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Keep up the great work 💚🙏
Do you have a girlfriend Ed?? Ur my inspiration so if you have one I’m gonna get one too 😂😂
Ed, this kid had switched off (comment made at 10 minutes), likely due to your tone, you are listing ethical stances rather than trying to remember your own former position and understand this kid. cold, detatched, you are not appreciating the hidden power of habit and stress, and your piasness has put this kid off, preaching won't convert people who are struggling in some unseen way; maybe you were more privileged than you realise when you found time and space to change to veganism. Daily joy from food is important for people who don't have the room to change you might have. becoming a good vegan cook takes a long time in my experience. peace
@@brayanangulo8730 eds got a ho stable of wholes
.. 😫🖕.. Hitler and Stalin and Pol Pot, were Killing innocent souls. Bludgeoned to death... 👈 Hint hint 🤥🦠🍖🔴.... 🙄. Over a frigging 5 minute burger et cetera !!! CuIt🔴foIIowing !!!!! What a world we live in !!!!! Sick !!!! 🖕🔴
Student: "Hunting deer could be a sustainable way to eat meat"
Ed: "But it is not sustainable on a mass scale"
Student: "I am talking about why *I* am not vegan"
Ed: "Ah, do you just eat hunted meat?"
Student: "...no"
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...aaaand scene.
@@crarls27 right?! It sounded like a skit from The Office
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I give him kudos for realising on the fly that moral argument sustaining veganism is airtight! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Love those moments during activism.
did this guy just say that it was difficult to be vegan in LA
LMAO
I was sitting here with such a puzzled look on my face trying to sort that one out in my head as it was being said 😂
THE KID GOES TO USC FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. HIS DAD PAYS FOR ALL THE GROCERIES, ITS ALL AMAZON FRESH AND POSTMATES, THE CAUCASITY OF THIS DUDE!
@@JumperDorian Broke college student btw
Isn't LA the second best city in the country for veganism? 😂
"I'm broke"
"I often get my food through postmates"
he's probs a trust fund baby or something
A white Tasmanian guy who studies in LA? The broke college student trope is almost an offensive mask to hide under.
Postmates is expensive as hell. In addition LA is probably one of the EASIEST places to be vegan in the US so it really just sounds like the guy is just stubborn.
@@kineticmeow9242 also beans plus rice plus tahini lemon garlic sauce and some steamed kale or veg comes out to a wholesome cheap meal or homemade vegan chili and cornbread pb and js, etc these people will forever justify ... all while self reporting their own laziness and selfishness
@@mellowmorgan stop it!! You are making me hungry
I love how many times when a non-vegan is asked, 'Why aren't _you_ vegan yet', they talk about a reason that isn't applicable to themselves
Hey Vegan gaze, love your videos haha
You mean his monthly income?
@@no1aviator the poorest people eat vegan. Meat is expensive. Next
@@iheartjbgccb 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ how much plants and supplements do you have to buy in order to get the same nutritional value as an ox liver?
@@no1aviator you don’t have to eat that many plants to have your nutritional needs met. Just eat plants and take a b12 supplement or foods fortified with b12.
EVERYONE says they’re against factory farming and (almost) EVERY single one of them routinely buys products produced by factory farms
To be fair, what is the alternative for those not willing to forgo meat? Most people are not in a position to hunt or fish. Lab-grown meat is going to take over the market very soon, mark my words.
@@tanyah.1054 if someone is ‘not willing’ to stop doing things that they say are wrong, they are the DEFINITION of a hypocrite
Does that help?
@@Celestina0 help with what? You’re angry about their hypocrisy, I’m trying to focus on the solution. Like it or not, many domesticated animals eat meat, from humans to cats. So I’m just trying to figure out where they’re going to source that meat in a way that causes the least harm. Therefore I am excited about lab-grown meat - it’s coming soon!
YUP. Disconnect 24/7 but pretends to care.
I am in support of factory farming. So your claim is false.
When your body lives in LA but your spirit remains in Tanzania.
Good. F*ck LA it's a shithole. Tanzania is awesome.
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"I'm broke"
"I don't cook"
How can you be broke and not cook? When you order food or eat out you spend 150% or more than what the ingredients are because of labor and convenience.
When one is broke, their own labor is the easiest way to save money. Even if you were homeless spending the $60 for a camper stove, propane, and pan will already pay for itself after one week of cooking in it
He said he cooked a little. He's saying he's struggling as a college student.
He didn't just say its hard to find vegan options in LA. This is second hand embarrassing. Thanks Ed for holding him accountable.
I live in a very small town in a very conservative state and I make $9 an hour... yet I am thriving on many vegan options... Imagine how abundant my options would be in LA 😭😭😭
I live in a small town in Wisconsin, and I don't use that as an excuse to not be
vegan. There are not a lot of vegan options here - so what? Imagine the endless vegan options you have living in L.A., and STILL claiming you can't possibly be vegan?
Literally a Trader Joe's grocery store a block away from the USC campus... But he lives in a food desert?
@@motsu9803 y’all some fake vegans
He said it was elitist too as if he doesn’t go to one of the most expensive private universities in one of the most expensive cities in one of the most expensive states 😂
This guy said he's a BROKE COLLEGE STUDENT and can't afford vegan food, and then a few minutes later says he buys his food through Postmates... bruh I could buy a week's worth of vegetables+beans+rice for the price of a Postmates delivery haha
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. The food delivery services are hella expensive with tons of added fees and tip. End up paying $30 for a sandwich. It's a total myth that veganism is expensive, anyway. Today I ate a veggie bowl with green peppers, onions, tomatoes, and garbanzo beans. A green pepper is like $1, the onion is like $0.90 (and only used a third of it) and the can of garbanzo beans was like $1.80. Add a few more cents for some taco seasoning and nutritional yeast, olive oil in the pan to cook the veggies, and some salt and pepper, and you are talking like $5 maybe.
