Picking my Mt up on Monday, there selling like hotcakes here in Australia. Ordered mine 8 days after going on sale and the dealer had orders for over 30 off them . Not bad for a small town .
@@TheSar Did you get the high fender or low fender version? I'm interested in the 450MT but here in Malaysia there aren't many offroad trails so I'd rather have it for touring.
@@runeluqman I've got the standard low fender. Works well for both on and off road. You do get a bit of mud spray on the radiator so a fender extender could certainly help.
When I went out to buy a new motorcycle I ended up buying a KTM 890 2022 for 2 reasons: it was a clearance because the 2023 model was coming in and I got an amazing price for the money I paid. As you said, a lot of bike for my buck. When I was considering buying the motorcycle, one of the first tests I did was with the 800 Mt or ibex 800. Loved the value for money. Unfortunately I decided to not go ahead with the CFMoto because it was a bit raw and unrefined. 1.5 years later, CFMoto launched 2 new ibex 800 versions, worked on the quality and refinement and added new features like android auto and car play... In my opinion it should at least qualify for a test ride to ensure that this is something that you do not want. I think CFMoto is going to give hell to all manufacturers due to their pricing point, options and incoming quality. Long story short: yes, I would consider buying a CFMoto. For the 5 year warranty offered in Romania and the price I pay, I would take one, use it like crazy for 5 years and they just send it to the recycling bin and get a new one.
I did buy one. I picked up a 2022 650 adventura new in October for $4500 out the door. It has far exceeded my expectations so far. I have only put 1200 miles on it so far..
Just put a deposit down on the CFMoto 450MT [Ibex] and expecting to have the bike by the end of next week. I have several CFMoto motorcycle dealers not that far from home in Sydney (Australia) and CFMoto already has an OK dealer network generally when it comes to the farming related equipment space but not all of these currently have motorcycle capability. It may just be a matter of time that a number of these exiting outlets incorporate motorcycle sale/servicing as a part of or extension of the existing business. I was looking for a smaller adventure bike and the price of the 450MT and feedback from new owners and reviewers is and has been fantastic. The biggest gripes from folks seem to be delays in availably of genuine accessories and no cruise control and a twitchy throttle - apparently, well I heard but have not verified, CFMoto has released a software update in NZ to address this.
Good review as usual. I have been looking at the 800MT Explorer, I think what you call Ibex explorer in the US. So I was interested to watch this, even though not adventure bikes. It comes across how different setups and warranty can be in different countries. Only 2 years warranty, here in Mexico, it is only 1 year warranty, but if I understand it correctly, it is unlimed km. The bikes you have tested have 3 years warranty in Sweden, however if you go for any of the 700 or 800 adventure bikes from 2024 model, you get a whole whooping 5 years of warranty. Not bad. But then, the explorer model in many countries include panniers, in Sweden you have to pay extra for them. Keep up the good work. Cheers from Swede in Mexico
I was really considering a CFMoto, but two of my friends have had their CF’s in the shop for over 5 months now. (One needing an engine swap) Just a bad taste, I’m gonna pass.
If you debadged either of these bikes or stuck, say a Suzuki or Kawasaki badge on them at that price point, people would snap them up. There are only 2 reasons not to buy one. 1. Relatively untested reliability and poor dealer network. But are either worse than, say KTM? (They use KTM derived engines) 2. You don't want to buy Chinese. Which is valid because I have concerns about China's labor, human rights, politics etc. But a lot of what we buy is made in China, so is this any different?
Love this review! Do you think the 450NK is too much for a beginner bike and better to spend a year on a 300NK or C300r? Love your content and keep up the great work!
It will be interesting to see how the CFMoto bikes fair in the marketplace. We are starting to see an onslaught of Chinese bikes and so far KOVE and CFMoto seem to stand out. I checked out the IBEX 800 at a local dealer and it was pretty decent looking and felt normal sitting on it. But... I'm not sure I'd be interested in buying one. I do believe they will push the Japanese to start offering more features on their bikes, CC, tubeless wheels, etc that are coming standard on the CFMotos. IMO the Japanese have been very slow to add features people want and aren't that hard to add and from my personal buying I bought a Tuareg over a T7 primarily due to the feature set of the Tuareg and I don't regret my purchase decision one bit. But I am not their core target buyer so ??? I think you're right about the 270 cranks vs the old school 180 cranks, nobody likes 180 crank engines and some of the Japanese engines seem cast in cement on that and I don't get why, it's not hard to change but may require a new EPA cert which might be the core reason they haven't changed. I'll be looking forward to your IBEX 450 & IBEX 800 reviews.
Ive owned cfmoto both atv and now an ibex motorcycle. They are good brand. I definitely consider them. They give you a lot for the price and ive not had any problems with them yet. They got great styling, maybe lack some refinement but they get better every year.
Great job as always. Thank you. Been riding since the 1980s, and all I have to say is... CFMOTO rules! Glad they will now be in place for my young daughter and her generation to enjoy. Change is both good and inevitable. Happy trails.
I’m impressed with the reviews for their honest opinions expressed. Having said that ,I am not currently in the market for a new machine. I have a 2019 BMWF750GS and am totally satisfied with its performance and capabilities. At 34,000 miles it’s stone reliable. Thanks for your continuing testing of new bikes.
In Indonesia, we had a trauma on China brand/made motorcycle/moped that basically a copy of Japanese popular moped at early 2000's, they affordable, but with non-existent after sales service, although many parts can be substituted to with the OEM parts. So many motorcycles breaking down due to quality issues, people who already on thight budget, hence buying the cheapest brand new motorcycle at that time, didn't bother to repair their motorcycle. A lot of local entrepeneurs who brings these China made/copy of Japanese motorcyle only interested to make a quick bucks, before pivoting to other area after cheap unreliable motorcycle craze are over. So many Indonesians still taking offence on China made motorcyle, a little bit different avenue in automobile though, at present time, some China automobile brand already had a good presence here, by expanding dealership/maintenance network, building assembly lines and network of component supplier etc. My self had a copy of Honda Rebel 250, from QJ Motor, slapped the Benelli brand on it by the local entrepeneurs who had authorized dealership of Benelli and Keeway from China.
Great review as always your Chanel is very good.the replacement for my 4 year old Honda cb500x is probably going to be cf moto 700 mt but will look at the 450 and the 800 I do limited of road light gravel which is unavoidable in Australia a road only bike would be no good over here in my opinion. When my Honda moves about on gravel it’s ok standing but on the road bike it would be scary. I like wind protection away.
I just purchased the 450MT here in Australia, and so far it’s very impressive especially what you get for the price. It’s got good build quality and I think people need to change their stigma regarding Chinese products, because most stuff we own is from there. And with KTM having a joint venture with them could only mean they’re doing something right 👍🏻
Yes based on CFMoto's excellent 4 wheeler ATV's (I know about 12 people that own them) and they made KTM motors for years. I think KTM partly owns them now. The 800 looks cool, crisp, and very snug and well put together. The dash, colors and front look with the lights. My Honda Transalp has a good functioning quick shifter, my 1st but I prefer using the clutch.
