10 Month Update! Permanent Burn-In On OLEDs & QD-OLED Monitors
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- While burn-in is inherent to OLED technology, manufacturers can compensate for it through software designed to improve the useable life of your panel. Fortunately for you, manufacturers implement this well, meaning that permanent burn-in isn't that big of a concern for most folks-unless you're using an ultrawide OLED monitor, that is.
In this video, we take a look at permanent burn-in. We discuss what it is, what manufacturers do to delay its impacts, and what you can expect from your OLED TVs and monitors.
0:00 Intro
1:02 Burn-In Overview
2:00 "Long Compensation Cycles"
3:50 The Sony A80J, A90J, and A90K
6:37 Samsung S95B vs S95C
8:53 OLED Monitors
13:14 What We Know About OLEDs & Our Recommendations
For more updates on the longevity test, check out our website: www.rtings.com/tv/learn/longe...
Join our team: grnh.se/d8765e317us
Goals of our test:
- How long do modern TVs last?
- What are the main reasons for a modern TV to fail? (we will be doing a teardown of each failed TV to determine this)
- How do modern OLEDs like the CX, C1, C2, S95B and A95K compare in terms of burn-in?
Non-goal:
- Predict lifetime of any individual TV
List of TVs:
Amazon Fire TV 4-Series
Amazon Fire TV Omni Series
Hisense A6G
Hisense A6H
Hisense H8G
Hisense H9G
Hisense U6G
Hisense U6GR
Hisense U6H
Hisense U7G
Hisense U7H
Hisense U800GR 8k
Hisense U8G
Hisense U8H
Hisense U9DG
Insignia F50 QLED
LG A1 OLED
LG A2 OLED
LG B1 OLED
LG B2 OLED
LG BX OLED
LG C1 OLED
LG C2 OLED
LG CX OLED
LG G1 OLED
LG G2 OLED
LG NANO75 2021
LG NANO75 2022
LG NANO85 2020
LG NANO85 2021
LG NANO90 2021
LG NANO99 8k 2021
LG QNED80
LG QNED90
LG QNED99 8k
LG UP7000
LG UP8000
LG UQ8000
LG UQ9000
Samsung AU8000
Samsung Q60/Q60A QLED
Samsung Q60/Q60B QLED
Samsung Q60/Q60T QLED
Samsung Q70/Q70A QLED
Samsung Q70/Q70T QLED
Samsung Q80/Q80A QLED
Samsung Q90/Q90T QLED
Samsung Q900TS 8k QLED
Samsung QN800A 8k QLED
Samsung QN85A QLED
Samsung QN85B QLED
Samsung QN900A 8k QLED
Samsung QN90A QLED
Samsung QN90B QLED
Samsung QN95B QLED
Samsung S95B OLED
Samsung S95C
Samsung The Frame 2021
Samsung The Frame 2022 QLED
Samsung The Terrace
Samsung TU7000
Samsung TU8000
Sony A80J OLED
Sony A80K OLED
Sony A8H OLED
Sony A90J OLED
Sony A90K OLED
Sony A95K OLED
Sony X800H
Sony X80J
Sony X80K
Sony X85J
Sony X85K
Sony X900H
Sony X90J
Sony X90K
Sony X91J
Sony X950H
Sony X95J
Sony X95K
TCL 3 Series 2020
TCL 4 Series/S435 2020
TCL 4 Series/S446 2021
TCL 4 Series/S455 2022
TCL 5 Series/S535 2020 QLED
TCL 5 Series/S546 2021 QLED
TCL 6 Series/R635 2020 QLED
TCL 6 Series/R646 2021 QLED
TCL 6 Series/R648 2021 8k QLED
TCL R745 QLED
Toshiba C350 Fire TV 2021
Vizio D3 Series 2021
Vizio M Series Quantum X 2022
Vizio M6 Series Quantum 2021
Vizio M6 Series Quantum 2022
Vizio M7 Series Quantum 2021
Vizio OLED 2020
Vizio P Series Quantum 2020
Vizio P Series Quantum 2021
Vizio V Series 2022
Vizio V5 Series 2021
Monitors:
Dell Alienware AW3423DWF
Samsung Odyssey OLED G8/G85SB S34BG85
LG 27GR95QE-B 
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The monumental effort put into this is commendable. Big respect to rtings.
Thank you so much! 😄 The amount of information we're learning throughout the whole process has been well worth it!
@@RTINGScomRD😢🎉 😢😢😢
these guys are the best
Yeah, honestly amazing. Is anyone else doing what these people are doing? This is right up there in quality and thoroughness with other channels like @GamersNexus.
@@RTINGScomRD mini LEd with G-sync pulsar might actually be quite competitive against OLED ! yes OLED IS CLEANER DUE TO Response times though !AND better for MOVIES however MINI LED SHOULD NOT BE THAT BAD either >
Even if for nothing else, at least these tests are making Samsung and other brands more aware of issues with OLED technology.
