Do I Still Love my 2023 KTM 890 Adventure after 6 Months? (EP.3)
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
- 6 months ago, I bought the 2023 KTM 890 Adventure (base model!) and made some bold claims. Was I right, or wrong? Also, I show the modifications and accessories I've added. #motorcycle #advrider #adv #dualsport #ktm
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04:42 Reliability?
08:06 Suspension Mods
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13:00 Tires
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Got Norden 901 Expedition and have NO regrets.
Thanks for your hard work!
If I was (which is unlikely, I generally prefer larger bikes as I don't go off road much). Probably the Ducati Multistrada V2 S or Desert X, Triumph tiger 900, Honda Africa Twin, or Norden 901/KTM 890 in around that order.
Maybe the Tiger 900 or the Aprilia 660 but I'm still wanting the sweet 500cc, light weight, comfortable ADV unicorn that I've been chasing all these years.
The V-Strom 800DE looks extremely interesting but the lack of cruise control almost kills it. My hand hurts when having to keep it in the same position hour after hour.
I am down to two models to choose from - this one and the Tuareg. I rented the KTM 890 Adventure (S) in Colorado and rode all over the place, on and off road, and the bike performed flawlessly. I am still looking at the Tuareg - 1. because it's cheaper and 2. Its weight is lower down and it's the lightest of the middleweights. Ian - besides the suspension being better on the Tuareg, what's your gut tell you between the two? I am worried about reliability on both of them LOL.
As someone who's not ridden regularly for 20 years, but hoping to get back into it, I really enjoy your channel and content. So much has changed. So thanks!
Awesome, thank you!
Same here. Bought an 07 honda 450x. I felt like i was 16 again, right up to the point i got flung off and broke my leg. But i still had a smile on my face. Just got back to work today after 7 weeks of healing and plan to get back on as soon as soon my wife is looking the other way 😂
Yeah... I'll go with Tenere 700
I sold my 2014 120GS with 95K miles and bought a 2021 KTM 890 Adventure R and road it for 10K miles and sold it to buy another BMW 1200GS. I found the 890 suspension high speed damping way too harsh and had it revalved a couple times and still to harsh. Power and handling is was outstanding and no mechanical problems. buffeting was horrible and tried several options and cheap eBay deflector helped. Seat sucked and got a Sargants. Ultimately I'm 72 and found the 890 harder to pick up than BMW as the KTM lays flat and the BMW eats miles better. at 72 I'm not getting crazy off road!
Should have gotten the 2023 basic KTM 890 Adventure not the R version, or even better Husqvarna Norden 901. They are better suited for the road, better comfort and handling, while being behind the R on offroad.
@@ionescugeorge2003 Your right, but at 72 the GS just works better for me.
thanks Ian , great reiew. i relly appreciate the fact that you can admit a mistake in a decision that the costs in upgrading the suspension was a mistake. (for you) . We all make mistakes ,but many cant admit it. its very helpful in helping us in not making the same costly mistake. your honesty and integrity help make your channel the go to spot for bike reviews!! imho
Another great video as usual. Was worried you weren't going to post additional episode after you upgraded to the R. Thanks so much for the added insight. After almost endless turmoil reseraching my next bike, I kept coming back to the 890 for many of the reasons you stated, even despite the potential reliability issues. Was torn between the Tiger, Vstrom, Taureg, but ultimately chose the KTM. I am so impressed by the power, how it handles, the low center mass is awesome and just sticks to any surface I've ridden. I'm going to use the CRF300 as my project bike, still love riding it as well. Thanks Ian for expertise!
Best Bike ever, i own the R Modell now 35000km with zero issues and 100 percent fun
Thank you for being honest about the suspension path and upgrade assessment. Shows integrity.
Thanks for recommending the Cool Cover Seat. I was a bit dubious about it but it really does work. Saved my butt on a 3 hour ride in Dallas this weekend in 110 degree heat! My only issue was the velcro straps were sewn into wrong location on my version. Nothing a couple of staples couldn't fix.
Hey Ian, I bought that bike at the beginning of the year, and my turn signals stopped working after a 20 mile ride home from the dealer. After much wasted time they ended up replacing the whole wiring harness to fix it. Also it has a loose steering head bearing. The bike is great when it works. I still only have 600 miles on mine. Thank you for your content!
