Source: PROTOCOL ADDITIONAL TO THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS OF 12 AUGUST 1949, AND RELATING TO THE PROTECTION OF VICTIMS OF INTERNATIONAL ARMED CONFLICTS (PROTOCOL I), OF 8 JUNE 1977 (Page 258) www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.34_AP-I-EN.pdf
Yeah, i get this is your personal thoughts, but presage was dubbed one of the best missions by far. At the time it came out like someone said it was a total secrect we had nothing told to us about it at all you had to really be paying attention for that shit. Dmt was broken upon release, like busted. Pve it was the best scout at the time, it gave increased precison damage and reload speed. Shit hit like a truck. The errie feeling of a blacked out cabal ship that got twisted by the darkness was fucking amazing. I could play thag mission over n over my and my brother grinded the hell outta presage.
I mean while false surrendering is a war crime it’s also probably the 40th war crime my guardian has committed that day. I mean every time you shoot at a dreg who’s running away that is a war crime for shooting a fleeing enemy.
Complaining about the Guardian false surrending and committing war crimes lmao aint no way. Our guardian has been committing warcrimes since D1 vanilla
Presage is absolutely iconic, and imo deserves to be up there with starcrossed. While now it isn't the best mission just from a gameplay perspective, on release it was amazing. Presage was released as a complete secret, unlike wicked, which was highly eluded too. It was also really difficult on release, especially before subclass buffs like restoration and void overshield. And then DMT being ridiculous in both pvp and pve was just the cherry on top. I think a lot of destiny's magic is in community experiences, and the launch of presage was one of the best days in destiny.
*lever action (sorry) but yeah what i love about destiny especially alot of the exotic missions like presage is when it shows the more eldritch horror aspect of destiny. I mean the most dangerous creatures in the destiny universe literally drive people to insanity to whoever looks at them and even then they leave no mess, no trace or any thing except high levels of paracausal radiation
You have to remember that secret exotic missions in D1 were unfound by a majority of players for a while. It's nice to find a secret, but it just isn't sustainable to the rest of the community who doesn't even know it exists.
It's really sad that they haven't brought back zero hour or whisper. Oh also the hawkmoon mission. I thought it was coming back this season. As a wave frame lover I always forget about dead messenger. It's kinda funny, I was so pumped for it when it was released because we finally had an arc wave frame (sort of) and then 3 days later we got my dream weapon of forbearance. I mean I cried when I saw it was an arc wave frame with chain reaction and wasn't an exotic. Whenever forbearance gets nerfed I will probably main dead messenger. Undercurrent is cool but it doesn't really compete.
You committed no war crimes because as you stated it is a warcrimeif both the vanguard and the fallen had signed the gnevea convention. Cant apply real world politics and policies to fantasy wars between magic space wizards and alien bug pirates lol
Seraph station genuinely felt like a dungeon. It has the dungeon length, just missing an encounter (if that makes sense). I’m very emotionally attached to the DSC and all braytech stuff so I like to play the mission just to hang out in space sometimes, even though I crafted everything already during Seraph Also, small annoyance, I have no idea why you think that one war crime makes the vanguard as bad or even WORSE than house salvation? I’m autistic and can’t tell if you were joking. I’m pretty sure a war crime is understandable when the people you’re fighting are trying to destroy the last city on earth and let the witness delete reality
I agree with you about the redborders but thats because we are players that actually enjoy playing the game. If bungie guaranteed one redborder per completion most players would look up a cheese and farm all of them in one day and then complain to bungie that there is not enough content in the game.
Another thing is there was plenty of time to get those when the content was relevant. We never got 1 red border per completion of anything. Bungie has to have incentives for us hardcore players who play everything as it's released. It's not on Bungie to cater to ppl who didn't wanna play their activities for the months they were the focus. If someone waited until the last season of the year they can get like 12 a week from engrams and running 1 of each activity so there's really no excuse for ppl to not get them b4 they go away. If they're playing other games fine, but it's their own fault they didn't get them all.