RTINGS rules!
LG rulez.. they constantly improve on this and don't even need these videos
samsung, get your ##%@ together
@@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU True, they were in the Oled-game the longest, so it makes sense that they have developed the most sophisticated software/algorithms to prevent visible IR/Burn In.
Still, at this point I would only buy a QD-Oled TV - it's simply the superior tech...
Why... because it's brighter
@@floz9718 Superior in getting burn in I agree lol. Also LG has been longest in the game because Samsung and others refused to believe the OLED is the tech of future and they wasted long years smearing the tech until their sales plummeted and made QD-OLED which.. has its issues.
I've had my QD-OLED monitor (Alienware AW3423DW) for nearly 2 years and it's still perfect. I use it everyday for several hours for gaming and general computer use including 16:9 content. No image retention at all. I allow the monitor to run its maintenance cycles as intended as well. Perfect monitor for all uses.
Whereas I have had mine a little over a year and have noticeable burn in on gray webpages such as youtubes dark mode. Our content consumption was likely different, but it is nice to know I have another year before I need to use my warranty.
@@TearlessGoslingI had the same issue as they showed in the video, with the gray lines, i used the panel refresh feature, the one that takes hours, and it fixed everything.
@@oasdfe1691 But how many time did you use the Refresh feature? everyday?
I have the same monitor and it burned in pretty badly after about a year of heavy use
Several hours, nearly 2 years is nothing. I expect a screen to last 5 years with 8-10hrs of use every day.
Especially considering the price of these monitors.
What would be interesting is to check the power consumption after the oled goes through a long cycle. In a long cycle, the Resistance increases as burn in occurs, which requires the Voltage to increase by a proportional amount.
Yes! And how much brightness was lost.
@@MarceloTezzaThe original burn-in test rtings did did not show any meaningful brightness loss over the 10k hour test. It has to start happening at some point though.
@@Freedom_Half_Off You've got that backwards, they pump more power in to the worn out pixels. So it's *those* areas that will burn out quicker after compensation cycles. This is assuming they aren't just dimming the less used portions of the screen to achieve uniformity (which would greatly extend the life of those areas of the panel).
@@6stringmonk My LG E6 has about 18k hours last time I checked (which also has terrible OLED mitigation features, so take it as a worst case scenario), but definitely doesn't have an uniform panel mostly noticable in darker scenes, even after forcing a long duty cycle. The lowered brigtness also affects color volume, making me crank up the 'color' slider up to like 85 to compensate for the lack of saturation but at a loss of color accuracy. I also notice that peak highlights don't get nearly as bright as they used to. I've kept this TV for so long because it has great passive 3D which I never use (but the few times I emulated 3DS on it was glorious). but I suppose it's time allow it to retire.
@@hugevibez Wow! It sounds like your C6 had a long lifespan considering how many things besides the just the screen can go wrong. I have a friend with a C7 that is still kicking too. I hope my C1 lasts that long because buying an OLED and being a picky person can be a chore :)
I wish we still had some 3D tv options, so I understand where you are coming from.
As someone who hates IPS glow on content in pitch black areas, I've been seriously considering a WOLED or QD-OLED monitor to replace my primary. This testing is super helpful and I'm going to wait and see how these panels change considering the new generation TVs and monitors are dropping at CES. Having to worry about image retention makes these a lot less appealing as a workhorse, do-it-all monitor. Thanks for the work your team is doing. It's a huge help for those who like to get the best longevity out of their tech.
I'm hanging out for a decent 32" 4K miniled with a high local dimming zone count. Unfortunately this year it's all looking like OLED :/
Considering Dell offers a 3 year warranty on burn-in I'm going to buy their new 4k model, as I know that they are just going to replace it in 3 years for a new model, as I'll be using it for at least 8 hours a day in desktop and there is going to be burn-in in this time frame...
@@cardboardpig This is exactly what I'm looking for. Aside from an ASUS and a Viewsonic, with seemingly mixed reviews, the 16:9 mini-LED monitor market is pretty barren and the options that are available are ludicrously expensive. I know we're on the cusp of affordable monitors with a good HDR experience and OLED black levels, but it'll probably be at least another year before we're fully there I'm guessing.
Bro I had same issue until i found out about mini-led monitors, no ips glow black is way better, and most importantly no backlight bleed at all.
I bought the new alienware panel. The burn in warranty is the exact reason i pulled the trigger. With how much im gonna use it im probably gonna use that warranty in a couple years myself too. Then I'll be on to something better at that point@vincenzodellama7158
Been waiting for this!! Thank you for your continued support of the OLED community!
Thank you for watching and being patient with us!😄
So what's the best 4K Tv for me to game on that has longevity?
