Sorry, couldn't hear half of these quotes over the deafening sound of my HP bars reaching zero. Vanishing HP bars make a peculiar sound that's oddly similar to a combination of rage quits and spiked controllers.
Only thing worse than a debuff-based boss is a incapacitation-based boss that ALSO happens to be at the same time mainly specialized (don't know how it's possible) on Burst Dmg, DoT and high DPS
jins power is comparable to a chimera from the astral plane surely the blades are somewhat similar to the legion jena anderson on one side and Jin on the other, the troubled bad guy....
if you listen and think about the song, you can actually feel how sad jin is, because with every other boss battle theme you get an upbeat and kick-ass tune, but here you don't, here you get an (admittedly damn epic tune) but it never feels upbeat at all, just kind like you're wasting your time on an endless battle that will never change anything.
That's why it feels "out of place" (not that this is bad, in this case) and like its from another game or that the game suddenly became another. And that's what stroke me first on his boss battle. The music was totally different and the certainty of victory wasn't there anymore. This time stakes were real
You can even see the hurt in jin’s eyes. Even when i fought him i knew his new power was not born out of anything optimistic. It was born from the hurt in his heart.. poor bastard just wanted to be with the person he loved. But fate screwed him over... and now.. all he wants is to die.
Why play that when you've got the new Tiger! Tiger! remix? (Imagine it ends up being a really good remix and we're all sitting on it for no reason? That'd be hilarious, but I'd still miss Power of Jin)
1:32 You can hear the main theme of xenoblade 2 but in a minor key and descending. In xenoblade/Rex's theme it's major and ascending. I think that shows how both characters reacted differently to tragedy. Rex moved on and still forgave those who hurt him. Jin became bitter and hated all humans instead of just Amalthus like he should have. However, at the very end, he learned to accept the world and fight for good. And if you listen right at the end of the minor theme it raises up and goes major just for a brief bit. If this was intentional musical storytelling it's amazing.
If there's one thing Yasunori Mitsuda has always excelled at above most others is his capability for "intentional musical storytelling". He weaves the motif's from the themes perfectly together to create these dynamics. All the songs in the game that share the main theme (such as this, The World Tree, etc.) all adapt it perfectly to suit the contexts of each song.
@@NuiYabuko yeah, i think he hated the order of the world, which unfortunately the game doesn't really address. jin and malos HAD a point that the unchangeable rules of their world meant blades were reduced to tools and could never grow out of this. jin didn't seem to really have any particular feelings about humanity one way or another (which also meant he didn't care to stop malos' plan of killing them all)
Something I just realized is the reasoning for Jin to be an ice type blade. In science, cold doesn’t really exist as a thing; it’s just the absence of warmth. Meanwhile, Jin lives a life of nihilism and misery, believing that humanity is incapable of change and blades are forever doomed to serve as their tools of bloodshed. Jin’s power is the power of emptiness.
@@joonashanninen8919 the entire xeno series starting all the way back with xenogears is drenched in a blend of German philosophy, psychology and Gnosticism, Jung is just one part of that whole.
Not only that, but when a collection of identical atoms approaches absolute zero, they become entangled as a single wave function, as if they were one particle across the entirety of the space they occupy. We call that a Bose-Einstein Condensate. The reason Jin can do all that crazy particle acceleration crap in his powered form is because as a Blade, he represents that aspect of the cold.
I love Jin a lot as a character. He's goes through a lot of character development from Torna to Xenoblade 2. His last fight is hard but fun with amazing music. It's sad when he dies. He truly was, a splendid soul.
@@nutrifacts_1234 first time playing whose this weird guy in the mask he's kinda cool looking after main game: my favorite character after torna: best girl lora and best boy jin fuck amalthis
AtrociousAmbition Strongest Blade in Torna, Torna has strongest blades, Powerful bond with Driver, Flesh Eater bond with driver, All of that comes together to make the strongest sole blade in the game.
Most of these stupid Jin fights were scripted and I hate those types of battles I can only recall like two times when you actually had to beat him. I’ll never forget the scene with the whole gang and him and Malos End of chapter 6 I think where Pyra forfeited her ownership pretty much to Rex and went with the baddies The part where Jin was all like”but your just a fool” “a pathetic useless…fool!” And then turns and scoffs in disgust at the sight of Rex. Jin is THAT GUY
I have a bit of a theory regarding Jin: in chapter 5 after he kills Haze (damn him for that) he tries to activate his true power, but his core starts acting up just as he was about to attack the party. Now, Jin is shown to be a pretty analytical Blade, so to make a miscalculation like that doesn’t seem like him. Which is why I don’t think it was a miscalculation. I think…it was Lora. I think she stopped him from just killing the party outright. In addition, in the final room before the elevator to the Orbital Ring, Jin said he was told to wait. We see a brief shot of Lora looking at him, saddened. It cuts back to Jin and Malos and we see Lora is gone, indicating she wasn’t really there. I think she knew what Jin needed to redeem himself, and Rex had what Jin needed to hear. Her heart was fused with Jin, and Mythra even says “Lora…she’s in there, isn’t she?” It wasn’t just her heart fused with him, bits of her consciousness did as well. Of course, it’s just a theory. There’s a few holes in it, I won’t deny that. Tell me you guys’ opinions on the matter!
Even if none of her consciousness was transferred with her heart that was devoured by Jin. I think he still knows how she'd react and maybe he even sees personality traits in Rex that reminded him of Lora. He killed Haze not out of cold blood but out of emphaty. He wanted to free her from what Amalthus made of her. He probably couldn't get over seeing such a familiar face that is just an empty husk. At the end he wanted to see if humans are still what he remembers from his time with Lora during the events 500 years ago. Even at the beginning he didn't stab Rex in cold blood. He didn't want the young guy being wrapped in all the bullshit going on and killed him out of mercy (at least that was probably his thought process)
@@zangy3748 i 100% agree..he "killed" haze to free her from amalthus,, " you are no slave, be free now" haze even made a comment in torna how horrible it would be to "be a blade of that man". its was her own wish, he gave it to her.
