Shazam Fury of the Gods: Are Superhero Movies in Big Trouble?
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Shazam 2 had the lowest opening box office for a DCU movie ever, should Dc and Marvel be worried? In this video, I go over why the DCEU and the MCU might be slowing down, as well as review the Zachary Levi film itself.
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I was one of ten in the theatre. I saw it for free and I want my money back. It was very mediocre
No. I Went to see john wick 4. It was a great movie while shazam 2 is horrible in terms of writing, scrpit and acting.
@@Hallofshame-f7x you just said “no” you didn’t see it. But then say it’s bad? Huh? Did you even see it it? It was a very good movie, the best superhero movie we’ve had since no way home
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My brother and I did. There were six other people there. I don’t regret it. Better than Quantumania.
I think the real definition of "superhero fatigue" is when STUDIOS get tired of even trying to make really good superhero films, finally reaching the point of just phoning it in and trying to finetune the balance between burning cash and printing money.
this.
I'm not getting bored of superhero films. superhero films are just getting boring and similar to each other
Soooo true. When the studios get tired, so will the audience
So pretty much where they’re at right now
I’m getting bored of ppl saying “ppl have superhero fatigue”
Precisely. Superhero fatigue comes from the movies themselves, not the audience.
I wouldn't be surprised if they had originally planned to do Shazam vs Black Adam for the second movie, but they were forced to change their plans due to, let's say, opposition, from someone.
they have to wrestle haha
That someone being probably the Rock
Not paper or scissors.
Does that “opposition” perhaps rhymes with “Wayne the Truck Samson”?
They even had to change the post credit scene. 😅 I mean earlier it was hawkman and cyclone who come to recruit Shazam in JSA but "someone" denied permission and it was changed to Harcourt and John . I mean I don't get it black adam is the arch nemesis of Shazam , he friggin gets his power from saying Shazam yet the DCEU version doesn't wanted to do anything with Shazam 😂. He just wanna fight Superman and change the hierarchy.
It's amazing how all of Ben 10's aliens still all feel like Ben despite having different actors. While Levi and Angel feels like 2 completely different characters.
I mean thats a cartoon where everything is controlled by animators and the other is actually two different people
@Gittana There were _two_ Live action movies.
I think a big problem with some superhero movies is there's too many cooks in the kitchen and then the movie tends to feel more like a movie made by a company and not people trying to create their ideas/vision
Some of these movies feel like they're written by the same AI algorithm.
Watched Shazam 2 and it made very little sense, problem with superhero movies is that they lack a good script with very little of what works actually happening..
Film by committee, like Antman and the wasp Quantumania
@@djmattblack yeah ant man felt like 20 different ideas trying to work together, I guess that's what sets GoG apart since it's written by the director.
On superhero fatigue:
I think audiences have a certain threshold for half-baked/bad films. I think historically bad superhero films have been able to find success because they were surrounded by good superhero films. If 4 in every 5 superhero films I go see are good, I’ll keep going. That bad fifth film can still be fun, and that’s a ratio I’m comfortable with, because I’ll USUALLY have a great time. But recently, the films haven’t been quite as good, which means that ratio is way down, which means going to see every film is less attractive, and they’ll ALL suffer for it
Yes, now that we've seen what _good_ superhero movies can be like, we're less tolerant of mediocre or crap ones, unlike back in the 1990s, before _Iron Man_ and before the Christian Bale _Batman_ trilogy, back when we only had the old Batman movies and the X-Men and the mediocre _Fantastic Four_ movies to chose from (which still somehow were better than the stupid _Fan4stic_ reboot from 2025!)
What if you aren't even remotely interested in super heroes to begin with so you stopped watching new movies in 2007? THAT is super hero fatigue.
I lied. I love Batman. The characters are enthralling. I didn't give up on DC until Dark Night Rises. Awful movie.
We're just fatigued by awful movies.
I don’t think I’m tired of superhero movies. I’m just tired of the superhero movies that were getting.
Same. I don't have "superhero movie" fatigue, personally... I'm looking forward to the next season of _Loki_ and _Moon Knight!_ And I really wish _Thor 4: Love & Thunder_ had been better, instead it was pretty bad. Rhe problem with Thor 4 is, the movie was all over the place in terms of story, characterization and mood: It tried to repeat _Thor: Ragnarok_ but failed. The writers tried to cram too many storylines into one movie, and tried to balance out the two main plot threats which were both quite tragic with comic relief... but the "funny" bits werent funny but cringeworthy. Instead of actually committing to the tragedy of Gor's and Jane's stories, Gor the Godbutcher was hardly in the movie. We didnt really get to see him slaying gods, but instead in the 2nd half of the movie the script writers madehim obsessed with Thor for some reason and turned Gor into a 2-dimensional villain who abducts kids for hare-brained reasons. And his daughter ended up as a huge Mary-Sue character. Worst decision ever. so we have a stereotypical super-cute girl with godlike powers who will be plucky and perfect and we already know nothing bad will ever happen to her (as she already died once), so there's zero tension.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog: Wow! That comment is really long. But yeah, I agree love and thunder was not what I was hoping for. I’ve read Jason Aaron’s run on Thor and I feel that Gorr was wasted in the Mcu.
