And some of that packaging is nice and fancy too. Shame all we generally see of these fancy packages is the spine… although a few folks do have nicer displays for ‘some’ of their titles.
Here's something for you. I already have a fund set aside for a boxset that may not even come into existence. 😂 If Criterion ever get round to releasing a bluray/4K version of their Kurosawa boxset there's not a chance in hell i will be missing it. My favourite director ever! (Just found & subbed to your channel)
@@Primo420 to be honest… that’s a pretty great idea. Have that money ready so it isn’t too traumatic to the bank account. You know if it arrives it won’t be a cheap one. Thank you for the sub ✌🏼
I think that maybe part of it is people trust the label, especially for films that are lesser known , it's like a seal of approval from the label saying that "ohh yes this movie is good and worth a watch" not necessarily because it's a limited edition, or that's what makes sense to me anyways
Yeah there certainly is a level of trust involved to some extent. I think I couple of labels are potentially losing the trust a little but there certainly are those ‘dependable’ labels that have earned a level of trust of trust. Criterion and the Eureka masters of cinema series certainly have a very loyal following
Im happy buying movies for £1(ish) a go on bluray. The markets gone for it so enjoy the firesale, ignore the moneygrab shenanigans. So many movies on blu out there that are impossible/difficult on streaming. Not to mention blu is £1ish and buying it digital (if possible) is £5/10. Collectors editions are just siphoning the last bit of cash from the physical market. Ie the last few pay premium because the majority moved on
I want to check out some car boot sales now the UK weather is picking up. Just to see what kinda prices Blu ray are going for on those. Between charity shops / car boot sales and CEX. There are certainly some bargains to be had if you’re not swayed by the limited shenanigans. I do enjoy some limited editions but it’s mainly for the extra features. But… they do come at a cost. It’ll be interesting to see what happens in a few years time. I don’t see younger generations being as interested in that ownerships of this kind of media. I certainly don’t see it either my kids.
@@PhillwithadoubleL The magpie sells 90% of their BluRays in their 4 for £5 or 4 for £8, and that's delivered to your door. £1/2 has become the normal, with plenty cheaper to get rid of them. Been meaning to get to the car boots as well, it's the early starts and the effort to get to them, awkward places, that puts me off. Done a couple times and were a waste of time those times
@@johnnycarrotheid last car boot I went to early last year was disappointing for movie & game hunting. Havent been to another since… but that urge is back again now.
@@PhillwithadoubleL Exact same with the games and movies. Also some didn't know car boot sales were supposed to be cheap lol. People asking for some proper silly prices 😂
I just got into buying physical media again and have been wondering the same thing. Truly terrible movies are getting the limited edition or 4k treatment but there are movies that I would love to get on 4k or anyK like “El Incidente” from 2014, and I’m sure many people would turn their noses up at my dream buys
Some of these movies have found an audience, even though they bombed. I am glad there are boutique labels catering to niche schlock and that they seem to be successful. "We" are not a monolith, after all.
The thing that sticks out to me with some of these editions is that thrill of chasing the limited edition over the want of seeing the movie. I do like that they’re finding an audience but I question if collectors are always enjoying the content or if it’s more about accumulating the labels releases.
@@PhillwithadoubleL yes I can see there may be some folk who will want it out of collector mentality, and some boutique labels may be counting on that to make the proposition profitable in the first place. Even if I think it is potentially unhealthy to collect for the sake of it, I suppose I would like to thank anyone who subsidised out of FOMO any otherwise unviable release on behalf of those who truly wanted it
Hey Phill, I don't collect movies, but I do collect Sports cards and memorabilia. Your series on the mindset of collecting and how you've analysed your own habits has been both entertaining and helpful in assessing my own collecting and my priorities. I think it all comes back to quality over quantity. And only collecting what I love. There's never an end point for this, and that's a hard pill to swallow because I think as collectors we become obsessed with completing. And the chase. But your videos have helped me focus on what truly matters and what kind of collection I want to have from. Thank you for the insight and entertainment, and may your collection bring you more joy and less stress. Cheers from Melbourne.
Hey, thanks for commenting. Wow, that brings my joy that my videos have reached collectors across other mediums and I’m glad you have taken some value from my ramblings about my own collection and struggles. It’s still fun to collect, I love it. But I’m getting to the point that I’m happier limiting it down to just the things I truly love and care about over what the groups tell me that I should care about. Do it for you. Thank you for sharing. And wow, Melbourne… that’s gotta be a late night for you out there ? Are you… from the future ? It’s still 10th April here.
@@PhillwithadoubleL It was indeed. Caught me right at 1 am! Hope to catch your live streams one day when they're more Aussie friendly 😂. Looking forward to more videos from you and all the best!
Good video. You are right. Yet I am a Vinegar Syndrome subscriber. 98-99% of their titles I normally wouldn't have given the time of day otherwise. Surprisingly I enjoy most of them and their packaging is second to none.
Yeah, the vinegar syndrome packages are generally superb. And the great thing is. If you’re not bothered about a particular title then they tend to hold their prices well if you decided to sell. Glad you manage to get some of them watched, part of my worry with collecting is the time to actually sit and enjoy. At the moment it feels next to impossible to take in everything I want to.
Brilliant video mate, Tremors 2 is a fantastic example of polishing a turd 😊 the worst bit is that people champion them as great movies when these re releases come about, I don't know if that's what they tell themselves to justify buying the movie or what. Same with super mario bros, Umbrella had to push more copies to meet demand, I mean WTF. Keep up the good work bro, loving the content.
Glad you enjoyed the video 🙌🏼 I’ve been guilty of buying crap for the collection because of the label. So many arrow titles that… I just got carried away with. The Tremors 2 one really does confuse me. I’m not saying I didn’t kinda enjoy it. But, 4k limited. Haha. Also, I know I have or had a copy of Super Mario Brothers somewhere on Blu ray from a previous release. I’m prob one of the guilty ones that encouraged this kinda behaviour.
Phill i dont get this Chinatown coming soon plus Two Jakes, but today announced by Warner Bros for £45 North by Northwest only seen it once but £45 is too much, and why not a cheaper version, with not so much stuff, we never asked for.
Hopefully there will also be a standard edition of North by North-west. They just seem to milk the limited edition label for all its worth before they produce the standard release. Adding that ‘premium’ content which probably costs them pennies (mostly the printed materials and box) but costs the consumer around an extra £20… it’s ridiculous isn’t it.
I’m trying to hang off from The Crow for now. Gonna go for a standard edition when it drops onto an offer. Think I got burnout from buying things full price and then seeing them drop after a couple of months.
I don’t think it matters. Something might be a joke to some but most of these are cult films I assume the fans love it, I know I do. I don’t hoard, I only buy what I love. Huge fan of the tremors 2 box too, one of my favorite sequels ever
Pretty good point when you think about it, it's like they almost have us balls and we buy the new shiny thing the moment they announce it. I've bought some stuff because of the label and not the movie, but i try to be rational now days and it works... most of time. If it's something that i love and want, then give me all the bells and whistles but i stick to regular or just skip the once that don't interest me that much or at all.
I’m (trying) to get into the same mindset. I have the occasional slip but generally I’ve been a little more patient recently and just had that standard edition instead. But… if it’s something I truly care about then yeah. I’ll get the best edition I can, the one with all the printed crap in the package that I’ll never use 😐
I get what you're saying and I agree the boutique labels know how to work the wannabe RUclips famous delusionals out there to shill their bs films! Before I buy any film I check my hard drives for the film. If I wouldn't even waste bandwidth on the film back in the day why the hell would I want it on Blu-ray! 😅
You NEED it on Blu ray because it’s limited and [insert boutique label name] are releasing it 😂 I tried to find my Blu ray of vertical limit for this video. I care for it that much that I couldn’t find it. Can’t remember if I sold it or not. That’s how important this title is. What a must own it has to be… even with 88 Films releasing it. No need to gather everything. When I think back to some of the box sets released… baffling (I’m looking at you Anaconda collection)
I watch the movie on tubi. If I like it a lot I want to own it. You don't sound like much of a collector if you only watch movies you downloaded years ago. I discover new cult classics all the time...
