Black Christians vs Black Atheists | Middle Ground
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0:00 Intro
0:30 The Black Church shaped Black Culture
12:50 Ground Shoutout
14:27 As a Black person, people always assume that I'm Christian
25:20 Patreon Exclusive prompt - The Black Church is better than the White Church
25:27 The Church has helped Black people more than the government
41:32 I've considered exploring other religions or leaving the church
51:54 Christianity is inherently racist
1:03:32 Final Thoughts 
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Why did you drop this on Easter?
Why not? @@Christian-ut2sp
Because it’s needed
@@user-kq2we1ex3h Agreed. I aspire to be like her.
@Jubliee
If you are sitting on that stage as anything but a BLACK AMERICAN speaking about how you THINK the Black Church represent our people, you're cosplaying and committing identity theft that Black Americans are not going for anymore. If you're Caribbean or African, your culture and how this topic represents you and your family dynamics is the ONLY experience you can speak too!
Getting mad at someone for saying Bless You when you sneeze is so dense.
at no point did she ‘get mad’, she just explained that saying that seems to presuppose a common belief in a deity.
or Amen. 😂😂😂 craziness.
no one was mad tho,
but she wasn't mad. You missed her point.
@@Pasta_Water She scoffed at the idea. She wasn't happy about it either and completely overlooked the counterargument which made a lot of sense.
Arab Christian vs Arab Muslim. I wanna know what they think of each other.
which arabic countries allow the bible to be preached?
like Saudi Arabia doesn't allow crosses, doesn't allow bibles to be brought in to be given to anyone, doesn't allow the building of "churches"
@@justanobody0 its arab not arabic. Arabic is the language, and Arab describes the people. There are plenty of practicing Christians and churches all across the middle east and north africa . There are also 1.8 billion muslims across the world, Saudi Arabia makes up a fraction of that figure; they do not, nor can they, represent all arab nations.
Why not Arab Muslims vs Arab Atheists?
@@justanobody0 Arab muslim countries are intolerant to Christians and other religions, but want to force us to give them refuge at our expense.
@@sammy-er7on "Saudi Arabia makes up a fraction of that figure; they do not, nor can they, represent all arab nations."
Where do certain people pray towards?
is it Saudi Arabia or some other country
there is only one country they say they have to travel to, and they say it's better to do it more than once
They say they have to pray only in the language that came from Saudi Arabia
I’ve noticed a lot of ppl are against Christianity because of personal experiences NOT the actual religion . They have issues with “the people of the church” and that needs to be clarified.
But if a majority of the people of the church are acting a certain way then that says something about the religion itself
@@nataliaorocio3871no…it says a lot about PEOPLE. Bc the Bible goes against every kind of evil. Which is why the lady you responded to says that people have a problem with Christians themselves NOT Christianity. Bc Christian’s are the representatives of Christianity.
@@nataliaorocio3871 its not a majority, it's just a loud minority
No it’s very much both lol
@@inezaa saying that doesn’t make it true. You have to actually give a valid argument
I love how he's against religion, but he treats blackness as if it is a religion
Exactly clocked that tea
It is his religion. We all worship something 💯
@@nini_nunez Then he shouldn't be in a video publicly speaking out against religion. That was my point.
@@maxpower4868 I agree with you
gottem!
I feel like this episode had a lot more educated people than the average Jubilee episode. Like it actually felt like a discussion where people who were semi-experts in their particular subjects spoke.
And paradoxically it was the Christians who were more educated
thankfully! Jubilee be a mess sp much of the time
I totally agree. They all made their points in such a succinct, informed manner.
"his feets was black"
Hit different don’t it? All these panel shows need more of this.
Black Christians vs Black Muslims would be interesting, especially considering the history of the Civil Rights Movement and the leaders, many of whom were either devout Christians or Muslims
only if the Christians were educated on the crazy anti-blackness in Islam
Just christians vs muslims. No need to add black in there
@Jk-ow8ny I think there's alr an episode like that
That would be Very different as they've had Muslim and Christian convos of varying races in the past.
@@Jk-ow8nynope their is a need to add black their cuz black Christians and Muslims have a unique experience a lotta of us wanna hear and relate too
Saying that the black church hasn’t shaped black culture is arguing for the sake of arguing. It’s literally a fact, the next question came up and we’re instantly referencing the black church again.
Agreed. You don't choose the past, you choose the future. It's like saying America was not built on the back of slavery. Or that eugenics didn't have a huge influence on western culture.
The point of the questions is to “argue”, to get the conversations and opinions rolling on the subject.
Culture isnt about race
Black people arent monolithic
That does take away from black people who have never been Christian either following their own cultural spiritual practices , Rastafarian or Islamic practices
Wooow he really thought he ate at James Harden though💀
yeah i got some secondhand embarrassment there lol
Ikr , he's gonna grow up watch this back and cringe.
I was looking for this comment 😂
Extremely cringe
and he did lmfao just bc u didn’t like the delivery doesn’t mean it’s not true
This seems to be more about Black Christians vs Pro Black with a hint of Atheism
Well, it's because Christian religion is deeply ingrained in American black culture. It's been used as a way to control, not just giving a sense of community. It still affects the black community negatively even today.
