Like 90% of the sound track for atsv is love songs, how do people not see them getting together? (Anyone who hates gwen in the movies doesn't know what character development is)
@@AlexTheBest True, but it would still be the first time things work out for Spider-Man and Gwen Stacy specifically. There's tons of realities where things work out with MJ, Tobey and Peter B. for example, but Gwen always dies.
And most Gwen Stacy’s are not spiderwomen. Phil lord did say there will be multiple gwen Stacy in BTSV and one will redeem/change the relationship between Gwen and miles. Earth-8 gwen would be perfect to do that based on the history she has with him in his world.
@@Carlton17277I think that’s interesting because people are now saying that they don’t want to see E-8 in BTSV. Both Arguments are as followed E-8 in BTSV shouldn’t happen: It could be forced and they might try to force a relationship instead of it being raw and realistic. E-8 in BTSV should happen: It could show Gwen that a relationship with Miles is possible and get actual confirmation from other spider’s experience.
I honestly don’t understand the hate towards Gwen, it feels like the people who are hating on her watched a different movie for something. Like what’s this whole thing about Gwen becoming a backstabber and a liar to Miles come from? If they actually used they’re eyeballs and ears she does say at the start of the movie that she regrets hurting a friend aka being Miles and she wants to fix it by saving him that’s why she starts her own squad. The whole thing about her keeping the canon events and anomaly a secret to Miles is understandable. She loves and misses Miles like a lot, if she were to actually tell Miles soon as she sees him again he would’ve been heartbroken. Plus Miguel was watching (With the scene with Miguel using computers, with Gwen and Miles having a conversation at the party on one of the screens), and if she were to tell Miles, Miguel would’ve known, been pissed off, and kicked her out of the spider society, and homeless. And are we gonna act with the scenes with her and Miles bonding never existed? Gwen seeing his drawing, Gwen and Miles web slinging, Gwen and Mikes chatting in the upside down roof scene and party, it’s obvious they love each other. Gwen making that mistake by hurting Miles feelings is something she’s aware of and something she’ll fix. And isn’t the whole thing about being a spider hero struggling, making mistakes, yet at the end of the day figuring out a way to fix or accomplish something? Like the other Peter variants? What makes her so different? Also the people who are hyping up spider byte, saying she’s unironically a better love interest for Miles because to spite Gwen is crazy
THANK YOU 😭 this is all of my thoughts written down fr like you put it perfectly. I’m just guessing ppl watch these movies expecting perfect Disney princess characters since it’s animated. Yes the point of being a spider-person is making mistakes-and literally the first five minutes is Gwen being regretful 😭 the movie yells at them and they still misunderstand
The hate Gwen is getting not in warranted and I think it’s on purpose. The writer wrote it like this cause it’s a 2 part movie, so that the next movie Gwen can make it up to miles. But also she is a liar she said to miles that she couldn’t meet him cause she was busy then she said the spider society was small and that it’s all the top spiders that are in there when in fact it’s everyone. And ofc you’re supposed to dislike Gwen we are following miles so we can kinda feel his emotions and take onto ourselves as well. She can say she didn’t want to do this and that but actions always speak louder then words, but honestly I don’t blame her fully for her actions when she has a mentor like Miguel and Jessica that tells her to run away from her problems and then threatens her. So Gwen being hated on and dislike was on purpose cause she had band mentors so then at the end of the movie she saw that she needed to be her own kind of spider person and not just follow the others and so that Gwen could make it up to miles so that when they do their bond is even stronger
Another factor that people need to consider: Gwen accepted Miguel's "canon events" theory, which meant she believed Miles' dad had to die to keep Miles' universe from collapsing. (She believed this about her own Dad as well.) She also believed that Miles was (through no fault of his own) an anomaly that could possibly destabilize the entire Spider-verse. That the Spider Society was formed to repair the damage that Miles' "interference" in the canon caused. Based on those assumptions, everything she did was to *protect* Miles. To keep him, his mom, and his universe alive. How do you tell the person you love. "I'm sorry, but you weren't supposed to be Spider-Man. You got bit by a spider meant for someone else in another universe. So you can't leave here. Oh, and btw, your dad has to die or your universe will collapse." People need to understand, Gwen doesn't have any hope at the beginning of this movie. The reality that Miguel paints is very grim for all Spiders and those close to them. She thinks there is nothing she can do to truly protect the people she loves. That if she tries, then the entire universe will come crashing down on her and *everyone* dies. So yeah. She's going to tell Miles little white lies to spare his feelings from the horrible truth and at least keep him safe, even if that means she can't be with him. It's only when she has a moment of weakness and goes against orders to see him again that Miles begins to rekindle her hope that their fates might not be written in stone. That maybe there's a chance that in at least one universe, a Spidey/Gwen love story doesn't have to end in sorrow. And by the end of the movie, she sees what Miles can do, how good he is, how willing and able he is to fight for those he loves, how he truly embodies what it means to be Spider-Man... and hope finally breaks through. "Miles taught me that anything is possible. He loves you more than you can know. I've seen it." She's no longer just going to accept her fate. She's going to fight.
@@ulitmatedragonicgamer3525 So… if her being hated is on “purpose” then why are people acting like it’s a big surprise? why aren’t people like “eh don’t worry she will make up for it in the next movie” instead people are full on attacking her. I get what you’re trying to say that us the audience will sympathise and feel Miles’ emotions in the moment of the film and dislike the characters such as Miguel, Jess and Ig Gwen, but I don’t think that still justifies when people are frequently hating on the character without understanding them in the film
Those people are telling on themselves. It’s a very easy thing to do on the internet especially if one isn’t careful. What I mean is that a lot of times we see a reflection of ourselves or pieces of our own lives in the content and entertainment we consume and so those people’s disdain towards Gwen’s character and her choices in this movie is often a reflection of something an individual may have experienced in their own life. They are projecting. Someone cheated on them, broke their heart, a friend back stabbed them, a sibling betrayed them etc. and they are unable to deal with or process this in reality so they see the character making a mistake against someone who they attach to and project their own personal feelings towards the narrative of the story. Happens all the time I just feel sorry for those people.
I highly agree with the point of, it would extremely stupid for the writers to build up all of this chemistry and story between them to throw it away for them not to end up together
@@ashlynaldridge1296 ong, that wouldn't make sense because they've just met lmao and some people keep saying that "she's better than Gwen" like how come she's better when she only had a few screentime
@@saucybaka7453 I know she was on screen for like barely even five minutes and people our shipping the two the doesn’t make any sense just because they don’t like Gwen
Not gonna Lie Gwen sensing Miles twice while being in another dimension herself pretty much confirms that they are soulmates. If I am not wrong I read somewhere that Earth 8 is the future of Earth 1610 and Earth 65. So I feel like their universes might collide with each other.
that would lowkey make sense, esp since lord and miller said there will be multiple gwen’s in the next movie, one of whom will “change/redeem the relationship of gwen and miles”
It’s true I read an article. To me the one that is going to redeem the relationship between them is earth-8 Gwen and I think u know the history between her and miles. Or maybe some other Gwen. Rn we don’t know which will it be.
Also Gwens spider senses tells her to go to the school miles was in, this is why i suspect Miguel is lying. Because her spider sense told her to go to that specific school before miles was bitten by the spider. So Gwen's senses are already telling her to go to Miles knowing that he will be the next spider man for that universe.
Yes, but at the end he wasn’t supposed to be bitten because the spider said 42. I do think Gwen sensed miles because I think it’s because the day she sensed him, that was also the day the spider came to his world. Btw like the parallel of Gwen sensing him in his own world in the first movie and than sensing him from another universe in the second. Serious connection.
@@Carlton17277But even thinking that is giving Miguel too much credit. Who is he to be able to say what was supposed to happen or not ? Perhaps Peter dying in Miles's universe was supposed to happen. Perhaps Miles, the anomaly, is the exception to the rule that proves that rules can be broken.
Keep in mind that the events happened rather miles did anything or not, because he no idea kingpin was going to make a collider or that peter will die,he was just minding his business @shanouboubou
It's easy to overlook but go back to the original film. When they shake hands, he regrasps her hand and she subtly rubbed the top of his hand with her thumb locking eyes with him. His suggestion to be friends is because he is emotionally Intune with her feelings and is careful of that. Friends is just a safety net. They are wanting to be more than friends.
Oh and when they recreate that scene in ATSV they show us a new perspective when she dives into the collider to go home she has her lips puckered and her eyes closed. She literally wanted to kiss Miles by the end of the first movie.
THIS!!! He knew about her losing Peter, not “doing friends” since he died, and he’s very aware of her emotional state. He does after all say in the second movie that he’s emotionally mature and intelligent for his age. He most definitely wanted to take it slow using the friend thing and just have something to start off yet. It’s extremely obvious that those two weren’t thinking about being just friends. In Gwen’s intro in the second movie, she falls into the collider and is seen puckering her lips all the way. That’s literally seconds after miles asked her to be friends and she says “see you around spiderman” and they share an affectionate smile. Even before her puckering her lips, miles is seen watching her the whole time with an interesting smile. Its clear he was into her. And in the first film when she falls in, he sighs kind of, then looks to Peter. And it’s one of those sighs that people make when they’ve got the hots for someone, if I make any sense.
I love how encouraging Peter B. is of their relationship, like there's a lot of scenes where I feel like he ships them. When she first appears in the first film, he says "Oh you know each other...very cool..." sort of connecting the dots, he smiles in the bus seat behind him when he hears them talking and after their interaction where she tells Miles she likes his suit, Peter tells Miles "That was adorable, kid!". Peter and Uncle Aaron were pretty encouraging of Miles to get together with Gwen, and considering how much he looks up to both of them that doesn't seem far out for him to do so.
Great video, 2 thoughts: 1) They are both equally obsessed and just have different ways to show it. Miles is an artist, and Gwen knows this from the first film, so that she sees that she was a primary thing he drew probably makes her feel validated in how much she wanted to get back to see him. I mean, hello, the very next thing she does is make the move and ask him to go out with her (which was essentially a date, let's be real)! For Gwen, she's certainly more inward focused with her feelings, hence why we see miles on the train windows in the opener; it's compartmentalization for Gwen to hold him in. 2) So far as the touching, in anime it's pretty common to see love interest characters do this throughout the series, especially for the specific character driving the emotion at that time, so in this case Gwen would be the primary romantic protagonist. Hell, she drops the line about every other Gwen Stacy falling for spider man completely unprovoked.
Cool thing, I heard someone comment that her hair turns pink when she’s around ppl she loves or when she feels the emotion of love. Think about when she hugs her dad and is in Miles room, her hairs pink af
when miles told gwen that her hair got pinker, i thought it was just a joke line to show that miles needs to work on his rizz game, but then after rewatching the movie, you’re right. her hair really was pink af. it’s like her hair was blushing
I believe they will get together. But the biggest thing that needs to happen is that both need to understand one another. Yes, Gwen needs to apologize, get him home, and help save his father. She's already taking that leap of faith to fight and follow her own path. Miles needs to be able to let Gwen know how much she hurt him, but also let her know what he was willing to do to be with her again. It's clear he still loves her despite how hurt he is. I mean, Rio could see how much Gwen meant to him and that was just in one evening. For Gwen, she needs to be completely open with Miles about everything. Especially, with her feelings. She's kept so much bottled up for so long that it almost destroyed her. We know how much Miles means to her, and if she follows her heart and tells him how much she loves him and tells him how she doesn't want to lose him I'm sure he'll understand. Besides, the two of them feel whole whenever they're together and what they have is special. Honestly, that's something worth fighting for.
