Marvel Phase 5 Needs Better Than Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
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- Опубликовано: 23 фев 2023
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Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania is the start of the MCU's new Phase 5...and it's not the most promising start. In this video, I break down what I like here and what I don't.
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My expectations were low, but I really enjoyed myself. It was a lot of fun - MODOK was great, Paul Rudd killed it, Michele Pfieffer and Michael Douglas benefited from expanded roles, Jonathan Majors was thrilling. I wonder if you, and several other RUclips critics I like, have fallen into the trap of lionising the early Marvel films in a way that forgets these are fun movies for kids. Marvel's films are a step up from any of the competition in this area - it's a kids movie that's enjoyable for adults too, especially if they're fans of the old comics.
MODOK was hilarious too.
I never care about the Antman movies but Antman and Wasp Crapntumania is a boring, bland and a unfunny movie.
This will be the year for bad super hero movies.
The probability storm scene was really cool, but for a movie taking place in the quantum realm, I expected more quantum weirdness. Also Kang should have won
Do they even bother storyboarding movies anymore? Feels like for the past 13 years, the idea is to film a bunch of stuff, then storyboard from THAT in the editing room.
You know I just realized something. In the trailers it was implied that Scott would be convinced to work for Kang after he offers him the the opportunity to make up for lost time with his daughter, basically he'd be given the same deal Kang offered Janet. Having been incarcerated and then trapped in the Quantum Realm for 5 years he effectively missed her entire childhood and now he's watching her follow in his footsteps, making the same mistakes he did when he was younger. It would be a much better conflict if Scott had to come to terms with the fact that he missed out on her growing up and that he had to accept things as they were despite their relationship not being ideal. Too bad that isn't the movie we got. What a missed opportunity...
I noticed that. I’m surprised many aren’t talking about this.
Yeah I honestly felt mislead by the trailers. The movie from those trailers was way better than the movie we got...
Not the first time that's happened with Marvel. Ultron was a much cooler villain in the trailers than in the actual movie.
@@thomascheckie2394 that’s the problem with misleading trailers, the movie the trailer is for is almost always better then the movie we actually get.
@@TheNiggler17 Lucky me then, who didn't watch the movie and can still enjoy the one I made up in my head from the trailers.
Wouldn't be surprised if that was the "story changes" people were talking about. Recent Marvel movies have this weird feeling I've noticed of feeling chopped up and hastily put back together.
I personally thought the girl who played Cassie in Endgame displayed more emotion, range, and acting potential for the one minute of screen time she has in that compared to Kathryn Newton throughout this entire two-hour movie.
No lies told🤣🤣
The thing is Kathryn Newton can act. Her other performances range from great to okay. I guess all that blue screen environment negatively affected her.
It’s unfortunate because I’ve seen her do a heavy & emotional scene well.
Yeah for real I have no idea why she was recast
@@athenajaxon2397 cuz Kathryn Newton is a bigger name and brought in more value supposedly. But I prefer Emma Fuhrmann and it’s bs she didn’t get notified she was getting recast
I liked her more in like one scene than I did the new girl in this movie, granted the writers made her unlikeable.
I got so excited when I saw him messed up, arm locked against Kang and saying “we just both have to lose”
That was SUCH a great set up for his sacrifice right next. And if he sacrificed himself while Kang survived but injured, that would’ve been a phenomenal ending that woulda almost saved the movie.
Then the wasp showed up and they “killed” him.
Lame.
“But hey, holy sht. They are making both of them stuck in the quantum real as a couple. I’m sure it will lead to a hype comeback with an army -endgame type of stuff “
But then it’s followed by Cassie opening a door super easily.
That was, by far, one of the lamest endings I’ve seen on an MCU movie ever
That’s what I was thinking as I watched it but it then occurred to me that they went in and out of the quantum realm with little effort in the second movie and in Endgame, he even escaped in the first movie, so it wouldn’t make much sense for them to be stuck, as long as one of them gets out, they have the tech to get the others out too.
does disney afraid to make a sad ending like infinity war?
@@byakugan641 Given two of the greatest genre movies ended that way (Infinity War and The Empire Strikes Back) you have to wonder about that decision. Even the feeling of foreboding with Gollum finally deciding to turn against Frodo in The Two Towers also captures that feel.
Ok, now that you put it like that… yeah that ending was pretty lame, but maybe they need the conqueror to be stuck in there with those copies of himself? Idk
Final scene was amazing, final final battle was slightly ‘well ok then’
Every time I think to do better, I imagine Sam Wilson's Captain America flying down and shouting " You need to do better" and flies off immediately.
He said more than that, if you bothered watching the show.
@@ShadowSonic2 you're so right. He needs to do better
@@juancano3793 Not sure if serious...can't tell on the Internet anymore
@Schlock Jocks that's nice to say but you misunderstood what I meant to put as, it was supposed to be a joke.
@@juancano3793 😂😂😂😂😂
Luis not being in the Quantum Realm is a severely missed opportunity.
indeed
Unpopular opinion: He worked really well for me in the first one, over stayed his welcome and wasn't that funny in the sequel
@@SX1995able I mean yeah, you said it that's an unpopular opinion. He absolutely shined in Ant Man and the Wasp
@@shishsquared I feel like outside of the interrogation scene,they made way more intelligent than his iteration in the first one,and I just didn't buy it
Imagine he got sucked in too and his interactions with the natives. That could have beeen hillarious.