I'd get the left control cluster looked at by the dealer. Mine had a pinched cable, which affected the turn signal. My dealer was excellent and had caught this before I took delivery and changed it out immediately. I have 6000km on my 2023 890 non-r. It's an excellent compromise bike. Few cold start issues, but changing to midgrade fuel and allowing the fuel pump to 'click off' once keying the bike on, seems to have gotten rid of any issues with cold start. I'm using the Motoz GPS rear and Motoz Rallyz front. We do tons of gravel travel.
My wish...KTM should make an adventure chassis version of the 690 with side gas tanks.
Thanks Ian!
I have a 2019 Husky 501 I’ve kitted for my dual sport rides. It’ll go 80mph on the highway and once offroad it’s so easy to go nearly anywhere. I also rode a KTM 890 on road in the Swiss, German and Italian Alps this last summer. Friend was on a GS and I had now problems keeping up with him. Now I’m considering an 890R, and your honest review is giving me the confidence to move forward on that decision. Thanks for this. I’m 63 and maybe I want to spend more time on roads and fire trails than the technical stuff. But I’m still keeping the Husky! 😮
This is the benchmark for almost every other motorcycle review you make, and for good reason. I bought mine because you kept mentioning it all the time. Best bike I've ever owned. Commuting and dirt roads and unmarked logging trails, this thing is a monster everywhere. I'm 150lb so the suspension is plenty for me. Thanks for the content
NOW convince me to buy a drz400
Lol - I have the DRZ400s and if you want simple, super reliable, apacolypse ready, dirt worthy but limited on the street, it's great.
Thanks for the link Ian. I wish it were for a more positive happy reason! Keep up your fantastically detailed and well-thought-out reviews.
Thanks, you too!
Thanks for the honest reviews, especially on the 890 adventure. I recently parted with my 08 DL 1000 that I bought new and decided to take it off road during COVID to places it had no business being. Almost zero reliability issues to that point - so knowing about KTM issues is important. I may still buy the 890 but at least I'm doing it eyes wide open. Just bought a BRM t-shirt to say thank you. Keep it up!
Great content thanks 🙏. I after nearly 7 years I sold my KTM 1290 SA T loved it. Picking up a brand new 890R this Saturday can’t wait !!!!
Great video, Ian. I had much the same concerns buying a KTM. Mine is a 22 model non-R. I’ve done around 2,200 miles and honestly it’s been excellent. The starting thing has happened on occasion but never more than a few moments before it’s running on both cylinders sweetly. It’s great on fuel with a safe range of 250 miles with my riding. I wouldn’t trust the range reading towards the empty mark, that said. KTM need to address seats (although I hear the later one is better (hardly difficult). I’d like indicators that show which direction which would help in bust towns. I hate the inability to save the headlamp on as a default instead the daytime light which, to me, isn’t enough to warn myopic drivers you’re there. It’s still way more fun that my GSA or ATAS, great bikes though they both are. Keep up the great work. Cheers, Ian
Thanks for explaining about the 890. Top-focused content, as usual. For people concerned about bikes with too much tech that may break, there is the DR650. It's about as pure and simple as a bike can get. The DR may still be competitive with modern bikes and not just the typical XR650/KLR the DR usually compares with.
Yep or the T7, I like to think of the T7 as a modern DR650, ultra reliable and minimal tech that will be around for many years and become an icon like the DR and KLR
Had a DR650 and it is a nice bike. Gas tank too small for adventure use. Bout my only complaint.
@@oakdalegirl57 I plan to upgrade to a bigger gas tank, comfortable saddle, and suspension to improve the bike in many ways.
Big fan; appreciate how thoughtful your reviews are Ian. At 6’7” 280# I tested many. Only the 890R fit my chassis and felt like the dirt bike I had as a kid. Knock wood no issues so far; took new delivery April 23
Great review much appreciated. KTM make some great bikes unfortunately reliability and dealer back up here in the UK are very questionable.
Great review. I have thought about selling my 2019 Adventure R and going with the Adventure model too. Turns out these bikes are too heavy for me for serious off road, so I can use my 500 EXC for that. But you can't beat the 790/890s for exploring and normal adventures.
My 890r is the best bike I have ever owned. Very dependable. 9000 flawless miles.
