I wanted to go default UI, but I found that I was installing too many addons to change the look (fonts/textures) that I just went back to ElvUI+ToxiUI. I love it. Very clean and minimal right our of the box. Another thing I didn't like about Blizz's UI is they can't just do N1, N2, N*, MWU, M5 etc for keybinds. They all say num, num, num, mous. I'm left handed and I actually _use_ my mouse in my left hand (apparently not all lefties do that??) so all of my binds are on my numpad. I keep my binds similar across all classes/specs, but sometimes I need to quickly look to see what bind a rarely used utility spell is on and then I just end up clicking it because it would take too long to figure it out. Every UI addon maker can do keybind text properly, but it's something Blizz didn't even bother with.
I'm left handed but I do still use my right hand for the mouse. I'll never be a professional FPS gamer due to using the mouse in my non dominant hand, but it's completely fine otherwise 😊
Most textures can be replaced just by updating the associated file. Many texture packs exist to replace textures, icons, and of course fonts. Obviously, those replacements also cost zero memory or CPU. Highly recommend!
I've pretty much always used ElvUI through BfA, then totally went off since DF due to how much the base UI has improved and I never felt the need to go back
dominoes is less overhead than bartender and I suggest betterbags over bagnon... and shadowed unit frames if the defaults aren't working for you and threatplates for your nameplates.
Dragonflight really made me think the same, especially for my alts. Also running 300+mb or ingame ram aint fun and elvui is easily 100+ of em along with rarity and some smaller addons.
@@The86Ripper Unless addons are causing errors the amount of performance gain is normally quite low unless playing on lower end hardware. I can disable all addons on my rig and I game 2 to 3 frames which is margin of error territory since I normally can get 120 fps even in raids. Just go with whatever works best for your rig and gameplay.
@@bradmiles1984 I will have to respectfully disagree. Its the little things that make or break the game, and unnescessary in game ram *will* bite you in the arse sooner or later. Maybe you lost that spot on that group that was filling up fast, or couldnt make the tag on a rare mob in time. Wanna guess who the culprit was or at least played a role on both of those cases and many others like soloing something and wiping at 1%? In game ram which slows you down and adds unnescessary lag to your client. Add to that the fact that the game itself is sorta poorly optimised to begin with and you can understand that its best to not take any chances even on high end hardware.
@@The86Ripper I run plenty of add-ons including elvui, my latency and frames are basically identical to with no add-ons loaded. Your game performance had way more to do with your cpu, wow always has been a cpu bound game. Unless addon is malfunction which makes it produce calls constantly it won't impact performance unless your running on a low end PC. You can disagree but running actual tests don't line up with your opinion. Maybe it's something with your hardware if your having issues. I've never had latency problems or getting to rares in them to tag. Even in full raid runs I get 120 fps with less than 25 ms latency. I can't speak to your rig but I've tested on mine and it's less than fps difference if I let it go past the 165 frames my monitor can handle when capping at my refresh rate it's identical. Everyone's performance will vary based on hardware and connection.
@@bradmiles1984 I hear what you are saying. I cap my graphics and fps to save on overall resources and system temperature. All that being said i agree about cpu being the undeniable king for wow. My system runs wow smoothly as i have an i7 and a 3060ti as well as 32gb of ram, yet as i said i like to play on the defense because i really suffered during the pandemic playing with a 10 year old rig which made me really want to chill out and sorta never let the game extend my resources but rather be effective with what i have regardless of graphics. So i tend to keep those at 5/10 too. Also yes, i ran a few old addons which may be affecting me slightly but honestly iam not aware of anything else that might be. I feel like 100fps is more than enough for most content (i used to have it at 80, but noticed the performance suffering during levelling a bit). Where i notice the most inconsistence is outside world, instance content has never ever been a problem even when i was running it on my old potato. Also my internet sucks bigtime capped at 20mbps. I do realise none of the above warrant any issues for me and honestly its more of ''being overcautius'' than actualy dealing with performance scemantics. Iam the sort of person who gets annoyed when i experience the slightest lag so yeah in my case in game memmory definitely needs to be kept in check.
Is there any reason to skip ElvUI though? That is my question. You started using default UI for some elements but then went and downloaded new addons for other elements If you want default character portraits you can disable ElvUI's character portraits. If you want to have the new trend, Cell, for example, you can disable ElvUI's raid frames. This is the convience of ElvUI! You download one addon instead of 30.