I have a 300nk and it's awesome.. it's a perfect beginner bike and very good on gas..i get 80mpg both city and highway..did i mention its priced very generously at 4,199 brand new..great ergonomic, standand ABS and a very good TFT display better than most bikes... I'm sure in the newr future we will get aftermarket support but just stock its a no brainer buy any cf moto bike!
I have a CFMoto SxS (my beloved doesn’t do two wheels but likes some adventure) and it works flawlessly. In fact, one mountain climb had Polaris rigs overheating and mine stayed as cool as a cucumber 🙂
I feel like I would rather get the Kawasaki z500 ABS and the Suzuki GSX-8S over either of these. Both are incredible value for what you're getting and you can actually resell them for a decent price. I was shocked when I saw all the equipment on the Suzuki GSX-8S and how nice it was in person at the price it was being sold at. I almost bought one until I found an ADV I preferred. I am not in any way saying these are bad bikes. I think they look fantastic. It's just those two I mentioned stood out to me. I had a z400 and I regret ever selling the thing. It was very reliable and fun to ride.
Yes. Yes i am planning on buying the Ibex450. I wonder if its going to be slightly different for us. As we can tune it higher HP. Also lm thinking like the KTM490Avdenture we had fully adjustable suspension from day 1. Other countries had to wait a couple years. So makes me wonder. Otherwise why change the name? What to match the Ibex 800 name? Could be. Only time will tell. I dont need to go fast, is i ride a DRZ400 everywhere. So looking for something to replace the KTM490 Adventure they killed. The Ibex is way cheaper. Its actually cheaper than a new DRZ400. Which my friend just bought a new hold over from last year. A 2023 DRZ400SM. He paid way more than i will for the Ibex 450. I dont need fancy stuff. But tubeless spoked wheels will be nice to have. Although in 40 years if riding, i have had maybe 7 flat tires. Keep doing what you do. Cant wait to see your thoughts on the Ibex450...aka 450MT
I would totally buy a Cfmoto. Not concerned about the Chinese connection, as I am typing this on an iPhone, sitting on a couch made in China, wearing clothes made in China. Would it be nice if all of these things were made in the U.S.? Sure, but then I couldn’t afford any of them.
Ian they are well priced and well specked compared to say Kawasaki who do not release new models, only slightly upgrade their current line. So yeh, I'll give them a go.
The reason why I (so far) have bought japanese, is because the reliability ive personally have had with them. Itll take a while for the Chinese to build up to that.
The main problem with CFMOTO is they have pathetic development for their high but unrealised potential TFT command centers. The bikes are high quality, and can be priced well below retail, but just fall short where they could surpass the competition.
the dealer network is a big deal to me. i'm thinking about getting a papio to carry on my tahoe with a hitch carrier, but it's a bit of a drive to their motorcycle dealers. if i wanted an ATV or SxS, I would have enough dealer support near my home and the areas i frequent to not be as much of a concern, but the closest motorcycle dealers are both about an hour and forty-five minutes from me. not a huge deal, but enough to be annoying.
…over the pond here in the uk, they’re selling faster than they can import them. For the money you pay for them (slight advantage for us uk buyers) as the import costs to the US are higher, and that the luggage is an option (being Givi sourced) they’re hard to be too negative about. I’ve just spent £22k on an ATAS, is it 4 times the bike of this in the real world…
I love your videos, and I get your point about emerging brands and saving money. However, China implies slave labour and govern subsidies to undercut and undermine Europe's and America's manufacturing sector. So we are all paying those supposed saving with our jobs and security. Best, Dan
Yep. There are so many cheap Chinese products sold on eBay that ship directly from China. I've heard the Chinese government subsides the shipping cost, which explains why the Chinese seller can ship it all the way to the US for free!
It’s been this way for a long long time. Even if you buy from an ‘American’ company, if they are working with a Chinese company to produce the product, your money is still going to china. Just through an American proxy
You should encourage people to buy from the the real known and worthy manufacturers. What you and others doing by that it’s to make the real manufacturers cutting edge to be attractive. Cfmoto, qjmotors etc…fuck that
It’s almost like you’re trying to compare foreign owned automobile manufacturers that have a history to Motorcycle manufacturers? Where are the motorcycles assembled compared to automobiles from Hyundai, Kia, etc. Not the same, especially considering automobiles vs motorcycles on the road in the U.S and CFMoto lack of history. Short Term Dealer network doesn’t matter I think many would never buy a Chinese company motorcycle as they’re copies. We all see this in other consumer spaces. What North Korean manufacturer are we importing/buying transportation products from?
Everything has a piece of China in it! I remember my grandparents not buying Japanese cars and reminding my other family members about the war when they got a Toyota.
I came across 4 guys out in the country the other day riding some back dirt roads, (I've got a Transalp and am in Australia) , 2 of them had Tuaregs and 2 of then had 450MT's. Very positive reviews of the MT's and no trouble keeping up with the Tuareg's anywhere.
I bought a CFMoto 450MT about 3 weeks ago in Australia for a capable off-road ADV. It has been absolutley fantastic. Make my 1050XT V-Strom feel like the Titanic!
To answer the question - it's a little frustrating there aren't many or great choices for small Adv bikes. CF Moto's 450MT is almost like a unicorn in terms of the segment it's in. As far as a small twin goes it's the Honda 500x for about your only other choice? - but you have to put a shit ton of extra money into it to make it truly off road worthy (spoked wheels, better suspension, protection etc). If the MT has all that I would have to consider it (just l considered the Himalayan bought it and I love it so far although it needs just a little more power and perhaps another gear). I just added a RE Himalayan 411 to my quiver and it's great along with some of the other small single ADV bikes (KTM 390 etc). I'm changing out my big ADV bikes for smaller bikes because small is more fun off-road - just like mentioned riding a slow bike fast really is more fun - we don't need 150hp and 20+ k motorcycles to have fun IMO. The downside of the singles are on road so it would be so nice to have a parallel twin like the 450 MT. (I consider a parallel twin a different segment than a one cylinder thumper even if the displacement is roughly the same just my 2 cents) 36:03
@@ianmoone6562 Yes I don't disagree with you, I'll always have a big bike as well for long distance road touring. I'm searching for the right BDR bike for when you're 90% off road and you're too old to lift a 600lb (or more loaded) bike more than once a day! I currently still have an AT and a KTM1190 (trying to decide which one to sell because I don't need both even though I love them both - on road!)
It depends a lot on what kind of off pavement stuff you want to do, but my 2022 Honda CB500x with a Rally Raid level 1 rear shock and their skidplate (plus SW Mototech crash guards, barkbusters, etc) gets the job done on pretty much any two lane dirt road as well as on less technical single tracks. I've banged the RR skidplate a bunch of times - it takes a beating! So, although ground clearance isn't great, if you pick good lines and slow down in the nasty stuff it's very capable. At 440 lbs wet, it's not light but it carries its weight pretty low so it's pretty easy to pick up too. I really love the CB500X as an all-rounder, but unfortunately as a tall rider it's a little cramped so it won't be my forever bike. If you are 6' tall or less, weigh less than 200 lbs, then it's a fantastic bike. Don't knock it until you try one!
CFMOTO released an updated 2024 800NK with traction control, updated abs, IMU sensors and antiwheelie. It's been out in China since around April, just waiting for it to be launched in other parts of the world.
