I sat through the entire video and i just wanna point out while this heroic guy here is talking about gaming details in wow, what he's really doing is giving you life advice. REALLY good life advice.
Tip for learning: When starting to tank or at the start of the new season, at the end of the dungeon, bring up the damage taken tab in Details and go through the top 10 sources of incoming damage and make sure that you understand where that damage came from, if you needed to take it and make a mental note about it for the future. It takes about 4-5 minutes and you’ll learn a lot over time about then to use your bigger mitigation CDs, stuns or where it may be more effective to just kite when your CDs runs out.
here are few advices from long time tank regarding anxiety in m+ 1. if you wipe or something dumb happens just have this lil macro prepared "get up and lets go again, stop wasting time", i dont talk during the key, standing around trying to reason with whiners is a waste of everyone's time 2. always be pulling, dont stop for a moment unless you really really need to (like waiting for dead to come to boss arena that would close or healer is dangerously low on mp before big pull) 3. you are not the only one in a group to deal with trash mechanics, others also have stuns, interrupts, slows, silences, defensives etc, its always those who dont use any of those that whine the most when pull goes south 4. low lvl m+ are most toxic, dont get discouraged, it gets better after +18, thats also when dps mistakes start one shotting them 5. tanks can survive almost anything, your party might not, play it safe, dont copy-paste mdi strats or attempt risky strats with pugs you never played with and the final most important thing tanks and dps are not that much different, just play a tank like you would play a dps but this time you can pull whatever you want, the only extra thing is using your defensives
Great video, seasoned m+ tank here, and one of the biggest things you touched upon here is actually great for timing keys, talk BEFORE the key, not during. Lets say you are in an Algethar's Academy Tell everyone beforehand what you want to do, link your route, explain that on Vexamus you will let one orb in after the second arcane cast, so they are ready for that damage, talk to them about crawth, if you want to do 5 3, the healer and DPS needs to know so they can adjust their CD usage (or tell you if they can't survive) Assign key kicks, rogue, you kick and stun the arcane staves in every pack there is one please, mage, I need you to range interrupt invokers before the last boss. This will save so many keys, because you are all on the same page.
Yes i think it's so helpfull. just little things help. tell people walk clockwise ariund the tree boss. i tell the heal that i'll pull crawth downstairs in windphase. so he isn't suprised if i'm out of sight. But yes @clarity251 has right too. under 20 it's most time useless to explain anything. But for me i know then that i tried my best to explain
I'm a healer and not a tank but I do have a personal philosophy on what tanks can/should do. Came into this video hoping you'd talk about a lot of the points and you basically hit every one. This is a great video and a great service to a segment of the M+ community. Thanks!
Much needed video for me. Tanking is so heavy, literally anything and it's my fault as a tank. Yeah, I should have to worry about every interrupt and i should have done more even though I had the most interrupts, stuns and good damage, but it's so easy to point at me. It's so annoying. Thank you Quazii.
I started tanking for the first time this season. Initially I LOVED it so much, but that was when I was overpowered and out levelled the content. Doings 2s and 4s and 6s at 390ilvl was dream work. Once we progressed higher and higher and the gear progression slowed down and content wasn't being outgeared, it took a toll on my confidence. Now I struggle to get through a run with no anxiety and always questioning myself and taking every problem a dungeon has as my own fault. These videos are great because it shows that it's not just a me problem and alot of others go through the same thing. Appreciate the hard work you do, Mate.
Thank you for this! I am gonna play tank in the new season and start to prepare myself with all the tips, your great ui and learning from you and other great tanks right now to gain knowledge and confidence for the future. Looking forward to your season 2 content. Keep it up, Quazii, you do great work and are so humble and calm, I really like your way of doing things and your mindset! My favorite content creator for wow of all times!!!
100% agree with what you say here - as a tank main who pugs basically everything from heroic raid to +20 keys, it's important to have a thick skin, and doubly important to communicate well with people. One thing I have started doing is marking my groups 'discord encouraged', and I put together a separate (free) discord server to invite people to. I've learned so many tips and tricks by just talking to random people about their specs, strategizing live, etc. And, while I agree that there can be creatures that lurk in the depths of WoW, most of the people I chat with are pretty cool, especially if they're willing to jump in a server and talk to you. Big takeaway - just have fun with it. It's a game.
I noticed few times, when i was thinking my group is doing poor job interupting, that i had one CC on cooldown. We all make mistakes, even in championships teams wipe to a single boss.
I'm always open to two options; Either I know exactly what to do, or I haven't got the first clue. I'm up front about whichever I'm feeling in the moment, but I can flip that coin as soon as I need to in order to deal with my situation. If I don't know and no one else can lead? I'm going to guess as confidently as possible, and try my best. If I know exactly what would be best for our comp? I'm going to tell everyone what to do, spam flags and icons and expect I've got full support. If neither of these work? I'm still going to try to keep aggro, and keep you fighting as long as possible- I won't stop until the key is done or bricked. because I'm the tank, that's my role.
Great vid mate. Thank you for the insight. I feel so much anxiety sometimes that the game stops being fun. The printscreen of the route on the second monitor is so simple and such a great help, my biggest stress is memorizing the routes.
