Hoshimachi Suisei “Still Still Stellar” Reaction + Analysis | 'Murder Voice'
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Aussie Ravenclaw challenges HoshiBoss Suisei('s music)... and (spoiler but not really) bends the knee. Musician's Drinking Game edition.
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0:00 Context
8:58 - 1. Stellar Stellar
└ 24:02 Deep dive (second listen)
└ 39:02 That pre-chorus
└ 45:58 musical hermeneutics... yea
└ 55:37 Lyrics (third listen)
1:05:15 - 2. Next Color Planet
└ 1:15:03 Lyrics (second listen)
1:19:33 - 3. 天球、彗星は夜を跨いで
└ 1:28:27 Lyrics
1:32:21 - 4. Ghost
└ 1:42:58 visuals (second listen)
1:52:10 - 5. バイバイレイニー
1:59:20 - 6. 自分勝手Dazzling
2:10:53 - 7. Bluerose
2:18:08 - 8. comet
2:27:08 - 9. Andromeda
2:37:52 - 10. Je t’aime
2:44:16 - 11. Starry Jet
2:51:54 - 12. 駆けろ
2:59:12 final thoughts + Wish list
Suisei Channel: / @hoshimachisuisei
Other Hololive reactions + analyses: • Amane Kanata “Song of ...
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![Tsukkomi Bingo - Hoshimachi Suisei Sakura Miko Shirakami Fubuki Oozora Subaru [hololive / eng sub]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/8jHs94UZXJ4/mqdefault.jpg)
UPDATE: I just pre-ordered Suisei's 'Stellar into the Galaxy' blu-ray. Fellow Hoshiyomis, yoroshiku onegaishimasu!
do you have a patreon? i want to make a request for you to review Ayunda Risu's song, Alice&U especially. Man you gotta listen to her, she is a literal monster of vocal range.
That was fast! I watched it when it was streamed live and thoroughly enjoyed it, and I hope you can enjoy it too when you get your blu-ray!
@@timmyZert Welcome to the club :)
Nice. You'll get to witness two equally talented guests in her live. AZKi also from Hololive and Inui Toko from Nijisanji.
Welcome to the sui-chan's black hole.
RC: "I'm not a hoshiyomi!"
Crowd: "SHE'S A HOSHIYOMI~!!!"
9:07 "I'll try not to pause too much"
10 sec in the first song: *Pause
Perfect, great start xD
as expected from suisei xD
Didn't she also say that she drunk twice per 12 song album on average? Because it was also three drinks in one song.
Suisei never fails to impress.
The beginning to that song is legendary to be fair
"It's so worth it because it's suisei" Is the mantra of every Hoshiyomi lol
"Ok guys let's get into it"
*First 10 seconds plays*
"sigh" *takes a shot*
To be expected
The second I saw ravenclaw I immediately clicked on this video, I’m a loyal hoshiyomi and this makes me super super happy!
same, I’m so happy
yep a long waited reaction
same here ☄☄☄
Fun Fact 1: She Wrote, Produced, and Asked a Fan if they could make an MV because she didn’t have enough money at the time for her first Original Song “Comet” (this was before she joined hololive)
Fun fact 2: Suisei Designed and made her 2D model before she joined hololive and was given the redesign we all know and love today
yeah the issue with comet is money, its expensive to make a song, moona shared about how expensive it is to make a song let alone a full MV and she was an indie starting i cant imagine the struggle but im glad she didnt gave up
Suisei was the first holomem that made me realize "oh they're *artist* artists", she really made me respect the talent and drive a lot of the girls have to make the things they do. I'd recommend checking out Tokoyami Towa's work too, "my roar", "Pallette" and "Error" are standouts for me in her discography
Korone's "Doggy god street" also rocks, and she's genuinely one of the most talented and sharp comedians I know of, not just among streamers but in general
Hololive has lots of those. You can feel that with a lot of them, they can be Giants with the right opportunity and focus. They have sparks of success. It's like looking at ensemble cast before they become famous. Not gonna be surprised if quite a few of them become household names further down the road.
The first that come to my mind of talented artist are azki, sora, suisei and calliope
Don't forget Risu and her Alice&U
@@gilangignasraharjo6138 Risu one is low-key a pity cuz her talent is there but iirc her irl circumstances hold her back from being among the ones that come to mind when it comes to hololive originals
【3D LIVE】Selfish of a Rough Stone is masterpiece
to be honest all her 3D Lives are super good
I'd recommend that you watch "The Story of Hoshimachi Suisei" at some point. It's a bit old, and the translation isn't great, but it details the early struggles of Suisei's life as a VTuber before and shortly after joining Hololive. It really puts her current success into perspective.
I will second this suggestion. It is a bit old but still quite informative.
yeah it’s a good summary
Despite some poor translation, it really is a well constructed journey of Suisei the vtuber.
It maybe old but still brings a tear to my eyes
Agreed definitely worth the watch
Taku Inoue has another song with Suisei called 3:12, and they have a duo project together called Midnight Grand Orchestra with another song called SOS (and a full EP on the way). Another Hololive artist I think you'd like is Tsunomaki Watame. Her album Watame no Uta Vol 2 has 11 songs she released last year, as she was finding herself musically through different genres (and they should all have music videos with subtitles, I believe).
