Last car I lowered was a 1983 280zx. Fun story, I actually bought lowering springs but they were super soft like when guys used to heat their springs so rather than dealing with it as-is or switching to coilovers I decided to chop 1 coil off the oem front springs and 2 coils off the rear. Specifically the coils that were more tightly wound cuz they're the part of the spring thats there for ride comfort. That dropped height by right about 2-inches, maybe a little less, then I paired those questionable bastards with Koni yellows front and back. At 1st I was skeptical but after the 1st 2K miles had gone by without any issues I got the car aligned and it was an awesome daily driver. The only reason I stopped driving it was due to my mother-in-law backing a tow ball into the drivers door frame so hard that the unibody buckled
Last week I lowered my vw golf 7 estate with eibach pro-kit springs. I really love the outcome. Would definitely recommend these springs. My car sits 30mm lower and the difference is night and day!
I'm so glad I came across your channel Ron. Lots of great and helpful content that'll help me to decide what upgrades to do to my S5 after getting the AWE exhaust installed at ModBargains last week!
I have had both Eibach Pro Kit and H&R Sport. H&R Sport is the best handling spring, makes the car very agile. Feels like you have a sports car. Eibach Pro Kit is more for everyday use, it detaches from the handling experience the H&R offers.
To add to this, the H&R is a more robust and better made spring. Handles weight better.Quality is the best. Eibach looks like a factory spring and quality is not as good as the H&R. Very Soft feeling and thin spring.
ah we can't say they are better made... both are TUV approved have different engineering philosophy which I covered, it comes down the rates/heights and what you like on your vehicle and how it feels. As I described in the video. Stiffer doesn't necessarily mean better. Check our my video here: ruclips.net/video/5McdmCyxzCg/видео.html
@@talkingmods The way the H&R springs is packaged compared to Eibach. It is like unboxing between iPhone and Android. iPhone being the H&R. The Quality is a another level up. On the Eibach spring the printing was abit smudged on the spring. Sure thing stiffer is not always better but I found the Eibach to bottom out much easier on bumps then the H&R did. Both Great products, I just feel H&R is better. Can you do a video on Bilstein and Koni?
I am in no means a car guy. But I have been getting the itch to just start doing things to my 2020 Camry. Wanting to lower it is definitely something on the top of my list. And this video does a great job of not just letting me know what brand springs are good to go with. But also, it introduced and educated me on other methods like the Coil Over you mentioned and type of progressive springs. Thanks!
I think the key take away is or should be don't buy lowering springs an put them on you stock shocks/struts they're valved wrong and too long. The flip side for those of us that want to set and forget or are not into corner weighting etc. is there are shock and struts that are made for lowering coils and are valved for them like the Bilstein B8's. I like everthing about coil overs except the annual or biannual maintenance of unlocking, greasing, re-locking, and re-adjustment they need. You obviously don't need all that if it's a track car and you might get away with less maintenance if you live in the dry but for the rest of us the performance delta just isn't there for the additional work in a street car.
There are some brands that say they do build their spring rates around the valving of the stock shocks. MSS for example claims to do so, I've asked them to release the shock dyno information but they all act like it's top secret. So most of the time we have to take them at their word.
So I have a 2017 Ford Focus. I went right to coil overs for it expecting a change but not as much as what happened. Now I am here thinking abought lowering springs. However not entirely sure if I should even try this out or if I should go back to just OEM spring to try to get the ride back. I now relies that the coil overs are probably good if I was tracking the car but this is a daily drive. I was going to get some H&R but the Eibach name is a good one to learn about too! Any input would really help, thanks.
More truth about Struts/Shocks with Springs vs Coilovers is that Coilovers are for track cars. If it's a daily hoon mobile, coilovers will surely make for an uncomfortable drive. Drivers will spend more time clicking the dampening force than they do staying off their phones when driving.
A little off video topic, but, my car has 2 piece brake rotors. When it's time to replace them, where can I find just the outer ring? Everywhere I've looked just offers both pieces or a one piece. Also, could you do a video comparing the pros and cons of the different rotor styles
I will try to put that on the schedule to work on it J . Not sure the brand, but check out racing brake he sells a lot of the components for 2pc rotors.
@@sittphonehan3685 Hi yes - a lot better handling than stock springs as I like aggressive driving - thanks. The keyword is Progressive Springs set because Eibach sells Sport and Race version springs as well which their stiffness makes my family and other passengers some getting used to haha
There are several other options available out there that should be looked at in my opinion, but also all depends on waht you want to achieve. Feel free to give us a call here at 714.582.3330 or email us at sales@ModBargains.com myself or a ModExpert on the team will be happy to help in choosing.
A month ago just purchased my first ever Subaru WRX, love the car so far. I ‘d like to do a mild lowering on my WRX, the ride it’s a little harsh, specially at city streets, but once on the highway it’s fine. Should I get the H & R or the Ebach? Or much is a good quality Coilover Set?
Whenever you have the time, just give us a call here at ModBargains 714.582.3330 or email us at sales@ModBargains.com myself or a ModExpert will help dial it in for you depending on what your budget and needs are. We look forward to helping you.
For my car, the eibach sportlines have a bigger drop than the H&R sport. It’s like a 1.6 inch in the front and 1.4 inch in the back while the H&R is 1 inch. It says it’s designed for the stock shocks but i’m just still wondering if it will cause extra wear on them.
It's amazing to see how realible H&R truly are, I'd also like to shout out to 034 they make some great springs for German cars , similar price point as well .
MK8 Golf R, have been going back and forth between H&R and Eibach. Would love to keep a stock feel, really only need an inch drop. Recommendation, anything else I should look out for?
Eibach will keep that comfortability because it is designed for your shocks well also giving you a mild drop about an inch or so. H&R will give you bigger drop, stiffer suspension but it is not necessarily designed for your shocks.
