$300 eBay Coilovers vs. $2500 Coilovers - Is it worth it?
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- Опубликовано: 3 дек 2019
- Are $2500 coilovers worth the money or can a $300 set get the job done? The HiLow boys (James Pumphrey, Zach Jobe, Aaron Parker and Nolan Sykes) set out to answer the tough questions about upgrading suspension.
We bought two identical Nissan 350z's and have been modifying them to be FUN daily drivers that you can take to the track. James Pumphrey and Zach Jobe's 350z gets the expensive parts, while Nolan Sykes and Aaron Parker's gets the cheap ones. Then we test them to see which components are actually worth spending the money on.
Hi Team got a set of fully adjustable KW Suspension V3s and Low Team spent $300 on a set of eBay coilovers… well they don’t actually even have a name.
So is it worth it? And which ones would you buy?
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All im learning from this series is that when I finally get a project car I just have to build the mid car that this series did not feature.
I bought a project car because of this series 😂
Dominic Talcott what car
Lo Team missed one major factor; lo team should at minimum be a parts upgrade to stock; no name coil over for $300..... they went ricer mode with the welded diff; they could of cut the coil, they have things that compress the coil as well
@@kunimiy212 Rice stands for racing inspired cosmetic enhancements. Welding the diff is not rice, its a performance enhancement that makes power delivery more consistent and allows cars to drift, and its really common. Cutting the springs isnt considered rice either because it just lowers the car and makes it handle better.
Mister Dinner cutting the springs is definitely ricer.
THIS is what car channels should be doing with their money.
Agreed.
Donut Media coming in clutch
I hope they're already working a new pair of cars.
No bro we need to see a new Supra get a widebody with cheap parts lol
Next video: donut media goes supercar shopping
We really need to see Aaron more often. He's got a great attitude and is super skilled in everything
You should do a cheap vs expensive turbo kit for more hrspwrs
…yikes
Eh lol
This series helped me get interesting in modifying cars thanks I’m broke now
#moneypitgang
I stg😂😂😂
LMAO cheaper than being married and divorced - enjoy!!!
please bring back science garage i miss barto :,(
He left Donut I believe.
@@capndedeye Yep, he has a family to take care of as well. But would love to see him come back though.
@@feke5987 Damn, he better be a family man
It's not going to happen, there is a reddit post about it. And they aren't going to bring back science garage with another host because they rightly believe that Bart basically made science garage what it was.
He’s gone man
Should’ve tested times before the coil over swaps
@Zeksteve It's expected. People think stock suspension is garbage but in reality its much better than most coilover systems. You need hours and track testing and adjustment to actually match stock suspension. Moral of story? Upgrade the tires and wheel setup before even touching ur suspension bolts folks.
@@TheJackster25 I agree.I am novice to all this so, all I know is what I've seen on youtube and what people have told me trackside. So far everything I've seen about coilovers seems to emphasize the fact that they are adjustable for different tracks and track conditions.
I hope someone can point me to a video about how to decide how to adjust them. What factors do you need to consider ? What do you look for on track that helps you decide how to adjust them. And is it easy to adjust coilovers during a track day? Another thing they didn't do or talk about was whether or not they needed to do an alignment after the coilovers were installed.
LafcadioTheLion and engine too
Blue 04 MX 5 before adjusting the suspension set up, you first need to have proper tires, tire pressure, good ride height, alignment and corner balance.
KW for instance, they provide you a recommended setting. It’s usually a good starting point. To test if the set up is right for the track you are driving, you need to pay attention to the car behaviour during corner entry, mid corner, corner exit. If you get entry understeer/oversteer, then you need to adjust from compression and rear rebound (1 at a time), if you get exit understeer/oversteer, you need to adjust front rebound and rear compression (1 at a time too). In mid corner, it is then related to spring stiffness & anti-roll bar.
Blue 04 MX 5 everything is related to vehicle dynamics basically. And there are bunch of stuff to learn. For example, lowering a car can lower your center of gravity, but your roll center also drops at the same time. And it drops more than COG. That actually increase the distance between COG and roll center, which results more roll. Body roll is not a bad thing and does not affect load transfer, but it is bad for your alignment and aero drag.