This is such a great topic. Your original one on it in Shadowlands helped me learn (as well as the coaching videos you did on my terrible plaguefall runs!). I have been insulted just about every way possible (although I don't doubt the next one will be original) but eventually you get confident enough that I can chat with my guild about it and we all have a laugh. I have been told "Your prot pally tanking makes me sick to my stomach" "You had to have bought your gear" "BAD TANK BAD TANK BAD BAD BAD" and now when I make a mistake with a guildmate they'll bust out with one and it's an instant tension breaker. The only way you get better is by trying, failing, analyzing and then correcting the failure. That's why recording the runs is so important. Nvidia has a recorder bundled in with their tools (GeForce Experience). No idea how it compares to others but it's simple enough for me (control F9 toggles record on and off).
Most times for me, the most stressful part about tanking are packs that are closely placed together. One wrong move, or interrupt missed and now you have a very stressful ninja pull. This is almost always blamed on the tank. Sometimes you just don’t have space to maneuver them away from a pat or a pack that is right next to you. It would be nice to have some videos explaining mob mechanics which are at times more dangerous than most bosses.
the most stressful role is healer tbh. you rarely hear people complain about the tank. omg, if you let a dps die a couple of times, especially like lock or hunter, you just wait for them to say something ugly. I don't know why, but it's always those three classes.
Yep, some Hunter (and I love playing Hunter too) blaming my heals for him getting 1-shotted after he pulled agro. No fun. They die in 1/2 a cast bar and scream abuse at the Healers! Or they just let you get pummeled repeatedly... not me, I watch Healers.
This anxiety is the reason I'm at 2.2k IO. I just need to get in there and do it! I am a decent tank but avoid groups that have higher io than me because of this anxiety.
i actualy do the oposite... i inv higher rio ppl then me.... and if i fck up even if they r toxic most of the time they will say what i did wrong so i can do better next time... also i rly dont care about toxicity but i value the advice though...
awesome stuff. would be cool to see a part two of this on how to dissect details/combatlogs. (ie. buff uptimes, missed interrupts, resource usage, overcapping resources, etc)
As main tank for years and years just 1 tip know the dungeon all the mobs and all the boss and all the spell and all the best route and stop. If u can try to no reply the toxic chat that's all
I watched this, and I took A LOT from it. Not just for tanking, or for healing, or for wow. Knowledge is power, and that goes for many aspects in life. Really really good video
As someone who has been tanking M+ with the same class since BFA, this video was still so helpful for me. I get so anxious about keys because I always pug, and pugs can be really toxic. Thanks so much for making this video because it’s so encouraging to see someone who plays at a high level say these things.
I have been tanking since Cata, and I still get anxious while LFGing and playing the first few pulls. I have to tell myself within every Dungeon, during the first few pulls, to calm down, slow down, and then everything just falls into place as you discover the group's rythm. It usually takes at least the first Boss to discover and nail it down. Its tough, but yet very exciting when all goes well.
I've tanked during Legion but not so much since, very frustrating sometimes because as a tank you have a "big picture" perspective. You see all the mistakes people do and there's nothing you can do but to bait them with the mobs, this alone doesn't always work and people don't get it why you are moving "for no reason".
Ever since I started maining a tank, I've found that my interactions in game have turned more pleasant. People constantly try to add me in-game, or tell me they really liked *this or that* from my tanking, even if it was a depelete. While starting to learn tanking is very daunting, if you actively try to get better, people WILL notice you and want to play with you more. This kind of thing also happened while dps'ing in high keys, but it is way more common as a tank (and probably a healer too).
As a healer I don't even worry when someone dies now, at times it's my fault but most times it's just a DPS that wants to tank or stands way too far away. It doesn't matter I don't say anything just expect them to get up and continue,
Great vid man! The only thing I’d add is to try and be the voice of reason in your group. If someone makes a mistake and they’re getting put on blast you gotta reel that back in quick before the groups morale breaks. You can easily still time a key with a wipe but if someone leaves because they keep getting flamed it’s a wrap. Anyone in the group can do this of course but I think it’s a good mental to have as a tank especially.
I get what you are saying, and it also applies to healing (maybe even more). It is complicated, generates anxiety and it's so unrewarding. As someone who has played the 3 roles and that has mained healer this expansion, I have found myself enjoying the game less and less.
Tanking is the jiu jitsu of WoW. Expect failure but reap the rewards of consistency over time and the lessons learned along the way. Like this lesson! Great words.
Been a tank since vanilla and took a break just before mythic dungeon release in legion. Came back last expansion and the importance of routing familiarity due to prideful and etc kinda took away the confidence in tanking in me. Thanks for the vid! It definitely help. Your recent project to get each tanks to timed 20s also lit the fire in me to tank again so we’ll see. 👍
I don’t have a fear of taking, but this is literally me last night and +14 Halls of Infusion. Some warlock in the beginning was asking why I keep tanking the mobs on the stairs? I wasn’t. And I just thought to myself I don’t have the time to type and explain this, especially since it’s such an insignificant part of the dungeon.