I sort of think that American Christianity is anti-Black.... (not the people in the video, but in general)
Yep.
Pro Black and hint of Afro-Spiritual Atheism*
Agreed
Wearing an inverted cross and saying “keep your religion to yourself” is CRAZY.
Is she satanist??
and the fact that an inverted cross isn’t even ‘Anti-Christ’ at all it’s Saint Peter’s cross😂
Real
@@rileyfreeman4096who?
@@rileyfreeman4096 look at you educating me lol. Silly demons😅
really liked Roxy in this episode. She articulated her points fairly and well. When she was asked by Tyler about "how blackness came about" She stood her ground. That wasn't even the prompt. Tyler was way out of the line of questioning. Sometimes we need to sit and listen. Be slow to speak
Maybe I’m crazy but I feel like that question doesn’t even make any sense it’s an extremely vague question.
we fight not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places Ephesians 6:12
Amen
I love watching black educated men and women have a discussion; this was beautiful
religion and education are contradictory
@@user-hi4ww4eu7othank you, Religion is literally the process of saying “no proof or evidence?? I don’t care i believe what i want”. which is the most anti-science mindset one could ever have
Same. I loved this episode
@@johnbishop1025you can be religious and educated it's not that deep
@@user-hi4ww4eu7o ??
She did not duck and dodge she said its not her expertise. I found that responsible.
Refusing to learn but speaking on a situation or subject is ducking & pure ignorance tho 😕
Did she say she didnt wanna learn?
She listened to the guy speaking no?
I agree. There are way too many people these days who try and speak on stuff they know nothing about.
@@motorc1tye206 you want her to talk about stuff she doesn’t know huhh… 😕 she even let fam cook before carrying on
I know....she just told him that was not her expertise
jackie hill and preston perry would’ve been amaaaaziiiiiing in this!!
great content 🫶🏻
I don't think the athiests would have been prepared for them. They're way too educated lol.
I was just about to comment this!!!
Yessssss!!!
So here we have seven people who want to have a genuine conversation, and then we have Tyler.
He was spittin’, though
He's just not brainwashed and I bet its rough for him talking to cultitst who talk to a toothfairy, insane tbh
@@jedidiah6854 yeah if you count drooling
@@jesegat2789what are you talking about dude💀
@@SM_MEX Its hard to have a conversation with someone whos delusional
Being mad about someone saying amen is so ridiculous
no cause its cringe and makes me wanna throw up
@@cocoalovelife8849and we still going to say it
@@cocoalovelife8849 if you feel that way there’s some demon in you for sure
@@cocoalovelife8849amen to you
bro where do u see or sense any madness coming from Mandisa or Coco?
“Don’t mix church and state!”….”The church is not political enough” Make up your mind. But we all know the proper answer would not be the latter.
He’s talking about utilizing the church’s power in the black community and the money it collects from black people to push for black progression politically. Not that we need more Religious based laws.
@@TheMFStudios The first inevitably leads to the second.
@AppleOfThineEye not necessarily.
@@briathomas5310 Money leads to political instantiation as money is state tender.
I’m not black and cannot speak on that, but I will say, the mediator took a lot of time to let the atheists speak first. ALWAYS said “let them finish” before one of the Christian’s could speak and then cut to the next prompt before we saw a response. I know they had to edit this down, but even referencing “a lesser of two evils…” no follow up questions for the Christian’s. Doesn’t seem to be an unbiased discussion
Thank you for this. I saw it too and genuinely wanted to hear the follow ups of the Christians..
Facts
Not on a Easter Sunday 😂😭
I'm Christian and think it's pretty relevant
They are diabolical for that lol
Invisible Transes Day
🤣🤣
Underrated comment. 😆
I don’t like him telling that woman she MUST put blackness over any other part of her identity
These extreme ideologies only cause more division and ultimately lead to genocide
I did appreciate it, though he could have given a simpler explanation of why. It's simply the fact that her blackness is the first thing people will see when she walks into a room. It's human nature to label someone, and frankly, most people will label a black woman as loud and aggressive. They don't care if she gardens, paints, or sells houses. The only thing they see until she speaks is that she is a black woman.
You don't like it because you do not understand fully what it is to be black/ to be of African Descent
People obsessed with race are cringe
@@aprilotero7448 black feminism does not say that. black feminism recognises the unique and intersectional experiences that black women face because of their race and sex/gender. that idea of putting blackness over being a woman is all him.
It was how everybody calmly delivered their points without it being chaotic. Kudos to the sound points each gave. This is how a debate is supposed to be, listening to respond
except for Tyler. he just wanted to get his point across.
Listening to respond is a poor listening technique and is how aggression and stalemates are generated. Listening to understand is how schemas diverge, creativity is fostered, and perspectives are broadened.
Boy, I use to be like Tyler about my race (Native American), but I got saved a few years ago and I have been at peace with my decision to choose Christ over my ethnicity ❤
All are adopted into the family of Christ❤
✨✨✨✨
Amen 🙏🏾 ❤ me too
This!
❤️🙏🏾
I’m black and atheist, I don’t agree with that Amen argument. I grew up religious, and it’s just the way I and others talk. I don’t think amen is pushing religion at all
As an atheist, I say bless you when someone sneezes. It’s not that deep to me 🤷🏾♀️
@@ajh.4131 exactly
So would you be ok with neo na because it´s just the way they talk?
