They are the most Toxic Mythic+ Pug Players I have ever seen...
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- ↬ Support the channel on Patreon: / metrohaha
↬ See my database of every Mythic+ Run that appears on the channel:
bigplay.one/My...
Learn how to use it here:
bigplay.one/Li...
↬ Join the OneAzerothTV Discord here: / discord
We ask that any viewer read the pinned message and Introduce yourself first to assure we have the healthiest community possible.
↬ Check out my second channel where we do chill wow leveling challenges and exploration
bigplay.one/le...
↬ See all my Leveling Challenges here
bigplay.one/level
↬ My Blood DK Weak Auras and UI:
bigplay.one/myUI
↬ Why I stream on RUclips instead of Twitch
bigplay.one/Wh...
↬ My Mic, Keyboard, Mouse and all other gear and tech I use
bigplay.one/My...
↬ See all my side content Including PokemonTCG and Golf here
bigplay.one/Golf 
Игры
ruclips.net/video/7pa8ul7UINA/видео.htmlsi=L5fwuiwj2F3HnTkk
See the original video by dillisan here.
Was thinking that was Dillisan lol super toxic players 😢
This is why I don't play WoW any longer. I love the game, but it's ruined by toxic players.
@@christ.4977 Sadly all quitting does is make the toxic players a higher percentage of the population. You quitting only makes it worse for those to come!
They obviously signed up to lower keys just to grief them. How pathetic is your life to actually follow through and do something like that.
Certainly seems that way.
Yes this is not normally
@@Frsh275the behavior is very normal for social rejects
It's kids in Europe, some poor slovakian kid just making life difficult for everyone, typical
no...read my comment...they prob where testing an odd build, a specific talent or so....stop talking non-sense ...i can tell you from they're level aka me,as a player @ that level but not one of them 2 nor associated with them in any way (full blown mythic raider all capped over 9000) that NOBODY! from the high end joins low end just to ruin they're game...a lil bit of troll yeah that happens...wanna know how i know?they (the DK and the Hpriest) did not leave ,they finished it...think about it for just less than a second...if I log my main and join keys i will get accepted in any key @ what ever level YOU want me to join.....if i wanna ruin they're day i will just leave after the count down...but they did not...
Prime example of why I always carry neural silencers on me. These guys are pieces of shit and would have found other ways to int the key anyway but at the very least it would have spared me the annoyance of having them spam grip me into mechanics. Nothing pisses me off more than classes/items that can displace other players as a form of trolling.
Ya, its really frustrating for sure.
Ppl ask why I run a a silencer
Ya I forgot about that honestly.
Actual weirdos in some of these keys I swear. I hope this gets someone's attention at Blizzard cause that's literally intentionally griefing. Maybe a ban will help them go touch grass for once.
I hope but I don't expect it. Blizzard has let it get this far and we have been making videos on this stuff for years now.
This is the worst though for sure.
the fact alone you cant report someone for trolling speaks volumes. they wont care..
They're not going to ban a paying costumer. Lol.
@@KingLich451 Are you suggesting there have just never been a single person banned in 20 years or are you thinking there are non-paying customers getting banned some how?
@@itsajindae9604 you can report them for griefing but what you can see in the video you cannot verify :D because it can be taken as a MISTAKE :D very interesting
Would love to have a follow up on this video to see if these guys got in trouble or not. This is exactly what the social contract is for and if blizz doesn't enforce it the contract becomes a bit of a joke.
It's more for actual communication but ya we likely would never know if they did get in trouble unless they themselves come forward.
they r still doing dungeons
im from the same server and they still run free.
Spread the word and publicly shame them.
@@aestheticPhantasm no that will get you banned.
I would have left as soon as the priest gripped the shadow into the trap the first time. I have zero tolerance for stuff like this anymore, it's simply not worth my time.
Seems like no one noticed it right?
Bazzamage is not only toxic but he is actually a bad player and i personally have seen him troll 18-19 keys so we hope for a ban there :)
Oh you actually know him huh? That's funny, no surprise to me tbh. After all, fire mage...
I have the same experience….
He's a mage main. Of course he's shit. Most boosted players in the game after Augvokers.
thats a lie , Barry is quite the nice guy
@@MSPstance You are saying the guy who was intentionally gripping people into their death then lying about it to pretend like he did nothing wrong is "quite the nice guy?"
Is that some satire I am misunderstanding?
ok pause. if a pug gripped me into a mechanic and killed me i'd leave instantly. that would tilt me off the face of the planet. but i guess it's lilith's key so he just takes it on the chin. this tank/healer duo is just pathetic.
It's probably because of how burned and scarred I am by these things that I immediately assumed he didn't even notice it.
You are probably right. He just took it on the chin to avoid the disband.
@@heythereguysitsMetro it's pretty hard not to notice getting lifegripped into a trap
100% he just wanted his key to be finished, which is exactly why these losers join other people's keys as a tank and healer. They *know* how desperate DPS players are to find groups at these key levels, and they are preying on it intentionally.
probably spent like 2 hours queuing for keys and didn't want to leave
@@heythereguysitsMetro he is a caster, so he most likely knows that his character was moved by external factor.
@@schmooplesthesecond5997 I guess you guys don't really watch this channel if you feel that way lol...
We have seen all sorts of DPS cluelessness man. Have a look around.
I think it may be that he knew and just pretended to be okay with it to finish the key, but there is an equal chance he was totally clueless or even just forgot that happened as it was like 25 minutes earlier.
These guys playing Shadow this season can barely remember their rotation at times, it seems.
It's important to not burn the keyholder who did nothing wrong early on; however they really were trying hard to tilt and mess up the shaman. Then gaslighting him (especially after the handicapped comment.) Good on you for exposing this bs. It's why I very rarely pug nowadays.
Ya it needs to be done. It's our duty tbh. I get why you wouldn't want to put but sadly if everyone offended by this just quits than these guys becomes more and more the majority. Big problem with the game after all these years.
@@heythereguysitsMetro I'm just lucky my guild is very active and loves keys, but this was very much my early DF experience. I hope it doesn't turn the shaman off keys. This is just sadly common with the "homework vault keys." I've rarely seen this in higher brackets (where you are forced to play with many of the same ppl, holding players more accountable.)
@@bubblelover714 well to be fair I have pugged probably 10k keys since legion. Never saw this behavior myself. And reviewed probably a hundred keys submitted to me if not more. Never saw it there either. These guys are standouts and that's not surprising given how everyone agrees they shouldn't be allowed to do it.
@@heythereguysitsMetro I not surprised it's most common from lower key tanks and you are super chill lol
Joking around in a key happens with buddies but to be toxic towards a random player in the key and then acting like they aren’t trolling the guy is comical. These losers live terrible lives for sure.
Right the actual manipulation of these other players is utterly scary. It's one thing to be joking around but to then behave like this indicates something way worse.
We don't even know for sure how deep it goes. They may do this constantly and no one knows.
if the tank and healer were trolling each other that's one thing. but trolling randoms in a key and holding it hostage is something else. insane
@@kfactor99this is the thing. If you have a tank and healer or a healer and DPS who are close friends playing together who want to troll each other in a way that won’t massively affect the outcome of anything in content that is effectively “farm” for everybody or homework I really think it’s okay.
My tank and DPS friends and I used to do this all of the time when messing around. As long as it has no measurable effect on the outcome, then it’s just playing around.
I had a tank/DPS friend who when we were running lower content I’d do silly stuff like grip him aroind or when on my paladin I’d BoP him when he ran back in and blasted his cool-downs. We were on discord and laughing about it between each other.
To other people is just bullying. You need the pre-existing understanding and relationship and appropriate situation for this to even be remotely acceptable in any way.
The way I knew this was going to be Dillisan's recent video before it even started...
So thankful for his recording. Never seen something this bad especially totally unprompted like this.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Me neither. Those c*nts need a 6 month break.
Same. Before it started I was thinking “Brackenhide”
Great guy and great videos!
I feel so sorry for the guy, I watch him and can relate to the issues that he has, when i saw this video I was enraged and I hope Blizzard looks at it and perma-bans those assholes. I didn't even see that first one in the original video, good pickup.
Ya I saw you in the comments there. Hopefully something will be done but I doubt it sadly.
Yeah this kind of toxicity has no place in the game , let alone in a competitive mode like M+
Why can't people just treat people with humanity :(
Hopefully this picks up some steam from a major creator, they're the only ones Blizz listens to sadly.