When I was a little girl, I didn’t like dolls, but my grandmother would buy me Barbies anyway thinking I would like to collect them. Now, as an adult, I cannot help buying different editions of the same movie. I love watching the spines on my collection. Those gorgeous slipcovers by Vinegar Syndrome, those digibooks by Turbine, they are a boost of serotonin. I guess it is some sort of emotional void I got from refusing to play with and collect Barbies when I was a kid 😂🙈
Do you still have the Barbies ? I’m trying to avoid the different editions now. When space is becoming an issue, I need to be mindful about reasons for duplicating (for my own collection anyway).
People who buy limited edition treat it as a baseball card collection, they just look at it and think that it will pay for their kids college in ten years. I was fooled too. Bought box sets that were limited, sat on my shelf and then resold them at fraction of what I paid for. I'm done. I even went as far as buying a dollar dvd over the blu--ray because I will only watch the movie once.
It’s like the figures and collectibles. Everyone remembers how valuable those old Star Wars figures became… now collecting and keeping stuff in the chance it could be worth something in the future.. sad thing is, there’s nothing you can do to predict what May or may not become valuable. It’s a waste collecting for investment when there’s so many re releases / new editions that affect the prices. Seen so many movies and box set plummet in value because of this.
@@PhillwithadoubleL I still have my physical media collection but a very small one (maybe 200) Plus I don't have the anxiety of so much looking at me and the need to take the time to watch all this. I feel better and saving money. But I don't want to criticize people for their own enjoyment. To each his own.
I watch movies more than once. I buy very few limited editions of my favorite movies. I would never buy them to resell them. If you were doing it for that reason then you're not really a movie collector in my opinion. I have movies worth $50 I won't sell. Occasionally, a movie will go up in value and I'll sell it if I don't care for it much and I have a dvd too.
@@MentalDeviant I’ve got some movies in my collection like that. Worth quite a lot but there’s no chance I’ll sell. If I love the movie then no way I’m getting rid. I’ve even got some old DVDs still that seem to be going up in value.
I’ve never bought any of these boutique/niche labels. I usually buy standard release DVD, Blu ray/4K. I like everything to look the same. Whereas, these limited edition sets, are different sizes 😅 my OCD hates it. Along with steelbooks for Blu ray/4K, they’re bigger cases than standard releases!!
In honesty, some of these labels are great and do treat the film and extras with respect for the most part. If you love the movie, they’re worth looking at for the extra content if you’re into learning more about the movie and process… But I understand the need for the uniformity in your collection. Thankfully some boutique labels do have the standard editions which fit in more with the traditional collection and often with the same extras. Worth a look depending on your interest in the extra features on a particular movie)
I get it can be difficult On the shelf. But I'm the opposite. I miss the old limited DVD. That's what I love about the boutique labels. First grade original packaging and artwork. Plus I own all the mainstream movies except new ones.
What I don't get is why would you buy a movie and not even take it out of the wrapping. If you watched that movie many times and don't consider it that important to even check the transfer or the extras... why buy it in the first place? I only buy the movies that mean something to me and that I know I'll rewatch several times. Only my absolute favorites, everything else can be streamed.
It’s the addiction pattern that I was in. I can’t explain the impulse to behave that way with what I was buying. The high of ordering and receiving was an addiction and it didn’t matter if I didn’t have the time… I just wanted that thing. It’s a habit I’m working on breaking.
@@PhillwithadoubleL Sometimes I also get tempted, but I always try to be careful and think it through for a couple of days before buying something (my whishlist on amazon and Arrow have like 40 items in total, I found that having a movie in a whishlist for a while sometimes helps me decide if I really want it or if I was caught on the FOMO). Also I tend to chose the regular editions instead of the special/limited editions, since my shelf space is limited.
once I found out about these boutique labels, I checked them out, and had to look hard to find something that I've actually heard of, then to find something I remember fondly.
There are some nice discoveries to be made from the boutique labels. But, a lot now come at a price and the ‘great’ movies from them can be few and far between at times.
Yes look at UK Arrow releases ... most of them are just trash films, USA Arrow generally gets the better releases, we have had a few but not many. Seriously who is buying 'Behind Convent Walls' read the room Arrow we want decent films as limited etd.
Will the boutique labels cater to non normies. And horror fans. Part of the fun is discovering new movies. Watching him on Tubi. And then owning the Blu-ray. The whole point is they don't only have mainstream titles. Now they have put out a few. Now companies like vinegar syndrome are trying to preserve cult classics.
What if they remove it from streaming Ozzy… what if ?! What will you do then… AND if you’re getting a copy to sit on your shelf. Why got a normal copy when it can be a limited Steelbook sat gathering dust. Just think of the investment as it’s sat on your shelf gathering dust because you’re rewatching on Prime. Fear of missing out.
Well, pumpkin head is a classic creature flick about revenge... But I guess you're not a physical media collector....If you don't collect creature flicks don't buy it. Now I have the Blu-ray and don't need to upgrade.
Yes, it’s hugely psychological. Tremors 2 is a fantastic example-it’s not a bad film, has its fans, and has been widely available for years. But when you see Arrow putting out a deluxe 4K version, you stop and wonder why they’d go through the time, money and effort to do it. Is the movie actually a more worthy film than you’ve perceived it to be all these years? It’s available on all the Tremors multi packs, so for Arrow to do this, it must be very special, right? I’m sure there are those who have dreamt of having the best possible presentation of Tremors 2 in their library. But was the demand really that high? People who just weren’t satisfied with the blu ray editions and were willing to pay triple the price for it?
I enjoyed Tremors 2 for what it was… a direct to dvd sequel. After they did the first 3 direct to dvd sequels… No one was really interested for many years. It even had the tv show that went nowhere. It here was a slight resurgence with the newer direct to dvd sequels but absolute zero to indicate than enough people out there were begging for a new upgrade special edition of ANY of the sequels. It amazes me where these fans suddenly appear from… I’d seen the multi movie sets of tremors being sold off cheap. Nobody was interested. 🤷🏼♂️ Bang a label and limited edition on it. Slap it in a hard box and suddenly 💥
Keep in mind these sell outs are of smaller print runs, mostly between 2-5k, I think Tremors 2 sold 6-8k. I do agree a lot of the sales are because of an Arrow Umbrella putting out a limited packaging 4k. I stopped falling for it cause I have a limited budget and I'm fine waiting for the same disc content in a standard case at a cheaper price. It's rare that an Arrow limited contains additional on disc content, and I'm usually not bothered by missing an extra or 2 I may never get to anyway. I will defend Tremors 2 and Super Mario bros as films, I'm a bit younger than you and grew up with both and have always liked them. I think they're entertaining and I think it's cool how much Mario Bros departed from its source material to be something unique and not overly kid friendly. Tremors 2 in the US was a video store and pay/premium movie/cable channel staple for those of us 30s-50s, nostalgia is strong but I'm waiting for the standard.
I already own Tremors 2 and Super Mario Bros 😂😂 yeah , you’re right though. They have their fans and a heap of nostalgia. With Super Mario, I have a basic edition and won’t be going in for the more pricey import. The movie only will do me just fine. If I can ever find it again.
Was in HMV oxford street before Easter and was amazed about the range of these limited editions by the labels you mention. When i worked for the chain the late 90s early 2000s the target customer was called '£50 man' - and basically would come in weekly and buy a mix of dvd and cd releases. I think the labels have moved with the time and found a way to tap into '£50 man' again. (Though this time he's more like £100 man).