@@PROVOCATEURSKno I obviously would not.
Agreed, it’s not that deep, I love when ppl of other religions address me with theirs as well
The moderator did a horrible job. Tyler consistently interrupted others but when they tried to explain their point, he would say let him finish. Clearly someones bias
No fr I noticed that too
@Jubilee please take note, it was too much
Many of you just don't like Tyler because he is for blk empowerment.. because there is nothing wrong with the points he was making
@@kdooley41 Who said anything was wrong with the points he made? He spoke over everyone and his manor was unpleasant. The O/P commented on how the moderator was bias and allowed this but made everyone else wait til he was finished to respond, it was not equitable. Has nothing to do with his points.
yall trippin
One thing that upsets me is when other people try to tell Christians what Christians believe, what they think or what they are doing FROM THE OUTSIDE
A lot of atheists, ESPECIALLY black ones, are ex Christian’s, and have seen the inside
Yes! The presuppositions that people will make regarding Christian teachings can be way off.
Love how they all hugged at the end. These conversations are needed because sometimes people just want answers and clarity. I pray they all come to know and accept Christ. 🥰🙏🏽
Tyler hated when Christians didn’t want to answer a question but mans literally dodged questions they gave him and bounced around topics that no one was talking about 😭
Easter worshippers are hypocrites
Exactly! To me he’s a victim, he’s one of those black people that literally walk around mad at the world.
he also accidentally spat on the moderator
He showed up with a script. Wasn't really there for discourse.
@@dogsandyoga1743that’s how most Christians interact with you on these topics
Educated black men and women having an educated conversation is so refreshing. Thank you for this content!
then read Thomas Sowell.
This isn’t a rare occurrence ! 🙄
I wish it was a more efficient conversation...this one disappointed in sooo many ways.
@@thebestofallworlds187People aren’t interested in losing brain cells.
@DominiqueSpeaks I was thinking the same. All intellectuals👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Mandisa, I love hearing her speak...it makes me want to tune in to classic Atheist Experience episodes when she was Co-hosting.
Woah, this is one of the most interesting conversations ever put on this channel. Thank you. And thank you for making it an hour long.
I was born and raised Jewish, but am more agnostic atheist these days. I never got offended or mad when someone would say "merry christmas" or "bless you" or something like that. To this day, I simply say "thanks, you too!" Why? Because I am happy that a stranger took time out of their day to say something nice to me. I never understood why people get offended by such things.
*That's because you never had your ENTIRE CULTURE/HERITAGE STOLEN from you.*
Plus, the majority of the people around your vicinity are Christians, so it is very normal for people to assume that you are a Christian, I'm also an agnostic atheist and I say "walahi"....it's just what I grew up around
I wonder why people are agnostic atheists
Not harsh, but open minded!..
It can be rude to assume another person's religious outlook. And sometimes a non-religious person is highly aware of the forceful nature of religion due to trauma.
Despite claims that religion is peaceful, many places in the world suffer from religious dogma, and non-adherence resulting in corporal punishment. As an ex-Muslim, being told things like "Ramadaan kareem" reminds me of the fact that parents can beat their children for not fasting or being given a kiss on the cheeks after someone came from prayer reminds me of how I was beat up by my father for not making solaah because the Quran told my parents to do so. I saw many Muslim friends badly beat up by a father who took things too far. Mine did the same. Every religion has it's problems like this - and while most atheists have very rational reasons for exiting the religion, some remain scarred.
Some atheists are passionate about a world where we don't assume that everyone simply thinks like us, a world where we're curious about the other person. Objectivity and individuality will always be squashed with a mindset where a religious person walks down the street, sees someone who looks like them and so feels camaraderie in their assumption that they're of the same faith.
Religion is often psychologically damaging to many people - no doubt, it offers peace to many as well. But these are important discussions that are being sacrificed due to the skewed mindset on part of the religious person and prioritizing niceties on part of the atheist. If many atheists can show interest and respect for who the next person is and what their views are, then that stops them from showing the same for us?
The Catholic girl in the multi colored shirt touched on a fact I was going to make. Christianity has roots in Africa years before Europeans went there. Kudos to her.
It was a minority. Christianity was introduced to black people mainly through the Transatlantic slave trade. And since then it has been used to control and manipulate black people for the worst
Yeah, like ONE place 😂 Africa is HUGE, And there was only one country it was found in.
@@kyiasimone1869most regions start in one place then spread. They took the gospel and spread it. That comment was to debunk that Christianity is not a white mans religion
@@aadesida37 Most of Africa did not believe in Abrahamic faiths, and did not start believing it by CHOICE…
Not true though
The pastor was really level headed dealing with Tyler.
The fact they all came together respectfully in the end was beautiful and that's what it's about. I'm glad to see them all together in spite their differences.
The most powerful moment of the whole video
Black Christians vs Hebrew Israelites next please. I would definitely get my popcorn out for that one if ykyk
Oh that would be spicy 😆
😂😂😂😂
Who are Hebrew Israelites lol
Me too 🍿
You mean Jews? Israelis?
