Some of you have pointed out that we have a slight mistake at 9:12! That's supposed to be the Sony A95K on the right, a QD-OLED. Our mistake there, but thanks again for pointing it out!
For this test, did you use C2 or C2 Evo? It's really important to highlight this as the EVO panel uses deuterium which is more stable, hence less subject to burn in.
Samsung would fail one of their techs broke my TV and I am currently seeking legal action against the third-party repair center. I will never buy another Samsung.
Warranty experience and consumer protection laws varies greatly in different regions, so documenting warranty process from just one location would at best be useless for majority of people, and downright misleading at worst.
@@elijahpalmer6323 We got a soundbar system from samsung, and after sending it back, we don't hear for months, only to hear they lost our soundbar, now they promise us our money back but it's been 3 weeks. we as well will never buy from samsung again either.
You guys are doing the work of a real Consumer Reports outfit. You're methodology and consistency are showing the rest how product testing should be done.
I can't stress enough how much they are misleading you. How about you find out for YOURSELF and then report back? I've had the best OLED monitor on the planet for 18 months with ZERO issues. But I'm SMART about it. It's not much work, and it's the best picture quality by a mile.
I was mesmerized by your presentation because it was obvious that you absolutely love what you're doing. It was also very objective and research based - but more importantly - your findings were unbiased and suggesstive, rather than conclusive and absolute. As an aside I have onre of the last production models of a Panasonic plasma (2012 I think?) and it looks as good as new. Great picture, black level, color fidelity, and no burn in. Great video. Thank you.
@@kappa171086how is the quality of your screen in relation to the burning of pixels do you play? Do you see movies and series with black belts? I bought the s90c.
You guys made me buy lg c1, and for sure, it was the best tv i could buy in 2021, still amazing and literally 0 issues, i watch movies, series and play a lot in 4k, thanks guys
I watched Howard the Duck yesterday on my C1😂 The Rtings review of the LG C1 was a main source of info when i purchased it. I wanted a Gaming/movie tv and i got what was at the time, best bang for buck tv.
Please keep it going! I've been an Insider for almost two years and you helped my father and I pick so many products! And Abby is really killing it in these videos! :D
Well, from an old bloke (in Australia) who understands 'analogue' and not digital this video was helpfully enlightening. Old saying, 'knowledge brings understanding'. So thank you. 😊
As someone who uses their LG C1 primarily for gaming this is great info. I can put in long hours on some games (currently playing Jedi Survivor) so it is super important to make sure I don't suffer from HUD burn in. Thus far I have not noticed any after two years ownership. Long may it stay this way.
@@Captainrave thats not how burn in works on oleds. its cumulative. the pixels have a life span and degrade just by being used. that degradation is what causes burn in.
@@BlkInc1 LG has been making OLED TV's the longest, I'd hope that they are the best if considering and OLED. Lol. I bought the C2 last year and I've had it on A LOT for hours and hours, even on news channels with banners. Still 100%. No dead pixels, no burn in whatsoever.
Great work and very informative video. I’ve got an LG 65” C9, a 48” C1, and just bought an LG UST 4K projector as a result of how well these LG’s have performed with all the things we put them through (gaming, movies, TV, etc). That said, it’s additionally reassuring to see how well the LG lineup held up to minimize and prevent burn in compared to Sony, Samsung, and others. Thanks for all that you do RTings team over the years, and shout out to Abby for the excellent presentation in this video.
@@tomjones5338 picture quality difference is huge though from LEDs, although Mini LEDs are a great middle ground that are far better than LEDs (but worse than OLEDs) and have no burn in issues. However good quality OLEDs these days (WOLEDs that are time tested) from brands like LG are gonna be fine for 5+ years of use. Pro tip is to never be the first buyers of a new technology on the market, let it stay there for a few years and let the manufacturers fine tune it and fix major issues with it (eg - QD-OLED's burn in) before investing your hard earned money.
Its not insane at all. A business would sooner or later fail if it points out all its major flaws and quicker if it does so in an organized and reputable manner like rtings. Is it fair they don't do it? No. But its 100% normal and understandable (business-wise)
I purchased an LG C2 back in October and I baby that thing out of fear of burn in. The fear has always been real in the back of my head. This truly helped ease my concerns 😅
Normal use you shouldn't have a problem. Though this test is trying to simulate real-world conditions, it's still compressing the time usage into a smaller window to get results sooner. And DON'T run the pixel refresher unless you see a real problem. The refresher ages all the pixels at once, though it does a good job at making the screen uniform.
No need to baby it. I have a lg c8 with 17,516 hours on it of 60/40 gaming tv watching. It doesn’t show any signs of minimap, hud or tv channel logo burn in
I've been using my LG C1 OLED as my desktop display for 19 months now (8+ hours per day) and no issues whatsoever. No burn-in, no color shift. It's still as beautiful and vibrant as ever. Very happy with it!
I've been using my Lg C1 55 inch as a 24/7 pc monitor for work since the start of 2022 and its been rock solid in terms of burn in. I was initially quiet worried about that but I've been basically abusing the hell out of it , oftentimes leaving bright white static images on it all night. There's no major image retention and once it does its cleaning process , everything is like new again. I was bummed that I just missed out on the QD-Oleds and better LG panels but still I am super happy with the C1, got it for a decent price and I don't see any reason to update anytime soon specially if the QD-Oleds have burn in issues.
I got an LG CX and use it for gaming a lot. Some games I've played had quite bright HUD's which was a concern. But when I check I can't see any signs of burn in. LG has built-in software to detect and dim on-screen logo's, moves the picture slightly to help prevent issues and has a pixel refresher feature. LG are still providing system software updates too. Happy with my choice :)
LG B8 55". I've been using it as a monitor, and it has 15200 working hours now. I do a lot of web browsing, YT watching, gaming, and a lot of other stuff with fixed elements on the screen...never even seen any image retention, no problems at all. I was thinking of replacing it with a 65" Samsung S95C, but I will definitely go with the G3 after this test.
Mine had 27,000 hours, and was literally perfect before I gave it to my mother back in Feb, used as a PC monitor, basically ran 24\7 even overnight, to prevent pixel refresh running
If you're doing the same things on your PC daily you won't notice image retention. Notice how in the video they have to put on a gray screen to notice the CNN image retention. If you have the same web browser up all day or same word processor, you simply wouldn't notice it as the static elements will be in the same place.
If you are using a pc on an Oled type display, I recommend switching to a dark mode for any application. Also, enabling a screen saver helps when you are away from your pc. I never had a problem with screen burn in on any of my Oled displays. Although, any display in theory could get burn in over time depending on usage.
Im gaming on my 65 lg c1 for over a year now on my laptop via hdmi. Also ps5 and so far, knock on wood havent had any issues. I don't baby it at all some 6 hour sessions with WoW and other games. I would never game on any thing else after. I love my oled. Best damn tv ive ever owned :)
@@RCmaniac667 completely backwards comparison bud! With the phones, the screens are made on top of the battery! No heat dissipation will always make any OLED-QD/AMOLED screen burn a lot quicker since having static apps and on top of the heat is just begging for issues! 😅
This is the first product comparison that has really caught my interest. While great technical features are often important, it’s equally important that devices are durable and last a long time in use. Great work!
Holy crap, this was awesome. The host Abby was awesome too. Have always used the website, especially before buying my LG C1 early last year, but didn't even think if they had a YT channel. Praise the YT algorithm for recommending this?
Proud lg c1 55” owner here. Been running it strong almost a year. Love it so much especially with my Phillips hue lights set up. I’m very happy to see lg is doing great. I got my tv because it supports 120 fps gaming and Dolby vision as well hdr. I believe I got it on sale for around 1200 maybe 1100 at Best Buy.
If you're going to add QD OLED monitors, then you will probably want to also add WOLED monitors. It is equally conceivable that WOLED monitors might have additional methods compared to WOLED TVs for reducing burn in.
What a fantastic progress update! Thank you for providing us with exactly the interesting data and observations that we audience members are looking for 😄
My LG CX recently bit the dust that now only shows a 1 second flashing line before it shuts off again. I'm hoping replacing the T-Con and PSU will fix the issue but thought I'd let you know. This is after 15 months of usage.
I’m excited to see the QD-OLED monitor results to see if they fair any better than the QD-OLED TVs. Would it be possible to add an LG WOLED monitor to the test as well, like the 27GR95QE? With the peak brightness on that monitor only hitting around 600 nits along with the use of MLA tech to enhance efficiency, I feel as though it will likely be the most durable OLED in regards to burn-in, but I could be wrong.
