CARNIVORES VS VEGANS: A Debate for the Ages!
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- Discover the ultimate clash between carnivores and vegans in this thought-provoking debate for the ages! Dive deep into the contrasting ideologies, health implications, and environmental impacts as these two dietary lifestyles go head-to-head. Gain insights, debunk myths, and explore the nuances of this contentious topic.
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As a non-native, I had hard time understanding because of echo. It'd be nice if you could figure out how to make it clearer.
Great stuff
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Yes but you should have kept the vegans from interupting, should have also told them to stay on point and stop moving the goalpost. Chaffee was arguing the biological medical nutritional biochemistry side while the two goons were circlejerking about “ethics”. You have to play referee more in a debate like this and structure and order arguments and tell people to shut up when its not their talking time.
@@jasonanthonywilper
it was a debate. that's the point.
and Chaffee had all the time to make whatever points he wanted.
stop crying you damn snowflake Lion
The only absolute scientific fact i gained from this debate is that vegans are way more annoying than carnivores.
😂😂😂
That is well established. The closest thing to settled science 😂
😂😂😅
That's because they dont come from a rational place, but from and emotional place which is the root of their
ideology (empathy for the animals). So after the ideology is incorporated as part of their identity, any questioning of their ideology is
perceived (on a subconscious level) as an existential threat. It's kind of a mental disease from which they
cant break away, unless they suffer an even greater trauma, some of physical nature, like a physical disease
caused by the diet, which will then on some cases make them review their stance. Unless something powerful
like that hapens, they'll remain attached to their emotional construct, cos it validates their identity as being
righteous and virtuous, essentially making tham thing they are better than anyone else who's not on the same boat.
@@virusmyth4930Totally.
Carnivores calm, vegans rage
Exactly! More B12, sir?
Carnivores no ethics or science to back them. Vegans ethics, logic and science to back them
@@veganix6757vegoon buffoon logic and science .. yeah sure lol
Just like predators and prey. Predators are calm and in control. Prey animals are finicky and quick to overreact out of fear.
It's the lack of proper nutrition for their brains.
The only thing vegans are proving is, how important red fatty meat is for your mental and physical health.
lol true
exactly!
More egan melt down - ruclips.net/video/Jrc0GN1Ujys/видео.htmlsi=hXf-DiVvfnihFtIU
Zing!
More proof - ruclips.net/video/Jrc0GN1Ujys/видео.htmlsi=xLvK3DS4j9dokLZj - stupid vegans.
Carnivores: here are the reasons for my belief.
Vegans: i have feelings.
ruclips.net/video/Jrc0GN1Ujys/видео.htmlsi=3rdRnnloGhx7Q95_
All of Leftism is based on EMOTION.
@@gmnotyet Do you mean emotions like this - ruclips.net/video/Jrc0GN1Ujys/видео.htmlsi=hXf-DiVvfnihFtIU
@gmnotyet I'm as lefty as they come and I'm carnivore. Politics are not a good measuring stick as your health doesn't much care about liberal v conservative.
The irony. Carnivores have beliefs but vegans have evidence. Not sure what went through your head when you watched this. I guess if someone murdered you for a nutrient, that would be ok, because it’s natural, right babe?
I wish Sally Norton was sitting next too Anthony Chaffee. Let an ex-vegan debate the vegans.
I recommend you watch the Chaffee/Nagra debate.
And Lierre Keith!
Right
I would prefer Phil Ascot, much funnier.
@@user-cp4jd2hm2cI wouldn’t it was very good.
Dr Berry was right. Vegans have a very childish outlook on food.
We all felt this way as kids, but we grew up and became adults.
Eating for food entertainment purposes is is grown up ?
What about 🐂 fighting for entertainment purposes?
Vegans acknowledge the objective reality of factory farming.
Do you think the brutal skaughter of animals unnecessarily is a mature outlook do you? 🤯
@@julienfroidevaux1143alright fraudster, where did anyone mention entertainment, except you right now?
@@barrywood5750they don't acknowledge the killing of nature, including animals, to preserve their crops
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Him saying cows kill insects in the grass. HAHAHAHA. Does he know how many insects die in modern agriculture?? What a joke.
Way more plants are used for animal ag than plant ag. The numbers of animals harmed are much fewer in a plant based lifestyle. This is factual
@@dobrickgenevo 1000% wrong.
No socks were harmed during the making of this video.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, good one Frank. I noticed that as well.
Omg 😂😂😂😂
Underrated comment!!
😂😂😂
Fashion is so crazy, im in my 40s now and it looks so bizarre to see these people with no socks. Few years from now nobody will be doing this look but at the time they cant see beyond it haha
She called him a psychopath in the first 2 minutes. When you resort to name-calling off the bat, you've already lost the debate.
Emotions over logic
Agreed and very disappointed with the moderators for not stopping those insults from the very beginning ❤
No I didn't call him a psychopath. I said if you believe being against animal abuse and murder is a "sham" then you must be a psychopath.
@@vganbooty quick question for you if you don't mind. Are you in or against abortion?
@@vganbooty either go and study and learn to debate or give it up, you vegans are standing out as pathetic amateurs in this debate. You are going off from emotions and feelings instead of facts and logic. Even if you were right no one would take you serious.
My ears are hurting. I was hoping for an intelligent and strong debate. Instead I hear constant stupidity from ignorant children who are clearly out of their depth. I'm yet to find a debate where a vegan can' debate without aggression 😢
Check out Earthling Ed
Or « Don’t eat anything with a face »
I could give you hundreds
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This debate has this same carnivore doctor.
There are many professional debates on the ethics of killing other animals. I recommend seeing Philip Wollens stuff.
The only diet ever scientifically shown to reverse our leading cause of human death (Cardiovascular Disease kills 33% of humans), with 99.4% success, is a *Whole Food Plant Based* diet. -Esselstyn, journal Family Practice
Being vegan was the worst decision i made in life
best decision I have ever made
only coz you did it wrong!
@@saszablaze1 Exactly! Very wrong! It was a wrong decision. Thank God after I had all these terrible symptoms for a long time, I decided to listen to my own body instead of my beliefs and my dogmas. Then, I started to watch videos of ex vegans. That was absolutely my turning point. Almost all of the testimonial were talking about the same symptoms I had but much worse than mine! Now I am recovering but it takes time. I have lots of nutrient deficiencies now.
The Vega diet has a lot of problems:
1. It's full of carbs! I don't think you can have pure complete proteins from any plant! Those spike your blood sugar. Now that I monitor my glucose, I found out that legumes spike my blood sugar even if a just eat 1/2 cup, same with oats quinoa, breads, potatoes, rice, cereals, and almost everything that sustain you a little bit.
2. Carbs keep you craving all day. You don't feel satisfied.
3. Plants are full of oxalates, lectins, phytic acid, and a bunch of antinutrientes. That's why vegans suffer from malnutrition because of these chemicals.