It’s painfully obvious that they’re into eachother. My favorite one is when she leans on his shoulder, since theyre upside down so she had to go against gravity to do it. If they don’t get together It’ll feel like huge queer baiting, even though they’re straight
@@PerseusJackson-ox8smshe’s not gonna die 🙄🙄. That’s so obvious. If you want even further confirmation, they’re doing a spider woman spin-off film involving Gwen and several other spider women
Hmm let's see... The thing is it was adorable seeing Miles develop a lil crush on Gwen in ITSV, even keeping that bus ticket from their ride home. Bu by jove, no one ever prepared me for the slowburn ride they got going on in ATSV i was holding for dear life seeing as how these two -being worlds apart- missing each other sm it hurts. I was crumbling to pieces when i saw Gwen convert their selfie on THE BUS to a polaroid. And she holds on to it like a national treasure. Yeah. Miles kept the bus ticket. While Gwen kept their selfie picture to have with her. Help. Gwen wasn't falling behind when it comes to Miles, this girlie was winning the poll when it comes to which of them had the bigger crush on the other. They got me on a chokehold from the first 25minute mark alone. Their development was well paced and wonderfully executed. The chemistry and mutual admiration they have for eo is undeniable. So I hope to god, the writers/directors PLS SONY don't bail on these two.
Mate great comment. Especially with the photo. I feel like that photo at the time is to feel his presence around her because that was the only thing she had close to him. I think as well it just gives her motivation to continue being Spider-Man for one day seeing miles again. In BTSV it’s just about how they write it. If it goes the way we all want it to go. Miles and Gwen will be the best CBM couple ever and cap of the greatest superhero trilogy of all time.
In some ways I think Miles is “Gwen’s Mary Jane.” Her true love and the person that helps her find balance after Peter died like how MJ did for Peter after Gwen died in the comics.
thats a fantastic analogy! "in every other universe, gwen stacy falls for spider-man..." but our gwen IS spider-man. so if we subscribe to the canon theory and believe that part of spider-man's canon is a first love's death and a second love's triumph, then her "gwen" is peter and her "mj" is miles. gwen is miles' first love though, but in his own words, hes gonna do his own thing!
I think that despite the difficulties of interdimensional relationships, Gwen and Miles will just say "Fuck it" and try anyway, especially after seeing their alternate selves in Earth 8. After all, nothing worthwhile comes easily.
Yes. They will get together. Gwen has huge HUGE feelings for Miles. Will do anything to get him back, it won’t be easy but the movie will end with them kissing. Your telling me after all of this build up? For it to not pay off no. It’s going to pay off
Men if they don't end up together i'll be crushed. That's probably the first pair of characters that i really hope they'll have relatshionship. They're "my" hiccup and Astrid
After this video, I don't understand the hate either. I guess everyone's got a little trauma, huh? 😂I love how _"Hummingbird"_ reminds me of both Gwen and Miles. It's like their secret love song that hints at them having romantic feelings for each other in the lyrics. "Would I sign up again?" A hint that Gwen would go back to Earth 1610 to meet up with Miles again, whether platonic or romantic there's feelings there. Lastly, I hope Gwen makes it up to Miles in Beyond the Spider-Verse. Why? I've read the "Sitting in a Tree" comics and I'd really appreciate a healthy superhero relationship that isn't screwed up by the writers. Peter B. Parker's finally happy with MJ and Mayday. So... Why not Gwen and Miles? You understand what I'm saying? Enough of the same cliche comic-book endings and something more original like what we're already getting in this Trilogy.
Yes I know what you're saying! I'd also love for a good healthy superhero relationship, and I think Gwen and Miles' would be amazing! Thanks for watching!
IMO because even in 2023 some people still don't understand how character development works - either you're a strong protagonist with no flaws or problems who's perfect throughout the story and always makes the right choices, or a villain who does the opposite.
@@HowlingWolf518 exactly! characters NEED development imo, and its frustrating how nobody seems to understand that. they begin to become boring if they stay "goody two shoes", same with just being downright evil
Miles and Gwen will definitely get together! It’s clearly obvious! Serpent, you seriously have a ton of potential my friend! I KNOW that your channel will grow! 😃
They're hating because they think Gwen is into Hobie which makes no sense and because Miles has obvious feelings for her they see her betrayal as worse when in reality it's a misunderstanding. Gwen only joined the spider society for 2 reasons one her dad couldn't stop being a cop and tried to arrest and shoot her and 2 for Miles she wanted to go see him
I think Gwen is in love with Miles they wear shoes in their costumes throughout the whole movie. she didn't know her Peter Parker too well he got himself killed taking the Lizard Serum caused by his own bully. Miles draws Gwen a lot in his notebook to remind himself how much he misses her daily. Gwen never wanted to hurt Mile's trust like that and close to crying so she will make it up to him. I believe their broken friendship will deepen the bond between the two how much Gwen loves Miles. Believe it or not Earth 42 Miles G Morales will play a major role in their romance.
Yes i agree and yes earth 42 miles would be quite aggressive on their romance plot considering how he was the one who should be spiderman and the original love interest for gwen stacy should have been him but let's hope he wont ruin their sweet relationship 😥
@@avalanche_dreams this brute version of Miles will in fact taunt Gwen and Peter B on the first half of the film because of the fallout trust me it will be a good thing for their relationship for one year Gwen neglected her own feelings for Miles because of her being so lonely and upset at her father's actions for the first time this will cause Gwen to heistate to fight Earth 42 Miles it might bring up a different perspective how the two are similar what would have happened if the role were reverse.
@namesalii Yeah, there is a good reason Miles was sent to Earth 42 to redeem his doppelganger and created one final suit to master his Venom power to maximum. Gwen and her team better be extremely careful to face Cartel.
@@lotorres2090 I do think u bring up some good points. But I don’t think he play a massive role just a minor in their romance. But I did like what u said about Peter and Gwen. I think that it will make Gwen and Peter be guilty to not have his back in ATSV and look on what would’ve happened if miles did not become Spider-Man and if it wasn’t for them to teach him to be Spider-Man, he would not be the person he is today. But I think miles helping his alternative self to become spider man in earth-42 will make Peter proud and happy because it’s going to make him look back on what it was like teaching miles to be Spider-Man. It will also help the relationship between Gwen and Miles because she will not believe how far he has become and grown in teaching to bring the best out of people.
@@Carlton17277 exactly and my point if the roles were reverse imagine the impact it would have made Gwen and Peter B feel even more guilty if they knew the bad choices when meeting O'Hara especially for Gwen when she encountered Miles G Morales that will be one of the major consequences of her own actions.
I felt a bit weird of them getting together but after reading the comics and watching the second part they really have such good chemistry and dynamic but people hating on Gwen is ridiculously dumb I do hope they get together
@@saucybaka7453 bruh, Margo and miles has one interaction with their spider sense going off when they bump into each other. But Gwen can sense him from another dimension like are people not understanding that this a love story between Gwen and miles. They are not going to have someone else come in that will be dumb.
It's incredible how people won't recognize character arcs in stories, then criticize characters for not learning a lesson they DO LEARN in the story. did they stop paying attention halfway through?
Rewatch the beginning drum scene with Gwen. It shows her jumping into the portal and going back home. It's very quick but notice what she does with her lips. Also, watch the scene where Peter B Parker is showing them pictures of baby MayDay. At one point they look at each other. I think the writers are intending them to end up together.
Facts like her imagining kissing him before falling in the collider and having them to almost kiss in ATSV just gives us more evidence that these two will get together. I’m glad I’m not the only one, but what if the reason why the writers made Peter B show the photos of mayday not only indicating they will end up together but also showing their future.
She literally said she likes him indirectly but basically says she’s scared because of what happens to all the other Gwen’s how fall for spider man At the end of the film, what does she learn things can change and what is the first thing she does mediately goes to miles bedroom looking for him and takes out one of the spider society people hunting him this woman is ready to go to F ing war for this man
I agree with you that Gwen and miles need to get together in beyond the spider verse and hopefully at the end of the movie see the future of marriage and kids
Tbh I don’t see us seeing them have kids in beyond but if they end up making a final one that would involve it but tbh I don’t think we will ever see them having kids and grew up.
@@solomonrohner1217 yeah perhaps could be a post credit scene? Wouldn’t cut away any part of the movie then and it would transition well into a 4th (if they made a 4th) or if not would also transition well into another spider verse universe movie they could make in the future separate from these 3 but still in the same theme
@@vinvyl957eah they will get together. But maybe they can do a short film of their future with their kids (or post-end credit scene) or babysitting mayday (which teaches them how to be parents in the future).
I feel like in the third movie, Gwen will have a similar enough discussion with Miles like she did with her dad, apologizing for closing off her feelings and not confronting what bothered her. We probably will indeed get a warm hug from the end of it, but if they do give that *little upside down kiss* then ILL TAKE IT!!! Hands down you can tell how much they care for each other (the Mumbattan madness shows this when Miles is caught under rubble and Gwen panics trying to find him) Pretty sure Miles and Spider Byte are just that flirty friendship you have every once and a while (yknow that one friend who rizzes you up n stuff) but Mkles and Gwen Def have a thing for each other.
and is everyone going to ignore the scene where theyre under the water tank and after she take the watch she goes "sorry i didnt mean to snap" as she brushes her hair away and they both move closer to each other like theyre going to kiss before Rio hops in and the camera moves back as so show us that something was going to happen before it was interrupted?
There’s also a little detail where Gwen is embarrassed when it sounds like Hobie and her were more than friends and tired to downplay it. And at first I kinda wanted them to make a sick evil twist where they realize one will have to leave behind a whole universe to commit and there’s a whole dilemma on who’s gonna do it and will they but that would go against “breaking the rules despite the odds so you can have your cake and eat it too”
Definitely! I think when Gwen tells Miles' mom that he was right, "all is possible", this is multi-layered for all the fears she had in the movie, including their conversation about them not "ending well" + Miles "anything can happen". It'd be strange for the writers to not lean onto what they very much so set up!
Awlawrd the slowburn was slowburning aaaa- They were teased together since itsv but yall I was not prepared for this much romantic tension. Pav was right abt them. I think he speaks for every ghostflower/gwiles shipper. Of course the more heavy/emotional scenes were also gutpunching. Anyways, I love how the story kinda went back and forth between Gwen and Miles without breaking the momentum of the plot. The mutual pining, the teasing, the jealousy subplot were ALL well paced and excellently executed. As soon as it's served it's purpose the main plot starts kicking again. We see how raw their feelings are for each other they just don't know what to do with it or can't help it. Which is a normal scenario in most teenage romances. It's cute and adorable if written well. And atsv did such an amazing job with this. Got me bad with it uummphf. So yes, I would like to see this 'tragic' love-story of theirs endure and overcome until they can be together. As far as I'm concerned, Gwen and Miles are soulmates and are lovers
Mate spot on. I like to think miles had a crush on Gwen and from the first time they met with Gwen developing feelings for miles. Minority of people are saying that they are going to end up being friends. But why would they do that if they ended things platonically in the first like honestly I thought the last conversation they had in the first was there friends, for now moment like in the comics. We see Gwen’s feelings grew in ATSV and so did Miles. But mostly Gwen. Her love for him was so obvious to see and the writers did a great job showing it. From beginning to end and showcasing the romantic moments and tension, them understanding their problems, having parallels which like miles said they are the same and the jealously subplot was excellently executed. What I really like is that Pav, Hobie, Jess, Peter and Mile’s parents know they both are in love but they don’t want to admit it which is quite annoying but makes sense because of the Gwen Stacy and Spider-Man relationship fate. Anyway, to the directors, producers and writers. JUST GET THEM TOGETHER.
