I had an MT650 which I covered 7k miles in just under two years. It never missed a beat. Those switches are backlit if you didn't know. All that for less than £4K.
The graphics on the lower tank panel made it look like it had been dropped or thrown down the road. As you left Lings and went round the roundabout, the dealers you passed on the right (Weatherleys) is where I got my Softail from (very nice people there).
My mate works in bike shop that sells CF Moto & HE said they're really good.The one to get HE said is the CF Moto CL 700 it's got alot more power for only 50cc more & is a rocket he said. Also said the CF Moto 700CL-X ADV is a steal & comes fully loaded for its price.The 700 engine used is the same engine used by KTM 690 & CF Moto actually makes the KTM 690-790 engines under license & can use them in their own bikes. Have said the MT450 is great & a steal too.Only issue would be resale value I reckon.
I assume if people stay as happy as they are now, the resale value will start stabilizing. I paid 3,999 USD for mine new, and I see used ones with thousands of miles for more, Lol. I don't know exactly when that started happening, but somehow, it's possible to buy and sell a new bike and make a profit. 😮
I got mine across the pond. It's a 22 that I got in 23 for 3,999 USD! It's going to be tough for the Japanese manufacturers to complete. I've got close to 3000 miles on mine, loving it so far!
Our Blood Bikes have just got two 800MT’s TAYM, they seem to be ok bikes so far, they’ll get a good test because we do lots of miles. They’re powered by KTM engines and the UK dealerships are overseen now by KTM.
I’m thinking as your not paying that much for it New in the first place then the PX value shouldn’t be a worry. It’s good to see some of the Bigger main dealers wanting to stock then & hopefully the servicing and parts availability will improve with time-what’s not to like.
Good afternoon Mr TAYM. Good choice of bike for a blast around the lanes. It has the same engine as was in that Moto Morini Seiemmezzo I rode, certainly not lacking in oomph. I say same engine,as CFmoto supply them to other manufacturers, including Moto Morini. Bear in mind that CFmoto also make engines for KTM too. As for this bike, things like span adjustable handlebar levers, tft dash (all be it hard to see in bright sunlight), fitted as standard. Plus, a 4 year parts and labour warranty is not to be ignored. I just wish CFmoto had a dealer closer to me, not so much for taking for a test ride, but for servicing etc. Over an hour away, is not close enough, especially if it wouldn’t fit in the van (thinking more about their larger bikes). The CFmoto 650 MT, is highly regarded, as a budget long distance tourer. What’s not to like ! Great review.
My mate sells CF Moto bikes Ian & said the newer 700 CL road & 700CL-X ADV are the bikes to get from CF Moto.Use the KTM 690 motor & he did a video when HE rode the Adv version & it was fully loaded to many options to list line a high end brand but thousands cheaper.HE couldn't believe how good it was & said if you thinking 🤔 about one look at the 700CL road bike or 700CL-X.
The 700CL-X is 73hp & 68Nm so 10-12hp more than 650 & weighs 205kg wet weight & cost 12k NZ. The 800 MT is even better if after a ADV bike my mate got to ride one for a week & loved it & costs 15.5k (£7750) & 95hp & 77Nm. The MT 800 Explore is the Creme de la Creme model Adv model with more features same 95hp & 77Nm & has a whopper 19L tank & has all the modern stuff & costs 17k NZ 🇳🇿 so £8500uk. Transalp 750 ADV 20k & next bike up.A Motoguzzi 850 Vtt cost 23k NZ.Then it jumps up in price to Triumphs Tiger 🐅 & Africa Twin which cost heaps. I have to travel 70-75mins max to closest Triumph Dealership but I live in countryside.A hour isn't to bad to travel.If I owned a Kawasaki or Suzuki only need to travel 20mins.
@@TAYM Probably pay to pay a little extra to extend the warranty by a year or 2 that way you can trade it for another CF Moto or sell it while it still has a 12-14months warranty left.
Well done TAYM for a sunny video exposure of a generally disregarded motorcyle manufacturer. Using a reworked Kawasaki engine is no bad thing if they've reduced the vibes of the originals and at £4000 it must be bargain of the year so far.
Once again, I’m sure I’m repeating myself. My 1974 Ducati 750 Sport was $2500 brand new with 62 HP. Pretty crazy. This thing probably handles better too!
That’s very good for the money, sounds a little bit like a nice tractor sound lol . I did my first job on my Enfield, I put one of those heal and toe gear changers very good makes gear change very easy 👍🏍️
Morning TAYM, it's looking cracking weather down there! As for Chinese bikes I've mentioned previously my missus has got a Zontes GK125 and it's a brilliant bike , it's even got stainless steel spokes, which I'll say Enfield should have put on the Classic 350's to avoid the corrosive problem of the mild steel one's that's on them. Anyway yes the quality of the Chinese bikes has vastly improved, also there's nothing wrong with the tyres she's been out in in the rain with no grip problems at all, and they're scrambler tyres as well. I keep nicking it to thrash round the lane's it's a right hoot! If you can find a Zontes dealer near you go and try the bigger GK350 it's a bit of a hooligan, I loved it ! and if I had 4.5 K spare I'd have one! but I'm saving up for a Shotgun 650! to keep my Classic company, 😅😅 Cheers Mel 🍻 PS..just checked the specs on the CF moto tyres, they're fitted with Pireli GT 's so there's no worries anyway 👍
Looks like this bike would be a hoot to ride and at a great price. Holdover Interceptors are going for $4999 here in the US, which would make this a better bargain for the same displacement, interesting.