Reliability is number one on an adventure bike. Who wants a breakdown in the middle of nowhere
Which is a plus for the KTM as only major issue likely to leave you stranded is the immobiliser failure which usually happens within the first 500 miles of ownership if it's going to occur. Get that sorted and any other issues are just little niggles that allow you to carry on riding. ;)
@@defylifeadventure Rottweiller sells a bypass for that feature , which i did right away on my last few bikes as to eliminate that possible issue
@@defylifeadventure You mean like a broken rear shock? That never happens on a KTM or a Husky 🤔
@@northidrecluse2306 broken? Not heard of any break. Heard of some leaking fluid and getting sorted. IIRC a whole load o Huskys came from the factory with leaking shocks. If it happens on a trip though it doesn't leave you stranded. Still shit, if it happens buy you aren't stranded. On a new 790/890 I'd be more concerned about the immobiliser antenna.
@@defylifeadventure I read complaints all the time about the problems with most models. Enough to steer me away from buying one.
My local dealer is a dikweed too. It says, “Ready to Race” but I don’t have a pit crew to keep me on the track. Glad you like yours though
Great video! Have done 16.000 kilometers plus (ca 9942 miles) with mine (-23 standard). Only had two issues: engine conked out in rally mode once, around 10 000 kilometers. Bike just died. Started again right away with engine fault symbol. Rode normally thereafter. Two starts later, engine fault symbol gone. 6000 kilometers later, no repeats (software glitch?).
Cruise control doesn't like bike wash. CC cannot be activated for approx. 1hr. But then comes back. Clutch cluster replaced under warranty but it didn't help. Works fine when riding in rain. Else it's been fine. Considering the R but I'm less of an offroad rider than you. So might stick with it the standard, time will show. As for reliability well I am not so concerned. Before this I did 55 000 kilometers on a 2019 Super Adventure S with only one issue in 2yrs (starter clutch replaced under warranty). Had way more issues with beemers over the same period.
The 890 is the best option I've tried in the segment, with a considerable margin. Cheers and thanks for all your excellent videos! :)
I have a 22 Ktm Adv R Here’s my short take
Upon delivery my lead acid battery was bad, dealer replaced with upgraded battery no charge. Some people say the lead batteries were causing immobilizer issues, maybe true I don’t know.
After riding for 1 year approx 3200 miles, I’ve had these problems…
Cold start up. Dealer said reported problem goes away after break in period. I can confirm it has never gone away.
These issues dealer fixed under warranty
Rear shock leaking.
Moisture under screen.
Quick shifter. Hard down shift from 5th to 4th Dealer said needed a software update and no problems with that since.
Overall I love my bike! Yes there are few somewhat small annoyances I’ve experienced , but if you can work with your dealer to get them fixed the 890 adventure bikes are extremely fun to ride!
Thanks for all your motorcycle reviews Ian
We have had issues with the traction control on 2 of these bikes. We did a trip put to Colorado and rented one, and the traction control would "fail" and disable itself, a software issue that could sometimes be fixed by cycling the key. We liked the bike enough that my father bought one when we came back east, and have had the same issue. Another problem I had on my 890 out west was with the quickshifter, the bike would drop back into neutral after shifting into 2nd and sometimes third, which was alarming when passing traffic. It happened once while I was passing a truck and accidently banging off the rev limiter with no power was very scary.
I have 890 adventure 2022. I ride it pretty slow, but on a single track in Ontario, Canada . I've bottomed it and dropped it at least five times every time I took it to the trail. No problems whatsoever. Best bike ever
Great update thanks, I have the 22 model 890 adventure and done 2300 miles so far with only two issues, when I bought new the rear brake was binding I fixed myself, the other issue is wind buffeting which I’m still trying to solve, i have made it better from 100% buffeting down to 10%.
I changed the screen to the r model and. Bought some rubber c shape extrusion and stuck it either side of the screen from top to bottom, this speed’s the air flow over your head.
Great info, Ian. 3 years into a T7 & remain convinced it was the right choice for me. Yes, spent enough on aftermarket & getting suspension sorted to be in the KTM price range, but never wanted electronic wizardry & haven’t once worried about reliability. Software glitches on a motorcycle sound nearly oxymoronic to me & would definitely turn me off recommending any bike that has them.
Yeah, when I bought my T7 I thought about going for the 890, dealer had both, but couldn't pull the trigger. Think it was the right choice, don't need the headaches.
