A few users have correctly pointed out a small mistake in our verdict section! For the Samsung S90D, the cons should be: - Worse in bright rooms than the LEDs - No Dolby Vision or DTS support - Can look a bit dim in SDR Sorry about that, but thanks for pointing it out!
No worries RTINGS. Folks get so upset 😂 the thing holding me back from the S90D (to save some $$$) over the G4 is the processing. Coming from an old-ish Bravia, I don’t want upscaling and low bit rate content to take a hit. I think the alpha 11 chip can provide an improvement whereas the Samsung can’t. I do wish there were more side by comparisons of upscaling but maybe there’s copy write issues that arise when showing streaming content and such….
No Dolby Vision or Atmos (which I still think of as a plot point in DOCTOR WHO!) is a dealbreaker for me, given I specifically purchased a UHD player and soundbar (I've got a small one-bedroom apartment in a building with mediocre soundproofing-even so, I can hear the difference and it's significant!) with Dolby Vision capability to go with my top-of-the-line TCL from two years back. My apartment is designed in such a way as to make my living room nearly as dark as a movie theatre (no windows in the living room, a wall between the media center and the rest of the apartment including the bedroom where the windows are, a light near the sofa so I can keep a light on if I wish and still plunge the screen into darkness), so reflection and screen brightness are less a concern for me than they've been anywhere else I've lived. I realize even a top-quality TCL isn't in the same league as a LG OLED or Sony MiniLED, but it was also one-fourth the price of the LG and one-sixth the price of the Sony! So hearing the LG called "cheaper" is kind of ironic when it's a nearly $2K television.
No MLA makes it mid ranged though, hopefully next year LG at least includes first or second gen MLA tech into the C series instead of keeping it on the G series only. I like the Samsung S90D but no Chromecast, no Dolby video or audio has me on a fence as to what to buy. C4 or S90D? Sony isn't on my radar at all with their prices and only 2 HDMI 2.1 ports as well as worse VRR only going as low as 48hz.
According to RTINGS review page 65" LG C4: $1,996.99 - Better viewing angle, better contrast, better for TV Shows, Sports, Movies, Gaming, and as a Computer Monitor. (It's also available in more sizes.) 65" Sony Bravia 9: $2,998.00 - Brighter, better Upscalling, better Audio Frequency Response. Personally speaking, I'd buy the C4 and save $1,000 (which I could invest in loudspeakers or a soundbar). However, I'll admit that I really don't need an extra-bright TV.
Or even get the G3/G4, A95L or the S95D for probably less than the Bravia 9 costs, all of which are brighter oled models and probably get better speakers than the C4.
@@vybo8921 I guess it depends on the size you're looking at, but you can get the 65" version of all the models I listed for less than €2500 including taxes where I live, except for the A95L. Larger sizes are hard to compare as there are no 75" or 85" oled models currently, but oleds generally tend to get more expensive at larger sizes. You can still get the 77" G3 for less than a 75" Bravia 9 where I live though.
How Sony thinks saving pennies on the HDMI ports is appropriate for a flagship model is crazy. 2 full fledged 2.1 ports is enough (barely), but only if the eARC port is separate. Rather than just enough though, they should all be fully enabled 2.1 ports at that price class.
What a fun comparison. For the longest time we just had OLED and kind of a big dropoff down to LCD. This is encouraging to see mini-LED stand toe to toe with LG's most popular OLED and even beat it in some ways. Sony's backlight master drive is the special sauce here imo. Thanks Abby & the behind the scenes crew for making this!!!
@@ElGrueso brightness advantage on anything other than the tiniest highlights, ability to actually deliver on higher APLs and keep up with the reference display, high luminance color volume, no near black shenanigans like dithering noise, chroma overshoot, or flickering. No dimming because of static pixels, No ASBL dimming, less motion stutter, no potential burn in, versatility for both dark and bright room performance at a high level, less dependence on tone mapping.... There are quite a number of advantages for the Bravia 9. But still the perfect TV doesn't exist so you have to really know your use case and preferences.
@@ElGrueso Because for the amount of time that you'll be using the C4, the Bravia 9 FAR outlasts its lifespan by more than twice. In 5 years, you're more than very likely to dispose the C4 already due to severe burn-ins, but the Bravia 9 would still be kicking strong after 2 decades of extremely heavy use.
@@troy5568 Do you not watch or follow Rting or another AudioVideo forums? LCD/Mini-LED suffers from LCD vignette burns and brightness reduces over time. There are not display tech that lasts forever, kicking strong after 2 decades of extremely heavy use? haha good luck using 20 years of Mini-LED at extreme heavy use and maintain its PQ.
OLED televisions are worth it, the perfect blacks change the images, produce exclamations of admiration, just seeing the contrast between black and vivid colors is a pleasure for the eyes. I am very happy with my LG C4, I am not interested in a brightness that I am not even going to use, I love seeing the images that the Oled gives. It's a before and after.
What a great video. Thank you for sharing. This is actually the very dilemma that I find myself in right now. I don’t want an OLED because of burn-in. Total deal breaker for me. But I want all the advantages of OLED. The Bravia 9 is so good that you have what I’d say is 90% of an OLED, without the downsides. But when you’re talking $1,600 vs $3,000 retail, the choice doesn’t become as clear again. So it’s like, do I gamble the $1,600 and hope for a problem free five years? Or splurge now and have myself a 10-year TV with the Bravia? Decisions. Again, this came at a great time. Good work!
You literally have to try to get burn-in with any current model OLED, and even that will take you a full year of power-on time. There are millions of these things in the wild. burn-in is not a widespread issue.
I'd choose miniLED (and I have done so). Brightness is more important than perfect blacks, because local dimming IS good enough. Your eyes notice the difference between dark and light, so when the light comes (most content) you won't care about those perfect blacks. In mostly black scenes the miniLED will turn off the lights just as well as the OLED.
As someone who'd take an oled without a single doubt, I totally get why you'd choose the brightness of a miniled over perfect blacks. But I haven't seen a single lcd yet that can compete with an oleds viewing angles (despite the C4's being mediocre by oled standards) and uniformity while maintaining decent black levels.
True black in every scenes/games/movies is game changer. Trust me! I just switch to OLED (before I had top Sony QLED models for many years). Watching TV (even regular broadcast tv) on OLED is different experience. At the end you will be watching content on max 600-800 nits in home conditions. Longer viewing of the entire screen above 1,000 nits is simply exhausting for your eyes. And after the first week of enthusiasm, you'll be turning down the brightness to keep your eyes from getting teary ;)
Now do ultra dark scene performance comparisons. Like the famous scene in House of Dragons that’s mastered at 5 nits. You need owl vision to watch it on an OLED.
@@markmd9 You cannot disable ABL. And black crush is a given in any OLED. They have problems coming off "perfect blacks". And so shades of grey are not accurately depicted.
Yeah I don't get why you'd master anything below 5 nits. The first thing nearly every consumer would do is to find a way to increase the brightness, because 5 nits is too dark in nearly every living room. Imagine trying to watch this during daytime!
It's poorly made and the oled can display the poorly made image properly and lcd's are forced to raise the brightness up closer to where it should be due to the limitations of the tech.