I’ve not heard that phrase before ‘£50 man’ Makes sense though, I do remember a time it would be a mix of dvd and cd pick ups. Not sure how CD prices sit now to be in the equation… but even then, with the range and prices of the new releases coming out, I’m sure you’re right that it’s inflated. There’s loads of the boutique labels now too. All tapping into the market as best they can. UK has 7 or 8 and then there’s also the ones overseas for import. That growing list of endless limited releases from boutique labels can be difficult to navigate of folks are trying to collect all they can.
All good films deserve a quality 4K release, American Pie included. That said I can probably think of say 300 films I'd buy before that. Themroc, someone somewhere needs to get that on blu-ray or 4K, Masters of the Universe is among the very worst in the long history of Canon fodder, a catalogue that has long since been cherry picked by other labels. I don't know why anyone would pay more than a £1 for it, even on blu-ray. That said I'd love a region B compatible blu-ray or 4K of Michael Winner's remake of the Wicked Lady, a film missing in action here in the UK since the days of VHS.
I’m just not sure American Pie is going to massively benefit from a 4k HDR. I’m sure they might prove me wrong. Shouldnt really judge until I’ve seen results. It’s amazing that so many still haven’t escaped VHS. Not sure they all need the full 4k limited treatment but a basic dvd or Blu ray edition. I mean, I’ve seen studios / distributors use a print on demand type of process… not sure why that sort of thing isn’t more common place for those that want a particular little known title. Surely more cost effective rather than doing a big print run ?!
I love nice collectors editions and they help reinforce my enthusiasm for the films I love. I don’t think the problem is that the boutique labels release the titles that they do. It’s more a case of the price point, they keep getting dearer and that will drive some collectors away. I like some low budget niche films. They have more charm than most of the big budget mainstream carbon copy movies. Although admittedly yes some are just plain old rubbish. I think it’s great boutique labels exist for their demographic of collectors. At the end of the day no one is forcing us to buy anything. I think sometimes people on both sides of the discussion get too prissy and criticise too much. We can all buy what we like. Having access and options is key. Limited Editions need to get lost though. Why can’t these editions be collectors editions that are always available beside standard editions. Brilliant topic and video. I though I’d write an essay 😂
I welcome the essays ! Yeah, I have no issue with the boutique labels releasing the more niche stuff at all. It’s more how they’re releasing them (in the ‘limited’ form)and the fact that some collectors just seem to be in that pattern of grabbing each and every limited title just for the sake of that label… it becomes more a case of competition with who has the most or biggest collection over actually sitting and enjoying the movie. It gets to be a very costly game of ‘Keeping up with the Joneses’. But to be fair… all across history there’s always been that thing of ownership and showing off one’s goods.
@@PhillwithadoubleL True words man true words. I completely agree with that 👍 some people just feel the need to flex. Pointless really, it’s all about sharing discoveries. I’m an avid collector but I don’t understand the point of being competitive. Have a great weekend Phill. I’ll check out Wreck that show you’re in soon. I’ve been meaning to watch it.
Can't believe how 88 Films have grown from a tiny two men, a cellphone and laptop using Starbucks as an office to heirs apparent to the once untouchable Arrow Video, and unlike Arrow Video they didn't have the support of Arrow Films 20 (now around 35) years of experience and millions of £s of assets as Britain's biggest independent cinematic distributor and DVD label (indeed most early AV releases were simply rebranded AF acquisition, a trick they're still playing with the forthcoming Withnail & I UHD)
I think it’s great what they’ve managed to achieved to be fair to them. There are a couple of labels really sticking it to Arrow at the moment. Still want to know what happened to a number of titles we’ve seen advertised by arrow in the past or it has been strongly rumoured to be happening. I remember postcards for Desperado / Fistful of fingers and The Frighteners doing the rounds. Been waiting… possibly years for them
If I already own a movie even on DVD I don't upgrade... If I have it on BR I don't upgrade to 4k... And yes I have Barwire on VHS 😂😂.. no need to upgrade
🙌🏼🙌🏼 I was sucked into the consumer machine and mostly replaced my dvd on to Blu ray where possible. Want to break the cycle and pull back from the constant upgrades. I no longer have a single VHS. Not even as a collector item 😱
I am after: IT Follows, Green Room by second sight as i enjoyed both those films but i wont pay £40 for a release just as it has some lobby cards in it and £25 for a std release that has the same features as any other modern 4K UHD release that sells for £19.99 or less. To me a limited etd price point is only justified if it includes a poster, lobby cards, book essays and a hardback / steel case and tonnes of extras on the disc .. otherwise its a standard 4K UHD to me.
I just went in for the standard release of It Follows, I think it dropped in one of their sales. May go for Green Room when that hits a sale but it’ll be for the standard edition because i just don’t get use of all the extra printed stuff in a limited edition. It has to be a real special movie now for me to fork out the premium for limited. Do love that second sight has the option of the standard on release though.
@@PhillwithadoubleL Agree. I am a sucker for movie posters, i have 5x full size ones in my man cave room on display, for some older movies the Ltd etd's are the only way to get a affordable copy in 2024 thats not cheaply printed from Etsy. Ill get the second sight films if they drop (std ver) to £20 or less.
Haha, yep. In truth. Same. I just need to not be sucked into too much of the crap myself. I’m like a frickin magpie at times to those hard box limited editions.
For me, if I like the movie a lot and can get the limited edition I will, unless its stupidly overpriced then its "thank you, but no." But not many I would get.
I certainly don’t think that everything needs such big limited editions. Certainly not at the price point they seem to be marking a lot at. I’ll still go limited for some but now, it tends to have to be a really special movie to me.
@@PhillwithadoubleL I agree with you that not everything needs a limited edition. I'll just pick and choose out of the films that I like. After The Crow, I can't see myself buying any other limited edition unless they do something for Logan, but I already have the 4k steelbook so it would need to be a directors cut or something worth paying for again.
@@MrMRoboto1 there are still quite a few I’d 100% go in for a limited for. Just going to be more selective either way which ones I do go for the upgrade on. I don’t need everything to be in a limited form.
@@PhillwithadoubleL Id probably go for the limited edition big trouble in little china to be honest. I missed out on escape from new york and the thing LE, mainly because I did not have a 4k player at the time. Ill be happy with the standard editions, when I decide to upgrade from blu ray. Already done so with the thing.
@@MrMRoboto1 I’d love a nice edition of Grosse Pointe Blank. Panic room still needs an upgrade from DVD. Most of Peter Jackson’s works I’ve been waiting on after hearing he was working on restorations. I’ll still keep spending money on some titles. Purely because I love the movies.
I LOVE the original Mario Bros movie and I know there aren't many who do. And to see the first drop sell out so quickly, the second drop on preorder and so many copies on resale sites...my jaw is on the floor.
It’s ‘Almost Unreal’ isn’t it (see what I did there ?). I just hope actual fans don’t miss out over the folks who will only be collecting for the limited edition / resale value or boutique label.
@@SecretOfMonkeyIsland784 I actually have / had it on Blu ray (couldn’t find it when I was looking for this video). It was a standard uk release. IF it stays in my collection it’ll be one that I doubt I’ll upgrade to the newer bigger version.
I have no interest in upgrading american pie from dvd even. I loved Mario Brothers and my old dvds has that little box in the screen now so I would have liked to upgrade it but not for those prices. He-Man I have zero interest in. I loved the cartoon but the film was dissapointing to me when it came out and I doubt it aged any better. At least mario had John L, Bob H, and Mojo :)
I keep thinking of showing Masters of the Universe and Super Mario Bros to my kids. Just to see what their reactions to them are. Especially Mario as they both loved the recent animated movie.