Being an African and seeing how black Americans see Africa is so interesting. Come here then, come and open those businesses, come and do the change here. It’s really hard everywhere not just America.
As a black American 🇺🇸, I will never understand why people look at Africans as incapable individuals who were forced to believe in Christ or any other belief without choice. This burns me up. People make it seem like Africans are just ignorant and need the saving of “Black Americans”. Absolutely ridiculous!
That's because we know nothing about a continent we have zero connections to and a lot of us believe that we do know about Africa, have roots to it, etc etc and it's cringe.
Thiiis
Black people in America have been here for over 400 years, whatever culture we had from Africa is loooong gone. Our culture is exclusively American.
@@joec.1766
Honey, whatever makes u sleep at night
Something I appreciate about these Jubilee this v that videos is that a panel of strangers who staunchly but mostly respectfully disagree on many things can also see our human commonality as well. We are all flawed no one is perfect I appreciate that in the end for the most part they can agree to disagree and continue to see each other as human beings.
This is the best chapter, no doubt. As an Afro-Cuban living in the States, this debate was very helpful in better understanding the diverse black experiences in this country.
Someone should tell Tyler the Bible doesn’t say, “his feet was BLACK as brass.”
Yes, should have been instant correction there.
This is one of those you get the point things .
And His hair was white like wool
Skin like brass (brown) and hair like wool (African).
It does say that though ...which bible have you not been reading?
Tyler needs a reality check. Being black isn’t the only quality that we have 🙄
Fr
he hella nationalistic and ethnocentric
He never said that was our only quality stop putting words in people's mouths
@@BushidoXBrownThat’s basically what he said. Stop being mad at Christians for believing in Christianity. How about that.
@@erikarobinson3557 judging by your tongue you're the one getting mad. I didn't hear that. Christians act like being attacked for simple reasons. Nobody cares if your REALLY what to throw problem on wizard. Problem is anybody else is not willing to. Don't get mad. Or see anything other another wacky ancient books from ignorant barbarian that barely have wisdom swap kids with goat in sacrifice. That wouldn't work anyway.
I found that to be a really captivating conversation among some very thoughtful, unique individuals.
Mandisa, so glad to see you here, definitely a voice of reason.
She kinda looks like Tiffany haddish😂
Tyler, if you see this - Sometimes the best response is to simply listen.
Yet tyler was spitting the most historical facts. Maybe you should be listening to tyler
@@newyorka7 I see you are also quick to talk, slow to listen. Historical facts are great, with proper context and the correct conversation. However Tyler derailed every conversation and question by trying to argue points that weren’t being discussed. He flatly ignored the premises of the questions in favor of espousing “facts” that no one was there for. And at every chance he got, he was dismissive of other “black” experiences that didn’t fit his narratives. Tyler was loud, possibly hurt, and flatly disrespectful.
@@christopherdavis1012 dude it honestly just sounds like you disagree with tyler’s facts and are creating your own false narrative as to how what he was saying didn’t fit into the questions when they fit perfectly. He literally said he’s not there to invalidate anyone’s blackness so how was he dismissive of anyone’s black experience? He never cut anybody off or claimed there was a specific way to be black. The fact that you claim no one was there for the facts he presented shows your bias towards him. It really just seems like his facts go against your world view so you’re trying to paint him out as the bad guy when not only did he open up great dialect between him and the Christian’s, but mandisa and Darius were also clearly on the same accord as him. And are we watching the same video? Nowhere in this was he loud, or disrespectful. This was quite literally possibly the most respectful dialogue to occur on one of these types of videos.
@@newyorka7 🤦🏾♂️ you came under my comment thinking you found someone to play with. Stop. Go find someone else to bother with this nonsense.
@@christopherdavis1012 no one is playing with you. Grow up
That exchange between Tyler and Roxy irritated me. Who is Tyler to tell ANY black person what they should and shouldn't prioritize when it comes to blackness? He's NOT the authority and people like him are a reason why I have a HUGE issue with these so-called "pro-blacks". You don't get to police other people's blackness based on what YOU believe "blackness" is. Like she said, she's just as black as he is, and no amount of rhetoric is going to change that.
The societal expectation placed upon individuals of Black heritage, suggesting a perceived responsibility to serve as representatives or ambassadors for the entire Black community. This expectation appears rooted in the reductionist view held by some individuals, wherein one's racial identity becomes the primary lens through which they are perceived and evaluated. In essence tho what Tyler is trying to articulate was fostering unity and collective action within the Black community holds immense potential for addressing systemic issues and achieving economic empowerment. By leveraging collective resources and mobilizing community efforts, opportunities emerge to establish and support Black-owned businesses, create educational initiatives focused on entrepreneurship and financial literacy, and empower future generations through quality education that fosters not just survival, but thriving
Well said fam well said
Plus its no such thing as defending myself as black. When we start needing to prove how black we are lol.
its the most annoying part of these pro-black discussions, feels like someone is always trying to check your card. Or one-up your "blackness" while also saying the concept of blackness is an evil racist creation.