Perfectly said sir! ANY & ALL OLEDS CAN NOT COMPARE TO THE SUPERIOR IMAGE PERFORMANCE OF A GOOD MINI LED IN THE DARK, SHADOWY SCENES! Saw this many times with both technologies with the same content on directly next to each other...
Yeah I think it really needs to be said that game mode just isn't there for MiniLEDs yet. Sony is getting SO damn close, though. But it's still got several issues. I own a Bravia 9 and love it dearly for the things it does well. But in Game mode you absolutely will have to accept/suffer blooming. It's no where near as bad on Local Dimming High, but peak brightness takes a noticeable dip... too noticeable in my opinion. So you end up trading off either more noticeable blooming for more noticable capping of the peak brightness (not a great feeling when playing high-end games, honestly). And also the blooming isn't just on white highlights in dark content, but also in gray screens as well. It's less noticable but odd to say the least and kind of annoying on PC. Not to mention, VRR is almost unusable. The VA Panel and possibly the reduced processing time allowed during VRR is the reason for this weakness I think. VRR has very noticable ghosting in both dark and light scenes. Which defeats one of the main points of VRR (smoothness of motion during variable frame rate). It's just too distracting, so I disable VRR always when in game mode on Bravia 9. The input latency I'd say is basically imperceptible. You're looking at 1 extra millisecond compared to most other TVs. No the blur and ghosting that happens in lower gray and dark elements (and VRR if you use it) is a far worse and more noticable issue that's liable to get you killed because it's harder to track things in motion. Also the TV has BFI... it's atrocious, don't use it. Same issue as VRR but worse because VA Panels have terrible dark pixel response and you're basically setting the screen to black every other frame. It looks less clear than not using BFI, lol. For movies though? Bravia 9 punches way above what you'd expect from a MiniLED... unfortunately it's very expensive so it's hard to not just say... use an OLED if you're watching movies b/c you can get them cheaper and they'll look as good or better at times (especially in dark scenes) and you won't have to almost ever be concerned with burn in b/c unlike games and PC usage, movies are always changing the image with no static elements. That said, if you can get Bravia 9 for cheaper? Get it, it's almost as good as the top end OLEDs. I don't know... MIniLED is in a weird place right now.
@madpistol yep totally agree. They did a review on the C4 vs B8 and again still did not talk about sound quality. Funny when they did a review of an LG vs a LG they did bring up sound quality.
@@ElGrueso You'd be surprised. I sold Sony TVs at Best Buy for the past 2.5 years (just left a couple of months ago). OLED did not automatically mean that someone had external sound. I would say it was about 50/50. I sold a great many Sony OLEDs due to their superior built in sound.
Sony ALWAYS wins on sound. I mean, they've been in the audio game FOREVER and not just as another player but as a king in audio. RTings HATES Sony for some reason. For several years now they always seem to have an anti-Sony bias.
I've got a 55"LG C OLED in my garden bar. I've also got an 85" Sony X90L in my living room. Love the X90L PQ. The OLED just crushes shadow detail really badly in scenes where I know the X90L would show information and detail the OLED shows none.
@@markmd9 I do know this, it still crushes blacks. Tried all settings and different calibration setups. Compared to the XL90L it loses so much detail. I'm getting the bravia 9 next year
Weird I get zero black crush on my 2020 sony oled A8h. The shadow detail is so good it looked almost like bloom at first cause I could see the detail on the foreskin of a field mouse 😂
@@mrbungle589 maybe it's a better pic on the Sony. But I can watch one thing on the oled then go inside and watch the same thing and see the difference
Hey guys great comparison and thanks for the effort you put in. I don't understand how you concluded the weaknesses of the S90D at the end? Reflection handling and viewing angles are top rated in the written review and eARC always has to take up one of the HDMI 2.1 ports as they all are v2.1. What Abby said is correct though so maybe a mistake?
Thanks for pointing that out and sorry for any confusion, we've added a pinned comment to fix that mistake! For the Samsung S90D, the cons should be: - Worse in bright rooms than the LEDs - No Dolby Vision or DTS support - Can look a bit dim in SDR
We've added a pinned comment to fix that mistake! Thanks for pointing it out and sorry for any confusion! For the Samsung S90D, the cons should be: - Worse in bright rooms than the LEDs - No Dolby Vision or DTS support - Can look a bit dim in SDR
I have a dumb question. I'm new to owning a 4k tv and I can't watch it. Went from a 1080 LG from 2010. My eyes never hurt, even while using it as a pc monitor. But my TCL 4k Qled mini led within 5 mins is hurting my eyes, changed all the settings and turned off motion blur. It still hurts. Bright room or dark doesn't matter it hurts. I switch back to my LG and my eyes got instant relief
Thats a you problem i think. I'm using a 42 OLED for my monitor and its directly in front of me and i use it for hours on hours every single day at max brightness. Love it. You might want to look into blue light glasses.
I'll have to go and see in person. Currently have an LG C7, not sure if I could get used to any signs of blooming but tempting with no chance of burn in.
As someone who has a Bravia 9 and a C3, let me sum it up easily... you can make a Bravia 9 look like the C3, but you can't make the C3 look like the Bravia 9. Bravia 9 wins easily.
Bravia 9 is superior to any and all midrange and entry level OLED TVs, including the C4. It's about as good as the highest end OLED TVs such as: A95L, LG G4 and S95D from Samsung.
Decent review Abby. 2 things. First, you need to score the ABL category in your scoring system. The C4 would get a 2 perhaps, the B9 a 10, hence the B9 would beat some Oled overall scores. Second, the B9 would have beat a few Oled's if Rtings did not put as much rating weight in off angle viewing. I liked the B9 better up to 45-50 degrees and I have read many forums that say the same exact comment. The LG looks green and not as good in colors. So up to 45degrees, I would put the B9 at an 8, perhaps a 7. I would lower the C4 score as it tints and looks like garbage. So a question, why so much weight for that category when most only go off center 30-40 degrees max to view their TV's? The answer: to let Oled's get higher scores. Why not rate ABL, answer: As it would lower Oled scores.
For me, burn in risk and also image retention in a household where tv might not be off long enough each day with heavy users in household. As well as wanting tv in service many years to come. Also as a gamer one of things I'm focusing on in next tv is one that can do dolby vision 120 which i think Bravia 9 can do but not sure about C4?
Like most good Sony stuff it's fully priced, that's for sure. "Surprisingly close when it comes to real content" sums it up, except it's not really surprising at this point. They've been stalking for a while. These TV both have incredible pictures.
It's not an issue. most of what you read is from people who will never get within 100 feet of any of these TV's. an OLED in 2024 is brighter than just about any LCD from 10 years ago. People act like no one was watching TV in a lit room prior to 2015 top-end LCD owners.
@@paulc5389 Same, I keep my C1 at like 50-60%, and i have no issues even in a living room with a lot of windows during the day. Sure dark scenes aren't the easiest to see sometimes, but that's not something an LCD can do any better than an OLED anyway.
@@paulc5389Mine is generally used in the evening when it's not an issue, plus I do have blackout curtains I can close if I'm worried about it. I was more just pointing out that it's not a a real issue anyway when I do use it in that scenario (like watching football on Sundays etc), and the types of content that's hard to see wouldn't be improved by an LCD anyhow. OLED's only have brightness problems with high APL content, but the low APL content is what is hard to see, and an LCD isn't going to improve that situation. The reflective coating is going to be what matters most in that situation.
