Fantastic broadcast guys. Excellent! This topic of size vs maybe better image is where I am at. I remember Caleb saying he had a hard time NOT watching the 98 TCL vs the higher end X95l.
I agree. TVs that size suck you in. I was watching a demo loop at the TCL event in NYC for like 20 minutes (it was only a 5 minute loop). The 115-inch model had football on it. Not normally a football fan, but when the players are literally larger than life, it's pretty compelling.
The biggest choice needs to be the size of the screen first. There is huge difference in price between 55, 65, 75 and 77” tvs. So pick your screen size and then buy the best you can afford from there. The best picture quality available is generally from OLED tvs. The picture processing and software that runs it makes the biggest difference.
No there isn’t. Most TVs, the 55 and 65” and only a hundred dollars apart. Mainly because they all need the same stuff logic board power supply processor HDMI port., etc.
@@michael-4k4000 Sure, most cheaply made, bottom rung, entry level TVs, of the 55 and 65" size DO ONLY have about a $100 difference in retail price between them. But you've commented here on a site where most folks in the discussion want TVs that are capable of very good or even excellent picture quality performance. And the TV test specialists who test over 200 TV models of various screen sizes, from many manufacturers, for Consumer Reports, EVERY year, confirm that the kind of cheap TV junk that you referred to, where a 65" model offered to a consumer is only $100 higher in retail price than its 55" brand mate is, will always fall into the group of cheaply made TVs that are incapable of very good PQ, & are far, far away from excellent PQ! And BTW, as I last saw CR's online ratings, Sony's 65" A90L rated highly, with a price $700 above the 55" version.
@@michael-4k4000 For the models I have been shopping for, it's a $1000 (%50) jump from 65 to 77 inches. I think the msrps may be closer than that, but it's what I actually have to pay that matters.
My issue with tvs approaching 100” and over is where do you put the center speaker because now you’re forced to either put it very low to the ground or above the screen to which neither choice is good so you compromise your audio experience. Whereas a projector can use a perforated screen that can have the L,C,R speakers directly behind it and at the correct ear level. I can also customize size my screen to maximize the space available in that room. If I decide to remodel or move guess what I can sell my screen and buy a new one that now fits the best in that space while utilizing the same projector in most cases. I can also choose a cinescope screen and watch movies as they were filmed for the theater or I can simply use masking on a standard screen to remove the black bars, on a tv the black bars are always going to be there regardless the size. So saying that these large 100” and larger tvs are going to make projectors obsolete is ridiculous. They are just different products that will appeal to different people. For me personally I see an advantage to both types for example a nice big QD-Oled in our bright family room and a super immersive dedicated home theater with a 150” picture with the latest immersive sound experience like Dolby Atmos. So again different options based on what each individual prefers which is a great thing.
Maybe consider using an above screen center channel speaker and also an identical below screen center channel speaker to achieve 'center screen' perceived dialogue center point.
Why is it so hard to find actual reviews/settings of the 83" s90c? It is effectively a different model than the other sizes but all you find online are comments about how it's not as good. What about an actual review? There are no opportunities to see it in action near me and returning a tv that big is a nightmare! Great podcast btw thx!
The S90C is WOLED as you are aware, but you are correct, no real substantial reviews on it. My opinion, get a 77inch S90C which is guaranteed QD OLED 2nd Gen. Great TV
@@trewright1482 sure but I want 83". Let's put it this way: there's a 16% difference in screen size between 77 and 83. Is the picture quality 16% worse? Or more like 5-10% worse? It would cost me a little over 2x the cost of the 83 s90c to get an 83 g4 (the only 83 inch panel with mla and there are no 83 qdoleds). Hard to imagine the upgrade from s90c to g4 is 2x as good. Thanks for your help anyway!
@@ewitty776 yeah there’s not really any good options for 83inch OLED TVs right now. It might be worth you buying the 83inch S90C and review it yourself during the return period. If you like it then great, if not return it. Sounds like some trouble but throwing down close to $3k it would be worth it. Only other option I like in 83inch is the A80L with the heat sink but that’s as much as the G4 and the A80L is last years model.
I bit the bullet and purchased a TCL 85C 805K here in the UK. Its a 144hz 85 inch qled mini led panel with extremely good black levels thanks to its VA screen. Its blown me away how much quality you can get for the price (£1500). I used to use premium 55inch lg CX oled and it is surprising how close this can get IQ wise. In the negatives i will say the out of the box colours and settings were awful and its taken me a fair amount of time to dial in the settings for colpur accuracy. For anyone wavering on whether to go big or stay smaller but get higher quality I would say take the jump and go as big as you can afford.
a Big 10-4! TCLs out of box is woeful. takes hours of tinkering to dial in to its potential. and No you can't just copy and paste other's settings. One TV will have a Red push, a different set a Blue push that influences Green. Use other's settings with complaints similar to yours as a starting point. if the Red is over blown at peak brightness while dull in low, you may want to then go as deep as 20 pt intervals. And even then have different settings for different modes, Sports will be different than movies, daytime viewing vs Night
37:00 one thing to keep in mind with the entire "TV vs Projector" debate is that at some point that 100" TV is either going to break or become outdated(or you may even move). In otherwords before you hit buy just know whats going to be involved in getting rid of that TV that big. For many it will become a major PIA thing to get rid of when the time comes. One thing I really like is the idea of using TV mount extender with high quality smaller sets so you can extend the TV out when watching critical content to get the viewing angle much higher for immersion.
That's a good point. The one big advantage of a projection-based system is that the "TV" can completely disappear when not in use. And as you say, they're a lot easier to take with you when you move. But for $2K for a 98-inch TV, it's probably worth the eventual hassle of moving it, disposing of it or giving it away if/when that becomes necessary.
Of course it’s gonna break or die or become out dated. But a 98” for $2k is not worth all the issues that come along with projectors. I’ve owned 3 projectors, 2 Sony long throw and a Samsung UST. They are great in some ways, but a tv beats any project in every way except size. One thing no one mentions is how low you need to have the UST projector to the ground for a 120” screen. I had mine at 8” high. One thing I’ve noticed as I’ve gotten older, is a brighter better display is more important then a very large display that’s not as bright.
First time reviewer, I like the straightforward review given here. I think I’m going to buy this TV . I do want front facing speakers you guess I will have to buy a soundbar?