He's also presumably being bankrolled by his parents back in Tanzania. If they can afford to send him to the US in the first place then there's no doubt this guy can afford to eat properly. Unfortunately, 'broke college student' is a really easy crutch to lean on even if it's not true.
Kinda wish Ed would have attacked Postmates a little bit
He's also wearing a gold ring.
Right. Again veganism can be experienced but that's if your buy bougie stuff. The majority of people can eat amazing food that doesn't break the bank! Beans, rice, spices, veggies are super afforable! SMH.
It's almost funny when they tell me that veganism is for rich people.
Coming from a poor family in Mexico, most days when didn't have money we just ate either beans with tortillas or if there was a bit more money some lentils and rice.
A plant based diet will always be significantly cheaper than eating meat and dairy.
Exactly. For most of history and in most of the world, meat is a luxury item.
@@tanyah.1054 And not only meat, plenty of animal and most plant products where a luxury as well.
I mean, people in the middle ages would just eat a bun of bread and a cooked onion and call it dinner. Yet they survived and stayed in shape. I'm not saying we should do that, but that history has taught us humans are very resilient even when the food options are absolutely limited.
thissssss!!!
same with India, China and so many other places. One of the healthiest places in the world is in Japan and they only eat meat products once a month.
I'm vegan, poor, mexican, and that's exactly my diet. I'm in optimal health conditions, by the way
This guy can't be serious. He's making it seem like it's a struggle to be vegan in fucking LA.
A "broke college student" at USC using POSTMATES with a grocery store around the corner lmaoooo this guy. Talk about elitist. Man doesn't even acknowledge his own privilege.
Maybe he got a scholarship. There's some low rent in expensive states too. Maybe he has roommates.
Having lots of grocery stores doesn't mean you can afford much. It might be more expensive in LA.
It doesn't negate that some vegans do act elitist when they demand perfection from people. What about some Inuit people mostly just having access to seal meat?
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c you're talking about a different situation here though. They need to eat meat to survive, he doesn't; the circumstances are completely different & can't be compared. Also, I think expecting that one shouldn't kill or be complicit in murder is a totally fine stance - to me saying "ah, but you can murder/order them to be murdered on your behalf that's alright so long as you try to murder less" isn't okay.
When has it been the regular for a college student to be good with money? Really love to conflate on that. If there was a 18 year old college student vegan you think I'm going to say he's broke because he is vegan? Likely it's only because he's not good with money.
Today I learned that to be vegan you need to eat the same dry beans every day
It sounds like someone didn't learn how to cook. :)
@@SevenEllen
Truly
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That's just your ignorance. Go check some vegan cooking channels?
Right? Like the only reason why his chicken tastes good is that it's seasoned and cooked. I really doubt he's sitting down eating raw, unseasoned chicken. So why not just season the chickpeas the same way??
Him: "I believe this"
Also him: "I do the exact opposite of this"
Yep, always talking about some idyllic farm somewhere but shopping in a supermarket like everyone else..
Whenever someone says they're against factory farming, I like to point out the fact that the vast majority of all animal-derived products (something like 99%) come from those place & trying to source dead animals from non-factory farm conditions, therefore, becomes more inconvenient than what they think going vegan is like. Sigh, silly carnists . . .
Actions>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>words.
Louis CK puts it perfectly: ruclips.net/video/99dDA0bx3kM/видео.html
Much like farmers who claim to respect the animals they kill.
I'm always impressed at how someone so passionate about a subject can debate it so calmly. So much more effective than getting worked up and emotional.
And Ed takes the time to have an actual conversation with the person listening to what they have to say and going from there. I agree that its these types of discussions that will have a greater impact on peoples views then those who shout at people and demean them for eating meat the 'holier then thou' types of people.
Being a vegan activist is basically having the same conversation over and over again, and each time the person thinks they have it completely figured out. I love to see those typical go-tos confronted and perspectives broadened. This will 100% plant a seed.
more than anything, it's commendable that Ed hasn't grown arrogant after so many conversations going this way.
It's really not effective though. If someone wants to eat meat they'll do it. You can say it's morally wrong etc.
but if you want it you'll go get it.
Look at a serial killer. You tell them killing it wrong but they'll still kill. They can't stop themselves
Well it’s all about going towards a plant based diet, so “planting a seed” is definitely an accomplished mission ;)
@@GrahamWinters Haha I love the pun
Vegan always think they are right, so why should meat eater listen to them when they themselves won't become meat eaters. It is not a one way street.
"So you only eat meat from hunted deer?"
"No." - stupid smirk. Every single time.
Like that’s gonna be convenient at any time. Stock up on long life dry legumes and grains and together they provide enough protein, it’s what every survivalist knows but these youngin’s 😂
Although I should have also said ready cooked legumes in water incase of electricity and water shortages 😭
@@GlobalEnglishSupernaturals yeah but I can't live my whole life eating nothing but dry beans out of a can
@@willbournerv2259 There's so many other amazing sources of plant protein.
@@iuliaionelapetcu1411 sarcasm my friend, sarcasm
The moment someone says it's elitist/privileged/expensive to be vegan or that it's tough to get all nutrition I know for sure that person has never ever researched about veganism or tried to go vegan.
You also know he buys only meat from factory farming, because flesh from these "small humane" farms costs like 3-4 times more than the vegan junk food equivalent.
The moment they bring up needing meat for protein shows me how ignorant they are.
Especially when he is studying in LA as a foreign student honestly. He may be there in a scholarship, but still he wouldn't be studying there (or the us in general) if he was so tight on money
i was a vegetarian for 2 years. a vegan diet is expensive AF
@@franknstein5376 And White people in TANZANIA are not struggling.