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$10 Chinese vape kit vs $300 Japanese custom vape mod
Nah there saving that for season 2 when theyre building WRXs
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Bruh😂 nice. I literally lol'ed
4:29
10 dollar all day duh
It would have been interesting they had also done a baseline test with the stock set up to see if either kit is a significant improvement over stock.
I got news for you, crap all difference if ANY AT ALL.
Yep, $300 coilovers on a 50k retail car.
I’m glad you made this for sure tomorrow and we will
@@DoubtingThomas333 tell me you’ve never modded a car without telling me you’ve never modded a car
@@Sweedster thats dumb
*Yours is three times bigger*
That's the type of discussion I have with friends
You gay
Gotta give you props for being comfortable enough being so much smaller to pointthat fact out to your friends
Say no homo
3x0=0
me and my friend are all around the same length i'm 6-1/2 but my friend who's 6'0 has a 9incher *we're in 8th grade*
Should've done a control test with stock suspension first. Regardless, I'm surprised with the results
I agree with this comment.
Unless it was brand new shocks in both cars a control wouldn't have been fair.
@@Erik-ek9du it's not meant as a fair test, just as a baseline comparison to see if it's actually worth the effort.
Ah yes.
I think the short slalom course was too short to see any difference in the suspension. Even a small autocross course (or a proper track) would have been a better comparison. But still, I know you guys don't have huge budgets and big film crews, so I get that things have to be scaled down a bit. Awesome series anyway!
I spent $800 on some Megan Racing coilovers on a 92 SC400 and I was totally stoked with them. Great daily ride, dropped maybe 3/4", felt great.
Jack Black is car building !??
I was looking at some for my 02 maxima. Megan racing makes pretty good products from what I've heard
I got Megan's for $650 for a GTO and they were awesome, I needed knew springs and it was basically the same price for different springs and decent shocks.
It’s so crazy to see how far you guys have come throughout the years. I absolutely love your videos man.
4:15 I thought I saw 2 nolans, freaked out for a second, fearing for the world's milk supply.
Colton Heasley true
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Lando Norris exists...
Was that Nolan's little brother?
And that other guy looks like James too, holy shit!
i lost track half way through
This series was a dope idea.. you should turn it into a show
It is a show
Series and show are the same thing...
It is! Wtf u talking about
I think he meant to say TV show
HE SAID IT FOR ATTENTION
Y'all should do a luxury/comfort edition! I love to see the options on a season like that!
After years of playing around in many expensive hobbies, I have discovered exactly what they did- practice and experience make way more difference than throwing money at it. Only the best drivers can get the most out of the high dollar mods, so in the beginning spend your time and money on gas and track time
Track time isnt gonna make my honda fit spin tires.....
@@OkieDokieSmokie E😈😈😈😠bcfc
Gas, track time, tires, and weight reduction (especially your personal weight)
"... and one Z gets cheap parts"
literally half of my Z friends lol
I think on a longer track the higher priced coilovers would come up top by a small margin. Especially high speed cornering where the whole car is at its traction limit.
I have no Z friends... :(
Teens are killing all Zs out there, in a few years they will be just a mith that people claim to have seen but its existence isnt confirmed lol
@@StoneCoolds just like 240SXs
NovorSec i have 2 Z friends and they both take so much better care than their previous owners who were clearly not caring for the car at all.
how long would a car fully built with ebay parts last 😂
about a mile
Bought some blue line lowering Springs for 200 euro there not Ebay but still mint 4 years later
just look at brad's car in build & battle season 2
Longer than you think
@@99mintaltezza2 springs are springs. Never need to change them. The shock absorber life may vary
“If you want to be faster, the biggest thing you can do is practice, and get better at driving”
*Thats the whole premise of Initial D*
I am so stoked to be 3 years late to this party so that I can binge watch this series! I loved the Time Attack cars, being a former owner of an '06 WRX myself, and I have loved the 350Z and drift for many years as well. This playlist looks like it's going to be very exciting! Let the adventure begin!
james :" i am also a really competitve person and i want to destroy the other team"
also james : loses 4 times in a row and eats the hottest chip in the world
The Bank of Ebay, get everything for 10% the price, and 10% the quality!