Great explanation. I want to retain all comfort just close the wheel gap a little on my Porsche 997.2 C4S, H&R or Eibach or something else? Thanks in advance
Hi Alberto, for comfort I would suggest the Eibach's over the H&R's , if a coilover is within budget I would seriously consider those as well, especially one you can set the dampening on it. Feel free to reach us here at ModBargains sales@ModBargaisns.com or 714.582.3330 we would be happy to help get you the springs or help answer any further questions you might have.
Recently ordered a set of Hyundai manufactured lowering springs for my Elantra N and can’t figure they would be any more harsh as a daily driver than a FL5 r
Yoooo I was thinking about lowering my Elantra N, too. How much are the factory lowering springs, and how'd you get them? I have a set from AST motion that drops it I think an inch all around, but I haven't installed them yet.
Hey mate I currently have an Audi s3 2022 , and wanted to know your experience/thoughts on racingline lowering springs ..I’ve heard great feedback from my local euro mechanic , progressive and a 20mm drop , should I consider Eibach instead? This is my daily with the occasional track day
last week i just lowered my 2012 civic sedan ex-l on eibach sportlines with 1.7 inch drop in the front, and 1.2 inch drop in the rear with skunk 2 sport shocks... i had just over a 3 finger gap in the wheel wells and was only looking to lose like an inch of that to keep ride comfort so i went with the sportlines as out of the teins h&rs and skunk 2s i was looking at they seemed to have the most minimal drop with the internet reporting the most comfort out of the others... for whatever reason my suspension looks absolutely slammed now and my rear camber is meh and while it looks cool im feeling every imperfection in the road at highway speeds.... I also got an alignment and now im pushing my steering wheel to the right to stay straight and that wasnt a problem before the alignment but after the install......theres certain sections of the road like when theres a bump or a concrete patch every 5 to 10 feet that makes me feel like the tires are coming off the ground to go over those bumps but for the most part the car feels like it handles alot better than the completely gone suspension i just replaced.....even if i do have both front wheels scraping on the fender liners sometimes. and its still kind of comfortable and not jarring.. my question is this if i was expecting a 1.7 inch drop in the front and 1.2 inch drop in the rear going for oem+ and ended up with hotboy stance did i do something wrong with my install or is there something i can do to correct it? the car is sitting level with all 4 fenders being the same distance from the tire..... or is the shocks not allowing the springs to do thier job or vice versa? i have a 1 finger gap in the wheel wells and my progressive springs in the rear look like the tighter wound part of the spring is 1 mm from binding when the car is stopped me think i have about 3-4 inches of actual shock travel from the looser wound part of the spring.... i guess its important to say the front is macpherson, and the rear is divorced... also of note i was thinking of buying 1/8th mm rubber pads at home depot to cut to shape and use on the spring isolators between the body and the isolator to maybee give me an extra 1/4 of an inch total in the rear but i have no idea what to do about the front as the springs pretty much locked themselves into where they want to sit in the bottom perch... and i know thats not much of an increase but id rather the stance of the car be a little raked than ridin on the bumpstops all thew time if thats even happening i had a 500 mile round trip journey yesterday down rt 80 and 99 and 22 in PA and there was only 2 really scary parts where i felt like i should probably slow down from 75 to speedlimit
@@davepaturno4290 "track inspired" but the pro kit wasnt available for my model and after another 524 mile drive today with no winds influencing my car, i can say the spring shock combo feels like OEM+++, i dont feel like im on the ground when im driving, they dont feel too stiff, bumpy or bouncy i feel more of the road but its not obnoxious, it feels connected to the road like its on rails, it doesnt dip or dive or squat on braking or accelerations and they feel really stable all the way up to 82mph even over rapid bumps where the last set of coilovers i had on previous cars would have felt like they were skipping.... i feel like it could benefit from an upper strut tower bar for enhanced cornering and making sure it stays flat in the front but it isnt needed for daily driving or grocery getting.....im actually impressed by the setup and how well it works but i have 1 issue i scraped twice today over two bridge transitions.... my inner fender plastic on the front left is warped a little and hangs about 2 millimeters below the wheel well the other side doesnt and it doesnt scrap on the other side and it hits for a half sec just barely so i gotta look into that but i still want to find a way to raise the car some becuase i only expected to have like 1 1/4 inch gap and i have about half of that
i think my opinion of them changed alot between driving in high winds 3 days ago and not having to deal with that today and having them break in some and not struggling with them today .... the ride was really enjoyable and i spent the day waiting for the next corner to see what it would do and it didnt let me down or scare me once
Interesting video, thank you. Difficult subject as you can’t really answer this car as a blanket question as there are so many variables. Some cars are crying out for lowering springs, a prime example would be my mk3 MR2, softly sprung and rides high as standard so responded well to Tein lowering springs & new OE shocks. I actually think it improved ride as well the handling, rear shocks were a bit soft as original items! This was a successful swap. Some 30 years ago I had a 4 pot E21 BMW that was so much better after being lowered with a Jamex suspension kit but that was so high on standard springs. However, I have been less successful with other cars in the past & ruined the ride & handling 😂.
Hmm interesting experience you've had, but for the most part it helped. I think one of the things we see with more modern cars is that perhaps there has been a rush to produce and less engineering on factoring what the shock should be set at by the shock dyno (the engineering to make it isn't hard, it comes down to how far these manufactures approach it). I've had good experiences and bad experiences as well, from companies that rush products that are harsh and don't work well with the shock (I really hates the H&R springs on the E92 m3 for example, made the car very stiff, and hard to control) to companies like recently MSS to name one that really made the car feel way better, so I chalk it up to time spent by engineering and care.
Which would you recommend for a Golf GTE Mk7? Stock are really high, really want to make it lower but i hear H&R is a tough ride in the city with an Hybrid Golf GTE.
No springs should make you go sidways after a speedbump :) but less aggressive in general is going to be Eibach, and also check out vogtland's offering as well. If you need assistance with an order his us up here at ModBargains, sales@modbaragins.com or 714.582.3330
First of all - Great video! And I have a question... I have BMW F10 530d xDrive and I wanted to lower it. But because of the fact that 30mm wasn't enough for me, there wasn't really much of a options for me. I was forced to choose between coilovers from KW (v3) with the price above 2k, or making some "custom" option with new shock absorbers and lowering springs. After hard time researching I choose BILSTEIN B6 pared with adjustable H&R coil springs (40-55mm / 30-50mm). So what do you think about this option? I didn't found someone with exact same combination for experience to be honest.