"My Song" is probably the one with the most personal meaning to her, like Comet, Tenkyuu and Next Color Planet are for Suisei. Comet was her very first song, Tenkyuu was the last song she was going to release before she quit Vtubing, and NCP was her first song as a part of Hololive in early 2020. She actually had to stop using a higher pitched voice and switch to her normal one in order to save her throat
A third is Omaru Polka, who has 4 songs that show her different sides. In release order: Hologram Circus (fun and outgoing; there's a short and long version), Po (chaotic and shitposty), Everblue (probably one of the darkest Vtuber songs, about loneliness, isolation, and depression, the sides people don't normally see), and Pastel Tea Time (which is super cute). All have subtitles on their MVs except for Po
Heresy on Polka's Po song. Why didn't they put subtitles on the lyrical masterpiece Po? The lyrics just pierces your heart with so much emotion. That your head or brain will have contemplate and analyze the message being given. Oh man.
don't forget Towa album too
its amazing to listening towa voice and personality on her song
Take Inoue should get more listens too - the guy is a Anisong Producer Legend notably known for his work on the Idolm@ster series such as Pon De Beach, Radio Happy, and Hotel Moonside but has also worked on various Bandai Namco games like Tekken. His other song mentioned (3:12) is a great song and his song with Hololive English Member, Mori Calliope is a amazing song as well.
Polka actually has a fifth song! PERSONA was released alongside Pastel Tea Time as an EP, but it doesn't have a music video yet. It's also my favorite of her original songs, by far.
Dont forget Tokino Sora and Azki
'suisopath' is just a meme, based on clips from her project winter collabs with other hololive members where she was ruthless in killing the other hololive members.
At that time she wasn't a part of Hololive, but of a sister branch (Inonaka Music).
It is a meme, but one Suisei is aware of and seems to view mostly positively (she mentioned talking about showing of her psychopath side in Hololive Alternative with the staff, one of her membership emotes is an axe).
"I won't pause unless i absolutely have to"
Paused immediately after Suisei hit her with that note in Stellar Stellar lmao.
I also have a deep analysis on the last song "Kakero" or "Run" in my blog, but unfortunately it's in Indonesian. It's my most favorite song in this album. Here's a recap for my analysis.
1. What's crazy about this song is that this song is almost 99% on tension. It's even unclear whether it's a major or a minor key for the first minute, because the song hasn't hit the "home" yet. We only feel the home within the chorus for a split second, during the chord progression IV - III - vi, where the vi is the actual home. Then, the song immediately runs away from the root yet again.
2. Then, the bridge is suddenly in the major relative. Wait what, is this the actual home? As she keeps running and running TO the actual home, the music fades away and it's only her voice... it suddenly went back to the beginning of the song. Then, she keeps running again until the end of the song, which leads to an uneasy and unfinished ending.
3. This song actually makes sense even if you put the whole song in loop, which makes the song even more addicting. It felt like it's an unending journey where you keep rooting Suisei no matter what it takes.
4. Another weird thing about this song is that, how should we supposed to feel about this song? Do you feel happy, or sad? It's like an uncanny valley between happy and sad. It feels like we want Suisei to chase her destination, and stop her at the same time. The more you listen to this song, the more conflicting this song feels like.
5. So, what's her destination? Maybe her dream, or something? Since the song is mostly in F minor, it gives the song the "depression" vibe. When the bridge hits, it changes to Ab major, which gives the song the "funeral" or "death" vibe, despite being a major key. So, the actual home in the bridge is the place where she gave up (I describe this part as "suicide", which might be too harsh for some people)? It turns out that she refuses to give up, then the rests are explained in point 2. Therefore, in the beginning, it felt like she's running towards her dream. During the bridge, she's running TO her "home" (a.k.a. death). But she refuses to give up, and she keeps running AWAY from her suicide.
Therefore, to answer your first question, "is it running to something, or running away from something"? The answer is both of them. This songs describes 3 drastically different situation of "running" with a simple and repetitive song, yet it's struggling to be a simple song, but forced to be one. The first part feels happy, because Suisei is chasing her dream. The bridge part feels sad, because Suisei gives up. The second part feels... idk. Is struggling to run away from suicide, a happy thing to celebrate? It's certainly better than suicide, but it's definitely not a happy situation.
Now, if you listen to this song twice in a row, that does not feel good at all. It's like watching a movie with the spoiler that a character will die in the future. Even if it's a happy scene, it's hard to ignore what you know in the future. But at the same time, this is also the last time you might be happy with her. You don't want to waste your precious time for something that has not happened yet. It's so disorientating.
This is why, in my opinion, this song is the best of this album. It's does not need crazy harmonization to be complex. A lot of people associate "complex arrangement" as fast, intricate, and hard pieces such as from Chopin or Liszt, but people often forget that simpler pieces have different kind of complex.
P.S. I have listened to this song a couple hundreds time before making this analysis. It's still a mind blowing experience to listen to this song, even after hours and hours of listening and analyzing. I haven't even read the translation of the lyrics, but it does really show that music is a language, and it can transfer ideas and feelings without even knowing what she said.
yknow this is the good shit when you see that the entire vid is 3 hours long and you see Stellar Stellar taking up a whole hour lol
Edit: definitely check out more Taku Inoue songs, the mans a legend. (theres another Suisei song with him titled "3:12" and check out his collab with Calliope Mori as well titled "Yona Yona Journey")
Also tenkyuu has a really special story because it was all produced by suisei herself. she did everything herself and this was around the same time she was thinking about quitting vtubing.
Yup, Tenkyuu was born as her last song, then she was picked up by INNK music just in time.
Didn't tenkyuu lyrics get created first? But then she decided comet is a better first original?
@@samlim7963 yeah, according to Sui-chan, Tenkyuu is made first before comet. But comet was released first
Tenkyuu is basically her last straw, if she failed she will give up on vtubing, but the rest was history
Dang I didn't know this, I knew that tenkyuu was special to her but not in this way
Comet kinda embodies the past. Suisei started out like many idols do, pitching her voice _way_ up and pinching her nasals off to sound "pure, young, and cute" just like in Comet because _that's what idols do_ . It's common for both talents and viewers to cringe when they go back and watch their early streams or debuts, but early Suisei streams give me physical pain and actually make me sad knowing how much she's torturing herself to fit the stereotype. It eventually got to the point that she actually had a stream where she directly apologized to the fans and told them she physically couldn't fake it any more and would start using her more natural register (though she still whips out that voice to be a goof occasionally), and like many Hololive talents that have similar deeper voices, I feel like that's when she really took off; not only was she literally in less pain and thus a better personality, but it made her stand out from the "cookie cutter cuties." That built confidence in her deeper tones, and resulted in the glory you hear from her today. Well, not _today_ , because as I type this she's currently on break from having surgery on her nose and throat due to the same condition she was aggravating by being squeaky; I can't imagine the damage she would've caused with another couple years of it.
