Decline of PHYSICAL MEDIA | Ultimate solution studios SHOULD offer ?
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- We see the decline of physical media sales. But WE, as PHYSICAL MEDIA collectors still want to collect our Blu Ray and 4K UHDs… for the collection.
Are studios missing out on sales purely because they’re not producing the physical discs for certain movies or even in certain countries ?
I consider if there should be another option. An option which COULD see EVERY title available to purchase if the studios so choose.
Would you like more options for buying your physical media ?
Do you buy bootlegs just because there’s no official release ?
Fire off in the comments, let’s discuss…
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New Bluray editions got me into Best Buy, while there I would shop. Now I never go to best Buy, no reason to😅
Not only losing out on you purchasing physical media but everything else too… 👏🏼👏🏼
@@PhillwithadoubleL I see some of these stupid marketing decisions and scratch my head.
@@musicman8270 me too. Assuming they just replaced with the standard shop stuff rather than much of anything else 🤷🏼♂️
I did a video on this same subject quality over quantity! I want the option like you to choose which way I consume media. My wife and I are watching Band of Brothers together for the first time I have seen it several times. I bought the whole Blu-ray collection for $5 at a flea market and I was overjoyed and my wife actually loves it. Kudos to you and people like you and myself keeping physical media alive!!! Great video by the way!
I understand streaming services wanting to keep content to themselves to keep some people subscribing but… there’s gotta be an expiry date when the older titles no longer get the interest. I imagine the lifespan for high interest isn’t that long on these platforms either their new releases.
I just don’t understand why over time they don’t allow some things physically.
The market for physical content isn’t as big but surely they know that there are collectors out there that would add enough extra value through a physical purchase
A print on demand for movies would be awesome. We basically already have that for music albums, but you just print the label yourself. I doubt most people would buy the equipment necessary to do this at home, so it would need to be like RedBubble… order a movie, pick a cover, send it to the customer. Although, streaming kind of puts a damper on the idea since it’s so easy and the movie of the day is based on your acquired taste that evening. People have figured out they’re not going to watch (let’s say) ‘Titanic’ more than maybe once every year, so it’s cheaper to just stream the damn thing or buy it on a service. There would need to be some kind of gimmick or special feature that makes it worth their money. Honestly, those niche sites with collector’s edition really have the best idea. 3-D! Bring it back, but no glasses and more of a depth thing than popping out at you, convert old movies, people will buy again.
When you’re trying to complete a collection it would certainly be easier to fill the gaps if you could order like that on demand.
You put so much work into your videos. More so than any other channel discussing the sane topics. Your channel will grow fast :)
Thanks man.
I hope to put some more work into them soon. Just want to afford myself some proper editing software and see what other tricks I can use.
When it comes to buying movies and shows through streaming services that maybe good in the short term but in long term it very bad when all you have accumulated in your digital library will be gone for whatever reasons and that the things that people don’t seem to realize when streaming services are not affordable what do you do now?Which is why I trust streaming services as far as I can throw at it Thank God I still have my physical media collection!!!😇🙏❤️
@@lippmb78 the streaming services are costing more and more now too. Used to really just be Netflix. Now you’re talking 10+ different services offering exclusive content. It’s crazy.
I use digital a lot but it’s always going to be out so so for the things I care about (or both)
People didn’t stop loving physical media, people stop loving Hollywood. The recent Tool CD had massive sales and it was a physical item, not a digital download. It’s all about the audience and built-in fandom, but most franchises have lost both. So, what does Hollywood do? Sell overpriced Blu Rays to make up for the decline in numbers. They don’t fix the problem, they make it worse. Of course physical media is going to disappear completely if this crap keeps up. Duh.
There are less modern movies that I feel compelled to own. I seem to build my back catalogue more than the newer release now.
In Australia, the general consensus about Disney is they're trying to force us into using their expensive streaming service, instead of people just buying the odd Disney or Marvel movie they like. I think it also has to do with the Australian population level. Greedy corporations aren't satisfied with giving people what they want, unless they can make extreme amounts of money off us all.
2:40 If you're talking about companies burning discs, that type don't last as long as the regular stamped/cut discs currently available.
Yeah they’re all clearly fully focused on streaming for that income over selling the physical. Everything they are doing is to target people into staying on platform and constantly paying that monthly fee.
The burnt discs are more delicate but it would open up options. If they do degrade then… there’s still the option to easily replace if you really wanted / needed too.
100% We collectively need to push this video, likes, subscribes, comments. Best freaking idea since sliced bread!!!!
Yes 🙌🏼
I knew someone would see my weird logic.
