Federal "Law Enforcement Tactical" HST 9mm 124gr. What's the catch?
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Not really sure why there are two different rounds and I'm sure you, the viewer, might know the difference. What I do know is that these "tactical" version are a heck of a lot cheaper!
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Agencies are getting HSTs for about $0.45 a round. Civilians can find them for $0.55 a round is the cheapest I've found the 124 grain +P HST.
It’s the same stuff. Your ammo companies generally don’t like the distributors to sell to everyday folks because they want us to be stuck buying the 20 round boxes at ~$30. Some retailers cave to that and will only sell to agencies or if you have credentials. Also remember agencies have bean counters and they’re damned sure not going to pay $1.50/round for ammo to go in department guns. I’d genuinely be curious what agencies actually pay for duty ammo. From the retailer I’ve been buying the most from recently, I buy a couple boxes whenever I order ammo. Most recently, the LE marked boxes have been $27.50-28.00.
Correct. It's the exact same round. Just different packaging quantities & marketing groups.
I shot the +P version of this ammo for the first time today. My 8 shot average out of the 16" Ruger PCC was 1378. No issues. Shot well.
Very good. I am such a fan of these HST's.
Did the hst hold up to those velocities is the pcc? Or it broke apart ?
@@eliromkalati8131 Unsure. Shot paper, not gel.
@@eliromkalati8131 Consider also, that at 38 yards, it has already dropped to 1250 fps, and, at 155 yards, it drops below 1000 fps.
These chronograph readings are off by quite a bit. It has been a few years now but I ran standard pressure and (+p) through 3", 3.5", 4.25" & 5". I was quite surprised how little difference there was between the 2. Either the 4.25" or 5" were only 25ish fps less with standard pressure. I think the standard was just over 1200 and the (+p) was 1230s 5 shot groups.
If I remember correctly even standard pressure was around 1100 from 3.1" Shield. That is a typical beautifully expanded HST. Thank you Sir.
Appreciate the reply. Might have to make a video on the speed differences with varying barrel lengths
I carry the 124gr.+P Speer Gold Dot in my EDC Glock 26. It was the same load i carried when i was on the job in my Glock 19.. I found that the 124gr.+P HST performs much like the Gold dot.. So much so that i bought two 50-round boxes of 124gr.+P HST from PSA on one of their daily deals..
What there's no difference.The law enforcement comes in Packs of fifty instead of twenty.
There are 3 or 4 9mm, 124 gr ive found to be the best. HST and Gold Dots are great but the important thing to remember is to run 200 rounds of defense ammo through every pistol you intend to carry/use for home defense even if you buy multiple G19s (as an example) each gun may shoot a brand better than the other. I know from experience. HSTs in what i have cycles and shoots accurately in ALL of what i have. Gold Dots hiccuped in some. Results vary from gun to gun within the same model. It's worth not betting your life if needed. It's just my option to eliminate variables you can control.
Avoid the avoidable, my thoughts exactly 😊
My choice for personal defense is Federal HST 124gr ! If your life depends on it you want Federal HST and you never will have a doubt as it will do it's job every time.
When your chronograph reads 420 it's not giving you information, it's making a request.
They are the same exact round, the only difference is the box, In my compact 9s I prefer the 124gr +P, the velocity from a 3.25" bbl is in the low to medium 1100s fps.
For a while 10 or so years ago there was no civilian packaged Hst, it was all law enforcement ammo. I believe federal wouldn’t sell for consumer use but you could still buy it from retailers online occasionally. Now it seems federal caved to the demand and made a “civilian” packaged hst. I’d guess if anything it might not have the primer sealant
That is exactly right. The "Tactical" stuff has sealed/laquered primers and the standard stuff does not.
Arr these ammo standerd pressure or +p?
Ive tested approximately 300 various rounds of ammo in different barrel lengths and in the 9mm, .40, 45acp, 357 sig, 357 mag and the 10mm. The HST always performs good and the 147 grain 9mm is probably the perfect 9mm round! I can tell you that short barrels in the sub compacts performs the least! The standard barrel at 4 & 1/4 or 4 & 1/2 inch barrels perform in second place! The absolute best test comes from the 4" barrel which is in the compact pistols! The compact pistol 4" barrel will give you the best performance! The HST always out performs the Gold dot by penetration and expansion!
I have some of that ammo in 147 gr it’s nice I like
Definitely good stuff
Thanks for the ammo review Andrew. Enjoy the weekend!!!
Thanks Brad. Same to you (6 days later)
Is it possible to shoot these rounds at an indoor range?
Yes, 100%
@@andrewmconrad I appreciate it. I learned a lot from your video as a new gun owner.
Yeah that chronograph had to have been acting screwy because I would think the round wouldn't even cycle the gun properly if it was pushing it out at such a low velocity. HST FTW!
Not being notified or not showing up in my feed buddy. Great video as always.