@@billytheweasel Id suggest to be confident in your decisions and know the dungeon. Sometimes suggestions are worthwhile and its important not to completely ignore everyone, but you need to have a solid understanding of the run so you know when a suggestion/critique is utter BS
After watching a bunch of your M+ guides for season 2 of Dragonflight, i will drop my old Main (Fire Mage) for a new one (Prot Pala). Good luck to you guys and Quazii thanks for being awesome
I'm sure you get this plenty, but I've never wanted to actually support a WoW content creator as hard as I do after watching this video. I'm terrified of tanking in M+. I've only every really done DPS in WoW, I tried tanking in FF out of just sheer curiosity and I loved it, I tried it in other games and loved it there too. I personally find no higher calling than ensuring that my team is as protected as possible and I have an unhealthy desire to be efficient in my doings. I have only ever tried casual dungeons with tanking, with the exception of once or twice with friends back in BFA and that was always a low key. Tanking in WoW seems so much more terrifying than other MMOs. I'm not sure if that itself is logical in a broader spectrum, but I know who I've met in WoW. They can be the most callous and cold creatures I've met, a simple mistake seems to always be the icing on the cake, and personal responsibility is so hard for so many of them. I only want to become better at this, and to prove to myself that I can crush this, and this video is beyond amazing at calling out those fears and not just telling you to confront them, but also how to. It analyzes what fears a common player might face when approaching thanking, and how to see past them. You are a wonderful soul my friend, and you've given me courage. While you do not know me, I would like you to know that I too am stubborn at times. I've always thrived on my own instinct and personal courage. But today you have taught me in a way that I don't often think people capable of. Thank you, from the depths of my soul.
i switched from classic back to retail for the first time since mop, with the goal of tanking m+ and i have felt that anxiety pre key a lot and have had to consciously push through it. especially the first few times i did court of stars because i was so confused by the route lol!.
Thanks quazi. As a tank who only pushes with friends. Not very high end just KSM with a group of about 7 folks. This will help me getting into higher pug keys as always love your content.
I even got anxiety to tank normals and heroics...I enjoyed tanking back in vanilla and tbc, but people just begun to complain more and more as years passed. New generation, and the safe style I tend to go was just too slow. They wanted the dungeon done 5 minutes ago. It sucks...I want to love tanking again...
Jumped into Mythic Dungeons with my Guardian Druid. All new to me. Completed 11 dungeons within timer (5 - 9). Only 930 but would never had progressed without watching this video. Thank you for your content. 🤟
Quazii'sa modern day Lao Tzu: "Fill your bowl to the brim and it will spill. Keep sharpening your knife and it will blunt. Chase after money and security and your heart will never unclench. Care about people's approval and you will be their prisoner. Do your work, then step back. The only path to serenity."
I hit 2500 io on both dps and healer after starting playing at the end of season 1. I’ve wanted to get into tanking as it’s a role I haven’t played yet but it feels so daunting to do so. Even though I have a good idea on what the mobs do and bosses do, doing it as a tank is way more stressful. This video has helped a lot and hopefully I can hit the same milestone as the other 2 roles this season
Thank you so much for this video: it was definitely needed! ❤ I was telling some friends earlier this week how I'd like to try tanking, but with it being so late in the season, and I pug keys? Pugs aren't very friendly to beginners or people wanting to learn new roles 😑 I'll try tanking at the start of the new season: fresh start, no one knows the routes, so people aren't as impatient and more forgiving when you're learning a new role/class.
As a tank player I would say start now, you already know the dungeons. Just do low keys until you get a feel for your tank of choice. There's really no reason to wait, get in there champ!
Just reading the "unleash your inner Tank" under the Thumbnail made me laugh so hard 🤣 Thanks for your words. Yes It's hard as a Tank when all of your other Partymember think they can do it better 🙄 For me one of the important things is not to avoid "scary" Dungeon like Azure Vault for example. You need to do them over and over to lose the insecurity.
My 2 cents as a now main tank. Start doing all keys on lvl 2 no matter what level you are at. Then move to your lowest high for me it's like 15 keys since I only pug nowadays. As a tank i don't give 2 Shits about the rest of the group besides noticeing healer mana and lets say MDI lvl dps i try and pull around their CDs and the best advice is just do it dummy! Keep signing to keys and doing them no matter how bad you are you will ONLY get better with experience nothing else matters (pun intended) turning of chat is a essential part of playing tank in pugs below 14-15+ keys above 18 you will have more players on the same level (for some reason people seem to be better on higher keys 😱.
Tank triple horse, double guard, double cat in cos 17. It was a red flag. Then he was like a beyblade on boss 1. It was legit impossible, he seemed so unaware. Knows his skills, but he was defo not gonna be doing well in keys
Ngl I get a little bummed when I know I had a stellar run tanking, and at the end everyone just says “gg” and drops group. When I dps on my main, I’m always trying to throw out compliments so people get pumped up for their next key
I think the addon is platter I believe not sure but I have a addon that shows defense cds and interrupts on cd of all party members I have 3 dps meters as a tank 1 for dps 1 for dmg taken and another for interrupts you can see whose not doing there job pretty easily also your job as a tank is to hold aggro move use defense cds if you’re think your gonna die and just keep moving if you have a interrupt use it but it’s not your fault after that a guild is the best thing for new tanks join a guild let them know you have doubts about tanking and they will help it’s a great thing to have a guild in this game
Nice vid, really a shame some people get the impression M+ is a toxic hellhole it mostly isn't in my experience. I only get anxious for keys that are multiple levels over what I've done before because I don't know if I can live.
alot of this are true for healers aswell. they keep getting blamed for not keeping rest of group alive even if its clear that have more to do with lack of interupts. i never blacklist tanks for simply doing a mistake, but only when they really bad, or toxic.
I once had a healer die 3 times in a row from the whirlwind dudes in AA just before the endboss and he raged on the whole group for "not protecting him" (I was tanking). Helps to remind yourself that no one is a saint and that every role can mess up.