General answer it depends on how agressive the spring is, brands like Eibach which focus more on the comfort side also are said to not shorten the life as much. There is always a give or take unfortunately.
Hello Ron. I'm writing from India. Cheers to the great content 🍻 I own a Skoda Octavia Type2 1.9 tdi preface lift. It came with a 15" wheels, which I upgraded to 16" with a bit wider tyres. This increased the body roll. I am planning on lowering her down a bit. Could you suggest what would work for me. I drive almost 50km daily on highways. NOT A MANIAC ON THE STREET. But love pushing her once in a while.
I don't personally work with Skoda's here in the US so not sure which company supports lowering springs, but check each manufacturer direct, H&R, Eibach, Vogtland, possibly Tein those would be the ones I would look at.
Hi JS, sorry for my little late response. So I like Eibach on it, but also we've installed Steeda and they've been really good and popular as well for lowering springs. Eibach was not as agressive but far more comfortable.
Thanks much for your insight! What would you suggest on a 2025 S3 Audi sedan sire to lower the body no more than an inch and a half at most thanks much!! Michael C
I have a 2023 Audi RS3. I want to lower about an inch or so. I don’t want to have issues with curb stops, and speed bumps. Also turning and going over a bump I don’t want any rubbing. My desire is to close the gap a little and reduce body roll. What would be the best choice for springs? Any help is appreciated.
for vehicle specific questions it comes down to what is available, our team here at ModBargains.com are happy to help, can contact us over sales@modbargains.com or give us a call at 714.582.3330
You shouldn't need to at all. Unless the car is pretty old or in conditions that have made things rust (so snow conditions) but normally you do not need to change them.
It used to be that the Race Springs were red, (a spring I will never recommend to anyone ever) and the blue springs were the normal lowering springs. However about 8 years ago, I started seeing the red and blue get on springs thats weren't race springs which confused things - so we always go by the part number on the spring. (maybe that was a temporary manufacturing messup) something I may have to ask H&R to see if was ever resolved. (Mind if I put this question up on our Q&A?)
Thank you ron for that video. I have a 2013 lexus is 250 rwd. Is the h&r sports spring is better than swift spring? Its my daily driving car. Thank you for the responce
Depends on what is available right. Some of the great brands out there are for shocks are going to be Koni, Bilstein, ETC. Unfortunately not every vehicle is covered.
Honestly if you want to keep the comfort of your car go eibach. I have eibach pro kit in my 2021 Lexus IS 350 and love it. It really comes down to what you want. I wanted a decent drop while still being able to have that comfort as it’s my daily driver.
Really depends on how worn the mount considering it's almost 10 years old now - I would probably replace it. If you want to get the lowering springs, ModBargains is happy to help you out www.ModBargains sales@ModBargains.com or 714.582.3330 thanks!
Hi, I am not aware of any KW springs made for the E46 M3 Cabrio.. but shocks for everyday driving on the vehicle, the Koni FSD's or Koni Yellows were always really nice on the E46 M3 - plus pretty sure that car is going to be maintained for a long term as a classic (Koni has a lifetime warranty, and they aren't going to disappear). If you need a set feel free to reach our company at www.ModBargins.com sales@ModBargians.com or 714.582.3330
We buy lowering springs, not cause we are on a budget, because we have MagnaRide Adaptive dampers and don't want to give up that option, so we get lowering springs.
GR Supra owners buy them all the time. Some choose the European Eibachs, since the lowering amount is not as aggressive. I am also interested in the Dinan springs.
If you are interested in purchasing one, the team here at ModBargains.com can help, sales@ModBargains.com we have to review what is available for your vehicle specific wrangler of course.
I have a 2015 Mustang GT PP/50 Year Anniversary with 85k miles on it now. I would like to lower it. Any reccomendations? Would it be too late with the high mileage? I don't race it or drive like a madman. Its my daily driver though.
I put Eibach pro kit springs on my ‘04 GT when it had 139,000 miles along with some new Koni orange shocks/struts. I don’t think it’s ever too late, just get new dampeners. The Eibach pro’s are good for DD, for us new edge owners it gets rid of the 4x4 look. I just went from 17 inch wheels to 18 inch and now I’m wanting the car to sit an extra inch lower.
So I just wanted to know do you think it’s stupid to lower a 2024 Chevy Malibu I was thinking of going with coilovers. but I haven’t seen too many Malibu’s around my city or surrounding cities. I do see them other places and especially in other states but I’m in California just wanted to know is it OK to lower Malibu or
It's always ok, it's your vehicle you can do whatever you want. I'll be honest I don't know to many brands currently making products for the '24 malibu off top of my head, but you definitly have the spirit of modification in you!
will my eibach lowering springs lower later on down the road ? could it be like weeks or even months ? bc i see other cars with the same springs and it lowkey looks a lil lower than mine
Well Eibach springs are supposed to be pre-settled(been told so by the factory), so that they really don't change much, not to say there couldn't be a slight like a .1-.2 drop right after installation, but generally that shouldn't be the case.
YEs it will put more stress on the stock shocks, decreasing the life of the shock. Why properly valved shocks like from a coilover are the way to go. Really depends though on how long you want to have it lowered and whats more important right. If it's a lease then you won't have the vehicle forever and the car would be turned in right
Daily driver, at that age point, I would look towards a good set of coilovers depending on budget, since it's a daily driver my top concern would be comfort (and that may have to be through adjustability). Feel free to reach out to me through sales@ModBargains.com happy to help.