A lot of people sleep on Wicked Implement, but those same people don't realize that this exotic STASIS scout rifle can counter both Unstoppable AND Overload champions. This gun can carry Lost Sectors, both Legend and Master.
Presage should be A tier it was super secret an so well hidden. Playing it blind was scary this haunted ship hearing shackles an growls seeing enemies mutilaed then hearing whispers of cayde then ads hit like freight trains an the boss omg boss hit so hard especially as a normal player. Now yes t lord go brrrrrr bur back then youd have to hide heal repeat an then legned was just terror
I agree with a lot of your comments and issues with these missions. I don’t know if I’d link the Geneva conventions to the world of Destiny though. If you haven’t played zero hour or then whisper exotic mission you really have missed out on the absolute best missions they released. Zero Hour is notorious for how good it was.
Starcrossed has the best story, great exotic and nice looking level design. Seraph shield on the other hand has that amazing, extraordinary first impression when you get to the station and see the Earth down below. I did the mission solo for the first time and I spent couple of minutes just sitting on a tiny beam outside the station and looking around admiring the space and the planet below. Amazing views. Last time I was so impressed was in D1 on Venus when I got to the top of the Vex construct among the clouds. I enjoy WR dungeon views too. Good times.
With the Starcrossed Cheese method, it is not needed if on regular difficulty, but the boss fight is incredibly stressful on legend so Im all for cheese
The wishper mission is one of the worst of all time, I did it after all the hype and it’s horrible, it’s boring, and slow especially after multiple runs, the new ones are way better, they’re all fun, more in-depth however operation seraph shield is the best
yeah i think they should make the exotic missions selectable but have the weekly missions have the guarantee red boarders, having to grind out the missions so many times only to have to wait three weeks to do it again kinda sucks, especially since you are only guaranteed three red boarders, one from legend and one two for the weekly run, this especially sucks if you have one weapon left to get and you have 4 red boarders to get, and that is not fun. making every mission give a red boarder per run is a bit overkill and would lead to having nothing to do much quicker, at most making the missions selectable and repayable is a better option for balance, maybe bump up the chance for a red boarder weapon to drop by a bit. as for a personal ranking, vox and avalon are my least favourite missions, pressage has a special place in my heart just because i really do love DMT, even if it isn't great in PVE, operation seraph shield is just awesome, it helps that the redone music from DSC was major bonus points, didn't have season of the deep so no wicked implement, but judging by the hassle, i didn't miss much, finally there's starcrossed which i liked, but my first time solo run was frustrating, specifically because of the amount of wyverns and the boss killing me through stupid means, but otherwise it was fine, maybe i need to replay the mission again to get a better opinion on it. overall i love the concept of the exotic mission rotator, giving players the chance to play through missions they missed because of one reason or another was a good call and giving players the ability to craft new versions of old exotic weapons is also a good call, especially if the new perks can make the weapon better than it was before or at the very least a more versatile for PVP and PVE, but i feel like it should have been an exotic mission playlist, also having a way to include more weapons from older seasons would be nice, since there's currently no way to get weapons from outside of the ones we currently have, maybe when they add the lightfall exotic missions they'll add the older season weapons or who know, maybe when they add the vaulted exotic missions they might add those.
I love the way you narrate the Lore of destiny, this video and the vaulted content video, I am finally interested in destiny's lore, after one year of playing it. (As a side note, I really loved lightfall's campaign because the story never made sense to me anyways and the gameplay was amazing for the campaign)
Well as far as the red borders go I feel like those ppl should have been there and gotten them when they were relevant like us hardcore players were. Bungie has got to have incentives for those that play all content as it comes out. There was plenty of time to get those weapons during the year they're available, with loads of free red borders given a week. If someone just waited until the last season of an expansion you can get like 12 borders a week just from engrams and running one of each activity. While I agree 1 border per run would be fine now, that's more than we ever got during said seasons so I'm not pushing too hard for that.
