$450 Brakes vs $4,500 Brakes | HiLow
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$450 brake upgrade kit vs. a $4400 big brake kit. Does more expensive mean more better? And is it worth it?
Donut bought two identical 350z’s and we have been modifying them to be fun, daily drivers that you can take to the track.
James Pumphrey and Zach Jobe are on Team Hi, and their Z gets the expensive parts. Nolan Sykes and Aaron Parker are on Team Low, and their 350z gets the cheap parts. Afterwards, the teams test them to see which components are actually worth spending the money on.
So far, we’ve installed coilovers and new wheel and tire combos on the 350Zs, and now we’re moving on to brakes. The ability to stop well is probably one of the more underrated features of a car. But if you’re planning some serious go-fast mods, like the turbo kits coming soon, or you want to turn yourself into a track rat, braking should be a priority. It’s just plain safer. And if you’re looking for the fastest possible laps, being able to brake harder and later means you’ll be shaving off time. So we want to see what kind of results we can get from a really basic brake upgrade versus a full super expensive brake kit.
This time, Nolan and Aaron are getting a lot less total stuff for their money. Their $450 basic brake upgrade kit just comes with drilled and slotted rotors, braided stainless steel brake lines, Centric Posi Quiet brake pads for the street, and some Motul brake fluid. Low Car is keeping its stock sliding calipers, which aren’t quite as confidence-inspiring as opposed-piston calipers. Their design makes them flex more, so the pedal might not feel as good as James’ will after his brake upgrade.
Hi Team is getting a full-on, 4-wheel upgrade with Wilwood 6-piston front calipers and 2-piston rear calipers, bigger 13-inch front rotors, pads, and braided stainless lines to the tune of $4400.
Is more expensive more better? Watch to find out.
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Do you drive a Hi car or a Low car?
Not yet car
High, I don’t trust eBay parts
High car, rotora BBK with OZ wheels wrapped in Pilot Sport 4s
A middle car. It's stock.
Low car, 2003 Mazda 6, just bought it, it works
are you guys gonna be doing expensive blinker fluid vs cheap blinker fluid
I think they put the wrong kind in my car when I had my oil changed recently. my right side is blinking faster than my left!
I make my own blinker fluid for my car...I’m smarter than most people!
Hurr durr
Do one with engine oils please.
And piston springs also make a massive difference
When the brake kit is more expensive than the 350 😦
FIXED CALIPER Not rotor.... any way so many things wrong in this video. P.S. never use chrome sockets on impact tools unless you want a pice of brittle high carbon steel in your eye.
@@alexion4010 let just hope it not happening
Really? Out here the most basic ones still stay at $6k and up...for $4400......a freaking S T E A L
@@alexion4010
i saw a lot of faults when they tested the suspension
in order to test that you need a track and a professional racing driver and a pro mechanic
because on the KW you can tweak everything until its perfect
and the KW set will last a lot longer.
my friend had the cheap green coilovers and after 2 years it broke and he dousnt drive on the track
he drives low and slow :)
@@HappyDude1 You are on the money. P.S. a accelerometer and a Picoscope can help them a lot as well but ...... let's not get to side tracked. Internet legends go by feel not by science!
Title says $ 4,500 but intro says $ 4,400
you owe my brain a $ 100
Laaaabbbbboooorrrr
ever heard of rounding?
@@superknightlol Ever heard of Price Ranges?
@@superknightlol Correct rounding doesn't work that way
@@superknightlol if its rounding it become 4000 for 4400 and 5000 for 4500...now you owe my brain a 500$
All that and you didn't even paint the stock calipers red.
And we all well know unpainted callipers can't stop you like painted one. 🤣
Red is the best stopping colour.
Why red, always red. Black would be cool if everyone did that.
Szymon Bujak
While we’re at it, I’m gonna paint some flames on my car because I heard it makes you go faster 👀
@@kyore789 late reply, but people usually paint calipers red because of the association to the Brembo brand, since theirs are usually red.
Matheus Moreira: ooooh that makes sense
It’s not about stopping once, it’s about stopping a million times.
4-5 times from 200km/h to 50 km/h in a row and you see what you hawe.
