Don't buy a KTM 790 / 890 Adventure r or s until you watch this review
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- My detailed review of things about the KTM 790 Adventure that no other review covers. I cover the good the bad and the ugly so you know what you are really getting if you choose to join the KTM 790 890 Adventure riders.
I cover bike set up, suspension adjustments, the problems with the KTM and the things that make is stand out. I also cover the items that have been covered under warranty including my catastrophic brake failure.
I got the 890 a few weeks ago. after only 400 miles I started having the issue with cold starts and had to start it 5 times one morning. The problem is that it only starts on 1 cyl and and the other one doesnt go until it warms up. Adding a little throttle on start seems to help but definitely an absurd issue for a brand new bike...
I should add that it is the only issue I've had with it and otherwise I absolutely love it!
Hola amigo,
¿Te solucionaron el problema en garantía?
¿Has tenido más problemas?
Estoy pensando en comprar la misma moto.
Un saludo desde España y gracias por adelantado 😊
When RUclipsrs say "Don't xxxxxx until you watch this video" it's always clickbait and I feel my time has been wasted.
But when Brett Tkacs says it, I click and never feel my time is wasted. Top stuff 👍
Yep! Most times I cruise past those titles after being suckered in too many times. Brett gives real information that help make those informed decisions we all started watching RUclips for in the first place.
Honestly, I can't take reviews seriously when they don't cover negative aspects. This type of "pull no punches" review is the best for those considering a purchase and it speaks volumes (good volumes) about a bike.
Huh? He did a pro vs con comparison, my 790R hasn't experienced ANY of the "internet" issues that make it seem like every KTM is a rolling mess. If you have any doubts don't buy it, get a T7 they seem to be decent bikes.
@@jimenagulla9081 are u ironical or serious. :-)?
is it ok for high way riding(70 km per day)? off road once a week
serious
@@jimenagulla9081 what the hell are you talking about?
I have finally decided on the '23 KTM 890 Adventure (non-R) bike. I have studied maybe 12 different reviews of this bike, and several reviewers said something like "Clearly, KTM has been listening (to owners + reviewers) and this model has dozens of tweaks over previous models that prove it. We all owe a huge thank you to Brett Tkacs for speaking 'truth to power'! His fine reputation of being an intelligent and fair reviewer and trainer go a long way to encouraging companies like KTM to make improvements. It all about the details and proof of those details. Thanks again Brett. You da man!
First time viewer. Loved this review: straightforward, to-the-point, all the pros & cons, no fluff, and a joy to watch even at 23+ minutes. Learned much more about the KTM than in other vid's. Thanks, a bunch!!!
Unbiased, detailed, and accurate. This is video is one of the numerous reasons I subscribe to this channel and watched all your stuff when you produced for Motortrek. Hopefully I can get out to one of your classes next year.
Couldn‘t agree more. Excelent summary on this Motorcycle (I own a 2019 Model wit 20k km). I had less issues but all were minor and some covered under Warranty (Display black out and Swingarm replacement due to a small fissure at the rear shock bottom mount).
Totally love this Bike and will soon upgrade to the 890 Rally.
Lol you dont need traction control unless your bike is overpowered.
Looks like quality and reliability are severely sacrificed in favor of performance in this manufacturer's approach.
One of your best videos yet. I'm an off-road racer and Ive tweaked my 790 quite a bit. You hit some nice single track and it makes your videos very good. Thanks for sharing!
Wow, thanks. "Ready to race part" is true but they never said it's a race to repair shop.
Savage. Well-played.
Lol, true, on the other hand they are being sincere. A true racebike gets serviced (at top tier bikes are pretty much torn apart and re-built) after each race. So ready to race it is, they just omit to tell you that after your Sunday afternoon “race” on the gravel road with your friends you need a 1000 euro service to be ready for the next one 😂
ههههه حلوه
Haha, agree!
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Good fair review.. had a chuckle at the Friday bike comment..👍 on a more Serious Note:- I owned the 790r for 16 month...it was in the repair shop or broken for over 6 month, required full engine rebuild that KTM would not cover warranty because I rode it off rd🙈. 800miles after rebuild it shit itself again... guess what., required full rebuild again KTM refused warranty because I changed the oil within that 800mile period (as a precaution after build)...your a well know personality with in the Adv rider world and appear to be struggling to get them to cover warranty!! Think what it’s like for “average Joe”. I wrote to KTM Uk & The Factory in Austria... guess what, not a single reply🙈🙈🙈. Eventually sold the bike broken with 2,100 miles on the clock...for £3,500. The bike with extras cost me in the UK £13,000 I have been purchasing & riding KTMs for over 15yrs.... NO more after the way the Dealer & Factory have been treating me...Shame🙈
Oh shit... That sucks!
Hi Bill, I’ve enjoyed a fair few of your videos. As a long term owner of aKTM 990 adv and an admirer of the the brand or at least I was, I think it’s shockingly bad the way KTM have treated you. I’m sorry to hear it. I’ve had no bother with mine in the 12.5 yrs and 60,000+ miles I’ve ridden it and I was considering a 790 as I thought it might be more manageable off road. The electronics on these modern bikes worries me as to their long term reliability but you don’t expect engines to go pop. Certainly not twice!
Recently I test rode a Himalayan and I thought this would do me especially along side the KTM, so early next year I’ll look out for a used one. How do you rate the Himalayan and does it cope with the places you ride in?