@@TAYM I bet it is. My bike list is narrowed down to a retro or vintage bike and maybe a DR 650. Not that I don’t think the Chinese make good bikes, I’m finalizing my stable with lower tech reliable bikes. Yet, I’ll keep the Harley. 😂
I remember when they came out here in Aus in the late 2000s. Folks would say the engine was a Kawasaki copy ... but knowing other manufacturing industries I wondered if the Kawa engine was built by a factory which also produces CFmotos .... then 790 anf 890 KTMs. I now wonder if all of these parallel twins are produced by some mega factory and just "tweaked" fot each brand. Eg mt07s, the new SVs, hornets etc. If these companies can buy an engine cheaper than it costs to run their own factory ... why wouldn't they? Same thing has been the go in mountainbikes for years.
Been looking at the CF brand for a while now and it’s mostly good reviews, I definitely gonna check them out, the 450 range looks very tempting too, especially the new 450CL-C, great little cruiser it seems
The looks are reminiscent of KTM's which is no surprise as CF Moto makes certain models for them. Bingley Wheeler has just bought the bigger brother so we'll see how he gets on.
Reworked Kawasaki ER 650 Engine The ER -6 was winning Races in the Isle of Man TT Supertwins for Quite a Few Years So got some Pedigree Taste Test . I would Have Gone For The All-sorts Yellow Coconut Ring What a Bargain of a Bike
It seems not a bad bike for the money, perhaps a little on the hefty side at 206kg for a 650. It looks like any other 650 on the market but I don't like the tank decals, they seem to make it look like it's been dropped.
Still 40 kg less than the shot gun and given it’s a wet weight, about the same as an interceptor 😁 it’s also the same as the triumph 660’s and 10kg lighter than the Kawasaki 650 versys and a bit more than the ninja and a whooping 18kg more than the z650 which it is based on 😂😂 thanks GW 😁
Morning,it certainly is a bargain at that price,and i suppose depreciation doesn't really matter if you keep one a few years as it will always be worth £1500. The problem with ownership would be the supply of parts. I just had a quick look at what was available and apart from a stockist called quadzilla uk there isn't many available part's listed for sale! The prices are pretty high too,air filter £40, front brake lever just over £100 as two examples. If you had a low speed crash,you could be waiting quite along time for part's compared with the availability of spares for Japanese bike's. There's too many different models for a UK stockist to be able to supply everything from stock,so until that changes as much as i like the tempting price i wouldn't be buying one 🤔
Yes, that’s the thing, the unknown knowns 🤔 if you can’t get the parts/spares or they are expensive, there’s no real saving 😁 time will tell 😁 thanks B 😁
Great review mate. I tell you what . I absolutely love the T100, but I do sort of miss the TRK, and it is hard to justify the extra money, but the T100 is a dream bike🤩. The Chinese build quality and handling aren't that far of the Triumph, and if I was going back to an adventure bike, I would seriously consider another TRK or the 800 CF moto . There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Chinese bikes, especially for the price and all the features. Resale wise, I got a great trade-in deal on the TRK and the dealer sold it again in 2 weeks. Win win.
Yes very different bikes, but you wait until summer 😁 Now you see why I always go on about a winter bike 😁 The T100 is a very special bike that can do everything if you want it to but its party piece is the feeling it gives you 😁 There are better bikes for the winter and shitty days but, whilst still fun, they are only to do a job 😁 Least that’s what I think 😁 Thanks IT 😁
I am sure that Frank the giraffe arranged and insisted for you to test the 450 mt too, one of the hottest new bikes in the small adv class, together with the Himy 450
Morning TAYM, I've been waiting for this, (thanks for the mention last week btw), as I suspect that the 450MT will be a real competitor for the 450 Himalayan - definitely food for thought. I'd like to think that the Chinese have turned a corner now. I've booked a test on the 450MT, so we'll see! Cheers anyway, really interesting. 👍
As a past owner of 2012 cfmoto 650 (versys style engine ) naked at the time.. the only issue I had was poor quality bolts n plastic ....I moved to a 2018 versys 650 to have a more comfortable and wind protection... it wasn't really that much better quality but what latest cf motos are like is defo much better made.......and like enfields amazing value....
@@TAYM good morning Taym I think everyone enjoyed it yesterday weather was a bit of everything wet sunny windy but most enjoyable day I done 530 miles round trip 👍🏍️
If that looks like a "Bug" , How about the Honda "Hornet" 😂 We have 450MT Demo bikes starting. to appear in the shops locally , Looking forward to having a squirt on one.👍 Cheers TAYM 😊
Put some bags on that and it will take you anywhere, simple bike without all the tech bullshit that modern bikers cant leave home without. Massive value as well.
I wouldn't be surprised if they start making some pretty good retro bikes, where reviewers go 'Chinese rubbish' and the public goes: looks awesome, rides awesome and I can afford it!
