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No. First, it is a Chinese company even though so many parts are made in China for all the mfg's, I think it's worth trying not to buy Chinese when possible and the fueling would be really annoying since I've experienced that before. A lot of good options though. Cruise control being the biggest convenience option that other bikes in this class missed!:(
Super interested in the 650 ADVENTURA. Can you review one of those and compare to the less tech for more money KLR650? I can't be the only one wondering between those two bikes.
Have been owning this bike for almost a year (around 20.000 km currently), the review is pretty much on point, thanks for your work. A couple of things I'd like to add: 1) Fueling issue. You have to go to the dealership and force them to update fuel mapping, then the problem goes away. The update has been available for a year, so no idea why new bike doesn't have the latest mapping. 2) Crash Durability I've used this bike quite a lot offroad riding different terrains (rocks, sand, gravel). And I've dropped the bike may times on all of them. Sometimes it has fallen on the hard rocks in the mountains and rolled away. No damage to the bike whatsoever (except for cosmetics like paint and crash bars, obviously) 3) Realiability Considering how I treated this bike, I would say the conditions were at the worse 99% percentile of how people would use machine like this. The only problem i had was that protective layer of the dashboard started to peel off after half a year- the entire screen was replaced under warranty. Nothing else has gone wrong. 4) Offroad It can be ridden offroad quite hard, although definitely there are better machines for that. But I have been riding with guys on Tenere, Africa twin, KTM 890, Tuareg for a year and haven't been in a single situation, when the bike didn't pull through. So this bike will limit you only if you progressed enough, train regularly and seek harder and harder challenges.
You still have the bike, comment still holding true? I sat on S today and it was phenomenal how it felt natural to me and so comfortable, HD Pan Am felt cheaper at $10k higher price tag, and Kawasaki was close to it but felt better build quality. There’s just something about 800, I’m thinking about pulling a trigger.
Nothing better like an honest comment from an actual owner. I thought the engine issue was just a mapping adjustment, BRM should have known that either.
I’ve owned the 800MT for over 12 months and I’ve got 22000km on it. I love it. No problems, nothing has broken or fallen off. The fueling was improved with an ECU update from CFMoto. There was a recall for 2022 models to replace the water pump impeller which has been carried out by the dealer. Like you said in your video ,it is an Adventure tourer and it does that very well. Best value for money out there.
I know this is subjective thing but I think this might be the best looking adventure bike out there. The styling is spot on. It’s actually a beautiful looking bike that’s not quirky or over the top. Those headlights just look good!
I am quite surprised to see such opinion. I think the design is one of the big downsides of this bike, even though it looks better in person and better than KTM.
I bought one a month and a half ago and already have about 1500 miles on it. It's a great commuter, does great on the highway with cruise control, and does great offroad with better tires. I put Kenda Big Blocks on mine and rode it for about 700 miles one weekend on a camping trip with about 200 miles of forest roads. I'm loving it so far! I traded up from a KTM 390 Adventure.
I commented on the last video talking about this bike and I’m glad you posted the video. But I’ve had 22 motorcycles since 2018 and that’s persists over all brands and their newer models. I have to say that I’m blown away by my CFmoto 450ss. For the price it checks so many boxes. In the Facebook groups I’m in some people have over 25,000 miles on there’s and it’s been fine. I’m convinced that this brand is hitting the market hard and the Japanese need to be focused on CFmoto. My H2 which is kawasakis premium line doesn’t even come close to the features my 450 has. That’s a bike that’s 5,400$ beating my 20,000$ bike. Yeah the h2 is faster but that’s about all it has to offer. Personally I’m pumped that CFmoto is throwing a hand in the game because when there’s competition between brands the winner is the customer👍🏼
I've tested it and I liked it. Then after 2 days I tested the V-Strom 800 DE and I understood why Chinese manufacturers still have a long way to go. And despite having less features and a slightly high price (at least here in Europe) at the end I purchased the Suzuki. Thank you for your great review.
@@IRQ1Conflict Yes. You are right. But they are often compared on RUclips reviews especially with the Transalp 😉 as they shared the 21" front wheel (not the IBEX of course) and the 800 cc engine.
Just turned 4k miles on my 800T and I love it! I mostly commute to work (95 miles highway) on it and I’ve taken it camping a few times (a little gravel road action) I’m coming from a cbr600rr. I’m new to the ADV world and this is a perfect intro for me. And I think the bike is beautiful! Can’t wait to go on more adventures on it! Great review 🤙
I’m really considering going from my cbr954rr to the adv space and this bike is on my list. There’s others but I’m also using it to commute about 120miles per day, so cruise control is nice. Have you had any issues at all that stand out?
@@willwilder5269 well I’m at about 9k miles now and I still love it. I did have an issue where the tft display was delaminating on the edges and also my luggage rack was starting to rust and lose paint where my boxes were contacting the rack, but issues were taken care of under warranty. The warranty is 2 years / unlimited miles. Just hoping the same thing won’t happen with the new parts but I still have about 10 months of warranty left. I haven’t had issues with anything else. And yes, cruise control is amazing for the commute!
@@ryanm6869 awesome! This is good to know seeing I should be picking up mine tomorrow. I wonder if some clear coat on the new set could help prevent the rust from happening again? How’s the quick shifter been to you?
@@willwilder5269 well hopefully they fixed the paint issue. If it happens again and it’s out of warranty, I might just sand blast and powder coat it at that point. I guess you’ll be picking up a 2024 model? The quick shifter has been good. I rarely use it to upshift (I feel the clutch is smoother when not accelerating hard), but I use it every time I downshift and it’s delightful!
@@ryanm6869 no it’s actually a 2023 but fully loaded with all of cf’s accessories, and this is good to know makes me feel better about the purchase I’ll probably just send out the crash bars and bags to get powder coated ahead of time. Looking forward to how the bike holds up at 15,000 miles!
I sat on the Ibex T at a dealer last weekend. It looks appealing. I saw a you tube from Australia that said they have a computer fix for the herky jerky throttle. It appears top heavy with a full fuel tank. I think it would be good on the highway. I wouldn’t take it off road. I like the leg room on the Ibex for comfort. My concern is with our trade relationship with China, I worry about getting parts. Otherwise it seems like a deal to me. I have ridden an Electraglide for 23 years and a Goldwing for about that long before. So I like a bike that my wife and I can tour on. Great review as usual Ian. Thanks.😎
Hi Ian, I purchased the 2023 Ibex800T , my main consideration was cost, I couldnt buy a decent used Adv Touring bike at the price of this new bike. Used bike prices are out of control like everything else is. My CFMOTO dealer is very close and reputable, and there was no price gouging with my purchase. The throttle issues you mentioned have been mitigated in a couple of ways, for me there was resetting the Throttle mapping (Turn the bike on with the throttle wide open, don't start it though, count to 60 , turn it off and start it normally), and also tightening the carb to airbox connectors (night and day differnce) and also received an OTA update through the CFMOTO Ride app that addressed an MTU error message (It updated cooling fan logic that was causing it)
I purchased one and I really enjoy it. It's my first adventure style bike and your right there are pros and cons. I like the seat height and all the features. I'm more commuter and tourer vs off roader but if I see a dirt road no problem. I just put it on rain mode. Thanks for video
Exactly the same comments from my side; I’ve put 5,000 miles on it and I love the comfort and features; as I only do light off-road it works just fine for me…it’s all a matter of what you need from a motorbike. I added a wind deflector and it’s great for road riding
I think they have for the price a very good starting platform with room to build on. Give them a couple of years with customer feedback and I think they will be able to compete well with the middle leaguers. Great review as always.
In Australia we have the Explore model. 6 riding modes abs off on either rear or both wheels, traction control and revised engine. 3 kw less power and much smoother throttle. Redline now at 8000 rpm. Apple carplay etc. Way better than the 800 Touring. Hopefully you get this model soon.