Taking in pugs is fine and relaxing from +2 to +8 then us stressful from +9 to +15 then is easy from +16. Reason being in low m+ if you miss an interrupt, going the wrong path is still fine no one will die. During m+ 9 to 15 is when mobs will kill you if you miss a interrupt and that's where DPS have to step up and most players don't know that or just blame the tank. After m15 most players that made it know the dungeon so is much easier.
Don't try to learn the dungeon at 15.... I often find I've gotten in a run with someone who got some gear but doesn't know simple things about the dungeon because they got carried by friends or guildies.
I think most people feel anxiety tanking M+ because you're on the clock. It's not a game anymore, it's become a job. Gotta go Go GO! I already have a job. Not sure I want a second. Especially one I have to drag around a bunch of entitled whiners that blame me for the lack of dps.
After 5 years of tanking high m+ keys , all u need to know is these two A. Dont do ur own key unless uare mentally ready for it to deplete B.if u see any toxicity from anyone in someone elses key, leave no player has the slightest right to insult a tank
what i always thought the stacks on the bird boss where a healer decision not a tank one. I always tell my group 4 stacks before we pull ill be honest i never thought 5 stacks was an option people get one shot even with zephyr maybe if they did personals with zephyr.
hi mate, try the third :D Love your Plater and weak auras, but can you advise me how to increase the name of the target in the cast bar. I mean the name of the player that the spell cast is aimed at. I can't even see it with my glasses :D
The "go go go" dps player is by far the worst i have met. Whine that you arent pulling enough, because they want to pop off. Sorry mate, i am not comfortable pulling that many at this stage of my tanking experience. As a new brewmaster tank, i am trying to learn my limits and when to use my brews etc.
so what do you think about the annulet for tanks? think stacking a bunch of the defensive stones will be worth it? Just looking at it, assuming they buff it to the point where things are better than just using a 418/421 ring, a few standouts called to me. one, just the straight up fire damage proc, just for an extra source of procs for the eranog or broodkeeper ring. the frost shield, while it's a small shield, giving 6 seconds of effectively 15% mitigation from melee damage seems like it would be pretty good for mythic+, since its a known quantity, every 20 sec. 3rd i was thinking depending on the proc rate, either the shadow damage and self heal, or the lava shield that makes attackers take fire damage. for a prot warrior the lava shield one seems pretty good, since it procs off absorbs, and i'd imagine ignore pain counts. wowhead seems to think tanks just want Dps proc, another dps proc, and another dps proc. there's something to be said for that, but i dont know. the ring needs a lot of love to actually be good. if each gem was Proc + some random secondary stats then it would be okay. even if it only worked out to half the secondary stats of a normal ring of that ilvl, it'd be a lot less painful to use, but i just cant see myself losing 4% haste.
Hmm as of the moment I’m chilling on them - I think they are really good for fresh alts for easy ilvl, but I’ll have to try them for myself to be convinced they replace my mains existing rings (:
The exact reason I never tank PUG M+, toxic people. I only play with real life friends that are within social range (you talk alot of shit for someone within slap range). Another reason I don't like PUG M+'s, 1 wipe for whatever reason and boom - people leave, especially people from eastern Europa countries straight up leave group the second a wipe occures. edit: i report these people who leave the dungeon early after wiping, i dont know if it has any meaning and blizzard does something with it though.
I sat through the entire video and i just wanna point out while this heroic guy here is talking about gaming details in wow, what he's really doing is giving you life advice.
REALLY good life advice.
so TRUE LOL
I treat toxic people irl as NPC's and their venom just rolls off easier.
Tip for learning: When starting to tank or at the start of the new season, at the end of the dungeon, bring up the damage taken tab in Details and go through the top 10 sources of incoming damage and make sure that you understand where that damage came from, if you needed to take it and make a mental note about it for the future. It takes about 4-5 minutes and you’ll learn a lot over time about then to use your bigger mitigation CDs, stuns or where it may be more effective to just kite when your CDs runs out.
Thats actually a very big tip!
Great tip!
great tip, thanks
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That is a very good tip, thank you I start doing this.
here are few advices from long time tank regarding anxiety in m+
1. if you wipe or something dumb happens just have this lil macro prepared "get up and lets go again, stop wasting time", i dont talk during the key, standing around trying to reason with whiners is a waste of everyone's time
2. always be pulling, dont stop for a moment unless you really really need to (like waiting for dead to come to boss arena that would close or healer is dangerously low on mp before big pull)
3. you are not the only one in a group to deal with trash mechanics, others also have stuns, interrupts, slows, silences, defensives etc, its always those who dont use any of those that whine the most when pull goes south
4. low lvl m+ are most toxic, dont get discouraged, it gets better after +18, thats also when dps mistakes start one shotting them
5. tanks can survive almost anything, your party might not, play it safe, dont copy-paste mdi strats or attempt risky strats with pugs you never played with
and the final most important thing
tanks and dps are not that much different, just play a tank like you would play a dps but this time you can pull whatever you want, the only extra thing is using your defensives
Great video, seasoned m+ tank here, and one of the biggest things you touched upon here is actually great for timing keys, talk BEFORE the key, not during.
Lets say you are in an Algethar's Academy
Tell everyone beforehand what you want to do, link your route, explain that on Vexamus you will let one orb in after the second arcane cast, so they are ready for that damage, talk to them about crawth, if you want to do 5 3, the healer and DPS needs to know so they can adjust their CD usage (or tell you if they can't survive)
Assign key kicks, rogue, you kick and stun the arcane staves in every pack there is one please, mage, I need you to range interrupt invokers before the last boss.