All 65 inch S90C ‘s are QD-oled, whether or not you get the 1st gen panel, or second gen panel is the question, I have the 2nd Gen qdoled version. But they ALL are QD OLED
question, if buying a tv for primary watching fast paced sports, Hockey Basketball and Football, in a dark room ... is Oled the way to go or i could save money and get qled, uled etc and be just as happy with quality?
So is the Sony "Master Series" badge dead now? Everyone is saying the Bravia 9 is a Master Series, but its not confirmed by Sony. I had an oportunity to get a bigger TV recently. I was upgrading from a Sony 75" Z8H and trying to go 85". I waited until Sony announced their 2024 lineup, but I was suprised there were no new Master Series except for the carry over A95L 2023 OLED and again the Z9K 2022 Mini-LED 8K. I thought about getting the Bravia 9 but ultimately I think the Z9K has more features I wanted like 3 HDMI 2.1, 85 watt Audio and most likely brighter so I ended up getting an 85" Z9K.
Sony really simplified the branding this year. None of the materials we received from them on the 2024 models used the "Master Series" branding any more.
@@ecousticsThe Z9K is awesome, specially at 85 inches where I can sit close to the TV and take advantage of the 8K screen and not see pixels. And it is bright and maybe even brighter than the Bravia 9. Even if theres not a lot of 8K content, upscaling 4K to 8K really impresses me. The TV also has 3 HDMI 2.1 ports and have an 85 watt audio system which the Bravia 9 doesnt have.
Depends on what type of "dirty." 😁 But in our experience, the Sony BRAVIA 9 and A95L do the best job with compressed or low resolution content because the Sony's video processor is excellent. When we tested standard def DVDs, our BRAVIA 7 looked a little better than the TCL QM8, but only a little.
@@ecousticsinteresting. I still don’t quite understand what that term means, but I’ve been noticing that my RUclips TV is very blurry at times on my Q9FN. I had a Samsung tech tell me that it’s the way the signal is broadcast. I don’t get it on any other app on my television. So does this mean Sony can better handle this?
@@Em_Dee_Aitch - RUclips TV's "broadcasts" (really, they're "streams" because it's online, coming from the cloud not a radio/TV broadcast). Anyway, RUclips TV isn't always the highest quality option for the channels that it provides. Case in point, in upstate NY, the NBC signal comes from the Albany NBC affiliate which is capped at 1080i resolution with 2-channel sound (at least it was this way for the Olympics). Meanwhile the actual free NBC broadcast over the air in NYC was in 1080p resolution with HDR (high dynamic range) and Dolby Atmos 5.1.4-channel sound with minimal compression. So the free local broadcast looked and sounded better than the paid option over RUclips TV. The only benefit to a service like RUclips TV is that you can get local network broadcasts in an area that is too far from TV broadcast towers to be able to receive those channels for free. Plus RUclips TV allows you to subscribe to "cable" channels like AMC and ESPN which are not available for free over the air. But you can always get those "ala carte" by subscribing directly to the channel's streaming app. But when we were talking about Sony TVs doing a good job with RUclips content, we weren't specifically talking about RUclips TV, we were talking about standard RUclips videos. The quality on these videos varies a lot depending on the actual creator. Some videos are standard def, some are 720p HD. Some are even created in UHD 4K quality. The lower quality videos from RUclips really don't look great on *any* TV, but they do look a little better on a Sony TV, because most Sony TVs have excellent upconversion so they can fill in a lot of that missing detail. I can't saw for sure whether your RUclips TV signal would look better on a Sony TV than on your Samsung, but it's certainly possible, depending on the video processing in each specific model TV.
For me, it's the picture quality. I am looking at both mini and oled and leaning towards oled. I am in a space that 55 to 65 is better suited so bigger is not better for me.
The Value Electronics TV Shootout is coming in a few weeks. They'll have the top miniLED and top OLED TVs on hand for evaluation side by side. We'll be covering the event and will publish te results on August 3rd or 4th after the results are in.
I think I'm going to wait until Prime Day and hopefully get a good deal on a 65" Sony A95L. I currently have a 50" LG QNED side-lit TV. Wanting a significant upgrade. I'm not into games, but I like watching a variety of cable programs and my physical Blu-rays and 4k discs.
The A95L is still the best TV I've seen, for most content. I have the BRAVIA 7 in for review now (Mini LED) and it is really bright and does a great job preventing any blooming or haloing. But those silky OLED blacks are hard to beat.
If you can wait until July you might grab a better deal on an A95L, but if you spot it discounted sooner it might be wise to get it before Prime Day. amzn.to/451Jgyn
Regarding Samsungs S90D series, if you purchase a 55, 65, and 77", then are guaranteed a a QD-OLED panel? Is that accurate. I understand that QD-OLED doesn't exist, at this time, in 83". Not sure about all the different size monitors they make now. ,
In Australia, the s90D 77 is Woled. It looked really good, but I still went with the 65... what's everyone's obsession with these big TV's. I find them hard to watch when you're having to move your eyes the whole time. I find it not very relaxing.
@scottbrady4472 that's fine, watch whatever screen size makes u happy. This has nothing to do with likeing or not liking a screen size. It has to do with the panel they are using, and they don't make a QD-OLED 83" panel yet, nor do the they make a 48" or 42".
I have a Sony vpl 5000es and a hidden screen with a 5 4 1 speaker system. It's hands down better than any TV. The sound system alone is crazy I got it all for less than 15k
Sony projectors are excellent, to be sure, but they can't compete with Mini LED (or even OLED) in a bright room. But for controlled lighting/home theater, the Sony and JVC projectors are awesome.
Bright living room with a lot of natural light coming in. Tv will be used for sports during the day and streaming movies. Should i go for the 85 inch Samsung qn90C or 75 inch Samsung qn800c. Or would it be worth it to go to 85 inch in the qn800c?
I love this podcast and am thrilled to see Caleb Denison as your guest! And I agreed with his wise comments for the most part. However, I totally disagree with Caleb’s statement that Samsung made the smarter call from a business standpoint when they opted to mix WOLED and QD-OLED into the same product line. Yes! They should be able to offer both OLED technologies, but they need to be putting them into separate product lines and model numbers to clearly delineate which technology is which. The customers, especially the less knowledgeable ones, deserve that.
Well, we can see both sides of the coin here, but yes, sell whatever you want (Samsung), just give them different model numbers if they use completely different panel technologies.