So you want there to be even more fomo and making the wall new players have to climb even larger? I'm not sure how it was back then matter to how it is now. It feels like you just want to gatekeep it
I’m glad you brought up the warcrime bit. My team laughs whenever I bring it up but it legitimately irks me, especially when I almost always roleplay as a goody two-shoes kinda character.
That's kind of hard considering the guardian we play as canonically is someone that would blow the crap out of a hive church, tear their priests to pieces, and then murder their gods and turn them into guns, then would dance on top of the mass grave we just made as we toss the god gun into our vaults. Remember that much of Hive culture is literally holy scripture for their species. So when we fight a lot of the hive we are literally raiding churches, killing their priests, and attacking their religion in its entirety with its gods. That's just an example but guardians are basically walking war crimes and lore wise as a group we are all a bunch of self obsessed and overpowered trolls willing to genocide entire species just to get a cool gun.
You just admitted you have no concept of what you actually do in the game despite claiming to be ”roleplay” a good person. You go out of your way to annihilate potential threats whether they provoke you or not. There was a whole campaign where you sought revenge for the death of a friend by killing thousands for the actions of one, you killed an entire bloodline and tore down their culture for the past ten years regardless of whether they changed allegiance or not, and even disobey your vanguard commanders to make contact with the enemy for profit whether it be weapons or powers. Your character despite what you may want to believe is not a “goody two-shoes” no matter how much you want to believe it
Very well done video. Excited for more. I personally would place Wicked Implement as the best exotic mission. Really love when there hidden and you have to figure it out. Plus the maze at the end was absolutely terrifying. The difficulty was perfect and you really had to earn it. I do understand where your coming from though.
Nah Wetstone isn’t a good mission at all. It’s artificially long because of the deep dive part and then the tormentor is just to tanky that you have to run Div.
You've never played Whisper or Zero Hour? These current activities(I refuse to put them in the same category) PALE in comparison to both Whisper and Zero Hour. Even Harbinger is better than what we get now, really similar to Presage, though it too is in a different category and more in line with the cookie cutter missions they give us today. The jumping puzzles in Whipser alone are better than the combination of all current missions. And the 20 minute tiner NEEDS to come back as it promotes urgency and mastery of the content while now the exotics are just handed out. Even the way Whisper was first started was amazing, a throw back to the D1 Spindle mission, where you had to wait for a special public event and kill a hidden enemy and go through a portal to get another shot. It made them feel special and an event the entire community was a part of.
Source: PROTOCOL ADDITIONAL TO THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS OF 12 AUGUST 1949, AND RELATING TO THE PROTECTION OF VICTIMS OF INTERNATIONAL ARMED CONFLICTS (PROTOCOL I), OF 8 JUNE 1977 (Page 258) www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.34_AP-I-EN.pdf
This cant be a serious take...
sadly i think it is@@Byster_0
Yeah, i get this is your personal thoughts, but presage was dubbed one of the best missions by far. At the time it came out like someone said it was a total secrect we had nothing told to us about it at all you had to really be paying attention for that shit. Dmt was broken upon release, like busted. Pve it was the best scout at the time, it gave increased precison damage and reload speed. Shit hit like a truck. The errie feeling of a blacked out cabal ship that got twisted by the darkness was fucking amazing. I could play thag mission over n over my and my brother grinded the hell outta presage.
You’re wayyyyyy too hung up over this shit man
I mean while false surrendering is a war crime it’s also probably the 40th war crime my guardian has committed that day. I mean every time you shoot at a dreg who’s running away that is a war crime for shooting a fleeing enemy.
Besides I doubt either the vanguard or house salvation have signed the Geneva convention (or even still know what it is) so it's fine
Can't have a Geneva Convention if the Witness wiped Geneva off the face of the Earth
Complaining about the Guardian false surrending and committing war crimes lmao aint no way. Our guardian has been committing warcrimes since D1 vanilla
And The cabal were goin to blow up The Sun on The red war If this is not a war crime How is that part one?