Just obnoxious.
literally came to the comments to see if anyone else was noticing that
I love Roxie! She was sooooo spot on about relativism! And absolutely spot on about the victim mentality! I could listen to her all day if she had a podcast. She said I'm much more than my race and to say otherwise is demeaning! Truth!!!!! The simple fact that she takes the same position as Morgan Freeman (his video on racism is basically a masterclass on it) on we're not victims anymore speaks volumes!
This was thoughtful and thought provoking! Keep up the wonderful work.
should’ve chose a better moderator for this one. this guy was so rude to let those guys cut off the lady speaking but when she was gonna speak he was like “let him finish”
Respect gen, harder than you think
Easter worshippers get enough platform, let someone else "spread their belief"
So do you or do you not want women to cook? 🤔
Disagree. Gen is a great moderator. The edit is probably influencing the way you're seeing things. Not the moderator's fault.
@@WesHuesosappreciate that
Tyler is saying he’s not reducing Roxy’s blackness while actively ridiculing and belittling her. 😐😐😐
He’s been living inside Twitter too much 😂😂😂
Did I really?
@@BlackPeerReviewTylerBurns NO, you were on point. Christians are just exercising wilful ignorance in these comments
@@BlackPeerReviewTylerBurns
I didn’t see this while watching. I’d be interested if the OP had some examples because I’m a bit confused.
@@BlackPeerReviewTylerBurnsyes you did, the same way u felt ppl naturally assumed u were Christian’s for being black as frustrating is the same way u some her race to one political ideology. It’s clear you failed to understand ppl having a different opinion to your own.
wow this one was surprisingly refreshing to watch. i feel like everyone was very respectful and receptive
Everyone??
Omg the way everyone hugged and all at the end despite differing opinions was BEAUTIFUL!!!!!! THAT made my day!!!!❤❤❤❤
me to :)
@@geneseperkins811 truly a beautiful moment!
The fact that the atheist lady said people assume and ask her what church do she goes too automatically tells you how much the black church has formed our black culture
If you need church to form your community then you are a weak one
It’s just a stereotype she does look like somebody spiritual auntie fasho… but all she has to do is respectfully say she doesn’t do church she does give study… that way you don’t have to explain that you’re an atheist and why etc…
"Formed" is different from the current stereotypical climate.
Harry Potter is a better book to argue
@@KeonRousenaw bro people shouldn’t lead off with questions about religion , sexuality , or politics
*Roxie was a breath of fresh air.*
*When she brought up the Ancient Ethiopian Tewahedo Christian community, I was so impressed! Everyone forgets about them and their rich history and indigenous culture!*
Her channel is "That Black Catholic Chick." Love her!
You love her because she’s a Republican and hates herself. 💀
Everybody was respectful. What are yall watching?
@@calebdavis381 The Guy In the Yellow Shirt was definitely not Respectful
@@aloe704He was passionate.
LOVE these longer form videos Jubilee. Keep it up!
Loved this conversation my Beautiful people ❤️❤️🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾😊
Tyler contradicted himself when he disagreed with Roxy when she pointed out that Tyler is treating black people as a monolith. He responds by saying all black people should put blackness above everything else…Sir that is literally what a monolith is. You are literally saying the black community should operate as a monolith by us all choosing to put blackness above everything else.
That’s not a contradiction
The societal expectation placed upon individuals of Black heritage, suggesting a perceived responsibility to serve as representatives or ambassadors for the entire Black community. This expectation appears rooted in the reductionist view held by some individuals, wherein one's racial identity becomes the primary lens through which they are perceived and evaluated. In essence tho what Tyler is trying to articulate was fostering unity and collective action within the Black community holds immense potential for addressing systemic issues and achieving economic empowerment. By leveraging collective resources and mobilizing community efforts, opportunities emerge to establish and support Black-owned businesses, create educational initiatives focused on entrepreneurship and financial literacy, and empower future generations through quality education that fosters not just survival, but thriving
That's not what a monolith is. A monolith is saying they're all the same. Not that we should use our resources to feed, house, and educate Black people. He didn't even say a specific type of Black people. What are you talking about?
I think what he meant is that we need to be doing more…frfr and since you can really only focus on one thing at a time keep religion 👍🏽because everyone has their vice, their comforts nd stuff but we really do need institutions…we’ve kept our legacy’s through word of mouth,through ideas… long enough🤷🏽♀️
Putting 'blackness over other things is black supremacy
I wanna see a debate between homeschooling parents and parents who send their children to school since homeschooling is skyrocketing in USA.
AGREE
Yesss, as a parent of a child who will start kindergarten this year I'd love to hear from both sides of that bc I'm on the fence on what to do.
I would much rather hear from the kids themselves-teens who have always been homeschooled vs teens who have always been in public school. The parents would have a different view of what they think their kids are experiencing and it would be much more interesting to actually see how it is impacting the kids from them
I've went to public school, private school, and have been homeschooled. I would absolutely say homeschooling is better and Im going to homeschool my own kid until they demand otherwise. Bullying, by students and staff alike, is out of hand
That would be interesting. Homeschooling has pros and cons like everything else. For me it put a negative impact on my social skills and academic performance. So I don’t think it’s going to be for every single child and I hate the fact that parents now have to resort something like homeschooling, which might be a hit or miss because of the lack of safety in brick and mortar schools.