The lighting engines for MiniLED/LCD and OLED TVs are both rated to last upwards of 40,000 hours. That's well over 10 years even with heavy use. But other components in a TV can fail like power supplies and circuit boards. I'd say it's fair to expect at least 5-7 years out of a TV, from any brand. Some, like LG, offer 5 year warranties on their OLED panels which is nice from a peace of mind perspective.
Google TV will not last 10 years. I have the 2018 Sony XBR49X900F(this one had poor Dolby Vision and had to turn that off) and the Android TV was only good for 2 year then I had to get a Nvidia Shield Pro. Upstairs we have the 2016 Sony XBR55X850D that the Android TV was useless after a few updates, we only keep the TV because it has really good viewing angles.
please bro tell me %100 oled G4 or C4 Burn in after along year?? when iam using for ps5 and Fillm or RUclips ( my country doesn't support 5 years warranty for G4 (LG Malaysia🇲🇾) Idon't know what to do? ) my english not good for see your video to understand😘 and bro some people told me after 10000 hour burn in🤦♂️😙 usually how many years panel alive without burn in in this new model oled? 😊
As long as you dont watch same static image for hours every day for months you wont experience burn in. Check out rting video about this. Both OLED and LCD suffer from panel damage after long use. Dont let burn in stop you from getting an OLED, it is the best tech available. LG G4 is the best TV you get now.
@@pashazana8911 Both MiniLED and OLED might have screen issues after 7 years when you crank up brightness. According to RTing both MiniLED and OLED showed screen issue after long period of static image.
I'm not happy with this Vizio smart tv they say it's easy to set up etc well it's not I have been 4 days now trying to get it so can watch the tv and yet I'm unable to get it to work it 😢😢😢😢😢
Colour banding and panel uniformity are a big problem with lg for now otherwise I’d buy one tomorrow that’s why I bought a s90d not quite as good but panel is clean
@ecoustics most of the manufacturers under engineer their TV's citing the cost, however, what they typically do is market segment and charge accordingly. Also, how much extra would it cost to use a more powerful processor,....if it wasn't significant, then I suspect most people would pony up for better engineering.
Bonjour et merci pour votre commentaire! Le LG G4 et le Sony BRAVIA 9 sont d’excellents téléviseurs. Si vous aimez éteindre les lumières, j’opterais probablement toujours pour l’OLED. Mais vous devriez essayer de voir les deux par vous-même.
@@ChrisBoylan bonjour oui se qui différencier l'oled avec le mini led c'était le contraste maintenant sony à réaliser des prouesses avec le bravia 9 et sans abl il faudrait les mettre côte à côte pour un duel d'exception 🙏
If you need so good processing for mini LED , how do OLEDs do it with simple processors . No you don't need a powerful CPU to control a damn background lighting , you dont .
@@dedskin1 OLED technology doesn’t have backlighting, because each pixel is controlled individually. OLED delivers perfect blacks, but the trade-off is OLED can’t get as bright as Mini LED. Mini LED TVs use sophisticated processing to approximate pixel level accuracy when scenes demand it.
@@ecoustics And what controls pixels in OLED , lets simplify it LED , and what controls LED in background lightening , exactly the same thing Power supply , PWM power supply at that . Same thing runs them both , what a shocker its a LED diode , in front or behind the filter screen its a LED diode . Kids can make OLEDs and they do , watch for signs and banners around your city , its LED with screen with no back light . So its possible to make LED with no backlight , oh tough tits , yes it is . And you saw it . Must have some insane CPU controlling it , some insane computing power there , maybe we can reuse it and mine for Bitcoin .
TCL QM851. I was so dissapointed with the Bravia 7 it has higher peak brightness but worse viewing angle and anti reflection than the X93L what a, dissapointment the X95L is still better than the Bravia 7, no wonder why it cost more than the newer Model...
12K is unlikely to ever be a thing. 16K is out there already but mostly in modular sets like microLED where you're attaching multiple panels together to get that higher pixel count. Detail/sharpness is rated the least important factor for picture quality by ISF. Contrast, color accuracy and color volume are all rated higher. We don't need more pixels.
We've seen glasses free 3D TVs for almost a decade. They still don't look very good. And they still need 3D content which is getting harder and harder to find.
I would say check out the BRAVIA 9 in person on a wide selection of content before deciding it's not flagship material. It was very impressive in person.
We're not aware of any persistent issues with LG TV power supplies other than the ones that were covered by a recall and repair a few years ago in some markets (including Australia and UK). Every product can have problems but LG does offer a 5-year panel warranty on its high-end OLEDs (G series and Z series) which is great.
Good conversation with Caleb you have insight into the industry which your readership craves . But at 20:10 , as innocent as it may seem ... racial profiling for the purpose of analogy ? C'mon guys . I am middleground politically and usually don't cite this . But you may be making the Asian viewerbase you have , perhaps others , uncomfortable in this dialogue even though we can disseminate it's purpose . Please be more aware of the context of your words as you engage in otherwise intelligent discussion .
I know that this is a tech conversation, but I've found content that looks great but the movies sucked. So great looking movies do not translate into good movies.
TCL and Hisense were an absolute joke brand not too long ago. They are Chinese companies. Hard no. Samsung made its name on pizazz. Brighter isn’t better. LG is the OLED king - but I’m personally not interested in an OLED. Sony is the gold standard. Period.
ive got an LG g4 3 days ago but after trying to make it look half decent its discusting.. colors are bad shows dont seem vibrant or punchy im gonna return it and stick to Samsung... this is the last time i buy LG my 8 year old samsung non Qled looks better colorwise then this mess a pretend to be top of the line tv. im done with LG this left a very bad taste in my mouth. im sorry samsung for doubting u newer sets im coming back to you running.
Bought a premium LG OLED in 2017. Burn in started at year 6...became unwatchable in year 7. A $3000 Plus tv failed with a lousy pictures while LED TVs keep chugging along. Won't buy another OLED TV and won't buy LG either. Sorry guys but people will drop oled and LG with experience. My view
Reviewers sponsored by any tv brands , shall not talk about which tv to buy . Most people still watch older movies and dvds . The best tv has to be Sony . Why emphasise on bright tv as if that is the most important criteria . Dont get this . If you shoot a Camera , the picture is bright , they call it Over exposed . But tv reveiwing , they talk about bright bright and bright . 20 years ago or 30 yrs ago , the best tv is about the detail and best picture color . But if reviewers sponsored by a bright tv , they talk about brightness as the best tv , eventhough in realiti , that tv is lousy and unreliable .