Modok was a good chance at a reoccurring antagonist that assists the other antagonists in the future of Marvel but of course they killed him.
To be fair, I think seeing MODOK used as a recurring henchman-style obstacle would get old real quick.
"Oh, MODOK's here now, can't wait to see Captain America spend 3 to 8 minutes dealing with him before the actual film plot continues"
Marvel has the money for the CGI.
Disney doesn't want to though.
You could have also had a double act where MODOK was an over-the top, random and comedic villain and Kang was the serious and calculated straight man.
i mean, it's called the MULTIVERSE saga. no reason there can't be some other version of MODOK that comes in to play
Good riddance! MODOK's face looked awful and stretched out.
I find it odd they had enough time to show Jimmy Woo, Baskin Robbins, and an Old Dude calling Scott "Spider-Man" in the opening montage but just straight up refused to show us Luis (+ friends) and Cassie's Family. Looking ahead in the MCU timeline, I don't see any place where these characters could show up so I guess we'll never know what happened to them during the Snap.
Greg Turkington (Baskin Robins) was a must for reasons much bigger than antman or mcu
@@tonygabagool As a Gregghead his cameo was the only reason why I went to see this film in the cinema. I give Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania (124 minutes) five bags of popcorn and a little ant on top.
@@tappajavittu 😆
@@tonygabagool I'm sure Gregg will be disappointed there's no connection to James Bond Quantum of Solace, why name the movie like that with no Bond connection, baffles me too.
@@tappajavittu also, his character could have cracked the Kang code in like 2 minutes, and saved the day!
I’m still waiting for Luis to recap the whole Thanos situation. I want so badly for his voice and paraphrasing to come out of Thanos and Tony and Thor and everyone, and I’m still so disappointed that he hasn’t been around in so long :/
They actually did that for a promo but it's only for Comic Con and it's non canon. Also, they didn't have other characters speaking out Luis's voice unfortunately, I think.
yep still waiting
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I just want to be excited again for this. I remember when almost every mcu movie felt like an event leading to something bigger, and you couldn’t wait to see the next chapter. I never thought that I’d just not care much anymore due to the writing becoming poor, CGI being bad, weird/bad decisions and terrible characters. To Disney, Marvel is like Star Wars now since Endgame was so huge. Just a name that can make them money, so they make whatever. No need to use big characters to sell movies, That marvel studios logo is the character lol. At one point I thought I was losing interest in cbm’s in general. But really, it’s just the mcu. I’m looking forward to so many more comic book adaptations that aren’t marvel now, and hoping the ones that deserve it get them.
While I agree, did you really feel like Ant Man 1 was setting up Infinity War? Or Dr. Strange when it came out?
@@KennethTakanami I don't think anyone did. The problem here is that Kang is supposed to be a big Avengers-level threat and they establish him as getting his ass kicked by Ant-Man of all people.
MCU has become another cash cow for Disney to milk.
@@KennethTakanami Yes and no. No because not everything was incredibly vital to infinity war, but yes because they weren’t not vital. Plus, if they didn’t get us on board with antman and Strange with their movies, no one would’ve wanted to see them again, or the things set up in that movie for later (quantum realm, multiverse in strange). I’m saying that everything had a place back then. Somewhat self contained or not. It Doesn’t feel that way anymore.
@@NoirNameless it's funny bc in a way that's just exactly what's happening now. we're being introduced to new characters and concepts that may or may not directly tie into something, but will eventually connect in some way. the difference is now we're also getting a lot of that payoff from earlier setups like we actually see the multiverse and the quantum realm instead of them just being hinted at.
I thought it was really fun and epic how Hank has always had this fascination with Ants since the first movie and in this one he had the opportunity to lead an army of giant super tech Ants that saved the day.
Deus Ant Machina!
Yeah that actually felt wholesome, just an old guy with a fascination of ants. Hanks part was my favourite in the movie
@@georgefotisdramesiotis9061 The ants were the only redeeming thing in this movie and the onlybgoodbplot point because it wasn't forced in your face. I'd actually want to watch a movie with an advanced ant race like this one.
@@J4R0D HAHA! Just saw the movie today and that's how that felt.
To me this was also interesting because it potentially sets up Annihulus.
I kind of thought in this film either Antman was going to die fighting Kang or he was going to end up trapping himself and Kang in the Quantum Realm to prevent him escaping. And I figured Cassie and the rest of the crew would pick up the slack for him while he was stuck in the Quantum Realm doing exploration stuff. And maybe every couple of months Luis would get on one of the communication devices and give Antman one of his trademark summing things up recaps of what's going on in MCU or the Antman crew outside.
I think the marketing for 2 of the trailers made Kang seem like a way more lethal character that was going to be a menacing threat to not be messed with. But no, unfortunately. Majors was still good as Kang like you said, would've just liked for him to do more and leave more of an impact. I was hoping Antman would've faced some kind of lasting consequences due to fighting Kang to just show he's a different kind of threat than the past bosses he's faced. (one of the example ideas of consequences I had was either getting killed or really damaged as a result or getting stuck in the Quantum Realm which would keep him more isolated from his kid that he's been trying to connect with.)
I thought it was way too easy for Antman and the Wasp to get out of the Quantum Realm at the end.
Better than Thor Love and Thunder definitely, but definitely not what you would've wanted to start off the next big phase of the MCU. But hopefully Loki season 2 is good.