Especially considering it's a FICTIONAL universe where ALL OF HUMANITY is gone outside of the last city. Hilariously dumb argument
Presage is absolutely iconic, and imo deserves to be up there with starcrossed. While now it isn't the best mission just from a gameplay perspective, on release it was amazing. Presage was released as a complete secret, unlike wicked, which was highly eluded too. It was also really difficult on release, especially before subclass buffs like restoration and void overshield. And then DMT being ridiculous in both pvp and pve was just the cherry on top. I think a lot of destiny's magic is in community experiences, and the launch of presage was one of the best days in destiny.
Starcrossed isnt even good. It’s like Hawkmoon mission. Presage is great though.
To me its third place, its not bad but it is very repetitive. My favorite is seraph’s shield
The Whisper, Presage, and Zero Hour. In that order.
*lever action (sorry) but yeah what i love about destiny especially alot of the exotic missions like presage is when it shows the more eldritch horror aspect of destiny. I mean the most dangerous creatures in the destiny universe literally drive people to insanity to whoever looks at them and even then they leave no mess, no trace or any thing except high levels of paracausal radiation
Also its only a war crime....if you lose 😈
Looking for this comment lol, I when I heard Bolt action I was flabbergasted.
No hate towards the creator though brilliant video
FIRST IT SHIMMERED
THEN IT CRAWLED
THEN IT SCREAMED
wtf is the whole geneva convention thing for? it’s a video game about space magic lmao
in seraphs shield you pretend to surrender to the fallen but then get your weapons back in captivity and kill your captors
You have to remember that secret exotic missions in D1 were unfound by a majority of players for a while. It's nice to find a secret, but it just isn't sustainable to the rest of the community who doesn't even know it exists.
It's really sad that they haven't brought back zero hour or whisper. Oh also the hawkmoon mission. I thought it was coming back this season.
As a wave frame lover I always forget about dead messenger. It's kinda funny, I was so pumped for it when it was released because we finally had an arc wave frame (sort of) and then 3 days later we got my dream weapon of forbearance. I mean I cried when I saw it was an arc wave frame with chain reaction and wasn't an exotic. Whenever forbearance gets nerfed I will probably main dead messenger. Undercurrent is cool but it doesn't really compete.
To be fair, you can still get WOTW and Outbreak from the exotic kiosk.
@@thunderchief7256that's not the point. It's about how great the missions were.
How was I supposed to know?
@@thunderchief7256 I juymeant the missions for those exotics. I hope they get brought back soon.
@@x9x9x9x9x9 ok
you had me until you brought warcrimes into a space magic game
Dead man’s tale is a lever action NOT a bolt action
I agree with you on presage about the red borders I ran it no joke 150 plus times just to get hollow denial crafted
You committed no war crimes because as you stated it is a warcrimeif both the vanguard and the fallen had signed the gnevea convention. Cant apply real world politics and policies to fantasy wars between magic space wizards and alien bug pirates lol
Seraph station genuinely felt like a dungeon. It has the dungeon length, just missing an encounter (if that makes sense). I’m very emotionally attached to the DSC and all braytech stuff so I like to play the mission just to hang out in space sometimes, even though I crafted everything already during Seraph
Also, small annoyance, I have no idea why you think that one war crime makes the vanguard as bad or even WORSE than house salvation? I’m autistic and can’t tell if you were joking. I’m pretty sure a war crime is understandable when the people you’re fighting are trying to destroy the last city on earth and let the witness delete reality
I agree with you about the redborders but thats because we are players that actually enjoy playing the game. If bungie guaranteed one redborder per completion most players would look up a cheese and farm all of them in one day and then complain to bungie that there is not enough content in the game.