Here in the US the local CFMoto dealer is advertising the 650 ADVentura with luggage for $3999 US. I wonder if they’re phasing out the models that use the Kawasaki-derived engine. Seems a lot of the 650’s are selling at bargain prices. I’ve tried to avoid going to the shop to look at it-I don’t need any more.bikes!
I imagine it's a bit like when the Japanese first started making motorcycles and the consumers of British bikes thought they were ridiculous and wouldn't ever be as good. I've not ridden a Chinese motorcycle and maybe I should, but I buy motorcycles because they are my passion and cost isn't my primary concern. It would be interesting to read opinions of people who've owned Chinese bikes for a while as people who own them on Reddit seem to think they don't last. Thanks for doing the investigative journalism, TAYM!
I owned a new Skygo Earl Classic in 2022; assembled in Cebu, Philippines, made in China by Lifan. Lifan make over a million engines a year for their own bikes and for other OEM's. It was a perfectly good 150 cc bike, great for the horrible local traffic conditions, completely reliable and cost me about 620GPB, ride away.
I think it’s great that you can get bikes this cheap especially if you are on a tight budget, the longevity of the parts , well time will tell I guess and I watched bingley wheeler video on his adventure style bike and he was loving it , let’s hope the reliability is good too . But as you said the Chinese are coming
Have to credit Chinese manufacturers.Nice little bike, cheap as chips all other manufacturers are doomed they can't compete with labour and energy costs. We sell China plenty of cheap coal to keep energy cost down, we dont like burning it ourselves apparently, ironic really. Oz roads are loaded with affordable Chinese made cars bikes r sure to follow. Thanks TAYM.
They're probably the best Chinese brand but resale value be bugger all at moment & next few years but could change when word gets out about there reliablility.Vinnie sells them & likes them & said the 700CL & 700CL-X use the KTM engine as they build the KTM 690 engine under license. The 700CL-X ADV comes fully loaded too & thousands cheaper than other ADV bikes. People harp on about KTM 690-790 same motor.Vinnie reckons the CF Moto CL 700 & CL-X is a great bike especially for the money.
Chinese manufacturing will go the same way as Japan and Korea did RR. Start cheap, get established with good product and away we go...wonder why Koreans didn't make motorcycles?
@@ruahinesriderI own a Suzuki V Strom. 250 parallel twin built in China, just as reliable & well built as any other Suzuki I owned . A lot of the big name motorcycle manufacturers ,source components , engines & even have full motorcycles built in China . Company’s like Honda , Yamaha , Suzuki , BMW & others . The Chinese have the latest tech & resources to build to any quality & price point the customer or partner company requires .
Probably not for me I don’t especially like the looks of the modern styling! But still I’d sooner have it than that blue Suzuki in the background, who buy that? 🤣🤣🤣
How much TAYM ?😂great bike for the money who new that Royal Enfield would have competition on the pricing front they should bring out a classic styley at that price it would sell well . Nice one TAYM just think of how many pennies you would have saved buying one of these over the Suzuki gsx 8 😉or is that a step to far ? 👌👍
Well I think that has to be the bargain of the summer, do it all bike for 4 grand and from what I have seen n heard of CF moto they are very competent at producing a decent quality product I mean ask KTM .
I think CF Moto is the Chinese brand to watch, they are coming out with some nice bikes now. It has to be remembered that the 650 you rode is one of their older models and the newer stuff has improved even further just like Royal Enfield have improved on their newer models over the original Interceptor. I guess the question is do you not buy Chinese because of principles but then beggars can't be choosers and for a lot of people this will give them access to a brand new bike with a waranty for a relatively small amount of money.
@@TAYM Yes it is sometimes easy to forget that principles are a luxury that many cannot afford and anything that makes motorbikes more accessible is good in my books.
Not for me TAYM as you know I like my classic bikes & my newest one is 25 years old, I wonder about the longevity of these machines & of bikes in general with fuel injection systems ECU's & god knows what else electronic gadgetry being practical in long term ownership ? Having said all of that I think these Chinese bikes are the same type of threat as the Japanese bikes were to the British motorcycle industry ! Watch out all you other manufacturers the Chinese are coming for you !
ha. had to pause the vid - when I came back, the video was at 10:54 and there in the left mirror was your face revealed. you should wear a mask like the Lone Ranger (American cowboy character) to maintain your anonymity.
The Japanese and other manus including RE need to check their mirrors as the chinese are coming. The more that are bought the more dealers will pop up. Bingley W just bought one. Cable speedo a joy to me easy fix. Bikes with no electronic gizmos are great news. There are many European vloggers raving about Italian/chinese bikes and some with 30k miles on. As a personal buy I’d be scared due to back up/ parts and dealers. Most bikers in uk a leisure motorcyclists and i have in the last gone in the garage and looked at my bikes when I had more than one and thought that’s 10k sat there being used occasionally and sold. I’ve always kept my cheaper bikes. People bought Skodas/ kia/ hyundai on price as they have a need. These brands are getting g a lot of social media publication. Beware others. Oh and the 4 yr warranty
@@andrewhayes4246 Totally agree Andrew. This argument that we all have Chinese products and components already is an empty one ... we DO still have a choice with where our motorcycles manufacturer hails from and choosing to buy from a totalitarian regime that is actively undermining our society is a choice I will never make as long as I have an alternative ....It's about having principles.