Ed is a savage disguised as a relaxed medium chill dude. Rarely have I seen anyone debate on any subject as well as Ed does on this subject, it's incredibly impressive.
Great descriptor... Savage Ed
He’s both the most respectful and the most savage debater there is
so very true!
He would lose to me. I'm Vietnamese and we are undefeated!
@@chrisx5127Chad
Wonderful work! You have made me go vegan! No meat for 7 months, no animal products for 4 months! (With some exceptions: food that will end in trash, also I ate for a month pesto I thought is vegan, but it had parmeggiano as an ingredient). Cheers!
Well done for at least trying! I hope this has been a good experience for you so far :)
That’s lovely!
Pretty much every vegan has had an accidental purchase of an animal product. The pesto I have now is completely vegan. Bought at Superstore in Canada.
If every meat eater just cut out meat just one day a week....having a little bit of cheese in your pesto isn't such a big deal. Good for you, and thanks!
Great job man, would be cool to hear if you've experienced health benefits. No worries about occasional lapses, you may find yourself in a situation where you're a guest and it would be rude to refuse, you may be served something that is characterized as vegan, but isn't. These things happen but the service you're doing for your health, the environment and the ethical treatment of animals is huge.
“I am a broke college student” oh where or how do you get most of your food? “Oh I mainly get food from postmates” LMAO
I hate when people say "we are all inherently selfish, exploitative etc." no we are not. Just because you are and the culture you come from has demonstrated that in the past does not mean everyone is...
actually it is. evryone wants somthing to happen to get self satisfaction.
@G G ofc not but its *natural* that someone will want something to happen. =selfish.
its impossible for somone not to wish for somthing .
I think that to a certain extent everyone is selfish in their own way, but it's also pretty clear, at least to me, that selfishness is not the only thing humanity knows. If humans were only capable of being selfish we wouldn't have people who sacrifice their time, money, energy and the peace that originates from living a comfortable life for the sake of others or for causes they care about. Some may say that that could be selfishness too (see utilitarianism for example)...well, yes, if you believe in an extremely cold world, where the only things that matter are one's pleasure, recognition and other people's opinion. Personally I don't believe that to be the case. We learn this studying economics, too: it's hard to create a good, complete prediction when it comes to how people choose one product over an other because every individual bases their choices on different factors, some of which are irrational and unpredictable. These are usually connected to religion, culture, one's upbringing and community, but most of all personality, emotions, empathy and values. Idk maybe I'm just rambling here, but I thought it'd be cool to share my view
@@zegolem3607 Selfish means what you said, yet "without consideration of others" there are people and cultures where the consideration of others and the community is paramount.
We all are, that's in our nature, but there are definitely some people more selfish than others
"Isn't that all debate is, you create extreme scenarios to justify stances?" ... kind of sums up arguing with a meat eater.
I find it interesting that they don’t understand we ARE in an extreme scenario where billions of animals are killed each year. We don’t have to create anything, it’s literally happening, which is why we choose to be vegan.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 lmao get out from under the bridge
or a vegan who virtue signals about eating cardboard
Hi Ed! You hope you read this, I would love to add Spanish captions to your videos, debates especially. As a Spaniard based in the UK I don't have much opportunity to speak about veganism to my family or childhood friends (especially after covid), and also I'm not assertive and knowledgeable as you are. I've lived in London for seven years now and studied English at uni in case my level is a concern. I'd like to do more and sharing your videos with the people I love and care about would make really happy.
P.S.: Please like this comment so he'll get to see it. 🙏🏼
Non-vegans: "I don't support factory farming...... except with my money every time I pay for meat, dairy, and eggs every time I shop at the grocery store or eat at restaurants."
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Well you could say we are all supporting child labour by buying our smartphones in that case...
I think recognizing something is wrong is a very important step, people shouldn't be criticized because their actions don't align with their views, sometimes it happens, it's a journey.
@@pedroloto We don't have much of an alternative to that apart from hand-me downs. If there was a company claiming and showing they don't use child labor for their smartphones then it would be more of on obligation to buy from there certainly! Besides that, smartphones are more of a necessity in todays society especially you don't possess a PC.
Plus it is not necessary for there to be child labor involved in the making of smartphones but it is necessary to involve animal exploitation for animal products. And there is a reason that child labor exists that is removed from the companies exploitating them so if you want to fix child labor you should also fix the circumstances that drive children to have to work so they and their families don't die. If everyone stopped buying smartphones tomorrow the children would hardly be better off (probably going to the next company producing some other product in desperation) but I think if we do activism for the issue we can solve the cause and the exploitation from the companies.
(if i got anything wrong about child labor let me know please)
@@pedroloto That's not a truthful claim. It's not even at all comparable or morally equivalent. In order for it to be comparable all those children would need to be crowded into factories living in their own shit, being caged, sexually assaulted, mutilated at birth, dying in those factories by the thousands from genetic disposition to disease and all having their heads cut off at the end.
It would also have to follow that this is what we are paying for when buying a phone, that children are executed or that slave labor is a necessary requirement. Though we are not and it is not the case. It would also have to follow that every instance of a phone being built must come from slave labor in order for the claim to hold any water. Though that's not true either.
The difference is that a phone CAN be obtained without child slave labor and a person can buy ethically when they find out about this unethical treatment. Animal products on the other hand cannot be obtained ethically. It's an unthought out tou quoque fallacy.
@@pedroloto And there is always lack of proof that it is happening. It is like a popular myth. Like people pull up couple of incidents that happened almost ten year ago from some companies, but not all companies.