@@paulc5389 It's not generally used in those conditions. Mostly in the evening, and I have blackout curtains if im too worried about it, but on the occasion im just watching football or something like that during the day, It's not really a big deal. In the situations it does matter, which is low APL scenes, and LCD has no real advantage anyway, and the reflective coating is the real difference maker.
Bravia 9 does better in outdoor very bright scene and still delivers crazy bright highlights.Most oleds would make it look like an overcast sky with highlights.The oled does do better in dark scenes but the bravia 9 is no slouch ,it does very well in dark scenes and highlights are there in full effect.I rewatched a bunch of my 4k movies on the bravia 9 because of the bright scene strength and highlights. I was actually impressed with the overall experience with the bravia 9 because the hdr abilities and the flexibility of playing with settings to get a picture that your happy with. Its the 85 inch bravia 9 also that im comparing it oled too so it has more zones than the smaller version.
I have an OLED and love it even though it's the CX. I am about to buy another TV but will be going mini LED. I am doing so because of brightness for the most part.
I just bought the LG C4, it's my first OLED and I love it, the risk of burn-in worries me, I see a logo and I force myself, I change the aspect ratio when I see black stripes, the signs worry me, but despite that, when I see that image, I think it makes up for all the worries. As long as it doesn't burn before 3 years I will be satisfied.
You know I get it with this comparison but the reality is the Bravia 9 is "head & shoulders" above ANY TV save for a VERY close comparison to the G4.. only those 2 sets which comes down to personal preference..
For the s90d your review literally said 10 viewing angle and 9.5 reflection handling. Yet here you said it has “sub par” viewing angle and “disappointing reflection handling”
13:38 It's like they didn't bother looking at what they wrote as it says it has the best viewing angle of the lot in green then says it has subpar viewing angle in red. How TF is it both RTINGS? Also how is it a con that one of the HDMI ports is eARC when all HDMI ports are 2.1 at 144hz capable on the S90D. Instead the cons for the S90D are lack of Dolby Vision and Dolby sound with no built in Chromecast. It's like someone just need to write cons and didn't bother cross referencing their other reviews.
That's an error on our part! Sorry for any confusion, but we've added a pinned comment to fix that mistake! For the Samsung S90D, the cons should be: - Worse in bright rooms than the LEDs - No Dolby Vision or DTS support - Can look a bit dim in SDR
13:38 It's like they didn't bother looking at what they wrote for the S90D as it says it has the best viewing angle of the lot in green then says it has subpar viewing angle in red. How TF is it both RTINGS? Also how is it a con that one of the HDMI ports is eARC when all HDMI ports are 2.1 at 144hz capable on the S90D. Instead the cons for the S90D are lack of Dolby Vision and Dolby sound with no built in Chromecast. It's like someone just need to write cons and didn't bother cross referencing their other reviews. You also said that the S90D had better reflection handling then the LG C4 in the head to head vs now.
Thanks for pointing that out and sorry for any confusion, we've added a pinned comment to fix that mistake! For the Samsung S90D, the cons should be: - Worse in bright rooms than the LEDs - No Dolby Vision or DTS support - Can look a bit dim in SDR
At the end of the day the Sony seems overpriced. But, i can tell you the quality between the Japanese Sony and the Korean LG is night and day. My mom has had 2 LG OLEDs. Both have had display issues and needed repairs. She now has a Samsung OLED because of all the problems she had with the LGs. I have always had Sony TVs and I have never had a single issue with any of them. At the end of the day you get whay you pay for. Its like buying Honda (Japanese) vs Kia/Hyundai (Korean). The Honda will be more expensive with probably fewer bells and whistles, but will give you a reliable car for 10-15 years. The Kia/Hyundai will need a new engine by year 5. If you even have it that long before it gets stolen.
As someone who has played various HDR games on their Bravia 9 (Helldivers 2, Horizon Forbidden West, etc), the Bravia 9 is glorious for HDR gaming. It makes my C3 look mid-tier by comparison.
Eu não conheço essa TV da SONY a SONY saiu do meu BRASIL por falta de venda mais eu tô pra ver uma TV MINI LED LCD passar em todos os testes de contraste e brilho etc sempre vai ter cena de filme etc ou seja aquelas que todo mundo assiste os fabricantes de TVS põe esses vídeo fácil pra valorizar o contraste nível de preto etc TVS MINI LED LCD o contraste é falso falha até mesmo em imagem que não é tão exigente
Would you go with OLED or Mini LED if you watch just cable TV shows, movies, sports and news channels 8-10 hours a day and the news channels would be on approximately 2- 3 hours a day.
It's crazy that after all these years Sony continues to be behind everyone else in terms of offering HDMI 2.1 ports.. Sure you can use a switcher or something along those lines to have more ports but it's just ridiculous in my opinion and makes this generation of Sony TV kind of a "Wait for next year" kind of TV to me.
The wine glass pour scene looks so infinitely better on the Bravia it makes me confused how someone would prefer OLED. Just to use one scene as an example. The strawberries also look crazy better
@@techsamurai11 and you would be wrong. you're judging the performance and settings of whatever camera was taking the picture more than you are the TV's. There's also something called metameric failure, which is why calibrated TV's can look completely different from each other in color calibration over video even when they match each other in person. Even an edgelit LCD from 10 years ago would make an OLED look dull over camera just because it can get brighter in some cases. That's the only thing you can see in this video is increased brightness, and if increased brightness. LCD's have been the brightest display technology for a couple of decades now, yet Plasma and OLED always win any kind of PQ shootout, and even Rtings thinks a mid-range OLED is as good or better than the Sony despite what you think you see in the video.
Why don't tv's allow a user-selectable eARC port nomination? There's no hardware change just protocol and no reason tv menu couldn't allow any hdmi (2.0 or 2.1) to be the eARC return channel. Just seems silly to me cos if you have a ps5 and xbox AND a sound bar why not give the user the choice of running a 2.0 port as eARC? Anyway. I'm sure they thought of that and there's a reason not obvious to me
Once you get used to OLED you cannot go back to LED TVs the blooming and viewing angles become obvious. At the same time LG OLED is old tech at this point the next gen is QD OLED,, they need to buy some panels from Samsung because the brighter the lg oled gets the more washed out the colors look when you compare it to Sony and Samsung QD OLED.
As i keep saying, having had one LG C3 OLED that only lasted 14 days i don't want another. I can wait until next years mini-led models have a full set of 2.1 HDMI ports.
@@SterkeYerke5555 All modern TV's usually last until the warranty expires, this one came with a 6 year warranty Thankfully here in the UK we have the distance selling regulations that allow you to reject faulty goods bought oline. This coved me without claiming on the warranty. You are right about modern TV's, just look at how many fail during Rtings long term tests. Price and brand mean nothing these days.
@@Barbarapape And that's just the hardware! Don't even start about the crap they're putting on there that they call firmware these days! Be it WebOS, Tizen, VIDAA or any form of Google/Android TV, I haven't found a single modern tv yet on which I didn't find any weird and annoying bugs within a couple of minutes.