Since the time I filmed this prices have moved up a bit with some brands, ruclips.net/video/zimuiMNLxmE/видео.html I would look at the following kind of my order of things, BC, ST and look at Steeda as well for the Mustang
I got HR springs for my honda accord 2017 and i also bought truhart struts for it. I bought all the pieces in between and the mounts and all that. For some reason the the strut surpasses the springs and theres a huge gap everytime i hit a bump. Am i doing something wrong?? Please help
I can't speak for Truhart (honestly haven't used them) are we sure they are the right shock first off, second, installation installed correctly? With the lowering did you get a new bump stop that adjusts for the lowered height (often a forgotten thing) if you don't want to get a new bump stop you can cut your original bump stops to make the adjustments.
@@talkingmods hey, yea man i bought every single thing needed. But truhart sending me washers to put up top, wouldnt take take away from the ride quality?
For the Eibach Pro Kit for the camry (2020). Is the spring alone works find or i do need to get some sort of camber kits for my car? Also any recommendations on struts/shocks to replace the oem? Thanks
Well all springs work in tandem with adaptive M suspension, a lot of people go with the HAS (Height adjustable system, companies like KW, H&R, and MSS make) system for the adjustability so they can keep the adaptive system so that I would say is the top recommendation
I just purchased H&R lowering springs for my 2017 Volvo S60... should i be looking for new shocks/struts to pair with the springs or is it fine to use the stock ones? the car has around 52k miles and I assume the shocks/struts havent been replaced since the car was new
Typical life for chocks is around factory shocks is 70-80K on average, so you have life on those shocks, and if they are brand new I would utilize the new shocks you have. But if they aren't new, then to save time on the install I'd consider going with a more heavy duty type of shocks that will last you a lot longer. Hope that helps, and congrats!
@@talkingmods I appreciate the advice and agree it would probably be better to replace the shocks as a preventative measure. Do I just look for any aftermarket ones that fit or a certain type/brand (not looking to spend and arm and a leg)
@@adamhussein9404 One thing to consider which wasn't mentioned in the video, is that your shock has been working in the same range on the piston shaft for 50K miles. When you lower the vehicle, you are changing the position of the piston shaft which has never touched an oil seal in the shock. If there is any corrosion, or damage on the new working portion of the piston shaft, it can catch a seal and create a leak, compromising the shock. This supports the decision to update shocks at the same time if you can afford to do so.
Honestly really depends are what you are looking for, just to go low, or are you looking for comfort, as I mentioned in the video, I would say for the MK4 I've seen vogtland be incredibly successful
interestingly enough, Eibach and H&R both make lowering springs for your vehicle (which I discussed the brands in the vide) and both have actually the same ride drop of 1.2" on the front and rear. So personally since the gap isn't going to be any different I'd go with the addition of the comfort from Eibach's generally.
Personally have had some not so great experiences, and same with feedback on their springs. The stuff they make towards their higher end offerings are usually for some reason a lot better then what we see on the consumer level though. Again this is based off personal experience.
Coilovers don't provide a "better" ride - they only provide "adjustability. McPherson Front Set-ups with Multi-Link rear can use lowering springs with improved struts/shocks designed for lower ride height and perform the same way. What about the camber changes in the other suspension components when lowering? If someone is going for looks, then by all means go for the biggest breasted blonde at the bar and you'll be fine for life.
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Last car I lowered was a 1983 280zx. Fun story, I actually bought lowering springs but they were super soft like when guys used to heat their springs so rather than dealing with it as-is or switching to coilovers I decided to chop 1 coil off the oem front springs and 2 coils off the rear. Specifically the coils that were more tightly wound cuz they're the part of the spring thats there for ride comfort. That dropped height by right about 2-inches, maybe a little less, then I paired those questionable bastards with Koni yellows front and back. At 1st I was skeptical but after the 1st 2K miles had gone by without any issues I got the car aligned and it was an awesome daily driver. The only reason I stopped driving it was due to my mother-in-law backing a tow ball into the drivers door frame so hard that the unibody buckled
Last week I lowered my vw golf 7 estate with eibach pro-kit springs. I really love the outcome. Would definitely recommend these springs. My car sits 30mm lower and the difference is night and day!
Got told that a 40 mm drop was possible. Is this true? Kinda dissapointed with the outcome of Eibach in this video
@@lfcbb0422 should be very possible, that would be the sport kit right?
How's the ride quality?
I would also like to know how the ride quality is. In addition to a better wheel gap, do they provide an increase in performance as well?
I would also like to know how the ride quality is. In addition to a better wheel gap, do they provide an increase in performance as well?
Really good explanation of the difference between Eibach and H&R. Nice... 🙂
I doubt betwen them and NOW for sure go for H&R.Many THAnK!!!!
I'm so glad I came across your channel Ron. Lots of great and helpful content that'll help me to decide what upgrades to do to my S5 after getting the AWE exhaust installed at ModBargains last week!
Welcome aboard!
glad i came across this video. still wondering why some springs come in a hour glass shape where the spring is wider at the end and slim in the middle
i think that you are referring progressive rate springs. google same for info.
I have had both Eibach Pro Kit and H&R Sport. H&R Sport is the best handling spring, makes the car very agile. Feels like you have a sports car. Eibach Pro Kit is more for everyday use, it detaches from the handling experience the H&R offers.
To add to this, the H&R is a more robust and better made spring. Handles weight better.Quality is the best. Eibach looks like a factory spring and quality is not as good as the H&R. Very Soft feeling and thin spring.
I’m glad I went with h&r, I’ve been going around to differentiate eibach pro and h&r. This comment just made me happy with my choice of purchase!
Thanks for sharing!
ah we can't say they are better made... both are TUV approved have different engineering philosophy which I covered, it comes down the rates/heights and what you like on your vehicle and how it feels. As I described in the video. Stiffer doesn't necessarily mean better. Check our my video here: ruclips.net/video/5McdmCyxzCg/видео.html
@@talkingmods The way the H&R springs is packaged compared to Eibach. It is like unboxing between iPhone and Android. iPhone being the H&R. The Quality is a another level up. On the Eibach spring the printing was abit smudged on the spring. Sure thing stiffer is not always better but I found the Eibach to bottom out much easier on bumps then the H&R did. Both Great products, I just feel H&R is better. Can you do a video on Bilstein and Koni?