I look forward to seeing more videos of your off road antics, ride safe.
Andy Teague
Hi Andy
Thanks for your kind words....
Bikes:- as far as reliability goes the Yamaha T7 is the best bike in its class... I have 5 mates that have purchased them and I have ridden it...if you ride it hard you will have to spend some money on the suspension, to date, none of my friends have had any mechanical problems 👌
The wee Himalayan:-
If you treat it for what it is, it’s a super cheap all rounder and will tackle most things... in its own industrial ‘plodding’ way...it obviously lacks mph on the rd/highway but if you learn to recalibrate your brain to enjoy the simpler pleasures of biking it’s a hoot...👍🏴🥃
@@BillCairns Cheers Bill 🥃
How many sales did they loose long term ..Dumb.
Bret,
As always spot on and you just don't throw anyone under the bus. Hat's or helmets off to you for doing the industry right and keeping things professional and excellent. Always enjoy watching your videos and will remember your course for a very very long time. Thanks. -Brad
Many thanks to share real experiences! Everyone knows that other manufactures/motorcylces having issues too. This is not related to a particular manufacturer. It depends even on the model itself. But an issue on the breaks is more seriously and should be handled with sensibility by KTM. Unfortunately, even in respect of the quality and pricerange of the motorcylces, KTM always tries to avoid to take over any responsibility. This is what KTM has definately to change. The feedback to KTM is really important for improvements.
KTM is an excellent premium bike, the company needs to step up and resolve many of the issues
Software updates adjustments etc
What about the oil leaks? Clutch problems etc etc etc?
Premium, sure. But excellent?
Great, honest review Bret! Sorry to hear about the problems you have had. Mine has been flawless for over 13k miles. I just got back from my second trip to Death Valley on it and it got abused in deep sand, ultra deep powder and endless rock and it just kept going. This may be the finest motorcycle I have ever owned and I've had quite a few. I think the issue with the software is due to US lawyers, not KTM.
Agreed regarding the ABS reset.
Thx Bret good review - I've read the ABS reset is actually an EU regulatory requirement to insure new riders never are on pavement with ABS turned off.
On the verge of buying a 24' KTM 790, coming from a 390 ADV, no issues with the 390. After watching/reading many reviews I'm starting to get the sense that KTM is cleaning things up and the 23+ models are certainly more reliable. I'm not really concerned that the new 790 Engine is made by CF Moto, I actually think/hope it's going to be quite reliable. Cf Moto has a lot on the line to make a good impression and from what I've seen so far the Fit and finish is quite good. Time will tell of course, but I'm willing to take a chance.
Great video as usual, it was this video that was the tipping point for me to actually purchase the 890R that now resides in my garage, and I could not be any happier so far. I bought the extended warranty, and if stuff goes wrong it will be fixed. But right now, I can honestly say the 890R is like cheating when off road, simply outstanding on the pavement and the overall fit and finish is excellent. A huge, and I mean huge upgrade form my Africa Twin. Thanks Brett!
Get a ktm 250 xcw dirt bike .. that is where the real fun awaits you.. cheers!
What year Africa twin are you referring to?
@@ridetillidieharleyyamaha4063 You might consider the standard 2023 KTM 890 Adventure. 33" seat height, way better for on-road and still awesome for 95 percent of us when we go on off-road romps.
After my GSA burned up in the Oregon fires, insurance gave me just enough to get a T7 - I feel even better now having made that choice! But seriously, always so much depth and good, succinct information very well presented every time - much thanks for all you do!
Very rare to have something so truthful and accurate about a popular new motorcycle. I've thought about buying one of these. Now I have an idea of what the REAL ownership experience would be like. If I buy one... it's your fault!
Excellent....
Fair & honest review. My experiences: I do not have the same exp with the abs/tc settings, but a little different. I ride off-road in rally mode, off-road throttle & off-road abs. If I stall or kill, it always starts up as set. However, if i turn the key off, 9x out of 10 it starts off as set, the other it starts up with rally throttle, which I really don't like, but still with off-road abs. Your cruise control and not starting when in gear is due to the clutch switch. I managed to make mine work intermittently, but loosening the screws on the switch. Replaced under warranty, all fixed. Keep it up. I'm a big fan of your videos!
Rented a 790 Adventure R a few weeks back for 5-days to compare to my 1200GS. Spent the past 2 weeks debating between 2020 790 and 2021 890, I think you just convinced me to wait! Hopefully we'll have them before the wife and I join your training ride we signed up for next summer. Watching your skid plate video and remembering my last BDR ride makes me want to save the GS for long trips with less technical off-road! Thanks for another GREAT video Bret.
If you downsize from a GS, the 890 will sure be a lighter bike. However if you upsize from an enduro 350 the 790 will be a big beast. If you ride single track without buddies and you drop it, believe me you’ll not looking for an 890 with an additional 9 kg. Sure the additional torque will be welcome but a smaller front sprocket might be an alternative.
Depending on your riding style, the 890 might be a better bike. Myself, after a lot of 790 riding is not envy of 890 owners.
The rear rotor did the same thing on my 2020 790. I was able to get it covered by warranty as it damaged the caliber bracket. I've also have issues here and there with curse not staying engaged, normally it will be fine the next day. Glad to know my is not the only one that takes three tries to start in the mornings! Very annoying
Otherwise, I'm REALLY loving the bike. I had a Versys 650, and Concours 14 before it and it is by far my favorite motorcycle.