Reshoots changed the ending and removed the consequences and repercussions.
@@stevealford230 that makes sense. I wonder if there might be anyway to know, what ended up getting scrapped at some point.
also that's really too bad they had to cut stuff. I'd like to know what we missed out on.
@@TwinRiver100 The original ending would have been Hope and Scott being trapped in the Quantum Realm to defeat Kang, destroying the portal and not being able to leave. Cassie and Hank would start sending in new probes to find them, but it will take time and for now they have to remain separated.
@Schlock Jocks ...seriously?
That's pretty much the ending I was looking for. Any sources for saying what forced them to cut that ending?
@@TwinRiver100Some article, I don't have a link. But the test audiences hated it
When Kang had his speech on Scott’s inability to beat him and said “You talk to ants” I was waiting for Douglas to come over the radio and say “No that’s my thing.” And unleash is antmada but it was just a cut to him on the other side of the battlefield.
Kang should’ve had his own movie. I know he’s getting Dynasty but a villain story would be so dope
1 thing I was hoping they would explain that never came up was did Thanos' snap cause half of all life in the Quantum Realm to disappear for 5 years or were they somehow immune from this since they are outside of the rest of the Universe?
In the first Antman they said that the quantum realm is a place where time and space are irrelevant. Maybe that's the reason.
@@Coolcoolcooldude The quantum realm doesn't make sense to me. It's somehow connected to infinite universes yet there are that few people there.
@@A_Random_Ghostmuch like the speed force, just kinda accept that it's weird. I think there are so few because barrier for entry is rough.
@@Awesomoso Kang references there being countless duplicates of the Avengers across the multiverse. Surely there are countless other Antmans and Wasps. Why would it only be this one universe’s Antman and Wasp that enter there if it’s truly open to all universes?
The Russo brothers said Scott wasn’t protected by the quantum realm, he was just lucky. The snap affected every part of the universe.
These films might have been called the Ant and the Wasp, but they have always been the Luis films. Without him, there was nothing left worth of watching.
Thank you. I know I am not the only person who missed Michael Pena's and Judy Greer's characters going into Quantumania. If Maggie was there, she could have been the Uncle-Woman to Scott's Aunt-Man! 😆
This movie is like expecting steak and getting a bag of stale candy
Honestly when they announced Peyton Reed who didn’t see this coming? I was hoping he’d turn a Watts and make an impactful and dramatic wrap up to the franchise, but….
Considering that he directed the previous two quite okay, I gave that a pass. It's more so that they changed the writing team. This time they didn't have Paul Rudd to write the damn script
Reed made a dark and brutal movie... then reshoots changed the ending and removed the consequences and repercussions.
@@Bjork4s
I think Peyton Reed is more comfortable doing more grounded 'Ant-Man' movies like the first two. This time, the stakes are higher, and we have a big foe to deal with, and maybe as a director, Reed probably wasn't as comfortable with this material.
@@stevealford230 source?
@@hyperspace2752 they reshot the ending last month. theres set pics
Just got out of the theater from seeing it and was so hyped to see a capt midnight video waiting for me, thanks cap
Good or bad films to follow, Majors is gonna be very interesting to watch.
He's gonna be Atlas holding the world up if this continues to meander
He Kang definitely deliver
Man, that kind of logic is tiresome, the character had a teaser in Loki yet the supposedly terrifying version got his arse kicked by Ant Man's crew during the debut of Phase 5 without a single hiccup or loss for them, these movies have no respect for your time or even attention.
@@michaelriverside1139 oops! You really believed everything Kang said about his origin? Don't do that. Kang's superpower is fucking with people's expectations.
@@michaelriverside1139 power scaling in the mcu is messed up. The guy who uses the infinity gauntlet as per weights gets worked by ants
@@SkilletTRO Straight-up meta level superpowers right there...
No wonder the MCU is turning into the Happy Meal equivalent of cinema with barely serviceable movies and shoved-in commercials for the next things to come... sometime in the future, like Dr. Strange's Third Eye or Hercules and whoever was with Willow at the end of Eternals.
I really liked the first 2 Ant-Man movies, so I was pretty excited to see this (it's actually the first MCU movie I've seen since No Way Home lol), to say I was dissapointed is an understatement
I'll say ant man and the wasp quantumania is better than ant man 2 imo I genuinely hated ant man 2
Good for you, I watched MoM and Thor 4. Biggest mistake of my life
@@hyperspace2752 MoM is good tho, it was just very rushed but outside of that it was solid imo
@@hyperspace2752 thor 4 was horrible
Now that I saw the Council of Kangs, it makes more sense. It's still wonky, but everybody was complaining why are all the Kangs freaking out? I took it as they were all excited to be there, seemingly the first time they had all been assembled together for one mission. At least, that's how I took it. As I said, I can see why people thought the scene was wonky.
The thing for me is that why should I fear them (the Council) if the guy that was their only menace (Kang the conqueror) was defeated by ants with ease. When the council attacks the earth, just call the army of ants and everything will be ok
@@danieldeleon45 ....You're not wrong.
@@danieldeleon45 The Kang in this movie was the weakest version of him, that's why he was the one defeated and Exiled.