This will save so many keys, because you are all on the same page.
Yes i think it's so helpfull. just little things help. tell people walk clockwise ariund the tree boss. i tell the heal that i'll pull crawth downstairs in windphase. so he isn't suprised if i'm out of sight.
But yes @clarity251 has right too. under 20 it's most time useless to explain anything. But for me i know then that i tried my best to explain
You're so wholesome it hurts. Much love for your channel Quazii.
I'm a healer and not a tank but I do have a personal philosophy on what tanks can/should do. Came into this video hoping you'd talk about a lot of the points and you basically hit every one. This is a great video and a great service to a segment of the M+ community. Thanks!
Much needed video for me. Tanking is so heavy, literally anything and it's my fault as a tank. Yeah, I should have to worry about every interrupt and i should have done more even though I had the most interrupts, stuns and good damage, but it's so easy to point at me. It's so annoying. Thank you Quazii.
I started tanking for the first time this season. Initially I LOVED it so much, but that was when I was overpowered and out levelled the content. Doings 2s and 4s and 6s at 390ilvl was dream work. Once we progressed higher and higher and the gear progression slowed down and content wasn't being outgeared, it took a toll on my confidence. Now I struggle to get through a run with no anxiety and always questioning myself and taking every problem a dungeon has as my own fault.
These videos are great because it shows that it's not just a me problem and alot of others go through the same thing. Appreciate the hard work you do, Mate.
Thank you for this! I am gonna play tank in the new season and start to prepare myself with all the tips, your great ui and learning from you and other great tanks right now to gain knowledge and confidence for the future. Looking forward to your season 2 content. Keep it up, Quazii, you do great work and are so humble and calm, I really like your way of doing things and your mindset! My favorite content creator for wow of all times!!!
thanks so much for the kind words
100% agree with what you say here - as a tank main who pugs basically everything from heroic raid to +20 keys, it's important to have a thick skin, and doubly important to communicate well with people.
One thing I have started doing is marking my groups 'discord encouraged', and I put together a separate (free) discord server to invite people to. I've learned so many tips and tricks by just talking to random people about their specs, strategizing live, etc. And, while I agree that there can be creatures that lurk in the depths of WoW, most of the people I chat with are pretty cool, especially if they're willing to jump in a server and talk to you.
Big takeaway - just have fun with it. It's a game.
This is the biggest reason why I have not started tanking
I noticed few times, when i was thinking my group is doing poor job interupting, that i had one CC on cooldown. We all make mistakes, even in championships teams wipe to a single boss.
I'm always open to two options; Either I know exactly what to do, or I haven't got the first clue. I'm up front about whichever I'm feeling in the moment, but I can flip that coin as soon as I need to in order to deal with my situation. If I don't know and no one else can lead? I'm going to guess as confidently as possible, and try my best. If I know exactly what would be best for our comp? I'm going to tell everyone what to do, spam flags and icons and expect I've got full support.
If neither of these work? I'm still going to try to keep aggro, and keep you fighting as long as possible- I won't stop until the key is done or bricked. because I'm the tank, that's my role.
Many of these tips apply to everyone. Good video.
Great vid mate. Thank you for the insight.
I feel so much anxiety sometimes that the game stops being fun.
The printscreen of the route on the second monitor is so simple and such a great help, my biggest stress is memorizing the routes.
This is such a great topic. Your original one on it in Shadowlands helped me learn (as well as the coaching videos you did on my terrible plaguefall runs!). I have been insulted just about every way possible (although I don't doubt the next one will be original) but eventually you get confident enough that I can chat with my guild about it and we all have a laugh. I have been told "Your prot pally tanking makes me sick to my stomach" "You had to have bought your gear" "BAD TANK BAD TANK BAD BAD BAD" and now when I make a mistake with a guildmate they'll bust out with one and it's an instant tension breaker. The only way you get better is by trying, failing, analyzing and then correcting the failure. That's why recording the runs is so important. Nvidia has a recorder bundled in with their tools (GeForce Experience). No idea how it compares to others but it's simple enough for me (control F9 toggles record on and off).
Most times for me, the most stressful part about tanking are packs that are closely placed together. One wrong move, or interrupt missed and now you have a very stressful ninja pull. This is almost always blamed on the tank. Sometimes you just don’t have space to maneuver them away from a pat or a pack that is right next to you. It would be nice to have some videos explaining mob mechanics which are at times more dangerous than most bosses.
the most stressful part is that no one has interupts on keybinds in pugs
Just plan for the ninja pull if you pug 🗿
the most stressful role is healer tbh. you rarely hear people complain about the tank. omg, if you let a dps die a couple of times, especially like lock or hunter, you just wait for them to say something ugly. I don't know why, but it's always those three classes.
Yep, some Hunter (and I love playing Hunter too) blaming my heals for him getting 1-shotted after he pulled agro. No fun.
They die in 1/2 a cast bar and scream abuse at the Healers! Or they just let you get pummeled repeatedly... not me, I watch Healers.
This anxiety is the reason I'm at 2.2k IO. I just need to get in there and do it! I am a decent tank but avoid groups that have higher io than me because of this anxiety.
i actualy do the oposite... i inv higher rio ppl then me.... and if i fck up even if they r toxic most of the time they will say what i did wrong so i can do better next time... also i rly dont care about toxicity but i value the advice though...
awesome stuff. would be cool to see a part two of this on how to dissect details/combatlogs. (ie. buff uptimes, missed interrupts, resource usage, overcapping resources, etc)
Thank you😢. Tanking can be so stressful at times. Especially in high keys.