I am in no means a car guy. But I have been getting the itch to just start doing things to my 2020 Camry.
Wanting to lower it is definitely something on the top of my list. And this video does a great job of not just letting me know what brand springs are good to go with. But also, it introduced and educated me on other methods like the Coil Over you mentioned and type of progressive springs.
Thanks!
I think the key take away is or should be don't buy lowering springs an put them on you stock shocks/struts they're valved wrong and too long. The flip side for those of us that want to set and forget or are not into corner weighting etc. is there are shock and struts that are made for lowering coils and are valved for them like the Bilstein B8's. I like everthing about coil overs except the annual or biannual maintenance of unlocking, greasing, re-locking, and re-adjustment they need. You obviously don't need all that if it's a track car and you might get away with less maintenance if you live in the dry but for the rest of us the performance delta just isn't there for the additional work in a street car.
There are some brands that say they do build their spring rates around the valving of the stock shocks. MSS for example claims to do so, I've asked them to release the shock dyno information but they all act like it's top secret. So most of the time we have to take them at their word.
Another informative video! Always important to fill in the gap 😄
So I have a 2017 Ford Focus. I went right to coil overs for it expecting a change but not as much as what happened. Now I am here thinking abought lowering springs. However not entirely sure if I should even try this out or if I should go back to just OEM spring to try to get the ride back. I now relies that the coil overs are probably good if I was tracking the car but this is a daily drive. I was going to get some H&R but the Eibach name is a good one to learn about too! Any input would really help, thanks.
More truth about Struts/Shocks with Springs vs Coilovers is that Coilovers are for track cars. If it's a daily hoon mobile, coilovers will surely make for an uncomfortable drive. Drivers will spend more time clicking the dampening force than they do staying off their phones when driving.
It's damping force. Dampening makes things wet.
Utter nonsense that coilovers are for track cars only. Bilstein coilovers use oem top hats and will make a car handle better and ride smoother.
A little off video topic, but, my car has 2 piece brake rotors. When it's time to replace them, where can I find just the outer ring? Everywhere I've looked just offers both pieces or a one piece.
Also, could you do a video comparing the pros and cons of the different rotor styles
I will try to put that on the schedule to work on it J . Not sure the brand, but check out racing brake he sells a lot of the components for 2pc rotors.
surprised D2 wasnt mentioned at all
I know this vid is a little older but what do you think about truhart springs? Specifically on an 01 civic?
Thanks for the informative video.
I'm on Eibach progresssives in Singapore.
IMHO the higher the price the better it gets..
Does it feel very different from stock ?
@@sittphonehan3685 Hi yes - a lot better handling than stock springs as I like aggressive driving - thanks.
The keyword is Progressive Springs set because Eibach sells Sport and Race version springs as well which their stiffness makes my family and other passengers some getting used to haha
Is H and R sport springs a good choice for G80 M3 RWD? Debating between Eibach and H and R
There are several other options available out there that should be looked at in my opinion, but also all depends on waht you want to achieve. Feel free to give us a call here at 714.582.3330 or email us at sales@ModBargains.com myself or a ModExpert on the team will be happy to help in choosing.
A month ago just purchased my first ever Subaru WRX, love the car so far.
I ‘d like to do a mild lowering on my WRX, the ride it’s a little harsh, specially at city streets, but once on the highway it’s fine.
Should I get the H & R or
the Ebach?
Or much is a good quality Coilover Set?
Whenever you have the time, just give us a call here at ModBargains 714.582.3330 or email us at sales@ModBargains.com myself or a ModExpert will help dial it in for you depending on what your budget and needs are. We look forward to helping you.
For my car, the eibach sportlines have a bigger drop than the H&R sport. It’s like a 1.6 inch in the front and 1.4 inch in the back while the H&R is 1 inch. It says it’s designed for the stock shocks but i’m just still wondering if it will cause extra wear on them.
your shocks will be fine.
It's amazing to see how realible H&R truly are, I'd also like to shout out to 034 they make some great springs for German cars , similar price point as well .
completely agree
Almost ALL coil springs last forever unless they're constantly exposed to salt water.
MK8 Golf R, have been going back and forth between H&R and Eibach. Would love to keep a stock feel, really only need an inch drop. Recommendation, anything else I should look out for?
Eibach will keep that comfortability because it is designed for your shocks well also giving you a mild drop about an inch or so. H&R will give you bigger drop, stiffer suspension but it is not necessarily designed for your shocks.
@@talkingmods wonderful, appreciate the help!
A lot of Golf 8 R owners I know have the H&R Springs. They are happy 👍
Great explanation. I want to retain all comfort just close the wheel gap a little on my Porsche 997.2 C4S, H&R or Eibach or something else? Thanks in advance
Hi Alberto, for comfort I would suggest the Eibach's over the H&R's , if a coilover is within budget I would seriously consider those as well, especially one you can set the dampening on it. Feel free to reach us here at ModBargains sales@ModBargaisns.com or 714.582.3330 we would be happy to help get you the springs or help answer any further questions you might have.
@@talkingmods Thank you for this. Coilover is not technically in budget and I never track car either
Recently ordered a set of Hyundai manufactured lowering springs for my Elantra N and can’t figure they would be any more harsh as a daily driver than a FL5 r
Yoooo I was thinking about lowering my Elantra N, too. How much are the factory lowering springs, and how'd you get them? I have a set from AST motion that drops it I think an inch all around, but I haven't installed them yet.
Hey mate I currently have an Audi s3 2022 , and wanted to know your experience/thoughts on racingline lowering springs ..I’ve heard great feedback from my local euro mechanic , progressive and a 20mm drop , should I consider Eibach instead? This is my daily with the occasional track day
Tein springs are really good
I would like to ask everyone, after replacing the short slingshot, has there been any oil leakage in the CV Axles?