I’ve never been bothered about warranty on Japanese bikes. I’ve never had a problem with one in 40+ years of motorcycling. Hopefully, the cf Moto bikes will prove reliable.
Cheap cheap cheap. That's all we hear . Purchase price is only part of the overall running cost . Chop Fooey Motos for cheap foo'ng motorcyclists . I won't put Chinese bearings in any motorcycle I own . I've had too many failures in the past . Chinese made KTM and BMW engines are getting a reputation for poor quality . So sorry I can't jump on the "fan boy " bandwagon for Chinese junks and send my hard earned money to bolster the Chinese economy .
Thanks DS 😁 it’s a difficult one isn’t it🤔 I can’t stop thinking of all those socket sets and spanner’s I bought from exchange and mart in the 70’s 🤔 you know the ones that bent or rounded off 🤔😂😂😂 let’s hope they are better now😁 I have noticed there were a few MTs had to have new side stands because they bend🤔😂😂
Noooooooo. A second hand Japanese bike has still got to be better than a brand new Chinese one surely. But they do good food don't you think 🤭. I hope that's not racialist. Don't want to get banned 👍
Like a lot of modern motorcycles it’s grotesque with the appearance of a mechanical insect . Another result of allowing IT & gamer nerds to run amok in motorcycle design departments . For the same money they could have made a bike that looks a lot more like a proper motorcycle.
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I had an MT650 which I covered 7k miles in just under two years. It never missed a beat. Those switches are backlit if you didn't know. All that for less than £4K.
Quite incredible isn’t it😁 thanks Mick 😁
The graphics on the lower tank panel made it look like it had been dropped or thrown down the road. As you left Lings and went round the roundabout, the dealers you passed on the right (Weatherleys) is where I got my Softail from (very nice people there).
Thanks Bill 😁 that’s exactly what I thought too 😂😂😂
My mate works in bike shop that sells CF Moto & HE said they're really good.The one to get HE said is the CF Moto CL 700 it's got alot more power for only 50cc more & is a rocket he said.
Also said the CF Moto 700CL-X ADV is a steal & comes fully loaded for its price.The 700 engine used is the same engine used by KTM 690 & CF Moto actually makes the KTM 690-790 engines under license & can use them in their own bikes.
Have said the MT450 is great & a steal too.Only issue would be resale value I reckon.
Exactly 😁 it’s going to be interesting going forward 😁 thanks RR 😁
700 is a twin, 690 is a single, so I wouldn't say it's the same engine :D
I assume if people stay as happy as they are now, the resale value will start stabilizing. I paid 3,999 USD for mine new, and I see used ones with thousands of miles for more, Lol. I don't know exactly when that started happening, but somehow, it's possible to buy and sell a new bike and make a profit. 😮
I got mine across the pond. It's a 22 that I got in 23 for 3,999 USD! It's going to be tough for the Japanese manufacturers to complete. I've got close to 3000 miles on mine, loving it so far!
Excellent 😁 thanks RnR 😁
Found one $3499 usd 2022 650 nk
Our Blood Bikes have just got two 800MT’s TAYM, they seem to be ok bikes so far, they’ll get a good test because we do lots of miles. They’re powered by KTM engines and the UK dealerships are overseen now by KTM.
Ktm without the electric gimmicks good news
Keep us updated on how they are after some miles, please.
Interesting 🤔 thanks SW 😁
The fact that this CFMOTO is sold and supported by LIngs is a great endorsement of the Brand. It gets my vote.
Thanks Chris 😁
I’m thinking as your not paying that much for it New in the first place then the PX value shouldn’t be a worry. It’s good to see some of the Bigger main dealers wanting to stock then & hopefully the servicing and parts availability will improve with time-what’s not to like.
Thanks JD 😁
Good afternoon Mr TAYM. Good choice of bike for a blast around the lanes. It has the same engine as was in that Moto Morini Seiemmezzo I rode, certainly not lacking in oomph. I say same engine,as CFmoto supply them to other manufacturers, including Moto Morini. Bear in mind that CFmoto also make engines for KTM too. As for this bike, things like span adjustable handlebar levers, tft dash (all be it hard to see in bright sunlight), fitted as standard. Plus, a 4 year parts and labour warranty is not to be ignored. I just wish CFmoto had a dealer closer to me, not so much for taking for a test ride, but for servicing etc. Over an hour away, is not close enough, especially if it wouldn’t fit in the van (thinking more about their larger bikes). The CFmoto 650 MT, is highly regarded, as a budget long distance tourer. What’s not to like ! Great review.
My mate sells CF Moto bikes Ian & said the newer 700 CL road & 700CL-X ADV are the bikes to get from CF Moto.Use the KTM 690 motor & he did a video when HE rode the Adv version & it was fully loaded to many options to list line a high end brand but thousands cheaper.HE couldn't believe how good it was & said if you thinking 🤔 about one look at the 700CL road bike or 700CL-X.