How often are you slamming on the brakes going from 50 - 0 mph, over and over in a constant loop until your rotors literally catch on fire? That's one hell of a daily commute
Timbob Jr you wont people who race are the ones buying them not casual drivers
@@mattcary8075 I don't think somebody who is constantly racing like that will purchase a set of powerstops tho
Timbob Jr If you drive on the street, you don’t need RACING parts.
The show was just an excuse for James to get a sick Z with Facebook's cash
And to mod the shit out of it lol
They paid for everything themselves. Watch the vids
@@CreeperCustomPaintball Well he does get paid a million $ per ep of Up to Speed.
@@hiramesensei3112 He's most definitely not making a million dollars per ep. For one, Donut Media is a media corporation, all the money they make from these videos and sponsors goes right back into the company and paying employees. Also, the way ad revune works isn't like a dollar per view, they make pennies on the dollar per person that watches an ad. He's making decent money for sure but there's a reason why we haven't seen James up and buy a ferrari or do any crazy builds or his dream VWs
@@josephtaylor1330 It's just a joke he makes mane.
It made me sad that you used the caliper as a phone and didn't finish by saying "you're breaking up"
Ha
@@jdagri392 Ha
Ha
HA!
Ha
"Custom engineering"
*angle grinder has appeared*
A A I started laughing when he pulled it out
"Your brake rotors and pads are gonna get super hot and smell..... Just like Nolan."
Died. 🤣
Absolutely love this series. More entertaining than anything on television
technom3 ! IKR
agrees
And pretty much more educating
That's actually super impressive and makes you understand that if you are going to track a car you want the Wilwood brakes.
No. I work for a race team, we're sponsered by Willwood, used to use their kit but for endurance racing their kits don;t cut it. After just a few laps on the track we'd get bad brake fade. Moved to a Brembo 6 piston kit, never gone back
@@duncanmcgee4887 Sounds like a pad issue not a caliper issue.
if you really want to setup your car for a race track dont waste your money on wilwood.. get an ap racing, brembo or alcon instead.. my experienced with 6 pot wilwood on my turbo e92 m3 not so great.. the heat dissipation is worse, for my driving style on track i often get a fade and boiling fluid if braking too hard no matter what type of pad it was on.. the warranty also not so great, they refused to replace my crack rotor disc because they said the brake i purchased is not for track use.. its a 6pot, ofcourse we will race with it.. now after using ap racing radical 2 combine with their j hook rotor disc, its really a night and day difference,.
7:21 so cheap it only has one headlight :D
Bruh you just killed me 💀
Next up:
"50$ ebay turbo kit vs 12,500$ garrett turbo kit"
Edit: Don't put poor quality components (or unknown quality components) on your car or motorcycle, especially safety/engine these parts could kill you.
*$20 fake turbo whistle from wish
Fast Intentions twin turbo system :')
ProGenji Lol
Lemon 🤣🤣
there are 90$ Chinese turbos for sale on ebay
Sloppy mechanics use these
“I wouldn’t buy lunch” 😂😂😂
I hate your profile pic.
@@befer reminds me of titanic
I live in Lithuania. I learnt english at school. My english is far from perfect. And these guys with jokes like "more better" make me laugh and forget what I've learnt.
That English school needs to teach you all to say learned not leant. Although grammatically correct and accepted out of native English speaking countries, it just doesn't make sense. It is spelled like a contraction but isn't one. It's not learn not - it is learned.
I hope you succeed well, English is such a common language so most native English speaking countries don't have a need to speak another language. As a result most of us aren't multilingual like you will be.
@@omarg6022 That is not correct entirely. Russian here hello, this is simply a difference of US and British English.
Australians, Brits and well spoken Indians will say Learnt.
Americans and Canadians use Learned.
Both are correct to their area.
Bet you never thought a Russian would come save you huh 😅😅😅 first time for everything!
Honestly I am not a very tech savvy however I always buy brakes from geobrakes.com
And they sell on really cheap price but thr quality is good
@@MiraSubieGirl They’ve learned British English, the original but yet somehow the worst version.
“the brake rotors and pads are gonna get super hot, and smell, just like nolan”
Next HiLow video :
*A thicc boi Nolan vs. The buffest horse in the stable : James*
@@fakename287 😂
James is dead. All of this is pre-recorded
@@brentreid8228 Nice try dumbo
@Juan Cortez Muro Leave.