@@Bunstonious maybe growl will check it out!
that is why i have neural silencers in my bags, i am tanking a 8/9 earlier this week, and this dragon was trying to troll me with the grabs. the 2nd time he touched me i instant use the neural silencer
Ya I always forget about that item. I bet a lot of people don't know about it.
I didn't know these were a thing until I finished recording the video. I was meant to add them in but totally forgot...I now have hundreds of these xD
I always put a silencer on when I get in a group with a priest or evoker. How often do people really need to be gripped. Players just use the ability like toy because they think it's neat or to troll people.
@@chrish1564 Evoker can do some very good things with it. Idk what happens if they can't use it. The shield just doesn't work either I guess. But ya, lifegrip is pointless.
When i play evoker i usually just use the grip to move someone one milimeter just for the twin guardians shield xD, its not often that it actually gets value to save someone from avoidable damage
There was a time you pull crap like that on Twisting Nether word would get around, and you would never group again.
Ya those days things were different. Problem though is back in the day people doing this were usually like these guys. Well established players who simply thought they were better than everyone else. So they didn't care if the people below them wouldn't group with them, they were just using them as fodder for their ego anyway.
Really just on blizzard to not let behavior like this go unpunished now that the social contract is in.
Wouldn't it be great if they get banned on spiteful volcanic or some other really good push week. Tbh if they get banned on a bolstering week I bet they wouldn't even care since that's how mplusers think
insane to me as a purely pvp'r since vanilla that the pve comunity seems more riddled with toxic players. glad you are making awareness for it, keep the videos coming :)
Ya sadly its gotten sooo bad recently.
That's just... I mean... I cannot even begin to comprehend hwo this kind of thing happens. These guys have to be legitimate sociopaths to be doing this kind of thing, and not only doing it but trying to pawn it off on the shaman who they are abusing, to further abuse the keyholder. These are the kind of people who decide they are bored with keys, cannot progress further or are unwilling to put in the effort to progress further on thier main so they decide to "have some fun in low keys" by trolling people. Now don't get me wrong, I have had a DK tell a holy priest to life grip me to my death (Shoutout to Sylandria for the BoP) but that was in raid, once, when the fight was already over. This is like someone who saw that happen, spent 2 years thinking about how to weaponize it, and decided to unleash that power in a low key "for the memes". Unacceptable on every level. These people are trash and their mere presence in our game soils every other paying subscriber. This right here should be the example Blizzard holds up for the changes they make in m+ that address bad actors. Because if they use THIS as an example, there can be no argument, and anyone who tries well, to slightly misquote a sentiment of the immortal Jesse Cox... LoL is right over there, enjoy.
Haha had to fit that quote in there huh. But ya the fact that they are trying to manipulate players is ultra scary. We say it half joking a lot. But this is truly sociopathy.
I've been considering coming back to WoW and getting in to M+ again, but realize I'm better off sticking to FF14.. I love WoW so much, but people like this should be RARE.. but in WoW, they are not uncommon to find.. a sad time in Azeroth
@@H41030v3rki110ny0u I would disagree. People like THIS are extraordinarily rare in WoW. Sure weird stuff happens and toxic leavers happen from time to time, but the majority of the pug community is actually just trying to get stuff done and are great people to be with.
@@kopitarrules Haven't had any players like this in DF so I second your opinion. They are not common, and any "toxic" players there are, you just need to know how to deal with them.
I had a bad AV on a personal level dying a lot, and the spriest told me to turn my monitor on, among other things. I didn't get discouraged by it or anything, I just engaged in the toxicity giving it right back and we finished the key no problem, nobody got banned, everyone went their own ways and it was fine. Toxic players should be met with toxicity, and the biggest pitfall you can hit is getting upset or trying to take the high road.
People in 2024 seem to forget the original culture of gaming stems from toxicity and competition. People are gonna get upset and talk shit, and people who can't take it shouldn't play the game then. Games should not become a forced safe space for the minority of people whose feelings get hurt, when the vast majority of players either don't care, or are more than happy to give it back when toxicity does arise.
Hope Blizzard sees this and bans these players, they are just messing with people who are doing lower keys.
Totally unacceptable behavior for sure. No clue how this isn't bannable.
Im one of those people(not in the video) , dont fuck up you get flamed. We are coming from league and just let us carry you , we are 10x better.
@@Tetrathegodno idea what you just said
@@Tetrathegod you just think you are that good.
@Tetrathegod how's it feel being a giant goober
How can someone who is so "experienced" in the game and runs such high keys be such an antisocial person? People like that are the reason why it's so incredibly difficult for new M+ players to gain a foothold. Really unbelievable!
I've seen many high M+ players give tips and try to help "worse" players instead of trolling them and that's exactly how it should be.
The two in the video should really be ashamed of themselves!
Im not sure it's the same thing, but back in the early days there were always people from the top guilds on our servers fucking with our smaller and new guild. Some would even come and join our guild just to try to get parses or troll us in other ways.
I used to call it "big fish little pond" syndrome. Seems the same thing happening here.
These guys think they are above the players doing these keys, clearly.
Meanwhile all they prove here is how shit they are at life.
I guess being good at wow is enough for some though.
because they have nothing going on in real life. They play WoW all day, own nothing, dropped out of school, and everyday goes by and they havent achieved anything outside of progressing something in a video game. So they have to get all of their "achievement" and "praise" from the game.
@@xzalean that's what I would imagine to be true as well. It may legitimately be worse than that though. That's what scares me.
@@xzalean Yup, and that magical IO number next to their name is their only pride.
Wich is a emotion they arent familiar with, gone to their heads and act very strange.
In a way this player behavior reminds me of the Pshero 1v2 at 2.7k mmr video that blew up a few years ago.
@@SmokerFace12 Perfectly described. Totally agreed.
When the tank says "Don't tell me what to do I will just rebel" tells you exactly the type of person who is behind the screen. Someone who probably has very little control over anything in their own life and does shit like this to get their little ego boost hahaha
Hit the nail on the head entirely. Well said.
@@heythereguysitsMetro I’m glad you brought this video over to your channel for more eyes to see it. Well done and thank you for being a positive voice in the community
I physically cringed when he wrote that who says shit like that
Disgusting narsasist people in that group. The poor person being attacked I hope gets justice and the toxic players get a ban. This is absolutely disgusting behavior. And thank you for putting awareness to this .
@@Soldruid really frustrating for sure.
When I first saw this video I didn't' realise that the priest was gripping the other priest into traps at the start.
You mean when you saw it on his channel? I think he missed it too. That's why I wanted to see the full footage. For better or for worse, everyone who submitted something and comments on it's severity always misses something. Human nature I suppose.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Can confirm, I didn't notice anything until after Treemouth.
@@Dillisan Ya, well you aren't alone. People submit me stuff all the time with stuff they didn't even notice. Always helps to have impartial eyes!
I am new to retail wow this season. I main outlaw rogue and getting into keys higher than an 11 is difficult even tho I have completed 16+ in all dungeons. So often times I do weekly 8s or 10s just for mythic vault slots. When you say never invite someone who doesn’t need the key is them just doing weekly vault runs not something you consider?
It's more of a statement for progression keys. Obviously if you are just looking for vault have a ball.
Dillisan is known for his zero to hero series. I think he does one each season. This could be that toon (I haven't kept up XD). Outside of that, behavior like this is insanely unacceptable. Are there ways to send in videos like this to Blizz on top of their report? I kinda wish there was.
Sadly no. And if you go to the forums to alert people or this you will be banned for doing that there. Pretty backwards. I can see them not acting when it's circumstantial but we have actual proof.
@@heythereguysitsMetro I've been timed out before for reporting people on the forums for exploiting/cheating. Blizz definitely needs to revamp their reporting system. Nothing gets done to the people that actually deserve it.
This reminds me of a time at the end of SL where i was prepping my hpal for the new expansion and I joined a 20 iron docks and as soon as I get into the group, 3 of the 4 other people (im assuming they were all friends) are like "damn looks like we are going to have to carry this hpal" and keep in mind, Im pretty sure I was only like 50 score under these guys on my alt. But the whole time we are heading to the dungeon, they are saying things like "I expect to be payed for this carry" and similar things. When we get into the dungeon, they keep spamming trade with me saying to pay them since "they will be 4 manning the dungeon essentially". So i decided to wait for the key to start and right as it did i said something like "have fun with your 4 man since you can easily do it" and then left the key and ran out of the dungeon and blocked and reported all of them. I dont get why people randomly decide to harass people for no reason.
Simply bully mentality honestly. They think they are above you. If you run into wild stuff like this record it and send it to me for review!