10% the price 30% of the quality of you look at the video.
@@carterdavis2793 tru
I freaking love Hi - Lo you get to actually see the difference between crap and the really good stuff.
it’s almost like… that’s the point
I love this series. Especially watching you living the dream of just bolting stuff onto cars and getting along with it. Here in Germany you‘d have a lot of problems with those eBay parts. For every modification you need to have the “TÜV” acknowledge and certify it with that very car. It’s expensive and without proper papers going with the parts you put in, which have to be specific to that very model of car, you won’t be able to get it certified and therefore couldn’t put it into your car (without losing insurance and basically be driving an “illegal” car). It’s so nice to see you guys just having that freedom of modification ✨
Day 49 of asking James to do an Up to speed on his Dad
Still here supporting you bro!
Yep
He’s still not feeling good no up to speeds for a min he’s healing from the heart attack
keep it up, almost 2 months let's keep going
James's is not a car
Rewatching this just to see something different
There's so much to learn about shocks alone. This is just the cover of the book!
Why was it re-uploaded??
@@FroztiProductions It was uploaded on Facebook
@@didibiwi6150 That's so weird. I remember it on youtube. I thought I was losing my mind as everyone comments like it's new.
@@FroztiProductions They were telling us on RUclips to go and watch it on Facebook maybe that's why you remember it that way
I put Öhlins on my Evo X, the difference was incredible, my favorite mod out of pretty much almost anything performance related you can imagine on a 600 HP Evo
Can’t remember what paid for them, $2200 I think, totally worth it. When you consider a 100 HP gain on the Evo would cost you triple that for all the parts and tuning, I’d recommend getting the coilovers as one of your first big mods since the benefit to handling will make you much less likely to accidentally wreck your car
Actually, I ramped a ditch trying to avoid a deer and they held up fine and I still had just enough ground clearance to avoid damaging anything. Although, to be fair, I set my ride height a little higher than most people due to the crappy roads where I live
I never really got comfortable with even a very expensive set of coil-overs for my GTO, until I got KWs. They made driving it a blast again. Stock comfort with coilover weight savings and performance.
When is cheap turbo's vs expensive turbo's gonna happen?
I've seen a turbo grenade and destroy a mildly built engine I'm good, I don't like rebuilding or repairing just to prove it can be done dirt cheap, sometimes you want to buy reliability and piece of mind
@@kareemt4526 nobody is asking you to spend money on builds or repair anything. His asking donut media.
Kareem Colebrooke who tf was asking u lmao
Exactly
ruclips.net/video/-K5DtTDlRwQ/видео.html
11:05 love how he just knows from the sound
2:58
Boys when in locker room
Lmao
"yours is 3 times bigger"
LMFAOOOOOOOO
😂😂
*white boys in the locker room
Usually I love to watch/subscribe DIY videos/channels but this video made me subscribe to your channel just because of your cool conversation and to the point talking at the same time. Really loved it.
I personally think that you should do everything on the "low" z on the driveway like the average person who buys cheaper parts would be doing
I love it that nos doesn't sponsor anymore sins James got a heart attack.
I'm happy your back James!!!
this is a very old series from facebook
@@zee_rowe very old? This was like 2 months ago.
@@Furyyuriy All I know is that I watched this months ago
Despite not being caused by NOS, it’s obviously not a good brand image
I don’t know the story here... but if he had a heart attack while boosting on NOS - isn’t that the BEST advertising you can get for how much punch your car could have on NOS??
I discovered yall thru the Recommendations on turbo Hilow vid.And I must say, this is maybe my favorite channel if it comes to car enthusiats! I really the teamand especially Aaron! Greetings from Germany!
It's so cool seeing Father and son doing a project
Definitely going to look into some new mid priced CoilOvers! I am so excited and thankful for your suggestion as I myself I starting to get into cars.
I'm so glad this series is on RUclips now!
Been watching for a while now and love your channel! Would you guys be willing to do another suspension test of which is better, air bags or coilovers?