Brent Reid it is prerecorded but he’s not dead
I just love the energy and car-risma the dough boys have
😏
Maybe because they quit drinking NOS
For a great and cheap option for my C6, I simply use an additional stock drilled rotor with Hawk track pads and steel braided lines. I've done 3 track days so far with amazing success and almost no fade
I love this series. I’m totally the low guy lol I love bang for buck. You guys should really use your objective results to illustrate the comparison in a percentage. For example the Wilwood brake kit cost 1000% more but only offered a 10% performance improvement (shown in 60-0 tests). There are other attributes like subjective opinions that will influence buying decisions but the % comparison is important.
Well if you're running a track day, the 60-0 isn't the important bit its how many times you can slam on them and corner hard before they start glowing super hot and don't work anymore lmao
Those 5 feet saved can be a life saved, I’ll never feel like a goof for having a solid break system
It's "BRAKE" you GOOF 🤣🤣🤣
I have bireaeckes on my kar..
Alot of people don't realize the difference 5ft can make! That's the difference between you being 5ft into the back of a car or just barely tapping the bumper of said car! Or worse, some child 5ft under your car, vs still standing in front of your car scared poopless!
@@Kwambe5 putting kids under vehicles is pretty fun
@@macse7en no question
honestly the best car series on youtube HANDS DOWN. Having two identical cars, and going high cost vs low cost, then comparing and contrasting the results for the viewers, the way they do it....IS FUCKING PERFECT. LITERALLY PERFECT. Keep up the great vids
7:26 That S13 is looking so nice!
James:"I'm just a fkn car boy"
James: uses a regular socket on an impact gun
Still love every show👌
You can if the bolt isn't really stuck. I do it all the time.
Really doesn't matter if you don't consistently use the socket. Impact grade sockets cost 2-4 times as much as regular chrome and if you're only using them a few times you'll never really notice it going bad in it's lifetime.
Yeah I'm sure but the thing is if I have an impact socket I'd rather not break my regular vs taking another 20 seconds to look for my impact grade, saves me a lot of curse words and a couple $$$, right?
@@A92CB7 I do this with junk sockets that I don't mind breaking. I thought everyone had a bag of assorted chinesium sockets, and one set you never touch and just keep telling yourself you'll have a job clean enough for them one day.
I've spent more money on impact sockets than I ever will on replacing broken chrome sockets (FYI never broken one with the impact).
The wilwoods are more than my car
How did I not realize this at all? -.-
Same😂😂😂😂
i think the first mod was already worth more than my car
yep me my ol 2005 spec v is only worth like 3k lol
@Sean Price thx 4 info
Who else is here watching the series for the 8th time? One of, if not the best series from Donut.
Honestly this really convinced me that a BBK is a lot more brake than I would ever need for my car I don't plan to autocross. I may do something closer to low car, but I really appreciate this video series!
Just a suggestion for anyone wondering, you can get a set of 4 piston Brembo calipers for front and back for around $500. These came stock on some of the Track and Grand Touring 350z trims, like on mine. Fairly cheap and bang for buck investment for what it gives you and definitely a big upgrade over the single piston calipers.
7:21 is that a burnt out headlight on the low $ car? Lol
I got some aftermarket slotted and drilled rotors with ceramic pads and noticed a nice improvement on my 6.2 Yukon Denali. Less brake fade and it stops a bit quicker as well. It works for me and for the price. Wilwood kits are expensive, but replacement pads are an arm and a leg as well. Not ready to front that money for brakes yet. Supercharger first!
I love this Hi-Low series. Keep it up with the excellent content!
Nolan’s wearing the freshest pair of Carhartts I’ve ever seen.
matthew swider are those shoes?
@@Nightakula Carhartt is a clothing brand and it's the pants that he is wearing.
Those are so fresh I bet they stand up on their own. And Carhartts are far superior to Dickies.
@@keenanfitzpatrick9104 bro you've never swung a hammer in your life. Carhartt is superior for your outfit of the day lol. Sit down sir. In your la-z-boy.
STIR FRY woah tough talkin AND triggered but also kinda sweet that you noticed that I do in fact dress really well. So thanks. I worked my way out of swinging a hammer but I pay people that do. Let me know if you want a job but judging by your sentence structure you probably couldn’t lace up my work boots I haven’t put on in 5 years. Night night cupcake 😘
Never cheap out on safety related parts like brakes!
true
They are still better than factory ones
@@alexsupertramp4907 i think He means that you should Not buy your safety related carparts in China
Carbon ceramics it is then!