None of the participants on this video nor eCoustics itself is sponsored or paid by any TV brands. Opinions are those of the speakers alone, informed by hands-on experience and evaluation of the brands and models mentioned. As to the "brightness" comment, the sun is several million nits. Pitch black is 0 nits. When a display can represent the full range of visible light from 0 to millions of nits, it will be perfect. Until then, everything is a compromise. Difficult scenes like sunrises and sunsets can be captured more effectively by a TV with higher peak brightness capabilities. But sometimes the ability to capture high brightness comes at a cost with other limitations in performance. We're also currently limited by the dynamic range capture capabilities of film and digital cameras and by the mastering practices of the content that we watch on these displays. But it's the display brightness that is the limiting factor in most cases. Most 4K content is mastered at 1000 nits peak brightness, some is mastered for 4000 nits peak brightness, and a small selection of content is mastered at up to 10,000 nits peak. The higher the peak brightness on the display, the closer it can come to reproducing the dynamic range that has been mastered and captured in the actual movie or TV show. Does this mean that brightness is the only, or even the most important factor in image quality? Not necessarily, but it is a fairly easy thing to measure and that makes it an easy number to fixate on (for better or worse).
OLED TV'S are Overrated, Over Priced TV'S for Snobs, who have No Clue about Picture Quality!!!! The Only thing that OLED has is Deep Blacks, and a slight edge on Contrast levels. Things that are hard to see the Difference on without extreme Concentration. QLED TV'S are Much Brighter with Much more Vibrant Colors than OLED TV'S. This is what 95% of Consumers want. Plus the Majority of Consumers shop for the Least Expensive options when they buy. They are Not Seeing the Contrast and Black Level differences that most Honest Reviewers cannot see themselves (They have to take out calibration measuring equipment when they talk about it because what is on the TVS are Not showing a Visible Difference.)
A lot of people live beyond their means to begin with and will happily continue to do so, so I don’t think the TV companies will go out of business any time soon. I think sales are down about 10% since 2020 but they’re still selling billions of TVs.
Bravia 9 is definitely not a flagship TV for Sony, They only playing the numbers games.. all it is a glorified LCD TV, there will always be blooming on a LCD TV, G4 a true flagship....
Bravia 9 is Sony’s brightest TV ever using perhaps the most advanced Mini LED backlighting system available today. We haven’t compared it to LG G4 so we’ll refrain from any comparison judgements.
Dolby Vision is a type of HDR. Similar to HDR10+, Dolby Vision uses dynamic meta data to adapt the dynamic range of the content to best fit the capabilities of the TV. LG, Sony, TCL, and Hisense TVs offer Dolby Vision. Samsung offers HDR10+ which works in a similar fashion. TCL actually also includes HDR10+ on their higher end sets.
@@buschg7106 - Not exactly. Dolby Vision and HDR 10+ both use dynamic HDR and so are better able to map the high dynamic range content to the specific capabilities of the display. But it's all about the content, and right now there is a *lot* more content encoded in Dolby Vision which gives Dolby the upper hand.
@@ysoserious784 - Nobody except the #1 and #2 makers of TVs last year (Samsung and TCL) based on volume of sets delivered. Unfortunately there is a lot more content out there encoded in Dolby Vision than in HDR10+ so it's too bad Samsung has chosen not to support it (or more specifically chosen not to pay Dolby to license it). At least TCL includes both Dolby Vision and HDR10+ on their higher end sets.
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Fantastic broadcast guys. Excellent! This topic of size vs maybe better image is where I am at. I remember Caleb saying he had a hard time NOT watching the 98 TCL vs the higher end X95l.
I agree. TVs that size suck you in. I was watching a demo loop at the TCL event in NYC for like 20 minutes (it was only a 5 minute loop). The 115-inch model had football on it. Not normally a football fan, but when the players are literally larger than life, it's pretty compelling.
The biggest choice needs to be the size of the screen first. There is huge difference in price between 55, 65, 75 and 77” tvs. So pick your screen size and then buy the best you can afford from there. The best picture quality available is generally from OLED tvs. The picture processing and software that runs it makes the biggest difference.
Buy the best SONY you can afford.....period.
No there isn’t. Most TVs, the 55 and 65” and only a hundred dollars apart. Mainly because they all need the same stuff logic board power supply processor HDMI port., etc.
@@michael-4k4000 Sure, most cheaply made, bottom rung, entry level TVs, of the 55 and 65" size DO ONLY have about a $100 difference in retail price between them. But you've commented here on a site where most folks in the discussion want TVs that are capable of very good or even excellent picture quality performance. And the TV test specialists who test over 200 TV models of various screen sizes, from many manufacturers, for Consumer Reports, EVERY year, confirm that the kind of cheap TV junk that you referred to, where a 65" model offered to a consumer is only $100 higher in retail price than its 55" brand mate is, will always fall into the group of cheaply made TVs that are incapable of very good PQ, & are far, far away from excellent PQ! And BTW, as I last saw CR's online ratings, Sony's 65" A90L rated highly, with a price $700 above the 55" version.
@@michael-4k4000 For the models I have been shopping for, it's a $1000 (%50) jump from 65 to 77 inches. I think the msrps may be closer than that, but it's what I actually have to pay that matters.
My issue with tvs approaching 100” and over is where do you put the center speaker because now you’re forced to either put it very low to the ground or above the screen to which neither choice is good so you compromise your audio experience. Whereas a projector can use a perforated screen that can have the L,C,R speakers directly behind it and at the correct ear level. I can also customize size my screen to maximize the space available in that room. If I decide to remodel or move guess what I can sell my screen and buy a new one that now fits the best in that space while utilizing the same projector in most cases. I can also choose a cinescope screen and watch movies as they were filmed for the theater or I can simply use masking on a standard screen to remove the black bars, on a tv the black bars are always going to be there regardless the size. So saying that these large 100” and larger tvs are going to make projectors obsolete is ridiculous. They are just different products that will appeal to different people. For me personally I see an advantage to both types for example a nice big QD-Oled in our bright family room and a super immersive dedicated home theater with a 150” picture with the latest immersive sound experience like Dolby Atmos. So again different options based on what each individual prefers which is a great thing.
Maybe consider using an above screen center channel speaker and also an identical below screen center channel speaker to achieve 'center screen' perceived dialogue center point.