As main tank for years and years just 1 tip know the dungeon all the mobs and all the boss and all the spell and all the best route and stop. If u can try to no reply the toxic chat that's all
I came for tanking advice and left inspired to succeed in life. You are a legend.
didint know that this feeling is actually a thing that happens to others too
Tanked from vanilla to mid bfa. Used to shorten the name to Tanxiety. But great video explaining all the ways to fight it!
I watched this, and I took A LOT from it. Not just for tanking, or for healing, or for wow.
Knowledge is power, and that goes for many aspects in life. Really really good video
As someone who has been tanking M+ with the same class since BFA, this video was still so helpful for me. I get so anxious about keys because I always pug, and pugs can be really toxic. Thanks so much for making this video because it’s so encouraging to see someone who plays at a high level say these things.
I have been tanking since Cata, and I still get anxious while LFGing and playing the first few pulls. I have to tell myself within every Dungeon, during the first few pulls, to calm down, slow down, and then everything just falls into place as you discover the group's rythm. It usually takes at least the first Boss to discover and nail it down. Its tough, but yet very exciting when all goes well.
@@RogerEngland very true!
Why, u will never see them again. Just let it rip and have fun.
@@calapsesathir4408 true!
I've tanked during Legion but not so much since, very frustrating sometimes because as a tank you have a "big picture" perspective.
You see all the mistakes people do and there's nothing you can do but to bait them with the mobs, this alone doesn't always work and people don't get it why you are moving "for no reason".
You rock Quazii
Ever since I started maining a tank, I've found that my interactions in game have turned more pleasant. People constantly try to add me in-game, or tell me they really liked *this or that* from my tanking, even if it was a depelete.
While starting to learn tanking is very daunting, if you actively try to get better, people WILL notice you and want to play with you more.
This kind of thing also happened while dps'ing in high keys, but it is way more common as a tank (and probably a healer too).
I agree with this. I think people like to add tanks that try, if anything to make the queue times go down significantly.
Great tips! Been a tank since BC but have played on and off and started mythic plus grind recently and your tips have been a great help!
I pugged my way to 3k and let me tell you the difference in "skill" and "toxic" pugs varies heavily.
As a healer I don't even worry when someone dies now, at times it's my fault but most times it's just a DPS that wants to tank or stands way too far away. It doesn't matter I don't say anything just expect them to get up and continue,
Great vid man! The only thing I’d add is to try and be the voice of reason in your group. If someone makes a mistake and they’re getting put on blast you gotta reel that back in quick before the groups morale breaks. You can easily still time a key with a wipe but if someone leaves because they keep getting flamed it’s a wrap. Anyone in the group can do this of course but I think it’s a good mental to have as a tank especially.
I get what you are saying, and it also applies to healing (maybe even more). It is complicated, generates anxiety and it's so unrewarding. As someone who has played the 3 roles and that has mained healer this expansion, I have found myself enjoying the game less and less.
Awesome video! Thanks for all the info!
Tanking is the jiu jitsu of WoW. Expect failure but reap the rewards of consistency over time and the lessons learned along the way. Like this lesson! Great words.
Wow this sounds like i just got a free tank therapy session haha love it
i thought i was such a noob for using printscreen on the second monitor
Love the video quazii keep up the great work bro i do everything u mentioned in your video
Been a tank since vanilla and took a break just before mythic dungeon release in legion. Came back last expansion and the importance of routing familiarity due to prideful and etc kinda took away the confidence in tanking in me. Thanks for the vid! It definitely help. Your recent project to get each tanks to timed 20s also lit the fire in me to tank again so we’ll see. 👍
Let’s goooo! Keep me posted!
I don’t have a fear of taking, but this is literally me last night and +14 Halls of Infusion. Some warlock in the beginning was asking why I keep tanking the mobs on the stairs? I wasn’t. And I just thought to myself I don’t have the time to type and explain this, especially since it’s such an insignificant part of the dungeon.
Would you suggest turning off chat like some comments say, or is chat info needed?
@@billytheweasel Id suggest to be confident in your decisions and know the dungeon. Sometimes suggestions are worthwhile and its important not to completely ignore everyone, but you need to have a solid understanding of the run so you know when a suggestion/critique is utter BS
After watching a bunch of your M+ guides for season 2 of Dragonflight, i will drop my old Main (Fire Mage) for a new one (Prot Pala). Good luck to you guys and Quazii thanks for being awesome
I'm sure you get this plenty, but I've never wanted to actually support a WoW content creator as hard as I do after watching this video. I'm terrified of tanking in M+. I've only every really done DPS in WoW, I tried tanking in FF out of just sheer curiosity and I loved it, I tried it in other games and loved it there too. I personally find no higher calling than ensuring that my team is as protected as possible and I have an unhealthy desire to be efficient in my doings. I have only ever tried casual dungeons with tanking, with the exception of once or twice with friends back in BFA and that was always a low key. Tanking in WoW seems so much more terrifying than other MMOs. I'm not sure if that itself is logical in a broader spectrum, but I know who I've met in WoW. They can be the most callous and cold creatures I've met, a simple mistake seems to always be the icing on the cake, and personal responsibility is so hard for so many of them. I only want to become better at this, and to prove to myself that I can crush this, and this video is beyond amazing at calling out those fears and not just telling you to confront them, but also how to. It analyzes what fears a common player might face when approaching thanking, and how to see past them. You are a wonderful soul my friend, and you've given me courage. While you do not know me, I would like you to know that I too am stubborn at times. I've always thrived on my own instinct and personal courage. But today you have taught me in a way that I don't often think people capable of. Thank you, from the depths of my soul.
you are too utterly kind Nick - I am really glad I managed to make an impact of your life. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts.
cool
Recording keys is a great method, but it sucks when you have around two hours per day or less to play due to your work hours.
i switched from classic back to retail for the first time since mop, with the goal of tanking m+ and i have felt that anxiety pre key a lot and have had to consciously push through it. especially the first few times i did court of stars because i was so confused by the route lol!.