@@Carlton17277 right? It's one thing to MISS SOMEONE and completely another to LONG FOR SOMEONE. And they was both for longing for each other sm:') It's not fair how things went downhill tho. I was suckerpunched with the goodbye scenes. What I like the most is how the writers knew exactly what they wanted to do with Gwen, and with who exactly they wanted her to side with at the end. Which is most definitely with Miles. She knew she messed up which is always the first step to redemption. And now she's gonna set things right. I don't know why ppl are so quick to condemn a character who showed flaws and is actually doing something to be better. It's actually what made her interesting in atsv. Don't worry abt the naysayers. There are a lot of ppl who are loving the set up between them so far, and I'm sure Sony execs are happy with them too seeing as how they kept advertising/hyping up Gwen and Miles' scenes. But yeah, i hope they don't pull the rug from under us for fun tho💀 [pls god no.jpg] ~wow i kinda rambled and this looks inarticulate lol but i already said this much so here u go^^
@@raeveii but here is the thing. Miles does not know why she joined in the spider society the first place and what happened between Gwen and her father at beginning . Doesn’t know that she was forbidden to see him and thought about him for a whole year and talked about him four months. Let me say this, a lot of people are not realising that when miles said goodbye to Gwen is not only showing he is hurt but it’s indicates that a part of him still loves her.
Miles literally said there's a first time for everything to Gwen on the tower top,miles was the dude that encouraged peter B. To go and sign up with MJ again, im turn giving birth to mayday. Miles is gonna change Gwen's so called canon for sure 💕
Gwen’s been through a lot and I think Miles would be a great guy for her. He’s pure at heart and only wants the best for himself and his friends/family. I also have a bias because she reminds me of an old girlfriend of mine lol. I just hope they do it in a way that’s satisfying and respectful to both characters
I hope that in the next movie Gwen and the team save miles/go help him get back to his universe, and miles realise Gwen does really care about him and maybe from that they will get together. I’m really excited for the next movie so hopefully we don’t have to wait to long but I guess it is what it is.
I think when Miles sees that Gwen has created a team to save him between new and old friends he will realize that she cares about him more than he imagined
The Spiderverse movies have basically been one giant middle finger to the Marvel Comics editorial board's obsession with the status quo vis a vis relationships. Fans want Peter Parker to grow up and be a dad; Marvel only lets that happen in alternatate universes for fear of making him "unrelatable". The Spiderverse movies not only make Spidey a dad, they confirm that he is in fact the Spidey of the Marvel comics universe. I think they will make Gwen and Miles a couple.
also did you not see Pavitar say new guy must be in love with youuuuuu that's miles he's talking about so i think thats a hint for the next movie maybe or maybe I'm wrong its just a theory guys thats the whole point of watching any movie you wanna watch until the movie franchise end its all a theory until it is stated
Yes no one can convince me they don’t like each other. It was amazing how their friendship even grew over itsp considering the bus scene between the two (Peter B was like I gotcha figured out😎) but even Peter B can tell there are times that he does in fact give faces of make small comments when he sees the two together. I am really crossing my fingers that we get a kiss in the next movie because honestly this is one of the most adorable chemistry I’ve ever scene. Also when Gwen was in Mile’s dimension she overheard Rio practically explain how Miles looks at Gwen❤️❤️. That was one of the things that I told my friend when I walked out of the theater, “We need MORE chemistry in the next movie.” I can also guarantee Miles or Gwen will NOT die in the next movie they will survive and the directors are not going to kill teenagers. Also considering half of the songs are practically about the two. If you remember in the beginning when she talks about Peter (the one that passed away) she says “But they didn’t really know me, and I didn’t really know HIM EITHER” those lines considering they were friends but they both didn’t know each other, but for Miles and Gwen it seems she knows a LOT more about him and he knows a lot more about her.❤️❤️❤️ My fingers are crossed that they will get together.❤️❤️❤️ Oh and if u don’t like Gwen and u think she’s a backstabber and a traitor than u suck and ur obviously not thinking straight 😡😡
Mate relax, but nah obviously I love these two together and they do share such a great romantic tension and share a deep connection. It start with miles crush on her and Gwen’s feelings developing for him throughout the first movie (platonic/crushes). In the ATSV it gives us that these two really do love each other and that they will do anything to see and be with each other. In BTSV, they are more likely going to kiss and end up being a couple because they almost kissed in ATSV and two of the directors did wanted them to kiss and be a couple in ITSV but one wanted them to have a slow burn romance. So it’s bound to happen.
"not going to kill teenagers" = Literally killed Miguel's daughter who was younger right in front of our eyes. Then in Insomniac Spider-Man: Miles Morales they killed a teenager that was Miles Bestie/Maybe more. Granted I don't think Gwen or Miles will die (well actually maybe one of the Miles's I'll give 60/40% chance)...I'm just saying they already have shown they're willing.
I know that miles is gonna end up with Gwen. He knew her for a while. I don’t know why people are saying miles will get with spider bite. It doesn’t really make any sense why he just met her one minute ago and that’s not really a developed relationship. That’s just an introduction. But within the third movie, there’s gonna be some rough scene sequences with Miles and Gwen arguing, and how he felt betrayed by her, but he will warm up to her once again, and Gwen will slowly gain his trust once more it’s not gonna be a smooth road but it will be a road that must be walked and can’t be avoided like you said she’s I’m going to have to face her fears head on I think one of those fears is losing miles as a friend forever and being hated by him and she’s going to have to cope and she will be ready to face that fear head on and I’m sorry I’m getting too deep into this anyhow I’m gonna leave you with this. S.S For those who tell you to give up keep on grinding, the path will get Rocky but you continue to fight for your goals success and happiness. Have a nice day. Stay safe and enjoy life.
I agree! I think one of Gwen's biggest fears is definitely losing Miles for good, but I can't wait for her to gain his trust back. Also thanks for the kind words at the end! I'll definitely keep on grinding! Have a nice day too and thanks for watching!
I think the dumbest ship of all time does not have to go to Miles and Penny. I think it actually has to go to spider byte and miles. It makes no sense and incredibly dumb . The only reason people ship them is because Black love or what not. And yes, I said it was a dump ship over Dekku and Bakugo and everything it is the dumbest thing because it makes absolutely zero sense and people go on a rampage about how it makes sense like no it doesn’t like the one for hours of how spider byte and miles would make sense but it just really really really doesn’t
I think it's a matter of how, rather than if they get together. I'm surprised that no one had made a video about this when I was looking for someone talking about this. She did mess up, but she's not a traitor, at least not one that did it under their own willingness, hence why she's determined to redeem herself to Miles going into BTSV. She was too zoned in with joining the Spider Society and being apart of a group that accepted her, but as she said at the end of ATSV, she realized the SS wasn't that group for her. I can't wait for this conclusion, already setting up to be one of the best trilogies of all time. You got yourself a new subscriber!
When Miles said, 'You Knew? So that's why you didn't visit' Did he mean, 'You knew about me being an Anomaly, and Miguel convinced you not to come.' Or did he mean, 'You knew that my Dad was going to die, and you were too scared to tell me.' I don't know which it is.
I think that it was a little bit of both, but mostly the first one. All of the secrets about Miles being an anomaly, and his father having to die had come out. However, when Miles found out his dad had to die, he kind-of questioned Gwen about her dad which makes it seem like he acknowledged she knew about his dad having to die. I assume Miles probably pieced that together with her not being surprised that Miles figured out his dad has to die, but rather a more “I’m sorry” look at him. On the train, that’s when the secret of him being an anomaly comes out and Gwen speaks about it. I think that’s what Miles was referring to when he said that they knew and never visited. It might have been a little bit about Jeff dying, but mostly about the anomaly in my opinion. You could also think of it from Gwen’s perspective. Pretend only one of the two secrets (Miles’ dad dying and him being an anomaly) were true. If Miles wasn’t an anomaly but his dad was going to die. If Gwen knew, she wouldn’t have any restrictions to visit him and I bet she would have told him about his dad dying. It wouldn’t cause as much harm to their friendship especially if she had just found out. (This is all hypothetical so she just found out and went to tell Miles in this scenario). Sure, Miles trying to save his dad would make an anomaly but that’s not the point. Now think about it if Miles was an anomaly but his dad didn’t have to die. First of all, Gwen would be restricted from going to his universe due to her connection to him. Also, Miles wouldn’t be able to change him being an anomaly so Gwen might think it would be pointless to tell him. She also knew it could damage her friendship with him. It would be so much easier for her to tell Miles his dad is going to die (so he could maybe try and save him) than telling him he is a mistake. That’s also why Miles didn’t have such a huge reaction to Gwen possibly knowing about his dad dying (as I stated before right before the chase scene).
@@enderrebel5525 My feeling is it's the first one too, because of the Canon meeting. And that Migel is the only one that knows about it before Miles says that spot is going to kill his dad at the meeting. I feel like the two day deadline is locked in only after spot gets his full powers, and that's when Lyla and Migel figure it out. It kinda doesn't make sense that anyone would really know about the exact timing before that point. They might know about it in broad strokes, maybe? Like, being a Captain is a death sentence, but not exactly that Miles dad is definitely going to die. (When Gwen meets Miles dad, she does a little happy salute and says Captain!, so that'd be too weird if she knew) Everyone looks down and apologetic when Miles realises, and that could mean that they are feeling guilty for not telling Miles, now he's starting to figure it out; but I think they are all just resigned to Canon events happening, and are already resigning themselves to letting someone die (again?), even though they didn't know about this particular one before.
I think people just exaggerate the small little detail about gwen that turn people into thinking gwen is betraying miles and hating on her. But because of that whole exaggeration make it harder to see the truth behind it. That why you don’t always judge a book by it’s cover
I'm just hoping with all the cells in my body that Spiderverse Gwen will be the first of many to break her namesake's curse and get the happy ending on the big screen with the one she loves.
Miles doesn't know what's going on in Gwen's universe and all the other reasoning for her to lie to him, so from his perspective she's a traitor but from Gwen's perspective we can tell why she would lie like that. In conclusion hating Gwen is like only viewing Miles point of view and not considering why Gwen might have done this.
Exactly, Miles doesn’t know that Gwen’s father pointing a gun at her and pushed her away from her world which was the only person she had left. Her begging to go see him but was forbidden, kept on thinking about him for a whole year and talking about him during her missions in the spider society.
7:05 I will be coming back to this video in almost 3 years also I agree with you on what you said I think that it will actually be rough though at first between miles and Gwen because Miles still probably feels betrayed, so it will be interesting to see if and how Miles and Gwen will get together
Obviously, they will end up together. It’s been building up till this point. But I like to think that throughout the whole movie that Gwen suppress her feelings for miles because of Gwen Stacy and Spider-Man relationship fate. I just realise Gwen never describe anyone else as her friend except miles throughout the whole movie which shows that not only she is deeply connected with him but also is a way of her saying that he is the only person she loves and considers him special in her life (just picked that up now).
Gwen and Miles are absolutely gonna get together, and I think the main piece of evidence is the scene where they're sitting upside down on the bell tower. "In every other universe, Gwen Stacy falls for Spider-Man. And in every other universe, it doesn't end well." Beyond the Spider-Verse is gonna be about how the "canon" isn't as set in stone as Miguel thinks, and that they aren't in "every other universe". We've already seen some of that with the scene between Gwen and her father at the end of this movie. By the end, I think Gwen and Miles getting together is going to be a major resolution to this idea, even if Miles isn't able to save his dad (which at this point I honestly have no idea if he will)
His dad isn't destined to die. Rio is. George could still die. The very existence of Earth 42 and Earth 1610B two years after a Double Broken Canon Event is direct proof Miguel was wrong about how they work. Gwen's dad scene is to make sure Gwen realized that and the audience had two examples instead of one.