@@mistamaog those carbon brakes are more expensive than my WHOLE motor😂 and my car has an sr20
Kinda love when u talk in the end.. you really are 2 very decent humble guys.. love it
Y'all guys are so cool n smart. Thank you for making me understand more about your brake cheap or expensive way. Keep up the great work.
I didn’t know X-Rated content was allowed on RUclips 😏
@@Mr88Andrew88 the brakes....
@@Mr88Andrew88 yeah idk 8:42 that looks pretty hot to me
@@Mr88Andrew88 well someone can't take a joke
ThisAccountWasOnlyMadeToComment ..... 👀LOL
@@Mr88Andrew88 i said hot not sexy
I was blessed to have an engineer father with a machining side hobby, it was so much fun doing stuff like this and attempting to destroy his other projects, to be honest I’d take good brakes and suspension over too much horsepower any day, but I like the twisties more so than drag racing but still, brakes should be a #1 priority in any fast car.
Handling always comes first for me
Great dad
It's brilliant that you guys are doing this (i'm and engineer / ok mechanic) A friend fitted dinner plate sized brembos on his car. They are amazing. However on another friends similar car with normal road use you cannot feel the difference. However under heavy track use the cheaper ones needed cool down time and the other car stayed out on track the whole session. It's all very interesting. Lets face it most people won't be hitting the track so the racing spec is overkill. But it's really nice to know that brake upgrades are one of the best things you can do to your car. (just not great for the person braking behind you) Great show, proving what we have been trying to tell people for years. However if you want to go balls to the wall amazing everything carry on. It's only money and if you love the look, express yourself with what you feel looks the best right? March to the beat of your own drum (disc) Keep up the super cool work and love the editing ! your video guy is doing a great job.
Thank you for this series! Its a good reference for us limited budget car lovers!
Did y'all wiped the brake rotors from protection oil? Because it may've been the cause of fire
yes lol. we just really hammered on the pads until they lit
They lit tho 🔥🔥🔥
I remember replacing the brakes on my first car (1992 Ford Thunderbird) and I forgot to wipe the oil off and they caught on fire. Scared the shit out of me 😂😂
James: "Do some custom engineering"
*saws off the part
I got a brembo ad while watching this
I wanted to buy them but my mechanische sed it makes more noise than a bosh one
Noice
I like how u give info that you give us about the car parts cuz i learn a lot from every vid
I'm commenting so the youtube algorithm recommends the video so Nolan gets a raise
It worked
Really really glad to see you guys turning out a series like this, with honest straight forward comparisons. Most of us little channels out here couldn't pull this off but with the Donut Empire in full swing, thank y'all for showing us!
Love your guy's channel 👌
THERES NOT MANY VIDEOS I WATCH MORE THAN ONCE BUT THE JAMES AND NOLAN SHOW HAS ME LAUGHING EVERY TIME . I REALLY ENJOY YOUR OUTPUT
Honestly guys, I fricken love you for doing this. This kinda stuff keeps me up at night, it's nice to see someone doing this sort of testing.
Oh, you're half way to 10M views.
At the end of this series, you should sell the cars to see who makes more profit.
Modified cars lose their value. You're better off selling the parts separately.
What is this, Top Gear or Wheeler Dealers?
Sounds stupid
@@AlienFreak69 That wasn't the point of my suggestion. But if you consider time spent disassembling the vehicle, is it really worth it?
Spencer Bane - That’s brilliant!
I love how James’ brake kit is big and black. ☺️
James brakes for big black things...
BBB
Big
Black
Brakes
Break difference is all on your budget and ability. I had a ZX2 done right..kinda used 94EGT rear disk with Ebay rotors and stock Calipers...vs. Wildwood fronts and stock rears. Mine stopped harder and way faster.
Some adjustments were made for rear to work proper....lol
This was a great video. Entertaining and really informative!
We appreciate these comparisons do more!
Honestly I have a 2002 Honda Civic value package (crazy to think it’s almost 18 years old holy shit), but I find these videos so entertaining and informative that I can’t stop watching it.