4. All of these chemicals produce inflammation and is the root cause of diabetes, dementia, autoimmune disease, cancer and more
5. Plants are also full of pesticidas, GMO, full of parasites, and more
6. Most health problems come from deficiencies and toxicity. Vegan diets have both of the 2 worlds!
7. I truly think that the reason elimination diets work is because they eliminate the consumption of poison (plant chemicals and pesticides) and they incorporate the best nutrients (meats)
Last, I suggeste to watch ex vegan videos. That will wake you up and save your own lives
@@inthevortex-de1rh nonsense, you were never vegan.
@@saszablaze1 There is not a way of doing veganism/WFPB correctly. Everyone does it wrong.
Carnivore: "Eat what you want ."
Vegan: " Eat my way or you are an unethical psychopath."
they have a point though.
@@snivvelslurderagementai2560 they have no point lol
@@snivvelslurderagementai2560 vegans kill more animals in the end
@@snivvelslurderagementai2560 Vegans have no point.
These same carnivores say "we are hypercarnivores, it's our natural diet"
It's not.
Scientifically, anthropologically, anatomically, ad infinitum.
Painful to listen to vegans. Getting a headache.
what about the pain the animals go through for your meat tortured abused and in slaved there whole life
U don’t have an argument against them
@@DDigglermother cows not beef. Only the weak enslave others needlessly.
@@sn1per196 the pain is 0,1% of the life's animal.
Why not talking about the 99,9% of the life's animal where it has comfort, food, water and protection
from weather, diseases, pests and predators while not easily enjoying none of that in the wild. Why focusing
on the 0,1% and sweeping the other 99,9% under the carpet just to suit your ideology?
It's not torture and abuse, as this would be detrimental to the animal's health and impact the farmer's bottom line.
It is in the farmer's best interest to treat the animal as best as possible.
and if the farmer is actually guilty of malpractice, just boycott the meat from that farmer, not meat entirely.
@@DDiggler lol what's a proper human diet
The vegan guy is such an angry little interrupter
Let Chaffee finish
or maybe its passion
Can tell he's intimidated by Chaffe's presence and trying to overcompensate
@@nathanjohnson4299 female emotional characteristics
@@cornstar1253 humanity is riddled with emotional human beings people are commiting suicide because they can't handle there emotions being emotional is nothing to do veganism everything to do with being human
He tapped into his full feminine energy.
Idaho farm girl here. I have sat in the cab of a tractor and so many animals die when plowing up a field. Rabbits, snakes, wood chucks, mice, frogs, insects just to name a few. Then again when it is harvested. To say no animals die for a vegan diet is false. Either way animals suffer and die so we can eat.
I have celiac disease and so many grains are untouchable for me. My father is currently dying a slow painful death from colon cancer caused by untreated celiac that progressed to cancer and while following the whole grain diet. We are not all the same and I personally have healed many issues on a keto diet.
An omnivore diet uses much more farmland than a plant based diet, thus much more crop deaths too.
I know vegans who eat a gluten free diet.
@@walter.... Nope! Most animal food are byproducts, not the crops itself. And plant based dieters still wear cotton and use lumber or rubber which causes more crop deaths.
let alone that sometimes whole habitats are broken down to start plantages
Oh gosh... myself and my sisters were on the same journey that these young people are now on, for 20yrs or longer... In my 40s I developed ME/CFS & Fibriomyalgia; my twin has 3 or 4 Autoimmune illnesses and my youngest sister - Vegan for 35 yrs developed kidney failure and was on dialysis for 4 yrs... she passed away in 2017 age 47 leaving behing her twin girls with Autism. All in the name of moral ethics. 7 yrs on a Vegan diet is nothing... a life-time is nothing but damaging. I've been eating Carnivore since 2022 and feel so much better. Thank you Dr Chaffee... my husband and I have been following your channel. All the best, Sue from Cape Town, SA.
47 is too young 😞 Thankyou for sharing.
Do you know about Indian diets? Many Indians spend their entire lives happily without meat. All these diseases you mentioned are more likely to be seen in the western world with meat based diets. Many of our Indian foods are vegan by Default.
Vegan seit 4 Generationen.
Erbkrank,Stoffwechselkrank, ständig Brainfog.
Mit 28 auf einmal Hunger auf Leber.
Noch nie fitter u besser geschlafen als Mit Fleisch.leider.
Oh gosh, sorry to hear that Sue, that is sad to hear. I too have been on this same journey for 30 years plus. Touch wood, I feel healthier than ever. I run 20k faster than I did when I was in my early twenties. I haven't been to the doctor in over 10 years. People who are vegan develop ailments same as meat eaters. How do we conclude that it was the diet that directly caused the ailment?
First of all, what is a carnivore? Do you only eat meat? I would be very worried to go near a person who is a Carnivore. This is just not the right word to describe human diet, to begin with, as we are omnivores, opportunistic omnivores. I am very sad to hear about your story, and my best wishes for your health, I doubt that this is because of vegan diet. If this was true, then my entire family would have diseases like you mentioned because all our 3 generations consist of vegetarians and Vegans. I have lots of friends coming from Jainism which is a similar diet, and have had a long Indian history before even "veganism" word was suggested. Many Indian diets have been Vegan by default. Unlike West, it is not a challenge for many to be vegetarian in India as we were grown up that way, and we have never seemed to have any problems.
Vegans are you aware of how many rodents, slugs and snails get killed for a farmer to protect his crop?
They block out that fact. 😊
Not to mention birds, pigs, kangaroos, deer, predator animals that eat the poisoned rodents!
@@mrxanadu82 Because they're not sentient beings they say. But if the whole ecosystem is eradicated due to moderm agricultural practices then there won't be any semtient beings left!
Veganism minimises crop deaths; Carnism maximises them.
Yeah much less than wild land or grass land and all the crops animals eat. Because farmers defend their land u can murder animals for a taste preference? How sick
Anthony dominated in the debate!
I was under the impression that the girl dominated with all 40 seconds of her contribution to the debate.
if you think that then fk, you are a lost cause.
The quality of the audio is like quality of the vegan diet
The audio is not that good, still a lot better than the vegan diet :D
Vegans emotional and cult like, carnivores calm, relaxed and open
vegans: left-wing/dollars/emotional
carnivores: right-wing/bitcoin/calm
Yeah, when you don't have a conscience, you stay calm in the face of cruelty.
@@petercoderch589 nah, when you deny your body nutrition and indoctrinate yourself into a cult you sound absolutely batshit crazy and noone will listen to you while your body falls apart. If you actually gave your body carnitine instead of denying basic biology like all the other cults do, you'd easily be able to see this. Eat a tasty steak and listen to your body.🥩
I'm a recently retired farmer and I never used pesticides on my forage grass.
Nor did I kill the moles or Badgers.
The majority of my fields were also of unsuitable quality and too steep to use for plant crops.
I don't think my sheep thought they were slaves, and they never complained of rape by my ram.
Thank you for supplying good food to the people and giving your sheep a good life.
On carnivore diet btw but just wondered, how would you know whether they complained of rape by your ram. Surely even if they did, you wouldn’t understand what they’re saying.
@@denizkenger52 it's all down to body language.