@@PhillwithadoubleL It's just so obvious idk why no one has said it. It's like Pay-Per-View physically. It's the logical step of evolution.
One of the roadblocks to the economic viability of this process is that to remaster a movie is like doing post on that movie all over again. In the heyday of DVD everything could get a remaster for the world-conquering shiny disc. When blu-ray came out resources were stretched and some lazy blus were produced using the DVD master. The grading etc. on some Blu-Ray remasters actually moved the picture away from an accurate reproduction of the cinema experience and a subsequent 4K remaster moved it back (although by that time audiences used to the Blu believed the 4K was actually altering the original).
People keep saying that the future of movie physical will not be like vinyl and music and I agree. Digital music files are by convention DRM free and downloadable to an individual's storage media for archiving. The studios do not want digital to mean the same thing for movies and so digital remains a poor alternative to physical and, in the end, with fragmentation in the streaming business and licencing woes haunting all "digital purchases" (for purchase read "long-term rental at the whim of the vendor") if physical dies the studios will endure tough times.
Pre-covid I used to wield my unlimited card with pride watching a bunch of movies to "audition" them for my home shelves. Now there's barely anything I want to see at the cinema, and the scraps are becoming more measly as time goes on. Physical media and the appetite for such were key to the entertainment experience. Maybe in the future that will be a thing of the past. But I have my physical collection and I lean on it far harder than any streaming service because most of the content on streaming is mediocre pap with the odd worthwhile title every so often.
I’m finding most of the streaming movies kinda forgettable. There have been a handful I’ve enjoyed but they’re few and far between.
I think we will to some extent see the back of physical eventually. It won’t be for a while but it’ll become a more and more niche thing to have that physical edition.
I’m feeling less and less need to keep hold of a portion of my collection because of how accessible it is digitally. Sometimes I’ll watch a movie streaming because I can’t be bothered to dig out the Blu ray. Yes, streaming isn’t as good quality wise as physical but for many… it’s good enough.
It’s sad but times are changing. My kids aren’t bothered about a physical disc. Just access digitally is enough for them.
A great idea. There are so many films that I like that I’d love to have an Ultra HD Blu-ray copy of but simply don’t exist because the studio doesn’t want to risk the investment on.
Master and Commander, Lincoln, Cromwell, Kelly’s Heroes, The French Connection, Once Upon a Time in America. To name a very few.
It’s especially frustrating when the better quality copies are there and listed on the likes of iTunes or VUDU.
There’s been a few recent movies released in the uk as DVD only and yet iTunes have had the 4k listed.
I totally agree with you. It makes sense. For some reason the head bosses that control the distribution hates physical media collectors. We are a pain in the neck to them. It’s all about control. They can branch off a MOD service but they still have to pay these employees to do this and they think it’s still not worth their time and money. And going back to the first point, there are some movies that they want to shelve away for good for whatever reason and not show it ever again. Anyway that’s my opinion but I would love this option.
There’s not really a need for them to shelve anything is there. Why not open the floodgates and allow people to actually pay for these things.
I don’t think it’s increasingly silly that the streaming services seem to be keeping most of their content behind that paywall. Most of that content is pretty much just forgotten about after a few months or years. Why not allow it to live on if people want things in their collection.
Those titles, I’ve seen… they no longer affect if I keep my subscription or not. So why not after a set amount of time just get it out there ?
There’s a few older movies I have on dvd that I have HD versions of on iTunes. I’d still buy that physical if it was available. If they’re there on digital they can be burnt to disc… pretty easily
My worry is when the studios start refusing to sell the licenses to the boutique lables. Remember originally these studios didnt want to even have us have movies on VHS. They want to have complete control of when how and where we watch these films. Its starting to go back when they owned the theaters back in the day where they had complete control. This is where its going again. But instead of theaters now its the streaming services they own. You have to remember its about control for them. They want you not owning but having to come to them for a monthly fee. Next you will see with these streaming service's you will see a point system. Mark my words. Where it wont be unlimited, but like Audible where you get a set point base and each tv show or movie cost a certin amount. If you run out no worrys just pay more. Thats where this is headed. Why I buy while I can physical while I still can.
Yeah, I’m in with physical for those movies that I care about. Interesting concept for the service like Audible but for movies, I could see that being a possibility.
print on demand is a good idea. Hovewer there can be problems with delivery to some locations in the world. Another question is quality control - will they quarantee us a good quality of discs?
Yeah, think some locations would struggle to get access still… as they do now.