You know that the only electronic wizardry that the KTM has could leave you stranded is also the same electronics that the T7 has. i.e. an immobiliser which unfortunately the KTM has suffered some failures (my bike included). Other than that none of the electronic stuff can leave you stranded any more than it can on the Yamaha.
@@defylifeadventure the only immobilizer my T7 has is the side stand switch that got relocated to serve as a hidden manual one. Unaware if that’s changed on the newer models.
That & the abs switch make it one of the simplest modern bikes electronically speaking & what a lot of buyer decisions were based on. You’re unlikely to find many people agreeing KTM reliability is on par with Yamaha’s
cracking idea that ... the side stand switch
@@lessmore444
Well said. I am torn between 890 platform bikes at the moment, but still would love japanese reliability... There are a few things that if corrected on T7, all of my problems would be solved; like the exhaust / swing arm issue....
Ian, your timing for this video is perfect. I’m exchanging emails today with a KTM dealership so I’m looking forward to watching this (replying in ADHD fashion as I start streaming)
Recently bought the latest 790 Adventure. Would agree with all you say, but KTM skimp on brakes and silly things like self cancelling indicators, which for me are a must needed safety feature. These two things are a big issue for me.
Picking up my new 890 R tomorrow, can't wait! It was going to regular one, but fate would have me on an R instead. Getting it for the same price as the regular, so can't complain. Already got the Wings exhaust ready to install. Thanks for all your reviews and info on gear, thanks Ian, it's super helpful. Will be picking up some gear from your affiliate links too.
Ian A very nice and informative video as always ,a pleasure to watch.👌✌
Again a very honest review. Thank you for sharing all the issues.
Wow... you're knocking them out this week. Love your reviews 👏
Great update Ian, thank you! 👏😀👍🏍
I don´t comment often but this time after watching the whole video i have to. Your channel is pure GOLD!
Very honest review as always ian,thanks.
Im surprised to hear about your issues. I have a 2022 KTM 890S and although i havent put many miles on it, its been trouble free. For our African tour i purchased a used 2019 790R and had, and apart from an oil seal, slight leak of coolant and front shock seal replacement, i managed 16,000 trouble free kilometers. Its very good in the rough, and im selling it with 32,000 ks on the clock
Absolutely brilliant review Ian dad an I are looking at the 890s an Norden for our Norway trip :) great to see such honest reviews as its good to go in eyes open reviews like this will have more influence on me being prepared to buy an spend my money than the super infomercial vids that are unbalanced.
Keep up the awesome work (former 390 owners who rejected one each with issues)
I had an 890R. Made a lot of tweaks to it in an effort to make it a unicorn bike. In the end I sold it. I came to realise that for my abilities The 890R (and midsize ADVs) are jacks of all trades and masters of none. I found the bike to be just too big and heavy offroad. At the same time it wasn’t the most comfortable on road. I was fortunate enough to be able to sell it and purchase a 1290 super adventure S and a Honda CRF300L with upgraded Rally Raid suspension. For me the 1290 covers the bases for long distance and road touring with some light fire road riding and the 300 covers more adventurous (for me) riding and light weight touring.
awesome!
Ian, given all the software and mechanical glitches you mentioned, I'm not sure I could go with KTM. Doesn't sound dependable enough and don't want to worry about reliability when I'm 100 miles in the backcountry!
This was a great overview. I have the 790aR and its brilliant. I have ducks disease so if I ever swap it out it will be for the 890a as the lower seat height will be appreciated. But a well presented vid, thanks
I enjoy your videos. I am an Aussie with 28,000 klm on my 1999 790R (early adopter). I had the coolant leak (seemed to only do it for a little while on start up - now fixed). Never had any start up issues even camping out well below zero. No other issues with the bike - at all. It is my dirt tourer always with luggage. Had the first valve adjustment and everything was sweet - the oil is always clean. I keep hearing the negatives - you seem to be hearing them more than me. It is a tough bike and an absolute hoot to ride - I see no real reason to get the 890R. I suppose you always need to talk up the bling to make your $. Mine has few mods and I don't see the need for almost all the stuff you talk about.
Good video. Suggestion; I understand suspension feel may be hard to illustrate but things like brightness if aftermarket lights you can just show us.
Thanks for the honest review. It isn't often that you fill find a KTM owner who is honest about reliability.