The LG's only have 2 year warranty which does not include burn-in issues while the Alienware got 3 year warranty and included burn-in issues. So even if the LG is better in that regard, the 3 year warranty including burn-in issues would be the better pick.
well I am using the 45'' ultrawide version of that 240hz 1440p monitor and its awesome I don't think I will be upgrading my oled tv until we get 4k @ 240hz 240hz on oled is game changing I have a 4 year best buy protection plan on the 45'' lg oled 240hz so will report back
@@zachariekelley i wouldnt tell people that information if you dont know it to be correct. I have seen dozens of reputable people who say the opposite. If the wording on the LG warranty does not specifically say “burn in” or “permanent image retention” they will not replace it. Dont get peoples hopes up because you “heard somewhere” that lg will replace tour screen once for burn in. I have been watching every oled review for a long time and i have never heard of that
Always love the detailed and continued research into these topics from Rtings. Love seeing the quality of content and data on the site grow over time. :) I'll be watching closely to see those findings on the resistance to burn-in for those QD-OLED monitors.
Can you please bump your RUclips video resolution to 4K? At 8:26, it's challenging to discern the same details you mentioned due to the significant compression, which makes it difficult to notice any image retention. Additionally, at 11:03, the video appears to be heavily compressed. What occurs during that time?
these are some crazy findings! glad you guys are doing large scale tests like this, being one of the few reviewers that have the financial ability to be able to. I feel like oled burn in is a HUGE topic of concern online. i think the danger is fairly overstated, (especially because oled is awesome and definitely worth it among other choices at the moment), but it's pretty shocking to see the qd oled deterioration. guess i'm even happier owning a c2 now (as a monitor!)
It IS a huge topic of concern for many people online, and it IS way overstated. It's a simple choice - if you're going to have a news or sport logo, or the same HUD on all the time for hours without rest, then maybe OLED isn't for you. Plenty of good alternatives. Otherwise, the picture quality just cannot be beat.
@@barryschwarz most HUD elements aren't anything close to full bright white and even most TV watermarks are far less obnoxious than CNNs, so it's definitely an overblown issue, particularly when colour slides can go some way to curing it which i didn't know previously
@@BleedForTheWorld No, you won't notice burn in if a TV is not used lots of the time, especially OLEDs since 2020. All TVs degrade with time. Burn in is not something you'll inevitably see on every OLED panel after a long time.
@@barryschwarz I've had my TV that I use well over 12 hours a day since 2018 and that equals to about 20,000 hours of usage - no image retention whatsoever. OLEDs are truly a luxury for those that keep purchasing new TVs and upgrading like they do with smartphones every 2-3 years.
Ok smarty pants 👖... Why you have to correct her? Prooving you are more smart .. then why don't you made a video for yourself and say the right thing only... I asked you so many things on your channel and i got no answer... Atleast rtings are giving answers and you are just stopping the FOMo 😂
This is super interesting and relevant to newer OLED monitors - which are much more likely use case scenarios that would be impacted by burn-in. Despite the marketing and industry wide adoption, it seems like OLED still aren't suitable to use as "general use" monitors.
This project is REALLY interesting! Im glad I found this Video right before I was going to buy an Oled TV. Now I'm 1000% sure if im going to buy an Oled TV, its going to be from LG. My current one is from LG at I have this for many years now. Its still amazing
Got the AW3423DW in early January and am curious to see how the monitors will perform. Personally I let the pixel refresh run every 4 hours or so (unless I'm actively gaming or working). I have also taken the standard precautions such as a hidden taskbar, rotating desktop background, no shortcuts on the desktop and a 2-3min no-use sleep on it in windows. No image retention as of yet. I use it for at least 4-5 hours a day, if not more, though the content is varied.
Just pointing out Burn-in has always been with screens, I've been in the Television industry for over 40 years, even the old CRT TV's suffered from it, so it's nothing new. What has made the problem worse is the TV stations etc. insisting on putting high brightness branding/logos on top of their video streams (this never happened in the old days).
Don't LG OLEDs aggressively detect static logos and then wind the brightness down?. This would explain the Sony vs LG differences - when it's the same panel. I don't own a LG OLED myself, but I've seen one auto dim with out the box settings. And there's no way I could watch the TV when it's like that. But have to admit it's a little concerning, considering I was planning on going down the QD-OLED road this year.
Might want to wait one more year before jumping on QD-OLED wait to see how well the S95C fares and if it's fixed most of the issues that were present with the S95B. If it looks like Samsung fixed things then can get a 3rd gen QD-OLED.
Very helpful. You're really improving your TV testing a lot with how you measure brightness now and adding this well-rounded longevity test really gives customers a great overview. Bravo and keep it up!
Thank you for your testing! Interesting results. I remember Samsung boasting their QD-OLED tech is much less prone to burn-in than WOLED. Didn't age well, eh? On the other hand I planned to replace my C1 in the future for QD-OLED, let's hope Samsung will improve it to be at least as good as WOLED burn-in wise.
After seeing burn-in on the Samsung QD OLED on the floor models at Best Buy and seeing this analysis I’m feeling much better about getting an LG G2 last month to replace my burned in older tv.
My CX I bought 3 years ago and use for gaming, movies/shows, and general web browsing is still doing great. Very light rectangular clouding in certain zones if I display a near-black grey screen, but in viewing solid color screens and dynamic content, I cannot see anything, even knowing where those rectangles are.
Samsung products are overhyped garbage (from experience). Washers, dryers, refrigerators, soundbars, televisions, phones, etc. The tech is impressive on paper, but the quality control issues and cutting corners below the surface while charging outrageous amounts of money isn't worth it. Bought an s95B this past fall to replace an LG and with all of the issues I've had so far (lagging Tizen OS, remote control with a mind of its own, dishonest advertising about brightness and picture--they keep releasing firmware that nerfs performance to save from burn-in---prob why these pieces of trash are heavily discounted---and other glaring issues), I should've gone with another LG instead. When this thing bites the dust, consider me LG’s prodigal son. Samsung needs to stop cutting corners and start being honest with it's customer base. And please don't get me started on their abysmal customer service. Edited to add the s95b nerfing firmware updates issue and their dishonest advertising.
@SSH People are so damn spoiled nowadays lol. Can’t even be bothered to close the blinds to watch TV anymore. 😂 Just get a Samsung mini-LED with its 2000nit backlight so you can enjoy Netflix without needing to remove your Raybans, it ruins your outfit.
That's a great test and I'm very glad to see that you guys are doing this as this is something that absolutely needed to be done. However, one thing that it does actually illustrate (that wasn't really noted in the video) is that it shows just exactly how hard it really is (and how much time it takes with the SAME image on the screen) before any of the new modern OLEDs and QD-OLEDs will exhibit any evidence of burn in at all. The good news here is that most people actually DO change channels in their homes multiple times a day and usually only watch the same channel for a few hours at a time before moving on to something else, switching to a streaming source, watching a Blu-ray or playing a video game. Variety is clearly your friend here! Keep in mind that the more frequently you change content and sources, the less likely you are to ever burn an image of any kind into your screen. In reality, most typical owners of these sets will never even come close to burning an image into their screens in their lifetime. Something to keep in mind for any OLED or QD-OLED owner.
@@Akyax I know you already got your answer to this question but you do realize it doesn’t matter about the duration or the content that’s being displayed. Just enjoy your TV.
Great comment I hope others pay attention to what you said no one is going to watch one channel 18 hours a day two weeks straight on your display settings turned up this super brightness in your display protection settings turned off. This is a dumb video review
Love this durability test! I am in the evaluation phase to possibly replace a perfectly operating 2007 vintage Pioneer Elite 50” plasma. I’ve read the longevity and reliability of many modern TV’s are suspect and don’t last very long. Obviously I keep items for a long time, so tests like this are valuable. Love rtings!
I still use my 2013 Samsung 60" f8500 plasma in my extra room. It's funny how it "just works" and the smart features can easily be avoided. In my other rooms I have gone through 6 TVs since 2013. What I have learned is that poor software quality limits longevity. Over time a bug will appear and or a software update will introduce a new bug. This has happened with multiple manufacturers.