Ok that was a terrible runs with absolutely garbage people, but the conclusion "don’t invite duos" and "don’t invite high rio people" is asinine. There are plenty of high io people just wanting to chill in weekly or test a build or whatever and it’s absolutely fine to invite them. Not all high io people are garbage human being, wtf is that take.
Why do you think "all" of something have to be bad to suggest this?
I am really confused why so many people keep saying this.
If even ONE group of 2 people has the possibility of doing this, why ever gamble on taking them when there is zero chance of it happening if you just invite 5 strangers?
Pugging is enough of a gamble as it is.
@@heythereguysitsMetro I mean, there’s absolutely a chance for this to happen with 5 strangers. There’s always a chance for bad thing to happen, if you’re set on not risking inviting assholes, you should just not m+ with strangers at all. Groups of 2 people have absolutely nothing to do with this.
@@Senen33 No no no. Don't mischaracterize what I am saying here. It has nothing to do with "assholes."
There is a ZERO percent chance of two people colluding to troll the key and gaslight its other members into thinking they aren't doing anything wrong.
This type of thing will ONLY happen when you invite two or more people who are friends and likely in discord together for the run making comments about the group as it unfolds.
There is always a chance for disbands, bad players, failures etc.
That exists equally with a premade of 4 being invited or with 4 randoms, sure.
But when you invite a premade you ALSO welcome in new types of issues, and as such I recommend people avoid them.
If you want to pug your keys and play with friends, start your own group. If you want to pug into others, do it solo like everyone else.
@@heythereguysitsMetro I literally already seen this type of behaviour in a fully pugged key, so...
You’re literally just putting absurd and arbitrary restriction on who to invite for zero real reason. And you’ve poorly argued about the "duo" thing but you also mentionned in the video to not invite high io players in a 9 and that’s an even worse take tbh.
I was really angry when I first saw this at Dili's channel, this wasn't trolling it was pure emotional blackmail. "Do what we say or we grief this guy's key because of you, but you'll be the bad guy." I can imagine how much the keyholder was freaking out, I bet he understood the situation but he didn't want his key getting bricked literally at the end so he sided with the toxic duo so his key gets finished. I wish these guys would never step foot into M+ ever again, but sadly I bet nothing happened to them.
Ya maybe. I hadn't thought of it that way. The guy was like the frightening dinner owner in pulp fiction telling Jules to just play along with the robbery.
But these pug players are the week and the trolls are the tyranny of evil men.
I'm trying real hard to be the Sheppard.
Awesome excuse to use that quote, thanks!
honestly, if you accept this behaviour just for numbers in a video game, you should maybe let go and spend some time outside.
@@zerti86 truer words have never been spoken
@@zerti86 People take the game too serious for sure.
@@zerti86 Yeah I'd be hearthing and telling them to keep themselves safe as soon as someone tried to threaten me like that 😂
I remember you bashing healers in shadowlands for not doing damage, publicly, in your videos, for clout. We are the problem, bro. Be the change you want to see in the world.
This is REALLY unfortunate for you, as it seems you have not only misunderstood the video I made during shadowlands, but the relationship of that video to this one.
That misunderstanding has lead you to make this really embarrassing comment, but no worries, I will open your eyes on it all.
So I have made zero videos on this or any of my other channels "for clout." You would know that if you watched more than two videos out of the thousands and thousands of hours of content on this channel.
If you had, you would actually know why I made that video. And its going to make you facepalm when I tell you, because its the same reason I made this, and just about every other video of this type on this channel.
So what was the reason I made videos showing healers the value of doing DPS?
It was to raise awareness and educate players around something I believe is wrong in the game's community and should change.
Where have you heard that before!? This very video you are commenting on!
Your lack of deductive skills caused you to miss the most obvious connection you could have made, and as such led you to make a sweeping generalization about some one who has spent an ENORMOUS amount of time on the internet fighting for this game and with its community.
There is no shortage of evidence towards this, but you thought you assumed you knew better.
And you know what they say about assuming!
Doubly ironic, because you close with "be the change you want to see in the world."
That is EXACTLY what I am doing my friend.
That is the entire purpose of BOTH of these videos.
Don't you fell silly now?
@@heythereguysitsMetro Not in the least. You're just playing the victim here for likes. I feel absolutely no empathy towards your plight. You were once part of the problem and you're still acting like a child trying to win and call me out. I hope you feel better about yourself, but expect no comfort when you cry after you've been an ego with two legs for so long.
@@heythereguysitsMetro lol, deleting my comments now, big gamer man? Pathetic
@@Boricode ?
Pretty shitty behaviour. I hope blizzard actually responds to the reports. Also hope that these guys are made aware that everyone thinks they are awful.
I'm not even sure he was able to report them because you can see in the chat that it says report service not available or something like that lol...
And people tend to perpetuate the notion of how toxic the PvP community is. I've never experienced anything this bad in 6 years of PvP and a whole expansion of high rated solo shuffle. PvE toxicity hits different.
ya well tbh this is a totally different type of toxicity.
The thing about PVP is how dense any toxicity is at all.
You can do 50 keys and only see real toxicity a few times in those 50, where you will see it far far more in pvp because people are stressed about losing to others.
But PVE is like a diffferent problem all together because everyone thinks they are better than each other and they treat each other like they are trash.
they should just ban the tank and healer for the first couple weeks of the new expac
Im in favor of silencing, so they can't pug anymore.
okay I had an experience similar to this two weeks ago it was with a dk tank it was my key at +10 since the dungeon started he was complaining because he was thinking he was carrying me and he even wanted to me to pay him or he would leave making everyone wipe and doing big pulls he tells me this in the middle of the dungeon my gear was a little lower like for a +10 but everything was fine nothing bad had happened and we could do the dungeon perfectly when we finished with the 2 boss the dk starts to complain a lot because he don't want to carry me and immediately leaves the dungeon and then starts insulting me and spamming and saying a lot of things like you are the worst rogue I have ever seen in my life at least if you want to make a +10 you have to pay me and you need at least 2 iq points to do a +10 just quit ur horrible then he started talking bad about my mother why? idk but i told him not to talk about her because my mother passed away about 3 months ago and I really don't know why he did all that when he joined the group he could have seen my gear or just left but he preferred to waste my time besides insulting me for like 20 mins straight and I only have a month playing wow im a new player I really didn't expect to find someone like that...
Those are the ones you wanna record and send in for review. Happy to expose that type of behavior.
As an EU player, when I pugged I avoided 3 servers like the plague, Twisting Nether, Silvermoon, Sanguino, and the proof is in the pudding as they say. I have never had a good experience with a player from those 3 servers, whether keys were timed or not. Absolute despicable behaviour.
Oh ya? First time hearing that about these realms. That one we have been making videos on last few weeks is usually the one people bring up. Can never remember the name.
I only had good experiences with Silvermoon so far, my list is Twisting nether, hyial, dalaran, ysondre, ragnaros
Kazzak/TarrenMill too, a old PvP streamer realm.
They're forced to play M+ since PvP is kinda ass in DF, they doing content they arent hyped about doing and complain from start to finish at anything minor
I ran to a caster mob that was standing elsewhere to kick it so it'll be easier to aoe everything down, Kazzak DH tank went: get aggro on 1 more mob without me and I will leave.
It was the first pull of the dungeon, it was his own +2 key so I instantly typed alright, re-list your key.
Im a super patient player if it comes down to mistakes, wipes, out of time etc.
But I am done with player behavior like that, it only the 3rd key I left in all of DF.
@@heythereguysitsMetro People usually have a really bad experience with Kazzak players, but personally I haven't had a bad experience with Kazzak players since BfA, but the three that I mentioned have been a problem since forever.
@@her0268 ya kazzak that's the one haha
That's why I never invite premades or people of the same guild (because there's that, also: One comes in and then "suggests" a guild mate). No matter the key level, the probability of geting a sack of scumbags who just want to laught at someone else's disgrace is just too high to risk.
Ya no matter who they are, they will obviously prioritize themselves over the rest of the group. Just no reason to risk it.
if i ever meet that DK and priest..... oh ive got some words.
Certainly.
You'll end up getting banned for "Abusive chat" like me, for popping off on some lifeless trolls. Blizzard gm's have no idea what they're doing, and the auro-ban system is completely broken.
I think the most obvious indicator of just how pathetic this Priest player is, is the fact that he probably actually lied about who pulled that mob to his own friend because he was just too much of a loser to admit that it was him. Just think about that for a second, how much of a loser you have to be that you cannot even own up to such a simple mistake to your own team mate and have to pin it on someone else instead. It's incredible that such type of person manages to have an ego.