The only thing I'd like to add to this video is that you should make sure to get a skid plate that bolts onto the foot peg brackets. The foot peg bracket on the right side bolts to the engine and people have reports that if they hit that peg pretty hard on something. It rips the bolt off the engine and takes a chunk with it.... The really good skid plates will bolt up to that bracket to keep it from moving.
that stupid footpeg design is my biggest complaint. clutches can be worked around but man crashes are gonna happen especially offroad.
Glad to see you on your KTM 790 R again Bret! Excellent honest review and I learned a few extra features and tricks about my 790 that I was not aware of, this is what differentiates you from the rest. I'm having a blast on this bike!
Honest Review , Thorough Thank you, One thing you mention that is a never discussed is the radiant heat the rider receives. Moving up to larger capacity bikes this is a real thing. Its a factor I pay attention to and wont buy a bike unless I demo it in Summer. Subscribed...
Great video as always. Welcome to the KTM early adopter club! I am in the same boat with my 790 although mine has less miles and less issues so far. It will take KTM a few years so sort these bikes out. Normal for them, remember the early 950's? Interestingly, I don't have the abs reset issue you have. That should be a firmware update. Thanks for making this content and being honest, we appreciate you.
Great review, as all from you :-) I just bought an 890R to replace my trusty GS 1200 ADV and the only issue I had was the screen turning black on me during my first trip :-) so far so good at mere 1800 kms mileage (1100 miles). Still I put a lot of gadgets on it, lower and upper crash protection from TT (an extra support of the original skid plate solves its problem IMHO, Roxy risers (I’m 196 cm tall - 6ft 5’), had the seat redone (4 cm taller and wider for touring), Garmin XT in a TT lockable mount, extra led spotlights. A completely different story than my GS, but love it right now, especially for how it handles off-road. Keep the good job here on YT, best regards from Poland.
Great review Bret. I quite fancy a 790/890r but think I will wait until all of the beta testing is done by others!
Fantastic review. You are one of my favorites. So sorry about those issues. I had a 2005 KTM Adventure that I put 50k hard miles on. It was reliable. Same for my KTM 1190R that I rode to the Arctic Circle and Tuktoyaktuk plus the MABDR on a 16K mile trip. My 2019 KTM 790R is been reliable for 14k miles. My ABS, TC and ride modes always stay on my last setting. I never have to re-set. Not sure what changes were made to the electronics from 2019 to 2020. Hope everything gets resolved for you. Keep us posted...
You have a Friday bike, I've had a "sneeze" bike; that's when a part is missing due to a bike passing by a sneezing worker on the assembly line.
My Tiger 800 came without an air filter. Found out the hard way after riding in dusty conditions. Engine rebuild under warranty but took 5 weeks. And the irony is that I had to pay for the new air filter, amongst other things!
WTAF!
Wow. That is completely unacceptable, holy shit.
Best and most detailed bike review I have seen on RUclips. Really excellent. Anyone considering this motorcycle should watch this review!
ABS and Brake failure is a deal breaker for me. Lots of eye candy with the KTMs. Reliability is of utmost importance. Thanks for the honest review. Hello T7!
Good choice going with the T7.
You, sir, have the patience of Job. I think I'll stick with my GS Rallye and KTM 690. Neither is a "unicorn" but together they cover off most of my riding needs. Great review, effortlessly delivered, as always.
Wow - same bikes here as well. My GS a 2012 and the 690 a 2019. Both have been stellar and I enjoy the experience of both.
Thanks for the warnings! This is the kind of stuff I need to see!
thx for this Bret. Based on videos from you and other reviewers I eventually settled on the standard 790 Adventure which better suits my riding applications. I realised (after just coming from a totally trouble free 65,000 kms 2014 Vstrom 1000) that there will be a chance of issues on this kTM, I certainly don't expect the clockwork reliability of the Vstrom, but I had to decide whether I was willing to gamble a little. Since the Tenere 700 has been in short supply here in Australia and is almost an identical price to what I paid for the last of the 790 Adventure S's, the idea of cruise control, tubeless tyres and the electronic wizardry won me over. PLUS they gave me deals on cruise control and Rally mode to further entice. As a late 60s guy who will do more blacktop and nice dirt tracks (usually alone) I'm more than a little confident that I don't test the bike's capabilities on rough stuff the way many younger R riders do. 3,000 kms later and no issues to this point.
Thanks for an honest review! I like it!
Finally an honest review, well done Brett!! KTM is not on its own here though, the lack of response from most bike dealers these days when you mention he word 'warranty' is nothing short of criminal. While I like the KTM product, it just lacks too much polish for me - I will stay with my F800GSA instead.
15 years and over 600.000 km on LC8 adv 950… and I guess I'll keep it for another 15 years :)
@kcotte59 over 100 rallies as a photographer, mostly on special stages. It's my main and only job. And 4 rallies racing, including one race of the world championship (Pharaon's rally). At least 50% of my mileage is offroad. But you have to consider some transfer. I don't ride 110km/day, but few times I did up to 2450km in 21h (home to ferry in south of Spain in one shot). Then also my girlfriend is in Germany at the moment, so 850km in one shot each time. I don't have a car, but I have several 950ies. That mileage includes several engines/motorbikes, but still, the first one is alive with original engine, heads and 254.000km. I just don't use it anymore because it's drinking too much oil. Sadly the 2020 is going to ruin my statistics!