@@angelchavez4245 The Canon of Ultimate Comics...Rio dies. The Parallel Reality is an Inversion...Aaron is alive, Jeff is dead, Rio is alive. Invert it back to Aaron is dead, Jeff is alive, Rio is marked for death. Specifically because she already know Miles is Spider-Man and also knows that Gwen is the love of Miles life. If Gwen is in danger Rio dies saving her, If Miles is in danger Rio dies trying to save him. Miguel's theory is wrong because he's applying the canon of the OG comics instead of the canon of Spider-Gwen's and Ultimate Comics. Which are vastly different canons...Just like 2099. Not to mention they've all broken the canon already...They're What If's those rules never actually applied.
As someone who's been shipping Miles × Gwen since Into The Spider-Verse, I see this as an absolute win! Also, in one of the comics _(I'm assuming the same one where they get married in Earth-8 __4:13__ )_ they have kids. So yeah.
I hope so! It would definitely inspire me cuz if these two people from different dimensions can get together, than i can get with someone in my own school 😅. Also they're just really cute together
the bond between Miles and Gwen is very strong and I'm sure it will be successfully overcome... they are meant to be together they love each other and love each other... Of course gwen made a mistake but all is not lost then Miles doesn't seem to me to be a guy who no longer forgives and bears a grudge ... I hope so .. I hope the writers end up putting them together with a kiss just like in the comics… Gwen doesn't want to lose another person who cares and loves after Peter and will be determined to make peace with Miles ... in the second part I cheer for Gwen as well as Miles
To be honest, I think the biggest moment they’ll get is them finally holding hands after the tease in ATSV. This stuff takes TIME. And I trust them not to use cliches.
I always find it humorous when people react to these fictional characters like they are real people. The actions of the characters were created by the writers to cause drama for them. The spider bite thing would make no sense from a story telling point of view. There is no established history to justify that type of relationship, other than the skin color.
That's precisely the reason why predominantly black female twitter and some racist Spiderman fans want Miles with Spider Byte instead of Gwen this pairing bothers a lot of racist people
@@bfvet117facts both racist and black twitter community cake together to hate on gwen x Miles it’s not surprising. Black men x white females get more heat than the other way around especially celebrities 😂
people who think gwen is a traitor are probs middle schoolers who have not experienced the complexities of the world yet. Issues like the ones gwen face are not black and white
Thank you they just want “black love” with Margo and miles but they’re so delusional like I really hope they don’t think they’re actually gonna end up together in the next movie because we all know damn well thatGwen and miles are going to end up a couple.
Honestly if they didn’t get together it would be such a waste of all the development and chemistry they had over the coarse of these two movies. Like you don’t just build a love story like this for it not to go anywhere, that would be bad writing. But thankfully these are great writers who know what they’re doing so I’m fully hopeful/certain they’ll get their happy ending and finally be together
I hope they do I like seeing them both together I mean ever since they were gone both of them thought of each other because Miles drew pictures of her in his notebook and Gwen had a picture of her and Miles together also I hope Miles will forgive Gwen for that mistake
I think it works if they stay friends or get together. Personally, I'm hoping they stay friends. But then again, I have a soft spot for Male - Female friendships in media, so I'm biased. I'll be happy either way tho, these two are good for each other.
I just came across your channel. I like the vibes and can tell you have a passion for films/ reviewing them. I’m honestly confused on why the hate was even made about Gwen. I totally agree with you on everything and i’m super excited about the next film!
It's easy to overlook but go back to the original film. When they shake hands, he grasps her hand and she subtly rubbed the top of his hand with her thumb locking eyes with him. His suggestion to be friends is because he is emotionally Intune with her feelings and is careful of that. Friends are just a safety net. They are wanting to be more than friends. The whole thing about her keeping the canon events and anomaly a secret to Miles is understandable. She loves and misses Miles a lot, if she were to actually tell Miles soon as she sees him again he would’ve been heartbroken. Plus Miguel was watching (With the scene with Miguel using computers, with Gwen and Miles having a conversation at the party on one of the screens), and if she were to tell Miles, Miguel would’ve known, been pissed off, and kicked her out of the spider society, and homeless. And are we gonna act with the scenes with her and Miles bonding never existed? Gwen sees his drawing, Gwen and Miles web-slinging, and Gwen and Mike chat in the upside-down roof scene and party, it’s obvious they love each other. Gwen making that mistake by hurting Miles's feelings is something she’s aware of and something she’ll fix. And isn’t the whole thing about being a spider hero struggling, making mistakes, yet at the end of the day figuring out a way to fix or accomplish something? Like the other Peter variants? What makes her so different? Also, the people who are hyping up spider byte, saying she’s unironically a better love interest for Miles because to spite Gwen is crazy I highly agree with the point of, it would be extremely stupid for the writers to build up all of this chemistry and story between them to throw it away for them not to end up together It’s painfully obvious that they’re into each other. My favorite one is when she leans on his shoulder, since they're upside down so she had to go against gravity to do it. If they don’t get together It’ll feel like huge queer baiting, even though they’re straight Yes. They will get together. Gwen has huge HUGE feelings for Miles. Will do anything to get him back, it won’t be easy but the movie will end with them kissing. You're telling me after all of this build-up? For it to not pay off no. It’s going to pay off It’s painfully obvious that they’re into each other. My favorite one is when she leans on his shoulder, since they're upside down so she had to go against gravity to do it. If they don’t get together It’ll feel like huge queer baiting, even though they’re straight After this video, I don't understand the hate either. I guess everyone's got a little trauma, huh? 😂I love how "Hummingbird" reminds me of both Gwen and Miles. It's like the secret love song that hints at them having romantic feelings for each other in the lyrics. "Would I sign up again?" This a hint that Gwen would go back to Earth 1610 to meet up with Miles again, whether platonic or romantic there are feelings there. Lastly, I hope Gwen makes it up to Miles in Beyond the Spider-Verse. Why? I've read the "Sitting in a Tree" comics and I'd really appreciate a healthy superhero relationship that isn't screwed up by the writers. Peter B. Parker's finally happy with MJ and Mayday. So... Why not Gwen and Miles? Do you understand what I'm saying? Enough of the same cliche comic-book endings and something more original like what we're already getting in this Trilogy. To be honest, I think the biggest moment they’ll get is them finally holding hands after the tease in ATSV. This stuff takes TIME. And I trust them not to use cliches.
Everything you said was on point, but the thing that pisses me off is this dumb spiderbyte and miles thing is so incredibly stupid like they’re obviously not gonna end up together lol
Captain Stacy reluctantly tries to stop Gwen out of a sense of duty….and Gwen tries to stop Miles out of a similar sense of duty. But the love is sincere in both scenarios
Dude, there is one more scene. When gwen is going in the train at the beginning you see miles face outside the train in a big size. Usually this kind of depiction is used to show somebody in love with someone and that they keep thinking about them
I’d add, based on what they know, Miguel‘s side isn’t evil, he’s willing to sacrifice a handful of lives for “the greater good.” Not until after Miles escapes does Gwen really begin to question Miguel’s theories on canon.
Also Heres my theory, the spiderman writers like playing it safe. and everybody wants this to happen, and you might say, well look at how they do the multiverse that's different. but they don't really take the plot out of hand, like some movies do. and also look at the spiderman movies. when the spiderpeople have conflicts it usually gets solved it the 3rd movie in the franchise just look at it. spiderman 3, far from home, and no way home basically sorty out all the conflicts, its just what happens and what people want, and to take it further, its basically already set up with all the hints and stuff, and spiderbyte didn't show any interest back so its a one sided, and I think its also just miles getting back at gwen for the whole hobie thing so yeah that's my theory.
Sorry for the weird cut off at the end! I had to mess with the audio because of the licensed music I used
It’s ok I found it funny
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@@rvmity_look who decided to show up 🤨 now that I have clout huh
I love totally legal footage 🗿
I honestly thought it was very funny
Like 90% of the sound track for atsv is love songs, how do people not see them getting together? (Anyone who hates gwen in the movies doesn't know what character development is)
Are they Hummingbird, Self-Love, Calling, and I guess All The Way Live? Idk if kind of has that chill but emotional beat to it
@@shanecorcoran2542 in what world is self-love and Calling not love songs?
@@arrowpaw1847 I knew those two were I was just curious if all the way live was
@@shanecorcoran2542 oh sorry, I didn't understand that phrasing very well. But no I wouldn't consider 'all the way live' a love song.
I agree
When Miles said “First Time for everything” Spider-Man will finally get the girl. Miles and Gwen will finally get together
Well in no way home, it was confirmed by Tobey that him and mary Jane eventually got together
@@AlexTheBest True, but it would still be the first time things work out for Spider-Man and Gwen Stacy specifically. There's tons of realities where things work out with MJ, Tobey and Peter B. for example, but Gwen always dies.
And most Gwen Stacy’s are not spiderwomen. Phil lord did say there will be multiple gwen Stacy in BTSV and one will redeem/change the relationship between Gwen and miles. Earth-8 gwen would be perfect to do that based on the history she has with him in his world.
This sentence kind of reminded me of Avengers Infinity War, where Dr. Strange shows with his finger, that this is the one time.
@@Carlton17277I think that’s interesting because people are now saying that they don’t want to see E-8 in BTSV.
Both Arguments are as followed
E-8 in BTSV shouldn’t happen: It could be forced and they might try to force a relationship instead of it being raw and realistic.
E-8 in BTSV should happen: It could show Gwen that a relationship with Miles is possible and get actual confirmation from other spider’s experience.
I honestly don’t understand the hate towards Gwen, it feels like the people who are hating on her watched a different movie for something. Like what’s this whole thing about Gwen becoming a backstabber and a liar to Miles come from? If they actually used they’re eyeballs and ears she does say at the start of the movie that she regrets hurting a friend aka being Miles and she wants to fix it by saving him that’s why she starts her own squad.
The whole thing about her keeping the canon events and anomaly a secret to Miles is understandable. She loves and misses Miles like a lot, if she were to actually tell Miles soon as she sees him again he would’ve been heartbroken. Plus Miguel was watching (With the scene with Miguel using computers, with Gwen and Miles having a conversation at the party on one of the screens), and if she were to tell Miles, Miguel would’ve known, been pissed off, and kicked her out of the spider society, and homeless.
And are we gonna act with the scenes with her and Miles bonding never existed? Gwen seeing his drawing, Gwen and Miles web slinging, Gwen and Mikes chatting in the upside down roof scene and party, it’s obvious they love each other. Gwen making that mistake by hurting Miles feelings is something she’s aware of and something she’ll fix. And isn’t the whole thing about being a spider hero struggling, making mistakes, yet at the end of the day figuring out a way to fix or accomplish something? Like the other Peter variants? What makes her so different?
Also the people who are hyping up spider byte, saying she’s unironically a better love interest for Miles because to spite Gwen is crazy
THANK YOU 😭 this is all of my thoughts written down fr like you put it perfectly. I’m just guessing ppl watch these movies expecting perfect Disney princess characters since it’s animated. Yes the point of being a spider-person is making mistakes-and literally the first five minutes is Gwen being regretful 😭 the movie yells at them and they still misunderstand
The hate Gwen is getting not in warranted and I think it’s on purpose. The writer wrote it like this cause it’s a 2 part movie, so that the next movie Gwen can make it up to miles.