Love how Nolan’s T-shirt in the intro has clearly just come out of the packet haha
IMO Donut does a good job of keeping things down to earth and car guy relatable even though they've gotten quite big, especially for the super fans like me that have a lot of history and spec knowledge but arent exactly an ace at wrenching..having the willingness to learn is what makes mechanic(ing?) fun🤙
The part of the video that surprised me was the FIRE. I've never seen that on a street car and would freak out if that happened to me. Also I've had brake fade on a downhill drive. That's very scary to think your car would be stoping and it wouldn't. Luckily nothing happened to me or the passenger.
If you're getting fade on hills, you should really begin using engine braking. Fade should only be an issue in passenger cars when you perform multiple successive panic stops. Here's a video on how to engine brake: ruclips.net/video/WaOtK6VutWQ/видео.html
Specialopsdave glad to see someone addressed this already
Specialopsdave This is what I learned and started doing. Thank you for the reminder. You are appreciated. (:
Chad Kanner You are correct.
I'm excited for when they're going to do the High/Low on some Whirly Bois!
Like with all of these upgrades, it totally depends on use case. With constant hard track driving, good brakes are a necessity, not an option. One of the biggest factors in allowing you to get the most from the car.
Amazing work and fun to watch this Hilow !
This is such a good series! Look forward to every new episode :)
unless you are on a track you don't need the willwoods
thebad300 this. There is no scenario where you need to do a BBK on a street car. Put the money in tires.
Unless the willwoods will save you from DYING
@@Audfile if that's the case you are driving way to fast on the street
@@thebad300 why are you using performance brakes on the street? To stop better?
even on a track, you dont always need BBK.. in the video they used street pads in track conditions, of course they faded. if they were using something like carbotech xps10/12 this would not have happened and would of been pretty on par with the wilwoods.
this makes me want to buy a stock car and slowly buy performance upgrades for it but i have other more important priorities unfortunately 😥
yes you better deal with important things instead of this
I love this series because I've been genuinely thinking about buying a 350z recently to have fun with.
Looking to soon swap out my pads and rotors, I needed this video💪🏽
this series is amazing you sould do a similar one on netflix
i would love to watch that
Naush Íslendingur
"Nolan's like: I wouldn't buy lunch!"
Lmao
I've got Benbo's on my 928 S4 and they are incredible. The amount of control during heavy breaking really builds some unearned confidence. Smooth and very strong. You can really stand on them and you know when they're going to lock so you can let your foot off just the tiniest bit and stop in the shortest amount of time possible and if you have to break hard in a turn it's the same thing. I know if I have to stop I'm going to stop and without ABS brakes I find it much easier to control than any other car I've ever driven without ABS.
The 928 is a big car. It's a heavy car. But I can really throw it around now, even in a tight parking lot.
I feel like the more cheap mods you keep on the "low" car the worse it performs so you can't see a difference between specific parts.
The suspension, I am going to assume OEM is actually better. So, maybe.
Exactly. I feel this whole comparison is already just for entertainment.
Hey I just wanted to say...
*"More better"*
Hasta yo que no hablo bien inglés me quedé de ahhhh jajaja
Bit ovbiously he said that as a joke
More LSD?
"Does more expensive mean MORE BETTER"
Woooosh
Love this series! Comparing the two z's is dope.
This was very fun to watch...Thanks for sharing with us
I want to know more about that phone conversation 😂😂
4:29 why I watch Donut 😂 I love the cray cray moments 🤗
Thats why very impressed about the breaking system that the trophy trucks are running, making the trophy truck ( a tt weights around 5,000lbs) stop so quickly in over 19 hrs striaght, literally i've seen the rotors in red alive at 3am in the last years baja 1000.
Cool video guys!
Nolan is the perfect Low car boy and while that sounds like a insult it's not. Keep em coming!
The phone conversation shows how incredibly talented James is!😂😂😂💛
Some custom engineering
Grinder noises and sparks fly everywhere
Prefect
I got a set of Geomet rotors and ceramic pads from R1 Concepts for my 05' Impala SS V6 Supercharged and there was a HUGE difference. Brake pedal still has some cushion to it after a 4-way bleed but I think that's because I have a lot of rust.
I use some ATE performance Brake disks and brake pads. They do brake my car dependably from 124 mph to around 60 to 75 mph on German Autobahn. No fading.