That honestly sounds rock solid, and i like that theory! Never thought about that scene like that... 😮 I WOULD like to know about the "holes in your theory" that you mentioned existed, cause i can't think of any on my own. Right now, at least.
Even if he didn't literally have parts of Lora's consciousness, I'm sure the memories of his relationship with her and the remnants of her personality that rubbed off on him had the same effect. They were driver and blade after all, and "driver and blade are one in body and soul".
@@thebookwyrm235 he has an ability that takes away a bit of hp in exchange for increased power. He underestimated how low his hp actually was because he just fought you, while being suppressed by haze. "Why now?" Could've meant several different things.
"You know if we fight now, you'll-" "You see right through me, Mythra. But I made a promise. I'll do whatever it takes to fill his desire." "Even if it means your death?" "Gladly." "Jin."
Jin: You came. Rex: Jin! Pyra: Are you alone? Where's Malos? Jin: He... went ahead. Rex: Well then, what are you doing here? Jin: Waiting. For you. Rex: For us? Are you trying to stop us going after Malos? Jin: Perhaps... I want to see for myself. If this world has any will of its own... which one would it choose, you or Malos...? Mythra: Then... You should let us pass. Jin: That, I cannot do. Mythra: But why? In your condition, you should barely be able to stand! You know if we fight now you'll...! Jin: You see right through me Mythra... ...But I made a promise. I'll do whatever it takes to fulfill his desire. Mythra: Even if it means your death? Jin: Gladly. Mythra: Jin... *Transforms into true form* Zeke: It looks like we won't get past without a fight, chum. Rex: Seems so. We'll give it all we got! C'mon! Jin: As it should be. Come at me, boy!
Even the first time you hear this theme, you can sense that Jin’s motive just isn’t the same as Malos’s. You can feel the whole character throughout the song.
My mind every 3 seconds: Please don’t use Empty Moment... please don’t use Empty Moment... please don’t use empty moment... Jin: *EMPTY MOMENT* Me: *screams in agony*
Even as he is fighting you all Jin feels is despair and emptiness. the old Jin died long ago along with Lora. She was right the pain is unbearable like a heart being ripped in two nd sadly Jin did bear it all so he would never forget that wonderful person. I feel there is no love greater then those two in any video game.
@@awsumsas dude I hate him so much he is evil for no reason I usually like the villains because they have a reason like jin but no let's just hate everyone because why not like bruh
@@nsgbranden8343 Amalthus actually does have a reason for what he does. While it may not be the best course of action, he hates the world due to the amount of evil in it. He had a traumatic experience as a child, and that's what started it all.
The names of Jin's arts are just depressing when you account his time with Lora in Torna. A Moment of Eternity? E M P T Y M O M E N T. An art called Swallow's Flight? S T U N N E D S W A L L O W.
After learning about Jin's past before the battle and hearing this music while fighting him made me really sad. Then I stopped feeling sad after fighting him for the 52nd time getting hit with all the Empty Moments, Bladeless Blade, Zero Zone, Heavenly Disrupt, and Skyward Slash along with shackling my blades and tossing my ass in the air every 40 seconds and really starting to get pissed at him wanted to absolutely destroy him even more every time I died. Then the cutscene after that made me really cry
You can actually hear the main theme at 1:36 Something interesting tho, is how this part of the main theme is different from the original version. The main theme can almost be thought of as the theme for pyra and rex’s relationship. In the original version the tune is in a minor key, but it swells and starts low and rise upwards in pitch, in general it has a very hopeful feeling. The segment of the main theme in Jin’s theme starts high, and descends, and is overall foreboding and anguished. I think this is meant to draw parallels with how Jin and his relationship with Lora was very similar to Rex’s relationship with pyra. However, when tragedy befell Jin, he grew bitter, and resentful towards the world and closed his heart to others. Whereas Rex had his friends to help him when pyra was taken even when he was ready to give up. I think the music may reflect this duality between the characters
Also, to further your point, those specific set of notes were played in the ending song, One Last You, together with these lyrics: "Can I ask you, God? Despite all of this... Could the sandglass somehow take back the time? One last time is all I ask from you Can you please spare me some time with the one [wo]man I loved?" And considering the events of the tragedy that befell Jin and Lora, it is as if those lyrics are fully embodying Jin's inner desires and hopes with regards to Lora.
You can really hear the tragedy that Jin has gone through in this theme. Jin is my most favorite Xenoblade Chronicles 2 antagonist along with Malos and Mikhail.
MarioXenobladefan614 Those are the three great ones. My favorite characters list is: 10: Klaus 9: Mikhail 8: Vandham 7: Poppi 6: Rex 5: Pyra / Mythra 4: Zeke 3: Jin 2: Nia 1: Malos
I had diarrhea once in school, I went to the nearest bathroom but it was locked, so as I began to search for another bathroom this began to play in my head trying to have my own empty moment
This sounds like the song of a tortured soul who struggles with life and purpose, but finally finds his meaning (and maybe redemption) right near the end of the refrain when the horns play. When you play Torna and then XC2 and watch the character develope, I think its hard to deny how well this song fits Jin.
@@lemmyxpro Yeah man, no need to curse, I understand you. But what else can I say to your own comment then "No shit" as well! Yes of course it's Jin's theme and all, it's literally in the name, motif, and everything else. You don't need to go repeating the obvious you know! Especially if someone else (In this case, OP and ME) already did!! Lol. 😅💀
@@lemmyxpro That's what you thought though, it's not the truth. You should have asked me to clarify before jumping to conclusions, I'm afraid that was your mistake.
I grew to love Jin. I helped him and his driver grow back on Torna. They were almost too powerful. I didn't want to fight him, but I did share a common enemy with him. Knowing that, I do feel some solace knowing that I could bring revenge for him, after all these years.