Its an extremly hot topic in Russia, since we are sanctioned and chinese cars are all over us. I never, like never though i would buy a chinese car myself, I had mostly german ones (last one was Audi a5 coupe 2.0 turbo. After half a year time trying to find a good replacement we finally start to look at chinese cars, and they are not that impressive. But some one suggested me to try Geely Monjaro. We come to a dealer for a test ride and while waiting for manager my wife just sits inside the car for a bit. She comes out and sais - its a good car, you woldnt believe it. I am like - wait, what? I sit inside and its a good car. Like really a decent car, again, I had 6 y/o kinda sporty german coupe before that, i have some standarts. So we take it for a ride and she rides like a good european car, like a volvo i would say. In a week we just buy one. 15k km already, rode across country, its a good car i cant really critisize. One thing that is really luckluster is a climate control - no idea why it is tuned so badly, otherwise its just a great car and i would suggest anyone to try it out. So this is the answer - people who think chinese cars or motos are trash have probably no relevant expereinece. In 10 years we will all consider them a 100 percent valid option.
People are Hippocrates they won’t buy a Chinese bike but will buy anything else from China. Hell the bike they ride has parts from China. It’s all political. Either don’t buy anything Chinese or be quiet. Cf moto has been in the US for years with their atv and side by sides. They aren’t going anywhere. In fact they are opening a factory in Mexico. You know the same place Honda makes the xr150 etc. but people won’t say anything because it says Honda on it
I would not consider a cfmoto bike. I’ve been riding Japanese bikes for decades, mostly Honda, I’ve never been left stranded by any of them. So why would I switch brands ? Isn’t it cfmoto that built the engines for the KTM models with major mechanical problems ?
You know what’s strange about that though, the motors CFMoto is building for ktm have cam problems, but the CFMoto model using the same engine doesn’t have the cam problem 🤔
Not interested at this point in CFMOTO. Parts availability through normal channels... with diagrams and availability. Quality may be good -- but not proven enough to risk (for me). I do shrink away from supporting the CCP government as well. For reference-- I didn't buy a Hyundai back in the day -- but wouldn't rule one out now. Ask again in 30 or 40 years when CFMOTO has some experience under their belt 😉
I'm gonna wait for reviews from actual BUYERS and see what problems they run into...then buy used...I'm in no rush. Some Brits already have them and lets see what they say..
I AM actually considering the CFMoto 450 MT (Ibex) here in the states. Been looking for something with adjustable suspension, tubeless tires, TFT, moderate seat height, moderate weight and a parallel twin for years and I have seen that many others have been looking for that as well. But, unfortunately, the main manufacturers continue to build bigger and heavier bikes, neglecting this segment. I don't need a 70+ BHP motorbike for touring and off road riding. 450-500cc is just right for me; I don't feel the need to get a higher displacement bike. As the saying goes, "I'd rather ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow". CFMoto is the first manufacturer to build the exact bike that I have been looking for. Am I disappointed that its a Chinese manufacturer, I'd say yes, but everything I've seen from CFMoto recently is better quality and has a good price point (I'm sure their pricing will go up after wider adoption). I am super close to putting the money down for the 450 MT as it checks all the boxes and looks good to boot. I know its a first year build, and its Chinese, but I will happily be a guinea pig on that bike, and I may pay for it in time, stress and money. That is a price I'm willing to pay to make the main Japanese manufacturers realize that they are completely ignoring this segment of the ADV world and they will lose money because of it. Great review btw, as usual!
You may not pay the price. They have a killer warranty. I have a 5 year warranty on my side by side and they literally ask 0 questions. If something breaks you drop it off and they fix it. Oil pump failed on mine. Wiped the bearings. Locked up at 40 mph. I called the next morning, they said bring it by. 3 weeks later they called back and said they replaced the engine and the starter because it got weak from me trying to start the engine whilst being locked up. Cost me $0. Didn’t ask how I was riding it or anything. Never tried to place fault on me. I’ll take that all day long
The 450 twin really really literally sounds great. If only the other brands offeted twins like that. The Honda 500x Id consider..Reliability is of the upmost importantance to me.
My thoughts too. BUT find out the price to do the service maintanrce for valve checks & resets, On Kawasaki Versa 350 X they charge $1500+ for this dealership work. SCREW THAT BS, - a good out the door price for the bike is about $ 4500 - $ 5500. Passed on that “Jap” bike…So check on this CFMoto 450 Adv model FIRST !!!
I tried the 450MT and I have to say that it's a bit slow, feels more like 30ish horsepower when you ride it. Never had the chance to spin it all the way or anything, but my general impression was that it's quite a bit slower than 450nk or 450ss. Maybe that was a conscious decision seeing how it's more of an off-road bike
I went into a dealership with the intention of buying a '24 GSX-S1000. Rode out with a 800NK for $5k USD + tax/tags vs $9.9k for the suzuki + tax/tags. The price for the Suzuki had a pretty good discount but compared to the CFMOTO, was that really 100% more bike? Nope. I didn't need 150HP and don't really need 100 HP either. I bought it to thrash around and not worry about it. At that price point it's a hell of a value and not really even worried about resale....the most I can lose is $5k lol.
Look at the price for a ktm 790 adventure and a cf moto 800. At least $1000 difference. And they are essentially the same bike except one says Ktm. I just purchased a 650 adventura for $3400. If it turns out to be a pos I’ll be the first to admit it. But I think for a commuter it will be perfect
As attractive as the specs and price are the fact that CF Moto is a contract manufacturer for KTM and KTM seems to be the most unreliable major European manufacture. it doesn’t excite me as a brand I would consider purchasing. Also, if Trump wins the presidency tariffs on Chinese goods are going to be through the roof and will probably eliminate the value proposition of this brand.
CFMoto and other specialty bikes suffer from Tesla effect. Technically excellent products, but inadequate dealers, parts, and accessories. Resale not good. Japanese bikes complete opposite and reliable.
Nope...what!? I am not supporting a model in which folks get paid peanuts while the com petitors(most) pay their labor a wage that is at least something approaching repectful.
Matter of fact...I'm going to stop watching...4:53 in...nahh...not interestsd...not one bit...nor in a Ural....or anything out of North Korea, or Iran...hmmm...who else?
Can’t explain it but they just look good. I am in the camp of all the MT-xx and KTM bikes are kinda ugly. Something about them I just hate. They are good bikes I’m sure and I have been seeing them EVERYWHERE in Colorado. These cfmoto bikes look significantly better to me. We all know looks is the most important thing :)
I bought the Ibex 800T. Which you didn't like. New software fixed the fueling issue. You need to revist that bike. If the new 450 was here I would have bought one.
I wouldn't mind buying one due to the price. But I love my Japanese bikes. I've never had any problem with Honda's, Yamaha's, and now Kawaski. Maybe 5 or so years down the road but as of now, I'll have to pass.
I'm sure given the price point there will be a fair amount of adoption. Now the question of reliability is yet to be seen, and the resale market is completely unknown. I'll stick to other brands for the foreseeable future.
The engine is not what worries me cuz usually its a carbon copy of a major brand that is reliable, but the rest... type of screws, quality of metal, electronics, rubber , vym8l, brake lines etc etc
@@aussiesam01 the cam issue was resolved AWHILE ago, there are whole new top ends, internal components, even the bikes that were affected are using the new parts.