I absolutely agree, content is king….but sometimes a nice presentation goes along way, I’m but no means tempted by films I’m not interested in (like Zombie Dinosaurs In Space 4 for example, even if it is released on a limited run by a boutique label) and more often than not, I would just buy a standard amaray release anyway. I’m certainly not interested in upgrading a title I already own (I have the original release of Vertical Limit and I’ll stick with that) the word limited can really have a negative effect on people. Nice one Phill, take care mate👍😃👍
I do like the boutique labels. When they get the right titles the efforts either the picture and content is there and usually worth looking at as an upgrade or purchase if you care for the movie. I think that’s the key that a lot miss… if you care for the movie. That tends to get over shadowed by the label and the limited nature. I had the release of vertical limit. Couldn’t find it to use or show in the video. If I still can’t find it when I look again…. I’m not sure I’d bother replacing 🤪 I’ve been buying more standards that limited recently. Do love that second sight give that immediate release of a standard edition alongside the limited so at least we get that immediate choice.
@@bumpersmovies speaking of ridiculous titles. I once picked up a movie randomly called ‘Inbred Redneck Alien Invasion’ 🤷🏼♂️ I watched about a minute. Turned it off, sold it. I’m an idiot.
Whilst I agree with most of this such as Tremors 2 etc - Films such as Super Mario & Masters of the Universe hit a massive nostalgia button with a certian age group - that for years have wanted to see whatever they can for those movies when typically they have been starved of extra features etc as the studios see them as a commercial failure and no longer support them via frequent releases. The Ltd edition moniker is often used to drive sales to target those who suffer from FOMO - and it seems to be working well so far! Mario Bros was such a success that Umbrella are now printing more for sale that arent "Ltd"!
I had Super Mario on VHS… and then Blu Ray. Pretty much the same with Masters of the Universe. Absolutely hits that nostalgia I suppose it’s just amazing to me that after a long time of seemingly being ‘the only one’ with such poor movie choices of those around me… jumping from that dirty little secret to being movies that sell out quickly… it perhaps just feels a big leap to me, and it makes me wonder if some of the folks buying are buying for the nostalgia or for the label. Limited edition really does hit that FOMO doesn’t it… if only all the labels followed Second Sights example and released a standard edition along side that limited.
@@RetroReels I think there are. I’ve found a lot more like minded folks on here in the last year than I’ve discovered locally or across social media platforms. I watch bad films, I collect bad films (and some good ones). We all know they’re bad. But at least we can back each other up and say…. “Yeah, you know what, it was sh!t, but I can see your reason for liking it”
Hi Phill, its easy to get caught up in collector mania. I've started buying the old blu ray versions for some films (mostly blind buys) when they get a boutique release. For example i recently picked up Green Room and Possessor for £10 instead of the new Second Sight releases which would have totalled £36. If its a film i love i don't mind paying out on it but I won't get caught up in the Super Marios Brothers hype. I'm mostly too sensible tho 😀
Mostly 😂 Collector mania is very real isn’t it. I think you do the right thing in trying to check out the standard releases pre dropping £25+ on a limited I already had Green Room on Blu Ray that was imported a while ago. Not sure I need a limited edition or a new standard release for it. I really enjoyed the film but don’t feel like I want to dig into the extras or that I need a rescanned version for the improvement on picture. It can stay as that older standard release for now I think.
Yeah it’s gonna have its fans. I’m just amazed at its sell out numbers. I really should give it a try. I won’t be trying to pay the premium for a limited release of it though. I’ll rent digitally or even consider a cheap dvd to check it out… if ever I do.
Yeah these Boutique labels have Hooked people. I do see releases coming and have to question ‘Why’ ? Yes I did get Barb Wire ( I quite enjoy it - but I have the Comicbook background nostalgia for it ) but it certainly isn’t a film warranting a release such as it had. And you mention American Pie 4K. I really like the movie and some of its theatrical sequels but a 4K limited edition won’t make me laugh any more. I think this kind of market is certainly the future of physical media. But it comes to a point where if everything is marketed this way , the ‘Special’ doesn’t apply. Used to be steelbooks were considered special - now practically the norm - these will go the same way ☝️
It’s no surprise that Barb Wire has its fans, I completely see reasons why. It just amazes me the sell out levels these things get to. I imagine some actual fans may miss out because this is limited and seemingly a must own because of its limited status. I worry that collectors are just buying things for the label or limited and these things are picked up for the sake of it over the want of it. I love the American Pie movies. It could probably have had a nice little clean up and re release but a 4k sparkle… 🤷🏼♂️ I think the boutique labels will be the future of physical media releasing when the studios open up a little more to the leasing options. I just hope they can find a happy medium between something needing a special edition and things just needing a nice standard release.
Well good thing I don’t go down that rabbit hole when it comes to boutique movie labels except if there’s movie I like I’ll go get it (For example, I like to get two Gamera movie box sets from arrow since I’m big fan of Kaiju monster movies) and one thing, you have a blu-ray version of Masters of the Universe(since I have a DVD version and have watched it)sometimes it’s always good to have something for nostalgia reasons,well that’s my take on it 😊
@@lippmb78 absolutely. I think it’s important to have that nostalgia in your collection. Just not sure they’re all worth the £40+ for an imported limited edition over the basic edition unless you’re a real big fan. If you truly love the movies then anything is worth being in your collection for those particular movies. If it’s of passing interest or you fancy giving it a try… there’s really no need to go for them purely because they’re limited from a boutique label. I’m sure it doesn’t help my opinion that I remember a few of these films and their reception which I think is what amazes me when I see them selling out now that they’re in limited form.
Very pleased with Barb Wire I just like the best edition of a film. I enjoy it. It's not about labels for me. I couldn't care less about who releases it as long as it a nice transfer. As long as I enjoy the movie I feel like I'm getting something extra to compliment it, no point buying limited editions of films you don't enjoy, that's just crazy and actually is selfish to those who like the ,movie and want the best edition they can get but stopped but others because they have to collect everything or saclpers trying to make a profit, sickening and disgusting behaviour 😠
@@MattVs_Movies scalpers are the worst. I see them advertising pre orders at their inflated prices because they’ve snapped up stock quickly. Bewildering how they manage it so often. 100% if you enjoy the movie then get the best edition if you so choose.
I like your videos but because you cover the pitfalls of collecting you get a lot of normies/streamers instead of collectors. I thought it'd be cool to own Barb wire. But I just got the $5 Blu-ray and I still need to finish. I'm fine with American pie and it's sequels on DVD I thought maybe I might go to Blu-ray one day. I have mastered the universe on Blu-ray there's no reason to get another edition. Except I do really like the new artwork.
I got the American Pie movies on Blu ray, got a set with just the theatrical releases (don’t think I need those direct to dvd spin offs) I keep trying not to get swayed too much by artwork. The way I keep my collection, I’d only ever really see the spine.
When are people gonna realize the only thing limited is the packaging and we used to throw the packaging away 😂
I can’t see the sales of the limited editions slowing down any time soon either.
I have the notion that a lot of people buying movies for the fancy packaging.
And some of that packaging is nice and fancy too. Shame all we generally see of these fancy packages is the spine… although a few folks do have nicer displays for ‘some’ of their titles.
Here's something for you. I already have a fund set aside for a boxset that may not even come into existence. 😂
If Criterion ever get round to releasing a bluray/4K version of their Kurosawa boxset there's not a chance in hell i will be missing it.
My favourite director ever!
(Just found & subbed to your channel)
@@Primo420 to be honest… that’s a pretty great idea. Have that money ready so it isn’t too traumatic to the bank account. You know if it arrives it won’t be a cheap one.