In terms of a quality control… really no idea, didn’t think that far ahead. I’m sure there would be something in place of it was run by a reputable company.
Ultimately, it all comes down to rights. As we see with lots of releases, music changed, scenes edited etc. The list is exhaustive.
As a fan of Baywatch, Germany is the only country to have released all seasons 1-9, Hawaii season 1&2 and the spin off Baywatch Nights on DVD. They are also completely uncut, with the correct as broadcast music.
The blu ray remaster is amazing too as it has the new HD remasters (but the music has all been changed and stretched from 4:3 to fit 16:9) but it includes the SD masters as a bonus!! Which has the correct music intact.
Sometimes I often think, why can't the UK release series/films uncut? If Germany and other countries can, why can't the UK do the same?
I often wonder in relation to things being cut.
Considering imports / piracy / bootlegs are far more common place for everyone I think the BBFC need to loosen up a little. Their practices are far too archaic considering that the other avenues of obtaining these uncut thing are just so easy.
Physical media isn't doomed ..I work at a for media shop as its doing as well as ever..
I’m glad the store where you work is doing well. We need more food solid high street stores.
There is certainly a decline in physical media though, we’re now seeing a number of stores abandoning physical media (mainly supermarkets) and those like HMV being forced to diversify in what else they see besides physical media to support the business. I don’t think it’s doomed but it’s certainly declining.
Where i live there is no official way to buy phisical movies. So there are 2 choises: services that sell high quality bootlegs and services that sell hard drives with movies on them.
Man, that kinda sucks that you have zero options for anything ‘official’
I considered if there would come a time that some studios offered their movies in collections on some kind of memory card or hard drive. Think streaming has gone that far that I’m not sure there’s any need for that kinda thing though.
You ever hear of Amazon?
@@musicman8270 You ever heard of Russia ?
@@Vladimir-nc9ru I've ordered several things, came from the former Soviet bloc. I Thought you guys were through with the whole Iron curtain thing
@@musicman8270 Amazon was availble until recent political events which include sanctions against Russia
All these studios have to do is what Disney used to do…have a vault system, release a film on a limited run for six months, then remove it from the shelves for a number of years before it’s reissued. They would sell like hot cakes because of FOMO. Problem sorted, I like the idea of burn on demand though 🧐 nice one Phill, take care mate👍😃👍
I don’t understand how some titles still remain unreleased… and then others, there’s limited options as to which format you can buy 🤷🏼♂️
There’s titles I have on digital in HD that aren’t available on Blu ray… still dvd only. If the digital file is there. It’s possible to print to disc. Easily.
The vault system is very clever for having that hype to ‘finally’ be able to get certain titles but the way things are going with the drifting interest in physical media from the general audience and the near dominance of digital. I’m not sure how long this system will keep going or be worthwhile.
@@PhillwithadoubleL to persuade you into an all digital all online future
Except for the fact that new Disney content is as popular as an anal probe.
So, that leaves the old shit.
But, why buy a rerelease of Aladdin when you can stream it or already own a copy?
New content is the bread and butter of an entertainment company, but they are all more focused on ‘the message’ than making profit and shows/movies the majority of the public enjoy- i.e… no politics, no agenda, just good ol’ fashion dumb fun.
It’s ironic, Silicon Valley was genius enough to create the internet, social media, AI, but when it comes to what people actually enjoy, they’re more ignorant than Forest Gump.
any smart executive would order their oop titles back into production after seeing that scalpers are making bank on these disks
I know they can’t always justify a large print run cost but when you see certain titles fetching ludicrous amounts… there’s got to be another way hasnt there ?!
@@PhillwithadoubleL I question why Nintendo leaves the same money on the table all the time
Every time I went to streaming, what I wanted was not there or $$$$ to rent. I was paying around 50.00 a month for like HBO, Netflix, and such. Now I take 20.00 to the thrift stores and just come home with a pile. I watch them, if they are not for me I give them away or sell them. I do keep a digital libarary of stuff from codes but only as a bouns and really more for my mom to log into. It is suprising how many thrift store movies have vaild codes in them. I don't need duluxe or special ed just the films I enjoy for as cheap as I can get them. Again though I have found many a nice duluxe ed of something on blu-ray at a thrift store for 1.00 to maybe 3.00.
The cost of streaming services is getting out of hand. All the content is so thinly spread across so many now. It’s more pricey than cable to keep up with them all.
Remember when it was literally just Netflix at around £6 a month 🤷🏼♂️
I don't see it happening because it is a competitor to streaming, and they are all trying to follow the model of "enshitification"
Enshitification 😂😂
No, I don’t see it happening either. I can see over time the decrease in studio releases. I can still see the more niche boutique labels still offering the things they do but I think in a few years there’s gonna be that reduction in studio releasing which will possibly just be reserved for the more bigger movies.
