What Your Car Says About You - The Carmudgeon Show with Jason Cammisa & Derek Tam-Scott - Ep. 131
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- Опубликовано: 4 фев 2024
- Like it or not, we all form opinions about the drivers of car brands. In this episode, the Carmudgeons discuss how they perceive drivers of different cars.
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Your car is an avatar, and you're being judged on it. Jason and Derek laugh their way through their own offensiveness, giving honest reactions to how they consider drivers of different brands of cars. This is episode #1, covering Subaru at first, and then alphabetically going through the list of manufacturers from Acura to Jeep.
It includes stereotypes of:
Acura drivers,
Alfa Romeo drivers,
Aston Martin drivers,
Audi drivers,
Bentley drivers,
BMW drivers,
Buick drivers,
Cadillac drivers,
Chevrolet drivers,
Chrysler drivers,
Dodge drivers,
Ferrari drivers,
Fiat drivers,
Ford drivers,
Genesis drivers,
Honda drivers,
Hyundai drivers,
Infiniti drivers,
Jaguar drivers, and
Jeep drivers.
This might be the most curmudgeonly episode of the Carmudgeon Show yet, because it sure seems like Jason and Derek hate everyone else on the road. At least they hate everyone equally? 
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idea for a show. I would love to hear you to go through an alphabetical list of car manufacturers and choose the one model you would have in your garage for each one. See which ones are emotional connections that defy logic, fun, historical, which ones you agree on, etc. Should be worth a couple of episodes. Maybe selections by designers as well?
EDIT: Hmmm, maybe you can get it done soon, make a selection of 64 cars from the discussion, and tie it into the upcoming March Madness and put out a bracket pitting Jason's selection of picks from his list versus Hyphen's selections from his list and then have the fans pick and see who wins? Could be fun and garner some attention you guys, Hagerty, and the like...
Would be awesome. Although I know they would probably do one for each size class so they can spend a whole episode each on BMW and Mercedes 🤣
@@nicopaoletti3501 Not allowed. One car from one manufacturer. The interesting thing would be to see Hyphen's historical knowledge come into play. I thought for him we might need to introduce a Jay Leno rule where he, or even Jason, get to sub a couple of modern makers for older ones that are now defunct. For example, Derek might throw out Buick and replace it with a Hispano Suiza or something of that nature.
I'd be so excited to watch thisb
Next up, Alldays & Onions
Perhaps even including now defunct auto brands (that made cars through the 80s and 90s since Jason is fond of those years) like Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Plymouth, Saab, Eagle, Mercury, Saturn, and Scion.
Return to the curmudgeon roots. Two old men talking about how much they hate everyone and everything. Great stuff.
Derek using Victorian English to describe the term “fuckboy” made me laugh out loud in a very crowded office. You guys are proper entertainment.
That part was gold. Poor EE Jason. This episode is a gem.
I have 2 BMWs and a Mustang. I would say "deluded pedestrian killer" sums me up pretty well. You have earned my Like.
Last week there was a light rain round my way for the first time in quite a while.. there was also a Mustang partially in someone's front yard.. it had gone off the road at a regular old slow speed corner and somehow squeezed between a tree and a power pole and taken out the limestone wall. It seemes to have understeered rather than oversteered, which I considered something of an achievement
Two time Jaguar owner here. Brought my (new) XE because I liked it to drive more than the equivalent 3 Series (and it was a lot cheaper) and I was bored with BMW's having had four. That was in the UK. Moved to the US and brought a (used) F Type. Partly because I wanted to represent my home country and partly because it represented far better value than a Cayman. In my mind obviously I think the Jag gives me the avatar of an English rogue, when in reality I'm an accountant with a rapidly thinning hair line.
You’re definitely an English rogue using ‘brought’ in place of ‘bought’
I so secretly lust for F Type. They make me weak at the knees. Know many other cars are better but if I could I would to.
People projecting an image of themselves through a consumer good is the outcome of successful marketing.
What’s interesting to me is when people think they’re projecting a certain image but it’s widely being perceived differently by everyone else (eg. enormous lifted trucks to project masculinity, but everyone perceives it as insecurity).
Everyone knows a Miata is the car for real men. Or at least if we're overcompensating we're doing it wrong.
@@productdesign9626 That guy in the pink Miata is hung like a horse.
I have a Subaru Outback, and I understand that I am an outlier. I've chased motorcycles up Angeles Crest. I use the AWD for 4-wheel drifts. I go fast in the left lane, slow in the right, I pay attention to the traffic patterns around me. (It's worth noting here that mine is both completely stock, and has a manual transmission.) I've also road tripped it, driven in the snow (beautiful drifts), loaded up with bikes and/or dogs, gone camping, and gotten myself into and back out of trouble off road. I like to think that I actually use what my car can do.