Thank you so much! Great video!
last week i just lowered my 2012 civic sedan ex-l on eibach sportlines with 1.7 inch drop in the front, and 1.2 inch drop in the rear with skunk 2 sport shocks... i had just over a 3 finger gap in the wheel wells and was only looking to lose like an inch of that to keep ride comfort so i went with the sportlines as out of the teins h&rs and skunk 2s i was looking at they seemed to have the most minimal drop with the internet reporting the most comfort out of the others... for whatever reason my suspension looks absolutely slammed now and my rear camber is meh and while it looks cool im feeling every imperfection in the road at highway speeds.... I also got an alignment and now im pushing my steering wheel to the right to stay straight and that wasnt a problem before the alignment but after the install......theres certain sections of the road like when theres a bump or a concrete patch every 5 to 10 feet that makes me feel like the tires are coming off the ground to go over those bumps but for the most part the car feels like it handles alot better than the completely gone suspension i just replaced.....even if i do have both front wheels scraping on the fender liners sometimes. and its still kind of comfortable and not jarring..
my question is this if i was expecting a 1.7 inch drop in the front and 1.2 inch drop in the rear going for oem+ and ended up with hotboy stance did i do something wrong with my install or is there something i can do to correct it? the car is sitting level with all 4 fenders being the same distance from the tire..... or is the shocks not allowing the springs to do thier job or vice versa? i have a 1 finger gap in the wheel wells and my progressive springs in the rear look like the tighter wound part of the spring is 1 mm from binding when the car is stopped me think i have about 3-4 inches of actual shock travel from the looser wound part of the spring....
i guess its important to say the front is macpherson, and the rear is divorced...
also of note i was thinking of buying 1/8th mm rubber pads at home depot to cut to shape and use on the spring isolators between the body and the isolator to maybee give me an extra 1/4 of an inch total in the rear but i have no idea what to do about the front as the springs pretty much locked themselves into where they want to sit in the bottom perch... and i know thats not much of an increase but id rather the stance of the car be a little raked than ridin on the bumpstops all thew time if thats even happening
i had a 500 mile round trip journey yesterday down rt 80 and 99 and 22 in PA and there was only 2 really scary parts where i felt like i should probably slow down from 75 to speedlimit
Aren't Sportlines more for track use? I would not drop my car that low for street use.
@@davepaturno4290 "track inspired" but the pro kit wasnt available for my model and after another 524 mile drive today with no winds influencing my car, i can say the spring shock combo feels like OEM+++, i dont feel like im on the ground when im driving, they dont feel too stiff, bumpy or bouncy i feel more of the road but its not obnoxious, it feels connected to the road like its on rails, it doesnt dip or dive or squat on braking or accelerations and they feel really stable all the way up to 82mph even over rapid bumps where the last set of coilovers i had on previous cars would have felt like they were skipping.... i feel like it could benefit from an upper strut tower bar for enhanced cornering and making sure it stays flat in the front but it isnt needed for daily driving or grocery getting.....im actually impressed by the setup and how well it works but i have 1 issue i scraped twice today over two bridge transitions.... my inner fender plastic on the front left is warped a little and hangs about 2 millimeters below the wheel well the other side doesnt and it doesnt scrap on the other side and it hits for a half sec just barely so i gotta look into that but i still want to find a way to raise the car some becuase i only expected to have like 1 1/4 inch gap and i have about half of that
i think my opinion of them changed alot between driving in high winds 3 days ago and not having to deal with that today and having them break in some and not struggling with them today .... the ride was really enjoyable and i spent the day waiting for the next corner to see what it would do and it didnt let me down or scare me once
What woud you recommend for a GLI Autobahn 2023? I am wondering if I should go with H&R sport springs.
Great info, thanks Bro.
Interesting video, thank you.
Difficult subject as you can’t really answer this car as a blanket question as there are so many variables.
Some cars are crying out for lowering springs, a prime example would be my mk3 MR2, softly sprung and rides high as standard so responded well to Tein lowering springs & new OE shocks. I actually think it improved ride as well the handling, rear shocks were a bit soft as original items! This was a successful swap.
Some 30 years ago I had a 4 pot E21 BMW that was so much better after being lowered with a Jamex suspension kit but that was so high on standard springs.
However, I have been less successful with other cars in the past & ruined the ride & handling 😂.
Hmm interesting experience you've had, but for the most part it helped. I think one of the things we see with more modern cars is that perhaps there has been a rush to produce and less engineering on factoring what the shock should be set at by the shock dyno (the engineering to make it isn't hard, it comes down to how far these manufactures approach it).
I've had good experiences and bad experiences as well, from companies that rush products that are harsh and don't work well with the shock (I really hates the H&R springs on the E92 m3 for example, made the car very stiff, and hard to control) to companies like recently MSS to name one that really made the car feel way better, so I chalk it up to time spent by engineering and care.
Which would you recommend for a Golf GTE Mk7? Stock are really high, really want to make it lower but i hear H&R is a tough ride in the city with an Hybrid Golf GTE.
Need to lower my Evoque an inch with getting rid of my magnetic shocks and dampers.
Want to lower my MK seven GTI with Springs but do not want to go sideways over speed bumps any recommendations thank you. Less aggressive is better.
No springs should make you go sidways after a speedbump :) but less aggressive in general is going to be Eibach, and also check out vogtland's offering as well. If you need assistance with an order his us up here at ModBargains, sales@modbaragins.com or 714.582.3330
First of all - Great video!
And I have a question... I have BMW F10 530d xDrive and I wanted to lower it. But because of the fact that 30mm wasn't enough for me, there wasn't really much of a options for me. I was forced to choose between coilovers from KW (v3) with the price above 2k, or making some "custom" option with new shock absorbers and lowering springs.
After hard time researching I choose BILSTEIN B6 pared with adjustable H&R coil springs (40-55mm / 30-50mm). So what do you think about this option? I didn't found someone with exact same combination for experience to be honest.
Thank for the video..I have a 2015 Toyota Venza can you help me out what kind of spring and shocks I need..
Looking on your site for h&r for 2022 civic ex-l n nothing shows up
Great video!
Can i get a lowering spring to not hurt quality of my ride and not shorten life of shocks?