The 700CL-X is 73hp & 68Nm so 10-12hp more than 650 & weighs 205kg wet weight & cost 12k NZ.
The 800 MT is even better if after a ADV bike my mate got to ride one for a week & loved it & costs 15.5k (£7750) & 95hp & 77Nm.
The MT 800 Explore is the Creme de la Creme model Adv model with more features same 95hp & 77Nm & has a whopper 19L tank & has all the modern stuff & costs 17k NZ 🇳🇿 so £8500uk.
Transalp 750 ADV 20k & next bike up.A Motoguzzi 850 Vtt cost 23k NZ.Then it jumps up in price to Triumphs Tiger 🐅 & Africa Twin which cost heaps.
I have to travel 70-75mins max to closest Triumph Dealership but I live in countryside.A hour isn't to bad to travel.If I owned a Kawasaki or Suzuki only need to travel 20mins.
Thanks Ian 😁 yes, the servicing and parts/spares is the unknown 🤔 hopefully that side of things will be fine too 😁
@@TAYM Probably pay to pay a little extra to extend the warranty by a year or 2 that way you can trade it for another CF Moto or sell it while it still has a 12-14months warranty left.
Well done TAYM for a sunny video exposure of a generally disregarded motorcyle manufacturer. Using a reworked Kawasaki engine is no bad thing if they've reduced the vibes of the originals and at £4000 it must be bargain of the year so far.
Thanks B 😁 an interesting option 😁
Supreme video - hard to beat the CF at that price…… thank you for a sensible review!
Thanks Ian 😁
Once again, I’m sure I’m repeating myself. My 1974 Ducati 750 Sport was $2500 brand new with 62 HP. Pretty crazy. This thing probably handles better too!
😂😂😂 thanks Bob 😁
That’s very good for the money, sounds a little bit like a nice tractor sound lol . I did my first job on my Enfield, I put one of those heal and toe gear changers very good makes gear change very easy 👍🏍️
😂😂😂 Excellent 😁 no more scuffed boots for you then 😁 thanks MsD😁
Morning TAYM, it's looking cracking weather down there!
As for Chinese bikes I've mentioned previously my missus has got a Zontes GK125 and it's a brilliant bike , it's even got stainless steel spokes, which I'll say Enfield should have put on the Classic 350's to avoid the corrosive problem of the mild steel one's that's on them.
Anyway yes the quality of the Chinese bikes has vastly improved, also there's nothing wrong with the tyres she's been out in in the rain with no grip problems at all, and they're scrambler tyres as well. I keep nicking it to thrash round the lane's it's a right hoot! If you can find a Zontes dealer near you go and try the bigger GK350 it's a bit of a hooligan, I loved it ! and if I had 4.5 K spare I'd have one! but I'm saving up for a Shotgun 650! to keep my Classic company, 😅😅
Cheers Mel 🍻
PS..just checked the specs on the CF moto tyres, they're fitted with Pireli GT 's so there's no worries anyway 👍
Very interesting 😁 I shall see if I can find one 😁 thanks Mel 😁
Yeah, but how much is it TAYM? I don't think you mentioned that. 😂😂😂👍
😂😂😂😂 thanks Mo 😁
Looks like this bike would be a hoot to ride and at a great price. Holdover Interceptors are going for $4999 here in the US, which would make this a better bargain for the same displacement, interesting.
Thanks PW 😁 very different though 😁
@@TAYM I bet it is. My bike list is narrowed down to a retro or vintage bike and maybe a DR 650.
Not that I don’t think the Chinese make good bikes, I’m finalizing my stable with lower tech reliable bikes.
Yet, I’ll keep the Harley. 😂
@@pinkiewerewolf 😂😂😂😂
never mind the quality feel the width .
😂😂😂😂 thanks MrEd 😁
The 800mt and 800nk are stunning looking bikes with spec that puts the big brands to shame, great video as usual taym, would like to see moke cf moto
Thanks Stephen 😁
I remember when they came out here in Aus in the late 2000s. Folks would say the engine was a Kawasaki copy ... but knowing other manufacturing industries I wondered if the Kawa engine was built by a factory which also produces CFmotos .... then 790 anf 890 KTMs. I now wonder if all of these parallel twins are produced by some mega factory and just "tweaked" fot each brand. Eg mt07s, the new SVs, hornets etc. If these companies can buy an engine cheaper than it costs to run their own factory ... why wouldn't they? Same thing has been the go in mountainbikes for years.
Makes you think 😁 thanks Barry 😁
Been looking at the CF brand for a while now and it’s mostly good reviews, I definitely gonna check them out, the 450 range looks very tempting too, especially the new 450CL-C, great little cruiser it seems
Yes, the 450 looks really handy 😁 thanks Robert 😁
Hi what's the pillion seat like looks rather on the small size.Any chance of taking a pillion marvelous 😄👍👍
Thanks Ken 😁 It isn’t much different to other bikes in the class. They all seem small. 😁
The looks are reminiscent of KTM's which is no surprise as CF Moto makes certain models for them. Bingley Wheeler has just bought the bigger brother so we'll see how he gets on.
Yes, time will tell 😁 thanks Simon 😁
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It seems not a bad bike for the money, perhaps a little on the hefty side at 206kg for a 650. It looks like any other 650 on the market but I don't like the tank decals, they seem to make it look like it's been dropped.