@farmer_donny Aa a child I lived for a time on a sleep farm. The ewes and rams would pair up naturally with each other for a few days and go on their way naturally, it was the season for it!
plants don't need to be grown with pesticides. but putting that point aside.
the reality is most animals are factory farmed and crops are grown to feed tens of billions of animals.
you have no valid argument against veganism. not even one.
There's nothing to debate; it's science. We are carnivores. Period.
Its just common sense. What would you eat if you would live in the wild ? Well you would try to hunt animals or fish. Would you really try to go out and find some carrots ? I doubt it, It wouldnt do anything for you. And for fruits you would eat them when they are ripe and thats maybe 1 month a year.
yes
@@crusher1980 You could try to eat raw seaweed but something tells me that would end badly.
Even when I ate meat I never saw an animal and wanted to kill and eat them. Their dead bodies were unappetizing to look at and smell, flavorless without seasonings, inedible without cooking. Meanwhile we can eat plants like fruits without cooking, without any tools, in its natural form. We can see in color because we evolved to look for plants and eat them, our fingers are for grabbing plants, our tastebuds and smell are attracted to plants, not dead bodies. Haven’t eaten meat in 11 years btw, I’ve seen most “carnivores” go back to eating plants within a month.
stop pretending to be a Lion, or you may get KO'd by a vegan
I ate a 80% plant based diet and got so sick I thought I was dying. The doctors could not tell me why. I suffered for 15 years. I tried a carnivore diet 2 years ago out of exacerbation, and withing 2 months most of my acute symptoms went away, and over the last two years, 95% of the chronic symptoms are gone. I have ONE issue left, fatigue, which started while I was eating whole foods plant based. That issue is a complicated one, and may be related to the cov id shot. Otherwise, I look 10-15 years younger than my 62 years, an lift 55 lb dumbbells at 5 reps each arm, and follow it up with running all the rack down to 20. I am stronger than ever. My skin got thicker again. My arthritis is completely gone. GERD, gone. Digestive issues, Gone!.
I eat BEEF, BUTTER, BACON, and Sour Cream.
I will never be vegan. Ever.
I agree with you about sour cream just added it to carnovire diet and it’s amazing with beef.
Try adding magnesium as a supplement, helps a lot with energy and sleep issues. Natural Calm magnesium powder is the best bang for your buck when it comes to magnesium supplementation, IMO.
@@qcriverrat thanks. I'll look into that!
I wish there was a laughing button on here !
@@veganelduderino9392 Laugh at yourself. At 61, I have a body like a 40 year old body builder. Only possible by eating a proper human diet. In 2 years I have completely reversed 15 years of aggravation. Personally, I could care less if you are laughing, because I know that for me it was the right choice. And, while I am an animal food eater, it isn't 100%>. I eat avocado for the fat source, and olives as well. These are plant foods for sure. They are healthy fats and I get a lot out of them, but they could never replace my main diet, Ribeye steak, lots of butter, eggs, bacon, sour cream. Maybe a few blueberries here and there. Those are the only natural sugars I eat. This diet is so easy and sustainable for me. I crave these foods in the same way I craved sweets when I had them. I craved Vegetables too, by the way, but the horrible results of total digestive disasters was enough to make me question that. I never have a bloat, a burp, a fart, or any issues with digestion. My blood work after 2 years is as perfect as can be, and my cholesterol is 2/3 of what it was 2 years ago. My artery scan revealed less arterial calculus in my Aortic Aneurism, and my doctor said I seem healthier than most of his patients. I am hella strong and very flexible. At 220 pounds with plenty of muscle, I started sprinting recently toliminate the visceral fat and that actually is working. I am so amazed.
If you are laughing at the crazed vegans in this video, we are aligned, if you are laughing at me, spare yourself the embarrassment. Come and meet me, and I'll show you why you are making a mistake. Not by being a bully, but, showing you how it has literally changed my life. By the way, I don't count calories, but recently checked on my daily intake. It ranges between 2500 and 4000. If I choose to reduce that, I will become ripped. I only work out occasionally these days because I work a lot, but, my muscles don't waste away as they were before.
Come, let's meet. Tell me about yourself.
I enjoyed this debate I feel the pain as a former vegan so I understood the vegans point but for me I’m now carnivore because being Vegan for 5 years made me so sick
One thing I do know is that I don't want to wind up acting and sounding like these vegans.
veganism is an ethical position. if you valued animals a lot like vegans and there were death camps all around you, and you were powerless to do anything about it, you'd get a little crazy as well.
You have to be crazy to put yourself in the vegan mindset in the first place. @@snivvelslurderagementai2560
I would say the exact same thing about the carnivore doctor.
There are some debates that vegan shouldn't get involved with and this is one
@@moneyhoon5044 You prefer the stance of the fidgety individuals that choose feelings over logic?
You can't get all the nutrients you need from a vegan diet but you can get all the nutrients you need from meat.
as simple as that
Exactly! 🙌🏻
Not even true. But the fact vegans exist disproves that we need to murder animals for survival. If I'm getting all my nutrients as a vegan, why can't you? What's the excuse?
Seems my comments are getting either spam filtered or deleted.
Vegans are living proof that your comment is nonsensical. How am I managing to get all my nutrients but you allegedly wouldn't be able to?
What nutrient can’t u get? Where a single study saying u can’t be healthy being vegans
As someone that was vegan and is know an omnivore and soon to be carnivore, I can confirm that a whole food plant based diet leads to anxiety, depression and joint pain. You wouldn't feed a cat a vegan diet (unless you were a psychopath), so don't force it on humans.
Some vegans do though. 😢 when I was just on my way out of veganism, I was still a member of the facebook groups. Someone made a post asking it it was “vegan” to have a cat.. I responded that I dont care because I feed the stray cats out of kindness and my love for animals. I got so much hate from people saying I care more about cats than pigs and blah blah.. it was crazy! Lol and then when that one youtuber made a video about how he buried his deli sandwich because they accidentally put meat on it? I knew I was making a sane decision lol
@@brip799 Vegans hate humanity. Many of them are part of the ideological climate cult. They would be happy to see humanity extinct if it saved the planet. They don't live in the real world (like all animals do) where killing to survive and preserve your own species is a fact of life.
This dude’s getting nervous his girl’s leaving with Chaffee.
You mean Sweetie? 😂
@user-ek6oq2kx8w Loool that was savage when he called her sweetie.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
KEK 😄🐸👌🏻
I don't think so
I was vegeterian many years. NEVER would I have thrown a tantrum, because somebody else was eating meat at the table.
(as a matter of fact - my husband was eating meat all the time I wasn‘t. He was ok me not eating meat. I was ok him eating meat. That is called tolerant).
How rude these vegans act. Unbelievable!
That's why nobody has an issue with vegetarians 👍.
Go vegan why be an udder sucker or chicken period eater when there is no need and it’s extremely unhealthy. Also divorce your husband unless he goes vegan, stop being such a fence siting push over and do what you know is right.
@@EnchiladaJoethanks for showing how brain dead you are
I would have forced you to eat dairy based ice cream sprinkled with pieces of bacon!
That's coz you're apathetic or a codependent apologist
Cows in a green field are NOT enslaved.