The last bike KTM built properly
hell yeah brother ; lets keep the legend alive ;
You are such a rich man to pay for all fuel that this monster had drunk over 600.000km. And I do not belive you ktm break all before 50.000k
@@catnamedhappiness3002 riding the motorbike is basically my job. I’m writing for motorbike magazines sometime, and my main job is to take pictures at international rallies like Dakar. But I do following (anticipating) the riders with my own motorbike.
I havent watched too many motorcycle riders and reviewers that know as much about bikes and ATV riding as Bret. I was lucky to here him lecture at the bike show in Philadelpia last year and he knows what he is talking about. He also is probably a bit harder on a bike than most riders. Excellent review.
Great job Bret. I have owned several KTM’s in varying models and have learned they can be quite quirky for lack of a better word. I’ve been waiting to pull the trigger on the KTM adventure and I’m hoping that they’ve learned from the 790 and have made appropriate changes on the 890. It reminds me of the days of the KTM 950 and the issues we were having and then came along the 990. Most of the issues rectified but not all of them. Those of us that had the 950 suffered a bit unfortunately. That being said those were two incredible machines in the end. KTM is always trying to improve their machine annually so it seems they are utilizing the consumers as the R&D team which is unfortunate for the owners of the earlier model year machines. This is absolutely a non-professional opinion just a personal observation with my experience with KTM. Can’t thank you enough every time I watch your videos I learn something relevant to my questions and needs
On that note the Yamaha tenere 700 is also looking pretty sexy and we all know about Yamaha reliability. Ride a couple years that KTM work out quirks and back to runnin orange.
Wow. This guy is actually putting out an understandable showcase. I figured by the title you would be full of it, but I retract that thought completely. Thank you sir, great job
Nice review Brett! The attention to detail on the 790s/r is indeed stellar. Three things missed in all reviews including this one; First, brake pedal thickness is offset and and can be flipped 180o quickly by removing one bolt. I like the thick side up-makes it easier to apply the brake while standing. Next, unlike most bikes the KTM includes a steering damper that greatly helps front end twitch in rocks, sand and deceleration from high speed. Finally, although not necessary, there's an embossed "sag" mark on the left rear side pannel that provides an easy reference point for setting ride height. A few other nice details other reviewers have noted are the easy access air cleaner, battery and fuse box, adjustable seat height, windscreen, clutch and front brake levers and of course the tubeless wheels are the icing on the cake. Speaking of wheels, most people seem to focus on the convenience of no tubes but that's only part of the story. Inner tubes not only add unsprung weight and make roadside flat repair a pain, but the gyroscoping weight increase of tubes noticably effects direction changes, ie handling. If you don't believe it, stuff a tube in the front wheel of your 790 and take it for a spin! I've ridden my 790s for nearly a year with the only issue being a slight pulsing in the front brake while braking at very slow speeds. Im keeping an eye on that. I recently rode the MABDR and 1600 miles of the TAT and the bike was stellar. Of the 20 plus bikes i've had over the years this is by far the most ridable and comfortable (next to my 990 adv and F800gs). By comparrison the Africa Twin is a nice street bike but doesn't come close to matching the off road capabilities of the 790-and routine mainenance is a nightmare (try getting to the battery on the honda). Now the T7 is another story. If it was available a year ago it would have been a tough choice between it and the KTM.
Really good points. Exactly the review I want to see. I hate electronic Nanny computer settings which no reviewer really goes into those shortcomings. Sorry to see Triumph Tiger Rally resets also. There really is no fix by the customer. The KTM rotors just seem like a horrible trend...surprised my Husky501 doesn't have the problem (maybe because its 2017). I really want to get the Norden, but if KTM doesn't fix their electronics/Rotors, T7 Yamaha starts looking like a better longterm investment which is important to me because I love to keep my bikes for at least 5 years. Cheers.
Got fed up with KTM issues leaving me stranded a few times, walking home or calling my wife for a ride, went back to Yamaha no more issues. I you want to go fast buy a KTM, if you want to far buy a Japanese bike!
My Yamaha FJ-09 broke and it sat at the dealer for 3 months waiting for parts. I'm not anti-Yamaha, but I don't hold them in any special regard.
Two Hondas and two Suzukis with no issues; so far my Yamaha is following suit.
I was in love with the KTM Super Adventure 1290 R. Then I checked out the KTM warranty vs. Honda. I now ride an Africa Twin.
some ppl prefer wife, others prefer lover. One prefer stability, other excitement and fun.
@@Angry-Lynx Sure, but if I'm 300 miles from home and 25 miles from the nearest town with a 550lb motorcycle, that thing REALLY needs to start when I break camp in the morning! KTM looks great if you're just knocking around your town or for a same-day out and back with friends.
Nice video. I had an early 790r and did not have any real issues with it. Great light adventure bike that does well off road. Ultimately I sold it because even a light adventure bike is heavy. Currently have a Husky FE 501s which is another class of bike but am enjoying the 300lb weight and simplicity.
yes.... now go get a 220lb 2 stroke KTM 250 xcw and have some real fun.. it glides over any nasty stuff... it will make you an A rider...