@@ReinKayomi $3500. The Elite was a model line only available is high end stereo stores, and not Best Buy, Costco, etc. It has mounted vertically on each side detachable 20W powered speakers, so it has great sound. It’s only a 1080p so the screen is adequate relative to today’s standard, the side viewing is great, and there are no glitches with its operation. I run my streaming through a Roku unit. The Elite series is no longer offered. A buddy of mine who worked for Pioneer 10 years ago told me the factory was shut down because the TV was too expensive to make given others and the profit margins. He’s advised me to keep it. Logically it’s hard for me to move in from something that is working fine and doing it’s job, but when I see those bright TV’s at Costco, it’s hard not to get drawn in. Then aI remind myself I’ll need to get a soundbar, have to to deal with the software glitches, and so on. I like simple and reliable, so I’m sticking with the Pioneer…for now.
@ReinKayomi I had an even earlier pioneer 43" plasma, maybe around 2005 and that cost me $5000 Australian dollars, roughly £3000 as I'm English and always convert back to that. I don't know your currency, but you get the idea. Plasma was cutting edge back then and pioneer were the rolls Royce of plasma back then. Terrible burn in from gaming though, I had images burnt in all over it.
Glad to see the added monitors. I used a AW3423DW for almost 2 months for 60% gaming and returned it due to a flicker issue on the GSYNC module. No burnin signs on the panel, the fans were audible at night but not disturbing and the text looked good for me, no issues there. Decided to go for the AW3423DWF model since the GSYNC module has virtually no use to me and the fact that you can update the firmware is crucial IMO, just when i was about to empty my wallet you decided to add it to the test :)) I will be patiently waiting now. My good old trusty PG279Q will have to sit in landscape mode for a bit longer.
Firmware update crucial? This dell is 1 year old already, if something was wrong with the firmware it would be already known. Did you ever update a firmware in your previous monitor?
@@supermeseriasu I would say yes. The best OLED I tested so far. I had the LG 27inch and LG C2. The DWF has better coating vs the LG 27 inch and way less VRR flickering vs both LG's. Colours are great. Wide screen provides some more immersion vs standard 27inch. I use only 40% brightness at max so burn-in won't be an issue. You can also tweak it to have 165hz @ 10bit colors using a custom resolution.
I have 2 TCL TVs and love them! The 55R646 Google TV and the 65R655 Roku TV. Both are amazing for TV, Movies, Apps, (800+ channels of free TV if ya got the internet) Gaming (PS5) & using as PC monitor with my gaming laptop hooked up HDMI and both are 4k 120hz & 144hz with 2.1 HDMI. Once ya dial in the settings for SDR, HDR, Dolby etc and save them they look amazing imo and zero problems so far. One is 2021 other is 2022 both 6 Series and both get a ton of use like on 8 to 12 hours a day use.
TCL has always been reliable for me and my family. Out of all the budget brands they are the most consistent. They put in a lot of effort to help their brand name and it shows
@@joecool4656 Also the Rtings of the 2.1HDMi TCL 2021 & 2022 versions are like only 2.0 pts less than the C2 which is $500 more & better than the SONY of the same class which is $300, more.
Just bought a Samsung S95C 77" and my first one was bent, could have been my fault hard to say. However, when turning it off sometimes a green pixel in the bottom right corner would stay on at full brightness. I had best buy swap this tv and one connect box out within the return period and so far so good for the past few days. I'm nervous about these sets as my primary source is my PC but I have it set to a black background with a hidden start menu and can't tell when the damn thing is even turned on. My primary use is Plex & gaming. It is a great looking display though. Bright enough to burn your eyes out of their sockets and dark enough to be frustrating as to why it won't turn on.... when it already is. Also the OS/menu is trash and the input detection on PC is beyond frustrating as it doesn't always display or detect once the pc has awoken. If the G3 comes out soon I might swap it out if I'm able largely due to things like this rtings video. Very torn.
I'm still rocking the 50" Panasonic plasma I bought in 2007. The color and the blacks are still wonderful. Its been the most dependable electronics I've ever owned to date .
My 2011 60 inch Zenith plasma just lost video. Picture was fine before it dropped out. Going to see if I can repair. It is basically the same set as the LG 60 inch. I have always enjoyed the natural color of the plasmas and of course the good off angle view.
This is super useful info! Although I wonder if running TVs for 5x the normal hours in a day that they’d normally run is the same as 1/5 of the hours over 10 years with the tv able to cool off more between viewings. Still the point is to see which ones fail.. so still useful
5:41 ... the problem im looking at here.. is that on the left it's actually a white color, while on the right its a green-blue color. But they are supposed to both be white...?
They are and likely will continue to be the best OLED purchases in most areas. They have many more years of experience especially with hdmi 2.1 gaming features working properly.
@@jjhervey4153 I got my S95B for effectively 300€ in Germanym, after selling a lot of stuff that was part of a bundle promotion. I'm very happy with that^^
@@berkertaskiran Im not sure if the absence of white subpixel is the reason QD-OLED burned in at much faster rate. LG Oled TVs recognise static images like Logo's and dim them by allot, whyle keeping the rest of the image bright. This could be one of the reasons LG TV had no burnin.
@@Totone56 I got an S95b 65 for $1000 and that was a bit much, I couldn't imagine forking over $2800 for a C3 and probably wouldn't for a microled either.
Thank you for running this extensive test (and for the more detailed explanation this time how and what you are running). That's not good news for QD-Oled which, at it's introduction, was hyped for being less prone to burn- in than WOled - too bad that this doesn't seem the case. I hope this year's second generation really is 2x more durable aka less prone to burn- in. Would be cool if you could enter a Samsuns S95C in the test as well to see if there is any improvements with this year's QD-Oleds.
I'm less concerned about the burn in, and more concerned about how long the subpixels last. I know red and green traditionally fade before blue. I wonder how that will be with QD-OLED.
It does not surprise me that a Hisense started on fire. They consistently get good reviews for image quality vs. cost but there is a reason they are cheaper. They have to cut corners somewhere to come in at that price point, and it is often in internal component quality. Some of the big brands certainly overcharge but there is the other side of that coin too.
Knock on wood but I’ve had my LG G1 for a year now and I’ve mostly played games on it. So far no burn-in! No wonder LG was confident to provide a 5 year panel warranty.
I'm so glad you guys have started a RUclips channel! I have used your website for yeeears to buy all of my electronics I could find on there. My keyboard, mouse, gaming headset, monitor, etc. Now I'm looking at TVs and I'm torn between LG C2 and S95B. I tend to like Samsung products, but this helped solidify the decision to stay away from their TV. Definitely subscribed with excitement and I look forward to future videos.
This is actually our second channel focussed on R&D content. Our main channel has been active for several years! 😊 as far as help with your purchase, if you want to reach out to our experts, you can do that via our insider forums! www.rtings.com/forums/insider-advice
When I bought my plasma tv years ago, there was a lot of talk about burn in and pixel burn. I haven’t had an issue, but I also followed some advice of the time. I don’t watch too long anything that has a banner or something stagnant that could burn in. Like watching cnn for an hour or two, yes, but leaving it on all day, no. I also periodically run something that is in the tv that scans the screen with black to prevent burn in, or to remove any temporary or minor burn in when you have watched something with a stagnant image. I’ve been thinking of buying an OLED, and was wondering if I can expect the burn in issue to be similar to plasma tvs.
I own a Q80a, and considering Samsung's customer service being of subpar quality compared to other companies, I'd love to see how it fares and if it's at all in the spotlight (I also hope it's been included in the test).
@Cyrus T Wolfwood Very true. Unlike in the smartphone or gaming sectors, where most hardware can easily be repaired or replaced, the TV industry is more closed-minded on this idea and would rather point you to buy the newest TV or try a third party.
This is such an awesome thing that RTINGS is doing. I was very close to returning my new LG OLED because I was buying all the hype that QD OLED was the savior of OLED burn in. I still think it’s good tech, looks like it has some growing pains though.
This is one of the big reasons I'm hesitant to adopt OLED/AMOLED, sure it looks incredible, but after having an AMOLED phone for 5 years and the sheer amount of permanent burn in is staggering.
phones tend to be kept at high brightness and viewed in bright conditions like outside in the sun, they also have almost continuous static items on screen, although in all fairness I don't think its such a too bad if you get 3 years without burn in and then upgrade? I know many like to hold on to their phones for ages and in those cases i'd advise against a phone with an oled screen.
I own Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra no burn in 3 years what you do is turn phone on standby when not using don't use hours on end static content same OLED TVs
I'm a little surprised that you didn't comment that choosing the white static picture elements from CNN for your test might be a "best case" for WOLED because of that white subpixel you discuss. At the beginning of the video you mentioned static red in addition to white. Do the conclusions from red burn in show any differences from white?