Very good points. Thanks for watching.
A mini led tv close to oled but without the burn 🔥 in to me is the way to go
It depends how mini LED is implemented, but shouldn’t disappoint
Why is it so hard to find actual reviews/settings of the 83" s90c? It is effectively a different model than the other sizes but all you find online are comments about how it's not as good. What about an actual review? There are no opportunities to see it in action near me and returning a tv that big is a nightmare!
Great podcast btw thx!
The S90C is WOLED as you are aware, but you are correct, no real substantial reviews on it. My opinion, get a 77inch S90C which is guaranteed QD OLED 2nd Gen. Great TV
@@trewright1482 sure but I want 83". Let's put it this way: there's a 16% difference in screen size between 77 and 83. Is the picture quality 16% worse? Or more like 5-10% worse?
It would cost me a little over 2x the cost of the 83 s90c to get an 83 g4 (the only 83 inch panel with mla and there are no 83 qdoleds). Hard to imagine the upgrade from s90c to g4 is 2x as good.
Thanks for your help anyway!
@@ewitty776 yeah there’s not really any good options for 83inch OLED TVs right now. It might be worth you buying the 83inch S90C and review it yourself during the return period. If you like it then great, if not return it. Sounds like some trouble but throwing down close to $3k it would be worth it. Only other option I like in 83inch is the A80L with the heat sink but that’s as much as the G4 and the A80L is last years model.
I bit the bullet and purchased a TCL 85C 805K here in the UK. Its a 144hz 85 inch qled mini led panel with extremely good black levels thanks to its VA screen. Its blown me away how much quality you can get for the price (£1500). I used to use premium 55inch lg CX oled and it is surprising how close this can get IQ wise. In the negatives i will say the out of the box colours and settings were awful and its taken me a fair amount of time to dial in the settings for colpur accuracy. For anyone wavering on whether to go big or stay smaller but get higher quality I would say take the jump and go as big as you can afford.
@@SpontaneousWeasel thanks for the feedback. Glad you’re enjoying your 85-inch TCL!
a Big 10-4! TCLs out of box is woeful. takes hours of tinkering to dial in to its potential. and No you can't just copy and paste other's settings. One TV will have a Red push, a different set a Blue push that influences Green. Use other's settings with complaints similar to yours as a starting point. if the Red is over blown at peak brightness while dull in low, you may want to then go as deep as 20 pt intervals. And even then have different settings for different modes, Sports will be different than movies, daytime viewing vs Night
37:00 one thing to keep in mind with the entire "TV vs Projector" debate is that at some point that 100" TV is either going to break or become outdated(or you may even move).
In otherwords before you hit buy just know whats going to be involved in getting rid of that TV that big. For many it will become a major PIA thing to get rid of when the time comes.
One thing I really like is the idea of using TV mount extender with high quality smaller sets so you can extend the TV out when watching critical content to get the viewing angle much higher for immersion.
That's a good point. The one big advantage of a projection-based system is that the "TV" can completely disappear when not in use. And as you say, they're a lot easier to take with you when you move.
But for $2K for a 98-inch TV, it's probably worth the eventual hassle of moving it, disposing of it or giving it away if/when that becomes necessary.
Of course it’s gonna break or die or become out dated. But a 98” for $2k is not worth all the issues that come along with projectors. I’ve owned 3 projectors, 2 Sony long throw and a Samsung UST. They are great in some ways, but a tv beats any project in every way except size. One thing no one mentions is how low you need to have the UST projector to the ground for a 120” screen. I had mine at 8” high. One thing I’ve noticed as I’ve gotten older, is a brighter better display is more important then a very large display that’s not as bright.
First time reviewer, I like the straightforward review given here. I think I’m going to buy this TV . I do want front facing speakers you guess I will have to buy a soundbar?
I want to get a 65" s90c but want the qdoled panel. The confusion is frustrating.
All 65 inch S90C ‘s are QD-oled, whether or not you get the 1st gen panel, or second gen panel is the question, I have the 2nd Gen qdoled version. But they ALL are QD OLED
@@PCHardwire Ok thank you so much!
Unless you go for 85”, 65 and 77” are QD OLED
55", 65" and 77" S90C are QD-OLED/ 83 inch is WRGB OLED.
@@ecoustics Thanks for the info. I'm gonna get the 65".
Will you do a walk through for all settings in tbe s90d? Its my first oled and i dont understand the settings
question, if buying a tv for primary watching fast paced sports, Hockey Basketball and Football, in a dark room ... is Oled the way to go or i could save money and get qled, uled etc and be just as happy with quality?
Start with biggest size that fits your space, then start weighing options that’s within your budget.
So is the Sony "Master Series" badge dead now?
Everyone is saying the Bravia 9 is a Master Series, but its not confirmed by Sony.
I had an oportunity to get a bigger TV recently. I was upgrading from a Sony 75" Z8H and trying to go 85".
I waited until Sony announced their 2024 lineup, but I was suprised there were no new Master Series except for the carry over A95L 2023 OLED and again the Z9K 2022 Mini-LED 8K.
I thought about getting the Bravia 9 but ultimately I think the Z9K has more features I wanted like 3 HDMI 2.1, 85 watt Audio and most likely brighter so I ended up getting an 85" Z9K.
We’re not aware of any Sony “Master Series” coming out this year. Let us know how you like the Z9K.
Sony really simplified the branding this year. None of the materials we received from them on the 2024 models used the "Master Series" branding any more.
@@ecousticsThe Z9K is awesome, specially at 85 inches where I can sit close to the TV and take advantage of the 8K screen and not see pixels. And it is bright and maybe even brighter than the Bravia 9.
Even if theres not a lot of 8K content, upscaling 4K to 8K really impresses me. The TV also has 3 HDMI 2.1 ports and have an 85 watt audio system which the Bravia 9 doesnt have.
@@AnythingGoesJoJo it could be the best lcd ever made.
Sony said Bravia 9 is not master series, and its not even designed to beat A95L.
So which type of tv cleans up "dirty content" best?
Depends on what type of "dirty." 😁 But in our experience, the Sony BRAVIA 9 and A95L do the best job with compressed or low resolution content because the Sony's video processor is excellent. When we tested standard def DVDs, our BRAVIA 7 looked a little better than the TCL QM8, but only a little.