You guys are on another level, Its like old Top Gear. Love you guys
I love how James makes Nolan the low team and he wants to crush him with his high end parts lol
When you realize that James’s strut is 3x bigger than yours
lol
thats what his wife said
I'm coming back to watch these again since I just picked up an 06 350z and it needs a lot of work.
Sometimes I just rewatch this episode cuz y’all are awesome. Fan since 2020
When you drop a car with coilovers, you need supporting mods to alter the rest of the steering geometry so that it works with the lowered setup, like bump steer and roll center correction, wheel alignment (and wheel alignment mods like camber plates, lower control arms, toe arms, etc), etc
how about a camber kit?
@@ayoubfarid1663 anything that lets you adjust the camber, caster, or toe fits under the "wheel alignment" category so yeah, sometimes you will need a camber kit
You nake sense because THERE ISNT NO VIDEO WITH COILOVERS LIFTED
thank you for pointing it out, its a big missconception that lower = better.
It’s just like every car you’ve seen at sonic 😂
Lol
I just saw that part and then saw your comment
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Great show, it does miss out on the mid range market where most of us sit when purchasing our aftermarket parts though. Next show high/mid/low?
Money pit is mid car
@@gachaharemseries2029 I'm new to modifying, can you explain why?
@@hzpc donut also had another show about modifying cars with a budget, it's called money pit, there the guy from hi low, Zach jobe modified a NA Miata with mid budget in mind
Imagine “super low”. Build them suckers ya self!
Absolutely love your channel. Would be great to see your spin on a cost-comparison like this -- comparing AEM, Holley, FiTech and the ultimate DIY implementation, Speedunio...as a follow-up to your, "Is a Standalone ECU Worth It?" episode. The necessary level of 'geek' for something like this seems perfect for Jeremiah.
James... you are back!!! Wish you the best of recoveries and health from now on!!
Idk if he's back but this is a pre recorded series that was uploaded on Facebook back in early September
2:45 exactly what my girl say after i open up "my hood"
Love the fact that his car is featured one day and the next he’s working with y’all 😁😁🔥🔥
I can't wait till this show comes back
he james im glad your back love you
you're
@@DubovyPaul wHo tHoUGhT yOu hOw tO sPoKe?!
Are you having a stroke?
Shiv kap did he actually have a heart attack?
Shiv kap that’s why they lost their nos sponsorship
It's hard for me to see a lift as a "basic tool."
Hopefully your car came with a jack, which works just as well...
@@aaronjones356 Oh you say so, but having changed out a CV axle with a jack vs a lift, I can tell you, a lift SURE makes it easier. I noticed, since they had one available, they used that rather than the jack. And I bet if you're really honest, maneuvering a strut as tall as some of these are beneath the space you get with a jack would be pretty difficult and occasionally impossible.
@@justaguy6100 I changed out the shocks on a taurus on jack stands, chill out. You don't need a lift, they're just ideal.
@@brandoncheek2597 First I have no need to chill, in one of my prior comments I note changing out a CV axle with a jack. I realize it's possible but saying it's easy when your demonstration doesn't show it well.. it does require some clearance that isn't always easy to get with just a jack and stands. I CERTAINLY would have preferred a lift for that job. But ya use what ya got ;-) For me it would definitely be a factor, though when considering swapping out something that's a tad optional rather than necessary. JS
That said, I DO enjoy the channel and the comparisons of inexpensive vs top dollar replacements/upgrades. I'm a subscriber, so again, no need for me to "chill." Regardless of the comparative difficulty of some of these tasks, knowing what the difference between the inexpensive vs expensive upgrades does have a value for me. Maybe I'm just a tad envious eh? I WISH I had a garage with that equipment available to me.
Ikr ?
this channels a part of my daily days now
Ebay Coilovers: You
$2500 Coilovers: The guy she told you not to worry about
🤣🤣🤣
Why ya gotta do me like that
I was waiting for thisss
Funny just saw these cars on a trailer riding my bike down to LA in the HD at night.
Donut plates and car colors hard to miss.
Keep it up!🙌🏻
That oil sponsorship bit was one of the most advertisementy advertisement I've ever seen on RUclips; the walking for no reason, the over the top examples, it was the perfect amount of cheese. 11/10 would watch the ad again.
