bulwark and king shied are ehhh since they can’t block status, but detect should have took fighting imo, and debatably spiky should have took grass…and silk trap should have took bug.
One move that everyone seems to forget about that I think deserves mention - Double Iron Bash. An 120 BP perfectly accurate multi-hit move with a 55% chance to flinch is crazy.
Sounds like a Dragapault + ??? crossover if you ask me! "I can I borrow this for a moment?" **grabs Dreepy with a squeaky sound effect** But what if a Pokemon with spiky bits could use the-- Nope. Never mind. Garchomp is good enough as is.
@@donnovanash2334 Cracking up at the mental image of an animation where Drifloon uses dragon darts, but the animation shows them chucking a human pre-schooler trainer model at the enemy Pokémon in a similar way to how cramorant can sometimes spit Pikachu at opponents.
Hydrosteam I think competes with scald as well. A base 80 move thats boosted by both sun and rain is pretty gamebreaking when it comes to weather wars I think.
Tailwind is not a move you want on every single flyting type. Dragons Ascent however is a move you definetly would use on EVERY Flying type that has an acceptable attack stat :P But its in my opinion the second best flying type move with little to no competition.
I would definitely argue No Retreat being the best fighting move. Pardon my singles brain, but look at the sheer volume of pokemon in balanced hackmons that opt to run that move-when you have access to literally everything. A practically free omni-boost (whose side effect can also be side stepped by shed shell or being a ghost type) only held back by being on a coughing baby of a pokemon
i would also give honorable mentions to triple arrows which would be stupid and dumb and stupid on a fast pokemon, victory dance for. being victory dance, or detect
@@Taxibirdbro fighting is resisted by 5 types with one imune, like yes it is super effective on 5 types but still. If you want one that would be busted it would be a rock or ground type equivalent
I feel like the decision at the Game Freak office was "give Gigaton Hammer 160 BP and no recharge turn" or "give Tinkaton a good attack stat" and I'm glad they chose the funnier option.
Yea so glad they did the same with Ursaluna: "Hey we want to make a version with a Hyper Beam on roids". "Okay, but be sure to give it low attack." "Yeah we did dw."
Honorable Mention for the best Ice Type move goes to Freeze Dry. Being able to turn the Ice Resistance of Water Types into a Weakness is incredible especially given how gosh darn Bulky many of the most played Watertypes can be. Also opens up a Slot for better coverage IF your Pokemon otherwise would have to use a for example Grass or Electric Type move to deal with Waters.
I think Oblivion Wing absolutely takes the flying slot, if every flying type could have oblivion wing, Lugia would be viable. Healing 75% of the damage dealt is absurd for an 80 BP move. Also for dark Wicked Blow is great but Id argue Knock off has a case to be made, but even then both are no taunt. Taunt shuts down so much that I feel its an easy number one. Last thing Ill mention is water, fishious rend is definitely the best. the argument of being able to click scald and burn things freely doesn't compare to just KOing whatever is in front of you if you move first. That's all Id change personally, great vid and cool list
I agree with all 3 of these statements. Especially knock off, which imo is probably the best move in the game. Cause while protect and Spore are better, they cannot actually kill the opponent. Knock off does big damage while having one of the greatest utility effects in the game. Until paradox pokemon, switching into knock off felt so bad, regardless of the resist.
10:07 I know gigaton hammer has a really big number with basicaly no drawback, but i think double iron bash is the best steel move, 30% to flinch and you hit twice with 2 60 bp moves. Double iron bash is a 120 base power move, that ignores focus sash and substitute that has a 50% chance to flinch you, has no drawback and it is even a punch move so it gets boosted by iron fist and punching globe
Protect is also the single reason why VGC is able to work as it does, without it the game would just be a hyper aggressive speedrun with little to no strategy or skill expression.
We should make a format called “Moveset Inversion” that gives stronger mons weak moves and weaker mons shit like v create and gigaton hammer. Finally, Weedle and Mega Rayquaza can be on the same tier
Kinda surprised Double Iron Bash wasnt at least mentioned. Effectively 120 BP, can ohko through Sash, 51% Flinch Rate. Slightly weaker that Gigaton Hammer but it can be used every turn and has multiple bonus effects. Its like Steel-type close combat but instead of 2 stat drops you can two bonus effects.
@skeetermania3202 usually a lot more switching in singles so knock off is giving you better long term effects whereas in doubles the games are generally shorter and making the move immune to intimidate is insanely good for a physical move.
For pollen puff, don't forget, literally a bunch of Calyrex Shadow like to run it to hit dark types and the normal/psychic squad you can't hit with Astral barrage and the damage it does is surprising alongside obviously healing sometimes
I love the concept of other Pokémon learning dragon darts, because it implies that Garchomp is like, carrying some dreepy around in its pockets or something.
Id like to suggest a video idea, how would give the rest of the Pokémon types a secondary trait, some types have additional traits associated to them other then just the standard type chart but if you were to give every type an additional bonus what would it be, alternatively rank all the current benifits from most useful to least. the ones we already have are: Grass: immune to powder moves Fire: immune to burn Electric: immune to paralysis Poison: immune to poison and clears toxic spikes if grounded Ice: immune to freeze and 50% def buff in snow Rock: 50% spdef buff in sand Dark: immune to moves given priority through prankster Ghost: cant be trapped by arena trap or shadow tag
I'd like it if they gave one to Psychic. Those that make more sense tho I think are immunity to confusion (too weak) or immunity to flinching (too busted).