Thats frustrating on the ABS! i have the 2019 and I do NOT have that problem and it is a US model.
I like the tip for drilling out the front sprocket cover! I'll definatly apply that tip. as far as any of your other problems, i have had none. I really think you did get a Friday lol! Love your vids, keep them coming.
I remember hearing people complain about about ABS & ride mode resets on reviews,Revzilla review complained. I have a 2020 R, same as you, ABS stays were I set it, no reset problems for ABS or ride mode on mine
Most thorough review and insights on this bike that I have watched or read. I have owned KTM single cylinder and LC8 bikes and have experienced excellent reliability and riding experience. That said KTM needs to raise their game regarding the reliability issues on the 790/890 platform. As an highly respected influencer and skilled rider I hope they reach out to you or at least watch this video.
The difference is mate this. The LC8 platform and dirt bikes are still Austrian. The 790/890, 390 etc are Chinese and Indian. That that is the issue. I'm on a KTM but completely refuse to buy the above models for the reasons above.
Brake failure of that magnitude is egregious. If you market a bike as offroad capable there is no excuse for something like that. Highly, highly dangerous, and also totally outside the ethos of long-term reliability if you're taking these bikes places where you can't call AAA to flatbed you home. I cannot believe the amount of play when you wiggled those by hand.
I would save my money and buy a reliable bike like the Yamaha 700.
Well dang, Brett... so I went and bought the 2020 “S” model based upon your previous review(s), and now I find all this negativity! ..... seriously, I don't regret my purchase, and I appreciate the new info! I recommend the black dog skid plate. I went with the largely unnecessary hepco-Becker crash bars as well because they look pretty, and I hope they give me about 2 centimeters extra room for my leg, should I ever do a serious low-side. Brett did not mention the "foggy display" issue - moisture trapped under the display. I wouldn't care so much about it except my hyper-critical riding buddy saw it first... my dealer says it turns up quite a bit and that KTM drags their feet about considering it a warranty issue. Pictures were taken and time-stamped should anything serious come of it - like a screen I can't read until the outside temp is considerably above dew point.
The down-time issue Brett mentioned is worth chewing on. Let me put Brett’s gripe in words I would say to my dealer: "I've got less than 5000 miles on the bike, but mechanical problems have kept me off it for over a month and counting." The service interval on the bike is 9000 miles - 3000 more than the R1200GS. Seeing my dealer any more frequently than the service interval because my bike needs more money and time thrown at it would be a disappointment for sure.
So I guess the jury is still out on the overall reliability of the bike. KTM is betting a lot on the advanced user interface they have designed; the location of the bike's center of mass is a tremendous breakthrough for a consumer-class bike; and you get all this at a good price point! The 9000 mile service point would "seal the deal" if that's all there is to owning the bike. Reliability is not a game a manufacturer can easily win, but if KTM can deliver on the 9000 mile service interval, riders like Brett should be the only people to routinely go beyond what the stock bike can be expected to bear up under. So I feel his list of shortcomings - and the downtime they have caused him - is food for thought, but that the issue with rear brake - whether fixed under warranty or not - is a risk I'm willing take. I will be keeping an eye on the play in my rotors, though ...... thanks again for the info you have presented.
After my first ride on the S I still waited for quite some time before putting my cash on the table. Unfortunately no reviews pointed out the items I shared about here. I like the "negative" reviews as long as they aren't someone just being bitchy. It doesn't mean I won't buy, just that I am better informed. My F800GS I loved so much cost me a ton in suspension work to make it right but I knew that going in so that was ok.
Sorry if you felt misled by my first impression video I did as Mototrek.
Brett, I was not misled by your initial comments about the 790. In fact I did not understand the potential of the bike until I saw your first thoughts via RUclips. The question left unanswered by any decent review of any decent bike is this, “can the OEM deliver the goods at scale?” In my opinion the bike is a game changer even if KTM really does “screw the pooch.” Thanks for *all* your reviews of this bike.
On October 30, 2020, 13 KTM executives didn't like this video.
They need to step up, especially on the brakes.
@@jerseyjeeper1575 nah they'll just blame it on the customers like the various gs1200 failures. You'd think with a premium bike like this they'd eat the cost...nope.
The truth often hurts, doesn’t it? Their warranty is a joke. The G-string/thong of the industry. It hardly covers anything.
Great review! One of the most useful and practical reviews I have ever seen!
The ABS and traction control complaints are likely by design because US government regulations require that behaviour. Government ruins everything!
I have a 790 R and the instructions on checking the chain tension are really confusing - I would love a quick video on how to properly check the chain tension
It’s same process like any other motorbike.
@@andre899 I have had only one other bike - a KLR 650 and, at least according to the manual, it is completely different on how to check the tension - On the KLR you simply measure the distance of the chain from the arm - the KTM manual talks about pushing up the chain and measuring the slack on the high and low end - maybe I am stupid, but I don't get it - and I have searched this on line and several other KTM owners are confused by this manual as well - and to date, I have not seen a simplified explanation.
@@onesharpboradhead check the total chain travel from the highest position to the lowest pushing up and down on the chain. not just down, not just up. both directions. one way to make absolutely sure when you're done setting is to just unbolt the shock real quick and just move the wheel and swingarm thru its travel arc. you can check the chain at various positions that way. it's a good idea to do this on any new motorcycle cause manuals sometimes specify settings that are a bit on the tight end.