I would have loved it if they had done a run with the original setup for comparison, just to see how much the upgrade is worth considering the price.
I like this. I hope the z build keeps going . It's cool to see these things
FYI, Anyone buying the cheap coilovers may consider upgrading the rear springs with a $200 12k rate option spring from BC or Megan (also Eibach makes a pair to order for reasonable money and allows you to keep the lower rate but have a longer spring). All options allow a normal ride, which is worth a lot of improvement to the ride and performance. But note the stiffer spring options may run the shock into the ground earlier than the basic Ebay offering.
Cool video!😎 thanks for the info!
FINALLY!!! As a non facebook person i've waited so long for this
Great video, I really enjoyed the level of effort given to keep the cars evenly matched. I feel though the testing might have been a bit flawed. The true value of great suspension is its ability to keep the tire planted on the ground for consistent traction while cornering or accelerating. While the slalom course was a great choice for the testing, a slalom course with much wider longer corners with areas of uneven road would really allow the value of adjustable rebound and compression to really shine. Imagine, during a long high speed corner you encounter a bump. The suspensions ability to react to and get the tire back on the ground quickly while not upsetting the balance of the car makes the difference between losing a few inches off your line and meeting the outside wall. Round 2 please.
You should've done the same slalom course with the stock cars to see if either set of new coilovers did anything to improve the cars as they were. Would've been a nice way of comparing the cars to each other as well.
Zach is great I'm glad he got his own show
03:30 *laughs in rusted 33 year old volvo suspension*
....The first bolt took an afternoon
unjuseabble I’m lucky my 20 year old volvo was so easy lol 😂. I still should have probably used some rust penetrant since it was the first time the rear shocks were done since it was made and it lived in a rust prone country.
It took me 2 harbor freight wrenches, and massive breaker bar to get the stock suspension off my 37 year old vw jetta
Qbadger 🤣
@@qbadger6966 Thats actually lucky. Working on my rusty bmw's rear subframe I broke 3 of the bolts into the pushings with a breaker bar. Those things had melted into the pushings far enough that you couldnt punch them out so we had to melt the pushings with a torch to take apart the lower suspension arms.... Salt on the road at winter really makes wonders for an old car
Rewatching this series now that it’s on RUclips.
Happy first anniversary hi-low
Moral of story get a mid tier priced coilover
I have KW V3's on my E39 M5 -2001 and they are amazing.
RUclips: "How many Midrolls can we put in this video?"
Also RUclips: "Yes."
wayne wya
XBiscuit shows up slaps roof: “Bro, I heard you like ads?!?...”
George Clooney: “You son-of-a-bich, I’m in...”
Exactly why I used Adblock
That feel when you enjoy this series but almost none of the mods are available for your car...
This is a great multi-episode concept.
I would get the EBay coilovers because I have a green 1975 Ford Pinto, so they would match the car.
And you dont want to put too much money into it, incase its gas tank ignites.
sorry could not miss the oportunity
@@lukassoderberg6382 lol
Hey James looking good boss keep up the good work and nice to see you 🙏🏼
Allen Adams this is a old video that was posted on Facebook month ago. So this is pre heart attack James.
@@saucecode5276 when is post-heart attack James coming?
Looking at the size i was sure they got the green set for a Micra.
11:26 "aw dude that's better, right?"
"I don't think so"
This kind of reminds me of the time I ran over a deer skull in my old car and somehow severed my ABS line, I just was like "we'll call this an upgrade, just like the exhaust leak". Toyotas just don't seem to stop no matter how much you drive them, as long as you're driving them to begin with. I let that car sit for 3 weeks once and it felt like it aged more in those 3 weeks than the 3 years I'd owned it. Was a 2007 and I was able to sell it for a decent sum and that sumbitch is still on the road. No one looking for used cars in that price range right now is that concerned about things like that as long as the car isn't gonna break down
I’d think a set of Eibach lowering springs with the stock suspension (dampers, etc...) would cost $300~ and be the BEST option of the two (price to performance).