I bought one in the spring to replace my 2014 second gen V-Strom 1000. Your review is accurate as always. My dealer is working with a third party on the mapping to help the surge you find at that 3000 rpm. You are correct it is pretty bad. Other than that the bike has been fantastic. almost 4000 kms and no issues. much more comfortable and composed compared to the V-Strom. The bikes are $14800 out the door in Cnd dollars.=$10874 usd $13800+ freight+PDI etc. However the Touring comes with all the luggage here which is very high quality. We have a 5 year warranty in Canada. So far pretty happy with my purchase.
Thanks Ian There is an OEM software ECU fix for that first gear jerkiness. It’s kind of a recall that was probably not done yet on the US bikes. Our friends from down under were the first to point it out to CF Moto and they fixed it with a software upgrade. It looks like a fantastic bike for what you pay 🍻🍻
That is correct. Here in Australia we have fixed that ecu problem and it’s like a completely different bike. Pickup has improved through all gears. CFMOTO heard about it and kept in contact with the Gus doing it and liked what they did. I believe KTM are also looking at the new ecu as well.
What’s cool about this bike is you can do updates using your phone. I thought I heard there was a fueling update available??? And there is an updated model out(maybe not in the us) that has traction control ect The things that make this bike stand out from the Japanese competition are it’s tubeless spoked wheels(which all adv bikes should have) and the nice looking headlight/fairing/front end, which the Suzuki and Honda are both lacking
Hi Ian, thank you for reviewing this CFmoto. I just recently became aware of this brand and bought a 450ss which has been great. But, my interest in adventure bikes is growing, and I would love to see more of the middleweight bikes at this price point. I would definitely consider this bike, but I think they will get better for offroad versatility in a couple years.
In Europe we now get an updated 800MT Explore Edition wich has the surging issue completely resolved, has TC, 6 ride modes, lane assist, rear crash radar, MMI 8 inch screen with Apple CarPlay, better suspension. You should try that when it comes to the US. I'd say it is the best bang for buck adv motorcycle currently on the market anywhere in the world.
Thank you for this traditionally exceptional review. Speaking as a young-minded geezer, this bike appears to be the perfect value-laden bike to transition to from a much heavier cruiser that I currently ride. And cruise control is not a feature that comes with many bikes at that price point. My wrists will thank me, to be sure. Thanks again.
So far out all the reviews on yhis bike you are the only one I can think of has mentioned the Jerky throttle at low speed.. great video Ian love you reviews.. you are brutally honest
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At the time I was purchasing a bike, this bike was not in shops in my area. After all was said and done, I ended up purchasing a 2023 KTM 890 adventure. Purchasing the KTM was reminiscent of purchasing my BMW R1200 GS….getting nickeled and dimed for every feature I wanted. Even though more expensive, I believe I would still choose the KTM over the IBEX 800T.
I really want this bike but I’m waiting for Explorer edition which has traction control and blind spot detection. The throttle mapping is being revised with software updates and continues to improve. There as also an overheating bug that has now been resolved, again with a software update. Which I believe will be the main issue owners will experience. The hardware is known and should not be a concern but the software is a little unrefined but is improving which would give me confidence. The only other thing I would do is look over the bike very carefully just to make sure everything is tightened correctly and don’t be concerned if there is some coolant that leaks out (people have remarked that it had been over filled).
I'd buy one. Based on what I've heard from many owners and testers, it's a great bike. Plus, with all you get for the price, you can't beat it. Cruise control, heated seat and grips, engine protection, center stand, etc. If I were in the market for a new bike, this would be high on the list.
If KTM/Husqvarna didn't exist with their big lead on traction control features and the low-slung tank design, I would seriously consider this over other Japanese or Euro offerings. I may still choose the Tuareg 660 over this but that would come solely from the Tuareg being (arguably) the best in class for small-midsize ADVs (ie, not 900s), which I was really looking for as a newer rider who was new to dirt. The Husky 901 sold me because of the software and tank design, making it a much less intimidating bike despite the fact that it has ridiculous power (the high-power was somewhat appealing as it would help keep me interested longer term and be more comfortable on long highway trips through the mountains). I guess KTM has the low tank idea patented because I don't know why more manufacturers aren't going that direction for these already tall, top heavy bikes.
We all know the throttle control could adjusted through a piggyback system. But, for the first time out of the chute this bike offers an alternative to the current crop of overpriced adventure bikes. Great early review, thanks!!
I rode a few different of the 800 Ts at a ride event. I wanted to make sure it wasn't just one bike over the other. I had the same conclusion. The fueling is off. I mentioned it to the ride organizers for CF Moto and they tried to play it down. But I definitely noticed it. I have viewed several other videos saying the same thing about fueling. I hope they get it fixed. Additionally, I would want a taller windshield and wider too. I was very tempted, but just couldn't pull the trigger.
I've owned the Adventura 650 for a year now and have put 15,000 highway miles on it. I've been pleased so far. I'll probably upgrade to the IBEX next year. I think you get a lot of bike for the money with a CF Moto. I'd love to have a Versys 1000, but I'd much rather keep the extra 10K in my pocket.
I just bought the 2023 cf Moto ibex 800 s For $9,400. I have about 1700 miles on it so far. it does have some issues with the engine noise at idle it is a little loud for me also the fueling is twitchy at low speeds and my other grIpe is the engine heat from the engine On hot days it hits you on your knees and shins. I have had an issue with the MCU or ECU failure light coming on a couple of times but turns off when riding in hot conditions stop and go traffic this keeps you from scrolling back and forth through your TFT screen menu. I've heard this can be fixed with a software upgrade from CF Moto Also I heard it is caused by the radiator fan not functioning correctly. So far I like the ibex 800 s I haven't taken off road yet other than a short gravel road it's pretty smooth and I have the stock maxis street tires on it. So far I'm pretty happy with my purchase I'm looking forward to the aftermarket accessories and parts to come out. There are some Chinese aftermarket parts out there but not a lot other than CF Moto which are not cheap. No sure what the long term reliability will be? I've seen people on youtube with 5000 miles with no problems other than MCU failure and the surging at slow speeds. I think if you are on a Budget and your in the market for a middle weight adv motorcycle this is a good bike. Is it a BMW , triumph tiger or a Africa twin? No! I just moved up from a klr 650 definitely a step up especially the 95hp and the options you get. Hopefully I'll get many more smile miles from the CF Moto 800 ibex. Great video review on the Cf Moto ibex 800t there are pros and cons with this motorcycle. All I can say is go test ride one and see for yourself if you like it.
Ian, you really got the point about this motorcycle. It is a great highway motorcycle and after having it for around 3 months I would buy another one if the fuelling is fixed for sure. @cfmoto, please fix the fuelling asap and let everyone know.
I watch your content ( top of the charts ) virtually for free, so you asked a direct question, impolite not to answer. I would consider & maybe purchase this bike, though I don't know where. Might regret it, used to Japanese reliability & availability. Feature laden for sure, good looking, but my V-Strom is still hitting the right mark.
Bear Butte in the background! The first year of Get On! I stayed in the first cabin right behind you on the corner, awesome view of the butte! Seriously considering this bike for my larger ADV, but I wasn’t able to check it out during the fest this year.
I don't see myself going down the CFMOTO road for some time. There are things I like about their bikes... and things I don't; Ian always does a very nice job covering that stuff in his pieces. Price is appealing. But, I spend long hours in the saddle and sometimes wander long distances in random routes; so, dealer network and known reliability is a big deal and I typically keep to Honda and Yamaha for that type of riding. Ergos are very important to me, too. I hope CFMOTO continues to grow and improve and I'll keep an eye on them for now. (I noticed we didn't get the long shot ergo set up/leg position usually in these reviews... no camera stand, perhaps)
I was also interested in this machine because I really liked the look and the rich equipment. Unfortunately, the service network for this brand is very thin here in Germany.... the dealer was also not very communicative and also rejected the trade-in of my Voge 500DS because there were allegedly only problems with it (had not a single problem in 2 years and have also never heard anything)..... finally I bought a Moto Guzzi V85TT from a very very friendly and competent dealer and am happy with it
9:16 bars are pretty easy to understand actually _(as well as others _*_International System of Units_*_ quantities)_ 1 bar = 1 atm = 100,000 Pa - default atmospheric pressure at sea level 2.2 bar - default pressure for car or bike tyre 6-8 bar - road bicycle, 25C tyre 150 bar - argon/oxygen/co2 - gas cylinders
@BigRockMoto. Here in Greece CF Moto is selling a lot of these bikes (800 MT is named) with dealers in every major city and with its price (9900Euros~10700USD) is a fair bike (but with unknown reliability). In order to compare KTM 790 costs (11750Euros~12700USD). If Chinese brands want they should provide reliable bikes and i suppose they will.....