You’re brainwashed if you think the majority of meat consumed is from animals in a field.
You laying golden eggs (paying ridiculous high taxes) for a government that embezzles your tax money is you not being a slave either? You are what you eat. You are a victim if you eat victims. You are unconscious if you eat dead food. Look deeper. John Rose solid food vacation here on RUclips, he is over 65 and healthy as fruit.
Most cows aren’t in a green field they are in factory farms which means enslaved and imprisoned
@@paultishler6013 I don’t know where you live, but I’ve never seen cows in “factory farms”, only chickens and pigs. Cows are ruminant animals, they graze on grass.
@@jack12343 l I’ve in Australia here most cows yes are in fields grazing but that is a minority word wide, the majority off cows are in giant feed lots being fed grains not their natural diet. Watch conspiracy mate on you tube.
Why are vegans always so condisending, smug ad emotional?
I tried watching this but the two children wouldn't let any of the other people finish a statement. Not one single time. Very annoying.
The carnivore was purposefully dodging questions 😂
Carnivore diet invented by babies who don't like vegetables.
@@MammothMorals No he wasn't. He just didn't want to dignify the stupid questions with a response. Those questions were pointless. The only reason the vegans kept throwing them out is in hopes that they can get a "gotcha" moment.
@@antebellum1776 if you think those questions are pointless in a debate about veganism, then you clearly don't understand the philosophy behind veganism.
He only confirmed their "gotcha" by not answering them. If he actually answered with a good response then they'd be speechless. Problem is that there is no good response without making yourself look heartless and cruel, so he just ignores and avoids.
Dr. Chafee class composure during fairly hostile debate
He's a grifter and a meat industry shill.
Good looking fella too 💪 🥩
Pscopaths are calm
Harming others for unnessarry reasons are also the signs of pscopathy.
High rates of pscopathy in the surgery profession as well .
He is my absolute favorite
@@julienfroidevaux1143he’s calm because he is healthy and mentally stable. Unlike most vegans that have meltdowns hourly. He is also very educated
Ughh.. it is painful listening to this debate. The Vegan / Vegetarian arguments are emotion-based and share the same influence tactics that ideological cults use.
Perfect observation.
Agreed!
Nah mate, science. True science. We are frugivores. Species-specific diet is plantbased
Emotion based maybe, because we care about murdered, enslaved, raped animals.
If we were talking about paedophilia or rape of humans, or human trafficking, I'm sure you'd be a bit emotional too.
@@saszablaze1 grow up
You know what's painful? Reading your whiny ass comment.
You know what's more painful?
Being an animal on a farm, exploited and abused for a burger or nuggie.
Anthony Chaffee is so patient. He could keep his cool and answer back so calmly.
Breaking News! Eating vegetables causes emotionally unatable behavior.
I am a human being with a digestive system that has evolved and designed to consume animal meat and fats.
It was always meant to eat meat .
So why not eat it raw?
@@RR_85Clearly it's a possibility, there are some carnivores that prefer to eat it raw, but also... it is estimated that human ancestors began using fire for cooking approximately 1.9 million years ago, according to archaeological evidence found at sites such as Wonderwerk Cave in South Africa. This ability not only allowed them to cook food, which facilitated digestion and increased nutrient availability, but also provided them with warmth, protection, and the ability to scare off predators at night. The use of fire marked an important milestone in human evolution and has significantly influenced our history and development as a species. 😚
Also with a history of short life, yes we evolved eating this but you forget we also lived long enough to spread our seed then nature deleted us
@RR_85 you can
Being plant based for 3 years ruined my health, carnivore now, even stronger, healthier and more vital than ever before.
Me too!!
You did it wrong
@@saszablaze1You can tell me that all you want, but does not change the fact that my health was crippeling, my bloodwork was "fine" but i felt and looked like crap. I took all the supplements, ate ALOT of food(the whole rainbow) and had a so called balanced protein profile, but my body did neither gain weight nor improve energylevels and brainfuction. Now i'm radically changed i have gained a healthy weight, have optimal hormone levels, no bloating and/or gas, my brain is clear and sharp, my teeth remineralized themselfs and regrew, I have energylevels and a stamina/capacity that is through the roof! I feel and look amazing all thanks to a whole food animal and meat based diet.
Happy for you if the diet and lifestyle works for you, it did not for me.
All the best to you and your future☺
@@saszablaze1 How can you possibly do vegan wrong? Maybe the truth is, vegan is wrong for most humans. You realize that in our world, food is species specific. If you told our ancestors to eat vegan, you would likely be their next meal. The vegan argument is dead, and it's trumped by millions of years of cumulative proof.
@@saszablaze1such a bad diet when you need thousand of pills to supplement and hundreds of rules to make it work.
When you eat optimal food aka meat. It's simple. One rule. Eat when you're hungry and until you're satiated.
I’ve been carnivore just over a year now. I lost all that fluid which made me look fat. I lost all the aches and pains which used to slow me down. I’m healthier than my peers. I started eating carnivore after I felt sick from eating lots of plants - which filled me up with fluid😝 My jaw line came back. My youth and strength came back. I sleep so well. You can’t pay me to eat differently.
Exactly the same here. I don't need medication for my type 2 diabetes. It's back to normal.
@@MinistryOfDarkness11 that’s FANTASTIC!😁 I’m so happy for you. It’s a relief isn’t it to know we’re eating in a way which cures diseases!
@@tracey-lu4kx it sure is 👍👍
Is there any other species that are willing to sacrifice the health and wellbeing of their own offspring to save the lives of the species that is the source of all they need to survive and thrive. Vegan are prepared to do this it is sick and twisted dressed up as kind and compassionate.
Caring about other animals and respecting them as individuals is sick and twisted? No, I think you are. Humans thrive on plant based food, it does not sacrifice health or wellbeing at all if actually done responsibly.
Those vegans are a INSUFFERABLE. Why are they refusing to let them finish one sentence.
whys the carnivore not answer a single question
Probably because they think in some way he is correct. Which Anthony is correct.
Their neurological damage from eating plant based!
These vegan woke left people are misinforming public and harming human health knowing it! They don’t really care about animals or our planet! They want to remove all wildlife and replace with human infrastructure! They are harming trillions of animals with their mono cropping toxic plant foods! So much harm, including health of humans. These woke left vegan influencers speaking misinformation will eventually end up in court! They are saying false toxic info, they are lying about what they are saving (which is nothing), and they are harming humans and bothering people under the age of 18 by hanging out in those hang out areas! Parents need to train their family under 18 on how to handle these woke left vegan people from these toxic agendas of veganism
@@sn1per196 He answered every question. Vegans simply don't like the answers or admit that their premise is flawed.
For me, once they compare humans to animals they loose the argument...
agreed.
Well, humans are sentient beings, just as animals are.
@@ruthanna4713 humans are not plants or animals. Plants and animals are human food.
Chaffee did the exact same thing when he applied the appeal to nature fallacy.
@@SweetPotatoTyler no he didn't. Many humans live in the wild. 🤡
The fact that this guy is making an animal and man is the same importance is insane! Good Lord
The vegan guy just says "I dont wanna go down these rabbit holes" everytime he realises it would set him up to lose.