@@kennyishiigh3461 Samsung S95C QD-OLED
LG G3 OLED
Sony A95L QD-OLED
The samsung and the sony have better panels but they also have some drawbacks for gaming and other things so i put the lg there too, those are mos likely the top 3 of this year for gaming and any use really
@@kennyishiigh3461 As far as my interpretation of the data combined with me owning both a LG C2 and Samsung S95B, I would say the LG C2 is my recommendation.
@@kennyishiigh3461 Mini Led / Full-Array / QLED
If you get burn-in by playing 16x9 content on the 21x9 monitors, wouldn't you also get burn-in by playing 21x9 letterboxed content on 16x9 TVs? Lots of TV shows and movies are letterboxed. Maybe something worth testing in addition to your full-screen CNN loop.
I don't think so. The software usually decides how to adjust ABL based on square shaped sizes of the screen. So I believe a 21:9 image on a 16:9 will still be recognised by the ABL as effectively full screen and lower brightness.
Though naturally pixels that are on degrade faster than pixels that are off, so of course the area that's off in 21:9 will degrade less, but that's different to the issue from this video, the issue in the video was ABL causing burn in
I can test this later on my tv in hdr to see if 21:9 content is brighter or the same than 16:9
@@ms3862 what? Yes you would get burn in on a 16:9 OLED or QD OLED TV using a 21:9 aspect ratio... Its literally the exact same thing. ABL was not causing the burn in at all... The burn is literally down to the pixels in the middle being worked far more than the pixels on the outside because they are on while the black bars are off... Its just higher brightness does it quicker as you are pushing the pixels harder. So yes you can burn and will burn a 21:9 image onto a 16:9 TV... Source? Me who has done it, I also did the 16:9 one as I use the ps5 on the AW3423DW for around 1400hours to clean up my backlog before selling it.
If you play any kind of letterbox content for long periods of time of course it will make a difference because your literally not using parts of the screens and like she said all oleds degrade over time so if u only ever use letterbox content the outside areas will be clean while the middle will wear.
Ideally you want to use full screen so you have even wear.
@@lilpain1997 Samsung's claim was that the ABL accelerated the process. Which it did. It will happen without it, too, just not as quickly. My AW3423DW does have a little bit of 16:9 burn-in, even though I mostly use it in SDR mode which doesn't have an ABL.
@@hellterminator yeah but he said I dont think so to will this happen on 21:9 with a 16:9 TV. Yes it will. How long have you used the AW3423DW in 16:9 to see slight burn in? Also since its slight does the hour long panel refresh not help at all? I replaced my first one due to that and since then only game in 21:9 on it.
Thank you folks for all of your time spent reviewing products. I've used your testing knowledge when I purchased my Sony 85". I was a bit in dismay to find out that you have not done testing on the newer projectors and screens our there. Based on the panels above 85" are cost prohibitive, I feel people will start purchasing projectors over the flat panels. Please consider reviewing projectors..thanks!
Imagine a car seller, telling you the paint might fall off your car after twelve months, but you wont able to repaint it! Amazing picture, lousy downside. I've had 4 panels, two top end and two mid range and they all suffered from burn-in to various degrees, so never again.
Led/mini led is the way
Which panels did you have? I dont know why this issue is not more spoken of in reviews. It's therefor also so difficult to recommend an TV to someone nowadays.
@@guidowinter because reviewers either get the panel just for a free days and cant really test the wear. Or they were paid or had a collaboration to say something positive. That is why rtings is our ally, because they buy each panel to do real long term tests.
@@guidowinter Reviews focus on base performance, not longevity. I mean, to test a screen for 2000 hours, you literally need to have it turned on for almost three months. The sort of testing Rtings do is very difficult to do consistently and most outlets don't have the capacity, they're run by a handful of people where only one or two typically focus on displays.
This videos are crazy good, you guys rock ! Thanks a lot for informing us on what these companies don’t want to be clear !
This video right here... this is truly exceptional! As an "ultrawide enthusiast" since 2014, OLED panels have been on my radar for a few years now. I've been hesitant as a result of the research in this video, and rightfully so. Although, in a couple of generations, it seems that burn-in may be all but imperceivable. 2025 could be the year I consider making the shift!
I have been using an Alienware AW3423DW ultrawide OLED monitor for about a year now. I game on it occasionally (maybe 10% of the time), but the rest of the time I just use it for web browsing, using Microsoft Office, etc. I have my taskbar on auto-hide and my desktop icons hidden just to be on the safe side, and unless gaming, I use the monitor in SDR mode at about 50-70% brightness and 75% contrast. After the one year of using it, I haven't seen any signs of burn-in (even after running color slides).
You're absolutely fine to buy an OLED monitor now. RTING's test are not in any way normal use case for burn-in.
Gotta indeed take into consideration that these are on 24/7 for months
You act like the monitors are $8000.. they are currently $799 for black Friday. Do yourself a favor and buy one
@@ThisIsExile91 Nah he doesnt need one, if he waits he can buy a better product when needed
The level of work that must have gone into this is insane. So impressive!