The key word you used was "manual". I think this makes you exempt from the Carmudgeon Subaru stereotype 😉
Manual 08 Outback XT driver here, fully stock, and I support this message.
Derek about to get out of a car to scream at another driver about his hi-beams speaks to how much Jason has rubbed off on him LOL
This topic deserves more subcategories.
"Died 3 weeks ago and still coasting to a stop" omg...hahahaha
No one asked but in WA at least, all law enforcement Ford Explorers- including the unmarked cars used by detectives, have yellow front running lights whereas the consumer version uses traditional white LEDs. This applies to local LEOs and State Patrol as well. It's easiest to tell with 2020- model years which are the most common now. They all have no roof rails or roof rack, marked or unmarked.
15:29 The Engineering Expand's Jason with Derek saying "F-boys" got me so well that i'm still laughing while typing this comment 🤣
That roof rack tip is the best thing on RUclips. California Highway Patrol has taken at least several thousand of my hard-earned and this will stop them.
oh by the way this was the best show ever don't you dare cancel it!!!!
Owning a Corvette c5 in Europe is so fucking great!!! Rare, exotic looking, big american v8 manual transaxle and yellow sports car. Def in love of it ❤
thanks for the TourX call out
I see a red one by my house all the time, it's really sweet. maybe I just love wagons....
I own a 2011 Jaguar XJL Supercharged and a 2015 Aston Martin Vanquish. To answer your questions about both: because I love gorgeous cars that depreciate quickly but are deceptively reliable.
Depending on how long you've owned them, those have probably already depreciated a lot of the way to their respective lowest prices xD
That generation of XJ is by far the best looking of them all, one of the most beautiful sedans ever imo. You have my respect!
How long have you owned it and do you do any of your own maintenance?
Hearing Jason describe yeahmad as an Australian makes me happy
I'm a Subaru owner. I don't lag in the left lane, and I especially swear at other Subaru drivers (Especially new Forester drivers, Considering I drive an old school one.) When they're holding people up.
The big issue is that the front swaybars on Subarus are weak sauce = people driving so slow around corners…
Worse: they go 10-20mph slower around corners and then 10-20 mph too fast on straightaways…
They just cannot grasp the concept of choosing ONE speed and sticking with it on mountain or coastal drives
Finally- Subaru drivers love to go 35-40mph in 20-25mph zones….
Yet - as noted above- wimp out if any fun corners arrive
I put THOUSANDS into my wrx and it never handled even remotely close to my completely stock 370z…
A study came out recently about correlation between car make and # and type of tickets per registered car. RAM and Tesla had the highest number of tickets in general, but BMW averaged more than double of any other car brand for DUIs specifically. Hmmm...
Locally, It's not Subaru drivers. It's the Jeep drivers who think they own the road.
It's the godforsaken Tesla M3 or Y drivers up here in WA. Especially on the western side.
Coincidentally, your description of a Honda driver totally fits my story. Couldn't afford an ND MX-5 and after carefully weighing my cheaper options, a CR-Z made the most sense for a cheerful daily. Good torque, good fuel economy, handles nice in the two corners on my commute...quite rational imo
And we're back.... For now....
That group of Australians Jason’s talking about at around the 13 minute mark sounds like Yeah Mad TV. 🤙🏻🤙🏻
Audi: Always Understanding Driver Incompetence.😅
Always Understeering. Driving Incompetence.
I just call them Audiots and call it a day.
Exhibits Audisteer tendencies
44:20 for me the "always think its a cop" car is the 300c because in Australia (NSW Specifically) they use a lot of them as Highway Patrol cars. Practically nobody bought a 300c here so when you see one, like 75% of the time its a HWP
"There's a wall over there" "Oh" 😂😂😂
Ah yes, the boys being Carmudgeons. Lovely!
As Derek said, this was probably the most camudgeon show ever.😂😂 I think this can become a new segment on every episode. Like for example 5-10 minutes conversation like this about specific car( BMW e36; Mercedes w204 etc.)
i need to watch and enjoy this episode before it gets cancelled 😆
Just ran Barber Motorsports Park in the 24hrs of LeMons last weekend, and someone brought a white Rover SD 1! Made me think of the show and the story!
Some of these manufacturers don’t produce enough units to produce a large enough sample size to come up with a stereotypical driver/owner.