Question: how does the stock Adventure suspension stack up to the stock T7? And modded vs modded since you recently owned both? Thanks
I love KTM performance, but the reliability keeps me from purchasing one. Also, my closest dealer in Nashville is an hour away. They don't seem to care about reliability and when you're adbventuring in the middle of nowhere, reliability is crucial.
Exactly why I went with the Transalp 750. I ride in mountains alone with no cell coverage, reliability is a must have for piece of mind and enjoyment 😦
I finally gave up on my ‘22 890 Adventure and traded it away. I experienced all the same problems you had as well as the obligatory coolant leak. I could never bring myself to trust it on a tour, just never knew what might glitch next. Something to try, I found if I cracked the throttle open about 3mm before cranking, and held it there until I saw engine temperature on the gauge, it wold start and run without stalling or running on one cylinder.
Ian your just a throwing out the new videos lately! I Like it!
I hit a little over 800 miles on my 2023 adv 890 R. I have the cold start issue, had a nasty fuel leak from the left tank petcock/fuel line. Dealer warranty it. I also get the turn signal screen for just a split second, but goes away. Doesn’t happen all the time. But I love how it rides and it’s got so much power for the trails.
I cant ever see me buying one, until they become more reliable, its a shame, because otherwise i think they make a really great bike.
I would still love to see a complete adventure bike kit for the 690. Lightweight and powerful. The svartpilen gets great reviews, so why is there no adv version?
Great as always thank you Ian. Do you have any thoughts on the cam issue these bikes have?
Be anxious to see what you say. Guessing you still love it, as it’s an amazing bike. I love my 901 Expedition.
BUT I flipped over just now from John Young’s 890 ADV R video and he’s had nothing but problems and I can assure you he hasn’t loved his ownership.
I linked to his video
@@BigRockMotoahhh very cool! As you know he still doesn’t regret it.
You’re the man Ian! Always looking forward to your next video and your experiences and opinions.
Keep up the fine work and be safe!
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Damn I've really been considering a Duke 890R but have stayed away because of videos like this. Come on KTM!
Ian, curious about the wind deflector you are using and if you had to mod the windscreen lip to get it to work. Also, what happened to the Wings slip on?
I have the 2023 890R, and after 6 months and 2500-mi, zero issues. The bike has been amazing for me so far, absolutely love it.
The big "problem" with your theory #2 is that many folks thinking of getting an 890 are convinced they're the target market (expert off road rider) of the R model LOL.
In the same vein, imo the standard 890 should come with a 19/17 wheelset. It will better serve the vast majority of owners better than the 21/18 setup.
With ~ 280,000 miles of LC8 ownership, I think the reliability of the big KTMs has been excellent. Here's my TOTAL list of failures:
- 950S- clutch slave, clutch- all within 30,000 miles. Clutch was my fault- got myself in a swamp situation that caused the wear
- 950SM- clutch slave/water pump/shaft seal, fuel pump- all with less than 20,000 miles- no more failures to almost 65,000 miles. Easy/inexpensive aftermarket solutions
- 950SE- fuel pump and water pump shaft/seal replaced before failure- nothing else in ~45,000 miles
- 990 Dakar- clogged fuel filter caused rough running; otherwise faultless in ~30,000 miles
- 990 Superduke- no issues ~25,000 miles
- 990 SMT- no failures_ 34,000 miles (still have)
- 1190 Adventure- weak starter and leaking fork seal replaced in under 15,000 miles- other no issues & currently ~63,000 miles (still have);
I know/knew/ride with a lot (well over a dozen) folks who own larger KTMs- most pretty good on/off road riders- and their experience parallels mine.
I get it- people have a compulsive need to bitch- especially in "public". I suspect that as aggravating as some things KTM does wrt letting design choice issues linger (950 fuel pump/wp shaft seal/clutch slave anyone lol), the underlying platforms are rock solid- especially when they're used to their potential.
And for the record- my Ducati/Italian/Moto Guzzi , even my Moto Morin Camel LOL, ownership has also been very good. As has my Japanese mc ownership.
On topic of suspension upgrade. If you look at the various KTM 890 Adventure R suspension forums / post, you'll see a lot of owners still have to get the WP Xplor suspension re-valved and tuned. So that's another $1,000 at least.