Facts I got a pair of ebay lowering springs and eibach on two identical integras, I don't drive the one with the ebay lowering springs much
350s are more than a decade old. New stock coilovers is probably a night and day difference.
@@BillyJoe1305 I think I'd still prefer lowering springs over coilovers, I just purchased an audi with coilovers (ecs) my mechanic says they are high end not the cheap ones, they ride nice but it makes a clanking noise when you turn the wheel, I was told that's normal but I understand the reason especially with different rim choices
BillyJoe1305 exactly what I said. I bet the cheap eBay coilover ser does worse than a simple brand new oem set
No it isn't..
10:41 first glance almost looked like a Paul walker look a like running the camera lol
I thought so too, especially at 12:43
@@StasRyadinsky yeah man that one shows it even more for sure how crazy
Great series super interesting
just found ur channel i like these testing vids and need more cars wars like vids
KW are awesome. Had a series 3 on my Audi A3 Quattro. The recomended setting was spot on perfect.
Stainless steel is great for swedish winter.
Great clip. High quality content. Thanks.
Subbed.
Do you recommend kw on skoda?
@@boxoffisa I have no personal experience but I have great confidence in KW. Good luck.
@@chrisssinstockholm thanks mate. Will try.
Coilovers that cheap would actually do worse than stock for sure. They should have bought a new oem set as I bet that would probably be the wisest choice
I agree. OEM or Mid to Upper end. Especially is your cars a BMW M2 or something. My car has aluminum hat discs etc. Used for heat dissipation anything aftermarket will be solid steel. As a BMW guy I prefer ceramic pads. BMWs are a break dust magnet. The car was engineered that way. The stock BMW pads will bite better than a Ceramic retrofit.
Depending on the car and what your trying to do usually stock is the best option.
At 2,500 for coil overs just start saving for a Lamborghini or something more performance oriented than a 350Z. Lol
That ad was great!!
Good job guys.
😂"When you are no longer the Drift King and you have to move to the US and become a male nurse"
Go buy Ohlins for that price.... I'm on that band wagon, but they're just that much nicer.
stop with ohlins. there is brand like Nitron wich are far better at the same price.
@@suricateenerve165 whatever ya like :) if it makes you excited, and faster then go for it!
@Green Giant :'(
Green isrrrr
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First, cool video. Looking forward to the rest of the series.
Second. Would have been nice to see some sort of baseline done as well. Some track times or something.
Love the info. I have a 2012 mazda 3 and i just bought the cheap pair just to enjoy the car a little better.
This is an awesome show guys. I was just getting ready to replace the suspension on my AE86. Wanted to know if it was really worth going for the top of the line parts. I’ll save my money and go for something middle of the road but built with quality after watching this. I’ll use the money I save to get some decent seats. Thanks Donut!
I think the point made above was really interesting about the idea that adding coilovers is automatically better: the OEM parts are designed, tested, redesigned, retested, etc. etc. for that car. Seems like if you're going to go down the suspension route, get something specific for you car and have it properly set up by someone who knows their shit inside out.
Seems like basically tyres are the answer to improvements
Check out MaxSpeedingRods.
Yeah use your money on your AE86 in forza? Gta5? LMAO keep dreaming
@@Jimanderson124lol what?
that envy looks on Nolan when James reviewing his coilover is exactly me when i saw someone explaining something i cant afford.... 😆
Coilovers make negligible differences in terms of speed from A to B, but they are critical when shaving time off a track and safety when you have a project car that's capable of pushing big numbers around that chicane. When you need that customization a high quality set like KW's or in my case D2's, is a must.
As tools you forgot to include: the lift
Would be nice to see how the original suspension held up against the coilovers.
4:25 Play this part at 0.25 speed for maximum boy band effect.
Best series on RUclips
My mk6 gti i put on koni 1150s with dampened adjustments and my god you guys. It’s what makes the car that much more comfortable. Only complaints are they rust alittle but some of the best coils I’ve had. They were 1300 dollars when I got them. Worth every penny
I’ve had the same cheap ones on my e46 M3 for over a year and they have been great other than the slight clunk when I hit large bumps
" the slight clunk "