Friendly reminder that when Jin was saying goodbye to Malos he said, “I’ll be watching over you. All of you.” What does watching over everyone imply? He knew he was going to die.
It seemed that without the chamber on there ship he wouldn't be able to recover because when ever he used his powers he would need to go in it and since it was destroyed he really didn't seem to have long left I think it was because he had loras heart that gave him these problems because that heart had been beating for over 500 years at this point
@@zaos7321 I'm not surprised by their similarities in design since they were both designed by Tetsuya Nomura, I always thought Patroka looked similar to Tifa aswell.
Jin may look like Sephiroth but I see him as the version of cloud strife that let his trauma take over him. Literally clouds girlfriend and hometown were destroyed and his best friend was killed while Jin lost a lot of friends and both had this traumatic screaming after all of it but Cloud ultimately overcame it whereas Jin let it take over him.
This theme really doesn't feel like a battle theme, it's sounds like a song straight from a ballet. A song you'd see a dramatic dance to. And when you consider that Jin, while having a lot of very Ninja-like attacks, also has some attacks that have him more slowly and somewhat dramatically, it gives you a better understanding of Jin's character if you didn't have it already. A tragic man forced to continue the show after it should have ended for him years ago.
Ambur Price Not me. Hugo was a subpar hybrid of the other ardainians, Morag and Niall. Lora wasn’t a very interesting character on her own, it was her dynamic with Jin that allowed me to keep playing as her. Addam and Mythra’s bond was nothing compared to Rex and Pyra, which is the point of chapter 7. The only improvements on characters were Seeing what Haze was like before Amalthus brainwashed her, and seeing what minoth was like in his prime.
Max Richards I mean, you can see why mythra/pyra locked herself away after the war, and the dynamics between addam and Hugo both being heroes of the people make for some decent (at the very least) character development
@@srex1177 Not that Rex and Pyra's relationship wasn't great. It certainly was. I just think Lora was more grounded. Although Mythra and Adam were my personal favorite team in Torna, story wise.
@@FunkyGhost37 usually they don’t make dlc characters into spirit fighters. Maybe they’ll make it Sephiroth if you have it and someone else if you don’t.
Vs. Sorrow (or now Words That Never Reached You) is a great track, and N's battle theme is one of the best. But i think where i stand now, Jin's is still the best. I'm happy my wish was granted though. Xenoblade always hits.
"But that man, he'd lost everything. He no longer wanted anything, he didn't even want to live anymore. And despite that, his life was the one thing he hadn't lost." "Because he couldn't!"
Jin was the same as Amalthus, filled with anger and selfish self-loathing, until he decided to give that all up to save the world. He decided to, in his last moments, live for others
I remember when I fought his true form the first time in Tantal I had Zeke in my party instead of Morag like I usually do, and because of that he immediately opened with heavenly disrupt and one shotted Rex. Thank god I had an extra party bar from the previous battle
Max Richards I find Stunned Swallow worse because it’s more annoying. At least Heavenly Disrupt only targets one character and there’s three chances to resist the Driver Combo.
"I dont want forever just a moment if its with her" "She wanted to tell you she didnt want forever just her precuous time with you" How different men deal with the same situation
this song is still powerful after XC3, brings back those memories of that powerful man, who only wanted to make things right in a world fked up... amazing composition and amazing backstory for this beautiful track
This music is just so depressing, but not because of how challenging the battles against Jin are, it is about what Jin has encountered in the past and have to endure it all the way to the present day. The 500 years of pain, sadness, anger and hatred.
It suits Jin of all people especially considering his tragic story and his reason for fighting. It really sticks with you as well because of just how different it is from a lot of the other boss themes.
It just gives off this feeling of hopelessness... like it's telling you, "This guy is completely out of your league. You have no hope of defeating him. Just give up and be cut down where you stand."
"I can control all of the particles around me" literally would have been the most broken blade in existence if he utilized it. Jin was stronger than malos and mythra combined...
...He was probably bullshitting for intimidation. Can freeze all the Ether particles? Sure. Is stupidly fast even compared to Mythra and his Torna self? Sure. Can control all particles around him? Freaking Pneuma's ability is around that level and seems to have hidden limits.
Alex Walters Tbf, he was confirmed by mythra to have been the strongest blade in history, so it might not have been cap. But, unlike the aegis, he can’t control artifices, and they can attack with energy that he can’t control, and that was the critical difference that placed him just below the power of the aegis
That's what struck me as stupid with Jin. He's literally so incredibly op he surpasses the Aegises, which are literally gods amongst blades, it just didn't make sense to me. His light speed and freezing ether particles should've been enough to make him scary, but they messed up in that regard.
@@bravecereza To be fair, this is implied to have been an ability he got only after becoming a Flesh Eater, and it's probably also a required power to actually reach light speed.
@@bravecereza The idea of Jin surpassing the Aegises doesn't seem bizarre to me since I can see Flesh Eater capabilities being proportional to the bond between them and whoever is "eaten."
Ah, the memories of my friend watching me get my ass kicked by Jin over and over again, trying a new strategy, getting my ass kicked again, ALMOST beating him, getting my ass kicked again, only to realize that I had to fight another (although easier) Boss right after that... Good times, empty moments.
Amalthus was my favorite boss fight in the entire damn game. Puts up a challenge, and it’s so emotionally cathartic to pound him into the ground, after knowing all of his crimes.
every time I hear this song I get chills then instant sadness as I remember Jins life which was in agony while he just wanted to die and see Lora's smile one last time
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this is a cerified empty moment™
*claps loudly*
BLADELESS BLADE
STUNNED SWALLOW
Heavenly disrupt
U L T R A S L A S H
Sorry, couldn't hear half of these quotes over the deafening sound of my HP bars reaching zero. Vanishing HP bars make a peculiar sound that's oddly similar to a combination of rage quits and spiked controllers.
You might defeat Jin, but you'll never defeat the sadness that man's life will leave you with.