Another thing is there was plenty of time to get those when the content was relevant. We never got 1 red border per completion of anything. Bungie has to have incentives for us hardcore players who play everything as it's released. It's not on Bungie to cater to ppl who didn't wanna play their activities for the months they were the focus. If someone waited until the last season of the year they can get like 12 a week from engrams and running 1 of each activity so there's really no excuse for ppl to not get them b4 they go away. If they're playing other games fine, but it's their own fault they didn't get them all.
A lot of people sleep on Wicked Implement, but those same people don't realize that this exotic STASIS scout rifle can counter both Unstoppable AND Overload champions. This gun can carry Lost Sectors, both Legend and Master.
I love war crimes!
Presage should be A tier it was super secret an so well hidden. Playing it blind was scary this haunted ship hearing shackles an growls seeing enemies mutilaed then hearing whispers of cayde then ads hit like freight trains an the boss omg boss hit so hard especially as a normal player. Now yes t lord go brrrrrr bur back then youd have to hide heal repeat an then legned was just terror
I agree with a lot of your comments and issues with these missions. I don’t know if I’d link the Geneva conventions to the world of Destiny though. If you haven’t played zero hour or then whisper exotic mission you really have missed out on the absolute best missions they released. Zero Hour is notorious for how good it was.
Starcrossed has the best story, great exotic and nice looking level design. Seraph shield on the other hand has that amazing, extraordinary first impression when you get to the station and see the Earth down below. I did the mission solo for the first time and I spent couple of minutes just sitting on a tiny beam outside the station and looking around admiring the space and the planet below. Amazing views. Last time I was so impressed was in D1 on Venus when I got to the top of the Vex construct among the clouds. I enjoy WR dungeon views too. Good times.
I got to the part where you talked about the only viable Stasis build being Osmiomancy Warlock and I literally said, "Oh shit that me!" 😂
I mostly question the false surrender because it should not have worked, ain't no way THE Gaurdian would surrender to some rando Fallen.
With the Starcrossed Cheese method, it is not needed if on regular difficulty, but the boss fight is incredibly stressful on legend so Im all for cheese
I’m positive the Geneva Conventions no longer exist like most of humanities history in destiny. So its not a war crime
IMO if you didn’t play all the exotic missions your review is basic and incomplete
The wishper mission is one of the worst of all time, I did it after all the hype and it’s horrible, it’s boring, and slow especially after multiple runs, the new ones are way better, they’re all fun, more in-depth however operation seraph shield is the best
I think its wicked implement, it was the only one that stressed me out, and actually felt like an exotic mission
using the 4 round burst mode on revision zero makes the sniper mode charge a lot faster
Lol shit on by the minotaur in the beginning
The only reason I entered the video because I thought zero hour will be in it
Do you think shaxx would care about war crimes
Very good video you have a nice voice you should do audio books lol
The wicked implement mission is called whetstone
Shut up about the damn war crime
It’s lever action not bolt action
yeah i think they should make the exotic missions selectable but have the weekly missions have the guarantee red boarders, having to grind out the missions so many times only to have to wait three weeks to do it again kinda sucks, especially since you are only guaranteed three red boarders, one from legend and one two for the weekly run, this especially sucks if you have one weapon left to get and you have 4 red boarders to get, and that is not fun.
making every mission give a red boarder per run is a bit overkill and would lead to having nothing to do much quicker, at most making the missions selectable and repayable is a better option for balance, maybe bump up the chance for a red boarder weapon to drop by a bit.
as for a personal ranking, vox and avalon are my least favourite missions, pressage has a special place in my heart just because i really do love DMT, even if it isn't great in PVE, operation seraph shield is just awesome, it helps that the redone music from DSC was major bonus points, didn't have season of the deep so no wicked implement, but judging by the hassle, i didn't miss much, finally there's starcrossed which i liked, but my first time solo run was frustrating, specifically because of the amount of wyverns and the boss killing me through stupid means, but otherwise it was fine, maybe i need to replay the mission again to get a better opinion on it.
overall i love the concept of the exotic mission rotator, giving players the chance to play through missions they missed because of one reason or another was a good call and giving players the ability to craft new versions of old exotic weapons is also a good call, especially if the new perks can make the weapon better than it was before or at the very least a more versatile for PVP and PVE, but i feel like it should have been an exotic mission playlist, also having a way to include more weapons from older seasons would be nice, since there's currently no way to get weapons from outside of the ones we currently have, maybe when they add the lightfall exotic missions they'll add the older season weapons or who know, maybe when they add the vaulted exotic missions they might add those.