What’s the point of a moderator if all he’s gonna do is cut off everyone just let one dude speak?
Thought the exact same thing. It literally would’ve been better off without one
It’s probably the edit
Moderator is there push the conversation and keep things on track. If a mod notices certain points worth talking about, you’d create challenging questions for other to chime in on.
The moderator needs to moderate and pull other voices in and stop one voice from speaking over the others.
Because that one dude is cool and he has swagger
This was so intense 🔥. One of the best ever
What's so amazing about this segment, which is a testament to us as a community, is that no matter how heated the conversations got, not once did it feel like anybody came from a place of anger and violence. It never felt like they were ever being spiteful or toxic, which is definitely a feeling in many other episodes.
The black Christians represented Christianity very well. I like this discussion 🙏🏾
lol they were very innacurate like all christians
@@ilovepdub Why are atheist so unhappy and ready to contest/humble everyone they see that doesn't believe what they believe in
@@ilovepdub The most happiest athiest
@@ilovepdub How so? I'm not inaccurate yet I'm a Christian
@@ilovepdub innacurate how?
Tyler isn't atheist. He's super Pro Black. Please get REAL black atheists on the platform who won't just talk about Pro Black Issues. Let them talk of why they believe there's nobody above.
Huh? Being an atheist and being "pro-black" are mutually exclusive now?
Yes!! Like someone who can really argue they don’t believe not because they believe something else
What's the correlation here between being those two things? I'm confused
exactly- he pissed me off so bad.
@@pedroantonio5565pro black has more to do with social justice/ political issues not religion.
This was a powerful dialogue!!! I love it so much! Thank you!
“JAMES HARDEN?! 😃…LEBRON ?! 😃”
Us: 🦗 🦗🦗🦗🦗
the corniness almost took me out!!!!
Roxy ! What a woman of grace and integrity! The Holy Spirit is strong in her … patience and compassion in everything she said 🙌
agreed! Regardless if you are religious or non-religious...
Seriously! Because she tolerated a lot lol
Lol she was the one who got on my nerves
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She was on point! She most def is anointed! I wish they had picked more people like her on the Christian side. I feel like they didn’t chose enough educated Christians for this one
I hope during the next conversation the mediator does a better job at leaving bias at the door and letting everyone finish their sentences.
You ain’t lying ❗️ It was so blatant and annoying.
1000% agree with this!! It may even be helpful to cycle out mediators every now and then because he really missed the mark in this video tbh.
Frrrrrr
100% agreed. Not letting certain people end their conversation... sentences... like come on; its obvious where your bias leans towards
Gentle heathens don’t care for the word fr
I haven't finished the video yet but having to change how you express yourself to please others is why I have social anxiety. Frankly I understand and I'm not gonna curse around a teacher but amen just means so be it why does that bother people.
Christianity didn’t enslave our ancestors. People did. Christian doctrine doesn’t.
Yeah slavery is a curse not God's will
Sorry guys. You gotta redo this one without Tyler. He hijacked this whole damn debate.
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no he ate
@@morganjanaeee😂
Tyler needs a special! And I am a Christian.
Tyler is just young and fired up out of passion.
Ethiopia is the second-oldest Christian country in the world. Armenia is the first. Africa was one of the first places Christianity flourished. And Roxy made some great points about individuality and identity.
east africa was the first place it flourished. not the entire africa.
@@inezaa you are correct.
Northeast Africa has always been a stronghold of Christianity until relatively recently. The Nubians followed the same form of Christianity as Ethiopia and were able to defeat the first Caliphate, the Rashidun Caliphate, twice in war until it broke from instability after nearly 1,000 years.
@@JohnDoe-bh2lp I've read that “religio-ethnic cleansing” is going on against Christians in that region.
Which has really nothing to do with Black American Christianity, the majority of them are not practicing Ethiopian Orthodox traditions.
The guy with the golden shirt just makes stuff up but he's confident in the way he says it so people go along with what he says.
Big dude didn’t eat before the debate boy feisty asf 😂
As a black atheist, i appreciate the Christian talking points and positions in this exchange. Their overall world view aligns with mine even if we dont align theologically. I most specifically appreciated Roxi and her respectful but strong pushback
Christian here! (but im white o.0) & that’s pretty cool, it’s really nice to see an atheist not shaming Christians for being Christian because I unfortunately see so much of that online and they give people like you a bad rep. U seem like a respectable person and I, well, respect you for that. Great comment!
@@clckcyou’ll literally find any subset of a culture on the internet shaming the other side…that’s nothing specific to atheists. Plenty of Christians online doing the same thing to atheists. If you go out of your way and speak to an educated atheist in person I’m absolutely positive you’ll find they are respectful and aren’t trying to deconstruct your beliefs or shame your worldview.
@@clckc well, as I always say: every village has its idiots.
By definition being "atheist" means having no "theology" so i don't understand what you mean by "even if we dont align theologically"
and i thing, their overall world view that aligns with yours is actualy the non "religious" component of that world view.
Regardless of religion when it comes to armed security I got my people. I've marched and instructed people on how to build rifles, how to choose body armor, laws that pertain to conceal carry in our state. I've provided security at the Juneteenth event that was held a few years ago in our town. They christian, I'm pagan, either way I got you. Racists only see black they don't care if you're atheist or gay or anything else.