@@ParkyMarz i feel like immunity to flinch should go to fighting type since they are valiant pokemon (we are not gonna talk about how busted it would be lmao)
Ground and Steel are also immune to sandstorm damage, and Steel types can’t be poisoned. Also, ghost types are immune to ALL forms of trapping, not just trapping abilities.
I find it reeeeally hard to believe that v create isn't even worth a mention for fire. With 80 base power more trading for the burn chance and even with the drop to defenses. In a longer engagement being able to click sacred wins out but the ability to juke something out of existence in one turn is worth a lot.
In VGC, having to switch is a much bigger commitment, and it only doing single-target damage, it can be foiled by Protect. Plus you forgot to mention that it also lowers your Speed.
A reason he didnt mention might be that it is that while it is technically a move coded into gen 9, no pokemon can actually learn the move so it is unplayable without hacking it in.
I will say, surprised that none of the pivot moves got a mention. Volt Switch, U-turn, and Flip Turn, while probably not the best moves of their types, are definitely incredibly powerful tools to have.
Only thing I could argue with is triple arrow for fighting, 50%def drop? allows a partner to kill instantly, 30% flinch? Forces opponent to play the game of focus miss, I'd say it it contends with sacred sword, sure you miss the perfect accuracy and indifference to stat changes, but it's still a solid move
Honestly i would say sketch is prolly the best normal move just because if every normal tyoe could learn it thats BROKEN. And also pollen puff over uturn? Hell i would say its not really that close either. To be able to hit a quick move and swirch into a prediction is prolly one of the best feelings😂
@@fe_three_rosses you dont get it. Even if any pokemon could get it, it is a characteristic of the move for it to have no effect when any pokemon but hoopa uses it. If you hack a pikachu with hyperspace fury into a game and you use it, the move does nothing. You can hack a pikachu with judgement and it will work properly, but hyper.fury will do nothing. Its a characteristic of the move, to do nothing when not used by hoopa. Changing that would be a mod, a romhack as you would be modyfying the code of the game.
Isn't Steam Eruption just better Scald? It has 110 Base Power and the same secondary effect with just 5% lower accuracy. And despite being a signature move, you said you weren't taking into account which Pokémon learn them.
@@abrawolfHe talked about Diamond Storm in the same video, so I think it was just a case of him forgetting that Volcanion exists, as he didn't even mention that it could learn Scald as well
11:57 I know this is a doubles-focused video, but as a singles-only player that only has a surface level understanding of the VGC metagame, hearing any move other than U-turn threw me for a loop. Much less a move I've never heard of before.
Tbf, Knock Off is definitely more accesible, but it’s not the most actual OHKO move out there and it’s max power isn’t comparable to Wicked Blow More utility, less sheer damage
Maybe I'm wrong but the vibes I get from you are of someone who feels dirty doing a lot of the youtube algo shit like asking for likes and the subscribers vs actual viewers thing but do it anyway because it works and getting paid to talk about Pokemon is a pretty sweet job (from the outside anyway). And honestly if I'm right I respect that a lot lol, so many of youtubers sound so phony at best. At worse you get youtubers who sound like they're trying to guilt trip their audience which I imagine is particularly effective with younger viewers which Pokemon would obviously have a lot of. The honesty you give off is refreshing. I don't know what spurred me to write this (probably that 'tism dawg in me) but keep up the good work.
I think collision course might be the best fighting type move. 100/100 with a secondary effect to nuke out incineroar is amazing. So many physical attackers that aren’t even fighting types could run as really strong coverage to beat the many fighting weak mons that exist. Sacred sword is really consistent but having that extra 10 base power will probably matter more than defence boosts or evasion Strats especially since the 2 main defence boosting mons, zamzenta and stamina archaludon will take 33% more from Collision course.
I would have personally said Dark Void for dark, because there’s nothing balanced about putting two pokemon to sleep. When it comes to nightmares, Smeargle’s pretty prominent in mine 😆 For Rock, what about Wide Guard? Anything that makes Calyrex sad is worth a mention to me! For Psychic, Photon Geyser is BUSTED. It can use either attack or special attack and ignores abilities! For Poison, Malignant Chain is 100 power and 100 accuracy and has a 50/50 chance to apply toxic poison. I would still have said Dire Claw though 🤷♂️
The bug type is the worst type in the game, but they have some of these best moves in the game. Pollen puff, sticky web, tail glow, silk trap, first impression, u-turn, leech life (this one is debatable, but I felt like including it anyway), and quiver dance are among some of the best moves a polemon could learn.
I do like how you make a quick mention of some of the best moves when it comes to pure power before explaining why a move with lower or no damage is better Considering moves like Sacred Sword are considered the best for their type because of power and consistency does make me want there to be more wide spread minimum 90 power 100 accuracy moves with no drawbacks
I think every type should get two 90 BP 100% accuracy moves, one physical and one special... Why does shadow ball have to be weaker? Why does high horsepower have to miss?