It’s a CPU intensive addon even with modules off. That’s the main reason I removed it. The replaced addons I’m using net me a ton of frames in raid and dungeons which is the content I care about most. I have heard people have zero issues with elvui but unfortunately I did. If it works for you definitely keep what you have! Just providing an alternative option
@@Math1astv What cpu do you have? Even on my ryzen 7 5600g which is 3 years old if I disable all my addons I gain around 2 to 3 fps considering I'm already hitting 120+ fps already that's margin of error territory. I did enjoy the video though even though i'm gonna stick with Elvu+Tux
I came in with low expectations as a long time ElvUI user but honestly you may have convinced me to try it as well. I play on my main gaming computer and also my LegionGo where every frame matters, and this intrigues me.
I was super hesitant at first, and tried to do this a few times in the past. The Cell Addon is what makes this work for me. Give it a shot, but don't forget to backup your UI in case you dont like it! Let me know if you have any questions
Its just Luxthos's weakauras. You can download here: wago.io/LuxthosDruidWarWithin. If you go into options for the weakaura you can drag spells to the section you want them
Hey thanks. I use Plater and was using Naowh's but his required a sub, so I'm trying out Jundies' now. I've modified it slightly for my personal preferences. But here is Jundies' base plater profile wago.io/ak3iS95aa
I play on 1440p, you could try using UI scaling to turn down the size of everything. Not sure if that will help though, might make some things unreadable. Worth a look maybe?
Well... first ist looked "kinda" clean with ElvUI, maybe way too much buttons? And then... after "remove" ElvUI is looks just anything mixed PixelPerfect with DefaultUI and something else! 🤣 If that was your goal, well done 👍
what im missing the most i think is the gray-out cooldowns function. Its soo easy to see whats on cd and whats not with it! also, default font and size of charges is just tragic..
You can reduce the spacing between the buttons, zoom the icons, change the number/text fonts etc. Main thing for me is the spacing between the buttons - it gives me way more room to fit my my raid frames where I want them. Overall though definitely similar, and if you like the default ones no reason not to stick with that!
@@Math1astv I used the GW2UI action bars for that purpose (without the health globe) while also using their minimap and chat which I find superior. Can't put a finger on it, but whatever they do to the icons on the bars make them look significantly better.
except those extra addons you replace elvui with still doesnt take nearly as much resources as elvui lmao. using elvui is the worst thing you can do if you care about fps. and i've used elvui since MoP
@@theroyalcam If, and that is a BIG if... your system can not even keep up ElvUI... MAYBE... just MAYBE it's time for a new System! 🤦♂ I've installed about 160 AddOns and i got no Frame Drops at all! Loading Times for the "FIRST LOGIN" is a different Story but... who cares? ^^
@@fuba1 i7-12700k, asus prime z690-P, rtx 4060 gpu, literally just sitting in hallowfall and looking into the distance i get 190fps with elvui and turning it off gives me 230fps with no stutters
@@theroyalcam Well... It's almost impossible if you just have ElvUI Installed, except anything is broken on your System! Disable ALL other Addons and try again -> use "/edebug on" and test it
Unfortunately I don’t have before and after footage from in raid but, I did keep the same weakauras and other addons between the swaps. I saw a good performance boost from making the swap, but no two builds are alike and if you’re having FPS issues it may not stem from just this. I also did a clean install of the game prior to my swap (but I’ve done the same with ElvUI in the past too)
Mileage will vary, usually when addons are causing significant fps drops or high ram usage it is because the addon is throwing up a bunch of errors in the background. One thing that can be helpful is the two addons bug grabber and bug sack. They will record the errors and notify you so you can look at the errors to see what is causing issues.
@bradmiles1984 but now your talking about malfunctioning add-ons, which in both cases can happen since instead of elvui he is suggesting three others. The point to transition would be if just by swapping the add-ons and both worked as intended if there is difference. From what I have seen the memory difference is barely minimum and weak auras which is used in both cases takes so much more memory that you won't notice a y difference. But that is my case feel free to test it out yourself.