These longevity videos are awesome! A peek into factors such as reliability which is valuable in decision making. Kudos and Keep it up guys!👍🏻
Except they don't really focus on death and OS bricking. My Hisense seems fine on their tests, just bricked itself. So much for that. A working TV with mediocre specs beats a dead one.
Abby, just wanted to say you're the best! Dedication of rtings on this is insane. Thank you
Thanks Abby and RTINGS R&D team! See you in two months for the first yearly update (I hope). :)
Thank you for watching, that's the goal! 😄
This is a masterpiece in QD-OLED topic regarding burn-in
I tried to explain the concept of "burn-in" in OLEDs not being actually burn-in (like in plasma tv's), but wear-out (of lumination power) for over 2 years. Thanks for making a video about it!
I got my knowledge from a very small youtube channel, where he explained the actual tech behind it, why it is technically not a burn-in, how brightness and illumination have an impact on the longevity and how manufacturers do not properly explain the difference between the two sorts of pixel refreshers, which would be very important, as it can have a severe impact on the longevity of your monitor if used incorrectly. I think the guy was german.
My guess on how long pixel refresher work, when remembering correctly, it dims the screen all along while giving extra voltage to "unfixeable areas". This is just working cause all pixels have some sort of a headroom build-in by the manufacturer from the start. This is also the reason why some OLEDs are not able to achieve certain brightness levels. Turns out if your LG-OLED is not "bright enough" in comparison to your Samsung OLED, there is probably more headroom for your LG, which is a good thing. I also remember a serious advice:
*DO NOT use the big/long pixel refresher more than you have to, cause you can lose image quality by uniforming the picture, as you lose brightness and over-charge certain areas, that you don't have to.*
Finally someone with facts behind the real science of this dreadfully flawed display tech. Avoid OLED or face the inevitable: uneven wear with permanent uniformity issues plus irreversible image retention.
Why should i go with LEDs that have issues Day1? DSE, Blooming, Ghosting and so on... so it is better to have a nearly perfect picture for the next years than avoiding OLED because of fear. I mean the LED TV can also die eralier. You have even more technical stuff behind the panel that can create issues or die over time.@@bartonlynch
@@bartonlynch No, you have absolutely no clue lol.
@@GaryRedgraveIf he is wrong, why not teach him why he is wrong? Instead of just saying 'you're wrong'. This will help others out. Dont be lazy.
@@CrazyInWeston Well, if this video and plenty of other research proving that oled's aren't that bad as people tend to believe, what do you want Gary to say that is going to change an ignorent mind ? All the ignorent can say is "this dreadfully flawed display tech".
I've got an oled for over 8 years with zero problems, yeah really proves that it's flawed tech doesn't it ? Hope this helps others.
Thanks for the detailed and easy to understand testing and explanation!
You guys are doing the job we need!
Wow! I've just found your channel. I'm blown away by how professional you are! I'm thinking of buying the Samsung S90C, so I found your channel while researching it. Thanks for all your great work.
I have an LG C1 that gets occasional use. A few hours a week. I noticed burn in already- its from the built in LG screen saver- LOL. Oh the irony! After running a pixel clean, I can no longer detect it. Now I just shut the thing off. Lesson learned. Abby is awesome! Great job selling your team's work. You are a natural on camera!
This is amazing. With new tech emerging, it needs to be tested before the average consumer sinks a lot of money.
Sony announced in October 2023 their 2024 models will not include OLED, which they see as a technological dead-end. Mini-LED has more promise now and in the 3-5 years to come. Sony R&D already announced they've developed a substantial increase in the information each mini-LED can carry. It's cheaper to produce than OLED panels, which also have a high production failure rate. Mini-LED doesn't dim or have burn-in problems.
There is a lot wrong with this statement. @@jaystone4816
Thank you for the hard work that went into this Rtings. Really useful information
And thank you for watching! 😄
Heyy, it's that time of the season again! Thank you for sticking up for consumers!
Thanks for the update, you guys are awesome. This has me pretty excited for the 2nd Gen of OLED Monitors
I have many Samsung QDOLED computer monitors.... When I asked them about burn-in, of course it isnt under warranty. They also told me burn-in isnt something that i should be worried about since they "havent had that issue on the monitors" I have. I then asked them that since there is no warranty, and that they consider this to be taken care of by them, the manufacturer, would burn-in be handled under a manufacturer defect..... Their answer: no.
That's why I ended up going with an Alienware monitor -- Dell explicitly covers burn-in under the warranty.
No problem making to the end of the video with such a wonderful host 😊
I could listen to (and watch, obv) her speak until the end of time itself.
Such a great job on these tests, thank you all for the hard work.
I love RTINGS! Consumers need this! In alllll commercial spaces. Thank you!