@@ecousticsinteresting. I still don’t quite understand what that term means, but I’ve been noticing that my RUclips TV is very blurry at times on my Q9FN. I had a Samsung tech tell me that it’s the way the signal is broadcast. I don’t get it on any other app on my television. So does this mean Sony can better handle this?
@@Em_Dee_Aitch - RUclips TV's "broadcasts" (really, they're "streams" because it's online, coming from the cloud not a radio/TV broadcast). Anyway, RUclips TV isn't always the highest quality option for the channels that it provides. Case in point, in upstate NY, the NBC signal comes from the Albany NBC affiliate which is capped at 1080i resolution with 2-channel sound (at least it was this way for the Olympics). Meanwhile the actual free NBC broadcast over the air in NYC was in 1080p resolution with HDR (high dynamic range) and Dolby Atmos 5.1.4-channel sound with minimal compression. So the free local broadcast looked and sounded better than the paid option over RUclips TV.
The only benefit to a service like RUclips TV is that you can get local network broadcasts in an area that is too far from TV broadcast towers to be able to receive those channels for free. Plus RUclips TV allows you to subscribe to "cable" channels like AMC and ESPN which are not available for free over the air. But you can always get those "ala carte" by subscribing directly to the channel's streaming app.
But when we were talking about Sony TVs doing a good job with RUclips content, we weren't specifically talking about RUclips TV, we were talking about standard RUclips videos. The quality on these videos varies a lot depending on the actual creator. Some videos are standard def, some are 720p HD. Some are even created in UHD 4K quality. The lower quality videos from RUclips really don't look great on *any* TV, but they do look a little better on a Sony TV, because most Sony TVs have excellent upconversion so they can fill in a lot of that missing detail.
I can't saw for sure whether your RUclips TV signal would look better on a Sony TV than on your Samsung, but it's certainly possible, depending on the video processing in each specific model TV.
For me, it's the picture quality. I am looking at both mini and oled and leaning towards oled. I am in a space that 55 to 65 is better suited so bigger is not better for me.
The Value Electronics TV Shootout is coming in a few weeks. They'll have the top miniLED and top OLED TVs on hand for evaluation side by side. We'll be covering the event and will publish te results on August 3rd or 4th after the results are in.
I think I'm going to wait until Prime Day and hopefully get a good deal on a 65" Sony A95L. I currently have a 50" LG QNED side-lit TV. Wanting a significant upgrade. I'm not into games, but I like watching a variety of cable programs and my physical Blu-rays and 4k discs.
The A95L is still the best TV I've seen, for most content. I have the BRAVIA 7 in for review now (Mini LED) and it is really bright and does a great job preventing any blooming or haloing. But those silky OLED blacks are hard to beat.
If you can wait until July you might grab a better deal on an A95L, but if you spot it discounted sooner it might be wise to get it before Prime Day. amzn.to/451Jgyn
Probably $2995.
@@steveludwig4200 You think the price would drop only $300 (less then10%?) I think it would be a better deal than that.
@@ecousticsdoes the 77” A95L ever go on sale? I’ve only seen it at $5k. Thanks
Comparison Nvidia Shield Pro as source into a Sony XBR49X900F from 2018 vs native Google TV Sony Bravia 8 from 2024?
Regarding Samsungs S90D series, if you purchase a 55, 65, and 77", then are guaranteed a a QD-OLED panel? Is that accurate. I understand that QD-OLED doesn't exist, at this time, in 83". Not sure about all the different size monitors they make now. ,
You are correct.
In Australia, the s90D 77 is Woled. It looked really good, but I still went with the 65... what's everyone's obsession with these big TV's. I find them hard to watch when you're having to move your eyes the whole time. I find it not very relaxing.
@scottbrady4472 that's fine, watch whatever screen size makes u happy. This has nothing to do with likeing or not liking a screen size. It has to do with the panel they are using, and they don't make a QD-OLED 83" panel yet, nor do the they make a 48" or 42".
Do I get neo qn90d or a90k or sd90 or lg Oled
Not easy to answer without knowing size, price limit, and lighting conditions you’ll most be watching in.
I have a Sony vpl 5000es and a hidden screen with a 5 4 1 speaker system. It's hands down better than any TV. The sound system alone is crazy I got it all for less than 15k
Sony projectors are excellent, to be sure, but they can't compete with Mini LED (or even OLED) in a bright room. But for controlled lighting/home theater, the Sony and JVC projectors are awesome.
Bright living room with a lot of natural light coming in. Tv will be used for sports during the day and streaming movies. Should i go for the 85 inch Samsung qn90C or 75 inch Samsung qn800c. Or would it be worth it to go to 85 inch in the qn800c?
I love this podcast and am thrilled to see Caleb Denison as your guest! And I agreed with his wise comments for the most part. However, I totally disagree with Caleb’s statement that Samsung made the smarter call from a business standpoint when they opted to mix WOLED and QD-OLED into the same product line. Yes! They should be able to offer both OLED technologies, but they need to be putting them into separate product lines and model numbers to clearly delineate which technology is which. The customers, especially the less knowledgeable ones, deserve that.
Well, we can see both sides of the coin here, but yes, sell whatever you want (Samsung), just give them different model numbers if they use completely different panel technologies.
@@ecoustics exactly!
For the price of these larger screen Smart TV's, what is the actual life expectancy!!??🤔
SONY 5-7 yrs. LG/Samsung 2-3. Everything else Less than 2 yrs.
The lighting engines for MiniLED/LCD and OLED TVs are both rated to last upwards of 40,000 hours. That's well over 10 years even with heavy use. But other components in a TV can fail like power supplies and circuit boards. I'd say it's fair to expect at least 5-7 years out of a TV, from any brand. Some, like LG, offer 5 year warranties on their OLED panels which is nice from a peace of mind perspective.
Google TV will not last 10 years. I have the 2018 Sony XBR49X900F(this one had poor Dolby Vision and had to turn that off) and the Android TV was only good for 2 year then I had to get a Nvidia Shield Pro.
Upstairs we have the 2016 Sony XBR55X850D that the Android TV was useless after a few updates, we only keep the TV because it has really good viewing angles.
please bro tell me %100 oled G4 or C4 Burn in after along year??
when iam using for ps5
and Fillm or RUclips ( my country doesn't support 5 years warranty for G4 (LG Malaysia🇲🇾) Idon't know what to do?