You’re the reason I made the last step to switch to a vegan diet from a vegetarian diet. Thank you for everything you do
The animals thank you, be sure to watch the documentary Dominion
@@alisiademi I did!! It was heart breaking
@@alisiademi where
Just wanted to know, being a vegetarian myself, is it really necessary to go the extra mile and turn vegan? How much does it actually make a difference sustainably and ethically?
@@sindhusunkad3314 you’d be saving so many more lives if u make that last switch for sure! watch dominion or earthlings it’ll give you an idea as to what we contribute to , even as vegetarians
I don't have the time to cook... my schedule is entirely full of having discussions with youtubers about what I eat.
He's a "broke college student" ordering postmates with that hair regimen he has? I think a lot of people don't know what broke is. 🤣
$47 haircuts
As soon as they dodge a question and steer the conversation in a different direction, you’ve cornered them and they feel intellectually threatened.
Great job of holding him accountable, Eddie!
Vegan world tour "hold him accountable" hahahaha 😂. I know that guy, he's been eating meat since the debate 🤣
@@iams2109 I don’t doubt it. Im sure he licks windows too.
@@FranciscoAlvarezTV why? You were licking windows before turning vegan? 🤣
"them"
If you continue to be combative you will continue to turn people against the cause.
@@danm8004 What alternative pronoun would fit this sentence? "The person who you are debating" is a little wordy. Using the word "them" in the appropriate context in a vegan RUclips channel's comment section is not "combative". Trying to use the word "we" in an argument with someone who's feeling defensive is an effective strategy, but it's not at all necessary here, and would simply be incorrect.
Dude needs to try chickpeas in a thai red curry with mango he would change his mind.
steak and butter tastes better though.
So just did a search of eating vegan in Tanzania and got back this (I encourage everyone to look for themselves too):
“Most Tanzanian dishes include ingredients like coconut, plantains, bananas, beans, rice and maize - all very vegan-friendly ingredients and thus the majority of Tanzanians do inadvertently consume vegan meals. For example, a common lunch or dinner will consist of beans, some greens, and ugali or rice.”
“Tanzania is arguably the best vacation destination for vegetarians and vegans. The land is fertile and filled with varieties of plants, spices, fruits and herbs for both mankind and wildlife”
That's wild, thanks for looking that up
Consciousness cuts like a blade.
at the same time, the Masai, also in Tanzania, only eat blood, milk and meat, organs and fat of cows...no plants. the Hadza, in Tanzania also, eat meat, organs and fat of animals like baboons and honey...they don't eat plants when they can get animals. all in Tanzania.
@@ascendtoaesthetics but again that’s due to their choice to do so, not a lack of accessibility to plants or other plant based food of which Tanzania has a multitude.
@@loveveganvigilante5880 yes, there are plenty of plants around, they choose not to eat them because they know it is inferior food, best fed to cattle...
Also think we need to give credit to the other guy. He didn’t fall down the aggressive or defensive trap that most people do and that was a pleasure to watch. Do I agree with his views? No, but it was a good debate and he played a big part in making it that.
True. But I love when people give terrible reasons. I keep my popcorn ready xD
I've always wanted to be able to talk with Ed. We agree on everything so not good content but id have fun. Great video
Great Video? It was posted only 18min ago. How did you watch it so quickly?
@@oogway73 they popped it on X2 speed
“Well I think animals are friends not food.”
“Yes.”
“Yep.”
“ :) “
“ :) ”
That’s it, that’s the video.
@@AB-ft7ng Animals can be either friends or food. Depends on the animal.
@@gardenofeels6872 depends if your a hypocrite
Omg, 23 minutes of highfalutin language to get to, "I don't want to." 🧘
I've traveled in Tanzania and many parts of Africa as a vegan, and while it's not like Los Angeles (where I live) it's entirely doable. Lots of different types of grains, legumes, vegetables, rice, fruit, bread, etc. If you live there and care about animals, I am sure it's even easier because you learn where to find your food.
Those parts of Africa you mention aren't vegan because of compassion towards animals though, it's because animal products are more expensive and many people can't afford them. Let's not fool ourselves.....
And childhood malinourishment is a major problem in many areas that lead to stunted physical aswell as mental development
A child that goes through famines can have IQ more than 20 points lower than without and can have many other physical ailments aswell
@@Goriaas All truths. Not sure how that relates to my experience though.
@@robinpetersson3081 Well then I misunderstood you, sorry. I thought you were asserting that those people are just more compassionate to animals and that's why they are mostly plant based which would be a silly claim
When non-vegans say "that's a really difficult question to answer," it feels like what they mean is "answering that question reveals my own hypocrisy, and I don't like that."
Well done Ed! Showing folks how to advocate in such a respectful manner while touching hearts
Does this guy even have a heart?
@@barbaraibiel he’s just speciesist like the majority. Luckily he met Ed, and has great seeds planted to ripen in the future.
@Trapped In The Meatrix you know the vegan teacher? she's an example of disrespectful advocacy
Grains, legumes and lentils as Ed suggest eating are loaded with plant toxins are among the worst plant foods someone could eat. He's just further proving that plant based eating makes it difficult to be healthy.
@@justinberber9848 not going to spend too much time with someone called vegan carnivore, but the foods you’ve just mentioned are literally staples in the diets of populations with some of the lowest rates of disease on earth, and longest lives. You should lay off the carnivore channels
As someone who scrapes by on minimum wage, it would be an abuse of my human privilege to not be vegan. His excuses were so fickle and dishonest it's embarrassing. Well handled Ed 👏
Perhaps people don't prefer to "scrape by", especially when they have multiple children and live an hour away from every store, in which there are very few vegan options due to economic desparity, it's winter, there's a pandemic, etc.