@@SterkeYerke5555 I know all about Hisense's Vidaa, it has more bugs than you can shake a stick at. You can't add or remove apps, it screws up HDMi switching and that is everytime you wish to change input. LG keep releasing more updates that any other brand i have come across. Will they ever get the message that we don't want or need a "Smart" TV, just one with HDMI inputs that work.
@@Barbarapape That in itself is already posing a problem for some modern tv's. I got into a debate with Philips about the audio being out of sync by roughly 40 ms on any of the HDMI inputs. Philips just straight up denies that that's a problem, as 40 ms is well within spec according to them. That's 2 frames on a regular broadcast though! And if it didn't stand out to me, I wouldn't've measured it in the first place! OTOH, LG does in fact create mostly working inputs (despite annoying screen tearing on a 720p input), but their audio goes way out of sync (200 ms) when using the internal tuner. How the hell did we lose such basic functionality over the past 15 years?
get them to put loadable profiles for the tv's. Manually putting them in is annoying. Does anyone recommend the root for the lg oleds? I did something about a root old samsung phone. I think it broke it legit. Got it replaced and the phone place did it for me. Overlays started to work. what i was looking for for controller use for apps. place marker for the button on the the button of the game. Most apps support controllers anyways. IDK. WHY!!! Haven't jailbroken or root anything ever since. I think it just has a bunch of junk apps. I don't really know what use it for. Kinda wanted overlays that's it.
Hi RTINGS, could you guys tackle using using the C4 as a computer monitor (perhaps vs other possible models). Has such a use case been improved on ever since the idea became more popular to try several years ago? Thank you!
Loved the unusual comparison. Just got me questioning thou why not mention as a con for C4 that it may Burn-in bc OLED. Also, after the video abt (most)Edge-lit panels destroying the TVs bc heat+lights, all the 'Full Brightness Appeal' here from Bravia 9 doesn't really soothe my mind no more.
You're right that all OLEDs have potential for burn-in, but it isn't a huge issue as long as you watch varied content. You can also be glad to know that the BRAVIA 9 has full-array backlighting, so it's much less prone to any of the heat issues that edge-lit TVs face!
@@peterseinfeldDo you game? I mostly game and watch RUclips. I really don’t watch much TV or movies at all. I’m worried about games and the RUclips UI getting burned in. I’m debating going miniLED for that very reason.
I’m mostly a SDR watcher, brightness and better highlights are more important to me than inky black. I’d buy the Bravia 9 before any Oled, but I will be getting the 85 inch Bravia 7 instead because it’s cheaper. Since it’s just me and it’s gonna be in my Bedroom I’m not worried much about viewing angles
I am so confused about why the OLED wins in viewing angle there. Just pausing at 43 degrees, or even less, the skin tone is so far off it's unwatchable IMO. The Sony is watchable for a significantly longer amount of time. Is that just me or do people think the C4 looks better here?
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Sorry, but the dirty screen on the Sony is terrible. How on earth a 2024 top of the line Sony tv could have that level of dirty screen? The LG oled all the way.
A few users have correctly pointed out a small mistake in our verdict section! For the Samsung S90D, the cons should be:
- Worse in bright rooms than the LEDs
- No Dolby Vision or DTS support
- Can look a bit dim in SDR
Sorry about that, but thanks for pointing it out!
No worries RTINGS. Folks get so upset 😂 the thing holding me back from the S90D (to save some $$$) over the G4 is the processing. Coming from an old-ish Bravia, I don’t want upscaling and low bit rate content to take a hit. I think the alpha 11 chip can provide an improvement whereas the Samsung can’t. I do wish there were more side by comparisons of upscaling but maybe there’s copy write issues that arise when showing streaming content and such….
Color gamut slide is not correct, see 6:20
No Dolby Vision or Atmos (which I still think of as a plot point in DOCTOR WHO!) is a dealbreaker for me, given I specifically purchased a UHD player and soundbar (I've got a small one-bedroom apartment in a building with mediocre soundproofing-even so, I can hear the difference and it's significant!) with Dolby Vision capability to go with my top-of-the-line TCL from two years back. My apartment is designed in such a way as to make my living room nearly as dark as a movie theatre (no windows in the living room, a wall between the media center and the rest of the apartment including the bedroom where the windows are, a light near the sofa so I can keep a light on if I wish and still plunge the screen into darkness), so reflection and screen brightness are less a concern for me than they've been anywhere else I've lived.
I realize even a top-quality TCL isn't in the same league as a LG OLED or Sony MiniLED, but it was also one-fourth the price of the LG and one-sixth the price of the Sony! So hearing the LG called "cheaper" is kind of ironic when it's a nearly $2K television.
@@drdarkeny these have dolby atmos
As a CX and C1 owner, calling the model “mid-tier” is insulting and depressing at the same time 🤣.
Especially when you consider the current economy
Well, that's what it is. A is value, B is budget, C is mid range, G is high end, and Z is premium.
@@---GOD--- There was no value with the A series. That’s why the line has been cut entirely
No MLA makes it mid ranged though, hopefully next year LG at least includes first or second gen MLA tech into the C series instead of keeping it on the G series only.
I like the Samsung S90D but no Chromecast, no Dolby video or audio has me on a fence as to what to buy. C4 or S90D? Sony isn't on my radar at all with their prices and only 2 HDMI 2.1 ports as well as worse VRR only going as low as 48hz.
@@ZeitGeist_TV the s90D is a phenomenal TV. Getting a lesser TV just for Dolby Vision support doesn't make sense to me.
According to RTINGS review page
65" LG C4: $1,996.99 - Better viewing angle, better contrast, better for TV Shows, Sports, Movies, Gaming, and as a Computer Monitor. (It's also available in more sizes.)
65" Sony Bravia 9: $2,998.00 - Brighter, better Upscalling, better Audio Frequency Response.
Personally speaking, I'd buy the C4 and save $1,000 (which I could invest in loudspeakers or a soundbar). However, I'll admit that I really don't need an extra-bright TV.
Or even get the G3/G4, A95L or the S95D for probably less than the Bravia 9 costs, all of which are brighter oled models and probably get better speakers than the C4.
For the $1000 you could get a really good speakers and habe still money for Apple TV 4k left.
Simply, some prefer the best! Price be darn
@@SterkeYerke5555 Nope, all of those you listed cost more than the B9 in the same or similar sizes.
@@vybo8921 I guess it depends on the size you're looking at, but you can get the 65" version of all the models I listed for less than €2500 including taxes where I live, except for the A95L. Larger sizes are hard to compare as there are no 75" or 85" oled models currently, but oleds generally tend to get more expensive at larger sizes. You can still get the 77" G3 for less than a 75" Bravia 9 where I live though.
How Sony thinks saving pennies on the HDMI ports is appropriate for a flagship model is crazy. 2 full fledged 2.1 ports is enough (barely), but only if the eARC port is separate. Rather than just enough though, they should all be fully enabled 2.1 ports at that price class.
What a fun comparison. For the longest time we just had OLED and kind of a big dropoff down to LCD. This is encouraging to see mini-LED stand toe to toe with LG's most popular OLED and even beat it in some ways. Sony's backlight master drive is the special sauce here imo. Thanks Abby & the behind the scenes crew for making this!!!
So glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching 😄
Whats the point when Bravia 9 cost almost double the cost of LG C4 and can’t even beat C4?