) my english not good for see your video to understand😘 and bro some people told me after 10000 hour burn in🤦♂️😙 usually how many years panel alive without burn in in this new model oled? 😊
As long as you dont watch same static image for hours every day for months you wont experience burn in. Check out rting video about this. Both OLED and LCD suffer from panel damage after long use. Dont let burn in stop you from getting an OLED, it is the best tech available. LG G4 is the best TV you get now.
@@ElGrueso thanks but QLED Or Mini led not burn After along years for 7 yaers or above right ? but its oled problem maybe
@@pashazana8911 Both MiniLED and OLED might have screen issues after 7 years when you crank up brightness. According to RTing both MiniLED and OLED showed screen issue after long period of static image.
I'm not happy with this Vizio smart tv they say it's easy to set up etc well it's not I have been 4 days now trying to get it so can watch the tv and yet I'm unable to get it to work it 😢😢😢😢😢
Appalling by samsung with different panels on s90d why would you buy a Samsung over lg if it'd not a qd oled
Superior marketing?
Colour banding and panel uniformity are a big problem with lg for now otherwise I’d buy one tomorrow that’s why I bought a s90d not quite as good but panel is clean
Why skip Panasonic?
@@godricw512 focus was on major brands sold in the U.S.
Great guest! 👌
Thank you talk
Yes more ear batter home theater surround sound TV 📺
Why don't Samsung just make a 85 inch qd oled
We suspect cost of an 85-inch QD-OLED panel was probably too expensive at the time production runs were decided. That could change in the future.
Yes happy 55”inch Tv 📺
Yes need more movie TV 📺
Samsung customer have the right to know what panel they are getting for their money
The fact that they don’t care what you want or need to know speaks VOLUMES.
Sony A95L $2799 55" is what quality cost for the 1% of content that deserves it.
and the 5% of people who can afford it. :)
Agree, but it should also make the other 99% of content about the best it can be.
@ecoustics most of the manufacturers under engineer their TV's citing the cost, however, what they typically do is market segment and charge accordingly.
Also, how much extra would it cost to use a more powerful processor,....if it wasn't significant, then I suspect most people would pony up for better engineering.
Sony A95L, best tv in the markets.
29:00 going from 49" to 55", LoL
Yes new more ear batter surround sound tv 📺
The Great Nit Wars. Sounds like a good Sci-fi thriller
The Nit wars have begun!
Yes more ear batter volume up Tv 📺
Samsung should allow Dolby Vision on their TV's.
@@146maxpain they “should” but don’t seem to want to because they offer a competing technology instead (HDR10 or HDR10+).
OLEDS give me headaches and eyestrain so Qled for me
bonjour cette année 2024 sa sera le 83g4 ou le 85bravia9 le reste c'est que des mises à niveau
Bonjour et merci pour votre commentaire! Le LG G4 et le Sony BRAVIA 9 sont d’excellents téléviseurs. Si vous aimez éteindre les lumières, j’opterais probablement toujours pour l’OLED. Mais vous devriez essayer de voir les deux par vous-même.
@@ChrisBoylan
bonjour oui se qui différencier l'oled avec le mini led c'était le contraste maintenant sony à réaliser des prouesses avec le bravia 9 et sans abl il faudrait les mettre côte à côte pour un duel d'exception 🙏
Yes new more batter in WiFi tv 📺
Samsung are famous for panel switching, including their PC monitors.
I don't know whether Samsung are consistent across the globe.
Which Samsung monitor series / models are you referring to?
@@ecoustics from yrs ago when they alternated between aoc and Samsung panels.
If you need so good processing for mini LED , how do OLEDs do it with simple processors . No you don't need a powerful CPU to control a damn background lighting , you dont .
@@dedskin1 OLED technology doesn’t have backlighting, because each pixel is controlled individually.
OLED delivers perfect blacks, but the trade-off is OLED can’t get as bright as Mini LED.
Mini LED TVs use sophisticated processing to approximate pixel level accuracy when scenes demand it.
@@ecoustics And what controls pixels in OLED , lets simplify it LED , and what controls LED in background lightening , exactly the same thing Power supply , PWM power supply at that . Same thing runs them both , what a shocker its a LED diode , in front or behind the filter screen its a LED diode .
Kids can make OLEDs and they do , watch for signs and banners around your city , its LED with screen with no back light .
So its possible to make LED with no backlight , oh tough tits , yes it is . And you saw it . Must have some insane CPU controlling it , some insane computing power there , maybe we can reuse it and mine for Bitcoin .
THE QN900D AND S95D BEST FROM SAMSUNG 2024! DOESN'T NEED DOLBY VISION 😮
Yes more ear batter sound TV 📺
TCL QM851. I was so dissapointed with the Bravia 7 it has higher peak brightness but worse viewing angle and anti reflection than the X93L what a, dissapointment the X95L is still better than the Bravia 7, no wonder why it cost more than the newer Model...
Very interesting feedback. Thanks for sharing.
Also was disappointed with the B7 narrow viewing angle. So much so I decided to exchange it after a week for a G4.
LG G4 for the money😊
Yes, that model is one of the best. For others deciding, it depends how much they want to spend for the size they want.
yes new happy ear batter tv 📺 movie
they backed off of 8k bc 12k is coming
12K is unlikely to ever be a thing. 16K is out there already but mostly in modular sets like microLED where you're attaching multiple panels together to get that higher pixel count. Detail/sharpness is rated the least important factor for picture quality by ISF. Contrast, color accuracy and color volume are all rated higher. We don't need more pixels.
Actually it’s going beyond that. There’s already companies showing off glasses free 3D
We've seen glasses free 3D TVs for almost a decade. They still don't look very good. And they still need 3D content which is getting harder and harder to find.
Thankfully 3D seems to be dead for the mainstream.
Next variant of that would be VR and next after that some kind of hologram tech I would assume.
Hello
I'm about ready to take it back to Walmart and get me a different tv
It's totally disgusting that Sony have not given us a flagship TV this year, QD OLED is what a flagship TV should be..
I would say check out the BRAVIA 9 in person on a wide selection of content before deciding it's not flagship material. It was very impressive in person.
What exactly on the A95L did u want updated? Let Sony know.... so Sony can get working on it..
Not a fan of LG power supply issues for me never buy that brand again
LG has been the best TV I've ever owned by far
We're not aware of any persistent issues with LG TV power supplies other than the ones that were covered by a recall and repair a few years ago in some markets (including Australia and UK). Every product can have problems but LG does offer a 5-year panel warranty on its high-end OLEDs (G series and Z series) which is great.