@@ShadowSonic2 this Kang said to Scott that he was the only one that could stop the council, no one could, so no, this Kang wasn't the weakest, he was on pair with the whole council
@@danieldeleon45 If he that powerful, he wouldn't have been beaten and Exiled. He was weaker than them.
The Strongest Kang was the one from Loki, who truly defeated and held back all the others. And he only died because he wanted to.
I feel like they could have A)Have Scott stay behind close the portal and die. At least to show that KANG won’t lose to a single avenger after killing countless of them apparently. B) Had hank stay behind and suit up one last time and sacrifice himself. You get to see the original ant-man in action and it provides at least a major character death to fluff up KANG THE CONQUEROR. C)When Janet says “it’s over” Kang just looks at her and says “Does it matter? I just wanted to see how hard he’d try. Then simply bring Scott back to when he was in prison using his machine that Scott so graciously fixed. And proceed to give Scott exactly what he wants leaving both him and Cassie in those cells ending the movie. They don’t die and they can have a good part in dynasty. I don’t know anything other than Derek and seven ants bullying the destroyer of universes.
This is why they need to hire better writers and take more risks what they did with moon knight and werewolf by night need to be replicated.
Moon Knight was pretty meh, honestly.
Only things I liked were Oscar Isaac and
Ethan Hawke.
Werewolf By Night… man, what a
Wonderful experience
Moon nights first two episodes maybe... But with a lot tighter scripts to conclude and explain all the ideas that were introduced.
They don’t need to hire better writers they need to stop pushing unrealistic deadlines for movies to be releasing. And stop treating their VFX workers like crap.
Moon Knight was completely ruined by the safe space pyramid, let's not use that one as an example.
@@k.a.3247 Yeah Moon Knight was pretty terrible
Honestly, after GOTG Vol 3, I may be checking out of the MCU altogether. They’re just not as good or fun as they used to be. And it just doesn’t feel encouraging to me to go when the only laughs I’m getting are unintentional.
Same, I really wanna see how the GotG saga ends but I'm so done with the rest of the MCU at this point.
I’m so hyped Guardians 3 but that’s it
You’ll be back for secret wars 😂 ppl been saying their done with marvel since phase 2 and 10 years later marvel is still top dog
@@iam_ad629 You mean the movie being written by Michael Waldron ? Yeah, no thanks.
Everyone feels the same. Phase 4 sucked besides no way home every other movie was garbage or lackluster. Werewolf by night Loki and wandavision were also solid. Congrats. Out of like 18 projects you have 1 great film and three solid miniseries/mini featurettes. Phase 5 will have its one or two gems and that’s about it.
The plot armor is what did it for me, literally the entire main cast were never in danger and were in fact invincible to any of the weapons used on them
It's such a shame because Kang's introduction was so good. When he was using the force on Ant man and his daughter he seemed really menacing and like a genuine threat but then they just easily defeat him and his army of useless soldiers at the end of the movie.
No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness were the only things in phase 4 I was interested in. I just don’t care for the MCU anymore and it seems more people are starting to wake up to the mediocrity.
For me it was NWH and Wakanda Forever. But I haven't even seen AntMan 3 yet. I'm in the same boat. I just dont care.
Multiverse Of Madness sucked tho
@@chasehedges6775 eh. It wasn’t terrible, just average. I did enjoy the directing style of that film, and that’s due to Sam Raimi. He’s just a talented director overall.
NWH (and maybe Shang-Chi) was the best part of Phase 4
@@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX*What did he do in m.o.m. that stood out to you? Cause to me if you told me joe blow directed it I’d be like ya that makes sense but seeing that he was behind the camera.. what a let down in terms of nothin new for a concept technically new to what the norm for the mcu is.. talented? Yes Overrated? Definitely n I think that movie hinted @ that*
The best part of Kathryn Newton's casting is that the MCU now has multiple actors who've played Amy in Little Women
Imagine if the entire MCU was as good as Iron Man 1. 🤯
*Winter Soldier
@@aneasteregg8171 yup it's still the best mcu movie till date
Imagine if the entire MCU’s VFX was as good as Iron Man 1 🤯
@@prathapkutty7407 It's up there
@@aneasteregg8171 WS is great. But Iron Man 1 is GOAT. There's a reason why the MCU worked.
Luis going in and being the everyman in the QR sounds amazing dude, just for the recap at the end.
Everything was heading towards INFINITY WAR and ENDGAME
Now the MCU became one big bubble, ready to burst
it’s leading to secret wars?
Y’all are crazy this is clearly leading to something way bigger than those two movies
@@nekelaznup4644 how is it leading to the secret war other than the secret war suddenly happen?
Take out everything you saw in phase 4, and secret war can still happen
@@mccm333we’ve seen a whole lot of nothing so secret wars is gonna feel like an asspull no matter what
Would have been a fun arc for kang to basically force scott into fighting wasp, hank and the others to spice up the story.
*Thats too imaginative for em*
The first Iron Man and Phases 1-3 of the MCU CANNOT BE TOPPED!
Yes they can. Ant-Man 3 was way better than Iron Man 3
@@eamonclark4952👎👎😂😂
@Eamon Clark Wow, I know opinions are subjective and all but... wow.
I believe it can be topped but marvel needs to focus on quality not quantity. I believe that’s their number 1 problem right now
@@eamonclark4952 Was it fuck 😂
MODOK is now officially the most wasted MCU character of all time and you can't change my mind.