People want good stories and well made movies.
These studios make shitty stories with shitty CGI and shitty action and when they get shitty box office returns it's all "Oh no superhero fatigue". Man get out of here. It's "Shitty movie fatigue".
Genre isn't as important. Consider Westerns. Some of the best Westerns came after the height of popularity of Westerns.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog How is she a Mary Sue when she does nothing but die and come back to life?
Absolutely right there with you. If more superhero films strived to be as different as The Batman, then I'd be much more excited for announced upcoming entries into the genre!
Totally agree that Asher Angel's greater presence in the first Shazam did a lot to hold that movie together and make it as enjoyable as it was. Not to hate on Levi, but he just does not act like how would expect an older teenager to act. And I also can't help but feel bad for Angel being essentially pushed out of his own movie.
HATE ON LEVI - he's a joke.
Angel who?
This is the very first time I ever heard this criticism
It's usually the other way around
I really liked both movies, but I think the balance with the two actors was skewed on both sides between the two movies. I'll agree, the brief attempt to shove in the "not belonging" message/motif was pretty under-developed in the sequel, and the first had a much better emotional grip. But I also think that Billy was a little too moody in that one. Yeah, he's an orphan bouncing home to home, and this house just feels like any other he'll leave behind, but Billy's character is generally lighthearted, which should have especially been the case after he suddenly became a superhero. He's a dork and doesn't take a lot too seriously. In that regard, I think Levi actually did well with being the adult child, but Angel was on the complete other side of things in the first, being all dejected-sounding. They didn't really feel like the same person.
As someone who’s familiar with Asher Angel’s work prior to Shazam and was excited when he was cast in the first movie, I’m also disappointed to see how little he was in this sequel. He has a great emotional range in his acting and I hope that his next roles give him more to work with.
The first Shazam was a strong antidote to superhero fatigue when it released. It’s sad to see the sequel feed the fatigue.
It's not that I'm sick of superhero movies, I'm sick of how they make them.
I don't need the world to end, I'd prefer a more emotional repercussion that's personal to the character(s)
We need a one off DC Dark or Constantine or a detective comics type story with The Question. Not huge trilogies or overarching expanded universes but just one good movie made with care, at a time.
The same as Horror movies, if its not exorcism its monster/zombie shit... Or action movies with too much random chasing cars, explosions here and there and fight like statue
Building amazing characters for both villain and protagonist, great storyline, intense moments, dialogues etc. No longer important for any movies genre
I think the kids should have lead since they're the actual characters. The adults needed to mimic the kids; have the kids act out the scenes and the adults copy them. I think that's why Mary actually feels like herself because they had her play both roles.
I would argue Meagan Goode did a really good job at emulating the kid actor for Darla. Shes the one who feels most like her child version, Eugene and Pedro arent in the movie enough for me to even comment on them
@@superskittlegaming7689 So we're basically saying Zachary Levi is terrible at playing the actual kid he's supposed to be.
Weirdly, I find Asher Angel's presence much more likeable, watchable and oddly grown up.
@@superskittlegaming7689 that's cus there's a decent enough contrast within their ages to notice that the older actor is actually acting like the younger one in the case of Darla. Levi was acting like a charming energetic 5-12 year old while the younger actor was acting like a slightly moody 17-21 year old.
@@shadow_realm47 Asher Angel was already in his twenties by this point in filming, so the disconnect comes from the fact that too much time has passed and it doesn’t feel as authentic seeing Levi still playing the 13 year old in a man’s body.
Mary was way underutilized in the film, she probably should've gotten a much bigger focus
I think the release timing of Captain Marvel is important. It was released right before Endgame, I’d argue it got an Avengers boost.
The post credit scene in infinity war kinda portrayed her like a massive power house. People who didn't knew the character got interested and with the whole avenger boost it became a hit without being a good movie.
@@MiguelGutierrez-vs9zu It was as good a movie as Thor 1 or Captain America 1.
@@ShadowSonic2 That's nonsense and you know it. It's absolutely nothing like either of those two movies. The acting was mediocre and the script was beyond weak.
@@ShadowSonic2 this is accurate. All three of those movies are just. Okay. Danvers as a character isn't as good as Helmsworth 's Thor. But that was writing as she didn't grow at all.
@@TheCoolCucumber facts.
I feel like Steven Spielberg’s prediction about superhero movies (which is that they’re a trend that will fade out of relevance just like western movies) is starting to come true. Because of Marvel’s recent quantity over quality approach, I’m too burnt out to care about any superhero movies at this point, and if box office numbers are any indication, others are as well. The market is so overcrowded that the fatigue is really starting to sink in.
His not the first person to say that even I know Hollywood is all about trends
20+ years is not a trend. There are plenty of bad non superhero movies that fail. Is that fatigue for that genre?
The fablemans was a box office bust, was that Spielberg fatigue?