But also she is a liar she said to miles that she couldn’t meet him cause she was busy then she said the spider society was small and that it’s all the top spiders that are in there when in fact it’s everyone. And ofc you’re supposed to dislike Gwen we are following miles so we can kinda feel his emotions and take onto ourselves as well. She can say she didn’t want to do this and that but actions always speak louder then words, but honestly I don’t blame her fully for her actions when she has a mentor like Miguel and Jessica that tells her to run away from her problems and then threatens her.
So Gwen being hated on and dislike was on purpose cause she had band mentors so then at the end of the movie she saw that she needed to be her own kind of spider person and not just follow the others and so that Gwen could make it up to miles so that when they do their bond is even stronger
Another factor that people need to consider:
Gwen accepted Miguel's "canon events" theory, which meant she believed Miles' dad had to die to keep Miles' universe from collapsing. (She believed this about her own Dad as well.)
She also believed that Miles was (through no fault of his own) an anomaly that could possibly destabilize the entire Spider-verse. That the Spider Society was formed to repair the damage that Miles' "interference" in the canon caused.
Based on those assumptions, everything she did was to *protect* Miles. To keep him, his mom, and his universe alive.
How do you tell the person you love. "I'm sorry, but you weren't supposed to be Spider-Man. You got bit by a spider meant for someone else in another universe. So you can't leave here. Oh, and btw, your dad has to die or your universe will collapse."
People need to understand, Gwen doesn't have any hope at the beginning of this movie.
The reality that Miguel paints is very grim for all Spiders and those close to them. She thinks there is nothing she can do to truly protect the people she loves. That if she tries, then the entire universe will come crashing down on her and *everyone* dies.
So yeah. She's going to tell Miles little white lies to spare his feelings from the horrible truth and at least keep him safe, even if that means she can't be with him.
It's only when she has a moment of weakness and goes against orders to see him again that Miles begins to rekindle her hope that their fates might not be written in stone. That maybe there's a chance that in at least one universe, a Spidey/Gwen love story doesn't have to end in sorrow.
And by the end of the movie, she sees what Miles can do, how good he is, how willing and able he is to fight for those he loves, how he truly embodies what it means to be Spider-Man... and hope finally breaks through.
"Miles taught me that anything is possible. He loves you more than you can know. I've seen it."
She's no longer just going to accept her fate. She's going to fight.
@@ulitmatedragonicgamer3525 So… if her being hated is on “purpose” then why are people acting like it’s a big surprise? why aren’t people like “eh don’t worry she will make up for it in the next movie” instead people are full on attacking her. I get what you’re trying to say that us the audience will sympathise and feel Miles’ emotions in the moment of the film and dislike the characters such as Miguel, Jess and Ig Gwen, but I don’t think that still justifies when people are frequently hating on the character without understanding them in the film
Those people are telling on themselves. It’s a very easy thing to do on the internet especially if one isn’t careful. What I mean is that a lot of times we see a reflection of ourselves or pieces of our own lives in the content and entertainment we consume and so those people’s disdain towards Gwen’s character and her choices in this movie is often a reflection of something an individual may have experienced in their own life. They are projecting. Someone cheated on them, broke their heart, a friend back stabbed them, a sibling betrayed them etc. and they are unable to deal with or process this in reality so they see the character making a mistake against someone who they attach to and project their own personal feelings towards the narrative of the story. Happens all the time I just feel sorry for those people.
I highly agree with the point of, it would extremely stupid for the writers to build up all of this chemistry and story between them to throw it away for them not to end up together
Thank you and delusional people still think Margo and miles we get together like no that makes no sense
@@ashlynaldridge1296 ong, that wouldn't make sense because they've just met lmao and some people keep saying that "she's better than Gwen" like how come she's better when she only had a few screentime
@@ashlynaldridge1296I still have no clue who margo is
@@saucybaka7453 I know she was on screen for like barely even five minutes and people our shipping the two the doesn’t make any sense just because they don’t like Gwen
Also, how would Margo x Miles physically work? She’s not even there.
Not gonna Lie Gwen sensing Miles twice while being in another dimension herself pretty much confirms that they are soulmates. If I am not wrong I read somewhere that Earth 8 is the future of Earth 1610 and Earth 65. So I feel like their universes might collide with each other.
She got the “go get your man sense”
that would lowkey make sense, esp since lord and miller said there will be multiple gwen’s in the next movie, one of whom will “change/redeem the relationship of gwen and miles”
@@SamuelLipperd-mu2sjwhere did he say this?
@@miles4291an interview with them a few weeks ago
It’s true I read an article. To me the one that is going to redeem the relationship between them is earth-8 Gwen and I think u know the history between her and miles.
Or maybe some other Gwen. Rn we don’t know which will it be.
Also Gwens spider senses tells her to go to the school miles was in, this is why i suspect Miguel is lying. Because her spider sense told her to go to that specific school before miles was bitten by the spider. So Gwen's senses are already telling her to go to Miles knowing that he will be the next spider man for that universe.
Yes, but at the end he wasn’t supposed to be bitten because the spider said 42. I do think Gwen sensed miles because I think it’s because the day she sensed him, that was also the day the spider came to his world.
Btw like the parallel of Gwen sensing him in his own world in the first movie and than sensing him from another universe in the second. Serious connection.
@@Carlton17277But even thinking that is giving Miguel too much credit. Who is he to be able to say what was supposed to happen or not ? Perhaps Peter dying in Miles's universe was supposed to happen. Perhaps Miles, the anomaly, is the exception to the rule that proves that rules can be broken.
Keep in mind that the events happened rather miles did anything or not, because he no idea kingpin was going to make a collider or that peter will die,he was just minding his business @shanouboubou
It's easy to overlook but go back to the original film. When they shake hands, he regrasps her hand and she subtly rubbed the top of his hand with her thumb locking eyes with him. His suggestion to be friends is because he is emotionally Intune with her feelings and is careful of that. Friends is just a safety net. They are wanting to be more than friends.
Omg I saw it!!! They are so cute together!!!
thx to you saw it after the 462th watch ... so many layer
Oh and when they recreate that scene in ATSV they show us a new perspective when she dives into the collider to go home she has her lips puckered and her eyes closed. She literally wanted to kiss Miles by the end of the first movie.
@@kingpinpasta2934 yes but to be fair it wouldn't work they didn't know about eachother enough for it to work in the first movie.
THIS!!! He knew about her losing Peter, not “doing friends” since he died, and he’s very aware of her emotional state. He does after all say in the second movie that he’s emotionally mature and intelligent for his age. He most definitely wanted to take it slow using the friend thing and just have something to start off yet.
It’s extremely obvious that those two weren’t thinking about being just friends. In Gwen’s intro in the second movie, she falls into the collider and is seen puckering her lips all the way. That’s literally seconds after miles asked her to be friends and she says “see you around spiderman” and they share an affectionate smile. Even before her puckering her lips, miles is seen watching her the whole time with an interesting smile. Its clear he was into her. And in the first film when she falls in, he sighs kind of, then looks to Peter. And it’s one of those sighs that people make when they’ve got the hots for someone, if I make any sense.
I love how encouraging Peter B. is of their relationship, like there's a lot of scenes where I feel like he ships them. When she first appears in the first film, he says "Oh you know each other...very cool..." sort of connecting the dots, he smiles in the bus seat behind him when he hears them talking and after their interaction where she tells Miles she likes his suit, Peter tells Miles "That was adorable, kid!". Peter and Uncle Aaron were pretty encouraging of Miles to get together with Gwen, and considering how much he looks up to both of them that doesn't seem far out for him to do so.
I would love if there is a short film of gwen and miles babysitting mayday and them teaching her how to use her powers. That will be the best.
Great video, 2 thoughts:
1) They are both equally obsessed and just have different ways to show it. Miles is an artist, and Gwen knows this from the first film, so that she sees that she was a primary thing he drew probably makes her feel validated in how much she wanted to get back to see him. I mean, hello, the very next thing she does is make the move and ask him to go out with her (which was essentially a date, let's be real)! For Gwen, she's certainly more inward focused with her feelings, hence why we see miles on the train windows in the opener; it's compartmentalization for Gwen to hold him in.
2) So far as the touching, in anime it's pretty common to see love interest characters do this throughout the series, especially for the specific character driving the emotion at that time, so in this case Gwen would be the primary romantic protagonist. Hell, she drops the line about every other Gwen Stacy falling for spider man completely unprovoked.
yeah when gwen mentioned that in every universe gwen falls for spider man, it became kinda obvious.
Cool thing, I heard someone comment that her hair turns pink when she’s around ppl she loves or when she feels the emotion of love. Think about when she hugs her dad and is in Miles room, her hairs pink af
That’s a really cool detail! I actually didn’t realize that lol
when miles told gwen that her hair got pinker, i thought it was just a joke line to show that miles needs to work on his rizz game, but then after rewatching the movie, you’re right. her hair really was pink af. it’s like her hair was blushing
I believe they will get together. But the biggest thing that needs to happen is that both need to understand one another. Yes, Gwen needs to apologize, get him home, and help save his father. She's already taking that leap of faith to fight and follow her own path.
Miles needs to be able to let Gwen know how much she hurt him, but also let her know what he was willing to do to be with her again. It's clear he still loves her despite how hurt he is. I mean, Rio could see how much Gwen meant to him and that was just in one evening.
For Gwen, she needs to be completely open with Miles about everything. Especially, with her feelings. She's kept so much bottled up for so long that it almost destroyed her. We know how much Miles means to her, and if she follows her heart and tells him how much she loves him and tells him how she doesn't want to lose him I'm sure he'll understand.
Besides, the two of them feel whole whenever they're together and what they have is special. Honestly, that's something worth fighting for.
*This.*
I agree but I wouldn’t call it love they just seem like teenagers that are into each other to me.
@@RealChrisPratt naw if u like really payed attention to especially gwen point of view there definitely in love
@@shellshockers4844 explain how pleas
@@RealChrisPrattbro just watch the movie
It’s painfully obvious that they’re into eachother. My favorite one is when she leans on his shoulder, since theyre upside down so she had to go against gravity to do it. If they don’t get together It’ll feel like huge queer baiting, even though they’re straight
gwen could die
@@PerseusJackson-ox8smshe’s not gonna die 🙄🙄. That’s so obvious. If you want even further confirmation, they’re doing a spider woman spin-off film involving Gwen and several other spider women
@@gammafrost i thought that was live action? is it animated
Spider baiting
@@gammafrost why the rolling eye emoji?
Hmm let's see... The thing is it was adorable seeing Miles develop a lil crush on Gwen in ITSV, even keeping that bus ticket from their ride home.
Bu by jove, no one ever prepared me for the slowburn ride they got going on in ATSV i was holding for dear life seeing as how these two -being worlds apart- missing each other sm it hurts. I was crumbling to pieces when i saw Gwen convert their selfie on THE BUS to a polaroid. And she holds on to it like a national treasure.
Yeah. Miles kept the bus ticket. While Gwen kept their selfie picture to have with her. Help.
Gwen wasn't falling behind when it comes to Miles, this girlie was winning the poll when it comes to which of them had the bigger crush on the other.
They got me on a chokehold from the first 25minute mark alone. Their development was well paced and wonderfully executed. The chemistry and mutual admiration they have for eo is undeniable.
So I hope to god, the writers/directors PLS SONY don't bail on these two.
such a beautifully written comment.
@@sapphiredragon7234it is!
Mate great comment. Especially with the photo. I feel like that photo at the time is to feel his presence around her because that was the only thing she had close to him. I think as well it just gives her motivation to continue being Spider-Man for one day seeing miles again.
In BTSV it’s just about how they write it. If it goes the way we all want it to go. Miles and Gwen will be the best CBM couple ever and cap of the greatest superhero trilogy of all time.