Cf moto didn’t seem to have the cam issue. They make their bikes with less horsepower. Honestly I think ktm should let cf moto make the adventure bikes up to 890 and ktm make the larger displacement ones. They are the same bike competing with one another
I am in EU...30 years riding, 20 years JPN bikes no problems. (They just stayed behind EU bradnds) For the last 10 years, EU brands have a lot of expanses and problems priced high but also produced in far East ...china, malezia , Thailand ect. Nov seriously looking at CF moto, Kove, QJ... all coming with 5year unlimited waranty decend equipment and good prices. Quality exceeds expectations. Looking forward to new models.
As of now, I would buy a Japanese bike. The price difference does not warrant the reliability risk associated with using something relatively new over companies that have proven their commitment to quality. As more people buy these and the years of use they too may establish that reputation, just as you alluded to with Hyundai and the stages of growth.
Exactly!! I think as a commuter bike they would serve the purpose beautifully. The 800 is the same engine as the ktm. Pretty much the same bike period.
I have no problem with CF Moto products. I don't understand why they aren't cheaper, though. They need to be significantly cheaper than the Japanese offerings.
The 450 MT (the Adventure model) is selling like hot cakes in Australia. Rode one yesterday straight after test riding a Tenere. Pound for pound it is a far better bike end of story. The engine is 4 years old and well proven. Time will tell regarding reliability of the whole package but the reviews are very positive.
Great job Ian. I was considering CFMoto up here in Eastern Canada. (They've been around here for years in the ATV market) However, in recent years, the prices have crept up. I looked at the Ibex 800 touring but it was almost a $1000 more than the bike I went with. The vstrom 800de. And congrats on 250k subs 🍻
My daughter in law is riding a cf moto 450 sr s. It‘s a great bike. Build quality is awsome. Imo great bang for the Buck. I would definitly consider a cf moto. 800 nk sounds great, or the 700 cl x.
No wouldn't own one. But let see how todays Cfmotos are like in 10 years. Resale, reliability, dealer networks, parts availability, service intervals, fuel consumption, centre stands, accessories , etc. I'll let other riders work that one out. I was keen on the Cfmoto Mt450 ibex but grabbed a Honda cb500x instead. When you're paying cash and looking at either bike, I just couldn't buy the Cfmoto When I sat on the Honda it became mine.
Yes, esp. the 450MT Ibex Adventure Bike, but ONLY after pricing dealer service price for inspecting / adjusting engine valves. If crazy BS over-priced like Kawasaki Versys 300x then 2022 - 2024 KTM 390 adventure MC gets the nod. Want Adv bike under 400 lbs curb-wet weight including engine / fairing guards & rear rack for soft luggage.
Yeah but msrp and real world prices are vastly different. I just picked up a cf moto 300 nk for 2 grand plus dealer fees and destination fee for a total of 3250 shop around they have big deals
Other manufacturer probably would not worry too much, since President Trump will impose a 100% tariff on Chinese imports, including all CFMOTO products. Considering the post-tax prices (if such MIC products can still exist by then), other legitimate manufacturers will not be harmed.
8:08 The LED Headlight for the 800NK reminds me of the Dilophosaurus from Jurassic Park. It also reminds me of those mini robots in the movie series Transformers
As a '23 Svartpilen owner, the swing arm mounted setup is sadly always a poor choice for unsprung weight. Cool styling, but I bet 800NK owner will fiddle and remove it.
The CFs are not priced low enough to really compete with the Kawa or Suzuki. Why buy into the unknown when known quality is almost the same price? I have no doubts that the CFs are good machines, it's just the pricing in both the US and the UK where I'm from. The factory gate prices will be VERY low.
Well I’ll never buy a bike thinking I’m going to sell it, but resale value would definitely have to be at the top of the list. I have two dealers of CF Moto within 30 miles of me so that doesn’t worry me. I like the 270° crank, but Honda fit and finish and reliability and resale value are all very hard to beat, I know it may be a little bit more boring than The CF Moto, but the older I get the more fun I can have with smaller bikes and not going as fast
Yes I would an actually I am looking at the 800 NK. I have a CF Moto U Force and love it. I have a good dealer and the build quality on the NK is top of the line. I have had Hondas , Kawasaki and Harley. So I feel as if I have a good grasp on what I want and can get for the dollars I am spending
The fact that 450mt costs as much as 450nk only shows that prices of ADV bikes are rigged and this is the reason we couldn't get anything like 450mt sooner. The difference in bill of materials is max $500 between naked and adv bike.
Contradictory info.. I was told that cfmoto borrows parts from ktm which is why I bought cfmoto.. Big mistake.. Unreliable and terrible service I had to sell it under 10 months and took a big hit and then bought a ktm instead..
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yes i would. the 800nk advanced looks like a solid package.
The Z400 is about a 5199.00 Why would I pay more for a Chinese bike when I can get a Japanese for less money? Kawasaki reliability.
Never. China is a Communist dictatorship
If cfmoto had the e exact bike that I was looking for, I would probably buy it
Dude, hundreds of people (including me) wait for your review to pull the trigger on the 450mt. Thats my answer to your question.
Picking my Mt up on Monday, there selling like hotcakes here in Australia.
Ordered mine 8 days after going on sale and the dealer had orders for over 30 off them .
Not bad for a small town .
it is more like thousands
Got my 450MT about 3 weeks ago in Australia.
Just get one - you won't be sorry. Great little thing.
@@TheSar Did you get the high fender or low fender version? I'm interested in the 450MT but here in Malaysia there aren't many offroad trails so I'd rather have it for touring.
@@runeluqman I've got the standard low fender.
Works well for both on and off road.
You do get a bit of mud spray on the radiator so a fender extender could certainly help.
When I went out to buy a new motorcycle I ended up buying a KTM 890 2022 for 2 reasons: it was a clearance because the 2023 model was coming in and I got an amazing price for the money I paid. As you said, a lot of bike for my buck.
When I was considering buying the motorcycle, one of the first tests I did was with the 800 Mt or ibex 800. Loved the value for money. Unfortunately I decided to not go ahead with the CFMoto because it was a bit raw and unrefined. 1.5 years later, CFMoto launched 2 new ibex 800 versions, worked on the quality and refinement and added new features like android auto and car play... In my opinion it should at least qualify for a test ride to ensure that this is something that you do not want. I think CFMoto is going to give hell to all manufacturers due to their pricing point, options and incoming quality.
Long story short: yes, I would consider buying a CFMoto. For the 5 year warranty offered in Romania and the price I pay, I would take one, use it like crazy for 5 years and they just send it to the recycling bin and get a new one.
I did buy one. I picked up a 2022 650 adventura new in October for $4500 out the door. It has far exceeded my expectations so far. I have only put 1200 miles on it so far..
Just bought a 2023 for the same price. It will be my commuter bike and it’s serving the purpose well.