This bike is a big seller here in Greece (it's called cfmoto 800mt here). It has really low price and is full of tech. The spec sheet looks great but in reality the bike has a big issue. The fueling is terrible. I suppose the problem has to do with emmisions. You are basically forced to change the fuel mapping and lose warranty. After the change the bike is actually ok. Decent tourer, mediocre on road and pretty bad off road. It would be worth the price tag if it ever sorted out the fuelling. P.s. Could you do a review of the new voge dsx 525, a bike which after riding it, i consider it to be the best bargain of the motorcycle world right now?
The fuelling issue has been sorted with a free download from CFM (no tampering or lost warranty) and the remaining issue in this video is just constant throttle at 3k rpm or 20km/h in first gear. The vast majority of riders will never experience that.
The new version has soooo much more features such as : Wireless carplay (1st motorbike in the world with it), rear radar with blind spot warnings, emergency flashing lights etc. which makes it the most features riche bike at this price point.
I currently own a KTM 390 ADV but was on the lookout to replace my Yamaha FZS1000 for two up touring. Came across one of these in my local KTM dealer (KTM are the distributor here in the UK) I didn’t know anything about cf Moto but recognised the motor. I was shocked at what great value for money this bike is. cf Moto are including the aluminium luggage in with the price as a promotion. I’ve owned this bike for 1 week now and so far I’m super impressed. I agree with all of your comments. Hopefully the low speed fuelling issue will be dealt with by software updates at some point. I’m also looking to replace the screen probably with a puig screen with adjustable wind deflector. I’ve also got an issue with the mirrors moving in the wind, the dealer has said they will replace at 1st (600 mile) service but I feel that I may need to look at alternatives such as double take mirrors. Really enjoyed your review of this bike 👍🏻
You should have tested the new 800MT Explore, in Portugal it is the best CF Moto that you can buy at the moment, a lot of technology and with improvements in the driving maps. Good videos as always.
Off topic a bit....But I ADORED your old homestead, what with the setup, ample driveway, garage, mountainous terrain, and such. 🥰 Haven't gotten a great view of your new digs yet....but I am wondering if you miss it?? The only sketchy thing I saw was the exit onto the blind road. Great test, as usual, Ian.
To answer your question... would I purchase one? I would have to say no for the following reasons. I currently ride a dual sport (DRZ400s) and am looking to upgrade to something with more range. I like the fact that my DRZ doesn't have any traction control, or rider modes, and 90% of my riding is in the dirt here in interior Alaska. So my inclination for upgrade model is still leaning towards a T7. As then I could still handle the rougher trails, but have the additional range to get to more far reaching ones without buzzing my hands numb (like I do with my DRZ on longer pavement trips using aggressive D606 tires). And yes I understand my tires are part of that issue .. but man are they great on the trails.
I’ve dealt with a lot of Chinese made aftermarket parts for cars and not been impressed. It’s basically a finicky European motor in a finicky Chinese motorcycle. If I wanted finicky I’d buy a Tuareg ‘cause at least it’s sexy. At the end of the day I wanted reliable so I bought a Tenere.
This bike is very good looking and well equipped within this price bracket however they need to work on its ride quality for sure. I still think they need to lower the price to get more buyers on board as it is to near to better mainstream bikes. Would be interesting to know the price of one in China no doubt a lot less than we’re paying? Thanks for the review much appreciated 👍
Moving mine. A software update really helped with the surging. Also the throttle reset helps. I replaced my windshield and it is perfect. It would be nice for you to do a follow up review. Also I think lower gearing would help for off road.
Test rode this bike twice about a month ago, once in sport mode, once in Rain. Two things killed it for me. 1) at low speeds, low gears, the throttle response was very on/off, jerky, twitchy. 2) indicator switch had zero tactile feedback, I constantly had to check the dash to see if I had done what I wanted to. I could live with number 2, number 1 was a deal killer. If they could fix those two things it would be worth the money. If you could live with the inevitably bad resale value anyway. Hopefully they can fix the few issues and I can pick up a used one in a few years
My opinion on cfmoto in general is that if they're going to offer cheap Chinese made bikes, then they need to be actuality inexpensive. Otherwise, if they want to compete evenly with the rest of the market, then they need to make them better.
Your flaw is labeling them "cheap Chinese" when the goal is parity with all other brands. As others have commented that own the 450ss and other models, many of their models are already as good or better than the competition. And their prices are still cheaper with that matching or better quality. I've seen the 300NK and 700 CL-X i person, and they have just as good fit and finish as anyone with their own style. Sure beats HD selling bikes for top $ but having little to no horsepower and outdated tech....
@@ws8080 We have evidence to the contrary in this very video that they aren't up to par with their intended competitors. Inadequate rear suspension and poor fueling off the top of my head. I'm afraid you've failed to sway me.
Question for everyone. I have a Honda NC750X brand new, 2023 DCT. It's high on refinement, low in features. I am interested in touring (and don't need more power). Would you recomend to accesorize the NC or swap for a MT ? I did a test drive with the NC, exacly my thoughts. Low refinement, lots of small issues.
I mean, for a couple thousand more than a KLR 650 and a thousand less than a Tenere 700 (real pricing) seems like a good purchase for long distance touring, especially if you're like me and been riding a Gen 1 KLR for years and years as a pseudo ADV Tourer.
Ian Great review. I think for the budget price there's some dollar room for some fixes to make the bike whatever you want. Yeah, it's Chinese but so are BMW's, other KTM's and other manufacturers medium range bikes. Well done Sir with no scathing comments from me or my Mannequin. Ride SAFE and BE safe Ian! 👍👍
1 bar is like 1 time our atmospheric pressure and is 100000 pascal which is newton per square meter. It is metric so very easy to calculate with or to convert. In car and motorcycle tires we put like 2 or 3 bar, in a bicycle tires from 3 to 6 or even 8 bar on tubes. PSI is not a standard but when grown up with those numbers in your head when talking about tyre pressure I can imagine it might seem easier. BTW, your video is excellent and thorough.
I'd really like to see your review of the explore model mostly due to the tft and to test if the rear alarm system works or if it's a gimmick. Another one from them that I hope you get yourd hands on is the 800NK, craaazy bike
To answer your question, I considered the CFmoto a few months ago when I saw pictures on the web. I was in the market for a twin cylinder adv bike but I checked and there were no dealers in a reasonable distance from my home. I rejected an Aprilia Tuareg for the same reason. I ended up with a Norden Exp.
we are at a very start point of making motocycles, there were litteraly no domestic-brand bikes to choose like 6 years ago when I start to ride, only 125 cc commuter bikes all around in the countryside.I'm very happy we are chacthing up these years, but I would say there is still a long way to go. thanks for your review on CF800T, I watched your DL1050 review 2years ago and bought a XT version myself, and I ride it to do a test ride on the CF800T, both bikes are touring orinted, I thought the DL1050 feels easier to handle with higher seat height and heavier weight.
I think I'd consider buying one if all other options were sold out. It would be tough though if an Aprillia Toureg were available. I think that at the same price as a T7 and Toureg, The Ibex loses. If it were priced significantly less than the competition, I'd give it a look. It will definitely not replace my '17 Africa Twin though.
It is priced well below the comp. T7 and Touareg are not comparable. They are legit off road 21 in tire big travel bike. This is a sport-adventure tourer. It’s more comparable to the tiger 850 sport and 900 gt pro. Has way more features than the 850 sport and about the same as the gt pro. Gt pro is above 16500. So 6k less.