Thanks quazi. As a tank who only pushes with friends. Not very high end just KSM with a group of about 7 folks. This will help me getting into higher pug keys as always love your content.
I even got anxiety to tank normals and heroics...I enjoyed tanking back in vanilla and tbc, but people just begun to complain more and more as years passed. New generation, and the safe style I tend to go was just too slow. They wanted the dungeon done 5 minutes ago. It sucks...I want to love tanking again...
Same. People are both hypersensitive and toxically cruel ...because they can. I need to hunt for a chill group I guess.
Quazii, an absolute gift in many ways. Thanks.
thank you so much for the support
Jumped into Mythic Dungeons with my Guardian Druid. All new to me. Completed 11 dungeons within timer (5 - 9). Only 930 but would never had progressed without watching this video. Thank you for your content. 🤟
Very inspirational, thanks for the video!
Protect quazzi at all costs
You are so kind ❤️
Quazii'sa modern day Lao Tzu:
"Fill your bowl to the brim
and it will spill.
Keep sharpening your knife
and it will blunt.
Chase after money and security
and your heart will never unclench.
Care about people's approval
and you will be their prisoner. Do your work, then step back.
The only path to serenity."
nice... my plan is to plan and practice - like a musician or athlete etc. Repetition and study.
I hit 2500 io on both dps and healer after starting playing at the end of season 1. I’ve wanted to get into tanking as it’s a role I haven’t played yet but it feels so daunting to do so. Even though I have a good idea on what the mobs do and bosses do, doing it as a tank is way more stressful. This video has helped a lot and hopefully I can hit the same milestone as the other 2 roles this season
Nice bro, verry usefull information
Thank you so much for this video: it was definitely needed! ❤
I was telling some friends earlier this week how I'd like to try tanking, but with it being so late in the season, and I pug keys? Pugs aren't very friendly to beginners or people wanting to learn new roles 😑
I'll try tanking at the start of the new season: fresh start, no one knows the routes, so people aren't as impatient and more forgiving when you're learning a new role/class.
As a tank player I would say start now, you already know the dungeons. Just do low keys until you get a feel for your tank of choice. There's really no reason to wait, get in there champ!
I agree bro, now u know the dungeons so even if u haven't tanked them u atleast have a vague idea in terms of where to go and what to pull (tank here)
I love your video so much. Your voice & energy are so great.
you just made my day
Great content
Excellent video and excellent tips. 👍🏽
Just reading the "unleash your inner Tank" under the Thumbnail made me laugh so hard 🤣
Thanks for your words. Yes It's hard as a Tank when all of your other Partymember think they can do it better 🙄
For me one of the important things is not to avoid "scary" Dungeon like Azure Vault for example. You need to do them over and over to lose
the insecurity.
My 2 cents as a now main tank. Start doing all keys on lvl 2 no matter what level you are at. Then move to your lowest high for me it's like 15 keys since I only pug nowadays. As a tank i don't give 2 Shits about the rest of the group besides noticeing healer mana and lets say MDI lvl dps i try and pull around their CDs and the best advice is just do it dummy! Keep signing to keys and doing them no matter how bad you are you will ONLY get better with experience nothing else matters (pun intended) turning of chat is a essential part of playing tank in pugs below 14-15+ keys above 18 you will have more players on the same level (for some reason people seem to be better on higher keys 😱.
Tank triple horse, double guard, double cat in cos 17. It was a red flag.
Then he was like a beyblade on boss 1. It was legit impossible, he seemed so unaware. Knows his skills, but he was defo not gonna be doing well in keys
Ngl I get a little bummed when I know I had a stellar run tanking, and at the end everyone just says “gg” and drops group. When I dps on my main, I’m always trying to throw out compliments so people get pumped up for their next key
people: tank axiety. Me: look im hitting the shiney buttons ma!
Biggest tip use your own key for a while then it's your key you break so who gives a ......
I think the addon is platter I believe not sure but I have a addon that shows defense cds and interrupts on cd of all party members I have 3 dps meters as a tank 1 for dps 1 for dmg taken and another for interrupts you can see whose not doing there job pretty easily also your job as a tank is to hold aggro move use defense cds if you’re think your gonna die and just keep moving if you have a interrupt use it but it’s not your fault after that a guild is the best thing for new tanks join a guild let them know you have doubts about tanking and they will help it’s a great thing to have a guild in this game
very good tips !
I'm a main BM hunter, my reroll is a tank. When I'm on my tank, I see people as my pets kekw.
As soon as they get abusive it's NPC status for them! lol
This is why my iLev 400 Paladin is never tanking. I am just too chicken..
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Great video. If I have succeeded today(only a very little though) it’s only because of your advise.. Thank you 🙏
Healing is much worse tbh, you get blamed for literally all the fuckups if you wipe or if someone dies. If you want to heal, play a tank.