I think what's gonna need to happen is something like a couple of avengers level movies failing to cause that to happen. Not because they were bad movies, but because people just aren't going to see them and what's gonna cause that to happen is a long string of meh to mediocre movies, We had one year of kind of flip floppy quality movies, I mean people complain about black adam and shazam two, but they weren't terrible. Same thing with black panther and and Antman 3. I wouldn't call them the best superhero movies, but I wouldn't call them flops either. what we need is a big box office disaster, for studio's to jump ship and I don't see that happening right now. I remember people questioning the quality after phase two and I remember people wondering if fatigue was there with the x=men franchises and the bvs movie. so I dont think were at the fatigue lvl just yet, but the next year or so is going to show us if it really is here.
Lmao two minor superheros getting badly recieved movies that lose money is the mark of the end of superhero films?
Do you even remember the 2000s or 2010s?
All the people here need to think for a second
@@darkmyro I don’t think the companies are ever going to jump ship and stop making these projects. Names like Batman and Avengers are just way too strong IPs to just have them sit in a closet somewhere. If anything, they’d start looking to reboot.
What I hope *doesn’t* happen is after Phase 6 is Marvel just becomes what Star Wars is now and only releases mid-budget TV series.
Nearly 15 years since iron man 1 came out, that's a whole generation growing from teenagers to adults, no one's got time to follow each movie with convoluted universe to keep track of all of it anymore. Which also means they have closed doors for new audience completely since they are not going to watch 25 movies to get some weak reference or cameo. They have milked shared universe for long enough, time for independent good movies (Joker, Batman) to come back.
This, 100%. I hate that I have to watch 6 other movies just to understand the 1 I’m watching.
I agree completely
Standalones for the win!
Not to mention tying it in to a subscription tv service as well.
I still firmly believe we hit peak superhero in 2019 with Endgame. It seems like the genre has started to deflate ever since then, and whatever takes its place will begin to coalesce soon within the next few years.
It should've ended with Infinity War.
end game is not the peak. it is poorly written overrated crap
Not peak as in "the best" by any objective standard, but peak as in the height of the genre's popularity and influence.
@@krioni86sa k lol
I agree, Endgame should’ve been a fantastic way to end the superhero genre but Disney isn’t done, they’re going to milk the genre until no one is left to care.
Hey 15 years is a good amount of time for any genre to dominate the market. The problem is that audiences have no idea on what should replace superheroes as the next big thing.
Consider the richeness of the 80s in so many genres and consider the last decade. No contest its most super hero shit now. I'm definitely burnt out past caring baout superheroes.
Video game adaptations may be up next tbh
With the Mario movie gearing up to be the most successful video game movie and how past movies like the Sonic movies and Detective Pikachu, and even the Last of us show succeeding, I definitely think video game movies have a good chance to be the next big thing
Honestly the next big thing will probably be either video game adaptations or horror. Video game tv shows and movies are starting to become more common and horror has had a resurgence these last few years with most of the recent Blum House films are incredible and even the new scream movies are pretty good.
Speaking of video games and horror movies we are literally getting a Five nights at Freddy’s movie, currently in production.
@@davidpescitelli8004 Maybe, but that will reignite debate over what constitutes a good adaptation. Yeah stuff like Arcane and Castlevania are fun. But TLOU was the first show to properly adapt a game story as the story was, rather than flail about with lore or make it fan-fictiony. So we’ll need to see how Gears of War and God of War turn out.
I remember going to the Thursday midnight showing of the first X-Men movie, wow, a comic book adaptation, although not completely accurate, that took the source material and its fans seriously!
Since then, we’ve had a great run of mostly good movies that followed culminating in End Game.
The pandemic came and forced us indoors for our entertainment. This socially engineered us to focus on streaming programming, and the movie going experience was forever changed from the perspective of the studios.
I think the emergence of ‘darker’ less child friendly versions of superhero shows like Logan, Deadpool, The Boys, The Doom Patrol & Invincible changed the dynamic of what audience expected from their superhero shows.
A segment of the viewing population were no longer satisfied with the “pg-13 family friendly to set up another movie” stuff that was being churned out, which hit its peak with the wave of mostly inconsequential tv programming we saw in 2022. The studios are now forced to not only make their stories more “adult”, while simultaneously walking the family friendly tightrope. Marvel has become too big and slow to course correct.
So I’m not sure that this is “super hero fatigue” as much as it is the movie industry being knocked off it’s game due to the pandemic and finding a fan base with raised & differing expectations 🤷🏻♂️
The rock really just couldn’t bare to let Black Adam go up against Shazam .
Or, more accurately, his ego wouldn't allow him to play second fiddle.
@@somerandolad I kinda think Black Adam would cream everyone in shazam.
It is like not wanting lex luthor to face Superman. It is stupid. Johnson wanted to portray a black superman before race swaps were common in the industry.
The Rock wanted to be Black Adam but he didn't want to be associated with Shazam. He just wanted to beat Superman and stroke his ego and make himself the top dog of the DCEU. It's a very self-serving project..
The old adage of "the bigger they are, the harder they fall" is starting to become more applicable movie by movie. There's too many shows and movies to keep up with, and it's too expensive for a lot of families to go out to the theater. Blockbusters used to be special occasion movies (at least in my family), and they're not really all that special anymore. I can't even tell some of them apart anymore, it all just blurs together in a cgi haze.