Its about how to brake. Most people stand on the brake pedal a while just getting to overheat brakes.
Short and hard braking is better than long and soft braking.
You guys really look like good brothers like actual brothers. Love 🍩
So lads what we’ve learnt is that bigger is better no matter what people say
Just did all new drilled amd slotted rotor and pads for $285 shipped to my door and more than impressed with it 👌👌👌
Love what you guys make, keep it up.
Been waiting for this all week.
Love my Wilwoods. Good stuff guys.
We’re gonna be out there making friends lmaoooo love the cast in donut
lol 0:56 Nolan's box, "Do not fragile stack."
your brake caliper phone bit needed a "listen, can you stop? im on camera" cuz ya know, its a brake caliper
"you dont have money either"
"i wouldnt buy lunch"
Hahahahahajajhajahahahayshshacjfifif
Dragfazz if you don’t have money, probably shouldn’t be pissing around upgrading a car.
To be fair to the kit on the low car, it is still an upgrade to its original kit with plain disc :) Nice work, I had fun watching !
I love how like every video u guys make is suspiciously close to 10 minutes away every time and you never curse
Just my .02, if your vehicle is a track day car and not a race car, IMO it's not really worth it to get a big brake kit. Most of the increase in performance is in the pad material and rotor design. Also, flushing out your DOT-3 brake system with DOT-4 fluid and replacing the rubber end lines with braided stainless gets rid of most of the fade associated with rubber lines balooning.
Will the big brake kit be better than a brake upgrade it? Of course. More contact surface area = more available friction for a given coefficient of friction.
IMPORTANT DISTICTION: the big brake kit seen in this video is a FLOATING ROTOR setup, which is arguably much better than a standard rotor because the rotor doesn't dissipate heat into the hub as quickly. Heat in the hub leads to premature wear on you hub/spindle bearings.
Do you NEED the big brake kit? Unless your car weighs more than 3500 lbs and has to brake after continuous high-speed sections, probably not. Getting a pad with a better coefficient of friction and a rotor with better heat dissipation capabilities will help you out much more than you think.
Last caveat: I've ran into issues with cross-drilled rotors cracking before, which is why I go for slotted rotors exclusively now. You can do whatever you desire; just thought I'd throw that little tidbit out here in case someone was wondering.
Edit: I say this because although big brake kits are better performers, it's worthwhile to be cost-conscious when setting up a vehicle for the track. Less money spent on a brake system leaves more money for more trackdays.
source: results of modification on my own IS250 (not a 'fast' car, but a fun car to drive fast.)
And more money for tires n race fuel!
"Are you talking to your girlfriend over the phone again?!"
"No Dad, I'm talking to her with a brake caliper, just like you asked!"
*caliper
@@itssDrake First of all, I have been working on cars my entire life, I think I'm qualified. Secondly, he is calling the girl with a caliper, not a brake pad (4:31). Thirdly, caliber is the size opening of the end of a tube, commonly used to describe guns. I'm an aerospace engineer and believe I'm a little more knowledgeable than you, a thirteen year old kid on the internet. Thanks for your feedback however!
@@sethkaufman2107 dude, you roasted him like a turkey.
@@R.Sinnia Yeah, he deleted his 3 comments after that😂
@@sethkaufman2107 yeah, I didn't even see anyone of his comments as he deleted it before I came here. From your reply, I think he said you are a "English teacher" or something like that. 😂😂
I can see this isn’t going to get 10 million views, but give Nolan a raise he deserves it!
Over a year ago I saw this video and it made me want a wilwood bbk. I can now say they have finally arrived!!
This time I was this early james was hosting bumper 2 bumper
it's 2am and I'm here watching HiLow
I love these videos, appreciate you making it.. What product/brakes/rotors etc.. will give me Brembo like performances.. but maybe half the cost.. or something like that..
Frankly, for Low Car, what's missing on this one is two things for my mind.
1] Remanufactured; there's plenty of 2-pot replacement calipers for under $200
2] Sourcing a caliper upgrade (ie 2-pot) from another vehicle with the same bolt up/disc diameter clearance dimensions.
Whilst not springing for new gear I get, but don't ignore wrecker opportunities (which is exactly where such budgetly constrained punters as Low Car go).