I mean, aren't Spiky Shield, Baneful Bunker, King's Shield, Burning Bulwark, Obstruct and Silk Trap just better versions of protect? If any pokemon could use them, they would be absolutely broken.
Some don't work on status like protect, and they require physical contact which is not every physical attack, and like 2 special attacks ti trigger where Protect and to a lesser extend Detect just say nope under 99.9 cases
Okay: but counterpoint on Water/Fire/Electric/Ice moves: Partner Pikachu and Partner Eevees special moves are downright broken. Splishy Splash (water) is a 90 power Scald that has a 30% chance to paralyze instead of burn. Buzzy Buzz (electric) is a 90 power Nuzzle with a guaranteed paralysis. Sizzly Slide (fire) is a 90 power guaranteed burn And Freezy Frost (ice) is a 90 power attack with a haze stapled on. Oh, and all of these special moves are 100% accurate.
I don't think the others hang compared to your list, TBH. Dark and Psychic setting up screens or reflect are not better than Trick Room or Wicked Blow. Grass setting leech seed is not better than Spore. Fairy being a cure-bell isn't better than Geomancy. Flying isn't better than Dragon Ascent. And Normal is just.. Return. Which is not better than Protect
I want to throw Mighty Cleave (Iron Boulder's signature move) into the ring for consideration for the best Rock-type move. 100% accuracy, 95 base power, boosted by Sharpness, and bypasses Protect (and similar moves). It would literally let every physical Rock-type attacker become Urshifu. I don't think any physical Rock-type attacker wouldn't run this move if they had access to it.
Wicked Blow over Knock Off is kind of crazy imo, any physical mon (and sometimes special mons) will run knock off if given access to it because of how good it is
@@melvondrewhite2674 65 base power if they aren't holding an item or have an ability/item that otherwise makes it impossible to be removed (sticky hold or megastones for example). It goes up to ~100 base power if they have an item and removes that item from them and I don't think I have to say how much having an item can decide whether or not you win fights. Sure wicked blow is effectively 150 bp and goes through defense changes but the sheer utility and usefulness of knock off outshadows it imo. I did yap a bit but I stand behind the fact that knock off is the best dark type move.
@@faursh659 Which Is Irrelevant Because It’s Still 65 Base Power Even If You’re Holding An Item . Using Knock-Off Means Nothing On Anything That Isn’t A Ghost Or Psychic-Type . It’s Still Relatively *WEAK* In Comparison ! 💯
Also p sure knock off > wicked blow, it does almost the same amount of damage due to the 50% boost to the 65 it gets when hitting an item and getting rid of the item is such a ridiculously busted secondary effect
Kind of surprised switch moves aren't mentioned here. Volt Switch, U Turn, Parting Shot, Chilly Reception. I'm not saying they should all be the best move of their types but just the sheer utility they have is insane. I can't think of any mon that has one of these moves that won't at least consider them sometimes.
I feel like Pollen Puff should be made into a whole category of moves called Resonance Moves or something: Psychic Resonance, Aura Resonance, Electromagnetic Resonance, Spirit Resonance, Shadow Resonance, Draco Resonance, Dazzling Resonance, and rename the OG to Pheromone Resonance. It could pretty much be a gimmick available to support mons that aren’t normal, steel, rock, ground, poison, or starter types which don’t have great associations with natural/fictional energy types.
@@MoxieBoosted I wouldn't say every move is, some excellent moves are probably still better because of their secondary effect. Spore, Scald, Pollen Puff, Diamond Storm, Double Iron Bash, Trick Room, Geomancy, Knock Off, Glacial Lance and Astral Barrage are still arguably better than their max moves, with max ooze and max knuckle not being great either due to low base power. Only Max Quake, Max Flare and Max Airstream would definitely beat out the other moves of their types.
I was gonna comment tailwind would like to have a word when I was halfway through the video, but you mentioned it at the end. I think tailwind is far more impactful on the game than flying close combat. The scenarios where you'd want tailwind for speed control on your team is probably far higher than the scenarios where you have a physical flying type on your team that would appreciate the move or even physical attackers using it as a coverage option.
You should make a part 2 that splits the moves in between best offensive, defensive, status, set up and support moves of each type. I think it would be cool to make a team using a full move pool of the best moves for each type.
My man forgot about triple arrows for fighting type. 90 power with high crit chance, chance to flinch and chance for defense drop. Kinda great. Using it on my Blaziken on radical red.
6:40 You would have a 67% chance to wake up turn 3 if you look at each turn individually (which you are doing since you put 100% turn 4). This is a perfect example of the Monty Hall problem.
Isn't steam eruption just objectively better scald, making it the best water move?
Shucks
@@MoxieBoosted "I love arguing with people"
-Instantly gives up
It can miss and has less pp so it rlly could be debated
@@Angelofo Just beacause it's theoretically debatable doesn't mean its any less stupid
The problem with steam eruption is that only one Mon can use it. So steam is better as it's more viable
Now do the worst move of every type
most likely used in LC
(barely even)
Even Splash, which is the worst move ever created had its use in VGC.
I remember in gen one when splash could do damage lol
Synchronoise.