I'll take the tip on the holes in the front sprocket protection. Thanks! Moreover, I agree on SW-Update to keep settings where possible (some are by regulations necessary). My remedy in general is switching it off with the kill switch instead of the key when offroad. Then it keeps settings.
Mine is a European 2019 model R. Except the brake line recall nothing wrong. My updates were also BDCW bash plate (plus trail stand), BDCW footpegs, BDCW rear rack plus Triple Clamp head straight.
I'm definitely not near as skilled as yourself, Bret, but generally, mine had no issues so far.
Always like your videos. Tips are always appreciated as well as your learning videos.
Cheers from Switzerland.
That level of brake failure after low miles is 100% unacceptable. Should be a deal breaker IMO.
Yeah, what happens if your brakes snap off in a less controlled environment than a class? That's the kind of thing that could get you killed.
It's concerning that both rotors came loose. Seems recall-tier to me.
I have no time for a bike where in the back of my mind I know it could leave me stranded at any time. .
There is a reason why those KTM 790 ADV depreciate like a rock. ;)
yeah, ktm fan personally, but that crap just shouldnt happen, if there is one thing that should be overbuilt its the brakes ;
Great review. All bikes have their issues, but at the prices they ask for these, it’s kind of frustrating. I paid 17,500 for my Ford Focus, and it went 180,000 miles before it’s first mechanical failure. I know it’s apples and oranges, but every part on that motorcycle should be torture tested for the equivalent of 30k miles. My opinion.
Bret thank you for the Honest review !!! great video as always
i worked in a KTM/Husky Dealership/Repair-shop for over 23 years..... so guess what do i ride ? right.... Honda Motorcycles
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😂😂😂
No money to buy a KTM 😩
Fun fact:
The Honda mechanic rides a ktm
Brilliant thorough honest review - let's hope KTM address the issues!
Thank you Bret, you are truly doing a great job here. Will be really helpful for a lot of people. 👍🏻 PS: next time, maybe, just buy an Honda or a Yamaha😉
Excellent and fair minded video, Bret. I wouldn't discount the reason you got your issues fixed was you have your own RUclips channel, though. As of now, your vid has had 50K views, most of whom are probably KTM's target market. That's gotta hurt.
It is what it is... As of now I have a rented R1200GS (www.tourusa.us) outside so I can ride tomorrow.
I had the same problem with the front disc rotors on my Tiger 800! A local mechanic suggested to change the rivets at a machine shop. Did that and now they are good as new! I thought i would never see that on a new bike!
It's not KTM that fooked up with the ABS turning back on automatically, it's government regulation. The part that KTM failed on is that they made it reset with the starter button. My Guzzi V85TT let's met turn of ABS and traction control as well, reset is done when the ignition key is turned to of and back on. Meaning I can use the killswitch to turn of the bike for a short moment, restart the bike and the ABS setting is still the way I set it before.
You again 😁
Really good and honest review. I was doubting buying a 790R or a Tenere 700. Tried both of them. Found out through internet the issues you mentioned as well as possible issues with the clutch and the rear shock which can fail because of heating by the catalyst which is just below the shock. Because of all these potential issues I decided to go for the T700 and after several months I do not regret it. Great bike with no issues at all.
I am in doubt with those bikes too...KTM 790/890 or T7...and i think i'll decide for the Yamaha finally.
Good for you, mate! I was on the same fence, rode both bikes, hated the ever living crap out of the lame poop MT-07 sewing machine of an engine on T700, hated the weight picking the bike up - and, conversely, loved both of that + electronics + position and control on KTM - so, 790 it was for me.
Aside from the rear brake line recall (done at 1000km/600mi service) - no issues.
Whereas the issues of T700 I've listed - they are its features, you are facing them all the time, vs occasionally some with KTM.
The catch might be, I have a "european" bike, coming with LED blinkers - a slightly different assembly protocol (some assemblies are done more carefully too, e.g. gear linkage), which might be a contributor.
Not gonna lie, the "what if it fails" visits me - but it did so on my previous Versys 650 (where, despite platform's stability, I had to warranty replace valve cap), so hey, that's mental issue of a mechanic, I suppose.
As long as the bike makes you smile and you have fun riding - cool, have fun!
@@UndeadLol4ever For sure fun riding is most important. But with what I cannot cope with is when I am driving alone in the middle of nowhere having this little voice in the back of my head saying what if the bike quits on me because so with other peoples bikes. We all know Murphy's law. Had the same with a Ducati Multistrada in the past which I turned at the end in for a Japanese no thrills bike and never problems. Yamaha took 4 years to develop and make the T700 up to his job and they fully succeeded. Better than launching a bike too fast and then have to relaunch a new version only years later to solve issue.
I love how you indexed all the points of this very comprehensive and clear review. Outstanding job! I suscribe
"Great motorcycle when it's running well..." LOL. I appreciate your honesty, and I'll have you know other people have been honest about the brand with me too. I love the performance, the price is okay, but I'm still on the fence because of reliability and durability. I'll wait until next year.