Print on demand isn't worth it for companies they would have to pay a licence for the film and then would need to justify a certain print run to make money. If it was worthwhile doing it, we would have seen it a long while ago . Boutique labels are buying licences to produce limited numbers, but at the end of day its a business that needs to make money. The studios never wanted physical media they just had to wait for the technology to catch up. The real death of physical media will come when the players are stopped being manufactured. I can see that happening by the end of the decade !
There are ways to work around things like the cost. Lease could be on a price per unit sale for example, then there would be no need for a ‘print run’. As I mentioned in the video, WB have been offering this type of service in the US for many years.
Studios DID want physical media, when they were selling the incredible numbers the physical media sales mattered to them just as much as box office, at times even more.
But yes, now digital is an option it’s certainly better for the studios as they can have their paywall subscription services for the content but I think that bubble will burst pretty soon. Content is just spread too thinly across too many services.
Also like I mentioned. Although they don’t have the ‘lease / licence’ cost to worry about. If your average market bootleg seller can sell these things at a max of a fiver a piece. Then why not an official service from someone who would charge accordingly depending on title. Collectors are gonna collect… if there’s not the options there legally then we’re gonna buy the bootlegs to have on our shelves.
They need to shake it up and make sure options are there for physical supporters…
Question… if you could buy a print on demand 3D version of a movie from a licensed seller, would you continue purchasing the bootlegs ?
@PhillwithadoubleL If it was an official 3d release. Yes, i would rather buy than a bootleg, but at a reasonable cost. I just don't see it being a viable business for the future, and like I say, once the players ceased to be made, then we can only pick up second-hand market tech official production of physical media will then cease it will happen just a matter of time
@@MattVs_Movies when do you think we’ll see the end of the tech stopping being made ?
Personally, not sure I can see the end of them being produced for around about 20 years. VHS players didn’t stop being manufactured until 2016. I’d given up on VHS probably around 20 years prior to that. I think there will be limited companies making them over time but I still think it has a good number of years.
Physical media will be around a long time but they will just be a little expensive. Streaming is for a new generation not for us that is why physical media purchasing has become smaller. So enjoy what you have.❤
It certainly shows with my kids. They don’t give a **** about physical media. As long as they got Bluey and Star Wars at the tap of a button they’re good.
I’ve no doubt physical media will still be around for a long time. I just want more options to access what I want on physical !
2030.
How about studios set up a kickstarter for their catalogue of movies. If a certain film is wanted by say 3000 collectors then we can stump up the money up front with no risk to the studios
A good option. At least then they could guarantee a certain number for a print run.
If it doesn’t hit that number and go into production at least they could refund any up front payment that was made (of it was required).
They’re just not thinking anywhere out of normal activities. It’s all now just much effort for the monetary return for them.
Physical media is alive and well studios are just now targeting collectors this is obvious with the choice of catalogue releases more big studios are licensing their films out to boutique labels Arrow and Second Sight are indicative of this. There’s not enough pressing plant capability to support print on demand
The reason it fell off was because they just couldn't fit all the information on the disc.... Step into 2024 and boom they have invented a new DVD format and CD which is called Layered DVD it now reads in layers and the breakthrough of this is ... Petabytes and Hexabytes so don't leave your physical Dvd shelf just yet because it's about to get a brand new lease of life especially for the gaming market 😊
Can you imagine entire collections on one disc 😱
@@PhillwithadoubleL yea haha and the new new series box sets will be .. well just one disc with every episode from every series haha
@@PhillwithadoubleL check out Sabine Hossenfelder - compact disks make comeback: memory could exceed petabytes
Yeah, people love old movies, hate new movies, and already own most of their favorites. That leaves what? Collectors. Either studios end the woke bs or media is done.
They’re certainly not helping themselves.
I understand they’re trying to push people towards their streaming services but there’s also an amount that they’re pushing towards piracy. They need to find a balance with what they’re doing.
The life of a burned disc to a pressed one is very questionable. I won't support MOD.
Absolutely see that as being a turn off for some.
For me, at the moment with some titles, any option is better than none.
dvd isn't going anywhere
I’m not sure man.
I see how my kids are with the physical releases… they just don’t care. I think it had life left in it for a while longer but as the newer generations get older. The demand and need is gonna be less and less.
@@PhillwithadoubleL that's what they said about records years ago and they never went anywhere.