He also says he doesn’t care about the counter-arguments. He keeps trying to get Chaffee to agree with one loaded question so he can harp from the moral high ground. It’s a disingenuous exchange.
and check out how that girl is looking at her debating partner every time he starts to ramble. She's anxious because he's getting exposed.
you can't lose against dumb cruel cavemen, they just always thing they won.
@@Brukner841 you’ve missed a couple of commas. And it’s *think and *they’ve. Dumb caveman huh.
@@KK-lg8uz hahah, the one with no real argument always attacks grammar, it's so predictable.
I'm about thirty minutes in, the vegan pushers have fully strawman'd this as only "ethical treatment of animals" and not focusing on the subject of whether or not the carnivore diet is less healthy than veganism
Exactly, she even mentioned human eat human😂😂😂😂 what an idiot.
Tash Peterson might have another view in her 40s.
Just like so very many of us reformed former vegans.
I used to feel the same as her when I was young. No more.
there are no former vegans, only fad hoppers, you have no idea what nutrition is.
it is sad, but we all know that this is coming. What is worse is that these types will torture their children with their diet and ideology.
On one side you have two doctors. On the other side....you don't have two doctors LOL
All that proves is that the debate was poorly organized.
Why vegans are so aggressive? Why can’t arguments be presented in a polite way?
Malnutrition
@@sebk174 There is something in meat that makes us calm and logical, vegans do not get it as you can see with these two kids.
Or maybe because they’re frustrated with the justification of abuse and murder
Bc they are miserable
lack of animal fat and cholesterol
I'll say it: I thrive on carnivore. Never been healthier or happier.
All these bare ankles are cracking me up.
I think the ultimate question for the vegan/carni debate is: Can you produce all the food you need to be healthy locally?
If you need say 25 different plants from 5 different countries to have optimal nutrition, how is that logical or ethically sustainable? On the other hand, ruminant animals can be raised in many different areas and are an all-in-one nutrition source.
It has been proven that the animal agricultural industry has a larger footprint than the entire global transportation sector combined.
@@moneyhoon5044😅😅😅. Uh, no it hasn't.
@@moneyhoon5044 It hasnt, in fact you can argue that the sequestration of CO2 by grazing cattle makes it completely carbon neutral. And thats just an issue if you believe in the "CO2 is evil"nonsense
I'm carnivore and I buy from a local farmer to prioritize my health AND because I care about the environment and the animals' welfare. I also know my place as a human in nature: we are mostly carnivore, we need meat to be healthy. Are you gonna stop lions from hunting because it's "murder" just for them to be sick? No. Should apply to humans also. Simple solution: buy from local farmers who treat their animals well until slaughter. Also we need cows for the health of soils. No soil health, no life.
Wow those vegans are delusional. Lab-grown meat, even if it was equal quality to animal meat, produces wayyyy more pollution and again, we need cows for soil health so lab-grown meat doesn't matter. It's not a good solution, period. Plus we're gonna make our farmers bankrupt by doing that.
It's really hard to listen to this debate. It's always hard to listen to vegans in debates. They're so aggressive and refuse to learn anything.
Yikes... did they hear about 85% of vegans going into catastrophic health failure within 10 years?
LOL you can't have a natural ecosystem with monocrops.
^this comment needs more likes. Great points
I thrive on carnivore. I'll never eat vegetables again. After a lifetime of insomnia, body aches and IBS, and later in life, restless legs and arthritis pain through the roof, four years ago, I went carnivore, all those issues stopped and my lifetime depression disappeared.
Meat heals.
Vegan is just a starvation fast, yet full of phytotoxins. Plants don’t digest in human stomach acid, but when consumed with animal foods that do, they interfere with the digestion and bioavailability of those animal foods. Plant foods are required to ferment in the gut before they can be evacuated from the body. Plant foods fermenting in the gut provide only 6-9% of the body’s total nutritional requirements - too late in the digestive tract to absorb any suitable nutrition. Animal foods are the only foods the human body needs for optimal nutrition .
So happy you found the food that been healing so many.
You did a elimination diet, clearly something was triggering these reactions, not all the other food groups.
@SocialWriting Yeah, I eliminated grains and vegetables. And I've got several friends that saw my improvements and are now on it and thriving and pain free. What's your point?
I just want to let everyone know that you dont need to use pesticides to "grow hay" lol
To say vegans are insufferable would be the understatement of the century.
"The Secret Life Of Plants" by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird. All Vegans should read.
Ate a whole food plant based diet, no processed food and sugar and little alcohol. I began developing autoimmune symptoms and WBC issues, loss of strength and leaky gut. I am now eating quality animal products and healing and feeling stronger.
You tell yourself that if it makes you feel better. Beware of karma.
My nutritional blood tests showed I had multiple deficiencies on a vegan diet. I really tried. I was convinced by the ethical, environmental, and nutrition claims. I was wrong. I had other issues that needed to be resolved surgically. Plant-based nutrition and bad orthodontic care contributed to the reason I needed these surgeries. Seventh Day Adventists are also responsible for male genital mutilation in the USA and the pseudoscience behind that. It took me four years off and on to overcome my cognitive dissonance. I invested time and energy into a vegan lifestyle. It was hard to be wrong. My blood levels are perfect now. I take no meds or supplements. Steak and eggs. Favorite foods since I was a kid and got talked out of it by well-meaning ignorant people. I’m very sorry to others for promoting veganism. I hurt myself. I hurt others by being wrong. It’s more ethical to eat meat.
Autoimmune symptoms? But not a medically diagnosed autoimmune disease? And there is no medical diagnosis of "leaky gut" . What's wrong with an omnivore diet? I just don't get the extremes. It seems cultish or ED.
@BestLifeMD don't be cheeky. Gut permeability is an observed medical phenomenon.
@@BestLifeMD An omnivore diet makes me very ill. The ONLY way that I feel healthy and good is eating carnivore. It's that simple.
The vegans had NOTHING to say for the last 3rd of the debate. They lost BIG time.
This debate is an example of how stupid plant-based diets will make you. I am embarrassed for these kids.
Just the fact the vegans are wearing matching shirts.... I won't become a vegan
I noticed that, too. Virtue signaling at its best. It’s very cult-like.
😂😂😂
They are a couple I think. Besides, bad argument to distract yourself from being real with yourself. You are what you eat. You eat unconscious (dead) victims. As within so without. Hermetic laws. Metaphysics. Science.
The animal kingdom does not consent to being "food" to humans. There is no sacred contract to justify to kill an animal for food as a human. Your life does not work out? You experience being a victim to "outer circumstances"? You don't understand the Hermetic laws and influence of what you are doing. You are not supported by the frequencies around you cause you don't support them. Humans are supposed to protect animals. Killed animals are not the foundation I'd build myself on. Pork is DEAD LUCK. You eat pork you'll experience dead luck. Simple. Look deeper.