@985steve I don't know what you are going on about. I never said elvui or his setup was better. I was pointing out the fact that most add-ons unless you're on a low power system typically have no impact on fps unless they are throwing errors. It's why. I said mileage will vary. No one can give you a for sure answer since we don't know your hardware or addon setup. In general if you are not playing on a potato PC add-ons aren't affecting your performance to a degree you'd notice if they are performing normally. You get performance degradation when they are throwing hundreds of errors per minute because those bad programming calls mess with wows game engine which is already heavily cpu bound.
@@Math1astv nono. To replace the fonts of the entire game. I'm using elvui too but it cost me 2gb of memory so I want to get rid of it. But if I'm not wrong the font (texts) are expressway
@sebastiansuarez5536 Ahh gotcha. It's a little more in depth. I have a video that I will upload tomorrow to show you how to do this. Check back on my channel. I'll include how to scale the font size up and down as well to help with readability!
I'm an ELV.UI slut. Been using it since Warlords and I love spending an hour customizing stuff. I don't see any dropping frames or anything stuttering. Granted I'm pretty lowkey with my playing, I don't raid as much but I don't seem to drop enough to notice it and I use 1440p 144hz. I guess I'm going to have to really look at my game with TWW and see if I need to make the switch.
@@bradmiles1984 Yeah I decided to drop ELV.UI anyways, cleaned up a lot of the stuff and now I only wrong Bagnon, Auctionator, DBM and a GPS mod. I run Healbot for my Shaman and Paladin. The only place I ever saw reduction in frames is in forested and woody areas and some dungeons from Dragonflight. So far TWW is fairly good with the FPS.
@ParrishT3 Only place I ever drop down some is in the main hub city was like that with valdrakken and same in the new one but even them I'm over 90fps just down from the 120 I have it capped to.
Unfortunately that was not the case in my experience. I spent a ton of hours trying to optimize ElvUI and always had some performance issues with it. If it works well for you though then keep it!
Your UI is messy either way brother its not an addon problem xD No mouseover bars taking as much space as possible(pointless columns and space between them,empty bars showing), ACTION BARS SHOWING ON THE RIGHT , nontransparent details , focus frames , bigwigs bars , double row stacking buffs on class WA ..woah dude.. and we could go on . You have way too many unnecessary sht
Get rid of one addon for 3 others, elvui has everything ppl ever wanted or needed and yet ppl try to get rid of it for .. more add-ons? Seems nonsense :D
Yeah that was my hesitation at first. I got a sizeable FPS boost doing this and already used bagnon so it was easy for me. Use whichever is best for you!
Number of addons doesn't equate to more or less memory usage because you can have one resource hog addon stuff like rarescanner which is constantly scanning the map vs 20 nearly no existent addons resource wise. Disabling rarescanner would have more impact. All depends on the addon type and how optimized it was by the author.
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I wanted to go default UI, but I found that I was installing too many addons to change the look (fonts/textures) that I just went back to ElvUI+ToxiUI. I love it. Very clean and minimal right our of the box. Another thing I didn't like about Blizz's UI is they can't just do N1, N2, N*, MWU, M5 etc for keybinds. They all say num, num, num, mous. I'm left handed and I actually _use_ my mouse in my left hand (apparently not all lefties do that??) so all of my binds are on my numpad. I keep my binds similar across all classes/specs, but sometimes I need to quickly look to see what bind a rarely used utility spell is on and then I just end up clicking it because it would take too long to figure it out. Every UI addon maker can do keybind text properly, but it's something Blizz didn't even bother with.
I'm left handed but I do still use my right hand for the mouse. I'll never be a professional FPS gamer due to using the mouse in my non dominant hand, but it's completely fine otherwise 😊
Most textures can be replaced just by updating the associated file. Many texture packs exist to replace textures, icons, and of course fonts. Obviously, those replacements also cost zero memory or CPU. Highly recommend!
I've pretty much always used ElvUI through BfA, then totally went off since DF due to how much the base UI has improved and I never felt the need to go back
Your UI is about 20 addons away from being default UI
dominoes is less overhead than bartender and I suggest betterbags over bagnon... and shadowed unit frames if the defaults aren't working for you and threatplates for your nameplates.