In some ways I think Miles is “Gwen’s Mary Jane.” Her true love and the person that helps her find balance after Peter died like how MJ did for Peter after Gwen died in the comics.
thats a fantastic analogy! "in every other universe, gwen stacy falls for spider-man..." but our gwen IS spider-man. so if we subscribe to the canon theory and believe that part of spider-man's canon is a first love's death and a second love's triumph, then her "gwen" is peter and her "mj" is miles.
gwen is miles' first love though, but in his own words, hes gonna do his own thing!
@@nyahcat1379So, does that mean Miles will fall for someone else, officially?
YES THANK YOU! I thought I was the only person who thought this!!
@@thalmoragent9344 only if his first love died :')
@@thalmoragent9344 since miles whole thing is defying predetermined destiny, i think he won't!
I think that despite the difficulties of interdimensional relationships, Gwen and Miles will just say "Fuck it" and try anyway, especially after seeing their alternate selves in Earth 8. After all, nothing worthwhile comes easily.
Exactly
The Earth 8 universe looked pretty cool in the comics.
Exactly!
What’s the bet the writers will make earth 1610 and 65 like earth 8. With them ending up a couple and show a short film of their future.
@@Carlton17277
1610 + 65 = 8? 🤔
In that case...
That might happen if Gwen and Miles...
👉👌
Yes. They will get together. Gwen has huge HUGE feelings for Miles. Will do anything to get him back, it won’t be easy but the movie will end with them kissing. Your telling me after all of this build up? For it to not pay off no. It’s going to pay off
I reckon they will do that because they already had two scenes of them almost kissing in ATSV.
People that unironically think Gwen is toxic, a traitor, a bad person, ect. Prob bullied Jack Gleason because he was good at his job
Men if they don't end up together i'll be crushed. That's probably the first pair of characters that i really hope they'll have relatshionship. They're "my" hiccup and Astrid
After this video, I don't understand the hate either. I guess everyone's got a little trauma, huh? 😂I love how _"Hummingbird"_ reminds me of both Gwen and Miles. It's like their secret love song that hints at them having romantic feelings for each other in the lyrics. "Would I sign up again?" A hint that Gwen would go back to Earth 1610 to meet up with Miles again, whether platonic or romantic there's feelings there.
Lastly, I hope Gwen makes it up to Miles in Beyond the Spider-Verse. Why? I've read the "Sitting in a Tree" comics and I'd really appreciate a healthy superhero relationship that isn't screwed up by the writers. Peter B. Parker's finally happy with MJ and Mayday. So... Why not Gwen and Miles? You understand what I'm saying? Enough of the same cliche comic-book endings and something more original like what we're already getting in this Trilogy.
if you read sitting in a tree, then you know how ass it was
Yes I know what you're saying! I'd also love for a good healthy superhero relationship, and I think Gwen and Miles' would be amazing! Thanks for watching!
IMO because even in 2023 some people still don't understand how character development works - either you're a strong protagonist with no flaws or problems who's perfect throughout the story and always makes the right choices, or a villain who does the opposite.
@@HowlingWolf518 exactly! characters NEED development imo, and its frustrating how nobody seems to understand that. they begin to become boring if they stay "goody two shoes", same with just being downright evil
The song “mona lisa” plays as soon as they start swinging. The opening line is “love is when you try to keep it out of your mind..”
If you look at Gwen’s hair, you can see that she kept the side that Miles ripped off short, which is such an adorable detail
Miles and Gwen will definitely get together! It’s clearly obvious! Serpent, you seriously have a ton of potential my friend! I KNOW that your channel will grow! 😃
Thank you! And yes I think it’s obvious they’ll get together too lol. Thanks for watching
They're hating because they think Gwen is into Hobie which makes no sense and because Miles has obvious feelings for her they see her betrayal as worse when in reality it's a misunderstanding. Gwen only joined the spider society for 2 reasons one her dad couldn't stop being a cop and tried to arrest and shoot her and 2 for Miles she wanted to go see him
This comment - the plain and simple facts.
And plus, Hobie is so obviously brotherly to her and the others.
I think Gwen is in love with Miles they wear shoes in their costumes throughout the whole movie.
she didn't know her Peter Parker too well he got himself killed taking the Lizard Serum caused by his own bully.
Miles draws Gwen a lot in his notebook to remind himself how much he misses her daily.
Gwen never wanted to hurt Mile's trust like that and close to crying so she will make it up to him.
I believe their broken friendship will deepen the bond between the two how much Gwen loves Miles.
Believe it or not Earth 42 Miles G Morales will play a major role in their romance.
Yes i agree and yes earth 42 miles would be quite aggressive on their romance plot considering how he was the one who should be spiderman and the original love interest for gwen stacy should have been him but let's hope he wont ruin their sweet relationship 😥
@@avalanche_dreams this brute version of Miles will in fact taunt Gwen and Peter B on the first half of the film because of the fallout trust me it will be a good thing for their relationship for one year Gwen neglected her own feelings for Miles because of her being so lonely and upset at her father's actions for the first time this will cause Gwen to heistate to fight Earth 42 Miles it might bring up a different perspective how the two are similar what would have happened if the role were reverse.
@namesalii Yeah, there is a good reason Miles was sent to Earth 42 to redeem his doppelganger and created one final suit to master his Venom power to maximum.
Gwen and her team better be extremely careful to face Cartel.
@@lotorres2090 I do think u bring up some good points. But I don’t think he play a massive role just a minor in their romance. But I did like what u said about Peter and Gwen. I think that it will make Gwen and Peter be guilty to not have his back in ATSV and look on what would’ve happened if miles did not become Spider-Man and if it wasn’t for them to teach him to be Spider-Man, he would not be the person he is today. But I think miles helping his alternative self to become spider man in earth-42 will make Peter proud and happy because it’s going to make him look back on what it was like teaching miles to be Spider-Man. It will also help the relationship between Gwen and Miles because she will not believe how far he has become and grown in teaching to bring the best out of people.
@@Carlton17277 exactly and my point if the roles were reverse imagine the impact it would have made Gwen and Peter B feel even more guilty if they knew the bad choices when meeting O'Hara especially for Gwen when she encountered Miles G Morales that will be one of the major consequences of her own actions.
I felt a bit weird of them getting together but after reading the comics and watching the second part they really have such good chemistry and dynamic but people hating on Gwen is ridiculously dumb I do hope they get together
BECAUSE SHE'S WHITE!!!
I'm white too, btw.
Yea comics is kinda terrible though like it’s so forced it’s weird as hell. Spiderverse is real deal
@@kjd-s5byou’re not wrong, twitter is especially against it
@@kjd-s5bfr tho, i see some people saying "miles and margo should get together because they're both black" i was like 💀
@@saucybaka7453 bruh, Margo and miles has one interaction with their spider sense going off when they bump into each other. But Gwen can sense him from another dimension like are people not understanding that this a love story between Gwen and miles. They are not going to have someone else come in that will be dumb.
It's incredible how people won't recognize character arcs in stories, then criticize characters for not learning a lesson they DO LEARN in the story. did they stop paying attention halfway through?
Exactly man, I don't get some people
Some people watch movies with their eyes closed i swear
@@bibimbap5917 first of all, what a shame, this movie is brilliant and amazing to look at, second of all, what about their ears? .-.
@@veronica3662 they close them
Rewatch the beginning drum scene with Gwen. It shows her jumping into the portal and going back home. It's very quick but notice what she does with her lips. Also, watch the scene where Peter B Parker is showing them pictures of baby MayDay. At one point they look at each other. I think the writers are intending them to end up together.
Facts like her imagining kissing him before falling in the collider and having them to almost kiss in ATSV just gives us more evidence that these two will get together. I’m glad I’m not the only one, but what if the reason why the writers made Peter B show the photos of mayday not only indicating they will end up together but also showing their future.
Honestly the idea of a spider-man and a spider-woman ending up together seems pretty exciting to me.😃
She literally said she likes him indirectly but basically says she’s scared because of what happens to all the other Gwen’s how fall for spider man
At the end of the film, what does she learn things can change and what is the first thing she does mediately goes to miles bedroom looking for him and takes out one of the spider society people hunting him this woman is ready to go to F ing war for this man
I agree with you that Gwen and miles need to get together in beyond the spider verse and hopefully at the end of the movie see the future of marriage and kids
Tbh I don’t see us seeing them have kids in beyond but if they end up making a final one that would involve it but tbh I don’t think we will ever see them having kids and grew up.
@adamboy0559 I know I’m just saying is it could happen just like in the comic book but it doesn’t happen it’s fine
@@solomonrohner1217 yeah perhaps could be a post credit scene? Wouldn’t cut away any part of the movie then and it would transition well into a 4th (if they made a 4th) or if not would also transition well into another spider verse universe movie they could make in the future separate from these 3 but still in the same theme
They’ll 100% get together BUTT I highly doubt we get to see their kids, it would be cool tho
@@vinvyl957eah they will get together. But maybe they can do a short film of their future with their kids (or post-end credit scene) or babysitting mayday (which teaches them how to be parents in the future).
I love that every charter in the spiderverse ships them
I feel like in the third movie, Gwen will have a similar enough discussion with Miles like she did with her dad, apologizing for closing off her feelings and not confronting what bothered her. We probably will indeed get a warm hug from the end of it, but if they do give that *little upside down kiss* then ILL TAKE IT!!! Hands down you can tell how much they care for each other (the Mumbattan madness shows this when Miles is caught under rubble and Gwen panics trying to find him)
Pretty sure Miles and Spider Byte are just that flirty friendship you have every once and a while (yknow that one friend who rizzes you up n stuff) but Mkles and Gwen Def have a thing for each other.
and is everyone going to ignore the scene where theyre under the water tank and after she take the watch she goes "sorry i didnt mean to snap" as she brushes her hair away and they both move closer to each other like theyre going to kiss before Rio hops in and the camera moves back as so show us that something was going to happen before it was interrupted?
I really wished that they were gonna kiss in that part🥲
There’s also a little detail where Gwen is embarrassed when it sounds like Hobie and her were more than friends and tired to downplay it. And at first I kinda wanted them to make a sick evil twist where they realize one will have to leave behind a whole universe to commit and there’s a whole dilemma on who’s gonna do it and will they but that would go against “breaking the rules despite the odds so you can have your cake and eat it too”
Definitely! I think when Gwen tells Miles' mom that he was right, "all is possible", this is multi-layered for all the fears she had in the movie, including their conversation about them not "ending well" + Miles "anything can happen". It'd be strange for the writers to not lean onto what they very much so set up!
Rewatching this for the nth time because I literally cannot stop thinking about how happy Gwen and Miles makes me
Same bro
I can see Miles&Gwen being a couple ❤
Awlawrd the slowburn was slowburning aaaa- They were teased together since itsv but yall I was not prepared for this much romantic tension. Pav was right abt them. I think he speaks for every ghostflower/gwiles shipper.
Of course the more heavy/emotional scenes were also gutpunching.
Anyways, I love how the story kinda went back and forth between Gwen and Miles without breaking the momentum of the plot. The mutual pining, the teasing, the jealousy subplot were ALL well paced and excellently executed. As soon as it's served it's purpose the main plot starts kicking again.
We see how raw their feelings are for each other they just don't know what to do with it or can't help it. Which is a normal scenario in most teenage romances. It's cute and adorable if written well. And atsv did such an amazing job with this. Got me bad with it uummphf.
So yes, I would like to see this 'tragic' love-story of theirs endure and overcome until they can be together.
As far as I'm concerned, Gwen and Miles are soulmates and are lovers
Mate spot on. I like to think miles had a crush on Gwen and from the first time they met
with Gwen developing feelings for miles.