@@spirulina3924 So I should eat dead plants to turn into a plant?
i've vegetarian for almost 2yrs,it ruined my health!i felt fatigue,low energy,not sleeping well,anemia,etc..almost meat now for almost a year,my health regain,rebuilt,and transform into a proper human..meat is the best!period!!!
My grandfather did die in the Holocaust. He was taken to Auschwitz. Another family member was taken to Terezin-Stadt. We lost four on 10/7. The young girls probably were raped and tortured. This isn’t just word play. When these vegan activists make these comparisons, they diminish human suffering from those atrocities. I know. I went vegan years ago specifically because of this kind of emotional manipulation. My health suffered as a result. I became untethered from reality as my body shriveled and my b12 dropped to the level of an ederly grandmother according to one of my doctors. Slavery? Rape? Torture? Abuse? These are strong words. There are legitimate concerns in there. It is humane to treat the animals with respect. I think the fact that humans even can go vegan is admirable and speaks to our inherent goodness. We all want to do the right thing. Sentimentality isn’t the same as morality though. I believed in veganism for a time for false ethical, environmental, and nutritional reasons. Turns out, all vegan claims are false. I know. I trial and errored my way from SAD to vegetarianism to veganism to keto to carnivore and now feel much better. I’m not always as strict. I like the Sapiens approach and Weston A. Price, but predominantly eat steak and eggs. These were my favorite foods as a kid. Different family members warned me against my instincts. Then media, nonsense in school, doctors, and more. As a kid, I just wanted steak and eggs. I had bad outcomes cause I was talked out of following my instincts. I’ll be healing for a long time.
Very good point. Thank u for sharing and I am sorry for your family's loss. I knew & admired a fella that often said "Words mean things" in a reference to how language has been highjacked for an agenda, to manipulate people.
I took countless of supplements and nothing worked for me. My physical and mental health suffered.
Former vegan& animal rights activist here. Im carnivore now. Veganism is a natural, intuitive response to the misguided food policy and industry that has ruled the last 100 years. As such, it is only part of the imbalance and not the solution. When I listen to this girl who considers herself an ambassador of veganism, it is quite clear to me that her approach, her ignorance, her aggression, her cognitive dissonance cannot change the world for the better, but only for the worse. This is by no means a person I would want to follow.
Veganism goes against the biological make up of the human being. It’s very volatile making the person unstable in everything. I’ve been in this trend for two years it was helpful but at a cost. Now I’m carnivore and it’s given me everything I wanted at no cost. I more selfless by being more selfish.
you were never vegan, stop lying.
@@SocialWritingno true Scotsman fallacy
@@SocialWriting You dont know me. Because of my veganism, I lost some good friends for judged them for their way of eating. I have accumulated many problems within the family. But if you think that veganism is something you don't deviate from, then know that this girl in the video ate meat for 23 years. People are changing.
If you aren’t vegan now you were never vegan 🌱.
8 years of exteme depression and suicidal thoughts gone within 8 days of carnivore.
Meanwhile, I see a bunch of vegans plagued with depression and taking antidepression meds.
I'll stick with the proper human diet thank you very much.
How do you explain meat eaters with the same mental health issues cus I was also suicidal myself when I was eating meat 🤷🏻♂️ had 2 attempts myself
How do you explain meat eaters with mental health issues as well cus I was suicidal myself when I was a meat eater back then 🤷🏻♂️ depression can’t be cured by a simple diet fix you can still be eating the healthiest foods and still have depression because it could be related to emotional trauma
@@jeovanniperez3949 you weren't a carnivore. You may have eaten meat, but most of your diet was still plants.
@@asher5722 I ate all the meats even grassfed red meats cus as I said depression isn’t always just a diet fix
what pharma wants 😂 that’s why they be pushing this agenda
The vegan guy never shut up! He thinks more words equals winning the argument. Someone should have limited his talking time!
Its really amazing how gray skined vegans are! Ever since I heard Shawn Baker talking about it once I can not unsee it. Same with old pictures of myself back when I was plantbased. Clear sign - looks like walking dead bodies
shawn baker doesn't exactly look healthy
@@meliora99 He's almost sixty years old, he looks extremely healthy lol
Going carnivore is what improved and/or fully healed the horrible health issues I was struggling with for decades. I initially tried for 4 years to be vegan in hopes to heal things but my health only deteriorated further. Huge mistake. After I switched to being meat based, I reached the best shape I've ever been in my adult life! I'm very grateful to have learned from many EX-VEGANS about the benefits of being meat based. Many of them express regret for the damage veganism did to their health, as well as embarrassment at being so naive and misled before.
thx for sharing
potato diet does the same thing
Yes! Ilasted only 3 years
@@AP-bo1if I’d weigh 300lbs if I could eat my beloved potatoes daily!
@@charlottesmom wrong!
If i wasn't a meat eater before this debate... i sure the hell am a meat eater now.
That’s sad to hear
@troykite3838 Yeah, they were sad to hear... so sad that all they could do was try to manipulate the emotional ideology based on their decisions of what may or may not be "moral"......
@@cattywampusmcdoogle the vegans are there for the animals, the carnivores are there for themselves. The thing is that most meat eaters will contradict their morals, because humans are generally compassionate beings. Hence all the deflection
@troykite3838 The only thing the vegans were correct on when it came to animals (which are food) was the incorrect way the slaughter houses and/or feed lots conduct commercial business. Morals by whose standards? The animals murdering vegans don't get to set their morals as standard for the rest of us... especially if they are going to call us mammals, then they need to accept that carnivores are gonna do what mammals do and that's eat other animals.....
@@troykite3838 if you have children you'll know that carnivores are there for themselves but more importantly for their children. Why do all babies crave mother's breast milk?
The hostility from the vegans is unreal.
I’m seventh day Adventist and have been mostly vegetarian for over a decade and formed an auto immune disease caused by an overload of oxalates in my body. This auto immune disease can turn into cancer if not healed or reversed. Oxalates come from plants. This is when I found the carnivore diet and it saved my life. I have lost weight and gained my energy back, (severe fatigue before) and my auto immune flare up completely go away. When I cheat and have plants, it flares up. I’m only 4 months in so I have a lot of healing to do still but these vegans are so wrong when they say vegans aren’t unhealthy.
Interrupt, misinterpret, lie, repeat.
yep
U have no justification for what u do to animals.
@@veganix6757 I've got a couple, ecosystem's need predators to work and we need meat to be healthy.
@@ryanwellington7493 hahahah. Pity u can’t back your claim with any study. Lair
@@veganix6757my personal justification is Simple some animals were made created to be killed and eaten for our human body's for nutrients and others great benefits.tgats what I believe as a Creationist believer by God. So you do not have to agree, and I do not have to debate in that.because that's what I stand and believe is my justification for kiling some animals not all period. Now I'm not going to debate in this because that will be a waste of my time and yours about my justification.😊
I am one of those patients who has benefited significantly from eliminating plants.
Me too, no inflamtion anymore on my gum and doctors couldnt help me. It really was just by coincidence because I wanted to lose weight / cut for spring/summer and if I cut I usually ate Keto but then came across Carnivore and gave it a shot and then noticed my inflamation/pain was gone.