Just like Plin Plin Plon. You can defeat Gwyn, but in the end he defeated you before you started
@@turinmormegil7715 The plin plin plon Suits Jin Very Well
Sadly I think the architect broke me far more than jin could ever do.
*sigh* holy sh*t
What if? you wanted to go to Elysium?
But Jin said: *E M P T Y M O M E N T*
What if Jin also said: *S K Y W A R D S L A S H*
@@MrLee64 *S T U N N E D S W A L L O W*
Dont forget, U L T R A S L A S H
*H E A V E N L Y D I S R U P T.*
*B L A D E L E S S B L A D E*
Yes! I can almost use my level 4 special!
"MONADO... JAIL!"
Why....
Go to blade combo jail
Only thing worse than a debuff-based boss is a incapacitation-based boss that ALSO happens to be at the same time mainly specialized (don't know how it's possible) on Burst Dmg, DoT and high DPS
@@Rman1228 *bonk*
I was more tortured by cyclone
"YES I CAN FINALLY USE THE HEAL"
"MONADOOOO CYCLONE"
"FUCK HE CANCELED ME"
i don’t think this plays for malos
“Your blade. It did not cut deep enough…”
Feels like something Jin would say.
Egil and Bana (XCI) share the same feeling!
Yeah it really does huh 🤔
Considering he misses zeke in chapter 7 this applies to him lmao
@@windy4566 Zeke: "Heheheh… your blade… it did not cut THE ZEKENATOR deep enough." (Does ULFS MAX to knock Jin away)
@@anthonygerardotorresgonzal6269
Egil is the one who says it
Jin's true power is making you want to chuck your switch across the room whenever he launches you
Very true
Joy-cons when you're playing docked
jins power is comparable to a chimera from the astral plane
surely the blades are somewhat similar to the legion
jena anderson on one side and Jin on the other, the troubled bad guy....
Unless its tora being launched
You gotta Topple your TV over and Break your controller when Jin launches.
if you listen and think about the song, you can actually feel how sad jin is, because with every other boss battle theme you get an upbeat and kick-ass tune, but here you don't, here you get an (admittedly damn epic tune) but it never feels upbeat at all, just kind like you're wasting your time on an endless battle that will never change anything.
a nihilistic boss theme?
That's why it feels "out of place" (not that this is bad, in this case) and like its from another game or that the game suddenly became another. And that's what stroke me first on his boss battle. The music was totally different and the certainty of victory wasn't there anymore. This time stakes were real
You can even see the hurt in jin’s eyes. Even when i fought him i knew his new power was not born out of anything optimistic. It was born from the hurt in his heart.. poor bastard just wanted to be with the person he loved. But fate screwed him over... and now.. all he wants is to die.
Unrelated but what’s the source to your pfp
If only I had played torna first...
This plays in Sephiroth vs Pyra matches
Amen
YESSSS
F
Why play that when you've got the new Tiger! Tiger! remix?
(Imagine it ends up being a really good remix and we're all sitting on it for no reason? That'd be hilarious, but I'd still miss Power of Jin)
@@ninjapotatolorf6237 And...it is actually a lit remix
1:32
You can hear the main theme of xenoblade 2 but in a minor key and descending. In xenoblade/Rex's theme it's major and ascending.
I think that shows how both characters reacted differently to tragedy. Rex moved on and still forgave those who hurt him. Jin became bitter and hated all humans instead of just Amalthus like he should have.
However, at the very end, he learned to accept the world and fight for good. And if you listen right at the end of the minor theme it raises up and goes major just for a brief bit.
If this was intentional musical storytelling it's amazing.
If there's one thing Yasunori Mitsuda has always excelled at above most others is his capability for "intentional musical storytelling". He weaves the motif's from the themes perfectly together to create these dynamics. All the songs in the game that share the main theme (such as this, The World Tree, etc.) all adapt it perfectly to suit the contexts of each song.
It’s actually more or a nod to the theme for Adam
Did he ever really hate humans though? Or the order of the world?
@@NuiYabuko yeah, i think he hated the order of the world, which unfortunately the game doesn't really address. jin and malos HAD a point that the unchangeable rules of their world meant blades were reduced to tools and could never grow out of this. jin didn't seem to really have any particular feelings about humanity one way or another (which also meant he didn't care to stop malos' plan of killing them all)
Something I just realized is the reasoning for Jin to be an ice type blade.
In science, cold doesn’t really exist as a thing; it’s just the absence of warmth.
Meanwhile, Jin lives a life of nihilism and misery, believing that humanity is incapable of change and blades are forever doomed to serve as their tools of bloodshed.
Jin’s power is the power of emptiness.
That is a certified
*E M P T Y M O M E N T*
this game has some serious Jungian psychology to it! 🥶
@@joonashanninen8919 the entire xeno series starting all the way back with xenogears is drenched in a blend of German philosophy, psychology and Gnosticism, Jung is just one part of that whole.
Empty moment intensifies
Not only that, but when a collection of identical atoms approaches absolute zero, they become entangled as a single wave function, as if they were one particle across the entirety of the space they occupy. We call that a Bose-Einstein Condensate. The reason Jin can do all that crazy particle acceleration crap in his powered form is because as a Blade, he represents that aspect of the cold.
Half of these are people saying dramatic stuff about Jinny old boy
The other half are memes
This is truly the world the Architect ordained for us
If 2025 doesn’t end with a blue man getting stabbed through the chest by a silver boy with ice powers and a katana, I’m refunding my soul.
@@goroakechi6126 You do know that event took place in 4064, right?
*This is truly the world the Architect Mor Ardained for us.
Here's how we do things! For the glory of Mor Ardain
"Oh, Architect. Is this the world that you intended?" - Amalthus.
@@loganthevillager9176In which month?? Amathatober?