This was a pretty good adjustment. Thanks! 😁
i found the new standard ui very playable
Dragonflight really made me think the same, especially for my alts. Also running 300+mb or ingame ram aint fun and elvui is easily 100+ of em along with rarity and some smaller addons.
@@The86Ripper Unless addons are causing errors the amount of performance gain is normally quite low unless playing on lower end hardware. I can disable all addons on my rig and I game 2 to 3 frames which is margin of error territory since I normally can get 120 fps even in raids. Just go with whatever works best for your rig and gameplay.
@@bradmiles1984 I will have to respectfully disagree. Its the little things that make or break the game, and unnescessary in game ram *will* bite you in the arse sooner or later.
Maybe you lost that spot on that group that was filling up fast, or couldnt make the tag on a rare mob in time. Wanna guess who the culprit was or at least played a role on both of those cases and many others like soloing something and wiping at 1%? In game ram which slows you down and adds unnescessary lag to your client.
Add to that the fact that the game itself is sorta poorly optimised to begin with and you can understand that its best to not take any chances even on high end hardware.
@@The86Ripper I run plenty of add-ons including elvui, my latency and frames are basically identical to with no add-ons loaded. Your game performance had way more to do with your cpu, wow always has been a cpu bound game. Unless addon is malfunction which makes it produce calls constantly it won't impact performance unless your running on a low end PC. You can disagree but running actual tests don't line up with your opinion. Maybe it's something with your hardware if your having issues. I've never had latency problems or getting to rares in them to tag. Even in full raid runs I get 120 fps with less than 25 ms latency. I can't speak to your rig but I've tested on mine and it's less than fps difference if I let it go past the 165 frames my monitor can handle when capping at my refresh rate it's identical. Everyone's performance will vary based on hardware and connection.
@@bradmiles1984 I hear what you are saying. I cap my graphics and fps to save on overall resources and system temperature. All that being said i agree about cpu being the undeniable king for wow. My system runs wow smoothly as i have an i7 and a 3060ti as well as 32gb of ram, yet as i said i like to play on the defense because i really suffered during the pandemic playing with a 10 year old rig which made me really want to chill out and sorta never let the game extend my resources but rather be effective with what i have regardless of graphics. So i tend to keep those at 5/10 too.
Also yes, i ran a few old addons which may be affecting me slightly but honestly iam not aware of anything else that might be. I feel like 100fps is more than enough for most content (i used to have it at 80, but noticed the performance suffering during levelling a bit). Where i notice the most inconsistence is outside world, instance content has never ever been a problem even when i was running it on my old potato. Also my internet sucks bigtime capped at 20mbps.
I do realise none of the above warrant any issues for me and honestly its more of ''being overcautius'' than actualy dealing with performance scemantics. Iam the sort of person who gets annoyed when i experience the slightest lag so yeah in my case in game memmory definitely needs to be kept in check.
Is there any reason to skip ElvUI though? That is my question. You started using default UI for some elements but then went and downloaded new addons for other elements
If you want default character portraits you can disable ElvUI's character portraits. If you want to have the new trend, Cell, for example, you can disable ElvUI's raid frames.
This is the convience of ElvUI! You download one addon instead of 30.
It’s a CPU intensive addon even with modules off. That’s the main reason I removed it. The replaced addons I’m using net me a ton of frames in raid and dungeons which is the content I care about most. I have heard people have zero issues with elvui but unfortunately I did. If it works for you definitely keep what you have! Just providing an alternative option
@@Math1astv What cpu do you have? Even on my ryzen 7 5600g which is 3 years old if I disable all my addons I gain around 2 to 3 fps considering I'm already hitting 120+ fps already that's margin of error territory. I did enjoy the video though even though i'm gonna stick with Elvu+Tux
@@bradmiles1984 i got an i7-12700k and disabling ONLY elvui i go from 130fps in hallowfall to 155fps+
Default UI is way cleaner than elv ui now, and is way less annoying to set up. also elv looks absolutely awful with 99% of the setups you could run.
how did you get the borders to go from default gray to 1 pixel black?? on your buffs to the top right
I came in with low expectations as a long time ElvUI user but honestly you may have convinced me to try it as well. I play on my main gaming computer and also my LegionGo where every frame matters, and this intrigues me.