@Crono 333 Scraping by isn't my "preference", it's my reality irrelevant of diet. In my experience veganism is much more affordable than if I was eating an omnivorous diet because I eat mostly wholefoods. I also have to rely on walking/public transport because I cannot afford to have driving lessons, let alone run a car so it actually takes me a long time to go food shopping. After graduating, I was broke and had to take up really exploitative agency work with sometimes a 60 hour working week so I understand hardship. Ought implies can, nobody would expect anyone to do something they physically cannot do. Veganism by formal recognition recognises this, though it's important to be honest about what we feasibly can do as individuals to end animal exploitation. I find those who appeal to poor people to invalidate veganism are rarely in this position themselves, but rather are using the less fortunate as an excuse to justify their own consumerism. Just to clarify, are you in an impecunious situation yourself? Is this the reason you aren't vegan? If so, my frustrations aren't with you. The guy in the video on the other hand lives in one of the most vegan friendly places on earth so has no excuse.
@@TheVeganVampire Jodie, You fricking rock 🤘.
@@NK-bz9wb thank you! 😊
@@TheVeganVampire More power to you. Your story is incredible. Like the old saying goes, "where there's a will, there's a way." As long as we strive to choose a lifestyle that's with right intentions, life finds a way...
Student: "That's a good argument"
Ed: "Thanks. I've said it before, probably"
Knowing that he has definitely said it at least a thousand times before hahaha
I would love to see someone come to the table and just say, “I dunno I just never really though about veganism. Can you tell me about it?” Out of genuine curiosity and open mindedness. I could used a bit of increased faith in humanity.
but people know about veganism, the debaters come, because they feel remorse, but it is in public and it is a game, a challenge, so this is not about confession, this is about winning, and so they play to win and not to learn. our society has malsocialized us into permanent hierarchization. when you loose the argument, you are a looser, you are beta, at least in the mythology, and then you are thrown out of the social circle. even when your inner self is in perfect alignment with veganism, society blocked the way. and then they are there to confess, and silently, moving, a bit, the position shifts, as if they always had this position they had in the end, no one wants to be a looser in a society that eradicates loosers, turns them into homeless bums, has no compassion. the fear is that the others do to the perpetrator, what he has done to the others, at the same time being a perpetrator hurts.
someone actually did and was convinced to go vegan !! u should check it out
i could listen to Ed talk all day. I adore the way he debates in such a level headed and informed way. It's never patronizing but more hopeful to get those thoughts running through their heads and to challenge the way we as a society have always thought.
100% agree !
Ed is brilliant!!!
It's always great to watch these people cycle through all the common excuses. Sometimes I play bingo and cross off the excuses as they come up 🤣🌱🌱
That German forest obsession is a new one, though! 😂 Damn, leave our forests alone, we've got supermarkets here that sell cans of chickpeas! 😋
I do too, they all say the same things 🤣
Know of a similar thing of atheists who went into a church where a preacher was ticking of a list of arguments against atheism, so the atheist dudes just handed out bingo sheets to cross off arguments the preacher would use.
The winner would win a book I believe.
Yep. It's actually kind of nice to hear the same points over and over because you get really good at answering them. It's the new ones that require a lot of research. I recently went and visited family for Thanksgiving and my brother brought up the, "Our teeth are made to eat meat. We can digest meat tho." excuses. Since I've heard that one a million times, I immediately thoroughly debunked it. Once he ran out of excuses, it came down to the old "well... it tastes good tho" excuse. It must not be THAT good because they never eat their leftovers. They always have mountains of mac and cheese and alfredo pasta lying around no one eats. Even the stir fry he made with steak got eaten the one time then no one touched it after that. He was nice and made vegan stir fry for me and my sister-in-law made a vegan ramen for the family which everyone loved. There wasn't any leftovers of that. lol.
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It's always entertaining to watch these people go through all of the typical excuses; sometimes I play bingo and cross off the excuses as they appear.
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It's always great to watch these people cycle through all the common excuses. Sometimes I play bingo and cross off the excuses as they come up 🤣🌱🌱
This guy was great!! It's frustrating to encounter the psychological defense mechanisms that support non-vegan lifestyles, but he was open and honest about them, at least. I really think this conversation will cause him to seriously reflect on his decisions when he thinks about purchasing animal products in the future.
Awesome job with this discussion as always, Ed :D
at a certain point, you can even see him "computing" the information and trying to ignore what is consciousness is trying to show him: 18:30 ish
Thanks Ed! Vegan for 15 months now, thanks to you and Joey Carbstrong! I love you!👍✌️👏💖💖💖💖
Unlike many other people in these dates he in the end at least admitted that he mostly doesn't *want* to. He listened and actually seemed interested. So for that at least I commend him haha
He didn't seem interested. He was looking all over the place. He seemed bored. He admitted he was wrong but won't change a thing in his diet.
@@barbaraibiel that's just sometimes how people process information and think during the debate! I do the exact same thing. It often helps me in long conversations to not look directly at who I'm conversing with.
@@henri-julien Yeah, maybe. I have no experience with that since almost all my debates are online, but from watching others debate, usually people look at each other.
Which makes him a bad person. He values this insane cruelty just for taste
@@henri-julien plus maybe he’s sensitive to eye contact
I loved the moment when he had to give you props for your argument, this reminds me of when i was on my own inner journey to veganism and i would come across a brilliant argument that changed my perspective.
Same. I was once anti vegan. But after many debates on reddit with vegans my fallacies were one by one defeated.
@@quinnkrug1971 If you don't mind me asking, how "anti" vegan were you?
He lost me at “I’m so poor I can only afford postmates” 😂
omg-being Vegan is so easy and available.BEING LAZY IS NO EXCUSE.