Maybe I just got a bad unit, but I’ll still stir away from that brand
I hate power supply issues
The only TVs that stopped working was Samsung and the LG 3D TV. Sony still going from 2016 & 2018.
Good conversation with Caleb you have insight into the industry which your readership craves . But at 20:10 , as innocent as it may seem ... racial profiling for the purpose of analogy ? C'mon guys . I am middleground politically and usually don't cite this . But you may be making the Asian viewerbase you have , perhaps others , uncomfortable in this dialogue even though we can disseminate it's purpose . Please be more aware of the context of your words as you engage in otherwise intelligent discussion .
I know that this is a tech conversation, but I've found content that looks great but the movies sucked. So great looking movies do not translate into good movies.
True but these movies make the best demos because you don't get distracted by silly things like plot and intelligent dialog. :)
TCL and Hisense were an absolute joke brand not too long ago. They are Chinese companies. Hard no.
Samsung made its name on pizazz. Brighter isn’t better.
LG is the OLED king - but I’m personally not interested in an OLED.
Sony is the gold standard. Period.
Don't buy tv in 2024. Buy one from 2023
Why?
Why?
To save $200, no
My Time Machine is broken
I got the A95L.
ive got an LG g4 3 days ago but after trying to make it look half decent its discusting.. colors are bad shows dont seem vibrant or punchy im gonna return it and stick to Samsung... this is the last time i buy LG my 8 year old samsung non Qled looks better colorwise then this mess a pretend to be top of the line tv. im done with LG this left a very bad taste in my mouth. im sorry samsung for doubting u newer sets im coming back to you running.
Bought a premium LG OLED in 2017. Burn in started at year 6...became unwatchable in year 7. A $3000 Plus tv failed with a lousy pictures while LED TVs keep chugging along. Won't buy another OLED TV and won't buy LG either. Sorry guys but people will drop oled and LG with experience. My view
Oh yeah I can tell the difference a bright TV and a dark TV! Wtf is wrong with him? Why the heck is he talking Hisense TV's so much?
Caleb is wound to tight
And you don’t know how to spell.
Reviewers sponsored by any tv brands , shall not talk about which tv to buy .
Most people still watch older movies and dvds . The best tv has to be Sony .
Why emphasise on bright tv as if that is the most important criteria . Dont get this . If you shoot a Camera , the picture is bright , they call it Over exposed . But tv reveiwing , they talk about bright bright and bright . 20 years ago or 30 yrs ago , the best tv is about the detail and best picture color .
But if reviewers sponsored by a bright tv , they talk about brightness as the best tv , eventhough in realiti , that tv is lousy and unreliable .
None of the participants on this video nor eCoustics itself is sponsored or paid by any TV brands. Opinions are those of the speakers alone, informed by hands-on experience and evaluation of the brands and models mentioned.
As to the "brightness" comment, the sun is several million nits. Pitch black is 0 nits. When a display can represent the full range of visible light from 0 to millions of nits, it will be perfect. Until then, everything is a compromise. Difficult scenes like sunrises and sunsets can be captured more effectively by a TV with higher peak brightness capabilities. But sometimes the ability to capture high brightness comes at a cost with other limitations in performance. We're also currently limited by the dynamic range capture capabilities of film and digital cameras and by the mastering practices of the content that we watch on these displays. But it's the display brightness that is the limiting factor in most cases.
Most 4K content is mastered at 1000 nits peak brightness, some is mastered for 4000 nits peak brightness, and a small selection of content is mastered at up to 10,000 nits peak. The higher the peak brightness on the display, the closer it can come to reproducing the dynamic range that has been mastered and captured in the actual movie or TV show. Does this mean that brightness is the only, or even the most important factor in image quality? Not necessarily, but it is a fairly easy thing to measure and that makes it an easy number to fixate on (for better or worse).
OLED TV'S are Overrated, Over Priced TV'S for Snobs, who have No Clue about Picture Quality!!!!
The Only thing that OLED has is Deep Blacks, and a slight edge on Contrast levels. Things that are hard to see the Difference on without extreme Concentration.
QLED TV'S are Much Brighter with Much more Vibrant Colors than OLED TV'S. This is what 95% of Consumers want. Plus the Majority of Consumers shop for the Least Expensive options when they buy.
They are Not Seeing the Contrast and Black Level differences that most Honest Reviewers cannot see themselves (They have to take out calibration measuring equipment when they talk about it because what is on the TVS are Not showing a Visible Difference.)
Nobody has money to buy a new credenza or a 98 inch tv these days with the high costs of living.
You are the only one who is being real here
A lot of people live beyond their means to begin with and will happily continue to do so, so I don’t think the TV companies will go out of business any time soon.
I think sales are down about 10% since 2020 but they’re still selling billions of TVs.
Bravia 9 is definitely not a flagship TV for Sony, They only playing the numbers games.. all it is a glorified LCD TV, there will always be blooming on a LCD TV, G4 a true flagship....
Bravia 9 is Sony’s brightest TV ever using perhaps the most advanced Mini LED backlighting system available today. We haven’t compared it to LG G4 so we’ll refrain from any comparison judgements.
Sony tvs too expensive and Samsung too wonky.
And cinephiles say dolby vision is better than hdr I've heard
Dolby Vision is a type of HDR. Similar to HDR10+, Dolby Vision uses dynamic meta data to adapt the dynamic range of the content to best fit the capabilities of the TV. LG, Sony, TCL, and Hisense TVs offer Dolby Vision. Samsung offers HDR10+ which works in a similar fashion. TCL actually also includes HDR10+ on their higher end sets.
DV is the same as regular hdr. HDR10+ is better
Nobody really supports HDR10+.
@@buschg7106 - Not exactly. Dolby Vision and HDR 10+ both use dynamic HDR and so are better able to map the high dynamic range content to the specific capabilities of the display. But it's all about the content, and right now there is a *lot* more content encoded in Dolby Vision which gives Dolby the upper hand.
@@ysoserious784 - Nobody except the #1 and #2 makers of TVs last year (Samsung and TCL) based on volume of sets delivered. Unfortunately there is a lot more content out there encoded in Dolby Vision than in HDR10+ so it's too bad Samsung has chosen not to support it (or more specifically chosen not to pay Dolby to license it). At least TCL includes both Dolby Vision and HDR10+ on their higher end sets.