It's because these studios took their audiences for granted and thought we would go see any superhero film and wouldn't notice the decline in quality.
DC has had 15 years to get some semblance of a cohesive, MCU-like franchise established, so if they couldn't manage it by now, they probably won't.
agreed, its why i thought james gunn would really fix it but after his "soft reboot" yeah its more of the same shit
James gunn hasn’t had a chance to do anything substantial yet, he didn’t really have anything to do with this movie. His plan is yet to unfold
@@BillyShears230 I don’t have faith in it lol
James Gunn didn't make top tier CBMs for me to not have any faith for his DCU. I have faith it'll be better than the DCEU(Not really a high bar but It's good enough for me lmao)
@@OfficialEdwardNewgate The work he has done for DC has been pretty good, like The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker.
It was adequate, which really is a step back considering how good the first movie really was. A combination of the Rock's ego not allowing Black Adam to be the bad guy, the pandemic screwing up the movie's release, a general animosity towards Gunn's revamping of the DC movie slate, and Zach Levi's comments resurfacing all playing varying roles in bring down Fury of the Gods.
Black Adam really did a lot to damage Dwayne's reputation didn't it
I also think Levi being himself was a major contributor for lower than projected numbers. At the end of the day, people choose where they spend their money ya know
The cinematography was really admirable at times in this movie
Overall, I enjoyed Shazam 2. It was miles beyond Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, but that's a low bar. Shazam 2 was a fun romp, and it pretty much delivered what I expected it to deliver.
You didn’t mention it in the video much, but I do think the awful marketing played a big role as to why the movie failed. It didn’t touch on Billy’s character arc at all and made it seem like a quip-fest rather than the more earnest movie we got. Even the trailer’s worst line wasn’t even in the final product. Not to mention the lack of tie-in products and all.
It’s ironic, since WB is prioritizing The Flash, which looks atrocious to me. Probably the only superhero movie I’m avoiding entirely.
The Flash will flop hard lol
@@Dave102693 I'm hoping it does
And part of me can't believe I just said that since I'm a huge dc fan.
@@whysoserious4274 Funny enough, I wish the Flash movie was given to Zack Snyder, after seeing the JL SnyderCut. The Flashpoint animated flick was super dark, gory and gritty, and reminded me a lot of Snyder's style. I thought Ezra Miller's Flash felt fine in that environment. I wouldn't have minded it being another Justice League movie used the reset the universe for James Gunn, and a way for us to say farewell to those actors.
3 of the 4 most recent superhero’s have been underwhelming but I feel like both studios(marvel and dc) are changing the way they do business to help combat this.
I agree I especially feel like DC is making the most changes in how they want to change up the way their movies are produced with them each being different films rather than having the same vibe like marvel enjoys to do
Which of these 4 you're talking about is good?
Thor 4...
Dr Strange 2...
Black Adam...
Black Panther 2...
Edit: Morbius is not factored in here, it stopped hunger in southeast Asia
@@greenkoopa Black Panther 2? Sorry for the lack of taste bruh, get well soon
@@Fantallana rip Chadwick but that movie was overstuffed and boring. My individual tastes aren't even a factor here but I do mirror that sentiment. You should play a Mario game to relieve stress, you don't know how to talk to strangers
@@greenkoopa ithink BP 2 was good and if u took the overstuffing (like Ironheart) it can be really good to great. All the mourning and trauma parts of the movie were reslly good imo
It’s not super hero movie fatigue its bad superhero movie fatigue. If we consistently got good products no one would care. That’s the problem we don’t consistently get good products we’ve been getting consistently mediocre ones recently. I think with Marvel specifically they need to take more risks like what DC is doing. I just really want Marvel to do more Elseworlds projects so they can allow for darker stories.
My favorite super hero movie scene by far is when he finds his mom, she tells her story to him and he has to decide to become a hero and jumps off the roof into his transformation and ugh it’s amazing. This movie though I’m sure just doesn’t have it.
I feel as though superheroes will be considered mainly a trend of the 2010s. Right now, it’s the early ‘20s, and I think this is the “still going but in clear decline” period. It’ll be like any other trend. It’s not going away instantly, nothing ever does. But it’s going away gradually, so gradually we aren’t even noticing it. It might not look like it now, but my guess is that by around 2027 we’ll be saying “Superheroes? Those are a thing of the past. No one’s cared since like, 2023.”.
I think there are a couple of things going on here. Shazam and Black Adam don't seem like any kind of apocalypse for the eyes. It seems we're judging the success of the movie based on how many people went to the theater to see it. I liked the first Shazam but it definitely looks like a movie for which one would be fully content to wait for the streaming version. This perception was confirmed and compounded for me knowing the whole universe is getting a reset on top of Shazam being pretty minor to begin with.
personally i do think were going through a super hero fatigue phase. I think we need a few years after endgame to refresh and then the general super hero box office will go up. I do think for amazing movies people will show up, and i think that most of the recent movies havent been that great, but maybe when the new dc universe starts, with better writing (hopefully) and more care, people will show up again. weve had hero movies since the 60s and people still showed up for iron man 1. super hero movies will never die because super heroes are so ingrained in our culture.