Can't own up to it as some one who has done a 19 to boot. That's fucking scaryyyyy
It hurt me to have seen this because I too have been abused by people in keys and yes, most of them are elite players with high scores. I learned the hard way not to invite duo's or even trios.
Ya step one is never invite a group of players especially those who don't need the key for score. Easiest way to avoid people abusing you and your key.
I'm so sorry you've been through this man. I've invited many groups and they're usually fine, I guess it had to happen at some point..
@@heythereguysitsMetro exactly this. its usually the healer being their target, or an non-meta dps who doesnt even have a chance to hit anything. yes its actually real abuse very often not just some childish insults. pretty scary because you cant even fight that mentality other than decline the high score premades in advance and /ignore if they try to flame you in whisper over it. if you are the one signing for pugs to push in any way its a whole different story, but if its your key you can prevent some of the worst.
I've been yelling this for months. Do not get keys downgraded upon not finishing or not timing it. Let people decide their own level of keystone! If you let them do that people can just leave mid-key if they see idiots like the tank and healer. Why bother spend time with them if you can find nicer people?
The pressure of rating would drop enormous because there's no fear of downgrading your key anymore. People with normal rating would get invited again.
People will be able to learn again in keys instead of having to do it perfect 1st time. The timer can still be there but it's not as pressuring as before.
REMOVE DOWNGRADE ON KEYS. GIVE PEOPLE THE POWER TO DOWNGRADE IT WHEN THEY WANT WITH THE PANDALADY.
I would be in favor of it but I doubt blizzard would be. Would likely require more systems for it to work.
I have 6 years time played and haven't touched wow in years. This is the kind of shit I don't miss..
@@machinelfgaming well luckily something this bad is extremely rare. But ya I feel ya. The community is the worst part of the game for sure.
When I watched this originally on Dilli's channel I even had the thought "Metro would love this BS!" And for some reason I never thought to actually make you aware of it! In Dilli's video breaking this down he even missed many of the things you picked up that I saw and more even .
Ya the video could have been two hours. It was a 45 minute recording I cut down to this. Really just a treasure trove of the worst attitudes ever.
This vid hit home. Just last week me(mm hunter) and my friend(ret pally) were running some alts through lower keys 3-5.
We picked up a DH tank and his buddy for Algeth'ar Academy. First thing I notice is people are dying on the trash clear to Overgrown Ancient pulling aggro. Tank says "sorry my PC froze up".
Hmm, ok.
Immediately after the fight tank bolts off to the Guardian Sentry mini boss. We had a few deaths so we have some people that released and they're running back. I survived the fight so I go off with him. The tank grabs the mini boss without hesitation and pulls him closer to the landing zone on the small cross island so the mini bosses AOE covers the landing zone. Again we almost have a wipe as more people are coming over from the main land they're hitting the AOE as they land. Hmmmm...
Next we head over to start clearing trash for Crawth. Tank aggros adds then just stands there and several people pull aggro off him and die.
My friend pipes up in chat "WTF Tank?". Tank launches into this insane tirade of insults.
We just boot the tank. Inspected tank on raider IO turns out he had like 3500 rating. I figured he was just trolling us.
Those are the ones you wanna record and send in!
If you play with a 3500io player just stfu and do whatever he does you don't have the word in the situation you cant think you cant do anything just follow , if he bully you just oil up
@@Tetrathegod wrong. You for sure do not get the point of this comment nor the point of the video. These over geared duos are joining groups with the intention of trolling.
It's not a case of just stfu and be carried because they aren't trying to carry they are trying to grief.
@@Tetrathegod Bro doin backflips on it 😂
@@Tetrathegod stop glazing lmao, figures you get carried a lot judging by your fire mage doing dogshit dps
this is insanely scummy. even if (giving maximum benefit of the doubt and assuming they werent paying attention at the time) some of them thought that the pulling of like 2 extra mobs was his fault (since he said "pulled") this would be an insane way to react to that. if they have eyeballs he very clearly didn't pull it. but the fact that he didn't pull it doesn't even really matter because they were being scummy before then and everything they did before and after would be inexcusable even if he did pull a bunch of extra shit.
Oh ya it's pure gaslighting. Absolutely despicable. Scary sociopathic behavior.
I hope blizzard sees this video and permaban the accounts of the Bdk and Priest premade .
What they are doing is literally against the ToC
Hopefully, but sadly they don't have a good history actually actioning their community for this sort of thing.
i hope they do too i ran with these guys a day ago and they were trolling a +6 ruby key i was healing on my hpally. as i just returned being gone since the start and these guys were hardcore wiping our group just because of our server name.
When i saw this vid and the names i just knew it was bad,
i'm close to just requitting as i've had 3 groups done this way one by these guys and 2 others from Tichond server and its getting pointless to play when your trying to relearn the game and you got people like this.
Yes this is not normally!!!!
@@TaurielWoW Yeah totally feel ya m8, not fun at all.
Funny enough i never had this issue XD i nearly always invite higher rio people then me to keys and i never had people inting/trolling a key this hard. Matter of fact is it is mostly the lower rio people beeing dumb AF and pulling shit, not knowing certain skips etc yet they go trust me bro i am 2.9k i know everything. And me beeing a healer i have a nice and clear overview of this whole thing.
We have soooo many videos on this channel now of people who sign up to keys way lower than them that is just a fact for pugging for us now.
I think it depends where you draw the line.
If you invite some one who is doing 16s to a 14, that's probably fine.
But inviting some one doing 19s to a 9 is just inviting trouble.
@@heythereguysitsMetro i legit am only dooing 9-10s this season, i got plenty 3.5k people ik keys so far no trolling has been done. Other seasons i did higher keys but never had trolling be a problem
well, this is a massive toxic run, pulling the shaman smh, felt so sorry for Dragnaar
Worst I have ever seen, especially the manipulation. Honestly it's scary.
As a player since vanilla through current, this is why I no longer do any dungeon. I quit doing raids, pugs, etc for the past 4 or 5 expansions.
This is why... people are absolutely rude, attacking, kicking people...
You can not be a casual player or a person new to the dungeon, and be treated with respect and helped or teaching people...
Most of the time you get people like this and it totally ruins you experience.
This is why I and many many other players quit.
The problem is blizzard does nothing to help remedy this problem and behavior.
FF does a way better job with their dungeon play and rules. It allows everyone to play and be welcomed.
First off, this is totally different than what you are describing. I understand your point and don't disagree but this is way beyond that situation.
Beyond that, quitting does the opposite of what you think it does. When players who are not toxic quit, it allows the toxic players to be a higher percentage of the population, thus ensuring the new generation of players run into it again.
Blizzard won't ever do anything about organic arguments in dungeons, so it's on us as a community to take a stand.
Quitting does not help solve this problem at all.
Where did you get that ceiling fan ? Looks like its from BFA
@@vukasinristanovic5940 ?
Not defending the behavior but there is a way to shut people's ability to grip you off. Neural Silencers or some such device but guy prob didn't have any to use.
Neural Silencer
Item Level 1
Use: Makes you immune to some annoyances. Persists through death. Lasts 12 hrs.
I know.
I'm speechless, this is the most toxic shit I've ever seen in this game. I doubt their guild leadership really cares, maybe they are leaders lmao, but it would be nice to see them suffer some consequences like getting kicked from their raid team, if Blizz isn't going to do anything about it.
they're in some dog water non-CE mythic guild. i'm sure they don't care about raiding and just get their rocks off in m+ pugs. pretty sad.
Ya the priest in this key is the leader on his mage hah.
Super similar to a key we reviewed in season three where players who thought they were better than kop got him killed them blamed him and quit.
Always seems to be comprised of players who think they are better than they are.
had one run in last season of SL, mechagon JY, tarren mill DH tank was deliberately killing the whole group every pack by pulling so much and so recklessly only him could survive that, self healing so much and basically soloing all packs while the rest of us were running back, i really hoped he would leave, but no he stayed until end griefing us all the way, only to mock us at the end that he was "so nice to us to boost us for free". seriously the boosting business is the worst thing to ever have happened in this game, not only so many ppl are a part of it on either side and fully accept is as something normal, but even if you arent a part of it in any way and just want to play the game on your terms, some elitist will rub it in your face as an bully assault in such awful runs.
wow community in a nutshell :) why are you even surprised dude ?
In regards to what exactly?
lifetime ban only reasonable move.
Bit extreme. I'd just want to see them silenced for this. Being silenced means you can not interact with the premade group finder.
So they can't pug. A life time silence would be fine with me, but that's probably still too harsh. Some action should be done for sure though.