Just put a deposit down on the CFMoto 450MT [Ibex] and expecting to have the bike by the end of next week. I have several CFMoto motorcycle dealers not that far from home in Sydney (Australia) and CFMoto already has an OK dealer network generally when it comes to the farming related equipment space but not all of these currently have motorcycle capability. It may just be a matter of time that a number of these exiting outlets incorporate motorcycle sale/servicing as a part of or extension of the existing business. I was looking for a smaller adventure bike and the price of the 450MT and feedback from new owners and reviewers is and has been fantastic. The biggest gripes from folks seem to be delays in availably of genuine accessories and no cruise control and a twitchy throttle - apparently, well I heard but have not verified, CFMoto has released a software update in NZ to address this.
Good review as usual.
I have been looking at the 800MT Explorer, I think what you call Ibex explorer in the US. So I was interested to watch this, even though not adventure bikes.
It comes across how different setups and warranty can be in different countries. Only 2 years warranty, here in Mexico, it is only 1 year warranty, but if I understand it correctly, it is unlimed km.
The bikes you have tested have 3 years warranty in Sweden, however if you go for any of the 700 or 800 adventure bikes from 2024 model, you get a whole whooping 5 years of warranty. Not bad.
But then, the explorer model in many countries include panniers, in Sweden you have to pay extra for them.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers from Swede in Mexico
I was really considering a CFMoto, but two of my friends have had their CF’s in the shop for over 5 months now.
(One needing an engine swap)
Just a bad taste, I’m gonna pass.
If you debadged either of these bikes or stuck, say a Suzuki or Kawasaki badge on them at that price point, people would snap them up.
There are only 2 reasons not to buy one.
1. Relatively untested reliability and poor dealer network. But are either worse than, say KTM? (They use KTM derived engines)
2. You don't want to buy Chinese. Which is valid because I have concerns about China's labor, human rights, politics etc. But a lot of what we buy is made in China, so is this any different?
Love this review! Do you think the 450NK is too much for a beginner bike and better to spend a year on a 300NK or C300r? Love your content and keep up the great work!
It will be interesting to see how the CFMoto bikes fair in the marketplace. We are starting to see an onslaught of Chinese bikes and so far KOVE and CFMoto seem to stand out. I checked out the IBEX 800 at a local dealer and it was pretty decent looking and felt normal sitting on it. But... I'm not sure I'd be interested in buying one. I do believe they will push the Japanese to start offering more features on their bikes, CC, tubeless wheels, etc that are coming standard on the CFMotos. IMO the Japanese have been very slow to add features people want and aren't that hard to add and from my personal buying I bought a Tuareg over a T7 primarily due to the feature set of the Tuareg and I don't regret my purchase decision one bit. But I am not their core target buyer so ???
I think you're right about the 270 cranks vs the old school 180 cranks, nobody likes 180 crank engines and some of the Japanese engines seem cast in cement on that and I don't get why, it's not hard to change but may require a new EPA cert which might be the core reason they haven't changed.
I'll be looking forward to your IBEX 450 & IBEX 800 reviews.
Ive owned cfmoto both atv and now an ibex motorcycle. They are good brand. I definitely consider them. They give you a lot for the price and ive not had any problems with them yet. They got great styling, maybe lack some refinement but they get better every year.
Great job as always. Thank you. Been riding since the 1980s, and all I have to say is... CFMOTO rules! Glad they will now be in place for my young daughter and her generation to enjoy. Change is both good and inevitable. Happy trails.
I’m impressed with the reviews for their honest opinions expressed. Having said that ,I am not currently in the market for a new machine. I have a 2019 BMWF750GS and am totally satisfied with its performance and capabilities. At 34,000 miles it’s stone reliable. Thanks for your continuing testing of new bikes.
In Indonesia, we had a trauma on China brand/made motorcycle/moped that basically a copy of Japanese popular moped at early 2000's, they affordable, but with non-existent after sales service, although many parts can be substituted to with the OEM parts.
So many motorcycles breaking down due to quality issues, people who already on thight budget, hence buying the cheapest brand new motorcycle at that time, didn't bother to repair their motorcycle.
A lot of local entrepeneurs who brings these China made/copy of Japanese motorcyle only interested to make a quick bucks, before pivoting to other area after cheap unreliable motorcycle craze are over.
So many Indonesians still taking offence on China made motorcyle, a little bit different avenue in automobile though, at present time, some China automobile brand already had a good presence here, by expanding dealership/maintenance network, building assembly lines and network of component supplier etc.
My self had a copy of Honda Rebel 250, from QJ Motor, slapped the Benelli brand on it by the local entrepeneurs who had authorized dealership of Benelli and Keeway from China.
Great review as always your Chanel is very good.the replacement for my 4 year old Honda cb500x is probably going to be cf moto 700 mt but will look at the 450 and the 800 I do limited of road light gravel which is unavoidable in Australia a road only bike would be no good over here in my opinion. When my Honda moves about on gravel it’s ok standing but on the road bike it would be scary. I like wind protection away.
If you are on a budget, just get a KLR650 that will go just about anywhere.
The 450MT is cheaper than the KLR, makes more power and is smoother. The MT is the last nail in the KLR's coffin. ( I have two KLR650 in my garage.)
@@XLV750RD01 A used KLR is pretty cheap though
@@XLV750RD01doubt it.
I just purchased the 450MT here in Australia, and so far it’s very impressive especially what you get for the price. It’s got good build quality and I think people need to change their stigma regarding Chinese products, because most stuff we own is from there. And with KTM having a joint venture with them could only mean they’re doing something right 👍🏻
Yes based on CFMoto's excellent 4 wheeler ATV's (I know about 12 people that own them) and they made KTM motors for years. I think KTM partly owns them now.
The 800 looks cool, crisp, and very snug and well put together. The dash, colors and front look with the lights.
My Honda Transalp has a good functioning quick shifter, my 1st but I prefer using the clutch.
I have a 300nk and it's awesome.. it's a perfect beginner bike and very good on gas..i get 80mpg both city and highway..did i mention its priced very generously at 4,199 brand new..great ergonomic, standand ABS and a very good TFT display better than most bikes... I'm sure in the newr future we will get aftermarket support but just stock its a no brainer buy any cf moto bike!
thanks for sharing
I have a CFMoto SxS (my beloved doesn’t do two wheels but likes some adventure) and it works flawlessly. In fact, one mountain climb had Polaris rigs overheating and mine stayed as cool as a cucumber 🙂
I feel like I would rather get the Kawasaki z500 ABS and the Suzuki GSX-8S over either of these. Both are incredible value for what you're getting and you can actually resell them for a decent price. I was shocked when I saw all the equipment on the Suzuki GSX-8S and how nice it was in person at the price it was being sold at. I almost bought one until I found an ADV I preferred.
I am not in any way saying these are bad bikes. I think they look fantastic. It's just those two I mentioned stood out to me. I had a z400 and I regret ever selling the thing. It was very reliable and fun to ride.