Marvel should have stayed put and waited a couple of years before going back to teathers but no, they starting making more movies than ever and each one worse than the last, even the CGI is bad now due to that
@@fabvz5436 i just dont get how executives are so extremely out of touch, yet so confident they know what people want.
Not really, they are all pretty bad. Marvels series imo are ALOT better.
I THOUGHT MOON KNIGHT WAS PRETTY GOOD. IT COULD HAVE BEEN SOOO MUCH BETTER ALSO.
But ive been done with all super hero movies. I look forward to DEADPOOL but wont go to the theater to see it, ill watch Guardians 3 but dont care either way. I tried watching BLACK ATOM, ADAM, i couldn't get past the first 20 mins. I watched Venom as background noise. They are all just bad.
I did like PEACEMAKER oddly enough. But like i said, super hero series are much better.
@@vperkv6554 super heroes shouldve always been serialized it best fit the comic book style imo
@@fabvz5436”each one is worse than the last” I’m sorry but Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3, Thor 2, Ant Man 1, Doctor Strange 1, and the Incredible Hulk are all embarrassing compared to Wakanda Forever, Moon Knight, Ms Marvel, WandaVision, and No Way Home.
I am one of the few people who liked Shazam! Fury or the gods it was tons of fun.
I feel so bad for DC at this point. They just can't catch a break.
MCU isn’t doing so well either
And whose fault is that?
Don't feel bad. It's all on them after so many mistakes and missteps.
Who cares. Theyre both major mainstream studios which have no respect for the source material.
Because it honestly looks like they don't try at all?
Thee only thing I actually like from DC was oddly enough PEACEMAKER. I didn't even want to watch it but i did and was really surprised at how good it was.
I think whether superhero fatigue has set in will depend on how Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3, Spider-Verse 2, & The Flash will perform. Until then, it’s only speculation.
i think the problem isn’t really superhero fatigue but more of superhero over-saturation. i remember when Batman v. Superman came out, everyone and their freaking mother came to see it and hyped it. granted, it wasn’t very good but it was the event of the year. everyone was talking about it. and it was the same for movies like the Avengers and Age of Ultron. audiences still want superheroes, proven by the extreme love for The Batman, studios are just overbloating the over market so much that everyone just collectively goes “i’ll just watch it when it comes out on *insert streaming service here*” superhero movies are no longer an event coming out once or twice a year, now it’s “we can go see this or another marvel movie”
Oversaturation combined with the movies just not being very good. My boyfriend and I used to go to the theater to see every MCU movie and most of the DC ones, often on opening weekend. We still went to NWH, but caught Multiverse of Madness, Thor 4, and BP2 in the discount theaters months later. We have no plans at all to see Quantamania or Shazam 2 (even though we went to an early screen of Shazam 1 and both enjoyed it a lot). My bf probably will never watch Eternals, and I saw it on Disney+ while quarantining and bored out of my mind.
@@StarryEyed0590 Oh my that Eternals movie was the most boring Mcu film I've ever seen. I felt nothing for those characters.
@Cool Cucumber
i get what you’re saying but it’s very clear that audiences aren’t tired of them in full. audiences are tired of superhero movies being popped out every other minute. like how i said with the success of The Batman. clearly people still love superheroes, but people are tired of superheroes being used for a simple cash grab.
I saw Shazam 2 yesterday and I enjoyed it pretty much. Not better than the 1st movie but a good time indeed. It definitely suffers from not giving more time to Asher Angel and the other kids, that was probably the best thing of the 1st movie.
God forbid studios make original IP
I'm not worried yet. I say this as a weekly comic reader that loves hero movies, if you make a really good one people will watch. If this keeps up I will start to worry, but that's only because studios are doing it to themselves.
No disrespect to those who liked the movies or shows I'm referencing, but Shazam 2, most of the MCU's output recently, they just haven't looked good and I've skipped them because of that. I've gone to see what looks good. Tough to justify the cost for a movie ticket (when I go with my girlfriend it's almost $30 before popcorn) when they'll hit one of the many streaming services you're also forking out money for in like 8 weeks.
Given the current state of things, a day out to the movies is too much money for "meh."
My biggest problem with the MCU movies now is that they've lost their individuality the characters all look the same and they pretty much are all written the it makes me look back at phase 1 with so much fondness because I've really grown to appreciate how Jon favreaus Iron Man, Louis leteriers incredible hulk, Kenneth branaghs Thor and Joe Johnstons captain America were all different types of films that did different things sure they were origin movied but they did a great job of making the audience know how these characters are so unique from one another I don't feel that fully with phase 4 I mean I loved Wandavision, Loki, Moon Knight, Spider-Man no way home, doctor strange 2, wakanda forever and even love and thunder was pretty fun for me but I didn't like Hawkeye or what if I hope Marvel studios goes back to just making movies only
Exactly why CM suggested Kevin Feige needs to step down. He ultimately signs off on the decision making, and the movies have become very formulaic.
I'm pretty sure that when GotG vol 3 becomes a huge success people will be acting like super hero fatigue never existed.
Same. Except for the anti-woke losers. They’re already mad about how nebula looks on a poster. Will probably say that Disney bought their own tickets, lol
Sure there will be some success here and there but, it reached its peak.