There is technical basis for it and it is justified. QD Oleds are more energy efficient than color filter based woleds. If you were to test both panels under same TV design qd would last longer. What gives WOLED edge here is LGs 10 year experience with oled
It's interesting that the high-end TVs (X95J, G2, S95b) are actually the ones that are failing. You'd think that they'd be less likely to fail due to better QA, better materials and components. At the same time, they are the ones pushing the envelope.
I loved my two Panasonic plasma TVs, but had to let both of them go due to permanent image retention. I feel like I can’t trust OLED for the same reasons, especially when they cost as much as they do.
My Panny plasma- and my much older one I gave my brother 42" 720p ( Yeah that old ) - both doing fine - my 55" st60?? is only run at 55% brightness - still love the picture - OLED is much safer than Plasma - shame Panasonic's 77" is not MLA - doesn't matter - plan on getting best 77' or 83" in 2024 ( not Sony if crazy expensive )
I had a Panasonic plasma TC 42s2 and Later of a year or so got some image retention in the sides of the display, were not that terrible but noticeable to me even running every weekend the scrolling bar to fix it never went off the retention and ended with a green bar long and wide on the right side of the display, now if ask me to get anything that use organic materials like argon, xenon or even this material OLED wouldn't choice that and go by LED or MINILED.
I picked up an s95b on sale and it’s been incredible. Just jaw dropping every time. Glad to see burn in should be fine for tv and gaming usage! Thanks for the info!!
I got mine about 6 or 7 months ago as well and have been thoroughly impressed with it. I get distracted by my phone a lot and leave my TV paused on screens very often and have 0 burn in so far.
How in the world did you conclude that from this video? These TVs have burn-in in only 3 months of testing. That's only roughly 1,600 hours. That's a terrible result.
hey guys is there a 4K version of this video available? even at 1080p I cannot tell the difference on some slides. i guess that youtube compression really made it hard to distinguish.
I have been using 48" C1 as a PC monitor for more than a year. No signs of burn-in. I do not unnecessarily leave static elements on the screen for a long period and run a compensation cycle every 4 hours of use. We need more videos of Abby :)
Some of you have pointed out that we have a slight mistake at 9:12! That's supposed to be the Sony A95K on the right, a QD-OLED. Our mistake there, but thanks again for pointing it out!
Why are you not testing the alienware aw3423dw insted of the alienware aw3423dwf ? just wondering.
Shouldnt the comparison be with a Sony WOLED to compare compensation cycles and TV brands and not OLED Technology?
Petition to rename LG to WG.
For this test, did you use C2 or C2 Evo? It's really important to highlight this as the EVO panel uses deuterium which is more stable, hence less subject to burn in.
@@aaliyahebonyevedeshawn2153 as well as reportedly better heatsink!
As the TVs fail this would have been a great opportunity to document the warranty process for each display and level of hassle to get it fixed.
Samsung would fail one of their techs broke my TV and I am currently seeking legal action against the third-party repair center. I will never buy another Samsung.
@fivefingerdiscount do you know if this can be done but with two dif hdmi ports case those tv or cheap can you link the post
I think this type of usage may not be covered by most warranties.
Warranty experience and consumer protection laws varies greatly in different regions, so documenting warranty process from just one location would at best be useless for majority of people, and downright misleading at worst.
@@elijahpalmer6323 We got a soundbar system from samsung, and after sending it back, we don't hear for months, only to hear they lost our soundbar, now they promise us our money back but it's been 3 weeks. we as well will never buy from samsung again either.
You guys are doing the work of a real Consumer Reports outfit. You're methodology and consistency are showing the rest how product testing should be done.
Moral of the story: don’t watch cnn on your OLED TV
You can’t handle the truth! lol
Don't watch CNN at all
@@daveroski Clown spotted 🤡
@@daveroski lib clown trump won cry love from uk
watch skibidi toilet instead
Great study!
Also, can’t stress enough how much value RTINGS always brings to me as a consumer.
Why, the testing usage is bonkers and totally out of the realm of reality, and thus pointless.
@@vidiveniviciDCLXVI no it isn't karen, now go take your midol
I can't stress enough how much they are misleading you. How about you find out for YOURSELF and then report back? I've had the best OLED monitor on the planet for 18 months with ZERO issues. But I'm SMART about it. It's not much work, and it's the best picture quality by a mile.
@@davidferrara1909Not really misleading. By doing this they can show us which TVs and technologies will be best over long times, and pros and cons.
She looks like a woke leftist from Stanford 😂
This test is being done for all the right reasons (understanding how burn-in occurs and why). Great work.
I was mesmerized by your presentation because it was obvious that you absolutely love what you're doing. It was also very objective and research based - but more importantly - your findings were unbiased and suggesstive, rather than conclusive and absolute. As an aside I have onre of the last production models of a Panasonic plasma (2012 I think?) and it looks as good as new. Great picture, black level, color fidelity, and no burn in. Great video. Thank you.
This young lady needs to be your permanent video host. Her presentation is fantastic and enthusiasm is absolutely infectious! She awesome!!
Too bad she ruined her body with tattoos
Y’all are KILLING IT with these burn in tests!
😂😂😂😂 they are intensive tests that normally almost no user will undergo them on their television, I have a s95b and it is exceptional
these BURN IN tests are FIRE
@@kappa171086how is the quality of your screen in relation to the burning of pixels do you play? Do you see movies and series with black belts? I bought the s90c.
@@kappa171086still no issue?
Theses are extreme usage nobody should use TV like this
You guys made me buy lg c1, and for sure, it was the best tv i could buy in 2021, still amazing and literally 0 issues, i watch movies, series and play a lot in 4k, thanks guys
I have a 65” C9 bought in 2020,..using it daily,and still looks fantastic,as day one…absolutely no issues…
I watched Howard the Duck yesterday on my C1😂 The Rtings review of the LG C1 was a main source of info when i purchased it. I wanted a Gaming/movie tv and i got what was at the time, best bang for buck tv.
Please keep it going! I've been an Insider for almost two years and you helped my father and I pick so many products! And Abby is really killing it in these videos! :D
We can't thank you enough for continuing to support what we do! 🙌 Glad you're enjoying the videos!
Sure is. I hope it was her input to do that pun about burn-in and burning lol
@@HanmaHeiro We can confirm that yes, it was her input😂
what ? they only got 3 videos on the channel though ?
Well, from an old bloke (in Australia) who understands 'analogue' and not digital this video was helpfully enlightening. Old saying, 'knowledge brings understanding'. So thank you. 😊
As someone who uses their LG C1 primarily for gaming this is great info. I can put in long hours on some games (currently playing Jedi Survivor) so it is super important to make sure I don't suffer from HUD burn in. Thus far I have not noticed any after two years ownership. Long may it stay this way.
It’s not a concern since in so many scenes the HUD disappears and refreshes the pixels. As long as you don’t leave it on pause for 6 months 😂
@@Captainrave thats not how burn in works on oleds. its cumulative. the pixels have a life span and degrade just by being used. that degradation is what causes burn in.
@@modru2004 sounds like unless it's an LG they're not worth it then.
@@BlkInc1 LG has been making OLED TV's the longest, I'd hope that they are the best if considering and OLED. Lol. I bought the C2 last year and I've had it on A LOT for hours and hours, even on news channels with banners. Still 100%. No dead pixels, no burn in whatsoever.
Gamer 🤡
Great work and very informative video. I’ve got an LG 65” C9, a 48” C1, and just bought an LG UST 4K projector as a result of how well these LG’s have performed with all the things we put them through (gaming, movies, TV, etc). That said, it’s additionally reassuring to see how well the LG lineup held up to minimize and prevent burn in compared to Sony, Samsung, and others. Thanks for all that you do RTings team over the years, and shout out to Abby for the excellent presentation in this video.
Sony does compensation cycle after 6 hours, the test has no such a long off window.
It's insane that RTINGS has to do this for the consumer because, basically, the manufacturers can't (or won't) tell us
OLED is organic material that's what they don't tell u its bad for TVs stick to LED or Mini LED your far better off
@@tomjones5338 picture quality difference is huge though from LEDs, although Mini LEDs are a great middle ground that are far better than LEDs (but worse than OLEDs) and have no burn in issues.
However good quality OLEDs these days (WOLEDs that are time tested) from brands like LG are gonna be fine for 5+ years of use.