Fantastic video! I've been so tempted to get an OLED monitor but I think I'll wait a couple of generations first. Especially since I do a lot of editing with static images on-screen. The tech market will sort this out eventually I'm sure. :)
Love these test updates. I think at some point, models that show a good gray uniformity should be taken in for a full picture quality review and then contrast it with how the model scored when new. Just because the TV can do gray does not stop people from appearing a little green in the center of the screen as the uneven wear continues. That to me is just as bad as a static burn mark and is different from Plasma and CRT burn where it didn't affect the color, just retention.
I can not tell enought how much I appreciate this channel.
Love this channel. It’s a friendly reminder that time has passed and to check in with myself
Could you test the (max) brightness decrease because of OLED wear?
Amazing video! One question remains unanswered here however: how much brightness do you lose over time? OLED tvs are already less bright on average than high-end VA panels in for example the neo qled range of Samsung.
That's a great point. I wonder if based on their screenshots of the tests they can extract this as well but maybe they need to use a specific device to give reliable results and if they haven't done so, it's probably something they should as they can give us both data as they already running those tests fora long period of time.
My favorite Rtings host! Smart, fun and good on camera.
I look forward to your future updates to this test!
Dayum'! The results on the Alienware OLED Monitor kinda makes me happy that I've been running mine at like 30% SDR brightness since day 1. haven't had any perceivable burn-in yet after about 1.5 years of mixed desktop + gaming usage. And given that I code a lot, I'd argue that im displaying more white text on a black background then actual games 😅
Seems similar to my experiences. I run a 55" LG OLED TV as my main computer screen since 2019, and as a self employed media creator, this thing runs many hours every day. I keep it at max energy savings at all times, so up to this day, no burn in, even though some image elements remain the same for all this time, like some icons and start button. When the OLEDs don't need to work hard, they last long. Higher brightness would just be an unnecessary strain on the eyes anyway.
Do you game on it in hdr at all? Hdr is too stunning to not use it at all. Most of my gaming is in sdr
@@veilmontTV Yeah, FH5 and Hitman 3. Most games I play don't support HDR, tho if they do, it's just amazing on this monitor 👌
Currently waiting for my C3 to arrive later this week and super excited!
Congrats I got a C2 after having a Samsung Q90 for 18 months it produced edge bleed on the top of the TV so when watching anything dark a white line was straight across the top of the TV very annoying and disappointed with Samsung considering what I paid. My mom had a Samsung for 20y and only the past month has the speakers stopped working. Maybe Samsung QC is crap now? Loving my C2 though for video games(my main reason for going OLED)
@@Dookie69uk I'm also coming from a Samsung (QN90B). It's overall nice, but some things really bothered me. For one, the blooming is atrocious. Every time there are subtitles the whole bottom part of the TV lights up lol. The constant tone-mapping (even with HGIG on) and oversaturated colors don't help either. And don't get me started on the UI.... So yeah, pretty happy I'm switching to LG :D
@@Dookie69ukdo you have burn in or dead pixel ? I bought a s90c but I play a lot of video games so im worried 😅
@@boltongame5054 I don't have any dead pixels or burn in, but I have only had my C2 for 2 weeks lol so it's very early days. My Q90 looked great but I just couldn't live with that edge bleed. I remember before my Q90 I got a Sony, that only lasts 14 months and wouldn't come on. Maybe I'm just unlucky with TVs.
Great video as always, clean edits too!
Amazing and thanks a million for doing so much to help consumers!
Anecdotally I can say that the Dell Alienware AW3423DW holds up pretty well after one year of intense use. It’s a slightly different model then you got on test but the panel is the same. I use it for gaming almost every day but I also work from home. For the last year it’s been in use for 6 to 12 hours on most days. I mainly use the display for coding/working on spreadsheets and I usually have a technical drawing on one half of the screen. So for all intents and purposes there is a big white square on half of the screen. But even when I put on a monochrome background on screen in white grey or any colour I can’t see any signs of burn in. I mainly got this display for Dells 3 year burn in warranty but if the monitor holds up like it does now I probably won’t even need it.
Same. Have been using it for a year now every day for like 10 hours, gaming, work, browsing. Can't see any burn in
@@kombatresRTings test literally confirm that first Gen QD-OLEDs burn in quickly
@@teddyholiday8038 Yes but she also said no sane person would use the oleds like they do. Had my DWF for 9 months (~10h usage a day) now and no signs of burn-in yet. Will just wait and see what happens. Glad we have a 3yr warranty :D
same here
They drove the monitor for 700 hours straight right? In real usage, the monitor has built in mitigations that run when it goes to standby mode. I wonder if that's what's making the difference here.
For most people permanent burn-in isn't as much of a problem as temporary image retention. My LG B9 is now 5 years old, and when watching netflix, even though I don't leave it on the UI screen for more than a minute, you can see after images of the profile icons / borders of movie artwork for the first 30 seconds or so when starting content depending on the color of the content. These after images aren't SUPER noticeable, but it's worth noting that just like Plasma before it, OLED has significant drawbacks to durabilty compared to LED.
Its the same
Yep. And for some of us, it is enough to skip on OLED.