I was hoping for a better review off road. Other reviewers have only tested the pavement, which like you said, a good touring bike. Sat on both the Ibex and the 800DE. Really liked the feel of the Ibex and it’s $1000 cheaper. As you said on the Suzuki 800DE review,if it only had cruise control. So it looks like this review is going to cost me an extra thousand, but at least I’ll know what I’m getting.
I looked at these, felt like it was top heavy and tippy, fit and finish was ok, not great not bad just ok. Personally I was a bit worried about parts availability down the road, for several reasons. Being a new offering and first step in the market I feel like there will be changes coming soon that will limit parts support in the future, short model run usually means short parts runs. Low speed off into some brush, may not be able to get parts kind of stuff. Also other reasons to not be able to get parts from China are possible. I also considered if I want to change some of the accessories will there be aftermarket support? I think for those who just want a turn key one and done out the door bike it is a lot of bike for the money, for those who like to tinker and keep bikes for years it may not be the best. I do own a CF Moto 800XC four wheeler and have been perfectly happy with it so far.
I’d love to see this bike in five years time with 50,000 miles on the clock. Only it won’t do 50,000 miles. It’ll be in a supermarket somewhere wrapped round some baked beans.
Good fair review, seems the engine is great apart form the fueling, the rest of the bike not too bad! Cheap as chips if we're honest. Not sure if I'd be brave enough to buy one!
I have this bike and I really like it. There IS a surging at certain rpms but that is something I have learned to get use to (hopefully can get a fix with an app update). I mainly use mine on road and Love Love Love it and all the features! My off roading consists of mainly dirt roads once in a blue moon. So for me the bike fits my needs perfectly. And what you get for the price point would be hard to get in any other bike. I only use 6th gear in the highway. More of a cruising gear for me. Thanks for the review.
My wife and i just a couple of minutes ago , saw a guy in his bike being rear ended by a car. He was thrown towards a telephone post and smashed his upper body . His helmet was on one side his left boot on the other, full of screaming pain. Blod coming out of his nose. We stayed close to him trying to give him as much confort as we could until the ambulance came. I´m 53 now ,and been on a bike for 34 years with small fails. But if you ask me today if i would buy a new bike, my answer is definitely a no no . They are beautiful (bikes),but what i saw today shocked me ...and changed my mind. You brave guys take care.
Having an Ibex for an extended 2 week demo then comparing it to the Suzuki 800 after a 1 week demo… the Ibex is a far better value for the money especially considering the included features, crash bars, cruise control, heated seat/grips, quick shifter, tubeless wheels .. etc compared to the Suzuki…in Suzuki’ s ‘win” category is a slightly better build quality, engine note and dealer network… but comparably priced to the Ibex, you’d have to throw $3k if not more at the Suzuki to have similar features… both windscreens suck. neither bike comes with hard cases so that another $1500+.. Fueling issue with the Ibex I demo’d was a non issue because it had been remapped… A central Florida CFMoto dealership quoted and OTD prices of $13,500, without the factory hard cases… that’s another $1500.. So which bike would I buy apples to apples?…. for an additional $500 over the price of the Ibex(with 3 hard cases) …I went with the 2023 MotoGuzzi V85TT Adventure….and the MotoGuzzi dealer threw in a factory taller windscreen and center stand….
I was thinking this would make a decent tourer with some soft-roading on the side, but for that I'd rather have a Guzzi. Hope you're liking yours. Although the CF's heated seat is tempting...
@@russellborn515 what the MG offers is soul, character and personality..everything that Germany, Austria and the far east are sorely lacking... as for heated seats or grips...kinda gimmicky because if it's that cold...throw on your gloves, which will negate and heat from getting to your hands rendering the heated grips useless... same applies for a heated seat... my GSA has heated grips... essentially worthless... heated gloves work much better... if you can deal with 6 miles of wires !..
Berzerker - you don't know what you're talking about. Heated grips work very well with winter gloves AND Grip Puppies! Maybe a few min longer to heat up but they work great.
I bought one. Has about 4700 miles on it now. So far I love the bike. My only gripe is the same as yours and CFMoto needs to fix that low RPM fueling problem. It does it for me in any gear between 2500 and 3000 rpms
I am happy with my mt800 but I rang the dealer and asked if they have had any feedback about fueling issues and they said No. Makes me wonder now that I know it is not just me.
I’m say at psi is silly, but bar is a very practical pressure measure unit! The SI-unit of coarse is pascal (N/m²) or Pa, and the atmospheric pressure is around 100 000 pascals. The Pa is often an impractical unit because of the very high number, so 100 000 pascal is also called 1 Bar, which is very close to 1 atmosphere, which is very close to 1 kg/cm². So just think of pressure in terms of atmospheres! About 2 atmospheres (+/- 60% os so) is typical for motorcycle tires. Twice the atmospheric pressure. So… 100 000 pa = 1 Bar ~ 1 kg/cm² ~ 1 atmosphere. Very simple, very practical, very logical.
Here in Italy CF moto is not so popular. The 600cc model with 17” wheel is more popular though. It was 24th in sales last year. By comparison the Teneré was 3rd
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Put in raim. Mode off road helps with slow speed surging etc
No. First, it is a Chinese company even though so many parts are made in China for all the mfg's, I think it's worth trying not to buy Chinese when possible and the fueling would be really annoying since I've experienced that before. A lot of good options though. Cruise control being the biggest convenience option that other bikes in this class missed!:(
Does Walmart carry them??
Looked at it at a local shop looks good loads of features but no it's not for me.
Super interested in the 650 ADVENTURA. Can you review one of those and compare to the less tech for more money KLR650? I can't be the only one wondering between those two bikes.
Have been owning this bike for almost a year (around 20.000 km currently), the review is pretty much on point, thanks for your work.
A couple of things I'd like to add:
1) Fueling issue.
You have to go to the dealership and force them to update fuel mapping, then the problem goes away. The update has been available for a year, so no idea why new bike doesn't have the latest mapping.
2) Crash Durability
I've used this bike quite a lot offroad riding different terrains (rocks, sand, gravel). And I've dropped the bike may times on all of them. Sometimes it has fallen on the hard rocks in the mountains and rolled away. No damage to the bike whatsoever (except for cosmetics like paint and crash bars, obviously)
3) Realiability
Considering how I treated this bike, I would say the conditions were at the worse 99% percentile of how people would use machine like this. The only problem i had was that protective layer of the dashboard started to peel off after half a year- the entire screen was replaced under warranty. Nothing else has gone wrong.
4) Offroad
It can be ridden offroad quite hard, although definitely there are better machines for that. But I have been riding with guys on Tenere, Africa twin, KTM 890, Tuareg for a year and haven't been in a single situation, when the bike didn't pull through. So this bike will limit you only if you progressed enough, train regularly and seek harder and harder challenges.
thanks!
You still have the bike, comment still holding true? I sat on S today and it was phenomenal how it felt natural to me and so comfortable, HD Pan Am felt cheaper at $10k higher price tag, and Kawasaki was close to it but felt better build quality.
There’s just something about 800, I’m thinking about pulling a trigger.
Nothing better like an honest comment from an actual owner. I thought the engine issue was just a mapping adjustment, BRM should have known that either.
I’ve owned the 800MT for over 12 months and I’ve got 22000km on it. I love it. No problems, nothing has broken or fallen off. The fueling was improved with an ECU update from CFMoto. There was a recall for 2022 models to replace the water pump impeller which has been carried out by the dealer. Like you said in your video ,it is an Adventure tourer and it does that very well. Best value for money out there.
Vario screen required
I know this is subjective thing but I think this might be the best looking adventure bike out there. The styling is spot on. It’s actually a beautiful looking bike that’s not quirky or over the top. Those headlights just look good!
I’ve heard the design is by Kiska
Trust me, the Ibex is much better looking in person….better than anything from Europe or Japan…
Definitely subjective! I much prefer the looks of the new Honda Transalp......