@@insomniacnerd5592the real answer
Detect, Spiky Shield, etc not even getting a mention despite Protect stealing Normal’s slot:
Burning bulwark, king’s shield too
bulwark and king shied are ehhh since they can’t block status, but detect should have took fighting imo, and debatably spiky should have took grass…and silk trap should have took bug.
Nope the best one not mentioned is tailwind
@@ndmt1225Baneful bunker
@@JAYLID-z8ksilk trap also doesn’t block status
One move that everyone seems to forget about that I think deserves mention - Double Iron Bash. An 120 BP perfectly accurate multi-hit move with a 55% chance to flinch is crazy.
It should have been double iron bash it out damages gigaton hammer in the long run and can flinch
give it to jirachi
i understand the reasoning behind Pollen Puff, but i'm really shocked to see no mentioning of U-turn for Bug
Singles player here, so I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure U-Turn isn’t really used in VGC
Or quiver dance, or rage powder, or silk trap.
@@ndmt1225 it does, usually for intimidate
@@CJdoesntlikehandlesparting shot incineroar moment
@@benji5320u-turn lando
If a dragon type other than dragapult wants to run dragon darts, theyre gonna have to grab some dreepy to chuck at the opponent lol
So wouldn't it make sense for drifbloon to learn it? I mean it's stolen plenty of children, so why not?
@donnovanash2334 But… You didn’t… *sighs* you’re right
Nono the Dragonite throws Dratini.
Sounds like a Dragapault + ??? crossover if you ask me!
"I can I borrow this for a moment?" **grabs Dreepy with a squeaky sound effect**
But what if a Pokemon with spiky bits could use the-- Nope. Never mind. Garchomp is good enough as is.
@@donnovanash2334 Cracking up at the mental image of an animation where Drifloon uses dragon darts, but the animation shows them chucking a human pre-schooler trainer model at the enemy Pokémon in a similar way to how cramorant can sometimes spit Pikachu at opponents.
Hydrosteam I think competes with scald as well. A base 80 move thats boosted by both sun and rain is pretty gamebreaking when it comes to weather wars I think.
The best move in the game is obviously Silk Trap because it belongs to Spidops, baby.
Protect that drops speed this would be good on araquinid
Spidops let's GO
dragon ascent is pretty insane but no tailwind mention is surprising
16:30 Here you go
Tailwind is not a move you want on every single flyting type. Dragons Ascent however is a move you definetly would use on EVERY Flying type that has an acceptable attack stat :P But its in my opinion the second best flying type move with little to no competition.
Beak blast aswell
And no floaty fall
i mean by that logic trick room shouldn’t have gotten physic
Feel like tail glow should be honorable mention for bug types
sticky web and quiver dance too
Trick room is the coldest take in this video after Protect. Saw it coming from a mile away
@Mobtrapper-hq8isSpiky Shield is a Grass move which is already taken up by Spore
@ spiky shield is normal type? Didn’t realize, thanks for clarifying
I would definitely argue No Retreat being the best fighting move. Pardon my singles brain, but look at the sheer volume of pokemon in balanced hackmons that opt to run that move-when you have access to literally everything. A practically free omni-boost (whose side effect can also be side stepped by shed shell or being a ghost type) only held back by being on a coughing baby of a pokemon
i would also give honorable mentions to triple arrows which would be stupid and dumb and stupid on a fast pokemon, victory dance for. being victory dance, or detect
Nah bro it’s collisions course, 100 bp multiples damage on super effective targets, which for fighting is like everything
You mean coughing babies of a pokemon
@@Taxibirdbro fighting is resisted by 5 types with one imune, like yes it is super effective on 5 types but still. If you want one that would be busted it would be a rock or ground type equivalent
I respect the choice of Pollen Puff but I also feel like U-turn has a pretty good argument
I feel like the decision at the Game Freak office was "give Gigaton Hammer 160 BP and no recharge turn" or "give Tinkaton a good attack stat" and I'm glad they chose the funnier option.
Yea so glad they did the same with Ursaluna: "Hey we want to make a version with a Hyper Beam on roids".
"Okay, but be sure to give it low attack."
"Yeah we did dw."
2:38 it’s so adorable that he still thinks the official format isn’t random battles
Honorable Mention for the best Ice Type move goes to Freeze Dry. Being able to turn the Ice Resistance of Water Types into a Weakness is incredible especially given how gosh darn Bulky many of the most played Watertypes can be. Also opens up a Slot for better coverage IF your Pokemon otherwise would have to use a for example Grass or Electric Type move to deal with Waters.
No . But You’re Point Is Valid As Freeze-Dry Would Be Only If It Wasn’t 70 Base Power . 😂
70BP moves can be viable. Give that thing an expert belt and cook everything
Well, refrigerate everything
fun fact: jynx with dry skin is the only pokemon that resists both water and freeze dry
@@thejuiceking2219 you forgot Walrain (or any ice water) with thick fat
I think Oblivion Wing absolutely takes the flying slot, if every flying type could have oblivion wing, Lugia would be viable. Healing 75% of the damage dealt is absurd for an 80 BP move.