Still 40 kg less than the shot gun and given it’s a wet weight, about the same as an interceptor 😁 it’s also the same as the triumph 660’s and 10kg lighter than the Kawasaki 650 versys and a bit more than the ninja and a whooping 18kg more than the z650 which it is based on 😂😂 thanks GW 😁
@@TAYM Thanks for all the stats, I never realised how heavy a lot of these bike's are 😯😲😂
It is a Kawasaki but fair play to them and very good value for money love the colour scheme i would say it will be very reliable
Thanks Frank 😁
Morning,it certainly is a bargain at that price,and i suppose depreciation doesn't really matter if you keep one a few years as it will always be worth £1500. The problem with ownership would be the supply of parts. I just had a quick look at what was available and apart from a stockist called quadzilla uk there isn't many available part's listed for sale! The prices are pretty high too,air filter £40, front brake lever just over £100 as two examples. If you had a low speed crash,you could be waiting quite along time for part's compared with the availability of spares for Japanese bike's. There's too many different models for a UK stockist to be able to supply everything from stock,so until that changes as much as i like the tempting price i wouldn't be buying one 🤔
Yes, that’s the thing, the unknown knowns 🤔 if you can’t get the parts/spares or they are expensive, there’s no real saving 😁 time will tell 😁 thanks B 😁
It's crazy when you think a ER6N back in 2008 cost £4500 which the CF650NK looks based on. Good value for money 👍
😂😂😂 incredible 😁 thanks Mark 😁
Love the price. It's like store brand product of a premium product. Wonderful. I like Aldi brand products, saves me money!
😂😂😂😂 thanks LoY 😁
Nice one TAYM, an absolute bargain......
Thanks H 😁
Great review mate. I tell you what . I absolutely love the T100, but I do sort of miss the TRK, and it is hard to justify the extra money, but the T100 is a dream bike🤩. The Chinese build quality and handling aren't that far of the Triumph, and if I was going back to an adventure bike, I would seriously consider another TRK or the 800 CF moto . There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Chinese bikes, especially for the price and all the features. Resale wise, I got a great trade-in deal on the TRK and the dealer sold it again in 2 weeks. Win win.
Yes very different bikes, but you wait until summer 😁 Now you see why I always go on about a winter bike 😁 The T100 is a very special bike that can do everything if you want it to but its party piece is the feeling it gives you 😁 There are better bikes for the winter and shitty days but, whilst still fun, they are only to do a job 😁 Least that’s what I think 😁 Thanks IT 😁
Totally agree.
I am sure that Frank the giraffe arranged and insisted for you to test the 450 mt too, one of the hottest new bikes in the small adv class, together with the Himy 450
I am sure he did too 😂😂😂 thanks Stefan 😁
That's fantastic 😮, what a brilliant bike for the money.
Thanks AW 😁
These Chinese made bikes seem to be coming on inleaps and bounds wonder if the major manufacturers are starting to go look over their shoulders
They are if they have any sense 😁 still got a way to go and need time to prove themselves 😁 thanks Tim 😁
Morning TAYM, I've been waiting for this, (thanks for the mention last week btw), as I suspect that the 450MT will be a real competitor for the 450 Himalayan - definitely food for thought. I'd like to think that the Chinese have turned a corner now. I've booked a test on the 450MT, so we'll see! Cheers anyway, really interesting. 👍
Interesting 😁 I wouldn’t mind trying the 450 myself 😁 thanks Martin 😁
As a past owner of 2012 cfmoto 650 (versys style engine ) naked at the time.. the only issue I had was poor quality bolts n plastic ....I moved to a 2018 versys 650 to have a more comfortable and wind protection... it wasn't really that much better quality but what latest cf motos are like is defo much better made.......and like enfields amazing value....
Very interesting 🤔 thanks D 😁
2nd dam you RR 😉😝😂 morning TAYM those CFMoto’s are making some really nice looking bikes👍🏻 carry on that man Caio for now tat ta 👍🏻
😂😂😂 thanks Hobnob 😁😂😂
Morning Taym I do think they use the Kawasaki 650 engine a nice tail tidy would make the backend look better well worth the £3999 👍🏍️
Thanks Derek 😁hope you had a good day today 😁
@@TAYM good morning Taym I think everyone enjoyed it yesterday weather was a bit of everything wet sunny windy but most enjoyable day I done 530 miles round trip 👍🏍️
@@SOLOMOTOUK yes, definitely couldn’t have done it on the 8R only had about 400 miles before first service 🤔 glad you had a good time 😁
If that looks like a "Bug" , How about the Honda "Hornet" 😂
We have 450MT Demo bikes starting. to appear in the shops locally , Looking forward to having a squirt on one.👍
Cheers TAYM 😊
😂😂😂 yes, looking forward to trying one 😁 thanks LTB 😁
more of your new bike please:-)
Coming up 😁 thanks Chris 😁
Put some bags on that and it will take you anywhere, simple bike without all the tech bullshit that modern bikers cant leave home without. Massive value as well.