I love Jin a lot as a character. He's goes through a lot of character development from Torna to Xenoblade 2. His last fight is hard but fun with amazing music. It's sad when he dies. He truly was, a splendid soul.
may Jin forever rest in peace and be reunited with Lora
I dunno man, other people manage to lose family members without deciding it's time to do genocide
@@shadowkingleo7776 yes
@@nutrifacts_1234 first time playing whose this weird guy in the mask he's kinda cool looking
after main game: my favorite character
after torna: best girl lora and best boy jin fuck amalthis
@@izanagi6628 exactly 😃
Jin's power actually comes from the song that plays during his battles
He is incredibly underrated as is his song
He was just teasing you at Temperantia. Now, there's no holding back...
AtrociousAmbition
Strongest Blade in Torna,
Torna has strongest blades,
Powerful bond with Driver,
Flesh Eater bond with driver,
All of that comes together to make the strongest sole blade in the game.
Just like Sephiroth
@@maxrichards3881 power equal to a aegis but not surpassed it.
Everybody gangsta till Jin moves his sword in a 360° arch
“God dammit! He launched me again!!”
Most of these stupid Jin fights were scripted and I hate those types of battles
I can only recall like two times when you actually had to beat him. I’ll never forget the scene with the whole gang and him and Malos
End of chapter 6 I think where Pyra forfeited her ownership pretty much to Rex and went with the baddies
The part where Jin was all like”but your just a fool” “a pathetic useless…fool!” And then turns and scoffs in disgust at the sight of Rex. Jin is THAT GUY
I have a bit of a theory regarding Jin: in chapter 5 after he kills Haze (damn him for that) he tries to activate his true power, but his core starts acting up just as he was about to attack the party. Now, Jin is shown to be a pretty analytical Blade, so to make a miscalculation like that doesn’t seem like him.
Which is why I don’t think it was a miscalculation. I think…it was Lora. I think she stopped him from just killing the party outright. In addition, in the final room before the elevator to the Orbital Ring, Jin said he was told to wait. We see a brief shot of Lora looking at him, saddened. It cuts back to Jin and Malos and we see Lora is gone, indicating she wasn’t really there. I think she knew what Jin needed to redeem himself, and Rex had what Jin needed to hear. Her heart was fused with Jin, and Mythra even says “Lora…she’s in there, isn’t she?” It wasn’t just her heart fused with him, bits of her consciousness did as well.
Of course, it’s just a theory. There’s a few holes in it, I won’t deny that. Tell me you guys’ opinions on the matter!
Even if none of her consciousness was transferred with her heart that was devoured by Jin. I think he still knows how she'd react and maybe he even sees personality traits in Rex that reminded him of Lora. He killed Haze not out of cold blood but out of emphaty. He wanted to free her from what Amalthus made of her. He probably couldn't get over seeing such a familiar face that is just an empty husk. At the end he wanted to see if humans are still what he remembers from his time with Lora during the events 500 years ago. Even at the beginning he didn't stab Rex in cold blood. He didn't want the young guy being wrapped in all the bullshit going on and killed him out of mercy (at least that was probably his thought process)
@@zangy3748 i 100% agree..he "killed" haze to free her from amalthus,, " you are no slave, be free now" haze even made a comment in torna how horrible it would be to "be a blade of that man". its was her own wish, he gave it to her.
That honestly sounds rock solid, and i like that theory! Never thought about that scene like that... 😮
I WOULD like to know about the "holes in your theory" that you mentioned existed, cause i can't think of any on my own. Right now, at least.
Even if he didn't literally have parts of Lora's consciousness, I'm sure the memories of his relationship with her and the remnants of her personality that rubbed off on him had the same effect. They were driver and blade after all, and "driver and blade are one in body and soul".
@@thebookwyrm235 he has an ability that takes away a bit of hp in exchange for increased power. He underestimated how low his hp actually was because he just fought you, while being suppressed by haze. "Why now?" Could've meant several different things.
"You know if we fight now, you'll-"
"You see right through me, Mythra. But I made a promise. I'll do whatever it takes to fill his desire."
"Even if it means your death?"
"Gladly."
"Jin."
Jin: You came.
Rex: Jin!
Pyra: Are you alone? Where's Malos?
Jin: He... went ahead.
Rex: Well then, what are you doing here?
Jin: Waiting. For you.
Rex: For us? Are you trying to stop us going after Malos?
Jin: Perhaps... I want to see for myself. If this world has any will of its own... which one would it choose, you or Malos...?
Mythra: Then... You should let us pass.
Jin: That, I cannot do.
Mythra: But why? In your condition, you should barely be able to stand! You know if we fight now you'll...!
Jin: You see right through me Mythra... ...But I made a promise. I'll do whatever it takes to fulfill his desire.
Mythra: Even if it means your death?
Jin: Gladly.
Mythra: Jin...
*Transforms into true form*
Zeke: It looks like we won't get past without a fight, chum.
Rex: Seems so. We'll give it all we got! C'mon!
Jin: As it should be. Come at me, boy!
What’s so perfect about this song is the way it captures Jin’s character: both his sadness and his hatred of the world
Ominous...haunting...sorrowful...
This is such a beautiful boss theme, in every aspect.
Jin is imo the most underrated character from this game.
Tactician Magician He’s the Tragic Hero of the Xenoblade 2 chronology, and in some sense, the true main character of the story.
@@tacticianmagician4716 underrated!?!? He's one of the fan favorites.
@@Xane875 Indeed he is! It just feels like fans pay Rex and pyra and the gang mythra more attention than Jin
Or even Adam
@@Oliver-hd5fk he is yeah, sometimes I don't see it though 🤔
*Gets launched*
S T U N N E D S W A L L O W
The worst part about that move is that he usually doesn't even capitalise on the Launch, he's just having fun x)
Yahhhhhh
@@sheassea9320 Meh meeeeeh
Even the first time you hear this theme, you can sense that Jin’s motive just isn’t the same as Malos’s. You can feel the whole character throughout the song.
Jin thought malos was right all along, but malos doesn't want that anymore, he wants to find his own path.
My mind every 3 seconds: Please don’t use Empty Moment... please don’t use Empty Moment... please don’t use empty moment...