I think active listening during these kind of panels is essential, instead of solely waiting on your time to respond. Tyler definitely hijacked this debate. The purpose of the moderator is to mitigate someone doing what Tyler did.
True
If it was a problem for any one of them during the convo I can almost promise you it would have been addressed
@@ariyonnadennis559they did various times😂
Yeah, I wish they’d get rid of him. Who tf asked for a guy to sit with them anyway
@@BadBigBodysomeone who wanted to get a rise out of the debate.. whoever chose him to sit in on this conversation knew what they were doing
I applaud this conversation. I lean one way but I can admit it was well articulated and gives more to think about ❤
As a server, I would like to see another middle ground discussion on tipping-service industry in America. What are the thoughts on how people feel about tipping. Should we tip or not. Is the system broken or not.
That moderator seems so scared of that big guy. It seems like he’s always allowing him to cut off everyone but not letting ppl interject.
Thank you, i thought i was the only one that noticed everytime 'let him talk let him talk' but he never had the same energy for anyone else
It was annoying af
@@UncleDexterexactly! I kinda wish he didn’t join the group but stayed out of it all together
@@sarahlarock9885 Do u know how hard it is to moderate these types of questions and debates? Especially with a group of 8 ppl, so yea he did a fair job
How many times did the "unbiased" commontator give Tyler the ground to speak before anyone else?
The whole video is heavily edited. Tyler unfortunately dominated the debate (as many of the extreme participants on Jubilee often do)
@@Random-sk6hm The mod probably gave him some chance to repeatedly explained his stance because other panelists seemed unwilling to accept his opinion and keep on missing his point and being defensive for whatever reason (at least that's how I see it)
@@Lunearien he was the most defensive one there 🤦♀️
Because he was being logical
I think they would’ve said something if they minded it
Athiesm in America is more about rejecting the Aramaic traditions than its about being irreligious, skeptic or non religious
I feel people who actively identify as "athiest" are the same as people who actively identify as "nonbinary." Like, you're kind of missing the point by identifying as the thing you are claiming to not identify with. Just say "I don't practice a religion" or "I don't really identify with a gender."
What a refreshing conversation amongst open minded intellects!! Kudos to the moderator as well👍👍
What kind of moderator is this 😭😭 Tyler completely cut off the guy who was speaking and then he says “hold on let him finish” 😂
It was to let him elaborate and then return to them
@@Random-sk6hm if u look back he didn’t return a lot of the times when Rocky wanted to speak he never went back to ask her what she wanted to say
@@Random-sk6hm exactly!
That's kinda what a moderator is supposed to do...
Is to balance the speaking times for fairness. Let people finish their complete thoughts time permitting etc.
Bias.
The "upside-down" cross is actually incredibly Catholic. Peter refused to be martyred in the same way as Christ because he felt unworthy. He asked to be placed upside-down on the crucifix.
I guess the swastika is perfectly fine because it's a sign of peace to hindus?
symbols can mean multiple things. if a symbol is inverted, it usually means the opposite of what it initially represents.
True, however people today don't know that and absolutely are trying to mock Christianity...
playing semantics. at the end of the day are you wearing it because of that reason? No
So it got hijacked by satanic reddit
@50:15 Mandisa's face when the wager is mentioned 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 That was AWESOME! I'm so glad she responded
That’s was very deep convo and I enjoyed they didn’t disrespect one another, they were respectful the whole 9!!!’ We need more conversation like this
As a black atheist roxie was nailing it. The black guy who is a atheist was just very angry and wanted us to all think the same way while saying don't be same.
I agree. I am agnostic, but I really liked Roxie too
@@FreeBird2.0 I’ve made the same observation ! Thanks for pointing that out
Roxie is the kind of Black Christian that us black atheists love to have as friends. At least, I would.
Black Atheist and I agree she was excellent and so well spoken. That guy started rambling and absolutely lost me towards the end.
Nah she is just a black conservative… all her opinions go back to black conservative talking points nothing about Christianity vs atheism.
The atheists being offended when someone says “bless you” or “amen” to them is way to much
I don't think they were offened, I think they were pointing out how ingrained in society christianity is which went with the topic of " Christianity shaping the black comminity."
@@silvernightskin 💯
@@silvernightskinexactly
It's only offensive to Christians when atheists don't agree with the same practices or lingo.
They weren't offended. They said it is proof of the assumption of their Christianity as the default.
I agree with Tyler on EVERYTHING EXCEPT the bless you part
This was such a highly educated episode more than the average ep, and yet just as exhausting as the regular jubilee episodes. . .
As an Atheist, who lives in Africa we have it worst here. Is not easy being an atheist in Africa.
What country? Hope you find the truth
in jamaica same thing.
@@iarellano27 jfc
Atheist South African here
@@iarellano27 Ghana
I’m not religious but Roxy made the most sense here. Very eloquent and open minded.
Fr she made a lot of sense but lost me at the afterlife part
She lost me a few times. She was well spoken and respectful, but I always disassociate when people speak in religious platitudes instead of reality. Or claim they have no fear of death 😂
@@Jessicad9304who are you to control how she speaks and how she lives her truth?