Gorr be like
@@archflamingo9156 Gorr actually got 2 or 3 cool scenes and was probably the only redeeming quality of Love and Thunder.
Modok flashed his bare ass at the camera and looked like he was pulled from the CW Flash show
That’s how his character is suppose to be
@Darth Victorus we can go on for hours debating most wasted MCU character
@@Jake_C75 Bruh have you ever even read the comics or watched the animated shows? MODOK is a serious villian and not a comedic punching bag.
Johnathan Majors acting is phenomenal.
He deserves better than this 😊
naah he over-acts
@@chasehedges6775 Corey Stoll deserved better than that.
@@paveantelic7876 I'm glad Marvel Studios doesn't agree.
Cassie in this movie is a little bit of a Mary Sue character. She managed to rally the entire Quantum Realm into fighting against Kang, convinced a villain to turn into a good guy, and learn quantum mechanics in 20 seconds to open the portal back to Scott and hope. Not once did I think there was a sense of danger when everything was going well for the good guys.
I don't think Evangeline was miscast. She bounced off Rudd well enough in past films. She just doesn't ever get enough to do.
She kind of seemed like the muscle. Not there to move the plot. Just there to fight
Nah she just isn't good
Thank you for being honest! It's such a breath of fresh air from all the other channels who are die-hard Marvel apologists. The MCU's luster has faded fast and Disney Marvel needs to do a major overhaul ASAP.
This or the other side of the spectrum that this movie proves that the mcu is "dying" or "dead" when it is unlikely to happen
Nice one! 🤣I haven't seen a single youtuber who supports Marvel right now . However, I can give examples o opposite one like Nerdrotic,ryan
@@nikitasharma7805 lmao seriously, my feed has been drowning in hipster tears since Far From Home.
Can you name some examples, I can use some die-hard Marvel apologists right now. I've seen nothing but extreme negativity for the past two years and it's been depressing af
I actually loved it, but I do also think you brought up some good points here, especially on Luis. Really hope he shows up again soon enough. On the other hand, the mid-credits scene with all the Kangs, I thought that was soooo cool!
Well thanks for your point of view. I really want to thank you, for putting your sponsor at the end of the footage! Thank you so much.
I understand every point you made here but personally I really enjoyed the film. It wasn't amazing, and in a lot of ways disappointing, but I left the theater feeling good about it. While I love Pena's performances in the previous films, I didn't miss him in this one (that said, an after credits scene with him would've been way better than the gathering of the Kangs one we got). I felt that just having the ant-man family for this adventure was perfect but not quite executed as well as it should've. There was a lot of room for them to explore the relationships between Hank and Janet, Hope and Janet, Scott and Cassie, etc. which never happened.
I dunno, I can see why people don't like it but I still feel like it was a fun film despite it's flaws. Maybe my opinion will change on a second viewing.
Same, I didn't miss Pena and didn't miss Scotts extended family and friends. I mean the interest of having Cassie's mother is to have a look at how Scott handled sharing time to see his little daughter. But now, she is older, independant, we don't need to see Cassie's mother and step dad. I liked in the first two movies though.
Overall, while I totally understand the negative critics, it feels to me like people just want everything in the movie, and don't try to understand the intentions of the script...
@@achaoPSG if you can't tell the intentions of the script, then the movie was made poorly. Sometimes the intentions fall flat because it is a bad script.
@@johntuel2375that’s a pretty subjective view to have since everyone interprets things differently.
*Theres was also room for T’Challa n the black panther family to grow more together n what not but they killed off the dad, uncle, mother, cousin, friend n of course T’Challa himself.. so be happy death isn’t a concept with this family..👨🏾🦯*
It's kind of an interesting comparison to think that this movie is starting off the 2nd major arc in the MCU films while we got Captain America for the first one.
What is a little bothersome for me is how low the bar has been set by the media to enable them to declare the movie is a success and box office winner. It took a long weekend for it to make about the same as a few of the previous films did in a regular weekend, and now it's projected to drop 65% percent week 2. I think the fatigue is real.
Just watched it today and I loved it, had a lot of fun. Excited to see more Kang in the future
I really loved the 1st Ant Man, it's my favorite movie of Phase 2. That being said, I kind of wish it had just been a single movie
Wasp did almost nothing
The 3 wombats cut from the film
MODOK getting the Taskmaster treatment
Bill Murray was just there
Kang defeated instead of winning
Not a great start to phase 5
Why did they cut Louis out. He was so fun in antman 1 and 2.
Just saw the movie last weekend, my thoughts are:
- Why is MODOK the only character to get an arc?
- I literally at the end said "Oh right they're a couple?" when Ant-Man and the Wasp kissed.
- I feel like the movie moved at such a breakneck pace that you barely had time to have any character moments or learn anything about the world. Like they heard the criticism that these movies are more like theme park rides than cinema and just decided to run with it.
- Who approved the MODOK design?
- Why would they set up a perfectly fine character arc with Cassie telling Scott he needs to get involved in conflicts because they're the right thing to do, not just because he has a personal stake in them, and then abandon that by having her get captured so that the only reason Scott gets involved is because the stakes got personal?
- Isn't the way Scott escapes from the quantum realm in the first Ant-Man by equipping one of the 'Enlarge' discs to make himself larger again? Implying that you can just escape the quantum realm by getting bigger? But then that never seems to come up as an option here, even when we see that Janet had some of the enlarging discs in the quantum realm while she was trapped there.