Jin: *EMPTY MOMENT*
Me: *screams in agony*
Or he does the move to kills one of party members instantly
H E A V E N L Y D I S R U P T
Game Over
STUNNED SWALLOW
@@funnynameforme4091 heavenly disrupt?
Even as he is fighting you all Jin feels is despair and emptiness. the old Jin died long ago along with Lora.
She was right the pain is unbearable like a heart being ripped in two nd sadly Jin did bear it all so he would never forget that wonderful person. I feel there is no love greater then those two in any video game.
Noah and mio entered chat actually to be fair love lost through the ages has been very prominent in xeno story telling
This song isn’t in Smash
E M P T Y M O M E N T
This song isn't in Smash but Praetor Amalthus - The Acting God - is...
Just let that sink in for a couple seconds.
@@awsumsas Amalthus: eeeeeeee...
@@awsumsas dude I hate him so much he is evil for no reason I usually like the villains because they have a reason like jin but no let's just hate everyone because why not like bruh
@@nsgbranden8343 Amalthus actually does have a reason for what he does. While it may not be the best course of action, he hates the world due to the amount of evil in it. He had a traumatic experience as a child, and that's what started it all.
@@LTSKRUNKLY thanks dude I forgot about that still hate amalthus tho lol
The names of Jin's arts are just depressing when you account his time with Lora in Torna. A Moment of Eternity? E M P T Y
M O M E N T. An art called Swallow's Flight?
S T U N N E D S W A L L O W.
After playing Torna the golden country, I think this battle theme has a lot more meaning.
After learning about Jin's past before the battle and hearing this music while fighting him made me really sad. Then I stopped feeling sad after fighting him for the 52nd time getting hit with all the Empty Moments, Bladeless Blade, Zero Zone, Heavenly Disrupt, and Skyward Slash along with shackling my blades and tossing my ass in the air every 40 seconds and really starting to get pissed at him wanted to absolutely destroy him even more every time I died. Then the cutscene after that made me really cry
Then Torna DLC comes over and makes it 60x more emotional
you realize there are shackle blade resist aux cores right?
Madfox That’s Stunned Swallow. Empty moment is the 5-hit AOE blowdown move
You can shackle blade with aux cores and resist blowdown and launch with s blade combo
@@catsquaredd infinitely more*
The One-Winged Angel of Xenoblade Chronicles.
You can actually hear the main theme at 1:36
Something interesting tho, is how this part of the main theme is different from the original version. The main theme can almost be thought of as the theme for pyra and rex’s relationship. In the original version the tune is in a minor key, but it swells and starts low and rise upwards in pitch, in general it has a very hopeful feeling. The segment of the main theme in Jin’s theme starts high, and descends, and is overall foreboding and anguished.
I think this is meant to draw parallels with how Jin and his relationship with Lora was very similar to Rex’s relationship with pyra. However, when tragedy befell Jin, he grew bitter, and resentful towards the world and closed his heart to others. Whereas Rex had his friends to help him when pyra was taken even when he was ready to give up. I think the music may reflect this duality between the characters
Also, to further your point, those specific set of notes were played in the ending song, One Last You, together with these lyrics:
"Can I ask you, God? Despite all of this...
Could the sandglass somehow take back the time?
One last time is all I ask from you
Can you please spare me some time with the one [wo]man I loved?"
And considering the events of the tragedy that befell Jin and Lora, it is as if those lyrics are fully embodying Jin's inner desires and hopes with regards to Lora.
If they dont add this theme, then it would be a certified EMPTY moment 😔
:(
Oh.... an entire driver combo.... thaaaaaaanksss...
The “Ah, yes allow me to just break the laws of physics real quick” theme
You can really hear the tragedy that Jin has gone through in this theme. Jin is my most favorite Xenoblade Chronicles 2 antagonist along with Malos and Mikhail.
MarioXenobladefan614
Those are the three great ones.
My favorite characters list is:
10: Klaus
9: Mikhail
8: Vandham
7: Poppi
6: Rex
5: Pyra / Mythra
4: Zeke
3: Jin
2: Nia
1: Malos
you either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain or live so long that you loop back to being a hero
The Power of Tetsuya Nomura (Sephiroth and Jin creator).
A Jin? Does this mean I get three wishes? No. The only three things I'll be getting is break, topple, and launch... And maybe a bit of smash
This plays in my mind every time Noah goes full Jin
His life was the one thing he hadn't lost, because he couldn't.
Somehow Noah kept coming back
I had diarrhea once in school, I went to the nearest bathroom but it was locked, so as I began to search for another bathroom this began to play in my head
trying to have my own empty moment
Me: *Scrolls down to read interesting and engaging comments*
Me: *Sees this comment*
Me: *Excuse me what the fuck*
Ok then
(Seargent, bring out the cannons)
...
Empty Moment should be the name of this song.
@@Yourgalpal7 lmfao
What a splendid soul you were, Jin.
This sounds like the song of a tortured soul who struggles with life and purpose, but finally finds his meaning (and maybe redemption) right near the end of the refrain when the horns play. When you play Torna and then XC2 and watch the character develope, I think its hard to deny how well this song fits Jin.
Well yeah, the song literally has Jin's name in it. So it was obviously made with him in mind, lol.
@@TheRebornExpertWell no sh*t it's his theme, darkdoink is just pointing out how well the song actually fits him!
@@lemmyxpro Yeah man, no need to curse, I understand you.
But what else can I say to your own comment then "No shit" as well! Yes of course it's Jin's theme and all, it's literally in the name, motif, and everything else. You don't need to go repeating the obvious you know! Especially if someone else (In this case, OP and ME) already did!! Lol. 😅💀
@@TheRebornExpert You made the OP sound like an idiot though, correcting him on such an obvious thing.
@@lemmyxpro That's what you thought though, it's not the truth. You should have asked me to clarify before jumping to conclusions, I'm afraid that was your mistake.