@@ElGrueso brightness advantage on anything other than the tiniest highlights, ability to actually deliver on higher APLs and keep up with the reference display, high luminance color volume, no near black shenanigans like dithering noise, chroma overshoot, or flickering. No dimming because of static pixels, No ASBL dimming, less motion stutter, no potential burn in, versatility for both dark and bright room performance at a high level, less dependence on tone mapping....
There are quite a number of advantages for the Bravia 9. But still the perfect TV doesn't exist so you have to really know your use case and preferences.
@@ElGrueso Because for the amount of time that you'll be using the C4, the Bravia 9 FAR outlasts its lifespan by more than twice. In 5 years, you're more than very likely to dispose the C4 already due to severe burn-ins, but the Bravia 9 would still be kicking strong after 2 decades of extremely heavy use.
@@troy5568 Do you not watch or follow Rting or another AudioVideo forums? LCD/Mini-LED suffers from LCD vignette burns and brightness reduces over time. There are not display tech that lasts forever, kicking strong after 2 decades of extremely heavy use? haha good luck using 20 years of Mini-LED at extreme heavy use and maintain its PQ.
OLED televisions are worth it, the perfect blacks change the images, produce exclamations of admiration, just seeing the contrast between black and vivid colors is a pleasure for the eyes. I am very happy with my LG C4, I am not interested in a brightness that I am not even going to use, I love seeing the images that the Oled gives. It's a before and after.
The bloopers are back, and we get a Matthew McConaughey impression? Awesome :-)
Alright!
As someone who plays ps5 in a dim room, the C4 wins for me, I'll never go back to standard LED tvs and never paying the Sony tax ever again
Me tooo
Sony tax has been paid by too many for too long!
The Bravia 9 is crazy impressive in person
It actually very disappointing especially with that ridiculous price tag for a lcd TV
@@ElGruesoyou saw it in person and you were disappointed?
And crazy expensive for no damn reason.
Please name one reason why the bravia 9 is an impressive tv.
@@antisystemicparadise1202 most of them are just PS fans…
What a great video. Thank you for sharing. This is actually the very dilemma that I find myself in right now. I don’t want an OLED because of burn-in. Total deal breaker for me. But I want all the advantages of OLED. The Bravia 9 is so good that you have what I’d say is 90% of an OLED, without the downsides. But when you’re talking $1,600 vs $3,000 retail, the choice doesn’t become as clear again. So it’s like, do I gamble the $1,600 and hope for a problem free five years? Or splurge now and have myself a 10-year TV with the Bravia? Decisions. Again, this came at a great time. Good work!
You literally have to try to get burn-in with any current model OLED, and even that will take you a full year of power-on time. There are millions of these things in the wild. burn-in is not a widespread issue.
I'd choose miniLED (and I have done so).
Brightness is more important than perfect blacks, because local dimming IS good enough.
Your eyes notice the difference between dark and light, so when the light comes (most content) you won't care about those perfect blacks.
In mostly black scenes the miniLED will turn off the lights just as well as the OLED.
As someone who'd take an oled without a single doubt, I totally get why you'd choose the brightness of a miniled over perfect blacks. But I haven't seen a single lcd yet that can compete with an oleds viewing angles (despite the C4's being mediocre by oled standards) and uniformity while maintaining decent black levels.
Not nearly just as well, not even close.
Then buy a G4. Best of both worlds.
@@ashjcoronado yes, that's why crushed blacks and oled low level luminance overshoot exist.
True black in every scenes/games/movies is game changer. Trust me! I just switch to OLED (before I had top Sony QLED models for many years). Watching TV (even regular broadcast tv) on OLED is different experience. At the end you will be watching content on max 600-800 nits in home conditions. Longer viewing of the entire screen above 1,000 nits is simply exhausting for your eyes. And after the first week of enthusiasm, you'll be turning down the brightness to keep your eyes from getting teary ;)
Getting ready for C4 for my bluray movies❤
Now do ultra dark scene performance comparisons. Like the famous scene in House of Dragons that’s mastered at 5 nits. You need owl vision to watch it on an OLED.
You can adjust the settings to match your taste
@@markmd9 You cannot disable ABL. And black crush is a given in any OLED. They have problems coming off "perfect blacks". And so shades of grey are not accurately depicted.
Yeah I don't get why you'd master anything below 5 nits. The first thing nearly every consumer would do is to find a way to increase the brightness, because 5 nits is too dark in nearly every living room. Imagine trying to watch this during daytime!
It's poorly made and the oled can display the poorly made image properly and lcd's are forced to raise the brightness up closer to where it should be due to the limitations of the tech.
Perfectly said sir! ANY & ALL OLEDS CAN NOT COMPARE TO THE SUPERIOR IMAGE PERFORMANCE OF A GOOD MINI LED IN THE DARK, SHADOWY SCENES! Saw this many times with both technologies with the same content on directly next to each other...
Yeah I think it really needs to be said that game mode just isn't there for MiniLEDs yet. Sony is getting SO damn close, though. But it's still got several issues. I own a Bravia 9 and love it dearly for the things it does well. But in Game mode you absolutely will have to accept/suffer blooming. It's no where near as bad on Local Dimming High, but peak brightness takes a noticeable dip... too noticeable in my opinion. So you end up trading off either more noticeable blooming for more noticable capping of the peak brightness (not a great feeling when playing high-end games, honestly). And also the blooming isn't just on white highlights in dark content, but also in gray screens as well. It's less noticable but odd to say the least and kind of annoying on PC. Not to mention, VRR is almost unusable. The VA Panel and possibly the reduced processing time allowed during VRR is the reason for this weakness I think. VRR has very noticable ghosting in both dark and light scenes. Which defeats one of the main points of VRR (smoothness of motion during variable frame rate). It's just too distracting, so I disable VRR always when in game mode on Bravia 9. The input latency I'd say is basically imperceptible. You're looking at 1 extra millisecond compared to most other TVs. No the blur and ghosting that happens in lower gray and dark elements (and VRR if you use it) is a far worse and more noticable issue that's liable to get you killed because it's harder to track things in motion. Also the TV has BFI... it's atrocious, don't use it. Same issue as VRR but worse because VA Panels have terrible dark pixel response and you're basically setting the screen to black every other frame. It looks less clear than not using BFI, lol.
For movies though? Bravia 9 punches way above what you'd expect from a MiniLED... unfortunately it's very expensive so it's hard to not just say... use an OLED if you're watching movies b/c you can get them cheaper and they'll look as good or better at times (especially in dark scenes) and you won't have to almost ever be concerned with burn in b/c unlike games and PC usage, movies are always changing the image with no static elements. That said, if you can get Bravia 9 for cheaper? Get it, it's almost as good as the top end OLEDs. I don't know... MIniLED is in a weird place right now.
This was looking somewhat promising for the Bravia 9, and then I saw that it's a thousand dollars more then the OLED.
Sounds like you’re already an LG lover. Sonys Bravia 9 and their OLED just won “King of TVs” for 6 years in a row! Funny you never mention that.
RTINGS does objective reviews, not subjective comparisons. They could care less about "king of tv's".
@@paulcox2447King of TVs is objective and, better yet, applies real world principles
Love how whenever a Sony tv is involved, sound is never mentioned at all 😂.