Curious how your opinions change based on performance models of car brands (not just the run of the mill stuff they sell.)
It's pretty funny having a 991.1 in a small mid-south east coast town. About half the time I go to the grocery store, someone is blown away by the fact I put groceries in the "frunk." They've never seen that before, and it blows their minds, lol. Then I go up to certain parts of DC, and it's the cheapest thing on the road, lol. Completely different worlds, only a 50 miles apart!
Why would you care about ‘being that guy’ or what ‘image’ your car gives off ? A whole generation of people didnt experience the Miata because it was a ‘chick car’ . Others people’s ideas and thoughts about you/ your car should have no bearing on how much you enjoy it
agreed. that's a complete bs reason not to drive something
I can’t believe Camisa made the “Is that a Buick” commercial come true. But I saw one in person the other day. And it’s true.
this was great and thanks for adding in pics of the cars 👍
This was great, looking forward to the next episode to finish the list!
New subscriber and first episode I’ve listened to. Found you after seeing Jason on Smoking Tire and the whole Cybertruck fiasco. Really appreciated how you handled that.
Also as a Jeep Wrangler driver in Fl thanks for taking it a little easy on us. 😂
I love the handling and performance of my Elantra N to not care about the front fascia ugliness. My previous car, a Focus ST was no runway queen.
This episode (and the random number generator ) is gold. Looking forward to part 2.
Speaking of joy, one of the most joyful drives I've ever had was in a Civic HX hatch with manual trans, manual steering, about 1900 pounds, and well under 100 HP. Big glassy view out, infinite feel through the tiny tires, and could drive 10/10. Would hoon again.
Jason: ❤ BRZ
Me: (buys one)
Jason: I hate Subaru drivers
Me: 😢
He may be referring to the people who buy the SUV's. Outback, Forester, Crosstreks... I own a First Gen Forester, and I hate the new Forester drivers since they always drive slow in the middle lane in the Seattle area.
@@rturner4205 I know, I probably made a bad attempt to joke. I live in Seattle area as well, hate drivers here, slow in first lane, blocking everyone, hitting brake on turns, it's not just Subaru drivers though, pretty much all brands, luxury brands being worse.
It doesn't help that we just give anything with a pulse a drivers license out here, especially when we have a lot of immigrants doing tech work and then buying a 50k+ Tesla to slap student driver stickers on, hoping it will excuse their bad driving skills. I purposely be a dick to those drivers since they constantly act like they're up their own ass.
@@rturner4205 😂, almost all are non-immigrant tech workers, so am I, I am just aware when driving than being in oblivion. I have seen people of pretty much every race going in first lane, many holding phones in one hand while talking on it.
@@ruturaj47and we wonder why our insurance rates are high and we keep getting called the worst drivers in the country.
Absolutely love this.
Great topic 👍
lol loved this episode. Was more mild than where I thought it as going, well thought out answers on manufactures.
Now this was a return to the OG shows...I am looking forward to next week's episode for sure
Love You Guys.. hey Cammisa.. your ChevySS video is still one of MY FAVS of all time
Thank u for keeping it real. Enjoyed it
This was the most Carmudgeonly episode in a while and it was glorious. If you were offended I don't think you belong here haha
Loved it!! 🤣🤣🤣 Can't wait for the next episode!!!
That was great, we need a part 2!
Don’t forget about the Infiniti J30. What a sight to behold when it first came out
There's gotta be a balance between caring what your car may say about you vs. prioritizing what you like and not worrying about what other folks might think. They don't have to drive it.
Alfa Romeo owner checking in: I had a great dealer experience. BMW on the other hand was f*cking awful. The Giulia's been bulletproof so far.
I'm a Jaguar F Type owner and Honda and Lexus. So I'm pretty pedestrian. I was sitting in an Aston dealership cogitating a DB11 when I said all I want is something that looks great and sounds great and the F Type popped into my head. So that's why this Jaguar owner decided on a F type. Did I mention it's still one of the most gorgeous cars on the road 8 year later. And the Honda and Lexus is there as the "intelligent" choices
Only part way through, so maybe you cover this. But, that's some of the appeal of vintage cars. Station wagons were boring Mom cars when I was a kid, but now they are cool 'longroofs'. A '79 WS6 Trans AM was a 'guido disco car' at the time -- cool, last of the breed car now. Saab 900 turbos were a professional's ride (tweet professors and archtechs) then but you need to be a pretty deep cut car person now to own one. So -- reputations change over time.
And by the mid 80's the T/A was replaced by the IROC-Z Camaro.