See also Nekomata Okayu, who sings relatively rarely (I recommend her Yona Yona Dance cover; originally sung by a male voice, and good heavens does it fit her tone) but went through a massive crisis of confidence during her early days because she was sure everyone would be put off by her deeper voice and honey-thick accent in the world of idols until her fans buried her in enough love to finally convince her otherwise. During her 3rd anniversary stream the company put together some videos sent in by Okayu's own heroes, and when Japan's equivalent of Pewdiepie said "I love your voice" she _literally_ screamed and it sounded like she almost tipped her chair over sideways. While the Hololive community _definitely_ has its lows (usually related to "Japanese idol culture"), I absolutely adore the highs that come from the support fans give the talents.
I love how when you explain that 3 times would be max for 1 album and I'm there like "Really? Would she even pass Stellar Stellar? xD" And I was fricking right lol. 3 times and it's just the 1st song. It's also great that you have chills at the exact same time as me even though I watched Stellar Stellar like the nth time xD.
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INOTAKU and Suisei has just created a composer-singer unit name "Midnight Grand Orchestra" under Toy's factory major label. Their 1st mini album "Overture" will be release on the 29th July 2022 (6 songs). You can jump on the HYPE train with us this time~
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Tenkyuu is a song released at the darkest time of Suisei career where she was an independent Vtuber not recognized anywhere and this is the song that altered the course of this beautiful comet. Suisei herself admit that this song is her favorite song because without this song blowing up, Suisei would have given up and there would never be this shining comet.
And your interpretation of her "blue color" cures depression is totally correct because I have lost counts of how many times I'm cured by her positive streams and songs.
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All other tracks are fillers and proceed to play GHOST of all songs xD OH the comedic timing xD FYI: GHOST is a song she sang to defy the world as they often discriminate Vtubers, make fun of, and disregard everything just because of the "Vtuber" thing despite her putting so much efforts into what she does. She also thinks that Vtubers kind of exist but also not in the real world just like ghosts.
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In Jibunkatte Dazzling she danced throughout the MV and she also perform this dance LIVE on stage in her 1st solo concert. This song is supposed to portrait Suisei's sexiness and they definitely achieve that~
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I like the fact that you spot out the vocal difference in "Comet" as this is her 1st release original song and listen to this, we can see that she has come a looong way as an artist (from trying to ditch out high notes to completely know where her strengths and limits are and play around it).
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If you want Suirap, I HIGHLY recommend "Capsule" which is an original song she collab with Mori Calliope and she caught fire in that song.
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The Blu-ray for her 1st solo concert is now available and will be shipped on the 29th of July 2022. In this concert, she performed ALL the song LIVE and with choreography! She also featured 2 bonus collab original songs which are GREAT!! (18 tracks in total) I HIGHLY recommend watching this concert!! You can order overseas: www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/HOXB-10006?s_ssid=e448666292655e8151
Sasuga Hoshiyomi, promoting her Oshi's merch at anytime like Suisei.
Additional info for others, In this concert she performed Comet in a midnight Jazz version.
Toys factory*
Will write a longer response later, but quickly - I pre-ordered the blu-ray! woooo
did i just watch 3 hours of suisei reaction without realising it was 3 hours long LOL
love ths every detail and it does not feel like 3 hours to me.
*PAUSE*
"OHhhhhh .... I'm never gonna get through this song am I....?"
I love you so much Ravenclaw, thanks for your vids. I'm a goofy music girl and your in depth dives are very detailed and I learn a lot from them. Thank you for your content, I wish you all the best, and if you have the time and will all of Hololive as you know are really good, best wishes on your journey!!
Yaay thank you for your kind words (I know this is a really late reply) and very happy to see a fellow music nerd/Hololive fan here!
Wow didn't expect to see someone react and analyze Suisei's first album this comprehensively! Appreciated all of the insights we're getting from someone with musical knowledge on Suisei's stuff. I'm a massive Suisei fan myself after first hearing her sing on her Sheena Ringo-only karaoke back on early/mid-2020. Then RUclips recommendations took care of the rest.... ((wall of text incoming))
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IMO she very much could held her own singing live - as many have said, her most recent 1-hour long free live concert "Selfish of a Rough Stone" is proof of that. Would love to see you react and/or analyze that performance as well! A spoiler for you, but in there she sang "Kyoumen no Nami", Houseki no Kuni anime's OP theme ;) (she stated on one of her streams that she's a fan of HnK). If you didn't have time for that, my personal favorite that shows her vocal prowess on her karaoke streams would be her singing Sheena Ringo's "Tsumi to Batsu", and also Aimer's "Kataomoi" where she pretty much have to sang 2/3's of the song acapella because of internet problems. Both of these have already been clipped, so you could listen to them on their own.
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Aside from her covers, for original songs other than what's on this album, she has two new songs she released recently for her EP (Template and Wicked (ft. Calliope Mori)). She also has 2 other songs that's probably went under most of the newer fan's radar, which is "Pieces" where she sang for bilibili and also "Now on Space", a theme song for her discontinued radio program. Both of these has no official release I believe, but you could find clips of these too.