- Why does Cassie still get sleepy from growing big during the ending fight scene? Aren't they still subatomic? Or at the very least in a place where normal physics/spacetime doesn't apply?
- Man, given recent events they might be regretting leaning so heavily on Jonathan Majors now (depending on what evidence comes out)
- Seriously, who approved that MODOK design?
i liked the film overall but you definitely make some good points about its shortcomings. 👌
I totally missed that phase four was a phase on its own.
This was supposed to be Kang's "Guardians of the Galaxy." The movie that turned him from a cameo in a TV show/end credits scene into a looming, oncoming and terrible threat to everything, and made us excited for what was to come when he finally got up off his chair in the cosmos.
In that regards, it failed for me completely. Thanos' presence and more-so his sheer will for conquest throughout guardians of the galaxy, while mostly off-screen, was CONSTANTLY felt. Kang? He had a few good scenes, but when he wasn't on-screen, he might as well have not existed. Hell they barely even said his name for the first half of the movie...
I've never been a fan of the Ant-Man movies, glad you're gave an honest review!
I’m probably the only person not impressed with Kang. How can you build up a villain if he’s different with each appearance. That was the worst part of Thanos in Endgame, as he wasn’t the “real” Thanos who won in IW.
Wasp was completely wasted. Hopefully she gets Disney+ love.
I thought antman three was pretty good and my second favorite of the Ant-Man films. I'm out looking for every MCU movie to be an all-time classic. I came I saw I had a really good time and I will watch it again when it releases streaming
I was glad they cleaned out the dead wood characters. The mom and her new husband, the comedy sidekick gang. I never liked any of them or understood why people loved the comedy sidekick characters so much.
U summed up my thoughts exactly
I wonder if Pfeiffer plays finding out about Kang like her finding out about her husband in What Lies Beneath.
no one really celebrates the first brick to be laid in a building, but they marvel (no pun intended) at the building as a whole... Im hoping thats the case here. I would like for the story of the incursions to be done well. I guess we will have to wait and see.
If you're waiting for reviewers to tell you something like that, I'm afraid that'll never happen. I've come to terms with that
I was surprised by the ending, in Loki Jonathan Major's fear and insanity compells you that he is a danger and Janet's scenes with him are of the same element (Michelle Pfeiffer deserves an Oscar for breathing)
I honestly thought that we would see Kang escape and in the mid credit the Council of Kangs being slaughtered bare handed
I was surprised how comedic Kang turnt, his portrayal was so serious and life threatening
I don't speak about Scott's story arc but I would have loved wipe the smile off Ant-Man (not talking about killing him)
The whole movie is Kang being serious and Scott making jokes, fire and ice, opposites
What MCU need right now is to backup the proverbial truck into the Daniels drive way.
They know how to do multiverse stuff.
About the 'volume' - or Virtual Production is what it's called, I recently went on a short course and a few of the guys and gals worked on this film. If you want future movies ruined, do not continue reading...
Basically, it's impossible to recreate the sun in a VP, so you'll notice that every VP scene or setting HAS to be in overcast lighting - or early morning or dusk (like the skyscraper The Batman scenes)
House of the Dragon bridge scenes are also a good example of this - for better or worse.
All of the tattooine mando scenes were filmed outside (where possible)
i feel like this entire movie set up for scott to die, or at least (apparently the original ending), would be MIA from the MCU for an indefinite amount of time. like, come on.
Fits thematically, Cap's line "We don't trade lives" was pretty iconic, so right out of the gate needing to trade lives to defeat 1 of many Kangs would've been nice.
And for Cassie, the entire movie was her getting a crash course on becoming Ant-Man, I thought her being the one to thematically bring Darren back from the dead, and convince him to help defeat Kang was a nice touch, but none of that got expanded on in a meaningful way.
As somebody who usually tries to give the MCU more slack than the rest of the internet, I have to say that I'm genuinely afraid that Disney is going to run this franchise into the ground. They're too damn greedy for their own good. All the problems of the MCU can be traced back to the studio executives rushing things out the door and hammering their CGI workers for the sake of appeasing their do-nothing corporate shareholders. This is what people mean when they say that capitalism is the enemy of art. Anything profitable will inevitable be squeezed dry by craven callous money-grubbing people who never think about the long-term consequences of their demands.
Volumetric stages require immense prep work if you want a good result. Cameras, lenses, and backgrounds must be carefully synced if you want to achieve a result comparable at all to a physical set. Not a great fit for a movie with so many reshoots and rewrites
When I heard you mention halt and catch fire I freaked out😩 man that show is so underrated
Seeing what MCU has become, man I feel so desperate in seeing Edgar Wright's original take for Ant Man. I guarantee it would've been a far better movie than what we got (eventhough I do like the first Ant Man movie)
His take would’ve been something for sure. Kinda hope he directs a Flash movie or something in the future.
I hated that Cassie had to be yet another casual genius in the MCU, creating "a hubble telescope in the basement" when you had an established genius and expert in the field standing RIGHT THERE! (Oh, but he 'helped' lol) Seemed like the story should have focused on Janet but they didn't want the movie led by someone over 60.
Harrison Ford is about as old as the President so I don’t see what’s the issue.
@@elijahgilleanrodriguez9242 Agreed. Although I'm sure they'd have replaced him with Shia Labueif if they thought they could get away with it.