The main problem with these movies now is trying to build to some big crossover payoff movie instead of just focusing on a single film.
I couldn't agree more, the most jaring part of the first film was how different Shazam and young Billy were.
It was like Levi was playing what he thought a kid would act like.
It didn't feel like there was any effort to match up the performances.
Unfortunately the trailer for Fury of the god looks much the same.
Some of them are, john wick is basically a super hero.
Since Black Adam's failure made warnor bros give the keys completely to James Gunn to axe Synderverse:
Black Adam turned out to be the greatest enemy for Shazam out of the universe, since we know Synderverse is axed, now who is going to be excited for Shazam and Aquaman which has connection to Synderverse?
It's certain all Synderverse connection will be axed after flashpoint by James Gunn
Gunn was hired before Black Adam was even released.
They have to have something to keep people invested in their movies/storyline. Not just adding another character.
Calling Black Adam a B or C list character is generous
Well, Captain Marvel cleared $1B because it was the last movie before Endgame and it was market ed as a “need to watch”m before Endgame” film. This becomes more apparent when you realize how lukewarm people felt about it
Although I agree that shazam 2 wasn’t anything great, I actually enjoy the movie and thought it was fun. I feel like everyone wants super deep/ super serious movies with a bunch of heavy themes and thought provoking messages. But superhero comics aren’t always like that, they can be really goofy and silly as well. Like a bunch of the Superman and Batman comics back then just had them in a lot of silly situations and bizarre interactions.
I think the reason this is happening is that people went to see these B list hero movies because they wanted to know how it would fit into the larger MCU and affect the universe. Since endgame, even with a Kang (RIP) cameo here or there, they all seem so disconnected
Also, they had a tendency to have this charming vibe to them, which they generally don't anymore
@@deprimada3560 True. Like Guardians for instance, I remember the hype was mostly because people thought we would see more Thanos after the Avengers cameo, and they went, and even though he was only mentioned, it was a good movie and people still went. The movies are no longer objectively good and dont have the draw to get people in seats initially to generate hype
The real issue is not the box office or the fans; its the Studios, or rather the Studio Execs whose sole definition of 'success' is how high the box office take is.
Dr. Strange In the Multiverse of Madness hardly 'underperformed' as it brought in $800 Million +. The Eternals may seem to be poorly received, but even its 1970s comic was considered a cult fave at best, even with Jack Kirby's art.
Black Widow wasn't as successful due more to Disney's meddling at decision to release it both in theaters and on Disney+ simultaneously.
And Ant-Man & the Wasp is certainly far more successful than SHAZAM Fury of the Gods. There's no denying that.
Even Bryan Singer's Superman Returns made more at the box office than Snyder's vaunted Man of Steel ($700 milliion compared to $660 million). And at MoS' release, DC thought it would beat Iron Man 3, and it decisively didn't at $1.25 Billion compared to $660 million.
Not every superhero film will join the Billion dollar movies club, and the sooner the studio suits realize that the better.
Storytelling & characters to invest in will always win , make it compelling & the audience will show up
The "superhero fatigue" thing is kinda funny to me. I personally enjoyed loved even a lot of phase 4 of marvel, DC obviously had the batman and James Gunn's suicide squad. But honestly that is me cherry picking. I don't think superhero movies will straight up die out because of recent box office numbers.
Guardians 3 at least for me looks to genuinely be great. And who knows maybe since a lot of projects have been pushed back the quality will skyrocket again.
as others have pointed out 15 years is a long time.
That's already spell trouble for DC comics when it's talking about Universe franchise and getting worse and worse.
Putting Morbius and Shazam 2 in the same sentence just makes me SAD. Loved Shazam.
I did not even know this movie was announced, let alone release. That is kinda wild to me.
The character might actually feel less cartoony if they let Asher Angel play both roles like Mary
@@TheCoolCucumber it would never happen, but just saying
I’m not tired of superhero movies/shows I’m just tired of bad VFX work.
Do a video on Creed 3 vs In Full Bloom. Some weird stuff going on there
I love that you and Nando both released very similar videos today
Shazam 2 was actually pretty good...It's sad to see it not doing better.
Cuz nobody cares about him
@@ninjanibba4259 still a good movie regardless.
@@josephwilliams8001 doesn't matter
@@ninjanibba4259 yea it actually does....Good movies always matter.
@@josephwilliams8001 not when people don't care, if the movie was good, people would care
They don't, it failed
There's never superhero fatigue, only bad movie fatigue
Anything lead to fatique. Superhero concept is a bit outdate especially for those who use shitty feminist's agenda other boring concept MCU beat Thanos using cheap time travel script that the most shitty writing to make good guy always win and never lose.
People likely want to watch anti heroes character today like Homelander or Brightburn.
I agree mostly with him, but it's not like the Guardians or hell even Iron Man were household names until the movies. In my opinion, these companies, marvel in particular, just assumed anything with their name on it would work out, but now they're seeing that people really only care about a story. Endgame was special for people because it was a marvel film. It was special because they were attached to these characters for a decade.
It's high time people started watching animated DC movies.