@@NeilCampbell-Kellam especially since the Bravia 9 beats the C4 black and blue on sound.
@madpistol yep totally agree. They did a review on the C4 vs B8 and again still did not talk about sound quality. Funny when they did a review of an LG vs a LG they did bring up sound quality.
Ppl who spend more than 2k on a TV doesn’t care about the built in speaker… even lower tier sound bar is better than any built in tv speaker 🤣
@@ElGrueso You'd be surprised. I sold Sony TVs at Best Buy for the past 2.5 years (just left a couple of months ago). OLED did not automatically mean that someone had external sound. I would say it was about 50/50. I sold a great many Sony OLEDs due to their superior built in sound.
Sony ALWAYS wins on sound. I mean, they've been in the audio game FOREVER and not just as another player but as a king in audio. RTings HATES Sony for some reason. For several years now they always seem to have an anti-Sony bias.
I bought the C3
I've got a 55"LG C OLED in my garden bar. I've also got an 85" Sony X90L in my living room. Love the X90L PQ. The OLED just crushes shadow detail really badly in scenes where I know the X90L would show information and detail the OLED shows none.
You can adjust the settings for dark scenes
@@markmd9 I do know this, it still crushes blacks. Tried all settings and different calibration setups. Compared to the XL90L it loses so much detail. I'm getting the bravia 9 next year
Weird I get zero black crush on my 2020 sony oled A8h. The shadow detail is so good it looked almost like bloom at first cause I could see the detail on the foreskin of a field mouse 😂
@@mrbungle589 maybe it's a better pic on the Sony. But I can watch one thing on the oled then go inside and watch the same thing and see the difference
@mrbungle589 Sony's are known for good shadow detail. It's the LGs that crush it like crazy. You got a good tv there
If you're in Europe or ANZ go for the TCL c855, it's 95% as good as the bravia 9 but 50% of the price
Hey guys great comparison and thanks for the effort you put in.
I don't understand how you concluded the weaknesses of the S90D at the end? Reflection handling and viewing angles are top rated in the written review and eARC always has to take up one of the HDMI 2.1 ports as they all are v2.1. What Abby said is correct though so maybe a mistake?
Thanks for pointing that out and sorry for any confusion, we've added a pinned comment to fix that mistake!
For the Samsung S90D, the cons should be:
- Worse in bright rooms than the LEDs
- No Dolby Vision or DTS support
- Can look a bit dim in SDR
Im good with my LG C3..
How does the S90D have "The best viewing angle of the lot" and "Sub-par viewing angle" at the same time?
We've added a pinned comment to fix that mistake! Thanks for pointing it out and sorry for any confusion!
For the Samsung S90D, the cons should be:
- Worse in bright rooms than the LEDs
- No Dolby Vision or DTS support
- Can look a bit dim in SDR
I have a dumb question. I'm new to owning a 4k tv and I can't watch it.
Went from a 1080 LG from 2010. My eyes never hurt, even while using it as a pc monitor.
But my TCL 4k Qled mini led within 5 mins is hurting my eyes, changed all the settings and turned off motion blur. It still hurts.
Bright room or dark doesn't matter it hurts. I switch back to my LG and my eyes got instant relief
Thats a you problem i think. I'm using a 42 OLED for my monitor and its directly in front of me and i use it for hours on hours every single day at max brightness. Love it. You might want to look into blue light glasses.
@16xthedetail76 yeah I'm not watching TV with yellow glasses. I returned the tv. No other TV has given me issues before.
I bought my C4 2 days ago.... Waiting for installation
you wont regret it , stunning pannel
LG C4 is super, I've had mine for 21 days and it's worth it, you're going to enjoy it a lot.
@@tigresa821 Thank you
Thanks for the info 👍🏽
Is LG planning on fixing the C4 gaming mode dimming problem?
Probably not, the same on G3, only G4 comes without dimming problem in game mode!
I’ve never been able to find these magical “bypass game mode” settings they always talk about with the C2.
I'll have to go and see in person. Currently have an LG C7, not sure if I could get used to any signs of blooming but tempting with no chance of burn in.
As someone who has a Bravia 9 and a C3, let me sum it up easily... you can make a Bravia 9 look like the C3, but you can't make the C3 look like the Bravia 9.
Bravia 9 wins easily.
For real!!!🎯 I do go for the supreme QD Mini-LED VA LCD of the Bravia 9 easily!
Well said. 👍
@@Dgj33yvsdn456 your tribalist virtue signaling just reflects poorly on you. Doesn't impress or convince anyone.
@@Dgj33yvsdn456 you also can’t get the C3 to output nearly 3000-nits. Oh well.
@@Dgj33yvsdn456 no facts about it. I own both OLED and miniLED. Stop acting like a child.
Bravia 9 is superior to any and all midrange and entry level OLED TVs, including the C4. It's about as good as the highest end OLED TVs such as: A95L, LG G4 and S95D from Samsung.
The funny thing is the s90d is basically the same as the much more expensive A95L, but best value for money
Here in Austria they basically cost the same (83" vs 85").
LG tem experiência sabe tudo o que faz LG é tudo em 1 é o melhor fabricante de TVS DISPLAYS etc do mundo LG capricha em tudo👑🏆
Decent review Abby. 2 things. First, you need to score the ABL category in your scoring system. The C4 would get a 2 perhaps, the B9 a 10, hence the B9 would beat some Oled overall scores. Second, the B9 would have beat a few Oled's if Rtings did not put as much rating weight in off angle viewing. I liked the B9 better up to 45-50 degrees and I have read many forums that say the same exact comment. The LG looks green and not as good in colors. So up to 45degrees, I would put the B9 at an 8, perhaps a 7. I would lower the C4 score as it tints and looks like garbage. So a question, why so much weight for that category when most only go off center 30-40 degrees max to view their TV's? The answer: to let Oled's get higher scores. Why not rate ABL, answer: As it would lower Oled scores.
The LG C4 is excellent in colors, I have it and in viewing angles it is perfect and mine has no green tint.
For me, burn in risk and also image retention in a household where tv might not be off long enough each day with heavy users in household. As well as wanting tv in service many years to come. Also as a gamer one of things I'm focusing on in next tv is one that can do dolby vision 120 which i think Bravia 9 can do but not sure about C4?
Why not make all HDMI ports 2.1? It doesn't seem like it would be a cost issue but I don't know.
It's a chipset limitation that's supposed to be fixed on next year's model. (Hopefully)
Sony can give 4 or 6 or 20 HDMI 2.1 ports all they want, but can the available SoC handle that many input ports? (Thanks, MediaTek!)
Like most good Sony stuff it's fully priced, that's for sure. "Surprisingly close when it comes to real content" sums it up, except it's not really surprising at this point. They've been stalking for a while. These TV both have incredible pictures.
Has LG given any reason why game mode is darker in the C4 compared to G4 and the cheaper B4
Was the "by clicking here" one for hdtvtest's vincent? 😂
9:08 thats all I want to hear. OLED it is
6:30 Horrible amount of Delta errors
I still don’t get the brightness issue for OLEDs. I have a G2 and had a C2 and always felt like I need to bump the brightness down a little.