I do not care about perfection of the picture, especially since miniLED gets better and better in comparison to OLED.
Hey, really thx for this tests, the best channel and maybe only channel do it in scale!
I just want one thing, im not.sure if i missed on the video or not but do you guys know how much brightness was lost in each model?
Im very curious about the different approach each brand is going on with the brightness uniformity in relation to the brightness decrease.
incredible content and such an valuable insight for someone looking to buy an oled monitor.
Love these updates.
Was enough for me to invest into the S90c 77" knowing it's using s95c second gen panel.
With the update on compensation cyles, this confirmed that this tv was the right purchase for me.
nice, ive got a 55 s90c, which i confirmed has 2nd gen panel, and so far, using it with my PC, no problems with burn in
@@brunoutechkaheeros1182 How and where can you check which panel it has? Im looking into buying a s90c too but don't know how to confirm the panel. Appreciate the Help!
@brunoutechkaheeros1182 hey, how can I know wich gen panel is in my samsung tv?
Hi,
I'm thinking about picking up a 77 S90C myself, how has it been after some months of use?
Also is it reliable at running the short compensation cycles?
Cheers
@@caseyglassfield83 I'm having no issues. Been a new update recently fixing many complaints people were having.
The worst thing about going with OLED is that there is no coming back, after you get used to it no other kind of pannel does the cut.
FACTS
This
True. I have used my LG C1 for 3 years now and I think 3500 hours as a pc monitor with every single burn in prevention setting disabled because they are really annoying for pc use and no issues. No burn in and peak brightness is as good as what it was day one. I basically forget it’s an OLED and use it the same way as any monitor.
thank you very much for all those data and researches, it is amazing
this LG 27" monitor seem pretty good in term of longetivity, let's see in the future what it'll be, but that is already sounding good, and if they even improve all of this for their next panels / products, it is really amazing
Happy for the new update. Alwats looking forward to these videos.
Thanks for the update folks! Did Samsung mention whether the new realtime compensation runs on the S90C as well?
Seems like it. It has improved somewhat. But everything is better than sony oled tv's regarding lifespan.
So you have the s90c ? I have one and for now I don’t have burn in and you ?
This is so helpful, Thank you for your work
You're very welcome, thank you for watching! 😄
@@RTINGScomRD Maybe 'expected durability' or 'avg lifespan' of a panel would be a category when reviewing tv's :)
I own an LG C8 (2018) and it also overcompensated for the burn-in. It's very faint, it's where the browser's navigation buttons were, because the bar wasn't auto-hiding back then. They're slightly lighter disks.
RTINGS, you’re legend!
I have a 2018 LG E8 currently at 14,000 hrs still going strong with no burn in or image retention and still has a nice clean 5% greyscale test result.
I game on it and watch loads of sports with all the logos everywhere and still no issues.
liar
@@barrysuss4421 I know sorry it's actually over 17k hours now with no issues at all.
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I guess you are not blasting it at 100% brightness
@@dtibor5903 True I wasn't and it was actually 17000 hours I made a mistake.
Thank you all for your research! It's clear you're already having a positive impact on the OLED industry, and the information is super helpful
Thanks a lot for your efforts on this very "undeep dived" burn in matter by many reviews except yours, you make me confident to buy an OLED tv very soon
I used the s95b as my main computer desktop for 2 years. Max brightness. Pixel shift and auto dim on low. I finally have a light blue burn in on an all white background. It is hard to see. Time to retire it to only movies now. Got a mini led monitor now that the other tech has caught up. Half the price, brighter, great darks. No more annoying pixel shift. Thanks for all your testing. Because of your videos, I ran pixel refresh and enabled burn in reduction modes.
I also use my 43 inch TV as a 1440p monitor without scaling, so there’s a 28 inch display in the middle when working from home.
Think this confirms OLED is not the best option considering the change in brightness of the monitors after 700 hours with borders. Thanks for the testing.
I had a s95b. Had issues in the first month of having it. The panel failed. Returned it and got the G2 65 as a clearance. My friend sold it to me half price. What an amazing tv. I love it. Way better than LCD to watch.
Wow, this video was incredibly informative. I was impressed and surprised!
This is a great test, have been looking at the LG c2 and burn in obviously a concern, seeing the results after 10 months and only a slight burn in from the banner at the bottom which has been displayed continuously for 10 months puts me at ease, the rest of the screen where there has been varying content looked nice and even
Currently typing this on a 42" LG C2 and we have a CX upstairs. Had the CX for almost 3 years and the 42" C2 for a year, no issues at all.
I use my G8 for 12-16 hours a day from gaming, to coding, to watching twitch streams and a have 0 burn in issues. I have been using the monitor since it was released. Simple things like turning the monitor off for 15-20 minutes when u step away, using auto hide taskbar, and making sure to run screen optimization if the pop up ever shows up will help make sure you dont experience this burn in issue from neglected use.
and dont forget, use dark mode everywhere
Do you think having an animated wallpaper when not using the monitor would help prevent burn in?