Fwiw, I intend to show up for Guardians 3, but mostly because it's James Gunn and he's handled the franchise well, and his work tends to be quality.
Ultron was created by the original ant man, and the original wasp was the one who often kept the group together, a role plugged by black widow later with the mcu
Shazam is tied to black adam in the comics, it would've made sense to have them together, but for some reason they decided not to.
The rumour is that the Rock wanted his own solo film.
@@baraodascolinas979 Yes, I heard the rumour Dwayne Johnson wanted Black Adam to fight Superman, not Shazam... and I suspect it's for 2 reasons: 1. Considering Shazam the character is basically a kid, it would mean Black Adam beating up a kid.
2. Black Adam is the villain so he will have to lose in the end, but The Rock would rather lose to Superman than to a kid, maybe, I guess?
@@baraodascolinas979 The Rock says he refuses to play characters who lose fights, he thinks it will damage his image. So he refused to be in Shazam because he'd have to lose to Billy.
The original concept art for the first Avengers film has Janet Van Dyne on the team instead of Widow.
Don't know why they changed it 🥴
@@natsohigh5552 It was because of Edgar Wright, he wouldn't let them use those characters till he was done his Ant Man movie
Btw Zachary Levi in Chuck was great
(Ps. It’s one of those tv shows that had poor advertising but actually is a really good, character-driven show, kind of like monk/psych but with more plot)
I usually don’t comment or interact with videos, but I will this time because YOU NAILED IT.
I'm tapping out of superheroes with GOTG 3.
Something I have felt with over saturation of franchises (Marvel, Star Wars, etc) is that studios are almost focused on these big flashy moments. There are so many moments that are flashy chase sequences or fights that don't amount to anything beyond eye candy. Eye candy is great but there needs to be more than that. The Guardians of the Galaxy movies were very successful because the writing and the flashiness of the whole package was in sync. Look at the Rings of Power: visually stunning from a technical perspective but a lot of the writing felt so off. In regards to Shazam, I think if they had the kids at the forefront rather than the adult super hero counterparts it would have made the movie a bit more different and unique. Feeling like you are watching the same stories told again and again with different heroes and faces doesn't do it for me, no matter how much awesome VFX get jammed in there.
It feels like Levi is playing the comic version instead of the film version. They let him go so broad in the sequel which just makes the disconnect even worse. He's kind of become more like Freakazoid than Shazam. Which I would've enjoyed much more to be honest.
I think the main problem is that we don't get to see superheroes with human problems but just superheroes who just want to save the day and don't want anything more than that and where the problem is beginning to show
2000 - X Men 1 comes out and people love it
2008 - Dark Knight and Iron Man are released and people love them.
2023 - Superhero movies are meh now.
So far, the best superhero movie we've gotten in recent memory, was The Batman.
@@somerandolad also wakanda forever, nwh amd the suicide squad.
good point! it's not superhero fatigue, it's fatigue regarding formularic superhero movies.
DC has always been in trouble, outside of Batman
MCU has flooded the market with too much quantity over quality last phase and is getting the backlash slightly now
Just make good movies/shows
I mean, when I was kid years and years ago we had cheap superhero TV shows and cartoons with an occasional big theatre movie. It was all new and fresh when Superman 1978 came out and Batman 1989. Now, 30-40 years later, it is oversaturated.
The idea of the superhero has been done in a lot of different ways. What's really new? It all feels like crass product churned out to sell toys and costumes. It's not fun in the same way. We need something new but we don't know what that is.
Watching a guy run around in colorful pajamas saving the world gets a bit absurd when you consider many of our current problems in real life can't be solved by fighting or by one hero. Our society is at a crossroads. We need new myths.
My screening was packed, strangely. And I had a really great time, the box office returns leave me very disappointed
I’m not tired of superhero movies. I’m tired of BLAND superhero movies. All I ask of Marvel and Dc is that they stop trying to cut corners and apply these characters to their neatly designed pipelines. Understand why audiences love these characters and give new audiences a reason to love them.
I feel writing has suffered from a lot of films. Did writers during covid just have bad headspace or are they using Chatgpt to write these scripts?
Love all the cope in these comments over Captain Marvel making over a billion. Guys, it’s wasn’t “advertised as essential to Endgame” any more that Ant Man and the Wasp was, and that film was also sandwiched in between IW and EG, and didn’t even get close to a billion. People also said Black Panther only passed a billion due to releasing right before IW. Guess the weird obsessive hate-boner for that one died down though.
I think y’all need to come to peace with the fact that a LOT of people want to see minority and female-led films, even/especially when those films are very bold about it. Normies aren’t constantly listening to some RUclips Daddy tell them to be mad about Brie Larson or Halle Bailey. Non-chronically online people are mostly just interested and curious.
Honestly, that is the directors fault the older and younger Billy act so different.
I don't think that "these movies are starting B/C-list superheroes so that's why they underperformed" works as an excuse. Iron Man, the film that arguably started the ball rolling on the whole craze, starred an (at the time) B-list hero. Ask anyone at the time who Iron Man was and they probably couldn't tell you. Heck, you could even argue that Iron Man was known more for his infinite combo in Marvel vs Capcom rather than his comics before his movie came out.