I was super hesitant at first, and tried to do this a few times in the past. The Cell Addon is what makes this work for me. Give it a shot, but don't forget to backup your UI in case you dont like it! Let me know if you have any questions
I've been thinking of going default ui for awhile now and this video is going to help me do it, Would you happen to have a druid version of your WA?
Its just Luxthos's weakauras. You can download here: wago.io/LuxthosDruidWarWithin. If you go into options for the weakaura you can drag spells to the section you want them
Cool video, definitely keen to reduce resource consumption associated with ElvUI. What nameplates are you using?
Hey thanks. I use Plater and was using Naowh's but his required a sub, so I'm trying out Jundies' now. I've modified it slightly for my personal preferences. But here is Jundies' base plater profile wago.io/ak3iS95aa
What is the resolution your are playing at ? Sometime I feel like 1080p isn't enough, every thing feels so tight
I play on 1440p, you could try using UI scaling to turn down the size of everything. Not sure if that will help though, might make some things unreadable. Worth a look maybe?
Well... first ist looked "kinda" clean with ElvUI, maybe way too much buttons?
And then... after "remove" ElvUI is looks just anything mixed PixelPerfect with DefaultUI and something else! 🤣
If that was your goal, well done 👍
grid2 has always done what cell is.
I ditched elv when frame drops got too much
what im missing the most i think is the gray-out cooldowns function. Its soo easy to see whats on cd and whats not with it! also, default font and size of charges is just tragic..
There is an addon called "GreyOnCooldown" what exactly do this on your bars.
@@towbie yea but is it updated as fast as elv? and also, that doesnt fix font problems
@@user-yu4hs2zk8b I use Bartender + GreyOnCooldown, thats how I „fix“ the font prob :)
nice video! What does bartender offer that you cant do with the normal bars these days tho?
You can reduce the spacing between the buttons, zoom the icons, change the number/text fonts etc. Main thing for me is the spacing between the buttons - it gives me way more room to fit my my raid frames where I want them. Overall though definitely similar, and if you like the default ones no reason not to stick with that!
@@Math1astv thanks man!
@@Math1astv I used the GW2UI action bars for that purpose (without the health globe) while also using their minimap and chat which I find superior. Can't put a finger on it, but whatever they do to the icons on the bars make them look significantly better.
Nice video, thanks! Can I ask what weakaura are you using, as your main aura?
Its an edited Luxthos weakaura. I can upload them to wago or something if you're interested. Did you want the mage one?
@@Math1astv Yes please! Thank you very much.
Hi - try this: wago.io/2ej0jqtGS. I havent tried uploading this before, so if you have issues let me know.
@@Math1astv Found it, thanks alot. Will try it out tomorrow.
honestly it makes 0 sense to go from ElvUI if you get even more Addons with even more ressource consumption to get somewhat the same effect.
except those extra addons you replace elvui with still doesnt take nearly as much resources as elvui lmao. using elvui is the worst thing you can do if you care about fps. and i've used elvui since MoP
@@theroyalcam If, and that is a BIG if... your system can not even keep up ElvUI... MAYBE... just MAYBE it's time for a new System! 🤦♂
I've installed about 160 AddOns and i got no Frame Drops at all!
Loading Times for the "FIRST LOGIN" is a different Story but... who cares? ^^
@@fuba1 i7-12700k, asus prime z690-P, rtx 4060 gpu, literally just sitting in hallowfall and looking into the distance i get 190fps with elvui and turning it off gives me 230fps with no stutters
@@theroyalcam Well... It's almost impossible if you just have ElvUI Installed, except anything is broken on your System!
Disable ALL other Addons and try again -> use "/edebug on" and test it
Has it really helped performance wise to be worth the swap ? have any exp yet / tests ?
Unfortunately I don’t have before and after footage from in raid but, I did keep the same weakauras and other addons between the swaps. I saw a good performance boost from making the swap, but no two builds are alike and if you’re having FPS issues it may not stem from just this. I also did a clean install of the game prior to my swap (but I’ve done the same with ElvUI in the past too)
Mileage will vary, usually when addons are causing significant fps drops or high ram usage it is because the addon is throwing up a bunch of errors in the background. One thing that can be helpful is the two addons bug grabber and bug sack. They will record the errors and notify you so you can look at the errors to see what is causing issues.