Thank you for the sub ✌🏼
I think that maybe part of it is people trust the label, especially for films that are lesser known , it's like a seal of approval from the label saying that "ohh yes this movie is good and worth a watch" not necessarily because it's a limited edition, or that's what makes sense to me anyways
Yeah there certainly is a level of trust involved to some extent. I think I couple of labels are potentially losing the trust a little but there certainly are those ‘dependable’ labels that have earned a level of trust of trust. Criterion and the Eureka masters of cinema series certainly have a very loyal following
Im happy buying movies for £1(ish) a go on bluray.
The markets gone for it so enjoy the firesale, ignore the moneygrab shenanigans.
So many movies on blu out there that are impossible/difficult on streaming.
Not to mention blu is £1ish and buying it digital (if possible) is £5/10.
Collectors editions are just siphoning the last bit of cash from the physical market.
Ie the last few pay premium because the majority moved on
I want to check out some car boot sales now the UK weather is picking up. Just to see what kinda prices Blu ray are going for on those. Between charity shops / car boot sales and CEX. There are certainly some bargains to be had if you’re not swayed by the limited shenanigans.
I do enjoy some limited editions but it’s mainly for the extra features. But… they do come at a cost.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens in a few years time. I don’t see younger generations being as interested in that ownerships of this kind of media. I certainly don’t see it either my kids.
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The magpie sells 90% of their BluRays in their 4 for £5 or 4 for £8, and that's delivered to your door.
£1/2 has become the normal, with plenty cheaper to get rid of them.
Been meaning to get to the car boots as well, it's the early starts and the effort to get to them, awkward places, that puts me off.
Done a couple times and were a waste of time those times
@@johnnycarrotheid last car boot I went to early last year was disappointing for movie & game hunting. Havent been to another since… but that urge is back again now.
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Exact same with the games and movies.
Also some didn't know car boot sales were supposed to be cheap lol.
People asking for some proper silly prices 😂
I just got into buying physical media again and have been wondering the same thing. Truly terrible movies are getting the limited edition or 4k treatment but there are movies that I would love to get on 4k or anyK like “El Incidente” from 2014, and I’m sure many people would turn their noses up at my dream buys
I don’t know if they’d turn their noses up… if Arrow released it and called it a limited edition I’m sure it would sell well.
Some of these movies have found an audience, even though they bombed. I am glad there are boutique labels catering to niche schlock and that they seem to be successful. "We" are not a monolith, after all.
The thing that sticks out to me with some of these editions is that thrill of chasing the limited edition over the want of seeing the movie.
I do like that they’re finding an audience but I question if collectors are always enjoying the content or if it’s more about accumulating the labels releases.
@@PhillwithadoubleL yes I can see there may be some folk who will want it out of collector mentality, and some boutique labels may be counting on that to make the proposition profitable in the first place. Even if I think it is potentially unhealthy to collect for the sake of it, I suppose I would like to thank anyone who subsidised out of FOMO any otherwise unviable release on behalf of those who truly wanted it
Hey Phill, I don't collect movies, but I do collect Sports cards and memorabilia. Your series on the mindset of collecting and how you've analysed your own habits has been both entertaining and helpful in assessing my own collecting and my priorities. I think it all comes back to quality over quantity. And only collecting what I love. There's never an end point for this, and that's a hard pill to swallow because I think as collectors we become obsessed with completing. And the chase. But your videos have helped me focus on what truly matters and what kind of collection I want to have from. Thank you for the insight and entertainment, and may your collection bring you more joy and less stress. Cheers from Melbourne.
Hey, thanks for commenting.
Wow, that brings my joy that my videos have reached collectors across other mediums and I’m glad you have taken some value from my ramblings about my own collection and struggles.
It’s still fun to collect, I love it. But I’m getting to the point that I’m happier limiting it down to just the things I truly love and care about over what the groups tell me that I should care about.
Do it for you.
Thank you for sharing.
And wow, Melbourne… that’s gotta be a late night for you out there ? Are you… from the future ? It’s still 10th April here.
@@PhillwithadoubleL It was indeed. Caught me right at 1 am! Hope to catch your live streams one day when they're more Aussie friendly 😂. Looking forward to more videos from you and all the best!
Good video. You are right. Yet I am a Vinegar Syndrome subscriber. 98-99% of their titles I normally wouldn't have given the time of day otherwise. Surprisingly I enjoy most of them and their packaging is second to none.
Yeah, the vinegar syndrome packages are generally superb. And the great thing is. If you’re not bothered about a particular title then they tend to hold their prices well if you decided to sell.
Glad you manage to get some of them watched, part of my worry with collecting is the time to actually sit and enjoy. At the moment it feels next to impossible to take in everything I want to.
Brilliant video mate, Tremors 2 is a fantastic example of polishing a turd 😊 the worst bit is that people champion them as great movies when these re releases come about, I don't know if that's what they tell themselves to justify buying the movie or what.
Same with super mario bros, Umbrella had to push more copies to meet demand, I mean WTF.
Keep up the good work bro, loving the content.
Glad you enjoyed the video 🙌🏼
I’ve been guilty of buying crap for the collection because of the label. So many arrow titles that… I just got carried away with.
The Tremors 2 one really does confuse me. I’m not saying I didn’t kinda enjoy it. But, 4k limited. Haha.
Also, I know I have or had a copy of Super Mario Brothers somewhere on Blu ray from a previous release. I’m prob one of the guilty ones that encouraged this kinda behaviour.
Dude, love all the tremors but I don't need limited editions.
Phill i dont get this Chinatown coming soon plus Two Jakes, but today announced by Warner Bros for £45 North by Northwest
only seen it once but £45 is too much, and why not a cheaper version, with not so much stuff, we never asked for.
Hopefully there will also be a standard edition of North by North-west. They just seem to milk the limited edition label for all its worth before they produce the standard release.
Adding that ‘premium’ content which probably costs them pennies (mostly the printed materials and box) but costs the consumer around an extra £20… it’s ridiculous isn’t it.
Only ones I've invested in is the crow. So lucky for me this isn't an issue but you do make some valid points
I’m trying to hang off from The Crow for now. Gonna go for a standard edition when it drops onto an offer. Think I got burnout from buying things full price and then seeing them drop after a couple of months.
@@PhillwithadoubleL totally agree I think the crow is the first movie I've reordered brought in released for at least 3/4 years
I don’t think it matters. Something might be a joke to some but most of these are cult films
I assume the fans love it, I know I do. I don’t hoard, I only buy what I love. Huge fan of the tremors 2 box too, one of my favorite sequels ever
Pretty good point when you think about it, it's like they almost have us balls and we buy the new shiny thing the moment they announce it. I've bought some stuff because of the label and not the movie, but i try to be rational now days and it works... most of time. If it's something that i love and want, then give me all the bells and whistles but i stick to regular or just skip the once that don't interest me that much or at all.
I’m (trying) to get into the same mindset. I have the occasional slip but generally I’ve been a little more patient recently and just had that standard edition instead. But… if it’s something I truly care about then yeah. I’ll get the best edition I can, the one with all the printed crap in the package that I’ll never use 😐
I get what you're saying and I agree the boutique labels know how to work the wannabe RUclips famous delusionals out there to shill their bs films! Before I buy any film I check my hard drives for the film. If I wouldn't even waste bandwidth on the film back in the day why the hell would I want it on Blu-ray! 😅
You NEED it on Blu ray because it’s limited and [insert boutique label name] are releasing it 😂
I tried to find my Blu ray of vertical limit for this video. I care for it that much that I couldn’t find it. Can’t remember if I sold it or not. That’s how important this title is. What a must own it has to be… even with 88 Films releasing it.
No need to gather everything. When I think back to some of the box sets released… baffling (I’m looking at you Anaconda collection)
I watch the movie on tubi. If I like it a lot I want to own it. You don't sound like much of a collector if you only watch movies you downloaded years ago. I discover new cult classics all the time...