Also for dark Wicked Blow is great but Id argue Knock off has a case to be made, but even then both are no taunt. Taunt shuts down so much that I feel its an easy number one.
Last thing Ill mention is water, fishious rend is definitely the best. the argument of being able to click scald and burn things freely doesn't compare to just KOing whatever is in front of you if you move first.
That's all Id change personally, great vid and cool list
I agree with all 3 of these statements. Especially knock off, which imo is probably the best move in the game. Cause while protect and Spore are better, they cannot actually kill the opponent. Knock off does big damage while having one of the greatest utility effects in the game. Until paradox pokemon, switching into knock off felt so bad, regardless of the resist.
We missed some strong candidates, pivoting moves like volt switch and u-turn, and detect as it is basically protect.
Man, that Magikarp's nickname at 0:18 made me do a double take.
Gotta say clangorous soul on most dragon types would be a war crime cough cough Koridon
He Would Never Get That . 😂
10:07 I know gigaton hammer has a really big number with basicaly no drawback, but i think double iron bash is the best steel move, 30% to flinch and you hit twice with 2 60 bp moves. Double iron bash is a 120 base power move, that ignores focus sash and substitute that has a 50% chance to flinch you, has no drawback and it is even a punch move so it gets boosted by iron fist and punching globe
1:46 thats why I love you man
Protect is also the single reason why VGC is able to work as it does, without it the game would just be a hyper aggressive speedrun with little to no strategy or skill expression.
4:11 "Iron Fumble" followed by Tetsutetsu the Bronzong KILLED ME
We should make a format called “Moveset Inversion” that gives stronger mons weak moves and weaker mons shit like v create and gigaton hammer. Finally, Weedle and Mega Rayquaza can be on the same tier
I'm sorry but there's no way Worse-Smeargle-Weedle is anywhere near as strong as Choice Band Poison Sting Mega Rayquaza
Let him cook!
Stadium Rental format
Because in Pokemon Stadium, strong rental pokemon have weak moves and weak rental Pokemon has strong moves
Are we sure Wicked Blow is better than Taunt? I love shutting down nonsense with Taunt
And knock no mention
It Is , Wicked Blow Is Goated !
Mighty Cleave could contend for rock, slightly weaker than edge in exchange for perfect accuracy and the ability to ignore protect
Rock Ivy Cudgel Is Better . 😂
@melvondrewhite2674
You'd personally rather have 5 more BP and the increased crit chance than to guarantee going through Protect?
@@melvondrewhite2674 ..which cannot realistically be on the list because it requires the user to hold the cornerstone mask
@@JackLeighton-uh6sl It Can Be On The List , Rock Ivy Cudgel Is Better .
Flip Turn, U-Turn, Volt Switch, Knock Off, Spikey Shield and Detect are all honerable mentions
Kinda surprised Double Iron Bash wasnt at least mentioned. Effectively 120 BP, can ohko through Sash, 51% Flinch Rate. Slightly weaker that Gigaton Hammer but it can be used every turn and has multiple bonus effects. Its like Steel-type close combat but instead of 2 stat drops you can two bonus effects.
probably only using gen 9 moves
1:13 i see Guacamole Gamer Fart 9000, so now i have another channel on the list of channels thati can connect to Therussianbadger
2:30 kid named spiky shield:
Really think the best dark move would be knock off but wicked blow is really strong as well.
If this was for singles yea knock would probably be a top 5 move of any type
@@B0nsai_444Why singles and not doubles?
@skeetermania3202 usually a lot more switching in singles so knock off is giving you better long term effects whereas in doubles the games are generally shorter and making the move immune to intimidate is insanely good for a physical move.
If it was pre gen 7, I’m pretty sure the answer would be dark void
Nah , Wicked Blow Is One-Shotting Anything Weak To It & Two-Shotting Anything Neutral .
For pollen puff, don't forget, literally a bunch of Calyrex Shadow like to run it to hit dark types and the normal/psychic squad you can't hit with Astral barrage and the damage it does is surprising alongside obviously healing sometimes
I love the concept of other Pokémon learning dragon darts, because it implies that Garchomp is like, carrying some dreepy around in its pockets or something.
Id like to suggest a video idea, how would give the rest of the Pokémon types a secondary trait, some types have additional traits associated to them other then just the standard type chart but if you were to give every type an additional bonus what would it be, alternatively rank all the current benifits from most useful to least. the ones we already have are:
Grass: immune to powder moves
Fire: immune to burn
Electric: immune to paralysis
Poison: immune to poison and clears toxic spikes if grounded
Ice: immune to freeze and 50% def buff in snow
Rock: 50% spdef buff in sand
Dark: immune to moves given priority through prankster
Ghost: cant be trapped by arena trap or shadow tag
I'd like it if they gave one to Psychic. Those that make more sense tho I think are immunity to confusion (too weak) or immunity to flinching (too busted).
@@ParkyMarz i feel like immunity to flinch should go to fighting type since they are valiant pokemon (we are not gonna talk about how busted it would be lmao)
Ground and Steel are also immune to sandstorm damage, and Steel types can’t be poisoned. Also, ghost types are immune to ALL forms of trapping, not just trapping abilities.