Pro tip is to never be the first buyers of a new technology on the market, let it stay there for a few years and let the manufacturers fine tune it and fix major issues with it (eg - QD-OLED's burn in) before investing your hard earned money.
Cough Samsung
@@tomjones5338LG WOLED doesn't have this problem
Its not insane at all. A business would sooner or later fail if it points out all its major flaws and quicker if it does so in an organized and reputable manner like rtings. Is it fair they don't do it? No. But its 100% normal and understandable (business-wise)
This is kind of insane that they did this long of a test holy shit. Beyond impressed, not to mention this answers all my concerns about OLED screens.
I purchased an LG C2 back in October and I baby that thing out of fear of burn in. The fear has always been real in the back of my head. This truly helped ease my concerns 😅
Normal use you shouldn't have a problem. Though this test is trying to simulate real-world conditions, it's still compressing the time usage into a smaller window to get results sooner. And DON'T run the pixel refresher unless you see a real problem. The refresher ages all the pixels at once, though it does a good job at making the screen uniform.
No need to baby it. I have a lg c8 with 17,516 hours on it of 60/40 gaming tv watching. It doesn’t show any signs of minimap, hud or tv channel logo burn in
I've been using my LG C1 OLED as my desktop display for 19 months now (8+ hours per day) and no issues whatsoever. No burn-in, no color shift. It's still as beautiful and vibrant as ever. Very happy with it!
25 months aaaand ist burnt in, and out of warrenty👍 my sony a1 did exactly this
I need more info, have you turned off any of the protections?
@@MrHejnis warranty doesnt include burn ins in most cases
*Just wait guys. It WILL happen. The you are in need of replacing it.*
@@Twitch_ModeratorLG OLED TVs mainly hardly any Sony Bravia OLED/QD OLED TVs very few Samsung QD OLED TVs
Very good and scientific test. I'm glad this is being done by rtings because it should be unbiased and not by companies of course.
how is this scientific? not every valid experiment is scientific.
this girl is annoying.
I've been using my Lg C1 55 inch as a 24/7 pc monitor for work since the start of 2022 and its been rock solid in terms of burn in. I was initially quiet worried about that but I've been basically abusing the hell out of it , oftentimes leaving bright white static images on it all night. There's no major image retention and once it does its cleaning process , everything is like new again.
I was bummed that I just missed out on the QD-Oleds and better LG panels but still I am super happy with the C1, got it for a decent price and I don't see any reason to update anytime soon specially if the QD-Oleds have burn in issues.
I got an LG CX and use it for gaming a lot. Some games I've played had quite bright HUD's which was a concern. But when I check I can't see any signs of burn in. LG has built-in software to detect and dim on-screen logo's, moves the picture slightly to help prevent issues and has a pixel refresher feature. LG are still providing system software updates too. Happy with my choice :)
U guys are crazy, I'm all for it!
I'm super excited to see how MLA fares against QD-OLED :D
LG B8 55". I've been using it as a monitor, and it has 15200 working hours now. I do a lot of web browsing, YT watching, gaming, and a lot of other stuff with fixed elements on the screen...never even seen any image retention, no problems at all. I was thinking of replacing it with a 65" Samsung S95C, but I will definitely go with the G3 after this test.
I also own a B8 55” and got burn in playing Rocket League.
Now I own a C1 65’’ and I just don’t play Rocket League anymore.
Mine had 27,000 hours, and was literally perfect before I gave it to my mother back in Feb, used as a PC monitor, basically ran 24\7 even overnight, to prevent pixel refresh running
If you're doing the same things on your PC daily you won't notice image retention. Notice how in the video they have to put on a gray screen to notice the CNN image retention. If you have the same web browser up all day or same word processor, you simply wouldn't notice it as the static elements will be in the same place.
@@pwd1134 Where did you read I do only one thing on my PC? :) 15580 working hours on the clock right now.
if you put on a full screen magenta colour picture you will definitely see the retention of the taskbar or header of the browser etc
Wow what a great experiment. Unbelievable amount of time, resources and energy goes into this. Glad this exists!
Really appreciate the effort you guys put into display tests and reviews
Mini led is best for static images for now
If you are using a pc on an Oled type display, I recommend switching to a dark mode for any application. Also, enabling a screen saver helps when you are away from your pc. I never had a problem with screen burn in on any of my Oled displays. Although, any display in theory could get burn in over time depending on usage.
Im gaming on my 65 lg c1 for over a year now on my laptop via hdmi. Also ps5 and so far, knock on wood havent had any issues. I don't baby it at all some 6 hour sessions with WoW and other games. I would never game on any thing else after. I love my oled. Best damn tv ive ever owned :)
No problem even on the phone? All oled phones i had got various degree of burn-in and i dont even crank the brightness past the middle
@@RCmaniac667 completely backwards comparison bud! With the phones, the screens are made on top of the battery! No heat dissipation will always make any OLED-QD/AMOLED screen burn a lot quicker since having static apps and on top of the heat is just begging for issues! 😅
@@RCmaniac667 i have tiktok burn in on my S21
@@73maplepiper i want to play world of warcraft with oled but wow has so many static UI items im afraid my actionbars and everything will burn in
This is the first product comparison that has really caught my interest. While great technical features are often important, it’s equally important that devices are durable and last a long time in use. Great work!
Holy crap, this was awesome. The host Abby was awesome too. Have always used the website, especially before buying my LG C1 early last year, but didn't even think if they had a YT channel. Praise the YT algorithm for recommending this?
Proud lg c1 55” owner here. Been running it strong almost a year. Love it so much especially with my Phillips hue lights set up. I’m very happy to see lg is doing great. I got my tv because it supports 120 fps gaming and Dolby vision as well hdr. I believe I got it on sale for around 1200 maybe 1100 at Best Buy.
wow a whole year!! unheard of for a tv!
Don't know how to thank you for such a wonderful efforts, love you RTINGS ❤
If you're going to add QD OLED monitors, then you will probably want to also add WOLED monitors. It is equally conceivable that WOLED monitors might have additional methods compared to WOLED TVs for reducing burn in.
i dont think they implemented any other method thenn on tv's :)
I heard that to a lot more refresh cycles on monitors.
What a fantastic progress update! Thank you for providing us with exactly the interesting data and observations that we audience members are looking for 😄
this girl is annoying.
My LG CX recently bit the dust that now only shows a 1 second flashing line before it shuts off again. I'm hoping replacing the T-Con and PSU will fix the issue but thought I'd let you know. This is after 15 months of usage.
Really appreciate your sober and methodical take on what many reviewers discount about the realities of OLED tech.
I’m excited to see the QD-OLED monitor results to see if they fair any better than the QD-OLED TVs. Would it be possible to add an LG WOLED monitor to the test as well, like the 27GR95QE? With the peak brightness on that monitor only hitting around 600 nits along with the use of MLA tech to enhance efficiency, I feel as though it will likely be the most durable OLED in regards to burn-in, but I could be wrong.
Doubt it. CNN is in SDR, the QD-OLED monitors have like 150 nits less brightness in SDR at peak. We're probably going to see a similar effect
The LG's only have 2 year warranty which does not include burn-in issues while the Alienware got 3 year warranty and included burn-in issues. So even if the LG is better in that regard, the 3 year warranty including burn-in issues would be the better pick.
@@johandeen6096 lg will replace your display once if it gets burn in. I had seen others comment that lg will replace a burn in display.
well I am using the 45'' ultrawide version of that 240hz 1440p monitor and its awesome I don't think I will be upgrading my oled tv until we get 4k @ 240hz 240hz on oled is game changing I have a 4 year best buy protection plan on the 45'' lg oled 240hz so will report back
@@zachariekelley i wouldnt tell people that information if you dont know it to be correct. I have seen dozens of reputable people who say the opposite. If the wording on the LG warranty does not specifically say “burn in” or “permanent image retention” they will not replace it. Dont get peoples hopes up because you “heard somewhere” that lg will replace tour screen once for burn in. I have been watching every oled review for a long time and i have never heard of that
Always love the detailed and continued research into these topics from Rtings. Love seeing the quality of content and data on the site grow over time. :)
I'll be watching closely to see those findings on the resistance to burn-in for those QD-OLED monitors.
I'm really loving how interactive Abby is compared to others that have done videos for RTings.
I agree
She's more alive
Honestly, I much prefer the more neutral, factual presentation that has been done on Rtings so far.
Can you please bump your RUclips video resolution to 4K? At 8:26, it's challenging to discern the same details you mentioned due to the significant compression, which makes it difficult to notice any image retention. Additionally, at 11:03, the video appears to be heavily compressed. What occurs during that time?