When I was a little girl, I didn’t like dolls, but my grandmother would buy me Barbies anyway thinking I would like to collect them. Now, as an adult, I cannot help buying different editions of the same movie. I love watching the spines on my collection. Those gorgeous slipcovers by Vinegar Syndrome, those digibooks by Turbine, they are a boost of serotonin. I guess it is some sort of emotional void I got from refusing to play with and collect Barbies when I was a kid 😂🙈
Do you still have the Barbies ?
I’m trying to avoid the different editions now. When space is becoming an issue, I need to be mindful about reasons for duplicating (for my own collection anyway).
People who buy limited edition treat it as a baseball card collection, they just look at it and think that it will pay for their kids college in ten years. I was fooled too. Bought box sets that were limited, sat on my shelf and then resold them at fraction of what I paid for. I'm done. I even went as far as buying a dollar dvd over the blu--ray because I will only watch the movie once.
It’s like the figures and collectibles. Everyone remembers how valuable those old Star Wars figures became… now collecting and keeping stuff in the chance it could be worth something in the future.. sad thing is, there’s nothing you can do to predict what May or may not become valuable.
It’s a waste collecting for investment when there’s so many re releases / new editions that affect the prices. Seen so many movies and box set plummet in value because of this.
@@PhillwithadoubleL I still have my physical media collection but a very small one (maybe 200) Plus I don't have the anxiety of so much looking at me and the need to take the time to watch all this. I feel better and saving money. But I don't want to criticize people for their own enjoyment. To each his own.
I watch movies more than once. I buy very few limited editions of my favorite movies. I would never buy them to resell them. If you were doing it for that reason then you're not really a movie collector in my opinion. I have movies worth $50 I won't sell. Occasionally, a movie will go up in value and I'll sell it if I don't care for it much and I have a dvd too.
@@MentalDeviant I’ve got some movies in my collection like that. Worth quite a lot but there’s no chance I’ll sell. If I love the movie then no way I’m getting rid. I’ve even got some old DVDs still that seem to be going up in value.
I’ve never bought any of these boutique/niche labels. I usually buy standard release DVD, Blu ray/4K. I like everything to look the same. Whereas, these limited edition sets, are different sizes 😅 my OCD hates it. Along with steelbooks for Blu ray/4K, they’re bigger cases than standard releases!!
In honesty, some of these labels are great and do treat the film and extras with respect for the most part.
If you love the movie, they’re worth looking at for the extra content if you’re into learning more about the movie and process…
But I understand the need for the uniformity in your collection. Thankfully some boutique labels do have the standard editions which fit in more with the traditional collection and often with the same extras. Worth a look depending on your interest in the extra features on a particular movie)
I get it can be difficult On the shelf. But I'm the opposite. I miss the old limited DVD. That's what I love about the boutique labels. First grade original packaging and artwork. Plus I own all the mainstream movies except new ones.
What I don't get is why would you buy a movie and not even take it out of the wrapping. If you watched that movie many times and don't consider it that important to even check the transfer or the extras... why buy it in the first place? I only buy the movies that mean something to me and that I know I'll rewatch several times. Only my absolute favorites, everything else can be streamed.
It’s the addiction pattern that I was in. I can’t explain the impulse to behave that way with what I was buying. The high of ordering and receiving was an addiction and it didn’t matter if I didn’t have the time… I just wanted that thing.
It’s a habit I’m working on breaking.
@@PhillwithadoubleL Sometimes I also get tempted, but I always try to be careful and think it through for a couple of days before buying something (my whishlist on amazon and Arrow have like 40 items in total, I found that having a movie in a whishlist for a while sometimes helps me decide if I really want it or if I was caught on the FOMO). Also I tend to chose the regular editions instead of the special/limited editions, since my shelf space is limited.
once I found out about these boutique labels, I checked them out, and had to look hard to find something that I've actually heard of, then to find something I remember fondly.
There are some nice discoveries to be made from the boutique labels. But, a lot now come at a price and the ‘great’ movies from them can be few and far between at times.
Yes look at UK Arrow releases ... most of them are just trash films, USA Arrow generally gets the better releases, we have had a few but not many. Seriously who is buying 'Behind Convent Walls' read the room Arrow we want decent films as limited etd.
Will the boutique labels cater to non normies. And horror fans. Part of the fun is discovering new movies. Watching him on Tubi. And then owning the Blu-ray. The whole point is they don't only have mainstream titles. Now they have put out a few. Now companies like vinegar syndrome are trying to preserve cult classics.
Why do I really want a copy of Pumpkinhead Steelbook, even tho I've seen it and it's free on Prime atm...Why???
What if they remove it from streaming Ozzy… what if ?!
What will you do then…
AND if you’re getting a copy to sit on your shelf. Why got a normal copy when it can be a limited Steelbook sat gathering dust. Just think of the investment as it’s sat on your shelf gathering dust because you’re rewatching on Prime.
Fear of missing out.
Well, pumpkin head is a classic creature flick about revenge... But I guess you're not a physical media collector....If you don't collect creature flicks don't buy it. Now I have the Blu-ray and don't need to upgrade.
Yes, it’s hugely psychological. Tremors 2 is a fantastic example-it’s not a bad film, has its fans, and has been widely available for years.
But when you see Arrow putting out a deluxe 4K version, you stop and wonder why they’d go through the time, money and effort to do it. Is the movie actually a more worthy film than you’ve perceived it to be all these years? It’s available on all the Tremors multi packs, so for Arrow to do this, it must be very special, right?
I’m sure there are those who have dreamt of having the best possible presentation of Tremors 2 in their library. But was the demand really that high? People who just weren’t satisfied with the blu ray editions and were willing to pay triple the price for it?
I enjoyed Tremors 2 for what it was… a direct to dvd sequel. After they did the first 3 direct to dvd sequels… No one was really interested for many years. It even had the tv show that went nowhere.
It here was a slight resurgence with the newer direct to dvd sequels but absolute zero to indicate than enough people out there were begging for a new upgrade special edition of ANY of the sequels. It amazes me where these fans suddenly appear from… I’d seen the multi movie sets of tremors being sold off cheap. Nobody was interested. 🤷🏼♂️
Bang a label and limited edition on it. Slap it in a hard box and suddenly 💥
Keep in mind these sell outs are of smaller print runs, mostly between 2-5k, I think Tremors 2 sold 6-8k. I do agree a lot of the sales are because of an Arrow Umbrella putting out a limited packaging 4k. I stopped falling for it cause I have a limited budget and I'm fine waiting for the same disc content in a standard case at a cheaper price. It's rare that an Arrow limited contains additional on disc content, and I'm usually not bothered by missing an extra or 2 I may never get to anyway. I will defend Tremors 2 and Super Mario bros as films, I'm a bit younger than you and grew up with both and have always liked them. I think they're entertaining and I think it's cool how much Mario Bros departed from its source material to be something unique and not overly kid friendly. Tremors 2 in the US was a video store and pay/premium movie/cable channel staple for those of us 30s-50s, nostalgia is strong but I'm waiting for the standard.
I already own Tremors 2 and Super Mario Bros 😂😂 yeah , you’re right though. They have their fans and a heap of nostalgia. With Super Mario, I have a basic edition and won’t be going in for the more pricey import. The movie only will do me just fine. If I can ever find it again.
Was in HMV oxford street before Easter and was amazed about the range of these limited editions by the labels you mention. When i worked for the chain the late 90s early 2000s the target customer was called '£50 man' - and basically would come in weekly and buy a mix of dvd and cd releases. I think the labels have moved with the time and found a way to tap into '£50 man' again. (Though this time he's more like £100 man).
I’ve not heard that phrase before ‘£50 man’
Makes sense though, I do remember a time it would be a mix of dvd and cd pick ups.