THIS REALLY NEEDS TO BE ON SMASH AFTER PYRA’S DLC
Truest statement ever.
FACTS!!
I mean, who else would be the legendary spirit?
it should be, but probably won’t to prevent spoilers
@@JDB21 since when does sakurai care about Spoilers? He put 7 on shulk's final smash
Tbh, one of the most underrated battle themes in the game.
You have power, boy
But words do little
If you truly know what you desire, you will have to prove it
Not with words but with your own strength!
I grew to love Jin. I helped him and his driver grow back on Torna. They were almost too powerful. I didn't want to fight him, but I did share a common enemy with him. Knowing that, I do feel some solace knowing that I could bring revenge for him, after all these years.
Friendly reminder that when Jin was saying goodbye to Malos he said, “I’ll be watching over you. All of you.” What does watching over everyone imply? He knew he was going to die.
It seemed that without the chamber on there ship he wouldn't be able to recover because when ever he used his powers he would need to go in it and since it was destroyed he really didn't seem to have long left I think it was because he had loras heart that gave him these problems because that heart had been beating for over 500 years at this point
Sephiroth: is an edgelord
Jin: Actually has depression
Someone find this man a therapist he needs help
:(
Idk, you should play Crisis Core
Jin is a better character
Yeah oof
Jin is what sephiroth was supposed to be, although (very controversial) Xeno is better than final fantasy in my opinion
@@zaos7321 I'm not surprised by their similarities in design since they were both designed by Tetsuya Nomura, I always thought Patroka looked similar to Tifa aswell.
Jin may look like Sephiroth but I see him as the version of cloud strife that let his trauma take over him. Literally clouds girlfriend and hometown were destroyed and his best friend was killed while Jin lost a lot of friends and both had this traumatic screaming after all of it but Cloud ultimately overcame it whereas Jin let it take over him.
The funny thing is in the Japanese version Jin has the same voice actor as Cloud.
@@24hr-Gaming shiiitttt did not know that that’s sick
Empty moment= omae wa mou shindeiru... Rex: "NANI?!"
Without strength, you cannot protect anything. Let alone yourself.
Now that xc3 is out I guess Jin was right about Humans always wanting war
This theme really doesn't feel like a battle theme, it's sounds like a song straight from a ballet. A song you'd see a dramatic dance to. And when you consider that Jin, while having a lot of very Ninja-like attacks, also has some attacks that have him more slowly and somewhat dramatically, it gives you a better understanding of Jin's character if you didn't have it already. A tragic man forced to continue the show after it should have ended for him years ago.
After playing the Golden Country, this makes me very sad. I liked Lora more than Rex.
Definitely
Ambur Price
Not me.
Hugo was a subpar hybrid of the other ardainians, Morag and Niall.
Lora wasn’t a very interesting character on her own, it was her dynamic with Jin that allowed me to keep playing as her.
Addam and Mythra’s bond was nothing compared to Rex and Pyra, which is the point of chapter 7.
The only improvements on characters were Seeing what Haze was like before Amalthus brainwashed her, and seeing what minoth was like in his prime.
Max Richards
I mean, you can see why mythra/pyra locked herself away after the war, and the dynamics between addam and Hugo both being heroes of the people make for some decent (at the very least) character development
Not even close. Rex and Pyra conection is what makes Xc2 a great game, Lora on its own is unintresting.
@@srex1177 Not that Rex and Pyra's relationship wasn't great. It certainly was. I just think Lora was more grounded. Although Mythra and Adam were my personal favorite team in Torna, story wise.
Hope this one makes it to smash, so fucking COOL theme...
EDIT: DAMN, it didnt make it 😢
If Jin gets a Spirit, it's definitely gonna be Sephiroth.
@@FunkyGhost37 has to
@@FunkyGhost37 usually they don’t make dlc characters into spirit fighters. Maybe they’ll make it Sephiroth if you have it and someone else if you don’t.
@@Sun_Sableye Cloud has a big sword, maybe that’ll work.
It’s a awful day for rain
I hope that Xenoblade 3 will have a track like this
Wish granted
@@pixel9230
What’s the name?
It was somehow even better. 😭
@@maxrichards3881 SPOILERS
Vs. Sorrow. There's also another version without the intro, named after the person it plays against.
Vs. Sorrow (or now Words That Never Reached You) is a great track, and N's battle theme is one of the best. But i think where i stand now, Jin's is still the best. I'm happy my wish was granted though. Xenoblade always hits.
"But that man, he'd lost everything. He no longer wanted anything, he didn't even want to live anymore. And despite that, his life was the one thing he hadn't lost."
"Because he couldn't!"
I know this is Jin’s theme
But all I remember from it is “You forget... I’m an Aegis too”
Yep thats Malos
@@victorgrisel838 INDEED!
Loved all the shit talking malos did during fights lol
*Serious Showdown be like*
This theme hits Harder after you finish the Torna DLC
Jin was the same as Amalthus, filled with anger and selfish self-loathing, until he decided to give that all up to save the world. He decided to, in his last moments, live for others
Noah and N theme from XC3 reminds me a lot of this one!
Yeah, it's definitely somewhat inspired from this theme!
Considering final lucky seven (Noah's unlimited blade talent art) is literally just heavenly disrupt id say your right
@@eror404acountnotfound9Yep, makes sense!
If you know what you desire, you will have to show it.
NOT WITH WORDS BUT WITH YOUR OWN STRENGTH!
HEAVENLY DISRUPT
天乱剣
That's the japanese name for heavenly disrupt
What in romaji?
Most overpower Art in the game.
I remember when I fought his true form the first time in Tantal I had Zeke in my party instead of Morag like I usually do, and because of that he immediately opened with heavenly disrupt and one shotted Rex. Thank god I had an extra party bar from the previous battle
2:30 is where the Real Chorus *That makes me hear this song over and over* Starts.
If there's room, let's put Jin in Smash. Why not? He would be a perfect fit.