Thanks Mike 😁 yes, very good value 😁
I wouldn't be surprised if they start making some pretty good retro bikes, where reviewers go 'Chinese rubbish' and the public goes: looks awesome, rides awesome and I can afford it!
I think you might be right 😁 thanks L😁
Here in the US the local CFMoto dealer is advertising the 650 ADVentura with luggage for $3999 US. I wonder if they’re phasing out the models that use the Kawasaki-derived engine. Seems a lot of the 650’s are selling at bargain prices. I’ve tried to avoid going to the shop to look at it-I don’t need any more.bikes!
Thanks AD 😁 yes, they are doing the same here😁 I think they may well be fazzing them out but that just means you get a good deal on a tested bike 😁
I imagine it's a bit like when the Japanese first started making motorcycles and the consumers of British bikes thought they were ridiculous and wouldn't ever be as good. I've not ridden a Chinese motorcycle and maybe I should, but I buy motorcycles because they are my passion and cost isn't my primary concern. It would be interesting to read opinions of people who've owned Chinese bikes for a while as people who own them on Reddit seem to think they don't last. Thanks for doing the investigative journalism, TAYM!
Thanks Rev 😁 yes, a very important point 😁
I owned a new Skygo Earl Classic in 2022; assembled in Cebu, Philippines, made in China by Lifan. Lifan make over a million engines a year for their own bikes and for other OEM's. It was a perfectly good 150 cc bike, great for the horrible local traffic conditions, completely reliable and cost me about 620GPB, ride away.
@@chrisweeks6973 incredible 😁
I think it’s great that you can get bikes this cheap especially if you are on a tight budget, the longevity of the parts , well time will tell I guess and I watched bingley wheeler video on his adventure style bike and he was loving it , let’s hope the reliability is good too . But as you said the Chinese are coming
Thanks GCK 😁
Cheep as noodles 😄 one of the big problems for European bikes a is the astronomical price tags
Yes, they need to buck their ideas up 😁 thanks HF😁
Have to credit Chinese manufacturers.Nice little bike, cheap as chips all other manufacturers are doomed they can't compete with labour and energy costs. We sell China plenty of cheap coal to keep energy cost down, we dont like burning it ourselves apparently, ironic really. Oz roads are loaded with affordable Chinese made cars bikes r sure to follow. Thanks TAYM.
They're probably the best Chinese brand but resale value be bugger all at moment & next few years but could change when word gets out about there reliablility.Vinnie sells them & likes them & said the 700CL & 700CL-X use the KTM engine as they build the KTM 690 engine under license.
The 700CL-X ADV comes fully loaded too & thousands cheaper than other ADV bikes.
People harp on about KTM 690-790 same motor.Vinnie reckons the CF Moto CL 700 & CL-X is a great bike especially for the money.
Chinese manufacturing will go the same way as Japan and Korea did RR. Start cheap, get established with good product and away we go...wonder why Koreans didn't make motorcycles?
@@daintree2455what about Kimco ( and the models they build for BMW ) ... and Hyosung ( and The SV650 etc that they built for Suzi )?
@@ruahinesriderI own a Suzuki V Strom. 250 parallel twin built in China, just as reliable & well built as any other Suzuki I owned . A lot of the big name motorcycle manufacturers ,source components , engines & even have full motorcycles built in China . Company’s like Honda , Yamaha , Suzuki , BMW & others . The Chinese have the latest tech & resources to build to any quality & price point the customer or partner company requires .
@@maskedavenger2578 The Big Brands wouldn't let them build their bikes under license if they not up to scratch.
Probably not for me I don’t especially like the looks of the modern styling! But still I’d sooner have it than that blue Suzuki in the background, who buy that? 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂 thanks David 😂😂
How much TAYM ?😂great bike for the money who new that Royal Enfield would have competition on the pricing front they should bring out a classic styley at that price it would sell well . Nice one TAYM just think of how many pennies you would have saved buying one of these over the Suzuki gsx 8 😉or is that a step to far ? 👌👍
😂😂😂😂 yes, half the price but not quite half the bike 😁 thanks Crumb 😁
Well I think that has to be the bargain of the summer, do it all bike for 4 grand and from what I have seen n heard of CF moto they are very competent at producing a decent quality product I mean ask KTM .
Thanks Kev 😁
I think CF Moto is the Chinese brand to watch, they are coming out with some nice bikes now. It has to be remembered that the 650 you rode is one of their older models and the newer stuff has improved even further just like Royal Enfield have improved on their newer models over the original Interceptor. I guess the question is do you not buy Chinese because of principles but then beggars can't be choosers and for a lot of people this will give them access to a brand new bike with a waranty for a relatively small amount of money.
Thanks Mike 😁 yes, for those that can’t afford principles it is a good option to buying used bikes 😁 and very good for youngsters with little money 😁
@@TAYM Yes it is sometimes easy to forget that principles are a luxury that many cannot afford and anything that makes motorbikes more accessible is good in my books.
@@Grumpy-Goblin absolutely 😁
Did you have a stroke at the beginning of the video?