There is a reason why those bikes depreciate like a rock. :)
A fair and honest owners review based on personal ownership experiences. Not many reviews like this as most reviewers only get a bike for a few days so do not see some problems owning the bike long term. My 790 has a long list of warranty issues, some niggles I can live with if it was just the few niggles, some major. You ride your bike way harder than me, I’d be one of the typical slow riders taking your course looking to improve. I’ve come to the conclusion the 790 may be a great bike off road but I’ll never utilise its full capabilities like better riders so once the warranty issues are resolved (impossible to sell before resolved) I’ll be getting rid of it for something on paper not as good off-road as the 790. Likely the Tiger 900 Rally Pro, Africa twin, 850 or 1250GS
I am considering keeping it as my get stupid bike and adding a road bias ADV bike back to the fleet.
For me that would be another GS (people like to see that bike used during training) or the AT11
The 'issue' with the ABS resetting seems to be related to some EU safety legislation.
Yes, it's mandatory here in the EU that the ABS is activated when you start your motorcycle. :/
@@nERDANZIEHUNG Indeed. I have a Triumph Tiger, and it does the same thing.
The only way to fix is a dongle. It's an add-on plug that will disable ABS even when turning back on, but it's hardware you have to add/buy.
exactly, mandatory in the EU for bikes that want to be roadlegal.
ABS hast to turn on, when you start the vehicle,.
To combat this, most serious offroad riders, have a little "dongle thingy" that they plug in, when riding offroad, that turns off the ABS.
@@eberbacher007 One could pull the fuse as well, but the dongle sounds like a better idea because it avoids wear on the fuse holder.
Great tip for video, I brought videos to my BMW dealership for an intermittent electrical warning light. Five minute test ride does not produce it and ECM did not store error code, the video helps the mechanic see what was happening.
Great video. Thank you. I was on the fence but now I think I'll pass. When manufacturers are reluctant to honor the warranty without video proof, and the bike has a lot of problems, we need to hit them where it hurts. In their pocket book, not ours.
I have a 690 enduro r and really like it for 90% of the riding that i do. The 10% that I don’t like is highway speeds. This is where the 690 really shows it’s limitations for me. At speeds 70+ the front end starts to feel disconnected from the road. It’s not a wobble. It just feels so light that it feels sketchy. I’m considering trading it in on the 890 adventure r next year. The 690 is so good off-road though and I’ve finally got it set up just the way I wanted it to be. Wish I knew someone with a 890 so I could compare the two. I would hate to trade in the 690 and not be as happy with the 890. My only concern is the extra 100 pounds the 890 carries. Good informative review 👍
Hi Dude ! Very good content ! Was refreshing to watch ! You know your stuff and I like how you bring it across ! Well done !!
Thanks for the video, I’m sticking with my 1250GSA no issues and it takes very good care of me off-road
My experiance tought me that japanese bikes are more reliable,good rewiev
thanks for the very honest and detailed review bret,always watching your videos here in the Philippines!👍👍👍
Great review Bret 👏🏻You did some great coverage of the issues you have experienced here. Nice. I try to do the same, film everything, it makes a huge difference, but I have not have so many issues with my bike yet. I damn, i really like this bike. Cheers, and stay safe 🔥🇳🇴
Really glad I watched this video. I’m retiring in a year & want to do TAT, BDRs, etc. Thinking I’ll go with the Yamaha, there will be used ones by then & given their reliability, seems like a perfect bike. I have had 6 KTMs & love them but this is too much to have to deal with especially if I’m out in the hinterlands. Thank you for telling it like it is with the 790R.
Reviews without ownership and without criticism are just commercials!
I almost bought a 790 but got a V85TT instead. Fit my ridding style a bit more. From the sounds of it I am glad I did, only issue I have had is a little oil leak that was covered under warranty. However I probably don’t work my bike as hard as you do by any stretch of the imagination.
"I like this"
Edit - in all seriousness as someone who is new to this - you describing the down hill ABS scenario was truly inciteful. It hadn't sank in how serious it is with ABS in offroad situations. Can't thank you enough for shedding light on that for me. Your description hit home.
Gee u have had a bad run Brett ... mine is a June 2019 and only rear brake recall plus TFT display fog issue warranty replacement. But ideally should be zero issues. Otherwise very happy with the bike that mixes with 450 enduro bikes offroad ... love this machine
Same here, tft, moisture, but only in very cold weather, and rear brake recall, only time, and miles will tell.
Wow, what an excellent video. Everything is too the point, great video and audio, and it's so comprehensive. Very well done.
Firstly, I own a KTM Adventure so I’m not anti-KTM in any way as I love the bike, however, I suspect that the factory do a sizeable portion of their R&D for new models using owners as the platform. Just my opinion.........
I'm glad you added up the on-the-road weight. I'm continually trying to compare based on what's needed for bar work based on peoples experience.
Probably a great bike, but I do not have the time to have my bike in the workshop all the time when the riding season is only 8months. Glad I have my T7. KTM do have some big reliability issues.....
@Johnny yes buddy
Wow! I purchased my 2020 KTM 790 Adventure R in January of 2020, and I have had no problems with my bike so far.... Except for the rear caliper brake line recall, and the sticky or failed front brake switch that failed closed. So then my cruise control would not work, because the computer was thinking I was applying the brakes. Both problems were recall issues, so no out of pocket expenses, thankfully. After 15 years riding my old reliable 1999 DR650, this bike, the 790 has me riding like a kid again. Total game changer with the traction control, and the ABS. Love this bike! Happy Trails!!