@@gridloCassie didn't make the thing herself, Hank helped her. Or rather, she helped Hank
@@ShadowSonic2 yeah she "read his notes" on quantum physics. But why? Why not just have Hank do it? He's the expert. He's the one obsessed with the Quantum realm. He's the one who spent his life with developing this tech. Suddenly he's assistant to the daughter of a fail burglar?
1. Why would a time traveler bother using lasers to kill someone he could just erase?
2. I wish the missing/recast characters had an in universe explanation related to what it would really be like to fight a time traveler.
3. Kang never demonstrates any real time travel. He’s essentially an easy to beat stock villain.
Time and space dosnt work the same in that realm like it dos out of it. Which is why he couldnt use that power
Wow another hit from our old pal captain midnight
I didn't even realize this was the start of phase 5...
You think this is bad? Wait till you found out that Marvel has assigned the writer of Quantimania to write The Kang Dynasty and the writer of Multiverse of Madness to write Secret Wars. Oh dear, massive red flag 💀
@Julianjulesr1361Infinity War>Dark World
@Julian “Jules” R Endgame has issues but Infinity War was peak MCU, ill have some level of faith for now atleast
@Julian “Jules” R I'd still rather watch Dark World than this garbage. Any day.
Ok but they have alot of time to write the script
rip MCU
Not even joking, if Louis isn’t there, I’m not watching. His recaps are essential to the Ant Man films.
Are you going to make an episode about the future of Rick and Morty now that roiland mucked up?
As a marvel junkie, this
Movie had me falling asleep.
So one of the most capable villans that marvel has goes up against the mighty ant man and wasp, yep think I'll give this one a miss as well
I really enjoyed the first two Ant-Man films and thought that they were all very solid. However, this was the first time I knew going in that there was going to be a HUGE shift in tone that was completely different from the first two films, and it showed, especially with Michael Peña and Scott's other friends being completely absent. It really sucks since they were some of the things that I enjoyed so much about them.
I still had a decent time with this one but I really hope that Guardians Vol. 3 will make up for a weak start to Phase 5 since this just didn't do much for me, other than Jonathan Majors as Kang
Does it say alot about my jet lag attitude towards the MCU, that I haven't seen any of the movies or Disney+ shows, post Avengers Endgame? But, I have only seen Spider-Man: Far From Home (which I never saw until leading into the next) and No Way Home, (a great little epilogue for the MCU and the Raimi era aswell) Black Widow (super disappointing) and just the first three episodes of the Falcon and Winter Soldier (I gave up because I wanted to see other movies and shows)
I had low expectations and I came out enjoying it.
You know, this entire saga could be fixed if in Kang Dynasty there's a plot twist that Love and Thunder, She-hulk, and some other MCU movies from this saga turned out to take place in other universes other than the main universe. It would make those films better and more accessible.
I think this film could have done with a rewrite to involve the side characters (scenes showing them missing Scott and Cassie, trying to get them back would have done it) and set some higher stakes (again more scenes on the surface might have helped us fear Kang getting out) and especially the heist aspect. It could have actually worked if Hank and Janet were left behind as she has all the knowledge of Kang so when Scott and Hope (much earlier in the film than we actually saw) agree to help him steal the thing Janet had hidden away there’s more drama. Similarly we can see the characters left on the surface start to fall out and argue amongst themselves for more drama. Hope could feel more involved especially as she can solve clues Janet may have left behind that Scott alone could not because he doesn’t have that relationship with Janet.
Also not sure how I feel about Scott only helping Kang because he was blackmailed, I think I would have preferred it if he made a genuinely selfish decision (as the trailers gave the impression, that can’t have just been me?) because Kang offered him time with his daughter. While Cassie is helping the rebels he is working to release Kang until he realises his mistake and joins the fight against Kang giving up his selfish desire and just deciding to help these people and accept that he needs to make the most of the time he does have with Cassie and the rest of his family
But what we got was fine too I suppose
What a nice review. It clearly states the problem with Marvel at the moment, too much hype without careful execution, it is like they are trying to increase IP volume to drive new subscribers and compete in library terms with Netflix. I never liked the Antman series, I always thought that I was not the target audience. The movies are more similar to a Sonic movie than to an Avengers movie. However, I have to say that both Sonic movies were a blast of fun and easy going and relaxed my mind, so I think that Antman movies accomplish the same purpose. The issue with Quantumania is that it has an actual plot and villain that are important to the lore and therefore, it needed to be more focused and serious. We as viewers needed to feel the threat of Kang, something that Disney actually failed to do with Thanos and therefore needed to make an unnecessary Thanos-is-important movie called Infinity Wars. I dont know why we needed Scott's daughter in this movie or why we needed Bill Murray. We already had 4 main characters and recognizable actors, and the story already included Pfeiffer meeting Kang. This movie should have focused on Jonathan Majors, where the threat of Kang is so powerful that our 4 heroes decide to sacrifice going back to the world to imprison Kang forever. However, 2 of them needed to scape in order to alert the Avengers that a new enemy was coming. Once again, these marvel movies need more focus and less characters.
I hate how there's a scene when he's trying to talk to his daughter after she'd been arrested an he just gets bullied for it and told he's wrong
He's isn't told off for anything, if you watched the movie.