Yes. Yes i am planning on buying the Ibex450. I wonder if its going to be slightly different for us. As we can tune it higher HP. Also lm thinking like the KTM490Avdenture we had fully adjustable suspension from day 1. Other countries had to wait a couple years. So makes me wonder. Otherwise why change the name? What to match the Ibex 800 name? Could be. Only time will tell. I dont need to go fast, is i ride a DRZ400 everywhere. So looking for something to replace the KTM490 Adventure they killed. The Ibex is way cheaper. Its actually cheaper than a new DRZ400. Which my friend just bought a new hold over from last year. A 2023 DRZ400SM. He paid way more than i will for the Ibex 450. I dont need fancy stuff. But tubeless spoked wheels will be nice to have. Although in 40 years if riding, i have had maybe 7 flat tires. Keep doing what you do. Cant wait to see your thoughts on the Ibex450...aka 450MT
I would totally buy a Cfmoto. Not concerned about the Chinese connection, as I am typing this on an iPhone, sitting on a couch made in China, wearing clothes made in China. Would it be nice if all of these things were made in the U.S.? Sure, but then I couldn’t afford any of them.
Ian they are well priced and well specked compared to say Kawasaki who do not release new models, only slightly upgrade their current line. So yeh, I'll give them a go.
No CFmoto in my part of the country. i will stick with the big 4. is the ninja 400/500 really more expensive?
We need some CB750 Hornet vs GSX-8S test
The reason why I (so far) have bought japanese, is because the reliability ive personally have had with them. Itll take a while for the Chinese to build up to that.
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The main problem with CFMOTO is they have pathetic development for their high but unrealised potential TFT command centers. The bikes are high quality, and can be priced well below retail, but just fall short where they could surpass the competition.
Yes! That 800 looks sweet!
The 800nk light looks better then the new 24' MT-09 light!
the dealer network is a big deal to me. i'm thinking about getting a papio to carry on my tahoe with a hitch carrier, but it's a bit of a drive to their motorcycle dealers. if i wanted an ATV or SxS, I would have enough dealer support near my home and the areas i frequent to not be as much of a concern, but the closest motorcycle dealers are both about an hour and forty-five minutes from me. not a huge deal, but enough to be annoying.
…over the pond here in the uk, they’re selling faster than they can import them. For the money you pay for them (slight advantage for us uk buyers) as the import costs to the US are higher, and that the luggage is an option (being Givi sourced) they’re hard to be too negative about. I’ve just spent £22k on an ATAS, is it 4 times the bike of this in the real world…
I love your videos, and I get your point about emerging brands and saving money. However, China implies slave labour and govern subsidies to undercut and undermine Europe's and America's manufacturing sector. So we are all paying those supposed saving with our jobs and security. Best, Dan
this also
Yep. There are so many cheap Chinese products sold on eBay that ship directly from China. I've heard the Chinese government subsides the shipping cost, which explains why the Chinese seller can ship it all the way to the US for free!
I totally see your points.
It’s been this way for a long long time. Even if you buy from an ‘American’ company, if they are working with a Chinese company to produce the product, your money is still going to china. Just through an American proxy
Should review the CFMOTO IBEX 800
You should encourage people to buy from the the real known and worthy manufacturers.
What you and others doing by that it’s to make the real manufacturers cutting edge to be attractive.
Cfmoto, qjmotors etc…fuck that
It’s almost like you’re trying to compare foreign owned automobile manufacturers that have a history to Motorcycle manufacturers? Where are the motorcycles assembled compared to automobiles from Hyundai, Kia, etc. Not the same, especially considering automobiles vs motorcycles on the road in the U.S and CFMoto lack of history. Short Term Dealer network doesn’t matter
I think many would never buy a Chinese company motorcycle as they’re copies. We all see this in other consumer spaces.
What North Korean manufacturer are we importing/buying transportation products from?
Everything has a piece of China in it! I remember my grandparents not buying Japanese cars and reminding my other family members about the war when they got a Toyota.
Japan has never been a Communist dictatorship doing everything it can to hurt the US
I personally don't buy American because of all the war crimes that country commits. It's good to have values 👍🏼👍🏼
Just ordered a 450MT after selling my XR650
The headlight reminds me of Spawn.
Bike: "I'm out of fuel!" Ian: Proceeds with max throttle going in opposite direction of any fuel station, ha.
I came across 4 guys out in the country the other day riding some back dirt roads, (I've got a Transalp and am in Australia) , 2 of them had Tuaregs and 2 of then had 450MT's. Very positive reviews of the MT's and no trouble keeping up with the Tuareg's anywhere.
I bought a CFMoto 450MT about 3 weeks ago in Australia for a capable off-road ADV.
It has been absolutley fantastic.
Make my 1050XT V-Strom feel like the Titanic!
I’m 100% thinking about it but honestly? Waiting for your review on the CF Moto 450MT
No, I would not consider buying a CF Moto.
I would buy another Honda 😁👍
To answer the question - it's a little frustrating there aren't many or great choices for small Adv bikes. CF Moto's 450MT is almost like a unicorn in terms of the segment it's in. As far as a small twin goes it's the Honda 500x for about your only other choice? - but you have to put a shit ton of extra money into it to make it truly off road worthy (spoked wheels, better suspension, protection etc). If the MT has all that I would have to consider it (just l considered the Himalayan bought it and I love it so far although it needs just a little more power and perhaps another gear). I just added a RE Himalayan 411 to my quiver and it's great along with some of the other small single ADV bikes (KTM 390 etc). I'm changing out my big ADV bikes for smaller bikes because small is more fun off-road - just like mentioned riding a slow bike fast really is more fun - we don't need 150hp and 20+ k motorcycles to have fun IMO. The downside of the singles are on road so it would be so nice to have a parallel twin like the 450 MT. (I consider a parallel twin a different segment than a one cylinder thumper even if the displacement is roughly the same just my 2 cents) 36:03
the bike is fun but you guys will be pissed because of the top speed.. before you change the bike relation it's really not meant for long distances
@@ianmoone6562 Yes I don't disagree with you, I'll always have a big bike as well for long distance road touring. I'm searching for the right BDR bike for when you're 90% off road and you're too old to lift a 600lb (or more loaded) bike more than once a day! I currently still have an AT and a KTM1190 (trying to decide which one to sell because I don't need both even though I love them both - on road!)
You should have waited for the Himalayan 450, way better than the 411
It depends a lot on what kind of off pavement stuff you want to do, but my 2022 Honda CB500x with a Rally Raid level 1 rear shock and their skidplate (plus SW Mototech crash guards, barkbusters, etc) gets the job done on pretty much any two lane dirt road as well as on less technical single tracks. I've banged the RR skidplate a bunch of times - it takes a beating!
So, although ground clearance isn't great, if you pick good lines and slow down in the nasty stuff it's very capable. At 440 lbs wet, it's not light but it carries its weight pretty low so it's pretty easy to pick up too.
I really love the CB500X as an all-rounder, but unfortunately as a tall rider it's a little cramped so it won't be my forever bike. If you are 6' tall or less, weigh less than 200 lbs, then it's a fantastic bike. Don't knock it until you try one!
@@alozborne I'm intrigued by the 500x also. How much are you into it adding the Rally Raid stuff though?
CFMOTO released an updated 2024 800NK with traction control, updated abs, IMU sensors and antiwheelie. It's been out in China since around April, just waiting for it to be launched in other parts of the world.