@@heythereguysitsMetro seasonal ban would do justice.
@@kfactor99 sold!
Really enjoy these videos but to spin the coin a bit my friend and I play as a duo (sometimes a trio) I'm 3.2k he is nearly 3.4k and sometimes we just want to do a low key for some fun. Never once have we left a key, berated someone for low dps or failing mechanics or anything of the sort. Not all duo's or higher rated players are assholes who will ruin your key. Personally i quite enjoy carrying lower level keys and trying to help people learn. There is a huge ego problem in wow though, I really can't stand toxic idiots who think being kind of good at a game gives to a right to shit on people. Kind of embarrassing really. I would assume they are pretty unhappy in life.
@@CaledonianCraft oh ya I imagine almost none are. But still, there is a zero chance of this behavior if you just invite non-grouped players.
Just not worth the risk.
Aye thats a fair point tbh. Inviting low rated players carries its own risks though. I think especially if you are a dps you are kind of at the mercy of finding a decent tank and healer.
That trap lifegrip is the reason why I always have neural silencer buffs active in my runs to make sure stuff like that never happens.
Ya I wonder how many people don't know about that. I had totally forgotten about it.
What?? Teach me
@@Turdfergesun You can buy a Neural Silencer off the ah and it stops the lifegrip, misdirect and any other player made annoyance toward your character. There's different types but they all do the same thing.
@@Dominus_Deanster oh nice! Ty
Sadly it's two dudes in their late 40s early 50s, this is the one thing in their life that they control.
Hope both of these toxic players get perma banned, just report hem on sight
Ya sadly they haven't been, but they should be permanently silenced at least.
I'm one of DIllisan's reoccurring viewers, and thank you so much for looking at this and exposing this to a larger audience. Your analysis of this was completely spot on, and I'm glad more people are experiencing how toxic this community can be unfortunately
Thanks for saying so!
As a content creator I don't believe telling players to never take someone with higher score to a low key or groups of two because of these isolated incidents. How these players acted was not okay and there is no defense to it, but you spread a poor message by saying to just never take these people. You truly don't know a player until you play with them. There's a lot of great players willing to help lower scored people gear/complete keys, and there's also a lot of people who are gearing their friends.
As a high end M+ player who groups for lower content I can say that I bring some valuable help to these lower keys, and you portraying something that is a more isolated issue, and clumping a whole catergory of people together. When you surround yourself with negativity aka these types of videos you develop a negative outlook on the subject as a whole. I think a disclaimer would've been nice here. :)
Sorry you are about 5 years late to this discussion lol. We literally have dozens of videos on this channel now where bad actors are people who don't need the key for score.
It's not about whether or not there are good players out there.
It's about gambling taking them to your key when you only have one shot at it.
No reason to take the risk sadly.
Oh boohoo, I guess lower tier players who do lower keys should be taking a higher risk, so that these poor, POOR high rio players will not get accepted to 9s and thus never be able to play M+ ever again.
Give me a fuckin' break.
@@heythereguysitsMetro I mean couldn't the same be said about people with little/no score. If you go by that these lower io players could be even worse towards the success of the key. By your flawed logic wouldn't people rather gamble the risk of a toxic player over someone who is going to deplete their key?
@@Frawt I think you missed the point of the comment. Higher players can be very valuable towards helping lower geared/lower scored players progress through mythic keystones. You instead take it to a literal extreme saying if these players don't get invited to lower keys they wont be able to do keys. Obviously It's safe to assume it was sarcasm, but you miss the point of higher scored players being very helpful in MANY keys, and the amount of toxic players like these people are very small. I will reiterate that I don't condone or justify what these players did, I just wasn't a fan of the clumping of a small fraction of the playerbase into saying you should simply never take a higher scored player.
@@Rave9700 no. An appropriate score player will be the most likely to put in the maximum effort to succeed. A high score player who doesn't need the key will only be doing it for some reason selfish to their own interests.
The most common thing I see besides keys that are farmed for gear is people trying new specs or builds.
This is particularly offensive as you might be actually getting some one who isn't any better DPS wise than a person of the correct score. And as soon as the key doesn't allow them to try their build they will lose interest.
Or even worse, as soon as they see they suck and don't enjoy the spec they may leave. Saw that a few times over the years as well.
I think that's kinda the main take away here. We have sooo much experience dealing with this now. You are at a disadvantage just because of the raw volume of keys I have seen.
Look I'll admit I enjoy some trolling here and there in pugs (a lot of trolling if it's premade with friends) but this isn't trolling! This was targeted harassment. They started by targeting the shadow priest for missing the kick but because they don't get a reaction they move on until they get a reaction from the shaman and once they got what they wanted they kept pushing for more reactions. Again I love trolling in my groups, pulling someone back so they cant go ahead of me was my go to troll on my priest, with the occasional pull into a stupid position (try to get them to fall off somewhere or get them stuck on some rocks) but outright killing someone in a key on purpose isn't trolling it's griefing. I hope these assholes and anyone else who engages in similar behavior gets banned and honestly barred from any game that isn't pure singleplayer because they clearly aren't capable of playing nice with other people.
Ya this is way beyond joking around. At best it's bully mentality. At worse its true sociopathy. Seeing this in the wild always kinda shakes me a bit. You never know how deep it goes. This likely isn't the only time they acted this way.
I’m 100% sure they have done this multiple times. Like you say it goes way beyond just trolling, it’s like pre-teen behaviour and it’s pathetic tbh.
@@beebeemw the fact that the guy grips the priest so early tells me they are repeat offenders for sure.
I can't leave Outback until I eat or Satan will take my soyl
?
saying everyone with a higher than usual rating is the problem is an L
Is it impossible for you to just use English words to make your point? Man it's so hard to read that and take it serious.
It's not an "L" it's a fact of pugging.
Sorry, but if you invite some one who actually needs this key instead of these clowns you have a much much lower chance of this nonsense happening. Why take the risk?
you get a gold medal in missing the point
@@heythereguysitsMetro lol, if you can't understand what i've said, maybe you're the one with language issues buddy, but i can see you're on the defensive so ill give you a pass. "if you get guys who have done a 19 to a 9, this is the result". Thats your statement, and its so generalized its wrong. These "inters" as you call them are a specific breed of player, not everyone with a high rating is a troll. keep at it though
@@baseboned *sucking noises intensify* haha
@@dissentwaBRAH He never said EVERYONE with a high rating is the problem. You're a fucking idiot.
Keep at it though.
Y'know, being a fucking idiot.
That's the pug life, you are either stuck searching for a group or gambling when inviting people into your m+ runs. I once committed the mistake of inviting a 4 man group to my 20+ key back in shadowlands, they had higher Io than me. Once the key started they all left immediately.
Blizzard needs to implement bans for these kind of players, they just ruin the experience for everyone.
For situations like that one and this one, 100 percent. After the changes yesterday though I think they legitimately just don't want people pugging so probably never going to see it.
If this is the most toxic pug you have encountered in playing WoW then I think you have been blessed! Was it bad? Yes! But not even close to the most toxic I have seen. When I was still healing I had a player tell me he wished I would get cancer and that if I had kids they should be euthanized so that wouldn't have to have me as a parent.
This is the most toxic because it is totally unprompted.
Most arguments take place because of something that actually causes frustration in keys. In this group zero things happen to cause any tension.
But as always if you are running into crazy stuff please record them and send them in! Happy to expose this behavior.
I love Bazza ;)
We do too after embarrassing himself like this! If you know him tell him thanks. He is printing money for us!
same
Printing money my ass..... Everyone making this out to be such a big thing. People need to go sniff the grass outside. I think its funny AF.!!!!! Looking at you boy Dilli Willy he is a massive troll himself. Trolling the dps meters XD.
@@Fieliesp this is a gigantic thing, sorry. Most absurd behavior I have ever seen.
Bringing up the DPS meter in a 9 is an embarrassing position though.
Which do you think is more detrimental to the key, doing mediocre DPS or literally wiping a boss at two percent away from a kill to try to troll another player?
@@heythereguysitsMetro the most absurd behavoir is listing for this key with this dogshit dps
New to the channel and your community seems super awesome, Mature, Skilled aswell, Watching your vids makes me want to reinstall Dragonflight and give mythic keys a shot. I've NEVER done them before and they seem like they would be super fun. I just don't know where to start, what to do, etc. Everytime i try to understand what is going on, i get yelled at or kicked from a group. (Been a WoW player since OG TBC). So i've just been sticking to cata.