Could you give an more detailed update on the LG 27GR95QE-B? Since it uses LG's latest MLA panel pretty sure the MLA WOLEDs will directly compete against 2nd gen QD OLEDs next year and you now have long term data on both 2nd gen QD OLED and MLA WOLED, I've had mine GR2795QE for over 3 months and it's been great!
What do you use that monitor for? Is it just gaming and videos or do you do other stuff?
Folks, you just saved a lot of money. Was gonna buy G8 OLED for productivity primarily because I was into it's style and OLED depth but will drop that plan now.
This is high quality content. Well done 👏
Big thumbs up for your job guys. I have only one suggestion. Oled monitors should be tested viewing not CNN but gaming/desktop instead that is what they are built for.
Yes that is true, i was also thinking about, but if you want to compare the huge amount of testresults from the TV with a little amount of Monitors maybe it's nice to be able to compare panel durabilitay against TVs etc.
CNN hast nearly static pictures so maybe it's comparable for real monitoe work.
On the other hand in real you have on your monitor a lot of white background (also if you use darkmode). For W-OLEDs maybe it's a other situation if the White LED is wearing a lot.
Tests on the task bar in windows would be very useful for monitors.
Hi, great video. I was just wondering if S90c has the same results as S95c?
Amazing love your videos! Keep it up. What's up with lg oleds you didn't have a specific segment for them? I did check later on website and it seems like they are degrading slower.
I checked all of their burn-in update videos and they never show the LG OLEDs. Very strange.
LG C1 48” user as a pc monitor since January 2022. Almost 2 years of mixing pc usage. Gaming, web browsing, watching movies (mostly in HDR) from 2 to 10 hours per day. No any signs of burn-in. Tanks for video. 😀
I'm very happy that OLEDs are improving and gaining popularity because it's a signal to IPS manufacturers to lessen their display pricing. Right now I'm eyeing on 32" 10-bit 4k IPS Monitors for my WFH setup.
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Anyone else binge these videos AFTER buying a tv and wondering " did i screw up?" 😅😂😂
one thing that could be really interesting to see in oled monitors considering much closer proximity would be using mmwave as a presence detector, turn off the display when you walk away and back on again automatically when you return
Or you could press a single button instead of being mind-numbingly lazy.
Very informative video. Thank you
This is great! Thanks for the work!
2021 is now an older model, guess my 2016 OLED should be in a museum!
How much have you used the 2016 model and how is it holding up?
@@veilmontTV I don't know how many hours exactly, but I've used it a lot and haven't noticed any degradation
As an owner of a S95b, I laughed at the "Samsung Firmware Update Counter". 😂
Do you have burn in issues ? I play a lot of video game on my s90c and i think I maybe do the wrong choice
@@boltongame5054you should be fine with gaming. It changes the colors of the screen constantly. It's the still images than increase the risk of burn in.
Your thorough tests, analysis, and presentation of the results are without peer! I was interested in an OLED monitor for creative work but this opened my eyes. I'll stick with IPS for now.
Thank you so much for your valuable and unique content!
Can you please test the effects of movie subtitles on OLED TVs? In terms of their position of screen, font color and size, and background transperancy?
I'm still using my old 1080p Sony led. I keep my tvs for many years. Thats why I still don't like the feel of Oleds. I'd go with the Sony X90L if I would buy something right now. 🙂
As you should. It's a great dependable tv that doesn't suffer from any of these BS OLED nonsense and its cheaper.
And it still has deep blacks .vivid realistic colors and you can actually watch it.
40,000+ hours on IPS/VA/LED and no picture issues.
I've been using my Alienware dwf non stop with over 8 hours a day with work and gaming since jan of this year and no burn in at all that I can tell. If there is some I cant see it or notice it even when running the oled burn in test. People stress way to much over burn in. Just use the damn thing. Alienware has warranty for that if you just can't sleep at night worrying about it. I personally can never ever go back to a ips or tn or va panel.. My hdr is on 24/7 for work and for gaming and auto hdr picks up the rest for games that don't have hdr. Even took off the matt reflected coating berceuse I wanted the colors to pop more and boy do they. Now we just need a 38" oled 3840 x 1600. I would buy one in a heart beat to replace my dwf. Cool video though. Love to see the results from all the testing.
This was very insightful I look forward to the day oled and UW play move together I will hold out and keep waiting.
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Good footage.
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Excellent host.
Excellent presentation.
9.5/10.
I wonder if the Sony A95L has addressed any of this compensation cycle stuff or if it’s just the same.
Hopefully, so far they have been the worst at burn in. A future update will definitely show us if they have improved in their method to protect the panel.
@@i.network4290 Well I bought one. Should be here in 2 days. I’ll keep you updated. I would say we are on the heavy end of TV usage but of course not the same thing all the time.