Its an extremly hot topic in Russia, since we are sanctioned and chinese cars are all over us. I never, like never though i would buy a chinese car myself, I had mostly german ones (last one was Audi a5 coupe 2.0 turbo. After half a year time trying to find a good replacement we finally start to look at chinese cars, and they are not that impressive. But some one suggested me to try Geely Monjaro. We come to a dealer for a test ride and while waiting for manager my wife just sits inside the car for a bit. She comes out and sais - its a good car, you woldnt believe it. I am like - wait, what? I sit inside and its a good car. Like really a decent car, again, I had 6 y/o kinda sporty german coupe before that, i have some standarts. So we take it for a ride and she rides like a good european car, like a volvo i would say.
In a week we just buy one. 15k km already, rode across country, its a good car i cant really critisize. One thing that is really luckluster is a climate control - no idea why it is tuned so badly, otherwise its just a great car and i would suggest anyone to try it out.
So this is the answer - people who think chinese cars or motos are trash have probably no relevant expereinece. In 10 years we will all consider them a 100 percent valid option.
People are Hippocrates they won’t buy a Chinese bike but will buy anything else from China. Hell the bike they ride has parts from China. It’s all political. Either don’t buy anything Chinese or be quiet. Cf moto has been in the US for years with their atv and side by sides. They aren’t going anywhere. In fact they are opening a factory in Mexico. You know the same place Honda makes the xr150 etc. but people won’t say anything because it says Honda on it
I would not consider a cfmoto bike.
I’ve been riding Japanese bikes for decades, mostly Honda, I’ve never been left stranded by any of them. So why would I switch brands ?
Isn’t it cfmoto that built the engines for the KTM models with major mechanical problems ?
Cams delaminating from poor quality (metalurgy)
You know what’s strange about that though, the motors CFMoto is building for ktm have cam problems, but the CFMoto model using the same engine doesn’t have the cam problem 🤔
Because cf moto is smart and not pushing the engine as hard as ktm. They are about 10hp down.
Not buying a CFMoto but your reviews are top notch! Best on RUclips…
they are, hands down
I agree, also my favorite bike review channel😎
Not interested at this point in CFMOTO. Parts availability through normal channels... with diagrams and availability. Quality may be good -- but not proven enough to risk (for me). I do shrink away from supporting the CCP government as well.
For reference-- I didn't buy a Hyundai back in the day -- but wouldn't rule one out now.
Ask again in 30 or 40 years when CFMOTO has some experience under their belt 😉
I'm gonna wait for reviews from actual BUYERS and see what problems they run into...then buy used...I'm in no rush. Some Brits already have them and lets see what they say..
I AM actually considering the CFMoto 450 MT (Ibex) here in the states. Been looking for something with adjustable suspension, tubeless tires, TFT, moderate seat height, moderate weight and a parallel twin for years and I have seen that many others have been looking for that as well. But, unfortunately, the main manufacturers continue to build bigger and heavier bikes, neglecting this segment. I don't need a 70+ BHP motorbike for touring and off road riding. 450-500cc is just right for me; I don't feel the need to get a higher displacement bike. As the saying goes, "I'd rather ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow". CFMoto is the first manufacturer to build the exact bike that I have been looking for. Am I disappointed that its a Chinese manufacturer, I'd say yes, but everything I've seen from CFMoto recently is better quality and has a good price point (I'm sure their pricing will go up after wider adoption). I am super close to putting the money down for the 450 MT as it checks all the boxes and looks good to boot. I know its a first year build, and its Chinese, but I will happily be a guinea pig on that bike, and I may pay for it in time, stress and money. That is a price I'm willing to pay to make the main Japanese manufacturers realize that they are completely ignoring this segment of the ADV world and they will lose money because of it. Great review btw, as usual!
thanks for sharing
You may not pay the price. They have a killer warranty. I have a 5 year warranty on my side by side and they literally ask 0 questions. If something breaks you drop it off and they fix it. Oil pump failed on mine. Wiped the bearings. Locked up at 40 mph. I called the next morning, they said bring it by. 3 weeks later they called back and said they replaced the engine and the starter because it got weak from me trying to start the engine whilst being locked up. Cost me $0. Didn’t ask how I was riding it or anything. Never tried to place fault on me. I’ll take that all day long
The 450 twin really really literally sounds great. If only the other brands offeted twins like that. The Honda 500x Id consider..Reliability is of the upmost importantance to me.
My thoughts too. BUT find out the price to do the service maintanrce for valve checks & resets, On Kawasaki Versa 350 X they charge $1500+ for this dealership work. SCREW THAT BS, - a good out the door price for the bike is about $ 4500 - $ 5500. Passed on that “Jap” bike…So check on this CFMoto 450 Adv model FIRST !!!
I tried the 450MT and I have to say that it's a bit slow, feels more like 30ish horsepower when you ride it. Never had the chance to spin it all the way or anything, but my general impression was that it's quite a bit slower than 450nk or 450ss. Maybe that was a conscious decision seeing how it's more of an off-road bike
Capable and affordable but I’d rather not support Xi and Putin.
Suzuki makes nice affordable bikes.
I went into a dealership with the intention of buying a '24 GSX-S1000. Rode out with a 800NK for $5k USD + tax/tags vs $9.9k for the suzuki + tax/tags. The price for the Suzuki had a pretty good discount but compared to the CFMOTO, was that really 100% more bike? Nope. I didn't need 150HP and don't really need 100 HP either. I bought it to thrash around and not worry about it. At that price point it's a hell of a value and not really even worried about resale....the most I can lose is $5k lol.
Way too expensive for being Chinese bikes. There’s no compelling savings that would threaten Japanese brands.
KTM and CFMOTO are owned by the same company.
Look at the price for a ktm 790 adventure and a cf moto 800. At least $1000 difference. And they are essentially the same bike except one says Ktm. I just purchased a 650 adventura for $3400. If it turns out to be a pos I’ll be the first to admit it. But I think for a commuter it will be perfect
As attractive as the specs and price are the fact that CF Moto is a contract manufacturer for KTM and KTM seems to be the most unreliable major European manufacture. it doesn’t excite me as a brand I would consider purchasing. Also, if Trump wins the presidency tariffs on Chinese goods are going to be through the roof and will probably eliminate the value proposition of this brand.
Better buy one now then. Or before we bait Russia into ww3 to prevent an election
Name me a bike that hasn’t doesn’t have parts made in China! Funny reading all the Chinese made haters😂
No & No
I'm more inclined to buy fewer Chinese products rather than more, for several reasons. I won't be buying a Chinese motorcyle.
CFMoto and other specialty bikes suffer from Tesla effect. Technically excellent products, but inadequate dealers, parts, and accessories. Resale not good. Japanese bikes complete opposite and reliable.
yeah better network support will simply take time.
Nope...what!? I am not supporting a model in which folks get paid peanuts while the com petitors(most) pay their labor a wage that is at least something approaching repectful.
Matter of fact...I'm going to stop watching...4:53 in...nahh...not interestsd...not one bit...nor in a Ural....or anything out of North Korea, or Iran...hmmm...who else?
Can’t explain it but they just look good. I am in the camp of all the MT-xx and KTM bikes are kinda ugly. Something about them I just hate. They are good bikes I’m sure and I have been seeing them EVERYWHERE in Colorado. These cfmoto bikes look significantly better to me. We all know looks is the most important thing :)
I bought the Ibex 800T. Which you didn't like. New software fixed the fueling issue. You need to revist that bike. If the new 450 was here I would have bought one.