Nice vid, really a shame some people get the impression M+ is a toxic hellhole it mostly isn't in my experience. I only get anxious for keys that are multiple levels over what I've done before because I don't know if I can live.
Thanks for sharing!
best way to make someone leave the key if they complain about anything is to just hit them with cope, works 99% of the time
alot of this are true for healers aswell. they keep getting blamed for not keeping rest of group alive even if its clear that have more to do with lack of interupts. i never blacklist tanks for simply doing a mistake, but only when they really bad, or toxic.
I once had a healer die 3 times in a row from the whirlwind dudes in AA just before the endboss and he raged on the whole group for "not protecting him" (I was tanking). Helps to remind yourself that no one is a saint and that every role can mess up.
I quit healing due to this. I put my shortest kick on the spacebar and others on mouse wheel. I always check my INT's on Details and hate to miss.
Taking in pugs is fine and relaxing from +2 to +8 then us stressful from +9 to +15 then is easy from +16. Reason being in low m+ if you miss an interrupt, going the wrong path is still fine no one will die. During m+ 9 to 15 is when mobs will kill you if you miss a interrupt and that's where DPS have to step up and most players don't know that or just blame the tank. After m15 most players that made it know the dungeon so is much easier.
great advice, as usual ! :) What is that weakaura for tracking your debuffs called? :)
I just expect pug dpses to be stupid, has helped alot
Los the pugs where ya Need them. Shepherding pugs can be fun!
It is crazy how much easier 18+ keys are than anything from 11-17, only because that’s about the level you stop getting brain dead dps.
I might be odd but to me dpsing or healing is alot more stressful.
what would be the ranking of tanks in terms of easy to play to hardest to play?
What is a good tank spec for someone new to tanking that could help lessen tank anxiety?
Don't try to learn the dungeon at 15.... I often find I've gotten in a run with someone who got some gear but doesn't know simple things about the dungeon because they got carried by friends or guildies.
Really great information!ty for this video.
Nice vid :)
so in the end of the dungeon... daddy quazii puts my head in his hands and says its not my fault?.. i can work with this :P
I think most people feel anxiety tanking M+ because you're on the clock. It's not a game anymore, it's become a job. Gotta go Go GO! I already have a job. Not sure I want a second. Especially one I have to drag around a bunch of entitled whiners that blame me for the lack of dps.
point!
After 5 years of tanking high m+ keys , all u need to know is these two
A. Dont do ur own key unless uare mentally ready for it to deplete
B.if u see any toxicity from anyone in someone elses key, leave
no player has the slightest right to insult a tank
I'm a great tank because I'm extremely narcissistic and recognize that I'm a much better player than any of those scrub DPSers
what i always thought the stacks on the bird boss where a healer decision not a tank one. I always tell my group 4 stacks before we pull ill be honest i never thought 5 stacks was an option people get one shot even with zephyr maybe if they did personals with zephyr.
hi mate, try the third :D Love your Plater and weak auras, but can you advise me how to increase the name of the target in the cast bar. I mean the name of the player that the spell cast is aimed at. I can't even see it with my glasses :D
U are my sensei
The "go go go" dps player is by far the worst i have met.
Whine that you arent pulling enough, because they want to pop off.
Sorry mate, i am not comfortable pulling that many at this stage of my tanking experience. As a new brewmaster tank, i am trying to learn my limits and when to use my brews etc.
is it just me or am i weird in saying that tanking is pretty chill even in the 22-23 range
I just zug zug and it kinda works sometimes :P
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so what do you think about the annulet for tanks? think stacking a bunch of the defensive stones will be worth it? Just looking at it, assuming they buff it to the point where things are better than just using a 418/421 ring, a few standouts called to me. one, just the straight up fire damage proc, just for an extra source of procs for the eranog or broodkeeper ring. the frost shield, while it's a small shield, giving 6 seconds of effectively 15% mitigation from melee damage seems like it would be pretty good for mythic+, since its a known quantity, every 20 sec. 3rd i was thinking depending on the proc rate, either the shadow damage and self heal, or the lava shield that makes attackers take fire damage. for a prot warrior the lava shield one seems pretty good, since it procs off absorbs, and i'd imagine ignore pain counts. wowhead seems to think tanks just want Dps proc, another dps proc, and another dps proc. there's something to be said for that, but i dont know. the ring needs a lot of love to actually be good. if each gem was Proc + some random secondary stats then it would be okay. even if it only worked out to half the secondary stats of a normal ring of that ilvl, it'd be a lot less painful to use, but i just cant see myself losing 4% haste.
Hmm as of the moment I’m chilling on them - I think they are really good for fresh alts for easy ilvl, but I’ll have to try them for myself to be convinced they replace my mains existing rings (:
overcome anixety in mythic+ ?
My question is overcome anixety in lvl 10 dungeon
@Quazii whats the weakaura for tracking panda boss absorb I tank and it would be helpful for me!
Is that plater profile somewhere?
Yes free on Quazii.com check the top menu
@@quaziiwow love you
The exact reason I never tank PUG M+, toxic people. I only play with real life friends that are within social range (you talk alot of shit for someone within slap range). Another reason I don't like PUG M+'s, 1 wipe for whatever reason and boom - people leave, especially people from eastern Europa countries straight up leave group the second a wipe occures. edit: i report these people who leave the dungeon early after wiping, i dont know if it has any meaning and blizzard does something with it though.