It's not an issue. most of what you read is from people who will never get within 100 feet of any of these TV's. an OLED in 2024 is brighter than just about any LCD from 10 years ago. People act like no one was watching TV in a lit room prior to 2015 top-end LCD owners.
@@paulc5389 Same, I keep my C1 at like 50-60%, and i have no issues even in a living room with a lot of windows during the day. Sure dark scenes aren't the easiest to see sometimes, but that's not something an LCD can do any better than an OLED anyway.
@@paulc5389Mine is generally used in the evening when it's not an issue, plus I do have blackout curtains I can close if I'm worried about it. I was more just pointing out that it's not a a real issue anyway when I do use it in that scenario (like watching football on Sundays etc), and the types of content that's hard to see wouldn't be improved by an LCD anyhow. OLED's only have brightness problems with high APL content, but the low APL content is what is hard to see, and an LCD isn't going to improve that situation. The reflective coating is going to be what matters most in that situation.
@@paulc5389 It's not generally used in those conditions. Mostly in the evening, and I have blackout curtains if im too worried about it, but on the occasion im just watching football or something like that during the day, It's not really a big deal. In the situations it does matter, which is low APL scenes, and LCD has no real advantage anyway, and the reflective coating is the real difference maker.
Bravia 9 does better in outdoor very bright scene and still delivers crazy bright highlights.Most oleds would make it look like an overcast sky with highlights.The oled does do better in dark scenes but the bravia 9 is no slouch ,it does very well in dark scenes and highlights are there in full effect.I rewatched a bunch of my 4k movies on the bravia 9 because of the bright scene strength and highlights. I was actually impressed with the overall experience with the bravia 9 because the hdr abilities and the flexibility of playing with settings to get a picture that your happy with. Its the 85 inch bravia 9 also that im comparing it oled too so it has more zones than the smaller version.
I have an OLED and love it even though it's the CX. I am about to buy another TV but will be going mini LED. I am doing so because of brightness for the most part.
I just bought the LG C4, it's my first OLED and I love it, the risk of burn-in worries me, I see a logo and I force myself, I change the aspect ratio when I see black stripes, the signs worry me, but despite that, when I see that image, I think it makes up for all the worries. As long as it doesn't burn before 3 years I will be satisfied.
You know I get it with this comparison but the reality is the Bravia 9 is "head & shoulders" above ANY TV save for a VERY close comparison to the G4.. only those 2 sets which comes down to personal preference..
Great review👍
Surprising close... 4:51
For the s90d your review literally said 10 viewing angle and 9.5 reflection handling. Yet here you said it has “sub par” viewing angle and “disappointing reflection handling”
13:38 It's like they didn't bother looking at what they wrote as it says it has the best viewing angle of the lot in green then says it has subpar viewing angle in red.
How TF is it both RTINGS? Also how is it a con that one of the HDMI ports is eARC when all HDMI ports are 2.1 at 144hz capable on the S90D.
Instead the cons for the S90D are lack of Dolby Vision and Dolby sound with no built in Chromecast.
It's like someone just need to write cons and didn't bother cross referencing their other reviews.
That's an error on our part! Sorry for any confusion, but we've added a pinned comment to fix that mistake!
For the Samsung S90D, the cons should be:
- Worse in bright rooms than the LEDs
- No Dolby Vision or DTS support
- Can look a bit dim in SDR
6:39
Say that five times in a row.
I go for the Sony.
SDR content can be offset with a Retrotink4k HDR injection
When the LG C series used to be “Top-tier” lives long enough to become “Mid-tier” 😭😭😭
13:38 It's like they didn't bother looking at what they wrote for the S90D as it says it has the best viewing angle of the lot in green then says it has subpar viewing angle in red.
How TF is it both RTINGS? Also how is it a con that one of the HDMI ports is eARC when all HDMI ports are 2.1 at 144hz capable on the S90D.
Instead the cons for the S90D are lack of Dolby Vision and Dolby sound with no built in Chromecast.
It's like someone just need to write cons and didn't bother cross referencing their other reviews.
You also said that the S90D had better reflection handling then the LG C4 in the head to head vs now.
Thanks for pointing that out and sorry for any confusion, we've added a pinned comment to fix that mistake!
For the Samsung S90D, the cons should be:
- Worse in bright rooms than the LEDs
- No Dolby Vision or DTS support
- Can look a bit dim in SDR
At the end of the day the Sony seems overpriced. But, i can tell you the quality between the Japanese Sony and the Korean LG is night and day. My mom has had 2 LG OLEDs. Both have had display issues and needed repairs. She now has a Samsung OLED because of all the problems she had with the LGs. I have always had Sony TVs and I have never had a single issue with any of them. At the end of the day you get whay you pay for. Its like buying Honda (Japanese) vs Kia/Hyundai (Korean). The Honda will be more expensive with probably fewer bells and whistles, but will give you a reliable car for 10-15 years. The Kia/Hyundai will need a new engine by year 5. If you even have it that long before it gets stolen.
6:28 Something here is definitely wrong, the color errors on OLED tv are HUGE!! but lg g4 oled is better? how?
Personally feel the HDR gaming beightness on the C4 is a bigger deal. What normal consumer would know how to access service menus.
As someone who has played various HDR games on their Bravia 9 (Helldivers 2, Horizon Forbidden West, etc), the Bravia 9 is glorious for HDR gaming. It makes my C3 look mid-tier by comparison.
And the winner is...G4 with 83"🏆
Eu não conheço essa TV da SONY a SONY saiu do meu BRASIL por falta de venda mais eu tô pra ver uma TV MINI LED LCD passar em todos os testes de contraste e brilho etc sempre vai ter cena de filme etc ou seja aquelas que todo mundo assiste os fabricantes de TVS põe esses vídeo fácil pra valorizar o contraste nível de preto etc TVS MINI LED LCD o contraste é falso falha até mesmo em imagem que não é tão exigente
Great channel!
The Sony cost $1000 too much/over-priced.....no thanks
Can you do a video on the Philips 759 OLED please :))))
Can't get close in contrast... Every scene showed it looking identical lol
Hey wanna ask is the Q7 tcl better than Q6 despite 120 and 2.1 can't lie haven't had a 120 tv before so don't really know if its a deal breaker
How do you get around lower HDR brightness in game mode for the LG C4? You said there is a way around it, what is it?
C4 low SDR brightness: Can't you just increase background brightness?
LG G4 v Bravia 9?
G4
Would you go with OLED or Mini LED if you watch just cable TV shows, movies, sports and news channels 8-10 hours a day and the news channels would be on approximately 2- 3 hours a day.
'noticeably better in gaming'.
I'm sure i would notice the average picture level much more than the input latency difference.
You guys talk about the pricing but don’t actually tell us what is is - is that how you drive traffic to your site?
B9 smokes it easily
It's crazy that after all these years Sony continues to be behind everyone else in terms of offering HDMI 2.1 ports.. Sure you can use a switcher or something along those lines to have more ports but it's just ridiculous in my opinion and makes this generation of Sony TV kind of a "Wait for next year" kind of TV to me.
I personally would have made this comparison between the Samsung S90D vs the Sony Bravia 9 instead of the LG C4. And no I don't own an S90D...
Wait what? Thr c4 doesn't have usb 3.0?? How can i get gigabite LAN for it then?