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Other than that she also did one original songs each with AZKi (of hololive JP, song title "The Last Frontier"; IMO both of them are my top 2 singers in holoJP), Calliope Mori (holoEN's resident rapper, song title "CapSule"), and Inui Toko (of Nijisanji, song title "Out of Frame"). She's also Taku Inoue's singer for his major debut (song title 3時12分 or "Sanji Juunihun"), and finally a duet with Natsushiro Takaaki (composer of "Bluerose"; song title "Ao Yori Gunjou"). She's also releasing a mini-album of 7 songs this July with Taku Inoue as a unit called "Midnight Grand Orchestra". You could already hear one of them as it's already released (titled "SOS"). There's actually an interesting story about how these two got to work together; you could find this clipped and subbed in English as well!
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Also appreciated that you don't hold back on your feelings (e.g. on comet) so we knew you're trying to analyze them objectively! As people on the comments already said, comet was her first original song that she released back on her indie days, so I guess it's understandable that it's still pretty much rough on the edges. Fun fact, she now can't (or probably won't) sing it on it's original arrangement anymore since it's too straining for her voice. If there's any salvation for this song for you, she re-recorded comet and released them as three remixes for pre-order bonuses when her album was released - the midnight jazz remix, Taku Inoue remix, and Tekina remix. Unfortunately they're no longer available (by legal means at least), though she did sang the jazz remix on her 1st solo live concert so maybe you could buy its blu-ray that is releasing this July~
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Finally my personal recommendation for another member of hololive for their songs is Omaru Polka. I feel like her OG songs went under a lot of people's radars, the 4 MV (+1 released song that doesn't have an MV) that she has is really diverse and IMO she's also one of the few that knew how to use her vocals to great effect, especially emotionally. A personal favorite of mine is "Everblue" which carries very dark/heavy theme, and if I am correct she drew the themes from her personal experience too. Anyway, can't believe I basically wrote a wall of text on a youtube comment section, not even sure if anyone would read this in full, but thanks for your time on that! 😅
Suisei has actually discussed the reason why she wrote Ghost! It’s apparently about the way people judge and ignore vtubers before even watching them or getting to know who they are, almost like a ghost. Also, about Comet - it was suiseis very first song released back during her independent days, so it makes sense that it seems rougher compared to the others. I also recommend listening to Template - its MV and lyrics is packed with so much stuff to analyze. I really hope you dive into more of suisei’s music!
I watched the entire 3 hours without skipping a single second.
Very very cool analysis about the instrument and her vocal.
As a fellow hoshiyomi I would love to see you react to her latest 3D live, or her karaoke stream.
And also don't worry about her being a psychopath it's just a joke that runs very deep in the community.
I would also love to see you react to her other content like gaming (she is absolute monster in every game she plays)
already planned for future, but rc asked to go into some other talents first to create some diversity, so she ll do story of suisei and then go into sora next. doubt it ll be recorded for utube though. better join discord if you want to watch along.
If you want to know more about Suisei there's a really good video about her called The story of Hoshimachi Suisei.
Also her concerts "STELLAR into the Galaxy" (which is celebrating the album) and "Selfish of a rough Stone" (which has some covers and new songs, including one of the most impressive execution of vibrato I've ever heard) are amazing as well
Hoshiyomis advanced guide. Great video.
Sorry I can't hear Stellar Stellar without Miko meme's voice anymore
Really appreciate the effort you went through putting this together (even though I have no background in music so it mostly went over my head). I think you did a great job explaining the musical terms to someone like me who knows next to nothing. It's always nice for me to get an inkling of what goes into the songs and know that there's something to back up my general preference for her songs and covers.
Also, I wanted to recommend her self-cover of comet with acoustic accompaniment which I also admit that I like more: ruclips.net/video/_gU1PhocrEA/видео.html This is from recordings of a music radio show that she did for a while - that channel has a playlist of songs she covered during the radio show as well.
Now I'm curious about how many views Suisei's appearance on The First Take is gonna direct here.
Ayunda Risu's part of "RUclips Music Weekend" from early May would be a great shout to listen to, I would rate her up with Suisei as one of the best Vtuber Vocalists out there, her vocal control is incredible, she sings her own song "Alice & U" along with various other Hololive Member's songs.
She also really likes to flex by making the decision to never (to my knowledge) use Reverb in her Karaoke, and let her pure vocals do the carrying
yes Risu and Moona next please they are amazing singers
Once you said you'd be drinking every time you're impressed, my brain went: "Oh no. She doesn't know... Poor girl isnt gonna make it past the first song" lol
Glad to see another Hoshiyomi join the club. Welcome :)
lmao I have learnt my lesson
Wow i never really paid too much attention to her lyrics but in Stellar Stellar she's talking about how depressed she was for a long time. She hated waking up in the morning and having to suffer over and over but now she's finally achieving her goals. Damn. I like Suisei more everytime i listen to her
A really cool analysis. Ghost is about being famous, while being invisible at the same time. A Ghost if you will. People see you, but you are not real to them. A Vtuber from a rivaling company once claimed that Ghost reformed how JP Vtubers see their music.
When you reacted to Ghost, you asked who they can tell. Some do reveal intimate details bourt themselves. For example some came right out of the closet to their fans.The talents say technically they can privately tell anyone (its not like they are in the CIA anyway) Most tell parents, close friends etc. They cannot use the Hololive Character to promote stuff, without company involvement. Think about it like this. Mark Hamill is allowed to say and promote anything he wants. But Luke Skywalker belongs to Disney. Suisei can therefore not reveal herself in public. And no matter how much the company may be on your side, if it where to be revealed, that you gave information (purposefully) about others to 3rd parties, you would likely be out. (However any talent that left of their own accord, got supposedly offered to take the character with them. Its not like fans would accept a replacement anyway.
You said that you saw Aki Rosenthals musical. I love Suiseis singing, but in that my highlights where Aki dancing and that one Vibrato Amane Kanata does.