Something worth noting about sacred sword is that it also ignores defense drops. Painfully consistent
I find it reeeeally hard to believe that v create isn't even worth a mention for fire. With 80 base power more trading for the burn chance and even with the drop to defenses. In a longer engagement being able to click sacred wins out but the ability to juke something out of existence in one turn is worth a lot.
In VGC, having to switch is a much bigger commitment, and it only doing single-target damage, it can be foiled by Protect.
Plus you forgot to mention that it also lowers your Speed.
A reason he didnt mention might be that it is that while it is technically a move coded into gen 9, no pokemon can actually learn the move so it is unplayable without hacking it in.
I’m gonna unleash my poke juice on you
Nah, best Normal move is Sketch
it would be useless, since in the context of this video every pokemon already learns every move
Nobody is clicking sketch at a vgc match ever
Sketch Protect
@natecgames4612 Wait, hold up, your cooking
@le_m4cho965 Yeah, I read the title and figured it would have been what would every Pokémon would want to learn.
Mighty cleave for rock is maybe better, cause you can turn every pokemon into Urshifu.
Ye man
I will say, surprised that none of the pivot moves got a mention. Volt Switch, U-turn, and Flip Turn, while probably not the best moves of their types, are definitely incredibly powerful tools to have.
Calling protect the best move in the game when there’s objectively better versions of it was certainly a take.
Beat move of every type for smogon singles (no sig moves)
Normal: Rapid spin / boomburst /e speed
Fighting: close combat
Flying: brave bird
Poison: toxic spike ?
Ground: earthquake / spike
Rock: Stealth rock
Bug: u turn / web / quiver dance
Ghost: shadow ball
Steel: idk
Fire: Sacred fire
Water: Scald
Grass: spore
Electric: volt switch
Psychic: trick room?
Ice: freeze dry
Dark: knock off
Fairy: Moonblast
Dragon: dragon dance
Poison should be toxic imo, steel could be shift gear or bullet punch
Steel could be Iron Head due to 30% flinch rate.
@@kailesperance1922 yea seems fair
Only thing I could argue with is triple arrow for fighting, 50%def drop? allows a partner to kill instantly, 30% flinch? Forces opponent to play the game of focus miss, I'd say it it contends with sacred sword, sure you miss the perfect accuracy and indifference to stat changes, but it's still a solid move
Honestly i would say sketch is prolly the best normal move just because if every normal tyoe could learn it thats BROKEN. And also pollen puff over uturn? Hell i would say its not really that close either. To be able to hit a quick move and swirch into a prediction is prolly one of the best feelings😂
Nobody is clicking sketch at a vgc match ever
6:08 Wolfe screaming in agony rn
GIVE DIAMOND STORM TO CARBINK!!! PLEASE!!! MY BOI NEEDS IT!!!
Carbink? More like *CRACKEDbink*
4:57 the nerve to pick these two and not mention torch song. Absolutely wild. Amazing video btw
Hyperspace fury breaks through protect, is stonger than knock off and can never miss, so i think it should have at least been metioned
It can only be used by hoppa. Its a true signature move, as when any other pokemon tries to use it the game just says no and the move does nothing.
@@Nmoment-uv6jcbut for the purposes of this video, exclusivity isn't a problem
@@fe_three_rosses you dont get it. Even if any pokemon could get it, it is a characteristic of the move for it to have no effect when any pokemon but hoopa uses it.
If you hack a pikachu with hyperspace fury into a game and you use it, the move does nothing. You can hack a pikachu with judgement and it will work properly, but hyper.fury will do nothing.
Its a characteristic of the move, to do nothing when not used by hoopa. Changing that would be a mod, a romhack as you would be modyfying the code of the game.
@@Nmoment-uv6jcAnd Knock-Off Is Only 65 Base Power . Darkiest Lariat Is Better Overall !
1:47 "Bear in mind"
Aight take my like to the video, Moxie.
Isn't Steam Eruption just better Scald? It has 110 Base Power and the same secondary effect with just 5% lower accuracy. And despite being a signature move, you said you weren't taking into account which Pokémon learn them.
This feels like an exception to that, as only one pokemon gets it, and it's a mythical at that
@@abrawolfHe talked about Diamond Storm in the same video, so I think it was just a case of him forgetting that Volcanion exists, as he didn't even mention that it could learn Scald as well
Moxie most likely forgot about the move as he replied to a similar comment with "Shucks."
He also talked about geomancy so
Don't mind me, I'm a singles player screaming for Stealth Rocks
2:30 honestly, even in singles it's the best normal move
I'd argue shed tail or substitute
Nah its splash
Not in Gen 9. Can count the number of protects in OU I’ve seen on one hand the entire generation.
@ i didn’t mean in gen 9 specifically, I meant historically across every generation
Yall are forgetting, it’s recover/soft boiled by far
6:09
Glad to see that the Lunar Moose Program is finally able to start.
11:57 I know this is a doubles-focused video, but as a singles-only player that only has a surface level understanding of the VGC metagame, hearing any move other than U-turn threw me for a loop. Much less a move I've never heard of before.