Thank you for doing actual testing and reviews unlike the other 99% of reviews on youtube which are just glorified ads
these are some crazy findings! glad you guys are doing large scale tests like this, being one of the few reviewers that have the financial ability to be able to. I feel like oled burn in is a HUGE topic of concern online. i think the danger is fairly overstated, (especially because oled is awesome and definitely worth it among other choices at the moment), but it's pretty shocking to see the qd oled deterioration. guess i'm even happier owning a c2 now (as a monitor!)
It IS a huge topic of concern for many people online, and it IS way overstated. It's a simple choice - if you're going to have a news or sport logo, or the same HUD on all the time for hours without rest, then maybe OLED isn't for you. Plenty of good alternatives. Otherwise, the picture quality just cannot be beat.
@@barryschwarz most HUD elements aren't anything close to full bright white and even most TV watermarks are far less obnoxious than CNNs, so it's definitely an overblown issue, particularly when colour slides can go some way to curing it which i didn't know previously
@@barryschwarz it's not just logos, it's anything because degradation is guaranteed on OLED panels. This isn't up for debate - it does happen.
@@BleedForTheWorld No, you won't notice burn in if a TV is not used lots of the time, especially OLEDs since 2020. All TVs degrade with time. Burn in is not something you'll inevitably see on every OLED panel after a long time.
@@barryschwarz I've had my TV that I use well over 12 hours a day since 2018 and that equals to about 20,000 hours of usage - no image retention whatsoever. OLEDs are truly a luxury for those that keep purchasing new TVs and upgrading like they do with smartphones every 2-3 years.
FYI the blue subpixel at 4:32 is actually OLED blue subpixel. Only R & G are QD pixels while the blue is from OLED passing through a scatter layer.
Ok smarty pants 👖... Why you have to correct her? Prooving you are more smart .. then why don't you made a video for yourself and say the right thing only... I asked you so many things on your channel and i got no answer... Atleast rtings are giving answers and you are just stopping the FOMo 😂
Can you tell me what could be the possible reason for the dead green line on the LG G2? Let's see how smart you are... Now correct me if I am wrong 😅
There is a theory that there's actually green oled stack on top of the 3 blue oled stacks, so the blue subpixel wouldn't be pure blue.
@@av4921lol the simple answer is sh@&!t happens and pray that you’re under warranty
That’s quite possible!
This is an excellent new test addition. Abby’s presentation of the content was great.
This is super interesting and relevant to newer OLED monitors - which are much more likely use case scenarios that would be impacted by burn-in. Despite the marketing and industry wide adoption, it seems like OLED still aren't suitable to use as "general use" monitors.
Using at reduced brightness extends OLED lifetime by a lot.
@@dtibor5903yea using the monitor with compromised quality extends use.
Pursuing “One tool for all purposes” always results in major problems. Can’t escape from “specific tool for specific purpose”.
@@dtibor5903the organic material still dies eventually and then it’s just an expensive paperweight 😮
Great video, looking forward to the 12 month mark, I also really enjoy the little funny edits you guys are making, keep it up!
Definitely looking forward to it as well and we're happy to hear you're enjoying the little edits! Thanks for watching as always :)
@@RTINGScomRD Fun and information go together like peanut butter and jelly. Can't wait for more updates! Especially on the monitors!
This project is REALLY interesting! Im glad I found this Video right before I was going to buy an Oled TV. Now I'm 1000% sure if im going to buy an Oled TV, its going to be from LG. My current one is from LG at I have this for many years now. Its still amazing
Got the AW3423DW in early January and am curious to see how the monitors will perform. Personally I let the pixel refresh run every 4 hours or so (unless I'm actively gaming or working). I have also taken the standard precautions such as a hidden taskbar, rotating desktop background, no shortcuts on the desktop and a 2-3min no-use sleep on it in windows. No image retention as of yet. I use it for at least 4-5 hours a day, if not more, though the content is varied.
is it Still good?
This is so much hassle to inform people, very appreciated test :)
Just pointing out Burn-in has always been with screens, I've been in the Television industry for over 40 years, even the old CRT TV's suffered from it, so it's nothing new. What has made the problem worse is the TV stations etc. insisting on putting high brightness branding/logos on top of their video streams (this never happened in the old days).
CRTs are less vulnerable to burn in. I have 4 (I need to stop) and I only see burn in on sets turned on 16+ hrs a day.
Or arcade monitors, they can have a massive burn in!@@dotmatrixmoe
Impressive work and I can't imagine how much effort went into this. I would like to request a whole series on TV diagnostics and how to fix them.
Definitely something to consider, thanks for sharing!
Don't LG OLEDs aggressively detect static logos and then wind the brightness down?. This would explain the Sony vs LG differences - when it's the same panel. I don't own a LG OLED myself, but I've seen one auto dim with out the box settings. And there's no way I could watch the TV when it's like that. But have to admit it's a little concerning, considering I was planning on going down the QD-OLED road this year.
Might want to wait one more year before jumping on QD-OLED wait to see how well the S95C fares and if it's fixed most of the issues that were present with the S95B. If it looks like Samsung fixed things then can get a 3rd gen QD-OLED.
Yes. They dim the screen a lot!
Hello, quick question. Did the TV size make any difference in image retention?
You guys are providing a great service. Keep it up!
Very helpful. You're really improving your TV testing a lot with how you measure brightness now and adding this well-rounded longevity test really gives customers a great overview. Bravo and keep it up!
Love the work guys, amazing to see proper burn in tests being done
Thank you for your testing! Interesting results. I remember Samsung boasting their QD-OLED tech is much less prone to burn-in than WOLED. Didn't age well, eh? On the other hand I planned to replace my C1 in the future for QD-OLED, let's hope Samsung will improve it to be at least as good as WOLED burn-in wise.
That's probably why they nerfed the brightness
lol moron still bought a oled ..... hahahah....
That’s Samsung for you. They constantly lie about their product’s capabilities.
@@wakaflockaproject still brighter than LG at least
@@Captainrave brightness is overrated
After seeing burn-in on the Samsung QD OLED on the floor models at Best Buy and seeing this analysis I’m feeling much better about getting an LG G2 last month to replace my burned in older tv.
You are safe I’ve watched lots of videos and you good. Esp with a g2 . I’ve watched videos on non babied c1’s at 15 000 hours with no sign of burnin
My CX I bought 3 years ago and use for gaming, movies/shows, and general web browsing is still doing great. Very light rectangular clouding in certain zones if I display a near-black grey screen, but in viewing solid color screens and dynamic content, I cannot see anything, even knowing where those rectangles are.
Samsung products are overhyped garbage (from experience). Washers, dryers, refrigerators, soundbars, televisions, phones, etc. The tech is impressive on paper, but the quality control issues and cutting corners below the surface while charging outrageous amounts of money isn't worth it. Bought an s95B this past fall to replace an LG and with all of the issues I've had so far (lagging Tizen OS, remote control with a mind of its own, dishonest advertising about brightness and picture--they keep releasing firmware that nerfs performance to save from burn-in---prob why these pieces of trash are heavily discounted---and other glaring issues), I should've gone with another LG instead. When this thing bites the dust, consider me LG’s prodigal son. Samsung needs to stop cutting corners and start being honest with it's customer base.
And please don't get me started on their abysmal customer service.
Edited to add the s95b nerfing firmware updates issue and their dishonest advertising.
I was a sucker and bought a s95b to use upstairs and my c1 downstairs and ended up returning it. You made the right choice
@SSH People are so damn spoiled nowadays lol. Can’t even be bothered to close the blinds to watch TV anymore. 😂
Just get a Samsung mini-LED with its 2000nit backlight so you can enjoy Netflix without needing to remove your Raybans, it ruins your outfit.
This is amazing testing! Consumer Reports wishes they were this thorough!
That's a great test and I'm very glad to see that you guys are doing this as this is something that absolutely needed to be done. However, one thing that it does actually illustrate (that wasn't really noted in the video) is that it shows just exactly how hard it really is (and how much time it takes with the SAME image on the screen) before any of the new modern OLEDs and QD-OLEDs will exhibit any evidence of burn in at all. The good news here is that most people actually DO change channels in their homes multiple times a day and usually only watch the same channel for a few hours at a time before moving on to something else, switching to a streaming source, watching a Blu-ray or playing a video game. Variety is clearly your friend here! Keep in mind that the more frequently you change content and sources, the less likely you are to ever burn an image of any kind into your screen. In reality, most typical owners of these sets will never even come close to burning an image into their screens in their lifetime. Something to keep in mind for any OLED or QD-OLED owner.