Minority of people are saying that they are going to end up being friends. But why would they do that if they ended things platonically in the first like honestly I thought the last conversation they had in the first was there friends, for now moment like in the comics.
We see Gwen’s feelings grew in ATSV and so did Miles. But mostly Gwen. Her love for him was so obvious to see and the writers did a great job showing it. From beginning to end and showcasing the romantic moments and tension, them understanding their problems, having parallels which like miles said they are the same and the jealously subplot was excellently executed. What I really like is that Pav, Hobie, Jess, Peter and Mile’s parents know they both are in love but they don’t want to admit it which is quite annoying but makes sense because of the Gwen Stacy and Spider-Man relationship fate.
Anyway, to the directors, producers and writers. JUST GET THEM TOGETHER.
@@Carlton17277 right? It's one thing to MISS SOMEONE and completely another to LONG FOR SOMEONE. And they was both for longing for each other sm:')
It's not fair how things went downhill tho. I was suckerpunched with the goodbye scenes.
What I like the most is how the writers knew exactly what they wanted to do with Gwen, and with who exactly they wanted her to side with at the end. Which is most definitely with Miles. She knew she messed up which is always the first step to redemption. And now she's gonna set things right. I don't know why ppl are so quick to condemn a character who showed flaws and is actually doing something to be better. It's actually what made her interesting in atsv.
Don't worry abt the naysayers. There are a lot of ppl who are loving the set up between them so far, and I'm sure Sony execs are happy with them too seeing as how they kept advertising/hyping up Gwen and Miles' scenes. But yeah, i hope they don't pull the rug from under us for fun tho💀 [pls god no.jpg]
~wow i kinda rambled and this looks inarticulate lol but i already said this much so here u go^^
@@raeveii but here is the thing. Miles does not know why she joined in the spider society the first place and what happened between Gwen and her father at beginning . Doesn’t know that she was forbidden to see him and thought about him for a whole year and talked about him four months.
Let me say this, a lot of people are not realising that when miles said goodbye to Gwen is not only showing he is hurt but it’s indicates that a part of him still loves her.
Miles literally said there's a first time for everything to Gwen on the tower top,miles was the dude that encouraged peter B. To go and sign up with MJ again, im turn giving birth to mayday.
Miles is gonna change Gwen's so called canon for sure 💕
Gwen’s been through a lot and I think Miles would be a great guy for her. He’s pure at heart and only wants the best for himself and his friends/family. I also have a bias because she reminds me of an old girlfriend of mine lol. I just hope they do it in a way that’s satisfying and respectful to both characters
Yes! I definitely think they will hookup! P.S. I also think they will get married and have children like in the comics books.
I really hope they do end up together, I think their relationship is really good
I hope so to 🤞
I hope that in the next movie Gwen and the team save miles/go help him get back to his universe, and miles realise Gwen does really care about him and maybe from that they will get together. I’m really excited for the next movie so hopefully we don’t have to wait to long but I guess it is what it is.
I think when Miles sees that Gwen has created a team to save him between new and old friends he will realize that she cares about him more than he imagined
Miles and Gwen will definitely have some reconciliation in the third movie
If they don’t get together in the next movie I am going to be severely disappointed
I swear to GOD if they end the movie with them only hugging and whatnot, I'll be pissed.
The Spiderverse movies have basically been one giant middle finger to the Marvel Comics editorial board's obsession with the status quo vis a vis relationships. Fans want Peter Parker to grow up and be a dad; Marvel only lets that happen in alternatate universes for fear of making him "unrelatable". The Spiderverse movies not only make Spidey a dad, they confirm that he is in fact the Spidey of the Marvel comics universe. I think they will make Gwen and Miles a couple.
also did you not see Pavitar say new guy must be in love with youuuuuu that's miles he's talking about so i think thats a hint for the next movie maybe or maybe I'm wrong its just a theory guys thats the whole point of watching any movie you wanna watch until the movie franchise end its all a theory until it is stated
Will they, won't they! The tension is palpable! How can you two even concentrate!!!?!
I wanted miles and Gwen to get together because they make a perfect pair
Yes no one can convince me they don’t like each other. It was amazing how their friendship even grew over itsp considering the bus scene between the two (Peter B was like I gotcha figured out😎) but even Peter B can tell there are times that he does in fact give faces of make small comments when he sees the two together. I am really crossing my fingers that we get a kiss in the next movie because honestly this is one of the most adorable chemistry I’ve ever scene. Also when Gwen was in Mile’s dimension she overheard Rio practically explain how Miles looks at Gwen❤️❤️. That was one of the things that I told my friend when I walked out of the theater, “We need MORE chemistry in the next movie.”
I can also guarantee Miles or Gwen will NOT die in the next movie they will survive and the directors are not going to kill teenagers.
Also considering half of the songs are practically about the two. If you remember in the beginning when she talks about Peter (the one that passed away) she says “But they didn’t really know me, and I didn’t really know HIM EITHER” those lines considering they were friends but they both didn’t know each other, but for Miles and Gwen it seems she knows a LOT more about him and he knows a lot more about her.❤️❤️❤️
My fingers are crossed that they will get together.❤️❤️❤️
Oh and if u don’t like Gwen and u think she’s a backstabber and a traitor than u suck and ur obviously not thinking straight 😡😡
Mate relax, but nah obviously I love these two together and they do share such a great romantic tension and share a deep connection. It start with miles crush on her and Gwen’s feelings developing for him throughout the first movie (platonic/crushes).
In the ATSV it gives us that these two really do love each other and that they will do anything to see and be with each other.
In BTSV, they are more likely going to kiss and end up being a couple because they almost kissed in ATSV and two of the directors did wanted them to kiss and be a couple in ITSV but one wanted them to have a slow burn romance. So it’s bound to happen.
"not going to kill teenagers" = Literally killed Miguel's daughter who was younger right in front of our eyes. Then in Insomniac Spider-Man: Miles Morales they killed a teenager that was Miles Bestie/Maybe more. Granted I don't think Gwen or Miles will die (well actually maybe one of the Miles's I'll give 60/40% chance)...I'm just saying they already have shown they're willing.
I know that miles is gonna end up with Gwen. He knew her for a while. I don’t know why people are saying miles will get with spider bite. It doesn’t really make any sense why he just met her one minute ago and that’s not really a developed relationship. That’s just an introduction. But within the third movie, there’s gonna be some rough scene sequences with Miles and Gwen arguing, and how he felt betrayed by her, but he will warm up to her once again, and Gwen will slowly gain his trust once more it’s not gonna be a smooth road but it will be a road that must be walked and can’t be avoided like you said she’s I’m going to have to face her fears head on I think one of those fears is losing miles as a friend forever and being hated by him and she’s going to have to cope and she will be ready to face that fear head on and I’m sorry I’m getting too deep into this anyhow I’m gonna leave you with this. S.S For those who tell you to give up keep on grinding, the path will get Rocky but you continue to fight for your goals success and happiness. Have a nice day. Stay safe and enjoy life.
I can see gwen saving Miles in a near death moment in beyond TSV
If they get together this is likely how it's going to happen tbh.
Yeah, might be like you said. U less one of them dies.
I agree! I think one of Gwen's biggest fears is definitely losing Miles for good, but I can't wait for her to gain his trust back. Also thanks for the kind words at the end! I'll definitely keep on grinding! Have a nice day too and thanks for watching!
I think the dumbest ship of all time does not have to go to Miles and Penny. I think it actually has to go to spider byte and miles. It makes no sense and incredibly dumb . The only reason people ship them is because Black love or what not. And yes, I said it was a dump ship over Dekku and Bakugo and everything it is the dumbest thing because it makes absolutely zero sense and people go on a rampage about how it makes sense like no it doesn’t like the one for hours of how spider byte and miles would make sense but it just really really really doesn’t
when Gwen and miles are swinging the shadow on miles’ back has the shape of a heart,showing that he’s in love with gwen
I need them because I just want them to show that romance doesn't make a complex female character weak.
I never believed she would backstab him. She just has too much on her plate. Plus in the end Gwen is very loyal to her friends
I think it's a matter of how, rather than if they get together. I'm surprised that no one had made a video about this when I was looking for someone talking about this. She did mess up, but she's not a traitor, at least not one that did it under their own willingness, hence why she's determined to redeem herself to Miles going into BTSV. She was too zoned in with joining the Spider Society and being apart of a group that accepted her, but as she said at the end of ATSV, she realized the SS wasn't that group for her. I can't wait for this conclusion, already setting up to be one of the best trilogies of all time. You got yourself a new subscriber!
Yea I agree I've been wanting someone to theorize the how of them getting together.
5:30 best description that I've ever heard of how a great couple should feel when they're together, short but straight to the point
When Miles said, 'You Knew? So that's why you didn't visit'
Did he mean, 'You knew about me being an Anomaly, and Miguel convinced you not to come.'
Or did he mean, 'You knew that my Dad was going to die, and you were too scared to tell me.'
I don't know which it is.
I think the second one but maybe it’s both
I think that it was a little bit of both, but mostly the first one. All of the secrets about Miles being an anomaly, and his father having to die had come out. However, when Miles found out his dad had to die, he kind-of questioned Gwen about her dad which makes it seem like he acknowledged she knew about his dad having to die. I assume Miles probably pieced that together with her not being surprised that Miles figured out his dad has to die, but rather a more “I’m sorry” look at him. On the train, that’s when the secret of him being an anomaly comes out and Gwen speaks about it. I think that’s what Miles was referring to when he said that they knew and never visited. It might have been a little bit about Jeff dying, but mostly about the anomaly in my opinion.
You could also think of it from Gwen’s perspective. Pretend only one of the two secrets (Miles’ dad dying and him being an anomaly) were true. If Miles wasn’t an anomaly but his dad was going to die. If Gwen knew, she wouldn’t have any restrictions to visit him and I bet she would have told him about his dad dying. It wouldn’t cause as much harm to their friendship especially if she had just found out. (This is all hypothetical so she just found out and went to tell Miles in this scenario). Sure, Miles trying to save his dad would make an anomaly but that’s not the point. Now think about it if Miles was an anomaly but his dad didn’t have to die. First of all, Gwen would be restricted from going to his universe due to her connection to him. Also, Miles wouldn’t be able to change him being an anomaly so Gwen might think it would be pointless to tell him. She also knew it could damage her friendship with him. It would be so much easier for her to tell Miles his dad is going to die (so he could maybe try and save him) than telling him he is a mistake. That’s also why Miles didn’t have such a huge reaction to Gwen possibly knowing about his dad dying (as I stated before right before the chase scene).
@@enderrebel5525 My feeling is it's the first one too, because of the Canon meeting. And that Migel is the only one that knows about it before Miles says that spot is going to kill his dad at the meeting.
I feel like the two day deadline is locked in only after spot gets his full powers, and that's when Lyla and Migel figure it out. It kinda doesn't make sense that anyone would really know about the exact timing before that point.
They might know about it in broad strokes, maybe? Like, being a Captain is a death sentence, but not exactly that Miles dad is definitely going to die. (When Gwen meets Miles dad, she does a little happy salute and says Captain!, so that'd be too weird if she knew)
Everyone looks down and apologetic when Miles realises, and that could mean that they are feeling guilty for not telling Miles, now he's starting to figure it out; but I think they are all just resigned to Canon events happening, and are already resigning themselves to letting someone die (again?), even though they didn't know about this particular one before.
Love your movie insight! I also like when you explain movies or endings. That’s been very helpful 😊.