I am quite surprised to see such opinion. I think the design is one of the big downsides of this bike, even though it looks better in person and better than KTM.
@@mikerichardson415 And I dislike the trans alp. :-)
I bought one a month and a half ago and already have about 1500 miles on it. It's a great commuter, does great on the highway with cruise control, and does great offroad with better tires. I put Kenda Big Blocks on mine and rode it for about 700 miles one weekend on a camping trip with about 200 miles of forest roads. I'm loving it so far! I traded up from a KTM 390 Adventure.
I am very happy with mine too.
I commented on the last video talking about this bike and I’m glad you posted the video. But I’ve had 22 motorcycles since 2018 and that’s persists over all brands and their newer models. I have to say that I’m blown away by my CFmoto 450ss. For the price it checks so many boxes. In the Facebook groups I’m in some people have over 25,000 miles on there’s and it’s been fine. I’m convinced that this brand is hitting the market hard and the Japanese need to be focused on CFmoto. My H2 which is kawasakis premium line doesn’t even come close to the features my 450 has. That’s a bike that’s 5,400$ beating my 20,000$ bike. Yeah the h2 is faster but that’s about all it has to offer. Personally I’m pumped that CFmoto is throwing a hand in the game because when there’s competition between brands the winner is the customer👍🏼
25000 on a bike isn't much really.
I've tested it and I liked it. Then after 2 days I tested the V-Strom 800 DE and I understood why Chinese manufacturers still have a long way to go. And despite having less features and a slightly high price (at least here in Europe) at the end I purchased the Suzuki. Thank you for your great review.
Wish the Suzuki had tubeless wheels and better wind protection then it would be a no brainer in this category
@@IAmYourReflection You are absolutely right! 👍🏻
Suzuki dropped the ball on excluding electronic CC on the 800-IMO@@IAmYourReflection
Thing is, the Suzuki isn't in this category. Much like the Transalp it is more road focused.
The Suzy is a true 50/50 bike.
@@IRQ1Conflict Yes. You are right. But they are often compared on RUclips reviews especially with the Transalp 😉 as they shared the 21" front wheel (not the IBEX of course) and the 800 cc engine.
Just turned 4k miles on my 800T and I love it! I mostly commute to work (95 miles highway) on it and I’ve taken it camping a few times (a little gravel road action) I’m coming from a cbr600rr. I’m new to the ADV world and this is a perfect intro for me. And I think the bike is beautiful! Can’t wait to go on more adventures on it! Great review 🤙
I’m really considering going from my cbr954rr to the adv space and this bike is on my list. There’s others but I’m also using it to commute about 120miles per day, so cruise control is nice. Have you had any issues at all that stand out?
@@willwilder5269 well I’m at about 9k miles now and I still love it. I did have an issue where the tft display was delaminating on the edges and also my luggage rack was starting to rust and lose paint where my boxes were contacting the rack, but issues were taken care of under warranty. The warranty is 2 years / unlimited miles. Just hoping the same thing won’t happen with the new parts but I still have about 10 months of warranty left. I haven’t had issues with anything else. And yes, cruise control is amazing for the commute!
@@ryanm6869 awesome! This is good to know seeing I should be picking up mine tomorrow. I wonder if some clear coat on the new set could help prevent the rust from happening again? How’s the quick shifter been to you?
@@willwilder5269 well hopefully they fixed the paint issue. If it happens again and it’s out of warranty, I might just sand blast and powder coat it at that point. I guess you’ll be picking up a 2024 model? The quick shifter has been good. I rarely use it to upshift (I feel the clutch is smoother when not accelerating hard), but I use it every time I downshift and it’s delightful!
@@ryanm6869 no it’s actually a 2023 but fully loaded with all of cf’s accessories, and this is good to know makes me feel better about the purchase I’ll probably just send out the crash bars and bags to get powder coated ahead of time. Looking forward to how the bike holds up at 15,000 miles!
I sat on the Ibex T at a dealer last weekend. It looks appealing. I saw a you tube from Australia that said they have a computer fix for the herky jerky throttle. It appears top heavy with a full fuel tank. I think it would be good on the highway. I wouldn’t take it off road. I like the leg room on the Ibex for comfort. My concern is with our trade relationship with China, I worry about getting parts. Otherwise it seems like a deal to me. I have ridden an Electraglide for 23 years and a Goldwing for about that long before. So I like a bike that my wife and I can tour on. Great review as usual Ian. Thanks.😎
Hi Ian, I purchased the 2023 Ibex800T , my main consideration was cost, I couldnt buy a decent used Adv Touring bike at the price of this new bike. Used bike prices are out of control like everything else is. My CFMOTO dealer is very close and reputable, and there was no price gouging with my purchase. The throttle issues you mentioned have been mitigated in a couple of ways, for me there was resetting the Throttle mapping (Turn the bike on with the throttle wide open, don't start it though, count to 60 , turn it off and start it normally), and also tightening the carb to airbox connectors (night and day differnce) and also received an OTA update through the CFMOTO Ride app that addressed an MTU error message (It updated cooling fan logic that was causing it)
I purchased one and I really enjoy it. It's my first adventure style bike and your right there are pros and cons. I like the seat height and all the features. I'm more commuter and tourer vs off roader but if I see a dirt road no problem. I just put it on rain mode. Thanks for video
Good to hear!
Exactly the same comments from my side; I’ve put 5,000 miles on it and I love the comfort and features; as I only do light off-road it works just fine for me…it’s all a matter of what you need from a motorbike. I added a wind deflector and it’s great for road riding
Same here too!!
I think they have for the price a very good starting platform with room to build on. Give them a couple of years with customer feedback and I think they will be able to compete well with the middle leaguers. Great review as always.
Yes, but by then they will be more expensive, I think now is the time to take the decision to give him confidence because it is a good offer.
Finally an honest, unsponsored review. Thanks!
No problem!
In Australia we have the Explore model. 6 riding modes abs off on either rear or both wheels, traction control and revised engine. 3 kw less power and much smoother throttle. Redline now at 8000 rpm. Apple carplay etc. Way better than the 800 Touring. Hopefully you get this model soon.
I bought one in the spring to replace my 2014 second gen V-Strom 1000. Your review is accurate as always. My dealer is working with a third party on the mapping to help the surge you find at that 3000 rpm. You are correct it is pretty bad. Other than that the bike has been fantastic. almost 4000 kms and no issues. much more comfortable and composed compared to the V-Strom. The bikes are $14800 out the door in Cnd dollars.=$10874 usd $13800+ freight+PDI etc. However the Touring comes with all the luggage here which is very high quality. We have a 5 year warranty in Canada. So far pretty happy with my purchase.
Awesome
5 year warranty? Wowza
Thanks Ian
There is an OEM software ECU fix for that first gear jerkiness.
It’s kind of a recall that was probably not done yet on the US bikes.
Our friends from down under were the first to point it out to CF Moto and they fixed it with a software upgrade.
It looks like a fantastic bike for what you pay 🍻🍻
That is correct. Here in Australia we have fixed that ecu problem and it’s like a completely different bike. Pickup has improved through all gears. CFMOTO heard about it and kept in contact with the Gus doing it and liked what they did. I believe KTM are also looking at the new ecu as well.
What’s cool about this bike is you can do updates using your phone. I thought I heard there was a fueling update available???
And there is an updated model out(maybe not in the us) that has traction control ect
The things that make this bike stand out from the Japanese competition are it’s tubeless spoked wheels(which all adv bikes should have) and the nice looking headlight/fairing/front end, which the Suzuki and Honda are both lacking
Hi Ian, thank you for reviewing this CFmoto. I just recently became aware of this brand and bought a 450ss which has been great. But, my interest in adventure bikes is growing, and I would love to see more of the middleweight bikes at this price point. I would definitely consider this bike, but I think they will get better for offroad versatility in a couple years.