Does the diversity of content help prevent burn-in, or is it due to reducing the duration for which the same content is displayed on the screen?
@@Akyax the second one. You just want the average color most displayed by all the pixels to be nearly the same
@@vonj6173 Thanks, the first one then :D
@@Akyax I know you already got your answer to this question but you do realize it doesn’t matter about the duration or the content that’s being displayed. Just enjoy your TV.
Great comment I hope others pay attention to what you said no one is going to watch one channel 18 hours a day two weeks straight on your display settings turned up this super brightness in your display protection settings turned off. This is a dumb video review
Great work! Making me appreciate my LG C2 purchase even more.
This is why i love RTINGS, for invaluable information like this
Love this durability test! I am in the evaluation phase to possibly replace a perfectly operating 2007 vintage Pioneer Elite 50” plasma. I’ve read the longevity and reliability of many modern TV’s are suspect and don’t last very long. Obviously I keep items for a long time, so tests like this are valuable.
Love rtings!
How much is that plasma TV when you first bought it?
I still use my 2013 Samsung 60" f8500 plasma in my extra room. It's funny how it "just works" and the smart features can easily be avoided. In my other rooms I have gone through 6 TVs since 2013. What I have learned is that poor software quality limits longevity. Over time a bug will appear and or a software update will introduce a new bug. This has happened with multiple manufacturers.
@@ReinKayomi $3500. The Elite was a model line only available is high end stereo stores, and not Best Buy, Costco, etc. It has mounted vertically on each side detachable 20W powered speakers, so it has great sound. It’s only a 1080p so the screen is adequate relative to today’s standard, the side viewing is great, and there are no glitches with its operation. I run my streaming through a Roku unit.
The Elite series is no longer offered. A buddy of mine who worked for Pioneer 10 years ago told me the factory was shut down because the TV was too expensive to make given others and the profit margins. He’s advised me to keep it.
Logically it’s hard for me to move in from something that is working fine and doing it’s job, but when I see those bright TV’s at Costco, it’s hard not to get drawn in. Then aI remind myself I’ll need to get a soundbar, have to to deal with the software glitches, and so on. I like simple and reliable, so I’m sticking with the Pioneer…for now.
Modern TVs can last a very long time especially LCD TVs. Of course you can get unlucky and get a dud with anything.
@ReinKayomi I had an even earlier pioneer 43" plasma, maybe around 2005 and that cost me $5000 Australian dollars, roughly £3000 as I'm English and always convert back to that. I don't know your currency, but you get the idea. Plasma was cutting edge back then and pioneer were the rolls Royce of plasma back then. Terrible burn in from gaming though, I had images burnt in all over it.
Glad to see the added monitors. I used a AW3423DW for almost 2 months for 60% gaming and returned it due to a flicker issue on the GSYNC module. No burnin signs on the panel, the fans were audible at night but not disturbing and the text looked good for me, no issues there.
Decided to go for the AW3423DWF model since the GSYNC module has virtually no use to me and the fact that you can update the firmware is crucial IMO, just when i was about to empty my wallet you decided to add it to the test :))
I will be patiently waiting now. My good old trusty PG279Q will have to sit in landscape mode for a bit longer.
Dell provides 3 year warranty including burn-in. So can't go wrong there. I actually just ordered the DWF to try it out.
Firmware update crucial? This dell is 1 year old already, if something was wrong with the firmware it would be already known. Did you ever update a firmware in your previous monitor?
@@johandeen6096 You will be amazed!
@@johandeen6096 Is DWF worth the money?
@@supermeseriasu I would say yes. The best OLED I tested so far. I had the LG 27inch and LG C2. The DWF has better coating vs the LG 27 inch and way less VRR flickering vs both LG's. Colours are great. Wide screen provides some more immersion vs standard 27inch. I use only 40% brightness at max so burn-in won't be an issue. You can also tweak it to have 165hz @ 10bit colors using a custom resolution.
No one would have ever guessed that TCL & Vizio would be the only brands with no failures so far 😅
I have 2 TCL TVs and love them! The 55R646 Google TV and the 65R655 Roku TV. Both are amazing for TV, Movies, Apps, (800+ channels of free TV if ya got the internet) Gaming (PS5) & using as PC monitor with my gaming laptop hooked up HDMI and both are 4k 120hz & 144hz with 2.1 HDMI. Once ya dial in the settings for SDR, HDR, Dolby etc and save them they look amazing imo and zero problems so far. One is 2021 other is 2022 both 6 Series and both get a ton of use like on 8 to 12 hours a day use.
TCL has always been reliable for me and my family. Out of all the budget brands they are the most consistent. They put in a lot of effort to help their brand name and it shows
@@chickenpasta7359 Yes imo TCL > Hisense as I was deciding between the 2 and pulled trigger for TCL
I worked at Best Buy and sold these TVs constantly. The LED backlight giving it basically impossible burn-in was a huge selling point
@@joecool4656 Also the Rtings of the 2.1HDMi TCL 2021 & 2022 versions are like only 2.0 pts less than the C2 which is $500 more & better than the SONY of the same class which is $300, more.
Anybody that says "side quests" in a tech review gets my vote and puts me firmly in the "I need to watch more of this" group. LOL. Love it!
What?
Awesome testing, thank you guys for taking the time and energy to run an on going test such as this one
Great work!!
Also pl share the analysis of the same among LG C4, LG G4, Sony A95 L, Sony A80 L, Samsung S95D
Just bought a Samsung S95C 77" and my first one was bent, could have been my fault hard to say. However, when turning it off sometimes a green pixel in the bottom right corner would stay on at full brightness. I had best buy swap this tv and one connect box out within the return period and so far so good for the past few days.
I'm nervous about these sets as my primary source is my PC but I have it set to a black background with a hidden start menu and can't tell when the damn thing is even turned on. My primary use is Plex & gaming. It is a great looking display though. Bright enough to burn your eyes out of their sockets and dark enough to be frustrating as to why it won't turn on.... when it already is. Also the OS/menu is trash and the input detection on PC is beyond frustrating as it doesn't always display or detect once the pc has awoken.
If the G3 comes out soon I might swap it out if I'm able largely due to things like this rtings video. Very torn.
Do you think the new EL material in the S95C will be better against burn in?
@@patrolman602 I sure hope so but there's no way to know especially this early on unfortunately. Ratings findings here don't look promising.
I'm still rocking the 50" Panasonic plasma I bought in 2007. The color and the blacks are still wonderful. Its been the most dependable electronics I've ever owned to date .
No fair my Sammy just died but I replaced it with QD Oled so I can stop crying now 😢😂
My 2011 60 inch Zenith plasma just lost video. Picture was fine before it dropped out. Going to see if I can repair. It is basically the same set as the LG 60 inch. I have always enjoyed the natural color of the plasmas and of course the good off angle view.
I would love for you guys to check out the EMF emitting from all these tvs.
Rtings is a beacon for consumers in a world of shady companies doing their best to put a wool over the eyes of would-be buyers.
Thank you!
This is super useful info! Although I wonder if running TVs for 5x the normal hours in a day that they’d normally run is the same as 1/5 of the hours over 10 years with the tv able to cool off more between viewings. Still the point is to see which ones fail.. so still useful
5:41 ... the problem im looking at here.. is that on the left it's actually a white color, while on the right its a green-blue color. But they are supposed to both be white...?
Abby is so nerdy it's awesome and relatable. Good job and hope to see more videos with Abby!
My 10 year old self would have related to her for sure! My 18+ year old self would find it cringy AF.
She's not interested, John.
You are just horny
@@shinramiddlemanager7949 Am not convinced that Abby is even a real "she," so no loss for John there (unless he's into trannies)...
Looks like the LG Cs are the winners so far, especially if you’d use one as a monitor. Awesome test, keep going!
Amen, my LG C2 42" gets here tomorrow - Costco is commonly at $899.99 with a FIVE year warranty. Can't beat it.
They are and likely will continue to be the best OLED purchases in most areas. They have many more years of experience especially with hdmi 2.1 gaming features working properly.
They burn in just like any other OLED. And they're pretty bad at HDR.
@@jjhervey4153 I got my S95B for effectively 300€ in Germanym, after selling a lot of stuff that was part of a bundle promotion. I'm very happy with that^^
@@berkertaskiran Im not sure if the absence of white subpixel is the reason QD-OLED burned in at much faster rate. LG Oled TVs recognise static images like Logo's and dim them by allot, whyle keeping the rest of the image bright.