You guys are doing the lords work. Anytime I’m thinking about buying any kind of monitor or tv I always go to your website for advice, and after watching these videos I’ve decided which OLED TV I’m getting, it should be no surprise that it’s an LG, it seems they have the best implementation of burn in prevention as well as short cycle reliability
Had the S95B frim release, ive never manually initiated a pixel refresher snd i can say it doesnt have an ounce of screenburn. I check probably every two months snd all good so far!
as a Samsung S95C owner, I'm still wowed by the picture quality and love the screen saving features it has, not noticed any burn in yet and don't expect to either the way I have things running, top notch tv
I’ve modded my S95B for more brightness, play games with static elements, have 2000 hours on it and not a mark so far.
It is very stupid to give any "real credit" to this tests, because not a single person is gonna see the same tv channel for a whole year without changing it neither turning off tv.
From my point of view, this is more like a misinformation spreading...
Right now, it is simple:
OLED > MiniLED > LED
A normal person will use tv mainly during late afternoon/night, so the lowest brightness for an OLED model should not be a problem (2023 OLEDS have quite good brightness anyway...).
this test is giving us very very good data across all the models, all the new iterations of panels / software updates etc...
it is meant to be very stressful. and furthermore, it is really useful for people that use a lot their TV as PC monitors for example (and knowing they will use it as a TV monitor too, yes there are a lot of people that stress their monitors)
so no this is not "misinformation", this is really stressful tests for all those TVs that give us very good data, and that can be in some way used to know how it these products will behave with some real life usage that could be close to those stresstest@@Barrycounter1
@@Barrycounter1coping hard 😂😂😂
This is why Apple didn’t use OLED on their laptops and monitors 😂😂😂
@@RunForPeace-hk1cuthey are actually having OLED in 2025 for MacBooks and iPads are getting them in 2024
Hey i was waiting for this video
Thank you
I have the s95c hoping that i will be safe from burn in
Do you know if you have dead pixel ? I have the s90c and they are 2 dead pixel 😐
@boltongame5054 Until now I haven't noticed anything
If you watch a lot of static content there is higher risk of burn in. The s95c performed decently well in the test, at least far superior to the samsung s95b and Sony a95k.
@JuanTorres-dj1wn Nah gaming and movies, but some games have static elements like maps, etc
I hope I will be OK, tnx for your reply
@@DarkLionn83 yeah, but the colors of the maps are not radically different and vibrant like some tv shows where there is a giant bar with glowy lights rolling credits or more news. Maybe watching twitch and having comments on can also cause burn in. But regular gaming, is the least risky.
Hey great work . I have a question about the monitors. How many hours are these slides based on. On the site you are still at month 6 at 3600 hours. Is this correct?
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Thanks for your testing and sharing with the community! I am happy that I made the suggested decision - I bought 42" LG C2 OLED for immersive gaming and excellent movie experience and use 34" VA ultrawide for my daily driver/productivity. Both are mounted on the same desk with monitor arms so it is very easy to swap them at will and seems to be the best of both worlds for now.
Yeah that's best option and also what I do since still downsides to using OLED other than burn-in which are covered in other videos.
My C9 has 16k hours and still looks great with a lot of varying use with mostly movie and TV watching, gaming, and some pc use.
So much better than my b7 that had burn in from watching widescreen movies and a bug that put in vertical lines so there was basically a square burned into the middle of the screen.
Just preordered the 77" G4 and can't wait to see what 2000 nit oleds look like.
This 70" is my 2nd Sony OLED TV which I have had for several years. I use it for everything from my computer to movies. My first OLED TV was ruined by watching the news with their fixed static panels and logos. I have been more careful with this TV by using minimum brightness and using a button on the remote to turn the screen off when not in use. It looks like it has held up very well in your tests. One area that showed well in your tests but not in mine was the Taskbar area for the computer at the very bottom of the screen. I have turned the taskbar off now except when in active use.
excited for the 3rd gen oled monitor tests even tho I feel like it'd be smarter to get the woled ones and wait for them!
I think it goes a LONG way towards trust in specifically Alienware monitors that Dell includes burn-in protection with the standard warranty. I even upped mine to 5-years of warranty, so I really have nothing to fear in terms of burn-in.
depending on where you live, the place of purchase may also offer burn-in protection. Best Buy in USA for example offer 4-5 year protection and it includes burn-in
TV networks should change to a dark theme to avoid this problem. White text on black background.
Or people can just buy LCD screens.
More than anything tv networks need to move their logo's around so they are not static in the same spot all the time.
@@Stecbine Or have more frequent ad breaks... :P
I've been using a G9 OLED monitor for a few months now. I run a pure black wallpaper and hide my taskbar. On one hand, this is a bit annoying, but on the other hand, I'm really hoping it will help to keep burn-in to the absolute minimum, as I plan to run this monitor for years.
Did they use the pixel refresh on the monitor tests? Just wondering if that would affect the results.