Well if you have any specific questions just lemme know! We talked about the anxiety elsewhere, but I can for sure help you with the information part.
you miss a kick in pvp you lose the game. it's over. people are allowed to just sit there with an entire group of people and simply not interrupt in mythic+? LMFAO this is what PvE is like in WoW? LMFAOO
Where are all you pvp clowns coming from on this video? Its actually wild that you pretend like you are good at this game yet know nothing about it.
You really don't know what a low key is?
This is the equivalent of like 1500 arena rating.
How can you be so clueless that you don't realize that?
@@heythereguysitsMetro mythic+9 is still hundreds of hours of gametime in experience compared to a brand new player... they have five seconds to stare at the screen and press a SINGLE button (an interrupt). it's just mind-blowing to me that the skill lenience is that high
a more punishing and challenging experience increases satisfaction for the player (albeit initial frustration in the learning phase) and prevents situations like this from even occurring. it's evident that blizzard recognizes this since they're making a regular mythic+0 equivalent to the current mythic+10 in TWW.
@@jackLoveX that already happened in season four... No offense man but you have no idea what you are talking about. Best to stick to what you know.
This is an awful look for you and all these pvp people acting like some how they are better at the game because they play it is beyond embarrassing.
You make everyone in that community look like they have no idea what's going on with wow, which is crazy given the gap in development time spent on both content items.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Nah, then this is equivalent to somewhere around an old Mythic+19, and the players are still too unskilled to use an interrupt during a huge casting window. The world is a difficult place, and being sensitive to behavior on the internet is just sad. Nothing horrible happened in this video. This entire video is a REGULAR day on the internet back in the early 2000s. Not a fan of creating a world and environment where everything is easy for everyone, toxicity on an online game hurts people's feelings, etc. Anyone who is genuinely harmed by behavior over an online game is so screwed for having to make it in the real world. They will have an awful time ever getting past the real obstacles in life (whether those be career-related, relationship-related, getting out of poverty, or just achieving ANY goals whatsoever). Make the game harder, lift the social contract, return things to their hardened and dopamine-generating state. Actually winning and getting to the top of ANY ladder (PvE OR PvP) will be so much more satisfying.
"The behavior shown here is despicable!" (Meanwhile it's just a video of people trolling in an online video game.) Giving the dorks/trolls in this key a platform, even in a negative light, just makes them want to do this more. They got fifteen minutes of fame from this and are clearly mentally ill already...
This is why I hate pugging. I will run with friends who push by their own freewill much higher than I. But I absolutely don't understand this mentality. And I heal. Please know not all priests are a-holes. I only lifegrip ever if its to save someone I know I can, not think but know who maybe bad at mechanics. That's all .
Oh ya I know almost no one does this haha. These guys are just hugely bad actors.
Turns out there was more behind the story that Dillisan forgot to mentioned.
After some leaked discord logs came out it turns out that Dillisan had gotten very heated in an earlier key(which is not streamed to hide the content).
He intentionally grieved a key that one of the friends of the priest and tank was in.
He even hinted to it in an earlier stream which he then removed to cover up everything to seem like the victim.
All links and logs have been removed so they are left with no way of defending themselves.
It disturbs me that he still uses this altered content to play the victim just to get more attention.
There are always two sides of a story, the person with the largest platform gets to alter and dictate history...
Then why is the priest gripping and killing the other priest and fucking with him?
Go ahead and send that to me please. Discord link is in the description.
i heard about this in a m+ discord community a few weeks ago, i'm shocked it was actually true...
@@Bendie_official send it over then if it's true.
Source: "just trust me bro", you are pathetic lol how in the world would you know he joined that key when only the keyholders name appears before applying to a group? Your little story falls apart when the key holder was the first one getting griefed with a grip into avoidable damage for not pressing his kick on the warscourge.
Gave up on mythic meta from BFA , best decision ever, i hope mythics get removed from the game, they add nothing that brings the community together, create more dungeons and raids with fun mechanics and let people enjoy their time, putting some passives and adding more health to bosses is not good game desing, its lazy.
They will not be getting removed from the game. It's arguably the most popular content in the entire pve schema ATM brother. You don't seem to know anything about it, but if you feel like you made the right decision not playing it then good on you. No need to take it further right? Why are you wanting other people to not have access to it when they enjoy it?
The saddest part is the SPriest who not only did not see any of the trolling that the other priest was doing to the shaman (which is honestly quite hard to miss, given that life grips are super noticable), or the super unnecessary language used by the dk calling sham handicapped, but he HIMSELF got gripped into his death early on and still didn't even think for a second that the other priest and the dk are in the wrong but instantly turned on the shaman.
I mean, sure, it's a tough situation because he wanted his key to be finished and siding with the shaman to call those 2 out would probably have made them go on an ego trip and leave, but it's still really hard to watch him enabling this kind of shit instead of calling it out. Same goes for the evoker, who doesn't even have the benefit of this being his own key.
Ya its hard to know his understanding. Maybe he was trying to get the key done at any cost, or maybe he was just utterly clueless. Hard to say.
It's an spriest reroller mong, expecting them to be able to use theier brain is a bit too much.
14:00 ...Never done a *_Mythic+ Run,_* but just logically, if they can't "kill the totem" without him, then he's NOT being carried ???
@@nikolaikalashnikov4253 right, funny stuff there. They actually admit he is valuable! But if you can't tell, they are lying about that to pretend that's why they wiped.
They have multiple items fail to die and the boss would still be killable.
Not all duos do this tho, my husband and i play as a duo, we dont usually do raids or dungeons , but when we do , we are genuinely trying to learn how to do it. the trolls keep us away . ill just stick to soloing , its worked for 20 years .
I obviously never said all duos do this. Do you think I'm stupid enough to think 100 percent of a population all behave the exact same to bring that up?
You come across as a clown tbh
did they knew they were being filmed? where they asked? if not that is part of the problem tbh
not everyone likes to be filmed 24/7 when they just want to play/chill
@@RyuDouro that is not part of the problem no. You can argue for that separately but this has nothing to do with toxicity nor are these guys doing anything remotely close to "play/chill."
@@heythereguysitsMetro it is because one of the things these guys get is probably the thrill and if they are filmed and see others being annoyed that just fills them with joy. So it's just bad for all.
@@RyuDouro Well that's up to them. Doesn't really matter why they acted like this. Its still unacceptable and everyone needs to be warned of them.
@@heythereguysitsMetro I don't see any benefit in that. As in I doubt anyone watching this will block them or recognize them or remember them if they show up in a group.
They however, seeing this not working, will do this even more, just like a thief knowing police won't do anything.
This video only rewards bad attitude, stresses good people and shows blizzard incompetence.
@@RyuDouro Give the comment section a read through.
Always have your "neural silencer" with you, it prevents you from getting gripped, had once 2 evokers in group, the always made me pull some packs with "rescue", very annoying
I forgot all about those!
Evoker's have a very powerful shield they apply to you though.
Priest grip is just useless though.
Okaaaay...... these be craze
Correct.
I remember when I played alliance.
@@gam3rjae330 ?
Examples must be made of the worst of the community. All involved in the trolling banned, characters deleted, all virtual items removed.
Don't see that happening sadly.
I quit coz m+, Rio, bullshit
@@jdp2571 k
do i understand that correct: the priest heal falls off the cliff, pulls mobs, gets pepsid, then the dk and holy prob decide in discord or whatever that its the shamys fault. so they try to kill the shamy which would mean he cant contribute to the last boss. then they get mad because cant "kill without the shamy" ( who they tried to kill anyways?). did i miss something?
how were these two people even getting the 3.8 3.4 scores in the previous seasons...
@@saenct you'd be surprised how much score shitty people can get. it would blow your mind.
I mean it's all laid out in the video haha. Not much you can miss. But it's important to see that the priest did it for absolutely no reason very early too.
i hoped i misunderstood something...that's some top tier grief there. i mean i have seen alot of stuff but not a sabotage like that.they might flame, they might leave, but that?...man...
@@saenct right the fact that they don't even leave says it all. They aren't responding with haste or anger. It's calculated and they are there to do it as long as they can.
Reason why I stopped playing retail.
Well its certainly worse in Classic if that's what you mean.
But either way, all quitting does is makes these guys more and more the majority. We need to stop running away and actually take a stand against it and make Blizzard do something about it.
Glad i quit wow
You are missing all the funny moments!
These people griefing like this are complete scum but not all ppl that sign up as duos or more are bad. Me and my friends sign up to other keys and always try our best and help as much as possible, we rarely deplete keys. We very often have super wholesome interactions with others and continue for a few keys before parting ways. Saying as a moral of the story is to never invite duos as if its gonna fix anything is just wrong. Specially if youre in a postition to influence others.