General answer it depends on how agressive the spring is, brands like Eibach which focus more on the comfort side also are said to not shorten the life as much. There is always a give or take unfortunately.
Great explanation, thank you.
Would you or anyone on here recommend H&R sport lowering springs on a 24 WRX? Would lower about an inch.
Hello Ron.
I'm writing from India.
Cheers to the great content 🍻
I own a Skoda Octavia Type2 1.9 tdi preface lift. It came with a 15" wheels, which I upgraded to 16" with a bit wider tyres. This increased the body roll.
I am planning on lowering her down a bit.
Could you suggest what would work for me. I drive almost 50km daily on highways. NOT A MANIAC ON THE STREET. But love pushing her once in a while.
I don't personally work with Skoda's here in the US so not sure which company supports lowering springs, but check each manufacturer direct, H&R, Eibach, Vogtland, possibly Tein those would be the ones I would look at.
I have magna ride on my rousch mustang. Do u have a suggestion for lowering springs while keeping the performance pack on it?
Hi JS, sorry for my little late response. So I like Eibach on it, but also we've installed Steeda and they've been really good and popular as well for lowering springs. Eibach was not as agressive but far more comfortable.
Thank you very much for your time sir
Quick question: Im interested in an H&R Sport kit, are they stiffer than the stock springs?
Yes.
Thanks much for your insight! What would you suggest on a 2025 S3 Audi sedan sire to lower the body no more than an inch and a half at most thanks much!! Michael C
I have a 2023 Audi RS3. I want to lower about an inch or so. I don’t want to have issues with curb stops, and speed bumps. Also turning and going over a bump I don’t want any rubbing. My desire is to close the gap a little and reduce body roll. What would be the best choice for springs? Any help is appreciated.
for vehicle specific questions it comes down to what is available, our team here at ModBargains.com are happy to help, can contact us over sales@modbargains.com or give us a call at 714.582.3330
Do you have to replace with new bolts/nuts when changing the springs?
You shouldn't need to at all. Unless the car is pretty old or in conditions that have made things rust (so snow conditions) but normally you do not need to change them.
Perfect video very informative
very informative!
Why is it that some h&r sport springs red and the others are blue? Is there any difference?
It used to be that the Race Springs were red, (a spring I will never recommend to anyone ever) and the blue springs were the normal lowering springs. However about 8 years ago, I started seeing the red and blue get on springs thats weren't race springs which confused things - so we always go by the part number on the spring. (maybe that was a temporary manufacturing messup) something I may have to ask H&R to see if was ever resolved. (Mind if I put this question up on our Q&A?)
@ please, go ahead
Thank you ron for that video. I have a 2013 lexus is 250 rwd. Is the h&r sports spring is better than swift spring? Its my daily driving car. Thank you for the responce
leave i stock......bank the money
Okay but now what about after market shocks to go with. Recommendations???
Depends on what is available right. Some of the great brands out there are for shocks are going to be Koni, Bilstein, ETC. Unfortunately not every vehicle is covered.
I have a 2023 Acura TLX Type S. What spring would you recommend? I’ve seen some use Swift, some use Tein, some use Eibach. Thanks!
Honestly if you want to keep the comfort of your car go eibach. I have eibach pro kit in my 2021 Lexus IS 350 and love it. It really comes down to what you want. I wanted a decent drop while still being able to have that comfort as it’s my daily driver.
What do u recommend for nissan micra2019 k13 as lowering springs with kyb shock
I have a 2015 audi a6 quattro premium plus and want lower suspension spring. Do I need to replace the mount piece or its not necessary?
Thanks
Really depends on how worn the mount considering it's almost 10 years old now - I would probably replace it. If you want to get the lowering springs, ModBargains is happy to help you out www.ModBargains sales@ModBargains.com or 714.582.3330 thanks!
2001 BMW M3 E46 CONERTABLE has lowering springs by KW, what lowering shocks would you recommend for everyday driving?
Hi, I am not aware of any KW springs made for the E46 M3 Cabrio.. but shocks for everyday driving on the vehicle, the Koni FSD's or Koni Yellows were always really nice on the E46 M3 - plus pretty sure that car is going to be maintained for a long term as a classic (Koni has a lifetime warranty, and they aren't going to disappear). If you need a set feel free to reach our company at www.ModBargins.com sales@ModBargians.com or 714.582.3330
We buy lowering springs, not cause we are on a budget, because we have MagnaRide Adaptive dampers and don't want to give up that option, so we get lowering springs.
Yup there are several reasons people get lowring springs, as you said Magna ride, or BMW's who have edc, etc.
Is it worth it for altima 23' ?
I'm looking at getting eibach for my car, what are your thoughts about getting lowering springs on a car with electronic dampers? Still 50/50 about it
GR Supra owners buy them all the time. Some choose the European Eibachs, since the lowering amount is not as aggressive. I am also interested in the Dinan springs.
what Brand coil spring are Best for Lowering a 2003 Jeep wrangler by 3 inches
If you are interested in purchasing one, the team here at ModBargains.com can help, sales@ModBargains.com we have to review what is available for your vehicle specific wrangler of course.
I have a 2015 Mustang GT PP/50 Year Anniversary with 85k miles on it now. I would like to lower it. Any reccomendations? Would it be too late with the high mileage? I don't race it or drive like a madman. Its my daily driver though.
I put Eibach pro kit springs on my ‘04 GT when it had 139,000 miles along with some new Koni orange shocks/struts. I don’t think it’s ever too late, just get new dampeners. The Eibach pro’s are good for DD, for us new edge owners it gets rid of the 4x4 look. I just went from 17 inch wheels to 18 inch and now I’m wanting the car to sit an extra inch lower.