@bradmiles1984 but now your talking about malfunctioning add-ons, which in both cases can happen since instead of elvui he is suggesting three others. The point to transition would be if just by swapping the add-ons and both worked as intended if there is difference.
From what I have seen the memory difference is barely minimum and weak auras which is used in both cases takes so much more memory that you won't notice a y difference. But that is my case feel free to test it out yourself.
@985steve I don't know what you are going on about. I never said elvui or his setup was better. I was pointing out the fact that most add-ons unless you're on a low power system typically have no impact on fps unless they are throwing errors. It's why. I said mileage will vary. No one can give you a for sure answer since we don't know your hardware or addon setup. In general if you are not playing on a potato PC add-ons aren't affecting your performance to a degree you'd notice if they are performing normally. You get performance degradation when they are throwing hundreds of errors per minute because those bad programming calls mess with wows game engine which is already heavily cpu bound.
Hi man! Nice vid .. one question, how u changed the font?
Thanks! Which addon? Do you mean in cell?
@@Math1astv nono. To replace the fonts of the entire game. I'm using elvui too but it cost me 2gb of memory so I want to get rid of it. But if I'm not wrong the font (texts) are expressway
@sebastiansuarez5536 Ahh gotcha. It's a little more in depth. I have a video that I will upload tomorrow to show you how to do this. Check back on my channel. I'll include how to scale the font size up and down as well to help with readability!
@@sebastiansuarez5536 Here you go! ruclips.net/video/y5SuGW3c2uQ/видео.html
@@Math1astv ohhh man really thanks!! I really appreciate it. I will check it as soon I can, I will test it when servers are back again 😊
I'm an ELV.UI slut. Been using it since Warlords and I love spending an hour customizing stuff.
I don't see any dropping frames or anything stuttering. Granted I'm pretty lowkey with my playing, I don't raid as much but I don't seem to drop enough to notice it and I use 1440p 144hz.
I guess I'm going to have to really look at my game with TWW and see if I need to make the switch.
It really depends on your hardware, on modern hardware that's even midrange addons have little impact on frames unless they are causing errors.
@@bradmiles1984 Yeah I decided to drop ELV.UI anyways, cleaned up a lot of the stuff and now I only wrong Bagnon, Auctionator, DBM and a GPS mod. I run Healbot for my Shaman and Paladin.
The only place I ever saw reduction in frames is in forested and woody areas and some dungeons from Dragonflight. So far TWW is fairly good with the FPS.
@ParrishT3 Only place I ever drop down some is in the main hub city was like that with valdrakken and same in the new one but even them I'm over 90fps just down from the 120 I have it capped to.
i could never swap away from elvui
just use elvui and disable stuff you dont like ? It would give the same memory/cpu footprint..
Unfortunately that was not the case in my experience. I spent a ton of hours trying to optimize ElvUI and always had some performance issues with it. If it works well for you though then keep it!
Dont want to use an addon ? Use 10 instead !!!!
Your UI is messy either way brother its not an addon problem xD No mouseover bars taking as much space as possible(pointless columns and space between them,empty bars showing), ACTION BARS SHOWING ON THE RIGHT , nontransparent details , focus frames , bigwigs bars , double row stacking buffs on class WA ..woah dude.. and we could go on . You have way too many unnecessary sht
On rashok fight i cant even see your char xD
Are you okay?
@@Math1astv No im not i had a stroke watching your UI
@@markh4604 It aint that serious lmao
Get rid of one addon for 3 others, elvui has everything ppl ever wanted or needed and yet ppl try to get rid of it for .. more add-ons? Seems nonsense :D
Yeah that was my hesitation at first. I got a sizeable FPS boost doing this and already used bagnon so it was easy for me. Use whichever is best for you!
Getting rid of Elvui was a game changer for me. Cell rules!
@@benvaniten6597 Agreed! I tried doing this swap a few times in the past but missed ElvUI's raid frames. Cell solves this problem for me
Number of addons doesn't equate to more or less memory usage because you can have one resource hog addon stuff like rarescanner which is constantly scanning the map vs 20 nearly no existent addons resource wise. Disabling rarescanner would have more impact. All depends on the addon type and how optimized it was by the author.
@@bradmiles1984 Agreed - and rarescanner/silverdragon etc would be off for me in dungeons in both instances (with & without elvui)