I love the way you narrate the Lore of destiny, this video and the vaulted content video, I am finally interested in destiny's lore, after one year of playing it.
(As a side note, I really loved lightfall's campaign because the story never made sense to me anyways and the gameplay was amazing for the campaign)
🤓
Well as far as the red borders go I feel like those ppl should have been there and gotten them when they were relevant like us hardcore players were. Bungie has got to have incentives for those that play all content as it comes out. There was plenty of time to get those weapons during the year they're available, with loads of free red borders given a week. If someone just waited until the last season of an expansion you can get like 12 borders a week just from engrams and running one of each activity. While I agree 1 border per run would be fine now, that's more than we ever got during said seasons so I'm not pushing too hard for that.
So you want there to be even more fomo and making the wall new players have to climb even larger?
I'm not sure how it was back then matter to how it is now. It feels like you just want to gatekeep it
Harbinger *cough* , *cough* the hawkmoon mission.
I’m glad you brought up the warcrime bit. My team laughs whenever I bring it up but it legitimately irks me, especially when I almost always roleplay as a goody two-shoes kinda character.
Keep that stuff separate from games as in most fps games, you commit war crimes. I don't understand why people have to get political 🙄
That's kind of hard considering the guardian we play as canonically is someone that would blow the crap out of a hive church, tear their priests to pieces, and then murder their gods and turn them into guns, then would dance on top of the mass grave we just made as we toss the god gun into our vaults. Remember that much of Hive culture is literally holy scripture for their species. So when we fight a lot of the hive we are literally raiding churches, killing their priests, and attacking their religion in its entirety with its gods. That's just an example but guardians are basically walking war crimes and lore wise as a group we are all a bunch of self obsessed and overpowered trolls willing to genocide entire species just to get a cool gun.
You just admitted you have no concept of what you actually do in the game despite claiming to be ”roleplay” a good person. You go out of your way to annihilate potential threats whether they provoke you or not. There was a whole campaign where you sought revenge for the death of a friend by killing thousands for the actions of one, you killed an entire bloodline and tore down their culture for the past ten years regardless of whether they changed allegiance or not, and even disobey your vanguard commanders to make contact with the enemy for profit whether it be weapons or powers. Your character despite what you may want to believe is not a “goody two-shoes” no matter how much you want to believe it
Very well done video. Excited for more. I personally would place Wicked Implement as the best exotic mission. Really love when there hidden and you have to figure it out. Plus the maze at the end was absolutely terrifying. The difficulty was perfect and you really had to earn it. I do understand where your coming from though.
Nah Wetstone isn’t a good mission at all. It’s artificially long because of the deep dive part and then the tormentor is just to tanky that you have to run Div.
You've never played Whisper or Zero Hour? These current activities(I refuse to put them in the same category) PALE in comparison to both Whisper and Zero Hour. Even Harbinger is better than what we get now, really similar to Presage, though it too is in a different category and more in line with the cookie cutter missions they give us today. The jumping puzzles in Whipser alone are better than the combination of all current missions. And the 20 minute tiner NEEDS to come back as it promotes urgency and mastery of the content while now the exotics are just handed out. Even the way Whisper was first started was amazing, a throw back to the D1 Spindle mission, where you had to wait for a special public event and kill a hidden enemy and go through a portal to get another shot. It made them feel special and an event the entire community was a part of.
NODE.OVRD.AVALON is so cruel and evil. I wonder why that missions creator hates the Players so much.