Loved the last ever show. Pretty spot on for most of the brands mentioned speaking for Australia and Japan
Happy Monday Guys!
Thank you for acknowledging the Honda/Tesla high beam issue. I thought I was the only one.
Here in a slightly ritzy town in Michigan. The I-Pace was very big when it first released, but they all left on flatbeds...
There are “Subaroo” drivers, and then there are those of us who insist on manual transmissions in station wagons that have AWD so naturally gravitate toward these vehicles. Especially once we realize it’s fun to take the whole thing apart and put it back together. Those of us who keep it stock, know we’ve got the EJ255 with the VF40 and have to check the banjo bolts instead of deleting them.
OMG that Mitsubishi Mirage handbrake 180 video is GOLDEN
I always listen to your podcast rather than watch, but the first time I do, I see a vr6 head gasket on the wall?? That's sick. I've got one on the wall at home too!
👀 i have all the other attached parts as well. 😂 Ok....sort of. There was a diet and it got louder.😅
@carstenschroder7054 lol I have a 2.8 VR block in the garage from said failed project. That cars existence ended by being run over by some humvees, and the block ripped out by said humvees with a couple chains (lots of hidden structural rust). Told myself one day I'll do something cool with that engine, but ( X ) doubt 😬🤣
Crazy to hear cammisa mention yeahmad that channel is pure gold
This is giving me Regular Car Reviews vibes.
RCR’s a million times better at dramatizing it though
Pickups are your Subaru’s in my region except they perfectly match speed with who’s beside them. Or when you try to pass they will be determined to be the fastest vehicle on the road. ‘I have V8 power’
However just bought my wife a Forrester after good experience getting BRZ. It is so comfortable & easy to drive it’s like Valium comes from vents.
So relaxing it took me longer to move back over. BTW drove Alfa Guila Ti (Veloce) had zero issues just battery/tire(s) replaced. Traded her in for BRZ mainly due to 3rd pedal & lightweight
“Jeep?”
“Trash?”
🤣🤣
Good god, I’ve not laughed this hard since the PET episode 😂 can’t wait for pt2!
In Houston, your typical Dodge Challenger or Charger driver is the guy who maxed out his budget, thinks he's Lewis Hamilton, and probably has recently graduated from Big Altima Energy. When you see one coming up behind you on the freeway, you should immediately assume he (although sometimes it is she) is going to pass to your left at the last possible moment without a signal, cut over 2 more lanes to the left, and then cut over all the way to the right for the next exit, narrowly avoiding flying through his windshield into the heavy duty truck nearly stopped on the ramp. A lowered truck with loud or no exhaust is going to help the officer make his quota and probably doesn't have insurance or even a valid license; when he hits you, he will sue you for injuries if you appear to have insurance and an income over 30K. The truck driver is proud of his driving abilities when he spins his truck with 3 patrol cars trailing him and wonders why the officers have him on the ground. (Literally actually something I've seen.) A young guy with an earring in a Corolla in morning traffic with dents thinks he is Max Verstappen and drives like it, and knows his 4 banger is twice the car you have, regardless of the badge on or age of your car; rest assured he is going to get to the next traffic jam before you. A Chrysler 300 needs to have fancy rims by law and almost certainly will be burning oil once it gets to 5 years; the driver is proud of his Bentley and talks to you incessantly about his engine as you notice the oil refinery smell.
I don’t understand those cars at all. They’re simply too heavy so any power they make is wasted once you hit a technical mountain road…
Here I am again crushing on Jason.
We have someone driving a buick regal wagon in the university parking lot, and it's so cool on so many levels. Sleek, practical, good looking, everything every other SUV in that parking lot isn't.
I once chose a Dodge Colt which is basically a Mirage. 😂
That Mitsubishi Mirage is the Space Star in other markets, isn't it? I know someone here in Germany that actually bought that thing brand new for like 15.000€+ and continued to put these 1980s door protector + reflector things on it :D Mitsubishi should send a medal to him as the most loyal customer or something.
I drive a Subaru, but it's a WRX STI. I believe that makes me a vaping, speeding, misbehaving, ne'er do well.
For the record, I don't vape.
Favorite episode ever 😂
This is the most constructive conversation on automobile industry.
Now this is the Carmudgeon show! I love the encyclopedic episodes but this element of hating everyone and still begrudgingly accepting some corner cases is the right balance.
Let’s go!
My daily is a 22 Bolt EUV
My fun car is a 1999 Mazda Miata NB1, 5 speed manual, LSD, and a hard dog roll bar.