Thanks for the update. It's a constant battle with youtube. Appreciate you sticking around
Something to consider is your chronograph may have an intermittent display failure due to any damage it has suffered but you are probably right about the interference from the sun. 😎
This chronograph is in good working order. I have hit the post that holds the shade. I've had issues in the past with the angle of the sun hitting the sensors. I saw tools have a pop up tent over his setup and that's something I might consider in the future mainly to keep the temperature down on the actual devices themselves
Where did you find these so cheap? I can’t find them for much less than $1 per round.
I believe I got them from true shot gun club.
Bereli
So is there a difference in this and the other HST
Great question. I watched this video thinking I would get an answer.
@@LDR1100RS definitely didn't get the answer from video... I got a box from aim surplus tested it in dry wall and I'd say it's exactly the same
I got some HST 124 +P+ came out of my 365 at 1150 longer barrel was 1240 very hot not for practice!
I like this one a lot since this is what I carry too.
Brownell had the lab radar in stock yesterday for 625 and I had no Xtra money to get it I will be getting one...
I have some fed le 9mm 147gr hydra shok jhp tactical to try out
I don't think I've tried the punch or the hydra shok yet, but I need to
Barely show ir analyze the wound channel which is the most important part in these gel tests.
I'm looking for the best self defense bullets to buy because I just bought my gun and I need to know which one is going to be good for me and my family
In my honest opinion, I believe the Federal HST 124gr are the best for 9mm. But without training any practice, they're worthless
@@andrewmconrad oh shit I will do that
What does HST stand for?
Thanks for asking. I had to look it up. It stands for Hydra-Shok Technology. A quick search showed that the HST was released in 2002 and it is an updated version of the Hydra Shok. Might have to do a comparison video 🤔
@@andrewmconrad Thanks for responding
The cost is in the packaging. 20 round boxes are a ripoff. The ammo manufacturers get away with this because we allow it.
Well, you should consider the Speer Gold Dot G2 "Carry Gun" 9mm 135 gr. HP for self defense.
Can you do 147 GR next
Yup, sure can
420? That chronograph is a pothead jokester.
The difference is 20 vs 50 rounds. Same stuff 🇺🇸 🦅 🍺
I like 50 versus 20!
Yep. The LE box is just labeled like that to be 50 vs 20 rounds. Marketing gimmick
Don't see how it could be a gimick when it's half the price though 🤷🏻♂️
I think that Chrono is goofy
It’s the same ammo.
Thanks. That's what a lot of other people mentioned.
Same ammo, bigger box and cheaper. Marketing….
Those "LE trade-in" ammunition are usually out of spec. Every box ive ever bought contains a handful that are damaged. There is a reason why the agency that ordered them ultimately sold them off.
Civies dont get to use the stuff LE agencies use. The good stuff.
Those aren’t LE trade in that’s new ammo . Unless you’re referring to something else . That ammo is just made with a slight difference that the normal HST crimping is different and they have blue primer around bullet neck and the primer
Not true at all most agencies went or are going with critical duty… don’t assume just ask your local law what they carry…
Try shooting for yardage between hst & hst le. See how much penetration you get at 25 & 50 yds.
You're asking a lot on my accuracy, lol. I might be able to do 25 yards, but 50 yards would be pushing it unless I put 4 blocks on top and next to on another 🤔
Doesn’t LE just mean 50 rd boxes vs 20?
If that's the only difference I'm definitely in team LE's corner
@@andrewmconrad that’s the way I understand it
Yup. No other differences
Gold Dot will never tie with HST. It will come close and is a good alternative round. The real question here is why you continued with a failed video. Your equipment failed. You didn't shoot an HST and a Gold Dot. Why didn't you just pack up and come back when you had the problems worked out. Could have been an interesting video. I was a homicide detective when our Department adopted the black talon (HST's original name) and attended the autopsies of bad guys who had been shot with with it. The damage was monumental.
Black talons were Winchester Ranger, not Federal HST.
The real question is Y are you being a Ken and calling it a failed video? IMHO he did a good job and improvised. Also B4 assuming, he does have another video shooting both Gold Dot and HST and guess what? He tells his viewers what could possibly be wrong with his chrono and again he improvised and made a good vid. IMHO I don't think it's a failed vid and next time b4 criticizing, look through his library of vids then eat a snickers so Ken doesn't come back out of the closet. Dude is trying to educate us and U turn in to a Ken and mouth off? Go watch other videos or make your own
You don't need to pack up and quit because a few 420's were in there. The gel test is what master's. Hate to see how you investigate anything quitting so easily.
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@@user-ys1ki8sp8sOP got owned in the comment section, way to start it off 😂🎉🎉
420 lol wouldn't of chambered the next round
I’m embarrassed to even watch this video. Take it down.
U all are hung up on how pretty a round is when it opens up,
Pointless video