Anyone have the instructions or a link to turn off the LG gaming mode dimming? I have a C1 - not sure if I can do it on that one?
The wine glass pour scene looks so infinitely better on the Bravia it makes me confused how someone would prefer OLED. Just to use one scene as an example. The strawberries also look crazy better
Microcontrast is why that glass pour looks better in person on the OLED than it does on the Sony.
The strawberries at the start on the Bravia 9 look 10 times better than the tomatoes on the C4. 🙂
A distortion caused by the brightness of the camera's video recording. In reality, the colors would probably be more saturated on OLED.
comparing color performance through a video is completely pointless.
@@ttnuagmada why? I would say that a TV that impresses through a video must look even more impressive in person.
@@techsamurai11 and you would be wrong. you're judging the performance and settings of whatever camera was taking the picture more than you are the TV's. There's also something called metameric failure, which is why calibrated TV's can look completely different from each other in color calibration over video even when they match each other in person. Even an edgelit LCD from 10 years ago would make an OLED look dull over camera just because it can get brighter in some cases. That's the only thing you can see in this video is increased brightness, and if increased brightness. LCD's have been the brightest display technology for a couple of decades now, yet Plasma and OLED always win any kind of PQ shootout, and even Rtings thinks a mid-range OLED is as good or better than the Sony despite what you think you see in the video.
People seem to exaggerate 10 times more 😊
“Buy it nice or buy it twice”. Go for the G4 or A95L .
LG 👍
Why don't tv's allow a user-selectable eARC port nomination? There's no hardware change just protocol and no reason tv menu couldn't allow any hdmi (2.0 or 2.1) to be the eARC return channel. Just seems silly to me cos if you have a ps5 and xbox AND a sound bar why not give the user the choice of running a 2.0 port as eARC? Anyway. I'm sure they thought of that and there's a reason not obvious to me
Once you get used to OLED you cannot go back to LED TVs the blooming and viewing angles become obvious. At the same time LG OLED is old tech at this point the next gen is QD OLED,, they need to buy some panels from Samsung because the brighter the lg oled gets the more washed out the colors look when you compare it to Sony and Samsung QD OLED.
Price: only a low sum of $5000+ for the sony
Yeah only cost like 5x that of a c4.
As i keep saying, having had one LG C3 OLED that only lasted 14 days i don't want another.
I can wait until next years mini-led models have a full set of 2.1 HDMI ports.
It's not just the C3, all modern tv's are crap built to fail within a couple of years. At least 14 days is still well within warranty.
@@SterkeYerke5555 All modern TV's usually last until the warranty expires, this one came with a 6 year warranty
Thankfully here in the UK we have the distance selling regulations that allow you to reject faulty goods bought oline.
This coved me without claiming on the warranty.
You are right about modern TV's, just look at how many fail during Rtings long term tests.
Price and brand mean nothing these days.
@@Barbarapape And that's just the hardware! Don't even start about the crap they're putting on there that they call firmware these days! Be it WebOS, Tizen, VIDAA or any form of Google/Android TV, I haven't found a single modern tv yet on which I didn't find any weird and annoying bugs within a couple of minutes.
@@SterkeYerke5555 I know all about Hisense's Vidaa, it has more bugs than you can shake a stick at.
You can't add or remove apps, it screws up HDMi switching and that is everytime you wish to change input.
LG keep releasing more updates that any other brand i have come across.
Will they ever get the message that we don't want or need a "Smart" TV, just one with HDMI inputs that work.
@@Barbarapape That in itself is already posing a problem for some modern tv's. I got into a debate with Philips about the audio being out of sync by roughly 40 ms on any of the HDMI inputs. Philips just straight up denies that that's a problem, as 40 ms is well within spec according to them. That's 2 frames on a regular broadcast though! And if it didn't stand out to me, I wouldn't've measured it in the first place! OTOH, LG does in fact create mostly working inputs (despite annoying screen tearing on a 720p input), but their audio goes way out of sync (200 ms) when using the internal tuner. How the hell did we lose such basic functionality over the past 15 years?
The green tint is also present an all my 42 inch c3 :(
get them to put loadable profiles for the tv's.
Manually putting them in is annoying.
Does anyone recommend the root for the lg oleds?
I did something about a root old samsung phone. I think it broke it legit. Got it replaced and the phone place did it for me. Overlays started to work. what i was looking for for controller use for apps. place marker for the button on the the button of the game. Most apps support controllers anyways. IDK. WHY!!!
Haven't jailbroken or root anything ever since. I think it just has a bunch of junk apps. I don't really know what use it for. Kinda wanted overlays that's it.
Hi RTINGS, could you guys tackle using using the C4 as a computer monitor (perhaps vs other possible models). Has such a use case been improved on ever since the idea became more popular to try several years ago?
Thank you!
Loved the unusual comparison.
Just got me questioning thou why not mention as a con for C4 that it may Burn-in bc OLED.
Also, after the video abt (most)Edge-lit panels destroying the TVs bc heat+lights, all the 'Full Brightness Appeal' here from Bravia 9 doesn't really soothe my mind no more.
You're right that all OLEDs have potential for burn-in, but it isn't a huge issue as long as you watch varied content. You can also be glad to know that the BRAVIA 9 has full-array backlighting, so it's much less prone to any of the heat issues that edge-lit TVs face!
Because that’s barely an issue. I have a LG B8 with 10,000 hours on it. Zero burn in.
It took over 15000 hours to get it, but my LG E7 (professionally calibrated) has noticeable burn in. That said, it’s from our viewing habits.
@@peterseinfeldDo you game? I mostly game and watch RUclips. I really don’t watch much TV or movies at all. I’m worried about games and the RUclips UI getting burned in. I’m debating going miniLED for that very reason.
Non issue for burn-in, you get a 5 year panel warranty...
I’m mostly a SDR watcher, brightness and better highlights are more important to me than inky black. I’d buy the Bravia 9 before any Oled, but I will be getting the 85 inch Bravia 7 instead because it’s cheaper. Since it’s just me and it’s gonna be in my Bedroom I’m not worried much about viewing angles
Samsung S90C👍 them strawberries on sony though damn..
I am so confused about why the OLED wins in viewing angle there. Just pausing at 43 degrees, or even less, the skin tone is so far off it's unwatchable IMO. The Sony is watchable for a significantly longer amount of time. Is that just me or do people think the C4 looks better here?
You would actually have to own one to know the difference. The camera will often make things look different when doing these reviews...
C4 is the most overrated (not saying it’s a bad TV!) TV
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I don’t really understand the point of this video when the Sony is in the price bracket of the G4.
Exactly compare with a G4
The G4 crushes it.
Bravia 9 for life!!! OLED is for cinema purists
I use my TV as my monitor in my living room, so I will never buy an OLED.
You are absoluty fantastic, the most professional approach I have ever seen on yt and at all. In my country there are very good specialists in this area but not as good as you. You have my great appreciation. Fantastic job 😎
Thank you so much for watching and for the kind words! 😄 We're glad we're able to help!
Sorry, but the dirty screen on the Sony is terrible. How on earth a 2024 top of the line Sony tv could have that level of dirty screen? The LG oled all the way.
bravia 9 😍😍😍
She's awesome
Mid range OLED.
The presenter looks like the lost sister of Try from channel My Life in Gaming :D