Would you be willing to react to Suisei recent live concert? ruclips.net/video/RDHf9Tmdvpk/видео.html
Its save to react to and full on live singing for 1 hour.
It's objectively not true that they cannot reveal themselves. Calli is the obvious example(go look for Demondice). The key is just that when she's on her other channel, she isn't allowed to connect herself to Hololive. There are a number of reasons a vtuber wouldn't want to identify themselves publicly but the agency isn't preventing this.
@@thejerg you wrote exactly my point though. They can not reveal themselves in public=revealing their Hololive Persona. Which is what i wrote. Also it is generally accepted courtesy in the VTuber community, to not post real identities under the VTuber-related content. (Unless the Vtuber themselves does it)
@@thejerg First off, bad form bringing up DD, but Calli kind of proves the exact opposite of your point. Neither character can associate themselves with or acknowledge the other, lest she violate her contract. Its not like Calli can openly reveal her identity away from hololive, nor can her IRL identity claim to be with Hololive. The only reason the connection was made is that fans recognized her voice because her voice was distinctive enough for her to be recognized, the niche she filled in the music scene making it even more obvious. At the same time she cannot even deny the connection if someone brings it up, all she can do is tell people to stop talking about it and ban people that don't. Its an open secret, but not because Calli is allowed to do it. Its because she doesn't have a choice.
@@UrzaWeatherlight Imagine being so ignorant of how DD/Calli feels about things to try to say that anything I said was bad form. And no, she is as open as she can be that she's the same person as her "persona" at hololive. I believe her exact quote from a recent live stream was "please just don't be weird about it". You're being weird about it. Yikes.
@@thejerg Yes I am aware how she feels, at least as far as she has publicly revealed. Like I said, open secret. That doesn't mean it isn't bad form to bring it up in the middle of a topic to try an make a point, ignoring the fact that it doesn't make the point you were hoping it would. People knowing their alt identity is not the same as them being allowed to share their alt identity. Thats the point I was making.
Suisei Recommendations for your wishlist:
Jazz: Saga Jihen (Cover)
Rock: Template (Original)
Trap+hiphop+kpop(???): Wicked (Original) and CapSule (Original, on mori calliope's channel)
Just Flexing her vocal superiority seriously if you havent heard this youre missing out: Superfly Kakusei (From her live concert Selfish of a Rough Stone)
General Hololive Music Recommendations (Most well known for their musical talent):
Mori Calliope
Hoshinova Moona
Hoshou Marine
Ayunda Risu
Minato Aqua
Tokoyami Towa
Amane Kanata
Azki
Tsunomaki Watame
Tokino Sora
Irys
That's not everyone, just those I could list off the top of my head for having great original songs. There are many more covers and originals to discover
As you were noticing the different voice she had in some of the songs, that's because they were originally created years prior and then included in this album to fill it out.
Comet was her earliest breakout in 2018
天球、彗星は夜を跨いで was originally released in early 2019
Next color planet early 2020
Ghost was early 2021
The album itself was released later half of 2021.
Just wanted to drop a 2nd comment, this one on GHOST (Though I'm sure there are several others who talked about it already)
To Suisei... GHOST is a song about her frustrations with entertainment/pop culture, and how she was feeling like all of her efforts and work were being brushed aside by everyone simply because she's a VTuber. Like she couldn't be acknowledged because of that simple fact, feeling like a Ghost, a dancer in the dark putting on a performance that no one is watching.
Goes on to just asking if you can even hear her voice, and if not she'll just keep screaming out until theres nothing left, because itll be her own proof that she put her work in.
You're right about GHOST not being a happy song. What it's specifically about are her struggles to be recognized and taken seriously as a vtuber musician. The general public and the larger music industry doesn't consider vtubers to be "real" artists; "Dancer in the dark" describes how Suisei feels about her own work. She feels overlooked, passed over, even though she's unbelievably talented (and she well knows it.) In the end, the song has a bittersweet tone, because even though she does feel that way, she resolves to keep singing until she does break through.
I have a few other notes, but I wanted to get that down before it left my head. I'll update this comment with them later.
Two songs I haven't seen reccomended are her cover of 'Saga Jihen' (with Hololive Gen 3) and her new one 'Template'. Also, like another commenter said, based on your wish list you'd probably really enjoy the songs she did with Calliope Mori.
the cover of Saga Jihen is so good i listen it over the original version
I will forever appreciate how much genuine interest and attention you give everything you review/react to! Like you said when talking about some of Suisei's song in this very video, vtubers have a specific set of extra challenges, a very prominent one being that they are often not taken seriously as talents in whichever field their talents lie by virtue of their "vtuber-ness". Seeing you give them that respect and taking them seriously is just being the change you want to see in the world, and it seriously warms my heart! So thank you for that :)
Your Hololive reactions were how I found you initially, which I know makes me a bit late to the party; but hey, I guess that's the entire spirit behind a lot of your reaction series, so I won't feel too bad :D Thanks very much RC, this was a hell of an undertaking and was undertaken very well. You are good people :)
Taku Inoue made a smooth jazz mix of Comet that Suisei sang live during her first solo in-person concert. I really hope it gets an official upload someday because it really shows how much she's grown. It made me cry during the concert! The original mix for Comet is a little... painful, but I still love the song.
3:02:52 Well, if you want to listen to Suisei and Hard Trap Beats paired with Rap,
then I would highly recommend you Covers and Originals by Suisei and Calliope Mori,
songs like "CapSule", "Wicked", "Beat Eater" or "GETCHA!"
2nd those recs and add "Template" to that mix. Would love to see that reaction.