In Europe we now get an updated 800MT Explore Edition wich has the surging issue completely resolved, has TC, 6 ride modes, lane assist, rear crash radar, MMI 8 inch screen with Apple CarPlay, better suspension. You should try that when it comes to the US. I'd say it is the best bang for buck adv motorcycle currently on the market anywhere in the world.
sounds awesome
Thank you for this traditionally exceptional review. Speaking as a young-minded geezer, this bike appears to be the perfect value-laden bike to transition to from a much heavier cruiser that I currently ride. And cruise control is not a feature that comes with many bikes at that price point. My wrists will thank me, to be sure. Thanks again.
Well said!
So far out all the reviews on yhis bike you are the only one I can think of has mentioned the Jerky throttle at low speed.. great video Ian love you reviews.. you are brutally honest
Glad to help!
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At the time I was purchasing a bike, this bike was not in shops in my area. After all was said and done, I ended up purchasing a 2023 KTM 890 adventure. Purchasing the KTM was reminiscent of purchasing my BMW R1200 GS….getting nickeled and dimed for every feature I wanted. Even though more expensive, I believe I would still choose the KTM over the IBEX 800T.
I appreciate how thorough you are.enjoy the ride.
I appreciate that!
I really want this bike but I’m waiting for Explorer edition which has traction control and blind spot detection. The throttle mapping is being revised with software updates and continues to improve. There as also an overheating bug that has now been resolved, again with a software update. Which I believe will be the main issue owners will experience. The hardware is known and should not be a concern but the software is a little unrefined but is improving which would give me confidence. The only other thing I would do is look over the bike very carefully just to make sure everything is tightened correctly and don’t be concerned if there is some coolant that leaks out (people have remarked that it had been over filled).
I would not hesitate to buy one of these bikes. WHY. Legacy auto makers bikes/cars/vans have given me nothing but shit for the last 10 years.
I'd buy one. Based on what I've heard from many owners and testers, it's a great bike. Plus, with all you get for the price, you can't beat it. Cruise control, heated seat and grips, engine protection, center stand, etc. If I were in the market for a new bike, this would be high on the list.
If KTM/Husqvarna didn't exist with their big lead on traction control features and the low-slung tank design, I would seriously consider this over other Japanese or Euro offerings. I may still choose the Tuareg 660 over this but that would come solely from the Tuareg being (arguably) the best in class for small-midsize ADVs (ie, not 900s), which I was really looking for as a newer rider who was new to dirt.
The Husky 901 sold me because of the software and tank design, making it a much less intimidating bike despite the fact that it has ridiculous power (the high-power was somewhat appealing as it would help keep me interested longer term and be more comfortable on long highway trips through the mountains). I guess KTM has the low tank idea patented because I don't know why more manufacturers aren't going that direction for these already tall, top heavy bikes.
I look at the ibex and KTM. Decided on the 901 also. Got a good deal so I had to pull the trigger. Not really much more I could want from a bike
I imagine the KTM reliability issues have not been an issue? Just curious. Thanks
We all know the throttle control could adjusted through a piggyback system. But, for the first time out of the chute this bike offers an alternative to the current crop of overpriced adventure bikes. Great early review, thanks!!
Many new bikes now have locked ECUs and a piggyback tuner will not work.
Great point!
You can update the ecu using a smart phone there is an update for the fueling.
@@IAmYourReflectionI'd like to read more about this, would you have a link to that?
I rode a few different of the 800 Ts at a ride event. I wanted to make sure it wasn't just one bike over the other. I had the same conclusion. The fueling is off. I mentioned it to the ride organizers for CF Moto and they tried to play it down. But I definitely noticed it. I have viewed several other videos saying the same thing about fueling. I hope they get it fixed. Additionally, I would want a taller windshield and wider too. I was very tempted, but just couldn't pull the trigger.
Not only was I willing try one I bought one. It’s a blast and super comfortable.
I've owned the Adventura 650 for a year now and have put 15,000 highway miles on it. I've been pleased so far. I'll probably upgrade to the IBEX next year. I think you get a lot of bike for the money with a CF Moto. I'd love to have a Versys 1000, but I'd much rather keep the extra 10K in my pocket.
I just bought the 2023 cf Moto ibex 800 s For $9,400. I have about 1700 miles on it so far. it does have some issues with the engine noise at idle it is a little loud for me also the fueling is twitchy at low speeds and my other grIpe is the engine heat from the engine On hot days it hits you on your knees and shins. I have had an issue with the MCU or ECU failure light coming on a couple of times but turns off when riding in hot conditions stop and go traffic this keeps you from scrolling back and forth through your TFT screen menu. I've heard this can be fixed with a software upgrade from CF Moto Also I heard it is caused by the radiator fan not functioning correctly. So far I like the ibex 800 s I haven't taken off road yet other than a short gravel road it's pretty smooth and I have the stock maxis street tires on it. So far I'm pretty happy with my purchase I'm looking forward to the aftermarket accessories and parts to come out. There are some Chinese aftermarket parts out there but not a lot other than CF Moto which are not cheap. No sure what the long term reliability will be? I've seen people on youtube with 5000 miles with no problems other than MCU failure and the surging at slow speeds. I think if you are on a Budget and your in the market for a middle weight adv motorcycle this is a good bike. Is it a BMW , triumph tiger or a Africa twin? No! I just moved up from a klr 650 definitely a step up especially the 95hp and the options you get. Hopefully I'll get many more smile miles from the CF Moto 800 ibex. Great video review on the Cf Moto ibex 800t there are pros and cons with this motorcycle. All I can say is go test ride one and see for yourself if you like it.
Jason, may I ask where you got yours? if I could find a deal like yours I'd buy too!
I bought mine in Joplin, Missouri at pitbull power sports.
@@jasonpannett1325still satisfied?
Ian, you really got the point about this motorcycle. It is a great highway motorcycle and after having it for around 3 months I would buy another one if the fuelling is fixed for sure. @cfmoto, please fix the fuelling asap and let everyone know.
23/24 model has more updates, more ride modes, traction control, also fixed the fuelling issue
I watch your content ( top of the charts ) virtually for free, so you asked a direct question, impolite not to answer. I would consider & maybe purchase this bike, though I don't know where. Might regret it, used to Japanese reliability & availability. Feature laden for sure, good looking, but my V-Strom is still hitting the right mark.
For that kind of money, I’d be cross shopping a used, fully kitted pre 2020 Africa Twin
Tnx Ian, great review as Always. 3 time no-go on my watch: surging issue, Cruise control issue, quickschifter issue.😭
Bear Butte in the background! The first year of Get On! I stayed in the first cabin right behind you on the corner, awesome view of the butte!
Seriously considering this bike for my larger ADV, but I wasn’t able to check it out during the fest this year.
I don't see myself going down the CFMOTO road for some time. There are things I like about their bikes... and things I don't; Ian always does a very nice job covering that stuff in his pieces. Price is appealing. But, I spend long hours in the saddle and sometimes wander long distances in random routes; so, dealer network and known reliability is a big deal and I typically keep to Honda and Yamaha for that type of riding. Ergos are very important to me, too. I hope CFMOTO continues to grow and improve and I'll keep an eye on them for now. (I noticed we didn't get the long shot ergo set up/leg position usually in these reviews... no camera stand, perhaps)
Any KTM place can work on these, it's a 790 adventure frame and engine
Always watch till the end, your videos are fantastic!
thanks!
Thanks for doing the drop/lift test, it's an important thing to know that most other reviewers seem to hesitate to do.
First one! Been waiting for this review.
Somebody needs to take one of these on a 15K mile jaunt to Alaska. Do the Dalton, Dempster - the full monty and then report back.
I was also interested in this machine because I really liked the look and the rich equipment. Unfortunately, the service network for this brand is very thin here in Germany.... the dealer was also not very communicative and also rejected the trade-in of my Voge 500DS because there were allegedly only problems with it (had not a single problem in 2 years and have also never heard anything)..... finally I bought a Moto Guzzi V85TT from a very very friendly and competent dealer and am happy with it
I’m trying to decide between the V85tt or the CFmoto. Any advice or thoughts would be appreciated.