Great debate with a pretty smart young man who was at least able to follow the arguments and acknowledge when excellent points were put forth by Ed. He seemed properly cornered by the end and seems to get that he doesn't have a leg to stand on. But it's true that people need to *want* to change, even if they see the logic.
Absolutely, realizing there is a problem and wanting to solve it are two different things, but I think the first one could be a great step towards change
@Viridis Just because he said he had no problem killing a chicken it doesn't mean he's not a smart man. With that thinking you'd be categorising billions of the world's population as 'not smart'. Be open, life's better that way, and challenge respectfully.
A perfect example of how you can't teach compassion you're born with it.
@Viridis Yep my girlfriend grew up in a family of butchers so killing animals was 'normal' yet she was born with compassion and chose vegan. At restraunts her father used to point at his head and circle his finger whilst telling the waitress she was 'special'. Not even a joke, he actually thought there was something wrong with her brain.
Omg he is so much better than the last guy, when he randomly brought up moral relativism, I was like NOT AGAIN
Lmaoo me too, i was like “here we go again!”
It is always when they cannot morally justify their actions that they bring up moral relativism.
SAME!
Moral relativism is literally the idiology of evil
This guy sucks so much can’t imagine the last guy…
currently i'm a pescatarian but i'm really considering going plant based or even fully vegan because of your channel
that's great! feel free to ask for advice/tips or if you have doubts about going vegan 🌱
I was pescatarian from age 12 to 25 and I wish I had gone vegan instead the food is AMAZING and being vegan is a completely much better feeling than pescatarian. With vegan it really makes you feel like your true self if you love animals. I feel more compassionate and more loving because I know I'm living in line with my values.
Give it a go you will love it.
Ya let’s go ahead and hurry that up then don’t talk about it BE ABOUT IT ASTRA LEAF BE ABOUT IT
As almost every vegan says... The only thing they regret about going vegan is that they didn't do it sooner. It truly is amazing and the best thing I ever did (coming from a meat eater for 19 years, veggie for 6 months and going on vegan for 2 years). I regret the years I spent being ignorant, but I'm proud of being who and how I am now :)
How's it going? Have you turned over a new leaf?
There's nothing more wholesome in a debate than admitting defeat. I truly loved the ending to this. He was there to learn more than he was to defend. Much better person than the last guy.
At 16:54 , when he says “that’s a great answer” and you see the sparkle of amazement in his eyes, man that’s exactly how I feel in all of Ed’s videos 🤩
You and me both pal
"broke" college student ordering postmates...
Love that you are doing these again Ed! Your patience and way with words is inspiring.
Ed, you are my role model. I aspire to have your level of patience, clear articulation, and respectful consideration for your opponent (despite their painfully idiotic arguments and excuses). Thank you for doing what you do.
the more you understand the other (who represents your old self) the more you are conscious with your inner self, the more you are conscious with the outside situation (slaughterhouse) and with consciousness comes the recognition of the way. the real weapon in all of this madness is consciousness. raising consciousness. once one has gained consciousness that carnism exists, it falls into pieces.
Why do people think not participating in killing animals is a privileged thing. Nothings stopping you from going vegan bro.
I honestly think it’s just because these people heard someone else say it once, so they just adopt and parrot it without question because it aligns with their preferences.
To be honest it's because people are use to eating animals and think it's a normal thing to do of getting protein and iron etc. The reality of it is far beyond a delusion as vegans do live longer life, better health, no cancer, heart disease and diabetes etc. problems. Also they can get the nutrition the body needs without meat, can eat taste food with veg and vegan meat also can live a life without any animal products. Also there's a lot of selfishness involved towards eating meat then the walfare of animals living a life and they're paying money towards people that breed, feed and injet them with pregnancy. It's a illusion by evil people making profit. You make a stand for the walfare of animals every shape and form of loving them. That's what God wanted us to do and I am willing to do it for them
@@xflora-chanx it’s crazy how people think heart attacks, diabetes and cancer are just normal things that happen 😢 Meat is the silent killer
@@_Aurelius_Marcus I think it's a warning towards God that eating animals long periods of time can caurse problems. It's the same with homosexuality that it can caurse HIV and Aids sleeping with multi people. Also with drinking alcohol, drugs and smoking is bad for you but people do it. People that think the bible is false need to look at evidence provided for us already. God trying to protect us period! The evidence is there right in our faces and people ignore it.
@@xflora-chanx bruh did you just say that God was punishing people for being gay through things like HIV? what the hell
“Moral relativism” does my head in 🙄 A cheap cop out for defending any wrong you want to perpetuate.
I'm a student as well drowning in a shit tonne of work. Literally cooked up an entire vegan meal while watching this: Pasta in a tomato and tahini sauce, with crispy tofu pieces (marinated in soy sauce, ginger, chilli, garlic & sesame oil) and mushrooms on top, little drizzle of sweet chilli sauce & some carrots and kale on the side. Extremely well balanced meal in terms of macronutrients and micronutrients. Literally took me a few minutes and is very filling and full of flavour. If I can do it so can he
Always a pleasure to listen to your debates Ed, thank you🙏
'i dont have the time...', sits on a random 'why are you not vegan' table... updated... just keeps getting better... cooks chicken in a pan... probably the messiest and most time consuming way to make a meal, imagine the clean up with all that added oil and animal fat splattered everywhere...
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I am a hungry, broke college graduate who went vegan when I was still in college. It's not really that expensive, only the meat/cheese alternatives are. I completely understand if you live in a food desert why it's impractical to be vegan, many people do not have access to grocery stores. But vegan diet isn't expensive.
I think the meat and cheese alternatives can be more expensive but depends on what you get, for example beyond burger are £5 for two burger patties but Tesco have their own for £1.50, a kilo of red fox cheese could be £13.50 per kilo but Violife mature cheddar is £10 per kilo.