I am strongly thinking to replace my 1290 SAR with this. Nothing wrong with my 1290, but I find that as I get older I do not anymore have the energy or power to move the bigger bike around.
I really like my Norden Expedition so far even though I've had the occasional cold start issue as well. The suspension is golden on the Expedition. Heading to Black Hills bdr-x next week with it.
Me too man! Got 5200 miles on my Expedition and love it! Wish I could make the black hills.
Enjoy and be safe! 🏍️💨
My suspension broke after 4000 miles on the expediition😢
@boesetobias how? Broke or cooked the rear shock? It's the same basic suspension from the 890r.
I really wish a Japanese manufacturer would step up and make something comparable to the ktm 890.
I refuse to buy a ktm with all the known reliability and tech gremlin type issues.
But it’s also hard to buy a bike like a tenere or a vstrom 800 that doesn’t quite have everything you want in a bike. Frustrating.
Basically I want a ktm 890 adventure r …. But built by Yamaha. I’d happily pay thousands more then the current price of the ktm just to have the quality of Yamaha on a bike with those features ,
Same lol ...I heard about a T900 🤷
The cold start and warm up from cold is a lot better (not perfect) with a cat bypass. I put the Arrow Cat Bypass/remove on my R and I find it runs so much better, has more power, sounds better, and the cold start is so much easier. I find I only have to hit the start button once or twice to get her started in the morning now, before it took four or five times and it would quit a lot when it was cold. I do notice the unburned fuel smell now when it is cold though. Maybe that helps someone. It just runs so much better. Plus the cat weights six pounds and some change and the bypass weights less than a pound. I bet the titanium models are even lighter.
Great honest review, thank you. As great as this bike seems coming from a Honda I couldn't deal with the reliability issues from this unfortunately
FWIW, the XT2 has a different connector which is a bit of a bummer if you share the Zumo between multiple bikes (I do this). It is, however, a decidedly nice upgrade. The Tread app is pretty sweet and the syncing of tracks built in the app to the device is reliable and useful when out on the trail.
I like your videos,and wathced a lot of them before I purchased a Honda Africa Twin. Just got back from Colorado on a really rough trial. I love this bike. I didn't go the KTM route because of things you had mentioned. I almost went with the BMW 850. I always wondered after getting this bike what you were talking about in terms of power? This thing seems to have a lot of power to me?
I bought a base model 2021 890 recently after watching these videos. It sucks off-road, it's heavy and bottoms out on the most basic terrain. Lol. Great for backroads or street riding though.
hey Ian great video , some very good points made , i have a month ago up graded to a KTM 690 enduro R , which coming from a ktm 390 and a 250exc two stroke , im really enjoying it so far , it seem a good all rounder for my riding i do now , its a lot cheaper than the 890 and lighter too,. just fitted a Storm slip on . which now it sounds and runs a little better , next mod is the fuel dongle to richen the low revs , ill keep you informed on how that goes , keep up the good work say gooday to Dork for me cheers Steve/ Australia
Great update. I have owned a 2016 Super Adventure for the past 2 months but it has been in the shop so many times that I am likely to sell it. Reliability is a real concern. So no more KTM, Husqvarna, Gas Gas or CFMoto. Looks like its back to Triumph for me. It's a real shame as the 1290 has a wonderful motor when it doesn't sound like a sewing machine and the warning lights aren't flashing.
I have 18k trouble free miles on my 2019 790. Checked the valves at 15k no need to adjust, all within specs. I have a 2016 KTM 690 so i figured why bother with the R. I figured if I’m riding off road (not talking about FSR or dirt/gravel roads) I have three other bikes, (two KTMS and one Beta) that can out do the 890 R with me on them any day of the week.
Try the Shinko 705s. I’ve used them on a DR650, Super Tenere 1200, KTM 1190 and on my second set for my KTM 790. I get over 6k from the rear and last set I bought cost me $225 delivered to my door. They are great on pavement and as good or better than TKC 70s on dirt roads and gravel.
For me, I ride the Ducati Hyperstrada 939, 210kg full load with 113bhp, with mostly on-road usage, this KTM ADV890 is the most fun between the big bog GS and smaller cc engine.
It’s just balancing between the speed and utility on and off the road, plus you can drop free as many parts available from almost anywhere.
I say you can never go wrong with it just bare in mind that you know motorcycles stuffs and some mechanical knowledge so that you can get the best out of any motorcycle you own
Very good, thorough review as usual.