@ShadowSonic2 I did watch it an what I saw was a father get bullied out of trying ta parent his child
@@Andrew-up3dr He got called out on being mad at her for things he himself did
@ShadowSonic2 yes an he's trying to stop her doing the same dumb shit an he just gets shit for it
@@Andrew-up3dr Things he never admitted were "dumb shit", IE he's a hypocrite.
I just watched it and I gotta say it was pretty decent. Maybe my expectations were just low because of all the reviews but I enjoyed it.
fr i’ll love to see a comedic duo series with paul rudd and michael peña
The problem with this slate of MCU movies is simply they don't feel like they are building up to much. Kang is a decent choice I suppose in terms of a followup to Thanos. But the problem is... that first couple phases of the MCU were building up to the infinity gauntlet story. It was punctuated with Avengers movies which, at the time, was really surprising seeing loads of heroes onscreen at the same time. This set of movies doesn't have the Avengers... and if it did it wouldn't have the version people were excited about. It just feels like one of those periods in comics when not much is going on and there are lots of individual comics telling fun stories but it's not one of those periods where much coherence was found in them.
There's nothing "Wrong" with the MCU. It's a series of movies based on comics. But sometimes, in comics, there isn't much going on and they just don't need to be tied together.
I don’t know what everyone was watching but I thought this was a great start to Phase 5. Kang’s storyline was great and potential impacts on the whole world seem unlimited. I really think they are taking the time to show where everything is going and I think it will be way crazier than Infinity War and Endgame were when every movie comes together. I guess if you really wanted a solid Ant Man centric story I could see the disappointment, but as an MCU movie I thought this was insane. I also thought the CGI was really good, not sure why there was so much hate.
I agree with you on that, I am looking forward to Quantumania to know about Kang, but I wish Quantumania's writers could find a better balance of focus between Kang and the main Ant-Man characters, and did not recast Emma Fuhrmann from Avengers: Endgame, and did not rewrite Cassie Lang's character to fit their message of political activism by making her dislike her dad for...doing seemingly nothing else _after he saved the entire universe from Thanos_ when she used to love her dad in the first two Ant-Man films for showing her how even ex-convicts can turn into superheroes. Scott Lang learning about Hank Pym's broken relationship with Hope Van Dyne and Janet Van Dyne was a cautionary tale to warn him about going down the same wrong path with Cassie Lang and Maggie Lang.
it wasn't
They may be taking thier time but they aren’t building towards anything whatsoever
Kang. RULES. Whatever good this movie has, is entirely to his credit.
I think the one thing this movie finally confirms for me it’s that while Marvel may have a plan, it’s not as fleshed out as they’d like us to believe. This is especially apparent by the always changing cgi, it’s clear that things are changed and swapped around like it’s nothing and that’s something that really bugs me when it comes to filmmaking. When I saw Bill Pope’s name came up in the credits and I was surprised because this did not feel anything close to a veteran who’s shot some of the most amazing films.
the post credit scene felt more like the thor love n thunder post credit scene :/
I'm not gonna lie, I actually quite enjoyed this movie
Do you normally lie about such things?
@@taurusstudios5497 ..what? What are you talking about?
@@k.a.3247 Need a tissue?
Feige could take a steaming shit for 3 hours and MCU fans would praise it
You're lying, Dolores, and one must not tell lies.
This movie really ruined kang for me. He way more intimidating in loki. Here bro was getting smacked around by ants. Is really the big bad of this new saga? And wasn’t this kang also supposed to be the strongest variant? but now he’s dead
He was smacked around because he wasn't at full strength
I LOVED the first one. Enjoyed the second, and need to rewatch the third because I saw it in Italian and didn't fully understand all the lines...
I've been arguing with many online because they don't understand.
I came up with a simple thought experiment to explain our frustration.
Imagine if, instead of Kang, it was Tony Stark... given the time and resources, would Tony have lost to Antman, Wasp, and smart ants.
Obviously not... so why have us believe Kang would.
Kevin Feige needs to pass on the reigns to someone else. the Feige era is over, it time for a new approach
@Julianjulesr1361 It definitely is
Fans enabled a lot of the phase 4 meandering in the face of criticism and this is what they’ve reaped
I’m tapping out of the MCU after GOTG 3, I might watch Deadpool 3 though.
Whilst I still had fun with the film and thought it wasn’t as bad as people made it out to be, I still think it could have been a lot better. Kang losing at the end and the happy ending with Scott hanging out with his family just felt off and unrewarding. Yeah you could have had Kang “lose” but he takes out a main character to set him up as a threat.
I thought parts of the movie had potential, like the initial visuals in the quantum realm were gorgeous. Scott getting stuck in a giant pile of Scotts was something I had hoped they’d do, cuz in real quantum physics you have superposition of states. But when they defeated KANG with a big grey space battle? I was so disappointed. And I even turned to my boyfriend and said “well now they can just use Kang as the villain in every movie and just say it’s a different Kang.” And sure enough, that’s what the end credit scene was.
As far as tone goes, I would honestly say this movie’s done it better than most as far as balancing comedy and drama.
I remember asking in a chat once who is actually excited for Quantumania, it was obviously mocking, but someone actuallly said they were legit excited.
I wonder how they feel about the movie now
I enjoyed this movie. I think Paul Rudd is funny. I enjoyed the interaction between the main cast. The action was fun and visually interesting to watch. Majors gave a great performance and I’m honestly more excited for up coming MCU movies then before I watch Ant Man.