So I just wanted to know do you think it’s stupid to lower a 2024 Chevy Malibu I was thinking of going with coilovers. but I haven’t seen too many Malibu’s around my city or surrounding cities. I do see them other places and especially in other states but I’m in California just wanted to know is it OK to lower Malibu or
It's always ok, it's your vehicle you can do whatever you want. I'll be honest I don't know to many brands currently making products for the '24 malibu off top of my head, but you definitly have the spirit of modification in you!
website doesn't have the 23 integra
will my eibach lowering springs lower later on down the road ? could it be like weeks or even months ? bc i see other cars with the same springs and it lowkey looks a lil lower than mine
Well Eibach springs are supposed to be pre-settled(been told so by the factory), so that they really don't change much, not to say there couldn't be a slight like a .1-.2 drop right after installation, but generally that shouldn't be the case.
Is it safe to put h&r springs on a stock set up. I hear it can wear out parts quicker.. I Got a 2022 jetta sport
The cars only got 9k on the dash
YEs it will put more stress on the stock shocks, decreasing the life of the shock. Why properly valved shocks like from a coilover are the way to go. Really depends though on how long you want to have it lowered and whats more important right. If it's a lease then you won't have the vehicle forever and the car would be turned in right
What is best for a 2005 ford mustang daily driver? Everything is stock and im look ing to change my suspension as my fist mod
Daily driver, at that age point, I would look towards a good set of coilovers depending on budget, since it's a daily driver my top concern would be comfort (and that may have to be through adjustability). Feel free to reach out to me through sales@ModBargains.com happy to help.
@@talkingmods ok thank you. I'm not really sure which coilovers to get I'm trying to stay around 1.5k as the budget.
Since the time I filmed this prices have moved up a bit with some brands, ruclips.net/video/zimuiMNLxmE/видео.html I would look at the following kind of my order of things, BC, ST and look at Steeda as well for the Mustang
I got HR springs for my honda accord 2017 and i also bought truhart struts for it. I bought all the pieces in between and the mounts and all that. For some reason the the strut surpasses the springs and theres a huge gap everytime i hit a bump. Am i doing something wrong?? Please help
I can't speak for Truhart (honestly haven't used them) are we sure they are the right shock first off, second, installation installed correctly? With the lowering did you get a new bump stop that adjusts for the lowered height (often a forgotten thing) if you don't want to get a new bump stop you can cut your original bump stops to make the adjustments.
@@talkingmods hey, yea man i bought every single thing needed. But truhart sending me washers to put up top, wouldnt take take away from the ride quality?
Don't believe that should affect the ride quality. Did they explain as to why?
Hi, what brand of springs do you recommend for my 2022 Camry xse?
Hi Alex, I like eibach a lot for the camry. you are welcome to give us a call at ModBargains.com 714.582.3330 as well
For the Eibach Pro Kit for the camry (2020). Is the spring alone works find or i do need to get some sort of camber kits for my car? Also any recommendations on struts/shocks to replace the oem? Thanks
personally im going with D2 2" lowering springs for my 2020 camry se here soon
they are direct replacements and dont require any other modifications
What do you recommend for a bimmer with adaptive M Suspenion?
Well all springs work in tandem with adaptive M suspension, a lot of people go with the HAS (Height adjustable system, companies like KW, H&R, and MSS make) system for the adjustability so they can keep the adaptive system so that I would say is the top recommendation
Which springs would best suit my 2023 Subaru Impreza ?
WRX shocks and springs......unless you want it low
I just purchased H&R lowering springs for my 2017 Volvo S60... should i be looking for new shocks/struts to pair with the springs or is it fine to use the stock ones? the car has around 52k miles and I assume the shocks/struts havent been replaced since the car was new
Typical life for chocks is around factory shocks is 70-80K on average, so you have life on those shocks, and if they are brand new I would utilize the new shocks you have. But if they aren't new, then to save time on the install I'd consider going with a more heavy duty type of shocks that will last you a lot longer. Hope that helps, and congrats!
@@talkingmods I appreciate the advice and agree it would probably be better to replace the shocks as a preventative measure. Do I just look for any aftermarket ones that fit or a certain type/brand (not looking to spend and arm and a leg)
@@adamhussein9404 One thing to consider which wasn't mentioned in the video, is that your shock has been working in the same range on the piston shaft for 50K miles. When you lower the vehicle, you are changing the position of the piston shaft which has never touched an oil seal in the shock. If there is any corrosion, or damage on the new working portion of the piston shaft, it can catch a seal and create a leak, compromising the shock. This supports the decision to update shocks at the same time if you can afford to do so.
Hi, for MK4 CLIO RS 200 EDC do you recommend H&R or Eibach? ***For lower springs***
Honestly really depends are what you are looking for, just to go low, or are you looking for comfort, as I mentioned in the video, I would say for the MK4 I've seen vogtland be incredibly successful
Wish you mentioned swift springs
I did 10:26, Swit Linear springs :) I can't foget about them
@@talkingmods my apologies 🙏🏽
So what brand of lowering springs you recommend me for 1997 Nissan maxima sir ?
none
@@robertfonovic3551 why bro??
Which Lowering Springs you recommend for a 2020 Camry Hybrid?
interestingly enough, Eibach and H&R both make lowering springs for your vehicle (which I discussed the brands in the vide) and both have actually the same ride drop of 1.2" on the front and rear. So personally since the gap isn't going to be any different I'd go with the addition of the comfort from Eibach's generally.
Which springs is the softest one for lowering the car about 3 cm
You know how small 3 CM is 😂😂
@@MFU4WEEZ 1.181102 inches?
Are tein springs good? I imagine they are but are there differences in models like the ones you described for track or for road use? Thank you
Personally have had some not so great experiences, and same with feedback on their springs. The stuff they make towards their higher end offerings are usually for some reason a lot better then what we see on the consumer level though. Again this is based off personal experience.
Coilovers don't provide a "better" ride - they only provide "adjustability.
McPherson Front Set-ups with Multi-Link rear can use lowering springs with improved struts/shocks designed for lower ride height and perform the same way.
What about the camber changes in the other suspension components when lowering?
If someone is going for looks, then by all means go for the biggest breasted blonde at the bar and you'll be fine for life.
Wow nice video😘😘😘😘😘
Many many thanks
@@talkingmods Thank you so much dear💓💓
Am I the only one that has raised my car (10mm) ?
2023 Camry Nightshade SE Hybrid
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