And Stealth Rock for Rock type
This changes only a bit but glacial lance got nerfed in gen 9 to have 120 instead of 130, idk what would come close to it regardless though 15:27
15:00 i want to say knock off
I agree
Tbf, Knock Off is definitely more accesible, but it’s not the most actual OHKO move out there and it’s max power isn’t comparable to Wicked Blow
More utility, less sheer damage
Iron Fumble. I'm naming the Iron Bundle I got traded that now. God tier nickname
Maybe I'm wrong but the vibes I get from you are of someone who feels dirty doing a lot of the youtube algo shit like asking for likes and the subscribers vs actual viewers thing but do it anyway because it works and getting paid to talk about Pokemon is a pretty sweet job (from the outside anyway). And honestly if I'm right I respect that a lot lol, so many of youtubers sound so phony at best. At worse you get youtubers who sound like they're trying to guilt trip their audience which I imagine is particularly effective with younger viewers which Pokemon would obviously have a lot of. The honesty you give off is refreshing.
I don't know what spurred me to write this (probably that 'tism dawg in me) but keep up the good work.
I think collision course might be the best fighting type move. 100/100 with a secondary effect to nuke out incineroar is amazing. So many physical attackers that aren’t even fighting types could run as really strong coverage to beat the many fighting weak mons that exist.
Sacred sword is really consistent but having that extra 10 base power will probably matter more than defence boosts or evasion Strats especially since the 2 main defence boosting mons, zamzenta and stamina archaludon will take 33% more from Collision course.
I would have personally said Dark Void for dark, because there’s nothing balanced about putting two pokemon to sleep. When it comes to nightmares, Smeargle’s pretty prominent in mine 😆
For Rock, what about Wide Guard? Anything that makes Calyrex sad is worth a mention to me!
For Psychic, Photon Geyser is BUSTED. It can use either attack or special attack and ignores abilities!
For Poison, Malignant Chain is 100 power and 100 accuracy and has a 50/50 chance to apply toxic poison. I would still have said Dire Claw though 🤷♂️
They nerfed Dark Void, so I don't think it counts as the best anymore.
@@FalseHeraldIt’s still a 50/50 on both pokemon!
@@Cosmic0508_SCits way too unreliable m8. No one would use it on smeargle if it could still learn it over spore.
@@KanderUdon Agreed - but I still think it’s the best Dark move
@@Cosmic0508_SC the best dark move is taunt
Me when Quiver Dance doesn't make the list:
I really thought Dragon Dance will be the Dragon move of choice due to how high you can stack the buff it provides.
The bug type is the worst type in the game, but they have some of these best moves in the game. Pollen puff, sticky web, tail glow, silk trap, first impression, u-turn, leech life (this one is debatable, but I felt like including it anyway), and quiver dance are among some of the best moves a polemon could learn.
I can’t believe tackle was the best normal move, I didn’t know how much utility it had!
I do like how you make a quick mention of some of the best moves when it comes to pure power before explaining why a move with lower or no damage is better
Considering moves like Sacred Sword are considered the best for their type because of power and consistency does make me want there to be more wide spread minimum 90 power 100 accuracy moves with no drawbacks
I think every type should get two 90 BP 100% accuracy moves, one physical and one special... Why does shadow ball have to be weaker? Why does high horsepower have to miss?
I'm still wondering why they made *Dragon Ascent,* a move in a game series where the *Dragon type* attacks have *Dragon* in the name...Flying type.
Damage fairies
@@DrakoNotDracoWhich Was Stupid , They Were Literally Just Kissing Rayquaza’s A$$ . 😂
I love that Trick Room is one of a set of “room” moves but the rest are just miles worse lol
"What do you mean landorus is paralyzed!? " I felt that frustration in my soul, Marcos. 😂😂😂
4:19 Don't forget how they had the Iron Plate balls to remove your own moves... that already existed x_x
Power herb, recycle, geomancy
2:49
Urshifu would love to have an UNSEEN word with you. She definitely won’t punch you multiple times
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I mean, aren't Spiky Shield, Baneful Bunker, King's Shield, Burning Bulwark, Obstruct and Silk Trap just better versions of protect? If any pokemon could use them, they would be absolutely broken.
Some don't work on status like protect, and they require physical contact which is not every physical attack, and like 2 special attacks ti trigger where Protect and to a lesser extend Detect just say nope under 99.9 cases
Okay: but counterpoint on Water/Fire/Electric/Ice moves:
Partner Pikachu and Partner Eevees special moves are downright broken.
Splishy Splash (water) is a 90 power Scald that has a 30% chance to paralyze instead of burn.
Buzzy Buzz (electric) is a 90 power Nuzzle with a guaranteed paralysis.
Sizzly Slide (fire) is a 90 power guaranteed burn
And Freezy Frost (ice) is a 90 power attack with a haze stapled on.
Oh, and all of these special moves are 100% accurate.
I don't think the others hang compared to your list, TBH.
Dark and Psychic setting up screens or reflect are not better than Trick Room or Wicked Blow. Grass setting leech seed is not better than Spore. Fairy being a cure-bell isn't better than Geomancy. Flying isn't better than Dragon Ascent. And Normal is just.. Return. Which is not better than Protect
Mighty Cleave is one of the most slept on moves tbh. Perfectly accurate physical rock-type move that breaks through Protect with full damage
so excited for all the protect variants to be best of their type lol
>calls spiky shield the best move in the game
>spore is the best grass move in the game
>??