I don't really get why people say these things. You really think I believe that every single duo is bad?
That's frankly very insulting to think I am not intelligent enough to make these statements and rationale.
You are 5 years late to this discussion anyway. I have been suggesting people don't invite duos since Legion, because it burns you more than zero times.
Why do it at all? There is just no benefit to it most times, and occasionally it results in situations like this, which ONLY happen because of those players being friends before joining.
@@heythereguysitsMetro So this is the third comment abt this and you don't get why ppl are commenting? Self reflection is a thing, dude...learn it, do it, DO BETTER. YOU are hurting the community making the comments you've made just in this video.
Yeah ok cool you've been burned, so have many of us, and you're hurting ppl that are in the same lump as you by saying "DO NOT INVITE DUOS" b/c even if you "don't mean everyone", ppl will see it as such...that's like Rule 101 of Social Media/Content Creators...which you are a Content Creator, ppl look to you for advice...I will reiterate - THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK.
Then you get bent out of shape w/ppl who question/call you out makes you look even worse.
He's been called out in another comment abt this and stated he was insulted...like lol think abt the ppl you're making statements against, even if he doesn't mean it as lumping everyone into that statement, that's how ppl take it because he's a Content Creator and ppl hang on every word of these ppl...its really sad...and WE are the ones who are insulting him.
I thought I had found a new person to follow until he made that comment, and I came to the comments and saw him lash out at you and another person b/c y'all called him out on what he said. Kinda gross.
@@heythereguysitsMetro I wanna make it clear that i didnt comment to insult you but honestly i dont know what to think, if you claim to be that intelligent i would hope you can distinguish between the two things in play here and comment on them separately. You couldve just said "Dont invite people that are this high rated in a grp together, its a risk" Now you basicly put them both together and say "Never invite duos" not as a suggestion but as a statement, some people rly take that to heart and will never do it. Having suggested not to invite duos since Legion mustve also widened your view on the matter, to know there are exceptions, if thats the case you gotta bring that to light aswell. Some green flags and red flags if you will.
@@Elbubbly Its a discussion I have been having for years now man. Its played out.
I am not going to take the time to explain the full position every time I mention it.
There is no reason to risk inviting duos or high score players or both to your keys.
You invite issues that couldn't exist if you just invite your standard single.
No two ways around it in my eyes, sorry.
There being exceptions has nothing to do with it.
Even if its 1 percent chance to fail, that worse than the 0 percent chance you have if you just invite singles who don't know each other and all need the key.
“Not inviting duos” is a bad advice - you’re reaching and generalizing a lot. I help my friend and brother with low aspect-level keys by queuing in duo, and a lot of people play that way, too. If there are some jerks messing up with people on lower keys, it doesn’t mean everyone does the same
It's really insulting that you think I am stupid enough to believe every single duo does this. Really rude honestly.
I am aware not every person on the planet behaves the same way. The reason I recommend not inviting duos is because of trends of behavior. If you have a 5 percent chance of inviting guys who put themselves before the key why do it? It's not worth the gamble.
I've seen it far too many times over the years.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Well if you re-watch your video you blatantly state "DO NOT INVITE DUOS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT YOU GET"
Its insulting to those of us who are just out here trying to play, who have issues with pugging and won't unless we have someone else to run with. We have enough problems trying to get into things w/o ppl out in the wild making those types of statements.
And if YOU feel insulted by what the OP has said, maybe think before you speak because they were spot on in what they stated.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Just to be clear where we are coming from go to 17:55 in this video - this is where we're getting this from, not pulling it from out of our asses...
@@twistdkarma7400 they weren't spot on, they were confused.
You can easily just do your own keys as a duo.
The trolls are assholes, sure... but people give them all the power for no damn reason. I'm not saying that staying dead wasn't justified... but staying dead wasn't in his own best interests... at that point you're just trying to troll the trolls which you'll never win. Any time you find a troll in any online game, you just treat them as another enemy, and do whatever you need to do to progress past needing to deal with them. Just ankh, kill boss, key done, ignorelist... even if they grip and kill you another time, so what? Key done, you got your rewards, and you're out. Any time you get butthurt you're just giving them what they want. How do people not understand this by now.
"just don't get mad when people harass you" easier said than done
That's a really silly thing to say man. Not everyone has perfect control of their emotions.
If I was being insulted personally for something unrelated to the key and gripped into my death multiple times I would probably give up too. It's difficult to think straight when you feel ganged up on like that.
Just human nature.
@@heythereguysitsMetro people excusing a "lack of control of their emotions" so much is what results in selfish idiocy like trolling.
Just 'cos some asshole does something stupid in traffic doesn't mean it's a good idea for you to react with road rage.
If one guy in your BG is trolling you, if spend the whole match trying to get back at him, you're just increasing the impact of the troll for 8 other people.
Again, the trolls should be punished for their shitty behavior... but also you can reduce the negative impact a troll has on you AND OTHERS, with a modicum of maturity.
What happened to being the bigger person?
@@evilme73just stop dude. This is really a dumb line of argument. He obviously was frustrated and not thinking clearly. This is very normal human behavior.
@@heythereguysitsMetro ofc he was frustrated and not thinking clearly... that's my entire point. Trolling is common enough in online gaming, that it is worth spending a little time to pre-plan how you're going to act in such scenarios. Once again all the blame for the situation is on the asshole trolls. BUT again, people do have agency in how much a troll impacts them (and their teammates). I'm just saying it is not helpful to your community to completely ignore that agency.
this is why i would not even try mythics any more, after 1 mythic in DF and getting some sweaty dudes run me off the whole way as i was slower than them and they where like you said over 1k over the key its not worth my time or brain cells. thanks for the vid.
@@smashtactix not a reasonable response here. This video features something I personal have never seen in 8 years of pugging, and even standard toxicity is still not common.
Give it another shot, invite better players and record the runs.
Wish Blizzard had more spine and took a very firm stance on griefers/trolls like this, just straight bans for toxic behaviour, out of the game. Would gradually make the community a better place, so many strange/passive aggressive people on WoW these days in the m+ community, needs a clear out
Ya sadly I think its the internet at this point. Getting quite worrisome.
At 6:36 hes a vdh main so hes letting it go off on purpose to avoid the shield since its easy to tank enraged and since his blood is an alt he likely doesnt know he can ams it on bdk is how i read it.
Good thinking but naw he soaks the other ones.
tbh no real discussion here. These guys deserve to have their accounts permabanned, all their achievements and their characters deleted, all their mounts and any attachment they have to that account or characters tied to that account gone. You still want to play WoW? Sink the like $100+ to make another account. You want your 3.6K IO back? Better get working, you gotta get there from level 1.
Probably no shot of being permanently banned for this one incident but actioned for sure. I'd be fine with silences because that means they cant pug.
I think that saying "never invite a duo" is a bit harsh. I always play M+ with my buddy and we always do our best to go to the end of the key. Some key holders actually invite us back to do another run. I think that the problem there is the nature of the ppl. that is inevitable. Unfortunately, we're going to end up with people like that in a pug. Whether you like it or not.
The lesson we take away from cases like these is to pray that we never again fall into a group with people like these.
btw, great review. I really like your videos.
Thanks, ya it's nothing personal. There is just no benefit to inviting a duo or larger. Random people who don't know each other won't ever do something like this, but sadly we have seen a lot of evidence of it happening with duos.
I purely installed rio just for this. Someone above my key way too much (or on an alt but his main is high rio)? No invite, he is gonna be a jerk or just impatient. Mythic+ is already difficult as a dps player, I don't want to waste time anymore.
Yup that's how I see it too.
You are adding a potential new type of social difficulty if you invite some one like that. Not worth it ever.
It's so sad to see stuff like this, genuinely sad. One of my irl buddies plays the game a lot more casually than me, floating in the 7-9 range for his aspect crests to upgrade his gear, and enjoys content at that level. I play the game more competitively, doing high keys and CE raiding. We love doing keys together as friends, but I unfortunately have to be deliberate about never inviting people with a higher IO when doing keys with him for this exact reason (unless I see a friend or guildie queueing up to game with the boys). I cannot fathom this mindset of queueing into lower keys JUST to grief them. It's people trying to do content that is an appropriate difficulty for them and progress in a way that they enjoy, and then some loser with a superiority complex because they dedicate more time and effort to a hobby just comes in and tells them they're trash and wastes collective hours of people's time to no end. It's gross behavior and I wish it got cracked down on since the people who act like that desperately need a break from the game. Unless you're in Echo or Liquid, there is ALWAYS going to be someone better than you, that's how the game works. Trying to "big fish, little pond" someone else doesn't make you cool or good, it just makes you an a-hole
Very well said. The "big fish, little pond" mentality is really noticeable in this game sadly. If you run into anything like that, feel free to record it and send it in. I'll be happy to do what I can to expose that behavior.