99 NB is the best Miata.
@@yodaddamilkman8422 Thanks, I really like it!
Don't remember where I heard or read it, but supposedly the old Hondas with highbeams issue is actually that they put the wrong projector bulbs into their headlight housings so they spew bright light everywhere AND are impossible to see the road with since there is no focus... Don't quote me though since I don't remember the source
I find it interesting how much the image of certain cars differs between the UK and US. A regular Golf in the UK says literally nothing about you, positive or negative. A GTI might illicit a raised eyebrow of mild approval and a Golf R is either stolen, about to be stolen or being used in the process of unlawfully acquiring goods without payment
Derek you can own any version of a car! Derek: I'll have the slow Diesel one please!
The channel you are talking about with the Aussies is YeahMad. I love them as well. Also I may be slow but I don’t find the Elantra N nearly as revolting as you guys. I almost bought one, but I am still scared of their motors. I have a ticking Hyundai in my body shop once a week. So I went with a BRZ instead. Much better. Idk what a head gasket even is.
Re: Toyota Camry and similar: someone ( a journalist?) came up with the perfect description for cars like these- appliances. It's also a commentary on a vast number of drivers and how they view their cars- strictly as a means of transportation.
Clarkson from Top Gear called them white goods on wheels 😂
Not me living in Connecticut having never seen an Aston
Great episode! In Toronto the Toyota driver holds the crown and is always in your way! Most Subaru drivers in Canada are people who can't afford a good quality SUV (Prices continue to rise) and buy the Subaru's for there 4wd system. There also better on gas that the big SUV's. I have a Wrangler for daily driving and trips to the cottage. I like it because to me it's Classless.
😄 Good laughs!
We have 3 cars in our household.
18 Honda Odyssey
23 Tesla Model Y
14 Porsche Cayman S
I am not sure how these are perceived.
I think some brands are so large, it is hard to generalize. For example Ford Mustang vs Ford Escape are two different stereotypes IMO.
Best episode ever - even by human standards
Oh I’m excited for this one lol
Most of these were spot on and pretty much the same here in urban/suburban Texas.
Y'all know that the best selling vehicle line in the US is the wide variety of C/K trucks from GM right (and before you say F150, Ford includes 250 350 450 550..... in that number, so I am including Silverado and the GMC variant)... you say Chevy you you should be thinking truck.
Just came here to listen what they would say about Dodge and I am not disappointed 😂 39:42
10:18 The problem with this is that Hellcats are insanely expensive in the Netherlands. Firstly, they don't sell them here so you'd have to grey market import one. And second, we have vehicle purchase taxes based on emissions... I think that says enough :P
The cheapest Hellcat here is about €150,000 (US$160,000)
Was hoping for a roast of my fellow Camaro owners, but I suppose we have that covered in Jason's performances in other Hagerty videos.
Holy buckets, you spelled it correctly! I thought it was somehow obligatory that once you purchase a Camaro, you would then completely ignore all the places on the car that you see every day where the word Camaro is spelled out for you and instead spell it Camero.
Camero 4 sell super relible ran when parked no lo ballers i know what i got
For me... CRVs take first place (since no one seems to drive Suburas here). Nearly always in the left lane going slow, blocking traffic while pacing a semi in the right lane, they hate life, hate driving, completely checked out. On our typical travel for the holidays back to the IA from NC (2,000+ miles round trip) these things stand out beyond all other vehicles. When we see the left lane backed up the car at the front of the lane holding everyone up is 80% of the time a CRV.
I don't normally go 90 mph on the highway, but when I do it's because someone is left lane hogging for a long time and I don't want to miss my chance. So here I go, dropping my Miata into 2nd gear rev match we need too acceleration! Zoom, gear change! Going past!
As someone who lives in a snowy area. Subaru's are Golf in Germany equivalent. It's the boring smart choice.
Edit: and when you buy one the people around you will say "oh I was thinking about getting one... I bet they're pretty good in the snow huh?"
Honda High Beams: LED "upgrades" in the factory high beam sockets so the DRL that used to be a low-power high beam bulb is now a full power LED
53:55 HEY! I drive a Kia stinger and I love it
Just got to Jaguar-I've got tears running down my face! Gold, Jerry, Gold!
Jason, I watch every episode and drive a Kia Forte GT Manual! Frankly it's a fucking blast. I recall your IG post on this car and being remiss that you couldn't drive the stick-- if I lived in the CA section of the country (or you end up in NJ at some point by chance) I'd be happy to let you drive mine!
I know, I know-- it's just an offer you CAN'T refuse lmao