@@Hwhdueu wow there turbo! Who said I wanted to control how she speaks and lives? I just commented on the effect her words had on me, as the internet is a place for sharing various perspectives and reactions. Try to be less reactive and defensive if you’re going to participate online.
@@Jessicad9304 you’re claiming you know her more than she does. That she’s not in reality and IS afraid of death when she said she isn’t
An excellent group. Thank you for the glimpse inside the conversation.
I absolutely loved this!!! Great discussion!!!
Tyler's tone talking directly to the women vs talking to the men was two completely different attitudes and it did not go unnoticed...
Noticed this too!
No he was not! Put your feminist sword down sheesh!
100%
He was rather defensive from the jump. Look at his body language. And his tone.
Yes, I clocked that too!
Mandisa was so respectful -educated- and well spoken, same with Don. I would’ve rather listened to the older folk talk about this honestly.
I used to see her on Matt Dilahunty's show years ago. She makes us black atheist women proud :) I hope one day she realizes shes making an impact just like the historical black atheists she mentioned at the beginning. Mandia's org is called "BlackNonBelievers".
@@Selanaxfanx omg thank you so much, I’ll check it out rn
No, she was not. There were many instances where she was making faces and judging when the people she disagreed with spoke
@@Nnwhenshs You're so welcome! Mandisa mentioned a few historical black atheist pioneers at the beginning of this video and I hope she knows she has contributed in the same way. I think her org is called "BlackNonBelievers". Enjoy :)
@@Nnwhenshs You're so welcome! Mandisa mentioned atheist pioneers at the beginning of the video and I hope she realizes shes had the same impact on Black atheists. Her org is "BlackNonBelievers".
I'm late but this is the most locked-in I've EVER seen lmao 😂
@10:29 he really ended the convo to me. Unity before being black is to me OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM especially in the way he explained it. That is the best place to start.
Tyler shifted this conversation soooooooooooo far from the original topic i forgot wtf i was watching….smh
He referenced the development of Christianity in Africa during a discussion between black Christians and atheists. Did he shift the conversation or do you just not like what he said?😂
No he mostly shifted to discuss black movements @TK-cg4ks
@@TheMilanW And he did in connection to Christianity. I know what you’re implying and I’m not going to let you have it without spelling it out.
@TK-cg4ks well the entire topic is about Christianity so I'm not sure what you're trying to imply
Ummm, did you watch the whole interview?? He most DEFINITELY kept with the tone of the topic and THEN SOME. For Black Americans… you can not talk about Christianity, without discussing our history and culture in America. It goes hand in hand. PERIOD.
Roxy is speaking facts! Tyler keeps jumping around in the convo trying to take any dig where ever he can when she doesn’t want to answer his question. Like bruh that’s not the convo we are in
I disagree. Tyler was speaking historical facts. Where in this video has tyler taken a dig? It’s not that she didn’t want to answer his question, it’s bc of her outlook on life she never even thought to research it for herself to even have an idea on it. Tyler was bringing up valid points that should be conversed as black person especially in America.
@@newyorka7 bruh, Tyler was literally not even talking about the topic and was talking about a bunch of nonsense that didn't even revolve around the question. His mindset is full of victimization, just like what Roxy said that they have a victimized mentality because you see he also brought up his own personal experiences, and then based on that one situation that happened in his life he continued to judge Christians and believed that black people are being oppressed. Like dude it's 2024, there is no oppression unless you believe in it and victimize yourself.
@@livvy5984 What an ignorant take. Literally everything tyler said was spot on. You have to lack serious historical context if you believe nothing he was saying was on topic. Hence why mandisa and Darius were on the same accord as him. Please name one thing he said that was of a victim mindset. And you’re obviously just bitter about the historical truths he presented and are trying to demonish his argument bc he clearly said that he was a Christian during the time frame of his personal story. He said that was his first experience with micro aggressions within the religion, he never said that made him judge Christian’s and believe that black ppl were oppressed. And if you believe there’s no oppression in 2024 you have to painfully blind to everyday life. Have you never heard of Palestine? Congo? I mean Kanye west literally had his bank account shut down for his political views. Blacks are the only ppl who are told to forget their history yet we’re supposed to always remember everyone else’s. Miss me with that blissful ignorance!
@@livvy5984Yeah as a Christian, I agree with A LOT of what Tyler said. He doesn’t have a victim mentality, if you research the things he spoke about it’s actually STILL happening to black ppl today it’s just more covert and there’s data to prove it.
Real estate is a means to creating generational wealth and a study found that black ppl have to “un-black” their homes in order to get fair market value on their homes when selling them. It’s also been found that black women (regardless of socioeconomic status) are dying at alarming rates during childbirth simply because its believe they can take more pain than other races and/or are believed to be lying about their pain. Nurses spoke on how it’s in their RECENT textbooks!
However, I do believe that regardless of these issues (there are more I just didn’t list them) black ppl should use the resources their ancestors fought and died for to level up!
@@livvy5984the second part of what you said makes me think you’re not even black and probably shouldn’t be discussing at all.
As a South African humanist, found this to be a truly great episode. It resonates with discussions on colonization and African cultures over here. Thank you to all the participants.