Best mod is to de-cat and get a new muffler. I also think the best skid plate is the Black Dog skidplate. Super robust.
after almost 8k km i don't regret buying Norden Expedition. Cold start issue disapears after 1,5-2k km. Now always start with no problem. No problem with electronic either.
And how versatile this platform is amazes me. From asphalt tourer to dirt machine.
Great video! I would love if you could get your hands on a Norden Expedition. I know you had the original Norden which was not the best experience. I am between this bike (base model) and the Expedition. My main concern is reliability coming off years of Japanese bikes. But, these are more appealing spec wise to me. Thanks!
I really like that bike. However, I am still loving my Super Tenere after 5 years. I have ridden the mid size ADV bikes and anything over 450lbs is darn heavy. Still that 890 is a really well built machine for what it is. I would not get aggressive off road on any of these beasts.
Great review. I’m still going to keep my GS though I did buy a 350s for the knarly rides.
great choice
I so badly want an 890 but I really don't want to deal with the QC issues. The Facebook pages for the 890 platform (Husky and KTM) are non stop issues. I'm part of all the mid weight adv pages and I dont see the level of issues and complaints, not even close.
I always enjoy your Adventure bike reviews, well balanced opinions are a breath of fresh air ! However, I find it interesting when ‘reviews’ talk about the ‘Dark art’ of ‘suspension’. It’s a no-brainer to me that if a bikes suspension ‘bottoms out’ often then this is causing great damage to your bikes suspension, seals, steering head, wheels and tyres. What’s the point of forcing a ‘road biased’ bike to do ‘off road’ riding ? Because ‘off road’ trails pose such challenging conditions…..often ‘spontaneous’ conditions, which the rider is charging blindly at, surely it would make sense to have the ‘premium’ KTM 890 R suspension which can cope with all the big hits which otherwise can cause such extensive damage, so sort of like ‘preventative maintenance’ mind set.
Thank you for the thorough review!👍🏻
I have a BMW R 1200 GSA, and a KTM 790 Adventure S. I use the KTM for wild camping trips, and the Beamer for road trips. At high speed and in the wind the KTM is like windsurfing, whereas the BMS is just planted on the road: rock solid.
Nice review! Regarding reliability, I’ve been reading comments on the KTM 890 Adventure FB page, and it’s mixed. Many owners have no problems whatsoever, while others have problems most commonly with (1) the cold start, (2) the front tire leaking, and (3) misc. electronics issues that require a return to the dealer. Quality control issues at the factory? However, nearly all 890 owners I’ve seen on FB love the bike and vehemently defend it. For myself, I’ve decided to not buy an 890 this year and possibly wait until the 2024 model year, see if KTM can fix bugs on what looks to be an amazing ADV bike. Thanks again for the review.
I wouldn’t expect KTM to fix the issues in 2024. They stilled haven’t fixed some issues that came with the 790 in 2019. 😂
I’ll say it again; You either care about high performance and buy a KTM or you care about reliability and buy Japanese.
You can wait and hope or you can understand nothing will be perfect and just go ride. Honda plays it safe, BMW is conservative and heavy. KTM has poor quality control but fun aggressive bikes. I own BMW, Honda, Harley, Ducati and 2 KTM's. Each has its own limitations.
" nearly all 890 owners I’ve seen on FB love the bike and vehemently defend it" There is no way back. So they will defend their expensive purchase till death. I am looking for a new bike and I see that it will not be the ktm...
Perfect timing to think about trading this in on the new Transalp 750 and then see how dirt capable you can make that with suspension upgrades, etc. 🤔😋
Just love these KTM, looking at a 2023 KTM790, would fit my needs perfectly, but just worried about reliability. So maybe the Honda Transalp 750 might be a better bet, your thoughts would be great
For me, as someone that will only own 1 bike at a time, reliability is key!!! Honestly don’t know how, with all the reviews from people over the years about the KTM reliability, how they keep selling. I know you all say they are fun, but I don’t need a $15,000 paper weight. My smiles come when I can actually ride the bike I’ve paid for. KTM Won’t start???!! That’s a huge issue. Thus I stayed with the reliability of a Honda. Love your reviews Ian!! And the great info across all bikes you review.