While Capsule is great, i dont recommend posting a reaction because that song is licensed under Universal and they instantly yeet videos using their music
@@danielpulyi9142 oh ye man hololive songs are now not copyright free
add her latest cover of "Beat Eater" with Mori amd Reine too! that's a banger
Nothing with Calliope Mori in it is good music
I'm so late to the party, so someone else might've pointed this out already; but in japan, blue isn't correlated with sadness, it's correlated with the vast sea or fair sky, so it's less sad and more calm, kind, and maybe caring(?).
I mean, Suisei is our diamond in the rough, our shooting star, Hoshimachi Suisei! And Suisei is cute today as well! (I’m not much of a Suisei watcher, but I’m pretty sure those are both parts of her stream intro)
Also, they totally do have idol concerts where they perform from a digital stage.
I really love watching your breakdowns. I always knew Stellar Stellar was a bop, but it was really cool to see it broken down on why it's unique musically. I'd love to see you break down Susei's newer original, Template. Also a really cool song and probably my fave Suisei song so far.
I don't really care much about "reaction" channels as they usually dont add much other than a few laughs or standard shock/surprised reactions to clips but you go deep. Its great to see someone who knows about music talk about everything that goes into a song. Love your content.
Since you were curious about Taku Inoue, he is probably best known for his work on The Idolm@ster and other Bandai Namco series like Tekken.
I think it's important to note that Suisei being a murderous psychopath isn't actually in her character's official lore, so seeing references to it in official releases would likely just be coincidence.
She got the label because she acts like a psychopath when she plays video games. Laughing while killing her friends, enjoying people begging for mercy before axe-murdering them... then cooking and eating them with a big smile.
For those who still not know. Suisei has another song that call "Peices" and it actually a masterPIECE.
You have to try that 👀
Pieces
A bit of a running commentary:
More context for the Suicopath thing: In werewolf/mafia type games like Among Us, and Project: Winter before that, Suisei is ruthless and cunning as an Impostor, and kind of revels in it- the go-to example being in Project: Winter, where she _ate the heart_ of one of her victims (because the game lets you do that), as well as took the outfit of one of her victims (which gives you their name plate as well), and hunted one of the other talents while mimicking the voice of the person who's clothes she was wearing. She's also very sharp when on the non-traitor team, making smart deductions and (in games that allow it) executing the traitors herself.
Calling Hololive a hydra is something I hadn't thought of before but is extremely apt!
I'd say across the breadth of original Hololive songs, there's a substantial amount of non-standard songs to go with the other J-Pops and ballads and Idol Songs About Being An Idol. Houshou Marine's "Unison" is one of my favorites, and features a bridge(?) section that is one of the most... Memorable? Extreme? In-your-face? uses of polyrhythm I've ever heard.
1 hour in, one song down! 😆 your analyses are always fun and insightful.
Suisei's self-introduction has been the same since the very beginning: "It's your shooting star, your diamond in the rough, idol VTuber Hoshimachi Suisei!" So you were right on the money there.
GHOST is where the "I am more than just a picture on a screen" theming comes to the forefront apparently in the lyrics as well. What strikes me about Suisei is that from the absolute start, she has been working on/perfecting herself, and has only ever been herself. There are a lot of videos of like "debut vs. now" videos where it shows how different VTubers become over time, but Suisei has such an iron defiance and will about her. This is somewhat in parallel to HoloEN's Calliope Mori, who is also very music-focused (and was even signed to Universal Music recently), but has changed significantly from a much more forced demeanor to easing up and feeling more comfortable being herself. Calli's songs also go from being more about her character's presentation to very personal and emotional explorations of her current reality (Red and End Of A Life are standouts in this regard)
I came back to finish the video 😆
If you want to hear someone who can really do justice to a cover of Stellar Stellar, look for a clip of Ayunda Risu singing it. She's one of the Hololive Indonesia talents and she's seriously talented, she doesn't emphasize it or chase it as hard as Suisei does but her voice is phenomenal.
On a similar note, HoloID member Moona Hoshinova has a killer pop-star diva singing voice. Her first original, Ai no Chiisana Uta, is a slow, shimmering ballad, but her 2nd original, High Tide, is a commanding electronic pop piece that wouldn't be out of place in a KDA album (a band she covers with incredible prowess as well). A personal favorite is when she sings I Won't Say I'm In Love on unarchived karaoke (but fans have clipped it, it's searchable on RUclips).
I'll echo others in saying that Omaru Polka's original songs are a must listen, though the songs she chooses to cover are relevant to her experiences and emotions as well.
Towa, Watame, Calliope, Gura, they all have really good original songs (Towa's song Palette still makes me tear up), but I'll try to offer a unique recommendation:
Of all the Hololive talents, Shirogane Noel has one of the weakest singing voices, alongside Yuzuki Choco and Amelia Watson, arguably. I wouldn't call any of them bad singers (Ame started out pretty tone-deaf but has really improved a lot), they just don't have very much range to their voices. However, Noel's original song Homenobi takes her voice and really creates a space for it to be used to the best of her abilities. It's an incredibly cute song, with some simple but interesting rhythmic techniques used.
Choco has two songs, I forget the names but they are tailored to her voice as well. The second one comes with an MV about temptation and taboo- she IS a devil, after all 😈
I spose that's it from me 😆 I hope I didn't go too overboard, but looking at the stack of words I made, I'll just say that your analysis inspired me, haha.
"She hates mornings"
I burst out laughing - that reminds me of the time she appeared on Kiara's holotalk. It was pretty early in the morning in Japan and Suisei was... Barely functional. It was hilarious. (For anyone that doesn't know, Holotalk is a talk/interview show put on by one of the Hololive English talents, usually as an introduction/way to learn more about the Japanese talents. Worth checking out IMO.)
I really love analyses like this. I don't really know anything about music theory, but it feels like I'm getting a different glimpse at how awesome Suisei is (Along with the people she works with).