O M G! This happened to me and my friend two days ago.
I just lvl'd my pally wanted to run some keys since it was the 4 m+ weekly.
I started the group waiting on a tank DH tank Qd with a hunter. The hunter was massively under geared but the tank has a 3600 io. I was like oh he's helping his buddy oh fine so I invited them.
The tank is being a little suspicious from the start. It was a 4 AA and he wasn't holding threat when he pulled the whole first room but I didn't think anything about it.
Killed first boss tank runs way ahead uses air bridge pulls the air elemental to the landing spot so everyone that lands gets stunned or instantly killed. I bubble out and live.
We use the air bridge and go to the birds tank just stands there doesn't even auto attack birds eat my face, it's just me and him there. I release and say wtf tank?
He replies back by saying "stfu you bold fat f*ck".
I'm in discord with my friends and he's like kick him we'll break it to a 3 it doesn't matter because this tank is being an ass.
So I kick him and his hunter buddy keep the other rando and fill it with a significantly lower heated tank and dps and 3key it.
Mean while the tank is whispering me just blowing up on me and linking his top 1% achievements and just really acting like a fool. I reply by asking him if he's okay? He keeps on. I'm like I'm sorry who are you? Just antagonizing a little at this point. He final stops whispering when I won't fight back and I reported for griefing not that anything will happen.
In your video you say do not invite duos. My friend and I group together all the time and are solid behaved players but it usually takes a bit to get into a group. Now I know why!!!
Not all duo teams are like this. There are genuinely good players that just pug together and don't troll. But these jerks like this are ruining for sure.
Ya sadly that kinda thing can't happen if you don't invite duos so better to just not gamble. Especially if some one is boosting some one else.
But if you are running into wild stuff consider recording them and send them in for review!
I haven't had any bad experiences inviting high IO players, but I think it depends on the specific key. There are a lot of higher IO players that will sign up for 6s just to farm aspect crests.
That being said, if someone did this in one of my keys (only run my own keys), I'd just block them and then leave and go next. I'd gladly brick the key rather than be someones sick entertainment.
Ya at the end of the day that's what most people would have done. But thankfully they didn't in this case so we could expose the full extent of these guy's behavior.
I would've done the same as the shammy. Don't take the res, just report them. Watch them die, then leave. But then I stopped playing WoW in 2012 so I don't know what all this key stuff is. Good to see WoW players are as mature as I remember though.
Ya it was a bad choice by him but at the end of the day, I think everyone would react that same way as he did there.
I already played with his Main in s3 on my own… was also in Voice with him… he is one of the most toxic and disgusting player i ever met
I can imagine. What are some examples of his behavior you recall?
@@heythereguysitsMetro I only played one key with him and that was enough. But in that key he's like fingerpointing every slight mistake, even if it has no impact. Doesn't concentrate on his own gameplay and with that he makes a lot of mistakes on his own. (Just an exampIe, i know from a close friend who played several keys with him... that he thought the hole season 3, that he can stack his normalbarrier and massbarrier) but back to my experience... then they other guy had enough of his fingerpointing and called his mistakes out. He completly freaked out...called a lot of insults and banned the guy instantly from his discord.
Btw. they guy had in s1 or s2 a name change because of his bad reputation with his old "wowname"... but i dont remember that name anymore
@@Flowz97 thanks for laying that all out. Makes a lot of sense given this behavior tbh
I would love it if blizzard just saw this and ripped away there rating and achievements. so they lose the mount/titles and whatever and just have to start back at zero and each key they time only gives them +10 rating so it takes them months to climb back up. Bunch of absolute clowns man. i alrdy hate M+ season rn but these guy would literally make me wanna just stop playing all together in keys if i ever got them or anyone like them.
Seems really unlikely but ya would be fine with it haha
It's hilarious how much oversight, second guessing, and vetting that is done in retail WoW. It's become like a moba game, where everyone is constantly critiquing everyone else's "performance", assigning blame, and chewing out others for not reading minds or knowing obscure mechanics. There is zero fun in this game. As with everything, it's just a competitive slog between no-lifers with bad social skills and an inability to operate in real life. Fucking sad.
Sounds like you are making up reasons you suck. I certainly am having fun.
Look in the mirror to find the problem!
gripping people into mechanics is something you do to mess with people you know and are on discord or something. Anyone who does this to pugs are just assholes
Absolutely.
There is an item or a toy I think, that provides immunity from friendly players using forced movement on your character. I recommend keeping that thing handy if you plan on doing M+ with randoms.
Edit: it is called a neural silencer, it immunes you to leap of faith among other annoyances.
correct
This was hard to watch,felt so bad for that shammy especially when he tried to defend himself and all blame just kept shifting to him and the grp leader woudnt listen,those 2 clowns really need to get banned. I am curious from where the fuck do ppl get that "4 reports and you get 1 week reset" bullshit because its not the first time I have heard something like that.
Ya no clue lol. Maybe it's a European mantra? Never heard anyone ever suggest that. Might be a thing from other games.
This is what goes on ALL THE TIME. I'm shocked you think this is the worst. Unfortunately, I have quit wow twice to take a break from this kind of shenanigans. Every time I go to help or get a practice run in after running an alt or something, this is what I'm met with. This is totally horrendous and a good example of what happens. I would love to play with a same group of like minded players with kindness and fun, light hearted cooperation. Unfortunately, again, I don't know a group of like minded players and have to PUG LIFE it.. just to try for my personal best as a Holy Priest. I have been facing similar circumstances from an opposite perspective where people are inviting two of everything.. but especially priests. The Shadow priest almost always starts telling me they have such n so DPS for PI. They then tell ME who to pi. I then watch them pi no one.. and I'm feeling as if I have to pi the person they said they would and the person who i would've normally. :0) There's a whole other undercurrent going on when there are two priests. I have also witnessed multiple duos and tanks so bored that they scream and holler.. demeaning and shaming everyone on the team. Playing each character's role out loud in text, telling them every move to make as if they're an expert at all classes and roles. To leave the key or flat out make it so horrendous someone else wants to leave. It makes me sick with stress because that's the type of person I am. ( highly sensitive) helpful, kind, and dang determined that not only I but the whole group who joined this key in this moment are going to get their MONEY"S WORTH. I'm not sure.. I don't know why you think it's bad for an upper level person to run with lowers, however. I am not sure their io score has anything to do with their nastiness? I run low keys all the time to cheer myself up and be helpful without friends or a guild I enjoy to play with. It helps me feel part of the team work in some manner even though I have to withstand the pugs. I appreciate you getting this called out and shown. I have also noticed that people who grief like this.. will report the person being grieved as having grieved them or trolled the group. Has happened to me twice now. Where they were flagrantly awful souls to the group and I was silent and continuing to heal through because of the social contract.
@@stephaniesummerill7117 as I said in the video, I have been pugging since mop cms and reviewing other people's keys since the start of dragonflight and have never seen anything like this once.
So no, absolutely does not go on "all the time." Thankfully it's rare.
If you are running into stuff like this though, please record it and send it in so we can expose more and more.
Im not saying you're wrong, but this behavior is a large part why I no longer play retail and WHY GUILDS are important. Blizzard has caved to the antisocial types through their game design in the name of "Accessibility". Which sounds good but the people that it helps the most are bad actors. Social pressure can be a good thing and forces bad actors to learn to work with others OR be left out. Their only other option is to form entire guilds that are like them but those guilds never last because they all hate each other lol. Now you have highly anti-social and arrogant people that BUY their progression from RMT then take delight in destroying the progress of others. YES, Blizzard should "do something" but they wont. Plus, if they were to purge players like this, they would lose tons of money because most players like this are whales. In short Blizzard created this environment because it makes them more money.. WITHOUT ACCEPTION, the most toxic games prioritize the ILLUSION of accessibility and RMT behavior.
@@clyd1206 interesting thoughts. I'm not sure I would go that far but I can see your point.
This is a symptom of the times more than anything in my eyes. This type of behavior is present in every game you'd play to some degree.
If you are suggesting you are playing classic instead of retail, I'm sure you recognize how awful that community has gotten too. That's all the evidence you need to know no matter what the game supports, the people can ruin it.
But ya, this video is the social pressure. Hope it works!