I really laughed when vegans replied that they don't know any vegan who is sick.
Youre too young to see it in your friends and you are not a doctor. The sickly do not come to you for advice.
@@amitkoren948plus, its a lie because there have been MANY just here on youtube that had tons of followers. Every time it happens the same. They are praised while theyre vegan, the community loves them and follows their “what i eat in a day” videos talking about how GREAT their meals are.. then one day they post and say they are quitting because of one health issue or another and the whole vegan community “cancels” and shames them. They say they are lying, selfish, were NEVER really vegan and the funniest part? That they “didnt do it right” lol. 🙄
Many vegans choose veganism for ‘religious’ reasons. Carnivores choose the way of life for better health.
I've been carnivore for a year now and it's cured my IBS, chronic migraines and depression. I used to believe the likes of Dr Chaffee, Ken Berry and Shaun Baker but thats all changed.... listening to these to two clueless vegans who can't answer a basic question addressing one of their blanket statements has inspired me to become a leaf muncher.
Thank you dr. Anthony Chaffee and dr. Chris Palmer( Brain Energy book). My 30 year old son with AUTISM non verbal, when i stop giving him all those toxic processed foods, and put him on Carnivore diet/18:6 fastisting, he become more focus, actually he looks at me when i talk to him, he does not bite, or hurt himself anymore, and for the first time in 30 years, my son call me MOM❤. And that tells me right there that crapy nutrition so call healthy veganism, was hurting him mentally 😢. Thanks to those awesome doctors, i learn so much from them. God bless you both🤲🤝🙏
I'm so happy for you and your son. May he thrive ❤❤❤
That just made me cry.. sooo happy for you and your son.. God bless you love.. that's the blessing and miracles w love to hear😊❤🙏🙏🙏
I though vaccines caused autism
It's quite an experience when you feel secondhand embarrassment for someone. That's exactly how I felt for two vegans who, despite being poorly informed, were unwavering in their debate. They kept repeating nonsensical points, which unfortunately did nothing to strengthen their case; it was just disheartening to witness.
But not the carnivore who kept dodging questions?
This debate should have included professionals- doctors, not activists who were unprepared and could only repeat the same things over and over. I also think this was a set up. The vegans didn't have the knowledge that could have made this a more fair debate. They were the perfect choice if you wanted a totally biased debate for carnivore diet to be the better one represented.
@TLC717 they choose this . They preach veganism on social media , on the streets , and disruptive protests on businesses . No sympathy for this pair of clowns . They lose all credibility by their actions .
totally agree. THe whole thing was just a mess. The Vegans just came across as hostile, reactionary, and hyperbolic....And why even have 2 literal doctors with considerable professional and life experience have a 'debate' with 2 super-young, highly-idealistic folk that are acting like angry teenagers? It WAS really tiresome and cringe-inducing.
@@MammothMorals Who's a 'carnivore' here?
You can not grow crops without animal byproducts PERIOD.
I'd love to see them have this debate in 50 years.
These young naive kids won't be around in 50 years.
I’ve wanted a debate like this for so long. Great job guys. Anthony killed it and the vegans were quite hostile in the beginning but Anthony’s patience and knowledge carried their argument, truly believe him and his partner won this debate by a landslide.
This is very entertaining, but not very fruitful, as always 😂
@@EzramiconFruitful? That’s very plant based of you.
Anthony is so knowledgeable and patient. Virtues that always win through.
Anthony put on a master class
Wasn't even close tbh . The vegans failed badly
Have been vegan for about 10 years and eaten as 'clean, healthy and diversified' plants as possible. Ended up with lupus symptom, my doc sent me to the autoimmune specialist. I started to
Plan my funeral in my 40's since lupus can kill me anytime ugly. Two month ago I switch to animal based diet. So far no flare up since then
That’s a wonderful story. Well done. 👏
Meat heals.
So glad you were opened minded to try meat. So many have been healed with meat. I read the comments and am overwhelmed with all the healing that is happening to people especially those that were so ill. Thankful
“It's likely that lupus results from a combination of your genetics and your environment.
It appears that people with an inherited predisposition for lupus may develop the disease when they come into contact with something in the environment that can trigger lupus. The cause of lupus in most cases, however, is unknown.
Some potential triggers include: sunlight, infections, medications.”
from mayo clinic. If your doctor said that it’s the plants you eat then you have to change doctors.
Also, being vegan means you’re against animal exploitation, abuse and slaughter. Am i to understand that you are no longer against it?
Eating vegan makes you more sensitive cause you eat less dense food. That's why your symptoms kicked in, your soul communicated to you and you were sensitive enough to receive it. Carnivore "food" is much more dense (slower/lower vibrating energy). Your soul gets suppressed. Sickness/Symptoms is your soul wanting to heal and communicate with you, and symptoms are manifested energy into the physical of what is not in balance within you. You just gonna suppress the topic behind the symptom if you eat dense food but not gonna solve it. Autoimmune disease means you are disconnected from yourself and fighting your true self, your body shows you by turning against itself. With lupus it is often a topic of shame. You are doing something (it can be thoughts, emotions you foster that are actually against you instead of supporting yourself, it can be habits, a career, relationships, a lifestyle etc. ) that destroys yourself and your body is just showing this to you and people call it lupus.
Vegans lost
How to justify breading and killing animals for food? The same way they justify planting and killing plants for food. Something has to die for you to eat. There is no way around it.
There is a way around it, eqt flowers and leaves, technically maybe you could live off those, flowere = broc cauliflower capers artochoke figs chamomile dandelions pineapple i think is a flower, friuts also can be eaten without killing animals avocado olives etc are all friuts, i cant eat most of theae cause i have histamine intolerance so have to go carnivore to heal in order to go flower based hmm
@@SciSciToys Also milk and honey. Wouldn't you agree?
Yep... it's unfortunate, we live in a predacious universe and everything is consciousness, as consciousness is fundamental. And even if you are a realist, they've proven scientifically that plants have sentience and call out, react, etc to threats. 🤷♀️ there is just no way around it all...
One thing I'm really surprised didn't get brought up is that lions and wolves don't feel bad when they kill animals to feed themselves, because that's what they were designed to do, so if animal meat is the optimal source of food for us as well, why should we feel bad?
Just noticed I'm only halfway through, so hey maybe it is said, but I don't think I can get through the whole thing. Vegans are exhausting
I cancelled my diabetes 2 in June by going carnivore. I have never felt better in my life. I am 80 now and sitting here, I feel like I am 20 again.
Congratulations, so did my uncle!
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You won’t last 4 months with that diet
@OnesFan1 I'm over a year carnivore. Dr Anthony Chaffee is 10 years, Dr Ken Berry is years in, Dr Shawn Baker is 20 years Carnivore. Many other people are years in too. Much healthier, more grounded mentally and stronger than your average vegan.
@@OnesFan1 I've been on it over a year
When we were vegan i became diabetic because its not stable for blood sugars to eat plants all day.
After nearly 40 years as a pescatarian, I’ve been a carnivore for a month now. All my stomach problems are gone, and I’m looking forward to better health.