So finally, we've arrived at this stellar breakdown of a masterpiece album.
I love the songs, and personally, I love Ghost the most.
For me, I feel like Ghost can be about a one sided feeling of someone that desperately trying to be noticed by their important person. Despite the effort to make the other party understand, they keep brushing it off as nothing.
As if they're only dancing in the dark by themselves, without being seen or heard properly. Like a ghost.
The vibe is the combination of sad and upsetting feelings. Also a hint of desperation and resentment. But Idk, everytime I hear this, it just hit different in muh kokoro.
As far as live performances go, Suisei can sing this entire album live (except for Comet). And she did, at a paid live last year. The first 3 songs of that were actually broadcast on youtube (and that’s still up apparently):
ruclips.net/video/LtqzI9y5yII/видео.html
although at this point I think you would have to buy the blu-ray to see the rest of it. I’m not too familiar with the highly scientific musician’s drinking game scale, so not sure if a 10 on that puts you in “I am interested in importing a concert blu-ray” territory, but if it does, you can pre-order today.
I would also recommend her recent (free) live “Selfish of a Rough Stone”:
ruclips.net/video/RDHf9Tmdvpk/видео.html
This one is mostly covers (looking at the set list, it’s 8 covers, 4 originals), although I will say the covers are insane.
Ive never listened to much Japanese music outside of my favorite OPS, marines unison was the first song that caught me. But this entire album (minus one or two super poppy tracks I tend to glaze over during) has been playing on repeat at work. And I’m a 32 year old METAL fan - Tool is my favorite band
(Why the odd time signatures speak to my soul)
Tldr love the vid still getting through it all but your throughts on stellar stellar are pretty much exactly how I felt/feel to a T
Oh my god, I've been looking forward for your Suisei song reaction and here you are coming out with a banger 3 hours. Thank you so much!
Wah, 3 hours of still still stellar analysis !!! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS !!!!
At last! Been waiting for this one
Literally burst out laughing when you took the shot at the beginning of Stellar Stellar.
As a hoshiyomi, I'm glad that you did suisei justice in your analysis! Really loved how in depth you went in each song, especially the polymeter! Could never put into words why that section was so unusual but you nailed it. Looking forward to more from you!!
Thanks for the analysis! Liking all your insight on the song!
Saw this VOD recommended like 10 times to me before I finally bit the bullet and gave it the time. Glad I did. Didn't think it would be possible for me to appreciate Suisei's album even more so but somehow you did just that.
I really enjoyed your video with corresponding musical analysis deep dive.
This was super informative to someone learning music. Thanks!
Wow this is such a fantastic and very detailed analysis of this album that I really never expected to find anywhere. I've been following Suisei for over a year now and have been totally captivated by the music she puts out and I'm glad that you were able to more articulately put in to words why. I love learning about musical theory through musical analysis content like stuff Charles Cornell and Adam Neely so I'm so grateful that you were able to do it for this album and do it so well. Looking forward to more content!
2:50:24 That sudden thumbs up to show happiness
Comet also have a Still Still Stellar version, with better mixing and things, just they didn't want to re record the voice
Also in Stellar into the Gallaxy concert there is a Comet Midnight Jazz Arrange
I enjoyed this reaction, Suisei can really take someone's breath away. I love your Holo reaction thank you for this!!
I love your reactions so much that I still watch them over and over again!
If you don't mind, I'd love to see you post your reactions to the second album!
I am cheering for you from Japan!!
This comment used the translation
LEEEZZ GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
Came in to listen to Suisei's album, came out with music theory lessons... Hell yeah!! I knew when I saw the video was 3 hrs, and then when you pulled up the lectures notes, that this was gonna be awesome, and it was!! Loved the insight, and I just really enjoy when people nerd out and really go in with some deep analysis. Really enjoyed the video!
And also, I like to say that everyone's a Hoshiyomi, they just don't know it yet. I'm glad you're one of us!
Thank you for your insight and analysis for our favorite comet!
this is such a great content and awesome analysis
This has been really interesting, I love learning more about the theory behind music I already love. Thanks!
I haven't seen the video yet and I already like it, it's great that someone takes the time to analyze suisei's work, it's really great and magical, she has an incredible voice and a unique energy, thanks for doing it, I love learning more about her music
I really love the deep analysis on the songs that i never picked up on.
Thank you
HOW DID I NOT DISCOVER THIS CHANNEL SOONER ITS AMAZING
You have to watch her live shows. She is just beyond epic. Thanks for promoting the Queen!
So I've not seen anyone recommend this yet, so I'm going to suggest looking up The Last Frontier by Suisei and AZKi. It's not as well known, especially as it's on AZKi's channel, but it is absolutely one of her best songs.
If you haven't already, check out Ayunda Risu's cover of Stellar Stellar. She absolutely kills it.
was waiting for you to review this one xDD
Loved all the insight and you’re really great at sharing your love for music.
Good news btw: Suisei already said her next album will be more rock focused.
As for the doomsday feeling about mornings they are either:
-her being anxious that the whole vtuber trend might end suddenly the next morning (they suddenly boomed in popularity so a lot of vtubers are wary that it might end just as quickly), in the case of Stellar Stellar;
- her being a complete night owl, like you said, and hating mornings, for Next Color Planet.
Last thing: I personally really suggest looking up the lyrics for Run/Kakero; really strong message showcasing her drive for striving further.
this reminded me of Sleepy Suisei in Kiara's Holo talk. So cute
Do not fret about how you were 'wrong' about the prediction of Suicopath. I think your analysis showcases how the voice impacts one's personality. As you said, Suisei's voice is dominant/surgical and this shows in her gaming skills as well.
And VTubers have a keen sense of how that works out because since they are controlling 2D avatars, the biggest control the person has is in their voice. And their personality is what makes or breaks VTuber's career.