Me: Alright i NG+’ed so i’m lvl 99. i should have no problem and this should take very little tim- *STUNNED SWALLOW*
Karmotrine
Heavenly disrupt is worse.
Max Richards I find Stunned Swallow worse because it’s more annoying. At least Heavenly Disrupt only targets one character and there’s three chances to resist the Driver Combo.
Zeke von Genbu, Bringer of Chaos
I just stop attacking the moment I see the words on screen.
Zeke von Genbu, Bringer of Chaos
I just stop attacking the moment I see the words on screen.
@@maxrichards3881 HEVENLY DIS...
*CHAIN ATTACK STARTS*
Definitely one of my favorite boss themes in the game. 2:30 is godly
"I dont want forever just a moment if its with her"
"She wanted to tell you she didnt want forever just her precuous time with you"
How different men deal with the same situation
I never noticed how similar Jin and N are
@stpidstuff their motivation is very simular but their reactions very different
this song is still powerful after XC3, brings back those memories of that powerful man, who only wanted to make things right in a world fked up... amazing composition and amazing backstory for this beautiful track
This music is just so depressing, but not because of how challenging the battles against Jin are, it is about what Jin has encountered in the past and have to endure it all the way to the present day. The 500 years of pain, sadness, anger and hatred.
I love how, in this boss fight they decided to take a more sad and dramatic theme than in the others
It suits Jin of all people especially considering his tragic story and his reason for fighting. It really sticks with you as well because of just how different it is from a lot of the other boss themes.
It just gives off this feeling of hopelessness... like it's telling you, "This guy is completely out of your league. You have no hope of defeating him. Just give up and be cut down where you stand."
If you know what you desire, You will have to show it. Not with words but with your own strength!
"I can control all of the particles around me" literally would have been the most broken blade in existence if he utilized it. Jin was stronger than malos and mythra combined...
...He was probably bullshitting for intimidation. Can freeze all the Ether particles? Sure. Is stupidly fast even compared to Mythra and his Torna self? Sure.
Can control all particles around him? Freaking Pneuma's ability is around that level and seems to have hidden limits.
Alex Walters Tbf, he was confirmed by mythra to have been the strongest blade in history, so it might not have been cap. But, unlike the aegis, he can’t control artifices, and they can attack with energy that he can’t control, and that was the critical difference that placed him just below the power of the aegis
That's what struck me as stupid with Jin. He's literally so incredibly op he surpasses the Aegises, which are literally gods amongst blades, it just didn't make sense to me. His light speed and freezing ether particles should've been enough to make him scary, but they messed up in that regard.
@@bravecereza To be fair, this is implied to have been an ability he got only after becoming a Flesh Eater, and it's probably also a required power to actually reach light speed.
@@bravecereza The idea of Jin surpassing the Aegises doesn't seem bizarre to me since I can see Flesh Eater capabilities being proportional to the bond between them and whoever is "eaten."
FINNALLY SOMEONE WHO HAS IT WITHOUT ATTACK SOUNDS
you'd think it be easy to get with the soundmixing options
EMPTY MOMENT
Jin: Stunned Swallow.
Everyone in my party: *AAAAAAAAAAAAA*
YAAAAAAAAAAAH
OOOOOOOOF
MEEEEEEHHHHHHHH
Anyone notice how this song strikingly resembles another soundtrack called "The Decision"?
I really wish Jin was a unlockable blade in new game+
Same with Malos... but at least we get to play as Jin in Torna, his own challenge battle, and at some points in the main game's story.
It would be a crime to not include this in Smash
It was indeed a crime
STOP! YOU HAVE VIOLATED THE LAW!
we were so goddamn CLOSE
Sakurai really shafted Jin like that!
You were a splendid soul Jin :'(
It's
What a splendid soul you were jin ~Azurda
Srry to nerd you out but I had to xc2 is my favorite game ever
@@nsgbranden8343 literally changed my life. From chapter 7 onward a true ride I will never forget
This is such a good song. It's not bombastic. It's not intense, but calm, like Jin. And it fits so well.
Ah, the memories of my friend watching me get my ass kicked by Jin over and over again, trying a new strategy, getting my ass kicked again, ALMOST beating him, getting my ass kicked again, only to realize that I had to fight another (although easier) Boss right after that... Good times, empty moments.
Feel like I'm the only person who beat Jin no problem but then lost to Amalthus
Amalthus was my favorite boss fight in the entire damn game.
Puts up a challenge, and it’s so emotionally cathartic to pound him into the ground, after knowing all of his crimes.
Finally I can here this beautiful piece of music without hearing "MONADO CYCLONE" every 3 seconds
Malos over hear ruining everyones day.
Pause, System, Settings, Audio Settings, In-Game Voices
The one thing my roommate and I asked during that fight: Where the fuck was that recharge rate in Chronicles 1???
every time I hear this song I get chills then instant sadness as I remember Jins life which was in agony while he just wanted to die and see Lora's smile one last time
Hearing this theme remixed in Torna was a very satisfying moment
T:TGC made me love Jin even more... And made me even more sad when I saw him in the original game :'(
Sounds like a mix of FF7R, FF15 and KH3 music along with that Xenobladeness
One of the best characters I've ever seen
now this is a certified Empty Moment
astral chain bought me here once again
Just hearing this song sends chills down my spine
heavenly disrupt
The other one winged angel
The power of Jin
And the shadow of Sephiroth
Takahashi knew he was doing when Nomura was helping draw Torna
I had forgotten about this theme and recently heard it again thanks to the challenge mode battle, now I'm obsessed with it.
Jin is the perfected formula that egil used in xenoblade 1
God, I love this song. The best part of the Land of Challenge is that you can bash Jin and Malos over and over again.
Its breathtaking
I was stuck in this boss fight FOR 8 MONTHS
This character was amazing
Whenever I hear this music, I think of like a classic disney villain, in the best way possible
Rex: Is that….Jin’s True Form?!
Also Rex: *THIS WILL BE A WALK IN THE PARK*