9:16 bars are pretty easy to understand actually _(as well as others _*_International System of Units_*_ quantities)_
1 bar = 1 atm = 100,000 Pa - default atmospheric pressure at sea level
2.2 bar - default pressure for car or bike tyre
6-8 bar - road bicycle, 25C tyre
150 bar - argon/oxygen/co2 - gas cylinders
if you download app and make update it will sort out the fueling.
@BigRockMoto. Here in Greece CF Moto is selling a lot of these bikes (800 MT is named) with dealers in every major city and with its price (9900Euros~10700USD) is a fair bike (but with unknown reliability). In order to compare KTM 790 costs (11750Euros~12700USD). If Chinese brands want they should provide reliable bikes and i suppose they will.....
This bike is a big seller here in Greece (it's called cfmoto 800mt here). It has really low price and is full of tech. The spec sheet looks great but in reality the bike has a big issue. The fueling is terrible. I suppose the problem has to do with emmisions. You are basically forced to change the fuel mapping and lose warranty.
After the change the bike is actually ok. Decent tourer, mediocre on road and pretty bad off road. It would be worth the price tag if it ever sorted out the fuelling.
P.s. Could you do a review of the new voge dsx 525, a bike which after riding it, i consider it to be the best bargain of the motorcycle world right now?
The fuelling issue has been sorted with a free download from CFM (no tampering or lost warranty) and the remaining issue in this video is just constant throttle at 3k rpm or 20km/h in first gear. The vast majority of riders will never experience that.
The new version has soooo much more features such as : Wireless carplay (1st motorbike in the world with it), rear radar with blind spot warnings, emergency flashing lights etc. which makes it the most features riche bike at this price point.
I currently own a KTM 390 ADV but was on the lookout to replace my Yamaha FZS1000 for two up touring. Came across one of these in my local KTM dealer (KTM are the distributor here in the UK) I didn’t know anything about cf Moto but recognised the motor. I was shocked at what great value for money this bike is. cf Moto are including the aluminium luggage in with the price as a promotion. I’ve owned this bike for 1 week now and so far I’m super impressed. I agree with all of your comments. Hopefully the low speed fuelling issue will be dealt with by software updates at some point. I’m also looking to replace the screen probably with a puig screen with adjustable wind deflector. I’ve also got an issue with the mirrors moving in the wind, the dealer has said they will replace at 1st (600 mile) service but I feel that I may need to look at alternatives such as double take mirrors. Really enjoyed your review of this bike 👍🏻
You should have tested the new 800MT Explore, in Portugal it is the best CF Moto that you can buy at the moment, a lot of technology and with improvements in the driving maps. Good videos as always.
The adventure is not available in the US
they amkin soon
for all the options its insane for the price seems like a good deal if you like adventure bikes
Off topic a bit....But I ADORED your old homestead, what with the setup, ample driveway, garage, mountainous terrain, and such. 🥰
Haven't gotten a great view of your new digs yet....but I am wondering if you miss it??
The only sketchy thing I saw was the exit onto the blind road.
Great test, as usual, Ian.
You have some of the best reviews, thank you. You REALLY need to do and independent on. HD Pan Am. Please.
To answer your question... would I purchase one? I would have to say no for the following reasons. I currently ride a dual sport (DRZ400s) and am looking to upgrade to something with more range. I like the fact that my DRZ doesn't have any traction control, or rider modes, and 90% of my riding is in the dirt here in interior Alaska. So my inclination for upgrade model is still leaning towards a T7. As then I could still handle the rougher trails, but have the additional range to get to more far reaching ones without buzzing my hands numb (like I do with my DRZ on longer pavement trips using aggressive D606 tires). And yes I understand my tires are part of that issue .. but man are they great on the trails.
“To keep up with traffic I need to do 90mph, here” as he’s passing the only vehicle in sight. 😂
I’ve dealt with a lot of Chinese made aftermarket parts for cars and not been impressed. It’s basically a finicky European motor in a finicky Chinese motorcycle. If I wanted finicky I’d buy a Tuareg ‘cause at least it’s sexy. At the end of the day I wanted reliable so I bought a Tenere.
these can go longer also more comf tenere has no range or comfort
This bike is very good looking and well equipped within this price bracket however they need to work on its ride quality for sure. I still think they need to lower the price to get more buyers on board as it is to near to better mainstream bikes. Would be interesting to know the price of one in China no doubt a lot less than we’re paying? Thanks for the review much appreciated 👍
Moving mine. A software update really helped with the surging. Also the throttle reset helps. I replaced my windshield and it is perfect. It would be nice for you to do a follow up review. Also I think lower gearing would help for off road.
Test rode this bike twice about a month ago, once in sport mode, once in Rain.
Two things killed it for me.
1) at low speeds, low gears, the throttle response was very on/off, jerky, twitchy.
2) indicator switch had zero tactile feedback, I constantly had to check the dash to see if I had done what I wanted to.
I could live with number 2, number 1 was a deal killer.
If they could fix those two things it would be worth the money. If you could live with the inevitably bad resale value anyway.
Hopefully they can fix the few issues and I can pick up a used one in a few years
Nice to hear from someone who has been on many ADV bikes.
My opinion on cfmoto in general is that if they're going to offer cheap Chinese made bikes, then they need to be actuality inexpensive. Otherwise, if they want to compete evenly with the rest of the market, then they need to make them better.
Your flaw is labeling them "cheap Chinese" when the goal is parity with all other brands. As others have commented that own the 450ss and other models, many of their models are already as good or better than the competition. And their prices are still cheaper with that matching or better quality. I've seen the 300NK and 700 CL-X i person, and they have just as good fit and finish as anyone with their own style. Sure beats HD selling bikes for top $ but having little to no horsepower and outdated tech....
@@ws8080 We have evidence to the contrary in this very video that they aren't up to par with their intended competitors. Inadequate rear suspension and poor fueling off the top of my head. I'm afraid you've failed to sway me.
Thanks for testing this bike. Would like to see 450mt review too. I heard they fixed fueling with software download
Question for everyone.
I have a Honda NC750X brand new, 2023 DCT. It's high on refinement, low in features. I am interested in touring (and don't need more power). Would you recomend to accesorize the NC or swap for a MT ? I did a test drive with the NC, exacly my thoughts. Low refinement, lots of small issues.
I think it’s a great looking bike !!
Flat screens, menus, connectivity, rider modes, ESC, quick shifters, ABS, cruise control, radar. All very nice, but where's the air con and the roof?
Radar??
@@akorkmaz074 yep, adaptive cruise control and blind spot monitoring systems use radar.
@@kalaharimine except adaptive cruise control you are right.
I mean, for a couple thousand more than a KLR 650 and a thousand less than a Tenere 700 (real pricing) seems like a good purchase for long distance touring, especially if you're like me and been riding a Gen 1 KLR for years and years as a pseudo ADV Tourer.
Ian
Great review. I think for the budget price there's some dollar room for some fixes to make the bike whatever you want. Yeah, it's Chinese but so are BMW's, other KTM's and other manufacturers medium range bikes. Well done Sir with no scathing comments from me or my Mannequin.
Ride SAFE and BE safe Ian! 👍👍
looks like an adventure tour cruiser? The pull back on those bars is crazy...
Nice Bike. Straight up,to be honest. I've i got the amount of euros in my pocket, then I go for the Norden 901.
1 bar is like 1 time our atmospheric pressure and is 100000 pascal which is newton per square meter. It is metric so very easy to calculate with or to convert. In car and motorcycle tires we put like 2 or 3 bar, in a bicycle tires from 3 to 6 or even 8 bar on tubes. PSI is not a standard but when grown up with those numbers in your head when talking about tyre pressure I can imagine it might seem easier. BTW, your video is excellent and thorough.
I'd really like to see your review of the explore model mostly due to the tft and to test if the rear alarm system works or if it's a gimmick. Another one from them that I hope you get yourd hands on is the 800NK, craaazy bike
I’m interested in the explore model.