Taku Inoue, producer of Stellar Stellar, in one of his discussions with DECO*27, another famous music producer (mostly of VOCALOID kind, the type of song that KING was) who has worked with Suisei before, had said this above fact gives VTubers an unique advantage over other artist in their musical talent. I'm not sure how true that is, but food for thought.
I never thought I could top my appreciation for Sui's music than I already was, but this definitely made me so much more appreciative of Sui's music thanks to your in depth analysis and lectures !
Thank you so much for making this video, I've really learned a lot in regards to music !
also, I look forward to seeing more Suisei/Hololive videos from you from now on ! 🙏💖
Omg I was waiting for this !
As a hoshiyomi, I would like to ask you to look into one of her song, Pieces, which in my opinion should be watched by every hoshiyomi at least once. There are only fan made mv for the song. Please read into the lyrics too, made me cried.
The 2020 song? An unreleased deep cut, a hidden gem and melancholic one UwU
Ghost is my favorite track. I like these analysis vids! I actually listened to this entire album today while driving home.
Thank you so much for doing these :_)
Thanks for the great analysis. You make things more visible for people who don´t understand a thing about music. :D it looks sometimes like math but makes sense!
another hololive reaction from ravenclaw! i've been waiting for this!! love your analysis and reactions
Love your reactions to these! Suisei is my favorite and seeing new reactions to Suisei, let alone Hololive, is always great to see. Your reaction to Ghost, my personal favorite Holo song, is awesome. Such a strong song. Tenkyuu and Comet were my first experience with Suisei and they're in my top for favorites as well. Looking forward to more!
I found your channel and stayed for the k-on reactions and found myself continuing to watch a lot of your other anime reactions. Never thought I'd see you reacting to/analyzing hololive songs but gotta say as a fan of hololive and you I couldn't be happier. Hope to see you dive deeper into the rabbit hole!
I just like the beeps and the boops, your analysis adds another layer of enjoyment to the songs. I also don't speak Japanese so its cool how you reacted to the music and then the lyrics on another listen.
It's awesome to watch you experience and enjoy these for the first time, getting amazed by all the same things I did, and picking out all these intricacies in the music I assume nobody but musicians who also critically listen would notice. One thing I love about Suisei's music beyond her voice is the absolutely incredible musicality in the instrumentation and arrangement that isn't super common; this is also the reason I'm enamoured by a lot of Taku Inoue's music. Stellar Stellar is such an incredible opening song with so much depth, that like you mentioned every time I listen to it I still notice new things, tens of replays later. Even when I critically listen, and maybe write some stuff out to my music nerd friend, I don't ever organise thoughts into a cohesive story of why a song or arrangement is good. Thank you for this.
I think it's a shame you didn't look up the lyric translations though, even if they'd be unofficial. Especially for GHOST, that's one's got some things going on. Although impressively, you still get very close from the video and music.
It's refreshing to hear an Australian accent on RUclips, and... I don't think those are shurikens XD
really loved your analysis of the album! I feel that the way you broke each song with your background knowledge in music would be especially enjoyable for viewers with little-to-no musical-understanding.
Another thing I would like to say is that I absolutely agree with the points you made in Andromeda's analysis; instrumental-simplicity is the key to a ballad like that!
Cheers to getting the blu-ray by the way - wish you could've seen it live!
Love the audios playing in the bg when you explains voices
yes stellar stellar does feel offsync sometimes , which really makes it special/unique to me.
but i have no music background so i cant go into detail. i just hear it is something amazing.
also im a big fan of andromeda.
If you interested, I’d recommend listening to Suisei’s duet song with other Hololive members;
*- Angelfish by Suisei & Amane Kanata uploaded by Kira* ☄️💫
Amane Kanata is named PPT “Perfect Pitch Tenshi/Angel” by hololive fans because of her voice. Their duet as “Hoshi no Kanata (Beyond the Star)” is called one of the best combo in hololive
*- 餞の鳥 (Hanamuke no Tori) - D/Zeal by Suisei & Tokino Sora* ☄️🐻
Tokino Sora is the founder and also the first Hololive member, along with Suisei as Hololive gen zero. Her content is more about singing & piano practice. She’s called the true idol in Hololive
*- Saikai by Hoshimachi Suisei & Moona Hoshinova* ☄️🔮
Their pair is called HoshiStar because they have the same “Hoshi” meaning “Star” in their surname even though they both aren’t actually star (Suisei = Comet, Moona = Moon)
*- アニマル(Animaru) by Suisei & Sakura Miko (miComet)* ☄️🌸
With their cool and cute combination poured into this catchy song, it’s enough to make people addicted to this one
*- 灰色と青/常闇 (Haiiro to Ao) by Suisei & Tokoyami Towa* ☄️👾
If there’s someone who could beat Suisei’s cool voice at singing, it’s probably Towa, listening to her song always gives me goosebumps
*- Getcha by Suisei & Mori Calliope* ☄️ 💀
I’m not into rap musics but rap in japanese song always sounds good
Thank you so much for helping me understand the intricate piece that is Stellar Stellar.
Also the mic and filter placement looks like an Among us and I can't unsee it 🤯
Three hours of bliss, tskr 🙏
I've been waiting for this with all my heart let's gooo boys
What a special treat, to come across this video as both a music and a hololive fan.(Suisei especially) I appreciate your enthusiasm for the art. Thanks so much for this analysis/fangirl session. My day was pretty awful, but these last 3 hours were full of just.... happy.
hey mate glad you enjoyed the Suisei rant. It was well deserved, and I'm hoshiyomi for life. Also hang in there, and wishing you much more happy in the days ahead.
I'm really glad someone did an analysis on this album. Especially because I really like the way the drums go crazy in suisei's stuff.
At this point I highly recommend checking out her recent live show!