I think people just exaggerate the small little detail about gwen that turn people into thinking gwen is betraying miles and hating on her. But because of that whole exaggeration make it harder to see the truth behind it. That why you don’t always judge a book by it’s cover
and some people are just finding every reason to hate gwen without understanding her perspective lol
I'm just hoping with all the cells in my body that Spiderverse Gwen will be the first of many to break her namesake's curse and get the happy ending on the big screen with the one she loves.
Miles doesn't know what's going on in Gwen's universe and all the other reasoning for her to lie to him, so from his perspective she's a traitor but from Gwen's perspective we can tell why she would lie like that. In conclusion hating Gwen is like only viewing Miles point of view and not considering why Gwen might have done this.
Exactly, Miles doesn’t know that Gwen’s father pointing a gun at her and pushed her away from her world which was the only person she had left. Her begging to go see him but was forbidden, kept on thinking about him for a whole year and talking about him during her missions in the spider society.
If Gwen had told Miles how she got involved with society and what happened in her universe, maybe Miles would have understood why Gwen didn't hold him
7:05 I will be coming back to this video in almost 3 years also I agree with you on what you said I think that it will actually be rough though at first between miles and Gwen because Miles still probably feels betrayed, so it will be interesting to see if and how Miles and Gwen will get together
Obviously, they will end up together. It’s been building up till this point. But I like to think that throughout the whole movie that Gwen suppress her feelings for miles because of Gwen Stacy and Spider-Man relationship fate.
I just realise Gwen never describe anyone else as her friend except miles throughout the whole movie which shows that not only she is deeply connected with him but also is a way of her saying that he is the only person she loves and considers him special in her life (just picked that up now).
Gwen and Miles are absolutely gonna get together, and I think the main piece of evidence is the scene where they're sitting upside down on the bell tower.
"In every other universe, Gwen Stacy falls for Spider-Man. And in every other universe, it doesn't end well."
Beyond the Spider-Verse is gonna be about how the "canon" isn't as set in stone as Miguel thinks, and that they aren't in "every other universe". We've already seen some of that with the scene between Gwen and her father at the end of this movie. By the end, I think Gwen and Miles getting together is going to be a major resolution to this idea, even if Miles isn't able to save his dad (which at this point I honestly have no idea if he will)
His dad isn't destined to die. Rio is. George could still die. The very existence of Earth 42 and Earth 1610B two years after a Double Broken Canon Event is direct proof Miguel was wrong about how they work. Gwen's dad scene is to make sure Gwen realized that and the audience had two examples instead of one.
@@flamesofchaos13Why do people think Miles’s Mom is going to die? What led you to that conclusion?
@@angelchavez4245 The Canon of Ultimate Comics...Rio dies. The Parallel Reality is an Inversion...Aaron is alive, Jeff is dead, Rio is alive. Invert it back to Aaron is dead, Jeff is alive, Rio is marked for death. Specifically because she already know Miles is Spider-Man and also knows that Gwen is the love of Miles life. If Gwen is in danger Rio dies saving her, If Miles is in danger Rio dies trying to save him.
Miguel's theory is wrong because he's applying the canon of the OG comics instead of the canon of Spider-Gwen's and Ultimate Comics. Which are vastly different canons...Just like 2099. Not to mention they've all broken the canon already...They're What If's those rules never actually applied.
As someone who's been shipping Miles × Gwen since Into The Spider-Verse, I see this as an absolute win!
Also, in one of the comics _(I'm assuming the same one where they get married in Earth-8 __4:13__ )_ they have kids. So yeah.
Phil lord did say there will be multiple variants of Gwen and one will redeem her and miles relationship. Sounds to me earth-8 Gwen.
I hope so! It would definitely inspire me cuz if these two people from different dimensions can get together, than i can get with someone in my own school 😅. Also they're just really cute together
The fact that she wheres Miles’s hoodie when she’s looking for him is so cute
the bond between Miles and Gwen is very strong and I'm sure it will be successfully overcome...
they are meant to be together they love each other and love each other...
Of course gwen made a mistake but all is not lost then Miles doesn't seem to me to be a guy who no longer forgives and bears a grudge ... I hope so ..
I hope the writers end up putting them together with a kiss just like in the comics…
Gwen doesn't want to lose another person who cares and loves after Peter and will be determined to make peace with Miles ...
in the second part I cheer for Gwen as well as Miles
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I only like to see people get destroyed in the comments tbh lol
Gwen hugging her dad is easily one of the best scenes ever, love the colours and music, and the emotions 🥲
You missed a huge scene where she confess her love for miles. XDDD It's still out in movies so I understand why you missed it.
To be honest, I think the biggest moment they’ll get is them finally holding hands after the tease in ATSV. This stuff takes TIME. And I trust them not to use cliches.
I always find it humorous when people react to these fictional characters like they are real people. The actions of the characters were created by the writers to cause drama for them. The spider bite thing would make no sense from a story telling point of view. There is no established history to justify that type of relationship, other than the skin color.
Lmao what is this comment?
That's precisely the reason why predominantly black female twitter and some racist Spiderman fans want Miles with Spider Byte instead of Gwen this pairing bothers a lot of racist people
Spider-Byte*
@@SolooshinThey're talking about people agressively shipping Miles with Spider-Byte.
@@bfvet117facts both racist and black twitter community cake together to hate on gwen x Miles it’s not surprising. Black men x white females get more heat than the other way around especially celebrities 😂
Amazing video dude you explained their relationship so well
Even in into the spiderverse they were flirting with each other which was why Peter B was smirking at them
people who think gwen is a traitor are probs middle schoolers who have not experienced the complexities of the world yet. Issues like the ones gwen face are not black and white
Thank you they just want “black love” with Margo and miles but they’re so delusional like I really hope they don’t think they’re actually gonna end up together in the next movie because we all know damn well thatGwen and miles are going to end up a couple.
2:43 to 3:03 couldn't have said it any better myself
Honestly if they didn’t get together it would be such a waste of all the development and chemistry they had over the coarse of these two movies. Like you don’t just build a love story like this for it not to go anywhere, that would be bad writing. But thankfully these are great writers who know what they’re doing so I’m fully hopeful/certain they’ll get their happy ending and finally be together
Before miles mum and dad came in gwen and miles looked like they were gonna kiss from my eyes
I hope they do I like seeing them both together I mean ever since they were gone both of them thought of each other because Miles drew pictures of her in his notebook and Gwen had a picture of her and Miles together also I hope Miles will forgive Gwen for that mistake
3:22 bottom right Miles what are you lookin at??
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I think it works if they stay friends or get together. Personally, I'm hoping they stay friends. But then again, I have a soft spot for Male - Female friendships in media, so I'm biased. I'll be happy either way tho, these two are good for each other.
I just came across your channel. I like the vibes and can tell you have a passion for films/ reviewing them.
I’m honestly confused on why the hate was even made about Gwen. I totally agree with you on everything and i’m super excited about the next film!
If miles and gwen get together and say " I Love you " after a kiss in the next film, I can die peacefully...
It's easy to overlook but go back to the original film. When they shake hands, he grasps her hand and she subtly rubbed the top of his hand with her thumb locking eyes with him. His suggestion to be friends is because he is emotionally Intune with her feelings and is careful of that. Friends are just a safety net. They are wanting to be more than friends. The whole thing about her keeping the canon events and anomaly a secret to Miles is understandable. She loves and misses Miles a lot, if she were to actually tell Miles soon as she sees him again he would’ve been heartbroken. Plus Miguel was watching (With the scene with Miguel using computers, with Gwen and Miles having a conversation at the party on one of the screens), and if she were to tell Miles, Miguel would’ve known, been pissed off, and kicked her out of the spider society, and homeless.
And are we gonna act with the scenes with her and Miles bonding never existed? Gwen sees his drawing, Gwen and Miles web-slinging, and Gwen and Mike chat in the upside-down roof scene and party, it’s obvious they love each other. Gwen making that mistake by hurting Miles's feelings is something she’s aware of and something she’ll fix. And isn’t the whole thing about being a spider hero struggling, making mistakes, yet at the end of the day figuring out a way to fix or accomplish something? Like the other Peter variants? What makes her so different? Also, the people who are hyping up spider byte, saying she’s unironically a better love interest for Miles because to spite Gwen is crazy I highly agree with the point of, it would be extremely stupid for the writers to build up all of this chemistry and story between them to throw it away for them not to end up together It’s painfully obvious that they’re into each other. My favorite one is when she leans on his shoulder, since they're upside down so she had to go against gravity to do it. If they don’t get together It’ll feel like huge queer baiting, even though they’re straight Yes. They will get together. Gwen has huge HUGE feelings for Miles. Will do anything to get him back, it won’t be easy but the movie will end with them kissing. You're telling me after all of this build-up? For it to not pay off no. It’s going to pay off It’s painfully obvious that they’re into each other. My favorite one is when she leans on his shoulder, since they're upside down so she had to go against gravity to do it. If they don’t get together It’ll feel like huge queer baiting, even though they’re straight After this video, I don't understand the hate either. I guess everyone's got a little trauma, huh? 😂I love how "Hummingbird" reminds me of both Gwen and Miles. It's like the secret love song that hints at them having romantic feelings for each other in the lyrics. "Would I sign up again?" This a hint that Gwen would go back to Earth 1610 to meet up with Miles again, whether platonic or romantic there are feelings there. Lastly, I hope Gwen makes it up to Miles in Beyond the Spider-Verse. Why? I've read the "Sitting in a Tree" comics and I'd really appreciate a healthy superhero relationship that isn't screwed up by the writers. Peter B. Parker's finally happy with MJ and Mayday. So... Why not Gwen and Miles? Do you understand what I'm saying? Enough of the same cliche comic-book endings and something more original like what we're already getting in this Trilogy. To be honest, I think the biggest moment they’ll get is them finally holding hands after the tease in ATSV. This stuff takes TIME. And I trust them not to use cliches.
Everything you said was on point, but the thing that pisses me off is this dumb spiderbyte and miles thing is so incredibly stupid like they’re obviously not gonna end up together lol
@@ashlynaldridge1296 Miles 42 is a solo act and in need of love. He probably even prefers chocolate.
@@flamesofchaos13 yeah I ship them more.
You’ve taught me a lot with how Gwen grew in this film. Now I’m not as mad at her lol thanks for that.
Any denial that they're setting them up togethet must be willful.
Since they said Miles will only have this trilogy and no more content, I reallllly hope so...
Captain Stacy reluctantly tries to stop Gwen out of a sense of duty….and Gwen tries to stop Miles out of a similar sense of duty. But the love is sincere in both scenarios
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Dude, there is one more scene. When gwen is going in the train at the beginning you see miles face outside the train in a big size. Usually this kind of depiction is used to show somebody in love with someone and that they keep thinking about them
Yeah. He made it seem like the obsession is only on miles side.
Short Answer: Yes
If they dont have a upside down kiss im gonna be disappointed
I’d add, based on what they know, Miguel‘s side isn’t evil, he’s willing to sacrifice a handful of lives for “the greater good.”
Not until after Miles escapes does Gwen really begin to question Miguel’s theories on canon.
Also Heres my theory, the spiderman writers like playing it safe. and everybody wants this to happen, and you might say, well look at how they do the multiverse that's different. but they don't really take the plot out of hand, like some movies do. and also look at the spiderman movies. when the spiderpeople have conflicts it usually gets solved it the 3rd movie in the franchise just look at it. spiderman 3, far from home, and no way home basically sorty out all the conflicts, its just what happens and what people want, and to take it further, its basically already set up with all the hints and stuff, and spiderbyte didn't show any interest back so its a one sided, and I think its also just miles getting back at gwen for the whole hobie thing so yeah that's my theory.
If they don't get together, it would be kinda pointless in my opinion. Like, I thought they would hit it in Across tbh