😂😂😂 I think I did 😂😂😂
Not for me TAYM as you know I like my classic bikes & my newest one is 25 years old, I wonder about the longevity of these machines & of bikes in general with fuel injection systems ECU's & god knows what else electronic gadgetry being practical in long term ownership ? Having said all of that I think these Chinese bikes are the same type of threat as the Japanese bikes were to the British motorcycle industry ! Watch out all you other manufacturers the Chinese are coming for you !
The Gerry 😁 that’s what I thought too 😁
ha. had to pause the vid - when I came back, the video was at 10:54 and there in the left mirror was your face revealed. you should wear a mask like the Lone Ranger (American cowboy character) to maintain your anonymity.
😂😂😂😂 I’d prefer to be tonto 😁 loved that as a kid 😁 thanks Iggy 😁
The Japanese and other manus including RE need to check their mirrors as the chinese are coming. The more that are bought the more dealers will pop up. Bingley W just bought one. Cable speedo a joy to me easy fix. Bikes with no electronic gizmos are great news. There are many European vloggers raving about Italian/chinese bikes and some with 30k miles on. As a personal buy I’d be scared due to back up/ parts and dealers. Most bikers in uk a leisure motorcyclists and i have in the last gone in the garage and looked at my bikes when I had more than one and thought that’s 10k sat there being used occasionally and sold. I’ve always kept my cheaper bikes. People bought Skodas/ kia/ hyundai on price as they have a need. These brands are getting g a lot of social media publication. Beware others. Oh and the 4 yr warranty
Thanks Volt 😁
The Chinese are not coming, they are already here. Cfmoto is value for money brand. Others will soon have to take note.
Thanks Trev😁 they will 😁
Just looked at the price if a Yamaha R125 - £5300!
It makes you think 🤔 thanks Loki 😁
Who's Marmite Dave?
Is that cause you either love him or hate him? (Mostly only Brits will get this!) 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂 brilliant 😂😂 thanks Richie 😁
Never say never..... but I'll never own a chinese motorcycle.
😂😂😂 thanks Ted 😁
In Spain, the Suzuki GSX-8S is on a €1500 discount promotion of €7,399 (approx £6295) until 31st July. Very tempting.
That is very tempting 😁 thanks PJA😁
Only £2295.00 more than the tested CF...................
just wait till you wont to p/x it,less than half the price,when not even a year old,thats if the dealers want it.
Yes, that will be interesting 🤔 thanks Richard😁
Why buy a bike from a country we are at war with? It's mainly cyber warfare at the moment, but it is building.
Take a screwdriver to your household appliances, or car you will find plenty of Chinese parts😂
@@marksimpson5218 absolutely, we all know that as we all know we have no choice there, but buying overtly Chinese products is another matter.
@@andrewhayes4246 Totally agree Andrew. This argument that we all have Chinese products and components already is an empty one ... we DO still have a choice with where our motorcycles manufacturer hails from and choosing to buy from a totalitarian regime that is actively undermining our society is a choice I will never make as long as I have an alternative ....It's about having principles.
What country are you that's at war with the Chinese!!?
And who exactly is pushing for this war? Not China that's for certain.
I'm very tempted get a cf moto due to the 4 year unlimited mileage warranty, yamaha and honda only give you 2 years..
I’ve never been bothered about warranty on Japanese bikes. I’ve never had a problem with one in 40+ years of motorcycling. Hopefully, the cf Moto bikes will prove reliable.
They are a very interesting alternative 😁 thanks T3😁
That’s the million dollar question 😁 thanks Mark 😁
Cheap cheap cheap. That's all we hear .
Purchase price is only part of the overall running cost .
Chop Fooey Motos for cheap foo'ng motorcyclists .
I won't put Chinese bearings in any motorcycle I own . I've had too many failures in the past .
Chinese made KTM and BMW engines are getting a reputation for poor quality .
So sorry I can't jump on the "fan boy " bandwagon for Chinese junks and send my hard earned money to bolster the Chinese economy .
Thanks DS 😁 it’s a difficult one isn’t it🤔 I can’t stop thinking of all those socket sets and spanner’s I bought from exchange and mart in the 70’s 🤔 you know the ones that bent or rounded off 🤔😂😂😂 let’s hope they are better now😁 I have noticed there were a few MTs had to have new side stands because they bend🤔😂😂
Gsx8 ?
Thats what I thought it looks similar to as well.
Yes, hiding in the background 😂😂 thanks Tim 😁
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Noooooooo. A second hand Japanese bike has still got to be better than a brand new Chinese one surely. But they do good food don't you think 🤭. I hope that's not racialist. Don't want to get banned 👍
😂😂😂😂 thanks Trev 😂😁
How much?😅 👍
😂😂😂 thanks Hey😁
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Thanks Paul 😁
The people who buy&ride this have no clue about motorbike . tastes as junk foods. I was waiting you mention some bad points too😂
😂😂😂😂 thanks Motor😁
At least it's not a scooter 👎👎. Husqvana please 👍👍. 😁😁
😂😂😂😂 thanks GBD 😁
Like a lot of modern motorcycles it’s grotesque with the appearance of a mechanical insect . Another result of allowing IT & gamer nerds to run amok in motorcycle design departments . For the same money they could have made a bike that looks a lot more like a proper motorcycle.
That is very true 😁 thanks MA 😁
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😂😂 thanks RR 😁