Great bike ❤
To answer your question, I considered the CFmoto a few months ago when I saw pictures on the web. I was in the market for a twin cylinder adv bike but I checked and there were no dealers in a reasonable distance from my home. I rejected an Aprilia Tuareg for the same reason. I ended up with a Norden Exp.
we are at a very start point of making motocycles, there were litteraly no domestic-brand bikes to choose like 6 years ago when I start to ride, only 125 cc commuter bikes all around in the countryside.I'm very happy we are chacthing up these years, but I would say there is still a long way to go. thanks for your review on CF800T, I watched your DL1050 review 2years ago and bought a XT version myself, and I ride it to do a test ride on the CF800T, both bikes are touring orinted, I thought the DL1050 feels easier to handle with higher seat height and heavier weight.
Yes I would, for the features it provides
Give them a couple of years, they will grow fast. But they need customers' feedback to improve, that's important.
I would buy one as I don't plan on any sort of off-road stuff. For that, at that price, it's hard to beat.
I think I'd consider buying one if all other options were sold out. It would be tough though if an Aprillia
Toureg were available. I think that at the same price as a T7 and Toureg, The Ibex loses. If it were priced significantly less than the competition, I'd give it a look. It will definitely not replace my '17 Africa Twin though.
It is priced well below the comp. T7 and Touareg are not comparable. They are legit off road 21 in tire big travel bike. This is a sport-adventure tourer. It’s more comparable to the tiger 850 sport and 900 gt pro. Has way more features than the 850 sport and about the same as the gt pro. Gt pro is above 16500. So 6k less.
Also, there are many more cfmoto dealers across the USA compared to Aprilia.
@@DubuqueDude good point
@@Adventure_blacbet its Chines quality is 6000$ less
After watching yours an others like Ozark Backroads it’s on my watch list. Thank you for your always good content.
I was hoping for a better review off road. Other reviewers have only tested the pavement, which like you said, a good touring bike.
Sat on both the Ibex and the 800DE. Really liked the feel of the Ibex and it’s $1000 cheaper. As you said on the Suzuki 800DE review,if it only had cruise control.
So it looks like this review is going to cost me an extra thousand, but at least I’ll know what I’m getting.
Keep looking. There's a video of an Aussie flogging this bike in the bush.
I looked at these, felt like it was top heavy and tippy, fit and finish was ok, not great not bad just ok. Personally I was a bit worried about parts availability down the road, for several reasons. Being a new offering and first step in the market I feel like there will be changes coming soon that will limit parts support in the future, short model run usually means short parts runs. Low speed off into some brush, may not be able to get parts kind of stuff. Also other reasons to not be able to get parts from China are possible. I also considered if I want to change some of the accessories will there be aftermarket support? I think for those who just want a turn key one and done out the door bike it is a lot of bike for the money, for those who like to tinker and keep bikes for years it may not be the best. I do own a CF Moto 800XC four wheeler and have been perfectly happy with it so far.
"chassis" is the metal frame which is identical to the KTM/Husqvarna norden frame, J Juan brakes are owned by Brembo/ktm.
are the bag supports, for just the factory equipment (hard Bags) and do they offer larger bags for the bike?
I’d love to see this bike in five years time with 50,000 miles on the clock.
Only it won’t do 50,000 miles. It’ll be in a supermarket somewhere wrapped round some baked beans.
Many people here in Balkan have already more than 100000 km on the clock
u cant do 50k
rat psy
Good fair review, seems the engine is great apart form the fueling, the rest of the bike not too bad! Cheap as chips if we're honest. Not sure if I'd be brave enough to buy one!
I have this bike and I really like it. There IS a surging at certain rpms but that is something I have learned to get use to (hopefully can get a fix with an app update). I mainly use mine on road and Love Love Love it and all the features! My off roading consists of mainly dirt roads once in a blue moon. So for me the bike fits my needs perfectly. And what you get for the price point would be hard to get in any other bike. I only use 6th gear in the highway. More of a cruising gear for me. Thanks for the review.
After yours an Arkansas Backroads, I’m going to watch it for the next yr or 2. But it’s on my list. Thank you you put out great content.
Like all Chinese products - they look sooo good from the outside.
My wife and i just a couple of minutes ago , saw a guy in his bike being rear ended by a car. He was thrown towards a telephone post and smashed his upper body . His helmet was on one side his left boot on the other, full of screaming pain. Blod coming out of his nose. We stayed close to him trying to give him as much confort as we could until the ambulance came. I´m 53 now ,and been on a bike for 34 years with small fails. But if you ask me today if i would buy a new bike, my answer is definitely a no no . They are beautiful (bikes),but what i saw today shocked me ...and changed my mind. You brave guys take care.
lok behind n keep distanc go to side
Having an Ibex for an extended 2 week demo then comparing it to the Suzuki 800 after a 1 week demo… the Ibex is a far better value for the money especially considering the included features, crash bars, cruise control, heated seat/grips, quick shifter, tubeless wheels .. etc compared to the Suzuki…in Suzuki’ s ‘win” category is a slightly better build quality, engine note and dealer network… but comparably priced to the Ibex, you’d have to throw $3k if not more at the Suzuki to have similar features… both windscreens suck. neither bike comes with hard cases so that another $1500+.. Fueling issue with the Ibex I demo’d was a non issue because it had been remapped…
A central Florida CFMoto dealership quoted and OTD prices of $13,500, without the factory hard cases… that’s another $1500..
So which bike would I buy apples to apples?…. for an additional $500 over the price of the Ibex(with 3 hard cases) …I went with the 2023 MotoGuzzi V85TT Adventure….and the MotoGuzzi dealer threw in a factory taller windscreen and center stand….
I was thinking this would make a decent tourer with some soft-roading on the side, but for that I'd rather have a Guzzi. Hope you're liking yours. Although the CF's heated seat is tempting...
@@russellborn515
what the MG offers is soul, character and personality..everything that Germany, Austria and the far east are sorely lacking... as for heated seats or grips...kinda gimmicky because if it's that cold...throw on your gloves, which will negate and heat from getting to your hands rendering the heated grips useless... same applies for a heated seat... my GSA has heated grips... essentially worthless... heated gloves work much better... if you can deal with 6 miles of wires !..
I too am considering the V85TT Travel or Guardo D'oNore but I too am
worried about MG reliability.
Berzerker - you don't know what you're talking about. Heated grips work very well with winter gloves AND Grip Puppies! Maybe a few min longer to heat up but they work great.
The gap in 4000 RPM is the price to pass the EURO5 emission regulations..
I bought one. Has about 4700 miles on it now. So far I love the bike. My only gripe is the same as yours and CFMoto needs to fix that low RPM fueling problem. It does it for me in any gear between 2500 and 3000 rpms
I am happy with my mt800 but I rang the dealer and asked if they have had any feedback about fueling issues and they said No. Makes me wonder now that I know it is not just me.
Did you try the mapping reset mentioned above in a previous comment? (Turn the key don’t start, full throttle for 60 seconds, then start).
Great assessment! Please do the 450MT when you get a chance - that’s my choice until they come out with a 450 scrambler. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I was about to buy one of these, but thankfully I bought Tenere 700 World Raid.
I’m say at psi is silly, but bar is a very practical pressure measure unit!
The SI-unit of coarse is pascal (N/m²) or Pa, and the atmospheric pressure is around 100 000 pascals. The Pa is often an impractical unit because of the very high number, so 100 000 pascal is also called 1 Bar, which is very close to 1 atmosphere, which is very close to 1 kg/cm².
So just think of pressure in terms of atmospheres!
About 2 atmospheres (+/- 60% os so) is typical for motorcycle tires. Twice the atmospheric pressure.
So… 100 000 pa = 1 Bar ~ 1 kg/cm² ~ 1 atmosphere.
Very simple, very practical, very logical.
PS. Great review, as always!
Here in Italy CF moto is not so popular. The 600cc model with 17” wheel is more popular though. It was 24th in sales last year. By comparison the Teneré was 3rd
That bike here in Colombia costs $18,800 dollars, it sure is better to buy an X desert that costs about $19k here.... prices are ridiculous here