I want to throw Mighty Cleave (Iron Boulder's signature move) into the ring for consideration for the best Rock-type move.
100% accuracy, 95 base power, boosted by Sharpness, and bypasses Protect (and similar moves).
It would literally let every physical Rock-type attacker become Urshifu. I don't think any physical Rock-type attacker wouldn't run this move if they had access to it.
“What about stealth rock” I type and then get immediately told to cope
“Diamond Storm is ok because it was tied to a weak pokemon like Diancie with 100 attack”
Mega Diancie: “how about 160?”
Wicked Blow over Knock Off is kind of crazy imo, any physical mon (and sometimes special mons) will run knock off if given access to it because of how good it is
It’s 65 Base Power . 😂
Bro Even Darkiest Lariat Is Better Than Knock-Off .
@@melvondrewhite2674 65 base power if they aren't holding an item or have an ability/item that otherwise makes it impossible to be removed (sticky hold or megastones for example). It goes up to ~100 base power if they have an item and removes that item from them and I don't think I have to say how much having an item can decide whether or not you win fights.
Sure wicked blow is effectively 150 bp and goes through defense changes but the sheer utility and usefulness of knock off outshadows it imo. I did yap a bit but I stand behind the fact that knock off is the best dark type move.
@@faursh659 Which Is Irrelevant Because It’s Still 65 Base Power Even If You’re Holding An Item . Using Knock-Off Means Nothing On Anything That Isn’t A Ghost Or Psychic-Type . It’s Still Relatively *WEAK* In Comparison ! 💯
@@faursh659 Darkiest Lariat Is Better Cause It’s 85 Base Power & Ignores Stat Changes . Wicked Blow Is The *STRONGEST* Dark Type Move In General . 💯💯
MOM WAKE UP, MOXIE DROPPED A NEW VID
i do think body press is worth considering personally, it’s just an interesting move that gives more utility to defensive mons which is sick
Also p sure knock off > wicked blow, it does almost the same amount of damage due to the 50% boost to the 65 it gets when hitting an item and getting rid of the item is such a ridiculously busted secondary effect
Imagine being able to poison your opponent with Muk-Alola Poison Touch on top of that...
its okay moxie, every poketuber has to do this nowadays, we still love you
One thing I learned from this is that Moxie would get a heart attack when seeing PokeRogue egg moves (Diamond Storm Tyranitar, Dragon Ascent Gyarados)
Kind of surprised switch moves aren't mentioned here. Volt Switch, U Turn, Parting Shot, Chilly Reception. I'm not saying they should all be the best move of their types but just the sheer utility they have is insane. I can't think of any mon that has one of these moves that won't at least consider them sometimes.
Dark void crying in the corner
I feel like Pollen Puff should be made into a whole category of moves called Resonance Moves or something: Psychic Resonance, Aura Resonance, Electromagnetic Resonance, Spirit Resonance, Shadow Resonance, Draco Resonance, Dazzling Resonance, and rename the OG to Pheromone Resonance. It could pretty much be a gimmick available to support mons that aren’t normal, steel, rock, ground, poison, or starter types which don’t have great associations with natural/fictional energy types.
Protect is 100% outclassed by Max Guard
Every regular move is outclassed by its max move. That's why they're max moves.
@@MoxieBoosted I wouldn't say every move is, some excellent moves are probably still better because of their secondary effect. Spore, Scald, Pollen Puff, Diamond Storm, Double Iron Bash, Trick Room, Geomancy, Knock Off, Glacial Lance and Astral Barrage are still arguably better than their max moves, with max ooze and max knuckle not being great either due to low base power. Only Max Quake, Max Flare and Max Airstream would definitely beat out the other moves of their types.
My favorite part about being 19 types of pokemon attacks is the fact that Incineroar counter them all with just his presence and one parting shot 🗿
give carbink geomancy. i will die on this hill
I was gonna comment tailwind would like to have a word when I was halfway through the video, but you mentioned it at the end.
I think tailwind is far more impactful on the game than flying close combat.
The scenarios where you'd want tailwind for speed control on your team is probably far higher than the scenarios where you have a physical flying type on your team that would appreciate the move or even physical attackers using it as a coverage option.
You should make a part 2 that splits the moves in between best offensive, defensive, status, set up and support moves of each type. I think it would be cool to make a team using a full move pool of the best moves for each type.
"If Incineroar got Spore, it would use it."
Please, no. GameFreak keep buffing that cat.
My man forgot about triple arrows for fighting type. 90 power with high crit chance, chance to flinch and chance for defense drop. Kinda great. Using it on my Blaziken on radical red.
7:15 well, yes. May as well count poison and flying too, for bulbasaur and rowlet
Remember when Spiky Shield was the best move in the game, but apparently not the best Grass type move at the same time?
14:07 they been commenting since u put pollen puff over u turn lol
Dire claw being unfortunate doesn’t even begin to describe it
6:40 You would have a 67% chance to wake up turn 3 if you look at each turn individually (which you are doing since you put 100% turn 4). This is a perfect example of the Monty Hall problem.