I do my best to not buy anything from china. Just sayn
Waiting for the CFmoto 450 MT / Ibex review. :)
I wouldn't mind buying one due to the price. But I love my Japanese bikes. I've never had any problem with Honda's, Yamaha's, and now Kawaski. Maybe 5 or so years down the road but as of now, I'll have to pass.
Sure, remember back in the 60’s when Honda was first introduced.
Yea....but you meet the nicest people on a Honda.
@@Ntmoffi love it
I'm sure given the price point there will be a fair amount of adoption. Now the question of reliability is yet to be seen, and the resale market is completely unknown. I'll stick to other brands for the foreseeable future.
The engine is not what worries me cuz usually its a carbon copy of a major brand that is reliable, but the rest... type of screws, quality of metal, electronics, rubber , vym8l, brake lines etc etc
The pirelli tires, brembo brakes, Bosch ignition, and fully adjustable KYB suspension have held up great after 2 years and almost 8k miles this far!
😉
Well if the engine is a copy of the ktm the cams may be a worry
@@aussiesam01 the cam issue was resolved AWHILE ago, there are whole new top ends, internal components, even the bikes that were affected are using the new parts.
Cf moto didn’t seem to have the cam issue. They make their bikes with less horsepower. Honestly I think ktm should let cf moto make the adventure bikes up to 890 and ktm make the larger displacement ones. They are the same bike competing with one another
Good for the market although I would not buy one yet
I am in EU...30 years riding, 20 years JPN bikes no problems. (They just stayed behind EU bradnds)
For the last 10 years, EU brands have a lot of expanses and problems priced high but also produced in far East ...china, malezia , Thailand ect.
Nov seriously looking at CF moto, Kove, QJ... all coming with 5year unlimited waranty decend equipment and good prices. Quality exceeds expectations.
Looking forward to new models.
As of now, I would buy a Japanese bike. The price difference does not warrant the reliability risk associated with using something relatively new over companies that have proven their commitment to quality. As more people buy these and the years of use they too may establish that reputation, just as you alluded to with Hyundai and the stages of growth.
Totally will consider a CFMoto, probably as a second bike.
Exactly!! I think as a commuter bike they would serve the purpose beautifully. The 800 is the same engine as the ktm. Pretty much the same bike period.
Bought a CFMOTO IBEX 800T spring 2023 and love it! Just put 50/50 tires on it and ready for more off pavement adventures.
I have no problem with CF Moto products. I don't understand why they aren't cheaper, though. They need to be significantly cheaper than the Japanese offerings.
The 450 MT (the Adventure model) is selling like hot cakes in Australia. Rode one yesterday straight after test riding a Tenere. Pound for pound it is a far better bike end of story. The engine is 4 years old and well proven. Time will tell regarding reliability of the whole package but the reviews are very positive.
I'm still not buying a Hyundai... and 450NK at the price of CB500F also a big NO
Great job Ian. I was considering CFMoto up here in Eastern Canada. (They've been around here for years in the ATV market) However, in recent years, the prices have crept up. I looked at the Ibex 800 touring but it was almost a $1000 more than the bike I went with. The vstrom 800de. And congrats on 250k subs 🍻
my only problem w that moto is the colors, the 450nk colors are bad for my taste. The 800 have better colors like that black with like gold kinda.
My daughter in law is riding a cf moto 450 sr s. It‘s a great bike. Build quality is awsome. Imo great bang for the Buck. I would definitly consider a cf moto. 800 nk sounds great, or the 700 cl x.
No wouldn't own one. But let see how todays Cfmotos are like in 10 years. Resale, reliability, dealer networks, parts availability, service intervals, fuel consumption, centre stands, accessories , etc. I'll let other riders work that one out. I was keen on the Cfmoto Mt450 ibex but grabbed a Honda cb500x instead. When you're paying cash and looking at either bike, I just couldn't buy the Cfmoto When I sat on the Honda it became mine.
CFMoto makes great bikes, but at the end of the day, Japan is an ally and China is not. I bought a Kawasaki. Resale value is another factor.
Very good review, especially the comparison with the competition.
I fully agree, a Z500 with a 270° crankshaft engine would be incredible!
In Canada they're 125 is priced the same as Honda - its a no brainer
Yes, esp. the 450MT Ibex Adventure Bike, but ONLY after pricing dealer service price for inspecting / adjusting engine valves. If crazy BS over-priced like Kawasaki Versys 300x then 2022 - 2024 KTM 390 adventure MC gets the nod. Want Adv bike under 400 lbs curb-wet weight including engine / fairing guards & rear rack for soft luggage.
Yeah but msrp and real world prices are vastly different. I just picked up a cf moto 300 nk for 2 grand plus dealer fees and destination fee for a total of 3250 shop around they have big deals
Other manufacturer probably would not worry too much, since President Trump will impose a 100% tariff on Chinese imports, including all CFMOTO products. Considering the post-tax prices (if such MIC products can still exist by then), other legitimate manufacturers will not be harmed.
8:08 The LED Headlight for the 800NK reminds me of the Dilophosaurus from Jurassic Park. It also reminds me of those mini robots in the movie series Transformers
Double check specs, esp. wet wt. 450 MT Ibex claimed 186 lbs wet wt. is total BS, - more like 430 lbs by European motorcycle reviews.
CFMOTO released an updated 2024 800NK with traction control, updated abs, IMU sensors and antiwheelie
As a '23 Svartpilen owner, the swing arm mounted setup is sadly always a poor choice for unsprung weight. Cool styling, but I bet 800NK owner will fiddle and remove it.
The CFs are not priced low enough to really compete with the Kawa or Suzuki. Why buy into the unknown when known quality is almost the same price? I have no doubts that the CFs are good machines, it's just the pricing in both the US and the UK where I'm from. The factory gate prices will be VERY low.
Well I’ll never buy a bike thinking I’m going to sell it, but resale value would definitely have to be at the top of the list. I have two dealers of CF Moto within 30 miles of me so that doesn’t worry me. I like the 270° crank, but Honda fit and finish and reliability and resale value are all very hard to beat, I know it may be a little bit more boring than The CF Moto, but the older I get the more fun I can have with smaller bikes and not going as fast
My 2024 KTM 790R was built by CF and there is no diff with my other KTM's that were built in Osterreich.....
Yes I would an actually I am looking at the 800 NK. I have a CF Moto U Force and love it. I have a good dealer and the build quality on the NK is top of the line. I have had Hondas , Kawasaki and Harley. So I feel as if I have a good grasp on what I want and can get for the dollars I am spending
The fact that 450mt costs as much as 450nk only shows that prices of ADV bikes are rigged and this is the reason we couldn't get anything like 450mt sooner. The difference in bill of materials is max $500 between naked and adv bike.
Contradictory info..
I was told that cfmoto borrows parts from ktm which is why I bought cfmoto..
Big mistake..
Unreliable and terrible service
I had to sell it under 10 months and took a big hit and then bought a ktm instead..
When I looked for my new motorcycle, I considered a CF Moto as an option to. But my choice stopped on Voge DS900X. And I'm not regret my choice.
The CFMoto 450MT was the most sold bike over 125cc in June in Portugal. For the price it has no competition.