Are we sure that Jack isnt a murderer himself? He ALWAYS brings up killing human beings and comparing it to killing animals.. its not the same thing.. he has no valid points.. just trying to guilt trip people.. Tash and Jack, you are both not informed enough to have a debate like this…
Giving me psychopath vibes. But he's a cuck to her.
Must be so painful to be like that.
Compassion and empathy are important strengths. That allow for understanding and respect.
I see everyone as fellow humans and with fight to the death for free will and because of that I would never tell them what to eat or wish them harm and expect the same. .
I have seen some vegans thrive but ultimately have some issues and others go down hill fast. I will always extend an olive branch and see if I can help.
Ethics are important but if you sure not optimal and healthy you cannot have a positive impact on the world. For humans to exist animals have to die. For them both to be on this show animals have died. Us being here results in animals and insects and even other humans dying. We should all be conscious of that.
It's the hate in their eyes towards the carnivores. So unhealthy. Hatred poisons the hater. We are falling for divide and conquer tactics all the time. No one is asking why after all the cancer research money raised the chance of getting cancer has increased. Why new vegan processed foods are so unhealthy the same if not worse than processed foods.
We are all in this together and should be trying to reverse all the manipulation, instead of infighting we all need to look up
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They’re simply more ethical . Sorry , vegans are just more ethical cut and dry. You can exact all the gymnastics, over - articulate cause-sided studies/ analysis ( like our doctor friend). End of the day, one group is voting for bullying/violence/ oppression while the other votes for peace/equality.
They did ok but no they're not informed enough
Both camps cherrypick because they have agendas to push.
They're both wrong if we are talking optimal diet.
Raw plantbased "vegan" diet is the only one we should be eating..
It takes transition
My justification is that I am the top of the food chain. Are these people mad at Lions for eating antelope?
Not mad but I do see an ethical problem.
Do you think it's morally preferable for antelopes (with the capacity for feeling and suffering) to get torn to shreds alive, rather than not?
@skeej_ I don't think morals come into play with regards to the lion and antelope scenario. But as humans, we can think morally, a trait that has developed over time. This is why we don't tear animals apart and start to process them while they are still alive. Most if not all of the carnivores or animal based eaters I know do source their animal products from reputable ethically driven farms.
@@tracimiller3702 I'm just asking if you find the scenario where the antelope gets ripped to shreds alive morally preferable to one where it doesn't happen, all else equal. Should be a yes/no answer.
To help you along, think from the antelope's perspective. Does it matter to them what or who causes the tearing to shreds?
@skeej_ No... I don't think it matters because just like the lion... the antelope does not think morally. That 8s the difference between humans, today, and wild animals.
@@tracimiller3702 you're still not tracking sadly. I'm giving up.
Impossible to debate when you believe humans are on the same level of animals.
Maybe you can answer Jacks question then. What's the trait that humans possess that animals do not, that justifies sending animals to slaughterhouses?
@@chrishyde5903name the trait is just a way to derail into ridiculous hypotheticals try again
@@Assassin99584 'Name the trait' (NTT) serves as a crucial inquiry in discussions concerning veganism and animal rights. It acts as a thought experiment, challenging the moral justifications for differential treatment between humans and animals, particularly evident in industries like animal agriculture where animals are slaughtered for food.
NTT prompts individuals to scrutinize their ethical beliefs, compelling them to articulate a specific trait that would morally justify the disparate treatment of humans and animals. By doing so, it encourages deeper reflection on the moral status of animals and the consistency of ethical principles guiding our actions.
When individuals dismiss NTT without engaging with its underlying philosophical premise, it risks sidelining crucial ethical considerations. NTT is firmly established within ethical discourse, compelling us to confront the implications of our actions towards animals and the moral frameworks that justify them.
Should someone choose to disregard NTT without providing reasoned counterarguments, it may indicate a reluctance to confront the ethical complexities of human-animal relationships. Encouraging further dialogue and exploration of these ethical issues is essential to foster a deeper understanding and empathy towards all sentient beings.
WOW..JUST WOW...I will keep eating my MEAT! ❤ Dr. Chaffee!
Enjoy!
Just wait when the vegans learn that plants are also living.
Haha, but they're not sentient beings, though
it's about sentience dude
@@peterhoatson Read The Hidden Life of Tree. They are sentient.
@@meganb3739 I was joking. I was parodying the vegans and their main point of conjecture
ye bud stepping on grass is the same as cutting a pigs head off totally dont hurt the grass its living! bahaha
Dr Chaffee knocked it out of the park!! 💥
Oh my goodness, what a circus! My head is spinning from the redundancy in the responses from the vegan side, it seems it is more important for them to be right than to debate the issue.
I went to a whole plant based diet and years later my health was so much worse. I ended up tired beyond belief, I had so much joint pain that there were times I couldn't walk. Although I ate a 'carefully planned', 'well balanced', 'cooked from scratch' plant based diet, I ended up beside myself with how unwell I was. Thankfully, there are Drs like Dr Chaffee who have the courage to highlight the deficiencies in a plant based diet. As a side note, during the years I only ate plants, I never identified as a vegan as I often found those who did call themselves vegan seemed to have forgotten how to speak kindly to and about others who have different preferences to themselves.
My story exactly.
Me too. Vegans made me reluctant to be vegan. At times, I got obnoxious. I was scared because of my health issues and wanted others to validate me while I was making my health worse. So embarrassing. 🙈
Me too, same so I get really angry with this 2 vegans talking with no brains.
O my God they're murdering plants. And in return, the plants are killing them.
😂😂😂
Plants aren’t sentient, no plants are killing me you sound ridiculous.
Well, by all means, keep eating them! I was vegan for three years, was pale, weak and sick. I feel amazing now, and will NEVER eat veggies again.
Awesome
Well said 😂😂😂
Dr Chaffee hands down gave the best arguments
Vegans think winning an argument is by shouting loudest.
How embarrassing for these two vegans.
wrong
Yes they are embarassing. Your vegan you also kill the plants so you can eat.
not really; they smashed anthony to bits.
I agree, it's embarrassing to continue trying to reason with willful ignorance.
@@saszablaze1 It must be opposite day. Either that or you're just living in an upside down world. In no way did they "smash anthony to bits."
Their entire line of argumentation was nothing but one logical fallacy after another.
Anserine
Choline
Carnitine
Creatine
Carnosine
Heme iron
Arachidonic acid
Docosahexaenoic acid
Conjugated linoleic acid
Eicosapentaenoic acid
Taurine
Retinol
D3
Menaquinones
B12
…
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Every nutrient you listed is classified conditional essential nutrient other than b-12 and my b-12 levels came back at 951 and I’m vegan
and god knows how many more nutrients we don't know about
@@jeovanniperez3949 Enjoy your future autoimmune disorder.
@@jeovanniperez3949 it’s not because your body can make some of those nutrients from precursors that you actually can make enough or even have enough of the precursors and for example some of these like the omega 3 fatty acids, those are the actual essential ones, and some people can not convert enough of the precursor ALA in these acids, which is quite well documented in the literature on the subject.
Very good