Every time one of these films underperforms everyone cries that the sky is falling. The MCU is still hugely profitable and successful and the DC films have been in a messy place for a while now. The genre itself is fine and will likely keep going even with the occasional bomb.
It peaked.
@@adeptdamage3669 Until Secret Wars comes out and people say the same hting again...
it’s kinda crazy that there’s fatigue of talking about super hero fatigue. I think that is the heart of where super hero movies are at
It’s a shame, because I loved Fury of the Gods. I thought it was a massive improvement over the first Shazam movie and it has me really excited for the future of DC.
With grocery and fuel prices being so expensive. I don't go to the movies as often as I used to. Which is too bad because several of the films I would have seen, have failed at the box office. I guess I'm not the only one waiting for streaming.
The Super Hero fatigue is coming in full force
Not even. It more like Disney is showing mid tasing cakes down our throats and demanding us to buy more.
Its beyond fatigue
The Boys and Invincible are the only good superhero content left NGL
If so, then what it is not like the original IP Movie are gonna be the main focus of the Big Film Studios again after the past 15 years.
@@nerdgeekman "good" superhero content doesnt matter when you are "super hero" burned out for the last 15 years of it being the dominant genre. Same period before the 90s had huge successes in at least 3 genres.
The most recent round of superhero movies mostly feel like cafeteria food dressed up in very shiny wrappers covered in words like "gourmet" and "haute cuisine" in the most elegantly scripted fonts to be gleaned for free from the Internet. And perhaps even more frustratingly, such movies, the "sure bets", seem to be almost all that studios are willing to splash out on, something that certainly wasn't true in 2006. The success of movies like "M3GAN" seem less about superhero fatigue and more about a hunger for movies that actually feel like a singular vision rather than design by committee, a willingness to take chances rather than a fear of messing up the launch pad for the next "sure bet".
I like both Shazam movies, i think Fury of the gods is good and funny. Shazam is a character B, but he have a great mythology that can generate good material. It seems this iteration of the character its not going back, if is the case i hope Gunn use Shzam in the future, even if this future is 10-15 years from now.
Shazam 2s main problem was the generic Greek god villains and the little to none facial expressions of Lucy from any of her screen time.
I'd be interested in hearing the Captain's thoughts on Sandman, book and show
“The Sandman” is not a superhero show. However it’s the best comic book based show right now.
These movies all took themselves seriously, had great cinematography and had grit. Like that X-Men film that opens up with that knarly scene in Germany during WWII with people getting separated from their families and put on trains until Magneto freaks out and starts destroying stuff. So dark. Then we got Deadpool and the studio heads who didn't get it until it made bank were suddenly like "oh they want jokes BUT let's make it all PG and Disney-like". Now every superhero movie is a goofy teen flick with a bunch of one liners and pratfalls. "Look at hulk fall and get mud on his face lol." This Shazam movie looks terrible. What they think a 12 year old would like - except 12 year olds are way to smart and mature to be into something this childish and dumb.
It's weird to me that DC is trying to revamp their universe so many years after the golden age of comic book films reached its apex (Infinity War-Endgame). I think they've just missed the boat.
Yup that was exactly what I noticed as well, Levi was much more imature, and basically an entirely different character than Angel.
As of Shazam 2's $102 million gross, it has proven that roughly 0.001% of the Earth's population went to see it, and some of those people were super excited!
Yeah, the fatigue is from all the crappy super hero movies and shows. If these movies was still as good as they use to be, people would still be going to see them.
I think there’s a triumvirate of forces working against comic book films atm, 1. VFX houses are being burnt out , 2. Directors are saying they want nothing to do with comic book films, and 3. Actors are opening mocking comic book films/ over invested fans are mocking actors and directors for not likening comic book films, these are rough seas ahead of us as a comic book culture , all it takes is a string of good comic book films to swing it back in our favor
I would say that the indication of MCU fatigue setting in. It affected other superhero franchises. Also, even though Spiderman NWH made bank, That was due to
I think the problem is that most super hero movies post covid haven’t been good. If it’s good people will show up for it (no way home, wakanda forever etc) but part of the problem is that studios keep giving at best c list characters their own films and shows then act surprised when people don’t show up.
I think the first captain marvel is an outlier because it came out right after infinity war and right before endgame and was marketed as necessary reading material only for the character to have what five, six mins of screen time in endgame.
And Ik people get angry as well with this next point but i will plant a flag in the point that Shazam failed in part not just because of the odd marketing, but because the universe is going to be rebooted by the end of the year. I can already see the “why can’t a film stand on its own?” Comments but Shazam 2 still tries to set up more to come even though it was never going to lead to anything. So why would the general audiences waste their time and money on a film that promises more to come, even though it won’t. And that all leads back to Gunn announcing that everything is getting rebooted at the start of this year instead of waiting until the end of this year. They shot themselves in the foot
Guardians 3, and the flash should make money though
This review was spot on. Particularly the disconnect b/t the adult vs kid personalities & the faux Shakespearean comment & im glad people are finally pointing it out. The got away w the personality mismatch in the 1st movie so they thought they could do it again.