I understand people like to keep to what they know and they don't want to spend money on something they may not like, but even though something may be more expensive I'd rather spend more money than be cruel 💯
@@Kelly-pp1et they are my second favourite plant based burger it's a treat for me to eat them 😃
@@Kelly-pp1et Um when did I say I buy alcohol? You know that I am vegan too, right? And I meant meat/cheese alternatives can be expensive for some people. Some people can't afford to spend 20 extra dollars on vegan alternatives. But that doesn't mean they can use it as an excuse not to be vegan, they can just not buy those products.
@@Kelly-pp1et Maybe where you're from. I would use "they" when referring to a person outside of the conversation
His message was pretty clear honestly, but no big deal, misunderstandings are frequent on the internet, in particular if you are not speaking your native language (my case and maybe yours)
He's opposed to factory farming but he supports it everyday...
You're opposed to animals dying but you still pay for them to be killed
"I agree that we should reduce suffering, but I won't do it, because I don't want to"
My favorite counter argument to “hunting tho” is to point out how humans don’t hunt as natural predators, we hunt selfishly and as unnaturally as possible. In the wild, predators target weak, sick, dying, or very young deer and prey animals. This creates a natural balance and evolutionary benefit of “survival of the fittest”- humans on the other hand, hunt only the biggest, strongest, and healthiest animals. We effectively destroy the natural balance and leave the sick and young to fend for themselves, and now instead of killing one deer, we create a chain of deaths. Hunting is literally one of the most privileged sources of food you can have.
That's right👉
although i agree with you, i would just be careful with using this argument, since this is an appeal to nature. i think you can only use this argument if they're making the argument that hunting is natural.
obviously western hunting is different to subsistence hunting by indigenous communities which is more in line with natural methods
This isn’t a good argument because it separates humans from nature but we are a product of, and influence on, the natural world. Just like everything else. Also consider that something being “natural” doesn’t make it “good”. There are better ways to criticize unsustainable hunting practices.
human hunters kill subordinate males, they have no bearing on the population as they do not breed.
When factory farming accounts of 95%+ of meat consumed (depending on where you are) it's just simply not worth anyone's time to discuss the "ethical" meat! Amazing how vegans keep finding these minority of people who source ALL their meat, dairy and eggs from the happiest animals in the world 🤔
It’s such a weird coincidence - every non-vegan I talk to online either only gets animal products from their uncles humane farm, or has an extremely rare allergy to all fruits and vegetables. SO strange.
Yea.. Also the fact that these meat eaters go through such extreme lengths as doing a literal inspection of the farm to ensure humane conditions.... Making sure the animal is wrapped in a blanket and given a hot cocoa.... While it's being shot in the head.....
Bro just get a plant burger and stop wasting all this time
kinda weird when i ask plant-based ppl if they get their food from their own garden or a local producer, 95% say no and get GMO monoculture vegetables from the supermarket
Factory farming is ethical...
This was such a pleasurable discussion to watch. I really enjoyed you both listening to each other, letting each other finish talking and be respectable towards each other the whole conversation through. Well done both of you! ♥
Really great job as always! 👍🏻
I wish these clowns would just come out and say "I don't give a fuck about anyone except myself and I never will" and save us all the time
Comments like this are putting people off of veganism. You are not helping our cause
@@feedback1204 you're right, vegans should be focused on attacking OTHER VEGANS in the comment sections! That is far more helpful for the cause.
I am unapologetically anthropocentric
@@carsonc7320 if you can't differentiate between an attack an criticism, that's on you
@@feedback1204 if you can't differentiate between a random comment on RUclips video that will have zero affect on somebody's decision to go vegan, and whatever you think this is, that's on you 😊
Thank you! I've missed these. They are fun to watch but also help me with my own arguments and delivery for veganism.
Same! I'm so glad Ed is doing more outreach videos
I would love to have a chat with this Ed dude. I'm flexitarian, live in a vegan household w/ vegan room mates, and there is some barriers I come up against in committing to veganism. I appreciate how Ed's wording here is very important and there is specificity in it. I wish we could have a conversation and discuss the barriers I run up against, ways to overcome them, etc because I really think I could benefit from that discussion.
I think my challenge lays largely in certain habits, dare I say addiction, and will power. Possibly mental health/life/energy balance thrown in for good measure.
"You asked me, I gave you excuses, and when you destroyed them, i feel annoyed"
I wish these people would realise how EASY it is to go vegan in 2021! I've been vegan for 2 years and I eat a delicious, nutritionally complete diet with no restrictions for just a tiny bit of extra effort and thinking. Pizzas, burgers, sushi, ice cream, cakes, pies, burritos, anything I want..
i second that
I third this. I literally just grab one packet or jar instead of another at the supermarket. It couldn't be simpler.
exactly! I eat everything I used to eat but just vegan. its so easy nowadays.
I've been vegan for 4 years now and I don't even think about it outside of the occasional label reading. I have my stables I buy and keep. The hardest part about being vegan is other people (omnis).
Literally Paul McCartney was veg before the 90s 🤡 So many vegans for 30 years and people still justify the "it's too hard" argument. Just say you like the convenience. I know that was the issue for me
I used to hunt all the time. And eat raw dairy, pasture raised eggs. It isnt sustainable at all. It takes lives of other animals, used like objects, and deteriorated my own health as well. I couldn't go back if i wanted, which i absolutely do not.
Veganism is as expensive as you want it to be!
The boring soul destroying food is cheap, the tasty vegan options are expensive
What’s up brother
Even processed products and substitutes aren't that expensive. So much food is 'accidentally vegan' too.
We need to stop calling them plant-based “alternatives”. Stop normalizing meat as the standard. You don’t need an alternative to something that isn’t food nor necessary. A plant-based diet is complete. It’s not alternative to anything - it just is.