Not sure how CD prices sit now to be in the equation… but even then, with the range and prices of the new releases coming out, I’m sure you’re right that it’s inflated.
There’s loads of the boutique labels now too. All tapping into the market as best they can.
UK has 7 or 8 and then there’s also the ones overseas for import. That growing list of endless limited releases from boutique labels can be difficult to navigate of folks are trying to collect all they can.
He's called a collector...
All good films deserve a quality 4K release, American Pie included. That said I can probably think of say 300 films I'd buy before that. Themroc, someone somewhere needs to get that on blu-ray or 4K,
Masters of the Universe is among the very worst in the long history of Canon fodder, a catalogue that has long since been cherry picked by other labels. I don't know why anyone would pay more than a £1 for it, even on blu-ray. That said I'd love a region B compatible blu-ray or 4K of Michael Winner's remake of the Wicked Lady, a film missing in action here in the UK since the days of VHS.
I’m just not sure American Pie is going to massively benefit from a 4k HDR. I’m sure they might prove me wrong. Shouldnt really judge until I’ve seen results.
It’s amazing that so many still haven’t escaped VHS. Not sure they all need the full 4k limited treatment but a basic dvd or Blu ray edition. I mean, I’ve seen studios / distributors use a print on demand type of process… not sure why that sort of thing isn’t more common place for those that want a particular little known title. Surely more cost effective rather than doing a big print run ?!
I love nice collectors editions and they help reinforce my enthusiasm for the films I love. I don’t think the problem is that the boutique labels release the titles that they do. It’s more a case of the price point, they keep getting dearer and that will drive some collectors away. I like some low budget niche films. They have more charm than most of the big budget mainstream carbon copy movies. Although admittedly yes some are just plain old rubbish. I think it’s great boutique labels exist for their demographic of collectors. At the end of the day no one is forcing us to buy anything. I think sometimes people on both sides of the discussion get too prissy and criticise too much. We can all buy what we like. Having access and options is key. Limited Editions need to get lost though. Why can’t these editions be collectors editions that are always available beside standard editions. Brilliant topic and video. I though I’d write an essay 😂
I welcome the essays !
Yeah, I have no issue with the boutique labels releasing the more niche stuff at all. It’s more how they’re releasing them (in the ‘limited’ form)and the fact that some collectors just seem to be in that pattern of grabbing each and every limited title just for the sake of that label… it becomes more a case of competition with who has the most or biggest collection over actually sitting and enjoying the movie. It gets to be a very costly game of ‘Keeping up with the Joneses’. But to be fair… all across history there’s always been that thing of ownership and showing off one’s goods.
@@PhillwithadoubleL True words man true words. I completely agree with that 👍 some people just feel the need to flex. Pointless really, it’s all about sharing discoveries. I’m an avid collector but I don’t understand the point of being competitive. Have a great weekend Phill. I’ll check out Wreck that show you’re in soon. I’ve been meaning to watch it.
Can't believe how 88 Films have grown from a tiny two men, a cellphone and laptop using Starbucks as an office to heirs apparent to the once untouchable Arrow Video, and unlike Arrow Video they didn't have the support of Arrow Films 20 (now around 35) years of experience and millions of £s of assets as Britain's biggest independent cinematic distributor and DVD label (indeed most early AV releases were simply rebranded AF acquisition, a trick they're still playing with the forthcoming Withnail & I UHD)
I think it’s great what they’ve managed to achieved to be fair to them. There are a couple of labels really sticking it to Arrow at the moment.
Still want to know what happened to a number of titles we’ve seen advertised by arrow in the past or it has been strongly rumoured to be happening.
I remember postcards for Desperado / Fistful of fingers and The Frighteners doing the rounds. Been waiting… possibly years for them
Limited edition is a scam for me. Is has always limited number of copies, its has much higher price and it plays on our emotions - FOMO.
100% FOMO.
None of these titles I mentioned should have sold out like they did. Fancy box and limited numbers and everyone loses their minds.
If I already own a movie even on DVD I don't upgrade... If I have it on BR I don't upgrade to 4k... And yes I have Barwire on VHS 😂😂.. no need to upgrade
🙌🏼🙌🏼 I was sucked into the consumer machine and mostly replaced my dvd on to Blu ray where possible. Want to break the cycle and pull back from the constant upgrades.
I no longer have a single VHS. Not even as a collector item 😱
No need to upgrade that movie for sure but I've upgraded my all-time favorite movies like road warrior from DVD to Blu-ray to 4K. And no regrets.
I am after: IT Follows, Green Room by second sight as i enjoyed both those films but i wont pay £40 for a release just as it has some lobby cards in it and £25 for a std release that has the same features as any other modern 4K UHD release that sells for £19.99 or less. To me a limited etd price point is only justified if it includes a poster, lobby cards, book essays and a hardback / steel case and tonnes of extras on the disc .. otherwise its a standard 4K UHD to me.
I just went in for the standard release of It Follows, I think it dropped in one of their sales.
May go for Green Room when that hits a sale but it’ll be for the standard edition because i just don’t get use of all the extra printed stuff in a limited edition. It has to be a real special movie now for me to fork out the premium for limited. Do love that second sight has the option of the standard on release though.
@@PhillwithadoubleL Agree. I am a sucker for movie posters, i have 5x full size ones in my man cave room on display, for some older movies the Ltd etd's are the only way to get a affordable copy in 2024 thats not cheaply printed from Etsy. Ill get the second sight films if they drop (std ver) to £20 or less.
Hope peeps keep buying the crap to support the good releases I pick up... 😅
Haha, yep. In truth. Same. I just need to not be sucked into too much of the crap myself.
I’m like a frickin magpie at times to those hard box limited editions.
For me, if I like the movie a lot and can get the limited edition I will, unless its stupidly overpriced then its "thank you, but no." But not many I would get.
I certainly don’t think that everything needs such big limited editions. Certainly not at the price point they seem to be marking a lot at.
I’ll still go limited for some but now, it tends to have to be a really special movie to me.
@@PhillwithadoubleL I agree with you that not everything needs a limited edition. I'll just pick and choose out of the films that I like. After The Crow, I can't see myself buying any other limited edition unless they do something for Logan, but I already have the 4k steelbook so it would need to be a directors cut or something worth paying for again.
@@MrMRoboto1 there are still quite a few I’d 100% go in for a limited for.
Just going to be more selective either way which ones I do go for the upgrade on. I don’t need everything to be in a limited form.
@@PhillwithadoubleL Id probably go for the limited edition big trouble in little china to be honest. I missed out on escape from new york and the thing LE, mainly because I did not have a 4k player at the time. Ill be happy with the standard editions, when I decide to upgrade from blu ray. Already done so with the thing.
@@MrMRoboto1 I’d love a nice edition of Grosse Pointe Blank. Panic room still needs an upgrade from DVD. Most of Peter Jackson’s works I’ve been waiting on after hearing he was working on restorations.
I’ll still keep spending money on some titles. Purely because I love the movies.
I LOVE the original Mario Bros movie and I know there aren't many who do. And to see the first drop sell out so quickly, the second drop on preorder and so many copies on resale sites...my jaw is on the floor.
It’s ‘Almost Unreal’ isn’t it (see what I did there ?).
I just hope actual fans don’t miss out over the folks who will only be collecting for the limited edition / resale value or boutique label.
I watched it in the cinema as a kid, it was a terrible movie but holds nostalgia ... do i want to own it just for the nostagia (No luckily).
@@SecretOfMonkeyIsland784 I actually have / had it on Blu ray (couldn’t find it when I was looking for this video). It was a standard uk release. IF it stays in my collection it’ll be one that I doubt I’ll upgrade to the newer bigger version.