This could be one of the reasons LG TV had no burnin.
Where can i get the stimulation video for OLEDs? :O
Glad I went with the C2 this year. I'll wait a couple of years before delving into QD OLED, but by that time, I'm sure microLED will be mainstream
Microled mainstream in two years ? If only...
mainstream for a cheap price of 3000$+
@@RCmaniac667 Well, i mean, a 65" C3 is 2800 bucks, and a 65" G3 is 3500 ... So that would fall in line with those.
@@Totone56 I got an S95b 65 for $1000 and that was a bit much, I couldn't imagine forking over $2800 for a C3 and probably wouldn't for a microled either.
Thank you for running this extensive test (and for the more detailed explanation this time how and what you are running).
That's not good news for QD-Oled which, at it's introduction, was hyped for being less prone to burn- in than WOled - too bad that this doesn't seem the case. I hope this year's second generation really is 2x more durable aka less prone to burn- in. Would be cool if you could enter a Samsuns S95C in the test as well to see if there is any improvements with this year's QD-Oleds.
I'm less concerned about the burn in, and more concerned about how long the subpixels last. I know red and green traditionally fade before blue. I wonder how that will be with QD-OLED.
This is exactly what I was wondering and want to know. I'm looking into buying the S95C or S90C 77" or the G3
@@randallsmith2521 ? That's exactly what burn- in is; when some subpixels fade away/loose their luminane before others.
This presenter is the best I have seen in your videos so far. good job!
It does not surprise me that a Hisense started on fire. They consistently get good reviews for image quality vs. cost but there is a reason they are cheaper. They have to cut corners somewhere to come in at that price point, and it is often in internal component quality. Some of the big brands certainly overcharge but there is the other side of that coin too.
Knock on wood but I’ve had my LG G1 for a year now and I’ve mostly played games on it. So far no burn-in! No wonder LG was confident to provide a 5 year panel warranty.
I'm so glad you guys have started a RUclips channel! I have used your website for yeeears to buy all of my electronics I could find on there. My keyboard, mouse, gaming headset, monitor, etc. Now I'm looking at TVs and I'm torn between LG C2 and S95B. I tend to like Samsung products, but this helped solidify the decision to stay away from their TV. Definitely subscribed with excitement and I look forward to future videos.
This is actually our second channel focussed on R&D content. Our main channel has been active for several years! 😊 as far as help with your purchase, if you want to reach out to our experts, you can do that via our insider forums! www.rtings.com/forums/insider-advice
Glad that the Alienware DWF is being added to the test, looking at buying one soon.
Are the TVs set to the same brightness? Because OD-OLEDs are generally brighter than WOLEDs. Also adding LG 27" OLED monitor would be valuable.
G2 and qd-s are almost the same bright. Even on sdr and cnn is not an hdr source
Hey! So for this test all of the TVs are running at maximum brightness.
When I bought my plasma tv years ago, there was a lot of talk about burn in and pixel burn. I haven’t had an issue, but I also followed some advice of the time. I don’t watch too long anything that has a banner or something stagnant that could burn in. Like watching cnn for an hour or two, yes, but leaving it on all day, no. I also periodically run something that is in the tv that scans the screen with black to prevent burn in, or to remove any temporary or minor burn in when you have watched something with a stagnant image. I’ve been thinking of buying an OLED, and was wondering if I can expect the burn in issue to be similar to plasma tvs.
Abby is awesome! I can't wait to see her in more videos.
Hands down, one of the most interesting and informative series on RUclips. Also, one of my favourites! 🤩
I own a Q80a, and considering Samsung's customer service being of subpar quality compared to other companies, I'd love to see how it fares and if it's at all in the spotlight (I also hope it's been included in the test).
LG customer service isn't much better. Seems to me like the entire industry needs to improve in this aspect
@Cyrus T Wolfwood Very true. Unlike in the smartphone or gaming sectors, where most hardware can easily be repaired or replaced, the TV industry is more closed-minded on this idea and would rather point you to buy the newest TV or try a third party.
"Leading us to conclude that you should NEVER watch CNN..."
This is such an awesome thing that RTINGS is doing. I was very close to returning my new LG OLED because I was buying all the hype that QD OLED was the savior of OLED burn in. I still think it’s good tech, looks like it has some growing pains though.
This is one of the big reasons I'm hesitant to adopt OLED/AMOLED, sure it looks incredible, but after having an AMOLED phone for 5 years and the sheer amount of permanent burn in is staggering.
Yeah I've had two Note 9s get awful burn ...
phones tend to be kept at high brightness and viewed in bright conditions like outside in the sun, they also have almost continuous static items on screen, although in all fairness I don't think its such a too bad if you get 3 years without burn in and then upgrade? I know many like to hold on to their phones for ages and in those cases i'd advise against a phone with an oled screen.
I own Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra no burn in 3 years what you do is turn phone on standby when not using don't use hours on end static content same OLED TVs
7th OLED screen phone, no burn in last 10 years. Not sure what do you do on your phone
Those TV’s are going to have PTSD having to display CNN for that amount of time.
I'm a little surprised that you didn't comment that choosing the white static picture elements from CNN for your test might be a "best case" for WOLED because of that white subpixel you discuss. At the beginning of the video you mentioned static red in addition to white. Do the conclusions from red burn in show any differences from white?
People were quick to claim that QD-OLED would somehow be more resilient than WOLED even though there is no basis for that claim.
I blame LTT.
@@MistyKathrine Yeah LTT often misleads its viewers and also often states incorrect data in tech quicky
There is technical basis for it and it is justified. QD Oleds are more energy efficient than color filter based woleds. If you were to test both panels under same TV design qd would last longer. What gives WOLED edge here is LGs 10 year experience with oled
There IS basis for that claim 100%. The tech is 100% IN THEORY most resilient.
Lesson learned. Don't rely on the theory especially when it comes to tech. Hopefully second generation QDOleds this year will have improved.
It's interesting that the high-end TVs (X95J, G2, S95b) are actually the ones that are failing. You'd think that they'd be less likely to fail due to better QA, better materials and components. At the same time, they are the ones pushing the envelope.
x95j and samsung s95b is not their high end :) or not the higheest end so :) ,but anyway it;s bad.. .
THIS TEST IS AWESOME - Keep up the good work.
I loved my two Panasonic plasma TVs, but had to let both of them go due to permanent image retention. I feel like I can’t trust OLED for the same reasons, especially when they cost as much as they do.
My Panny plasma- and my much older one I gave my brother 42" 720p ( Yeah that old ) - both doing fine - my 55" st60?? is only run at 55% brightness - still love the picture - OLED is much safer than Plasma - shame Panasonic's 77" is not MLA - doesn't matter - plan on getting best 77' or 83" in 2024 ( not Sony if crazy expensive )
I had a Panasonic plasma TC 42s2 and Later of a year or so got some image retention in the sides of the display, were not that terrible but noticeable to me even running every weekend the scrolling bar to fix it never went off the retention and ended with a green bar long and wide on the right side of the display, now if ask me to get anything that use organic materials like argon, xenon or even this material OLED wouldn't choice that and go by LED or MINILED.
I picked up an s95b on sale and it’s been incredible. Just jaw dropping every time. Glad to see burn in should be fine for tv and gaming usage! Thanks for the info!!
I got mine about 6 or 7 months ago as well and have been thoroughly impressed with it. I get distracted by my phone a lot and leave my TV paused on screens very often and have 0 burn in so far.
Same here, I use the S95B as a PC Monitor and have zero issues after using it for months. The picture is so much better than WOLED and QLED.
Hard to dispute the evidence they have, but in the real world I've thankfully had 0 issues. No one should be watching CNN anyways haha
How in the world did you conclude that from this video? These TVs have burn-in in only 3 months of testing. That's only roughly 1,600 hours. That's a terrible result.
@@hfa_ultima People should be able to use their TV anyway they want. Shouldn't be making excuses for OLEDs burn-in problem.
hey guys is there a 4K version of this video available? even at 1080p I cannot tell the difference on some slides. i guess that youtube compression really made it hard to distinguish.
This was way cool! Very informational as well.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have been using 48" C1 as a PC monitor for more than a year. No signs of burn-in. I do not unnecessarily leave static elements on the screen for a long period and run a compensation cycle every 4 hours of use. We need more videos of Abby :)