This guy actually wasn’t too infuriating, compared with other recent videos
That is called "damning with faint praise."
I've found in your debate videos, as well as others, that it is IMPOSSIBLE for your arguments to be genuinely heard by someone who isn't intentional about their own life. This guy is the perfect example. He seems very smart. He is clearly knowledgeable about things going on around the world including the impact his food choices have. He recognizes the flaws in his arguments and the contradictions in his moral standards. Yet, because he isn't an intentional person, he talks about the severity of the problem without addressing it in his own life. Disappointing.
I worry how these people will operate once done with university. Will they be just as passive and incapable of exercising agency as they are in these conversations? Like eternal babies? With huge brains?
I was just like this guy. Before at some point, I decided that instead of just telling everyone 'yes I'm a hypocrite' and citing my handful of 'reasons' (excuses), I decided to actually, not be a hypocrite, and just live differently. It was a slow transition, I honestly wish I knew the exact trigger for change, from being 'accepting' of my own internal hypocrisy to not accepting it anymore, but I can't pinpoint it - although I think watching many videos like this, and mapping out these lines of reasoning time and time again... I think my brain gave up the fight eventually.
What I'm trying to say is, don't be disappointed in this guy. He's young, and he's prepared to debate and think it through, and with enough thinking and talking, he may very well end up right on Ed's side. This is so, so much better than someone not prepared to engage in thoughtful debate.
@@bronwynburles agreed completely, i wish more people were like you
Yes where is their own moral compass
AND all his arguments came back around to “what everyone else would say/do” when the beginning of the debate was about his actions and choices
Thanks Ed! I find out you rly moved your hand So much now during debates 😂
I love this kind of debates~ Giving me and other people knowledge. I hope the comment sections could understand that this is the purpose of city tour debates. You will find people like this, and instead of Judging them hard, we should be like Ed who educates and plants seeds in their head... And understand many vegans before were also like these people..
Cant wait to get your book.
My partner and I are both vegan college students, and we typically each spend about $5 per person for lunch and dinners, and about a dollar for breakfasts. This is a privilege and I am very grateful we have the funds to afford the food we buy. That being said, we go to a significantly less expensive public school than USC, so i’m taking a guess that the monthly budget for students there is a bit higher. and in a “food paradise” like la, vegan food is going to be equally affordable to most meat foods.
Thank you sm for being vegan🙏🏾
Damn that’s a hell of a lot money :/
Always love these debates - so interesting to watch. I'd be interested to see Ed have these sort of discussions with a vegetarian about the egg and dairy industry specifically! I was vegetarian for a long time before coming across Ed's videos and going vegan
Loving these debates! 💜
@16:55 I literally clapped. You have an amazing way of speaking and explaining things. Many times, you put into words exactly how I feel or would hope to respond. Other times, you have a much more profound perspective than I do and so watching you is a treat where I am simultaneously validated and enlightened. I love u thank u
"that is the reality for so many Americans."
Nope. As someone born and raised American, that is the delusion for so many Americans. Eating plant based is the cheapest in the 3 states I have lived and I haven't even lived in the most vegan friendly states.
TYSM for everything that you do for non human animals and for being so kind/respectful to human animals when engaging in these type of convos! ALL of us EARTHLINGS✌🏼🖤🌈🙏🏼🌱🐾👣🌎💫
Hey. Wanted to ask, do you believe all creatures of the earth are equal? Asking because of the language you used
love your content, brave stuff going all over asking the questions you do of people. love that. Switch your wide angle shots to manual focus though fellas! the focus hunting is rough.
I am vegan since january 2020, i havé bien watching your videos since 2019. You probable the biggest source of information that mate me switched my végétarien diet to vegan. This si such a great argument, trankil you for all your work
Oh wow you're a month away from your two year anniversary! Congratulations! I just went vegan this past September because of Ed so I'm only two and a half months in. It feels so fulfilling. :)
"But you asked me why I'm not vegan. "
The sign also says 'Debate a vegan'. This is how debates work, kid.
When he thinks he's making a righteous point, he makes hard eye contact. When Ed effortlessly counters, he won't look at Ed.
Tbf, the sun was shining directly at him
Would love to see Ed pull out some containers of delicious, cheap and easy to prepare meals, with a cost per meal label.
Would love to see Ed in Africa pushing veganism.
@@luismart7714 I live in Africa and there are many vegans here
@@PillDex I googled it: 6% of the population. So my point remains unchanged.
@@luismart7714 Do you realize how many people 6% actually is?
That's not a small amount
All I'm hearing from this guy is I'm too lazy to cook good food. This is maybe one of the worst arguments from a meat eater I've heard.
Also, he's a rich boy from Tanzania, because every university student who is actually poor in my country lives on 65 cent cans of beans, not deliveries. I highly doubt he's out hunting with the tribe when he's back home.
Oh dear Ed. He didn’t really have much of an argument did he?
They never do.
deer Ed
@@underground5220 So what? We ate what we could find. That does not mean that we are evolutionarily adapted to eating meat. We get many diseases from eating meat. This guy presents a very good argument that we are herbivores: ruclips.net/video/XmXynDLkbXY/видео.html
I LOVE these videos, please keep them coming Ed! I always find myself learning more about venganism from your responses, and I've been vegan for almost six years. Love you!
That was great! Love the end!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Superb debating as always, Ed. Thank you for all you do.
I love these vids dude, you and Joey do so much for the vegan community. I hope I get as good as you are on talking to people about their meat consumption!!!
"im a broke college student" "also i eat out and pay Postmates delivery fees on the regular"
something isn't adding up here pal
really enjoyed that conversation guys
LOVE your channel....subscribed!!