Great video phil 👌🏻🎥💿
Thanks Stuart, glad you enjoyed it 🙌🏼
I have no interest in upgrading american pie from dvd even. I loved Mario Brothers and my old dvds has that little box in the screen now so I would have liked to upgrade it but not for those prices. He-Man I have zero interest in. I loved the cartoon but the film was dissapointing to me when it came out and I doubt it aged any better. At least mario had John L, Bob H, and Mojo :)
I keep thinking of showing Masters of the Universe and Super Mario Bros to my kids. Just to see what their reactions to them are.
Especially Mario as they both loved the recent animated movie.
I absolutely agree, content is king….but sometimes a nice presentation goes along way, I’m but no means tempted by films I’m not interested in (like Zombie Dinosaurs In Space 4 for example, even if it is released on a limited run by a boutique label) and more often than not, I would just buy a standard amaray release anyway. I’m certainly not interested in upgrading a title I already own (I have the original release of Vertical Limit and I’ll stick with that) the word limited can really have a negative effect on people. Nice one Phill, take care mate👍😃👍
I do like the boutique labels. When they get the right titles the efforts either the picture and content is there and usually worth looking at as an upgrade or purchase if you care for the movie. I think that’s the key that a lot miss… if you care for the movie. That tends to get over shadowed by the label and the limited nature.
I had the release of vertical limit. Couldn’t find it to use or show in the video. If I still can’t find it when I look again…. I’m not sure I’d bother replacing 🤪
I’ve been buying more standards that limited recently. Do love that second sight give that immediate release of a standard edition alongside the limited so at least we get that immediate choice.
I need to see Zombie Dinosaurs in Space 😊
@@bumpersmovies speaking of ridiculous titles. I once picked up a movie randomly called ‘Inbred Redneck Alien Invasion’ 🤷🏼♂️
I watched about a minute. Turned it off, sold it. I’m an idiot.
Whilst I agree with most of this such as Tremors 2 etc - Films such as Super Mario & Masters of the Universe hit a massive nostalgia button with a certian age group - that for years have wanted to see whatever they can for those movies when typically they have been starved of extra features etc as the studios see them as a commercial failure and no longer support them via frequent releases. The Ltd edition moniker is often used to drive sales to target those who suffer from FOMO - and it seems to be working well so far! Mario Bros was such a success that Umbrella are now printing more for sale that arent "Ltd"!
I had Super Mario on VHS… and then Blu Ray. Pretty much the same with Masters of the Universe. Absolutely hits that nostalgia
I suppose it’s just amazing to me that after a long time of seemingly being ‘the only one’ with such poor movie choices of those around me… jumping from that dirty little secret to being movies that sell out quickly… it perhaps just feels a big leap to me, and it makes me wonder if some of the folks buying are buying for the nostalgia or for the label.
Limited edition really does hit that FOMO doesn’t it… if only all the labels followed Second Sights example and released a standard edition along side that limited.
@@PhillwithadoubleL Haha - Dirty little secret! Perhaps there are many more of us than we once thought! 🤓
@@RetroReels I think there are. I’ve found a lot more like minded folks on here in the last year than I’ve discovered locally or across social media platforms.
I watch bad films, I collect bad films (and some good ones). We all know they’re bad. But at least we can back each other up and say…. “Yeah, you know what, it was sh!t, but I can see your reason for liking it”
@@RetroReels btw… I’m still not buying a limited edition of super Mario !
@@PhillwithadoubleL I didn’t - I just picked up the standard release - disc content over tatt! 😀
If Arrow is interested, my super 8mm home movies are available for licensing
Hi Phill, its easy to get caught up in collector mania. I've started buying the old blu ray versions for some films (mostly blind buys) when they get a boutique release. For example i recently picked up Green Room and Possessor for £10 instead of the new Second Sight releases which would have totalled £36. If its a film i love i don't mind paying out on it but I won't get caught up in the Super Marios Brothers hype. I'm mostly too sensible tho 😀
Mostly 😂
Collector mania is very real isn’t it. I think you do the right thing in trying to check out the standard releases pre dropping £25+ on a limited
I already had Green Room on Blu Ray that was imported a while ago. Not sure I need a limited edition or a new standard release for it. I really enjoyed the film but don’t feel like I want to dig into the extras or that I need a rescanned version for the improvement on picture. It can stay as that older standard release for now I think.
Barb Wire is fantastic.
Yeah it’s gonna have its fans. I’m just amazed at its sell out numbers.
I really should give it a try. I won’t be trying to pay the premium for a limited release of it though. I’ll rent digitally or even consider a cheap dvd to check it out… if ever I do.
Yeah these Boutique labels have Hooked people. I do see releases coming and have to question ‘Why’ ?
Yes I did get Barb Wire ( I quite enjoy it - but I have the Comicbook background nostalgia for it ) but it certainly isn’t a film warranting a release such as it had.
And you mention American Pie 4K. I really like the movie and some of its theatrical sequels but a 4K limited edition won’t make me laugh any more.
I think this kind of market is certainly the future of physical media. But it comes to a point where if everything is marketed this way , the ‘Special’ doesn’t apply. Used to be steelbooks were considered special - now practically the norm - these will go the same way ☝️
It’s no surprise that Barb Wire has its fans, I completely see reasons why. It just amazes me the sell out levels these things get to.
I imagine some actual fans may miss out because this is limited and seemingly a must own because of its limited status.
I worry that collectors are just buying things for the label or limited and these things are picked up for the sake of it over the want of it.
I love the American Pie movies. It could probably have had a nice little clean up and re release but a 4k sparkle… 🤷🏼♂️
I think the boutique labels will be the future of physical media releasing when the studios open up a little more to the leasing options. I just hope they can find a happy medium between something needing a special edition and things just needing a nice standard release.
Well good thing I don’t go down that rabbit hole when it comes to boutique movie labels except if there’s movie I like I’ll go get it (For example, I like to get two Gamera movie box sets from arrow since I’m big fan of Kaiju monster movies) and one thing, you have a blu-ray version of Masters of the Universe(since I have a DVD version and have watched it)sometimes it’s always good to have something for nostalgia reasons,well that’s my take on it 😊
@@lippmb78 absolutely. I think it’s important to have that nostalgia in your collection. Just not sure they’re all worth the £40+ for an imported limited edition over the basic edition unless you’re a real big fan.
If you truly love the movies then anything is worth being in your collection for those particular movies.
If it’s of passing interest or you fancy giving it a try… there’s really no need to go for them purely because they’re limited from a boutique label.
I’m sure it doesn’t help my opinion that I remember a few of these films and their reception which I think is what amazes me when I see them selling out now that they’re in limited form.
Very pleased with Barb Wire I just like the best edition of a film. I enjoy it. It's not about labels for me. I couldn't care less about who releases it as long as it a nice transfer. As long as I enjoy the movie I feel like I'm getting something extra to compliment it, no point buying limited editions of films you don't enjoy, that's just crazy and actually is selfish to those who like the ,movie and want the best edition they can get but stopped but others because they have to collect everything or saclpers trying to make a profit, sickening and disgusting behaviour 😠
@@MattVs_Movies scalpers are the worst. I see them advertising pre orders at their inflated prices because they’ve snapped up stock quickly. Bewildering how they manage it so often.
100% if you enjoy the movie then get the best edition if you so choose.
I like your videos but because you cover the pitfalls of collecting you get a lot of normies/streamers instead of collectors.
I thought it'd be cool to own Barb wire. But I just got the $5 Blu-ray and I still need to finish. I'm fine with American pie and it's sequels on DVD I thought maybe I might go to Blu-ray one day. I have mastered the universe on Blu-ray there's no reason to get another edition. Except I do really like the new artwork.
I got the American Pie movies on Blu ray, got a set with just the theatrical releases (don’t think I need those direct to dvd spin offs)
I keep trying not to get swayed too much by artwork. The way I keep my collection, I’d only ever really see the spine.