The Apex fork is quite serviceable. I'd probably go Touratech shock in the rear as I think it's quite close to WP for servicing?? A good used one with all claims and recall fixes would be my pick on any machine made by humans.
great review and thanks for your usual honesty. KTM are great for fun and making you smile....for this I can accept some of its reliability issues....I would not do the same for a less fun bike that is more of status than anything else........
Can’t wait to hear of more news on the 2024 KTM 390 ADV. I hear the engine is getting a revamp and some others things are happening with it. Make for a fun little get around bike for getting around town to work and doing some mild off-roading.
Best bike 390
Light and powerful
I have the 2020 790R with around 20k miles. It’s been extremely fun to ride, even on street. It’s kinda difficult to have a chill ride offroad because it just begs to go fast.
That being said, I’ve had numerous issues: no-start “immobilizer error” (fixed with new battery), air in brake lines, defective front brake rotor, and now just paid to diagnose and replace a faulty pulser coil that left me stranded.
It’s been so fun to ride but it will definitely be my first and last KTM. As a brand they just feel cheap and I’d rather have a bike that starts and has less issues
Do you have any plans for getting the 850GS/GSA for a long term review? I think thats one of the main middleweights you have not reviewed long term.
Hi, nice good reviews though you opted to use still video instead of the upclose moving camera so we missed many details plus you didn't explore the bike dash clusters, is it touch screen, etc, final drive, chain, or is it propelled.. Overall it's good. I own a small xt ik Kenya, but hope to upgrade in future. I have confirmed it doesn't always have to be a GS.. Cheers, Paul Muhoro.
I have ride my 790 Adventure -23 model now almost 4tkm, only issue was like you said with turn signal warning going on...now when I think it was in Rally mode and haven't tried that too much, I will try that tomorrow to see what happens. Otherwise it has been great ride.
Im on my 3rd KTM, 1290adv, 1190 adv r and now a 1290 super adv. About 50k kms in total and not a days trouble.
Very good and honest review
The Norden also loses the top quick selecter setting IF you start the bike before the dash is finished going through it's startup sequence
Cold start issue for me is weird. If I fill up my tank from one particular gas station I get the issue much more frequently, almost every single time. If I fill up from a top tier station it only happens maybe one out of 30 times. I've had one other person confirm that the same thing happens to him. If you're filling up from a cheap no name gas station then try running a couple tanks of top-tier through it and see what happens.
Hey Ian Great video and honesty
Would love to see a detailed video on the suspension change especially the front forks, i have a 790 adv s which i ride hard offroad and to be honest find it very bumpy on and off road, i've been looking for a cartridge kit to for the front forks, i find the back shock ok because i'm pretty light. The big question arises if i should upgrade the suspension or trade in for a 890 adv r, which i have test ridden both the 22 and 23 models both where great the 23 is better on road feel and ride comfort than my bike the 22 was also bumpy
I've owned my bike from new and done 21000 KM with very few problems only a little oil leak which KTM repaired for free as it was still under warranty
Did you not void the factory warranty by changing the suspension ?
Nice update and great insight from one of the best testers out there! For a "mid-size" I would probably do a Tiger 900.
Seems to as reliable as ktm's....
I really like the tiger but not anymore...
I almost bought the Tiger rally pro 900, but went with the KTM 890 Adventure due to weight and balance. I like the looks of the Tiger more, but the KTM is a better feel for me.
Interesting. Yes, the Tiger is a really great looking bike, but I'm glad you found your fit!@@dnwaterh
Ian if you would've just bumped the suspension setup another 20mm to 220mm front and back like I had done from TracTive specked out like the first edition 2022 Norden 901 you would have gotten closer to the best of both worlds with off road suspension travel and not so tall and you have got to admit the base model looks way better with the stealthy looks.
Right after I watched this video my 23 did the turn signal error… you jinxed me!😂
As far as mid size adventure bikes I had a 2018 KTM 1290 SAR and traded it in for a Husky 701 Enduro. For my style of riding the 890 would still be too cumbersome. I've realized I like lighter and simpler motorcycles although I had zero problems with my 1290 but did only put on 2250 miles.
Hi Ian, thanks for the video. As a current 2021 890 R lwner, can you tell if you have dashboard condensation issues at all with the new TFT screen? Thanks
Same problem from new, waiting for a replacement part form ktm since April 2022. Utterly fed up with them. The 2023 model has a better TFT