Great video, thinking of swapping my 1290 to the 890 to lose weight, but still not convinced . Seems like a lot of quality stuff going on with the 790, hoping the 890 will be better....even better the bring out something lighter, I don't mind giving up some power.
Ive just got into adv riding and I have no idea why yous ride the 1290 and alike they are a big bike with power you really dont need at the end of the day, ive tried a few bikes and im going to get the 23 890r and im pissed about the demo mode but at the end of the day its the perfect bike for what I want to do , while loaded i still want to be able to throw it around and enjoy the ride but i dont thi k i could on those bigger bike , laying it over then busting nuts to get it back up or getting it bogged down and not being able to budge it , im in vic australia and i want to be able to head off to the top end and not have to worry if theres a lot of water on the ground will i get through on the big girl , if i waz only doing 3 or4 day trips i would have gotten something like the 690or the 701 but they just dont cut it for anything else , hopefully im happy with the 23 890r , putting a tower on it so i can have decent gps in front of me so i know where im going and,dont have to stress out when im in the middle of butt fuvk and dont know where i am and the taller screen taking a bit of wind off my chest making those long rides not as draining on the body ... stay safe guys and i enjoy reading everyones imput negative or positive
@@ridetillidieharleyyamaha4063 Great choice! The 890 platform is maybe the best out there right now. Enjoy!!
@@mdragon99 thanks for the reply mate , after everything ive looked at and im a big Yamaha fan but they dont make the best adv bike , ktm seem to be leading the way in this department , i cant wait to set it up and hit the road ....
Thank you for the review - appreciated. I was planning to buy the 890 January for my ride from Vladivostok to Minsk next year July (not using my GS because of its weight) - it's a bit concerning listening to your comments were one to be on the Trans-Siberia and "shit" happens.
Awesome job Bret. Love your work!
Just sold my 390 and got a 790. Very happy even though it's been only 1 day since I've been watching videos of this bike for months in just about every language. A lot, if not all of the negative issues Bret had on this bike, I won't be having simply coz most or all of them happen either off-road, which I won't be doing, or during a stoppie or other crazy acts, also which I won't be doing. And the fact that they are now assembled in China, I hear from a lot of reviewers, you can't tell the difference. Keeping in mind that the BMW F750 motor is also made in China. So no worries, happy days from now on. :)
I think the ABS coming on always is because of law issues. ABS is not mandatory on road so they have to put in on by default...
Is there no one accessable within KTM to get an honest response about these items? Why do we have to stand stand around and have a "guess fest" about how and why the traction control works, (or not) as it does? I really want to buy one of these and am waiting for the 890 but this great discussion is really giving information that is making me reconsider...
How in this day and age do brake rotor bolts loosen, and destroy the caliper on a new bike - and not have it quickly taken care of as a warranty issue!!
I'm sorry for your troubles Brett, but, as posited, by it happening to you with your access to the KTM "public", perhaps KTM will take notice and take action... and if wishes were fishes, we'd all be well fed!
Nice review Bret. I’m a KTM fan but have had many different bikes. I’ve had all of these issues on my Japanese bikes as well, including going through two sets of loose rotors on my gsxr race bike. It happens when you ride them hard.
Please state what issues and what Japanese bikes. Every 790 video I see they all seem to have starting issues.
I'm about to sound like an old man but, I think I'm going back to a KLR from my BMW. There is a lot to be said about simple. I don't have it in me anymore to deal with the crap you're dealing with.
Great video, it's nice to see both sides of the coin.
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I can relate to this on my 390 Adv. The TC will reset seemingly at random when the bike stalls. I've trie turning the starter switch on/off, turning the key on/off, starting right away or waiting a few seconds, but there is no pattern as to when the TC resets or not. It's very frustrating when climbing a hill as not only do I have to stop the bike from sliding downhill, but I have to get back into the dash settings and then wait several seconds while the TC turns itself off. It's very frustrating and actually dangerous and I've had a few tipovers because of it.
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I've had the black screen issue one, though it appears to be the backlight only.
TC will generally reset whenever the engine is started. Maybe it has a few second delay in case we kill it? I made a joke about getting the Rekluse clutch so I can't kill it and fixing the TC reset that way, lol.
@@LouisGiliberto It does not always reset for me, I think I will take my GoPro with me tomorrow and see if I can see a pattern.
My god am I glad I bought a T7! I have not had one issue with the bike in over 3 months and 5,000 km - NADA! Actually I am lying, the OEM heated grips suck.
mine T7 has 11.000 km and still like new.....OEM heated grips have 3 heating options for power, check online for remedy
@@TheSharkypeto mine has >12k kms, serious: not any probs! Heating grips too weak, need to work at level III
OMG! As a KTM rider that is scary. Picked up my 1290 SAR this spring, got 7K km this season with 90% off road, no issues like your having. Lots of KTM software gremlins, Bluetooth says connected but its not, ECU failure (but was still running fine), screen won't come on until it gets warm when temp is below 5C. Thanks so much for the review, I will be checking the brake rotors frequently. Great honest review and side note I like the front fork SENA sticker (hmm isn't that were the reflector goes??).
Great video. I think your channel’s reputation and exposure might also have helped your warranty claims. KTM has to change their reputation for customer service and reliability. The bikes are just too expensive to have these issues.
I was thinking the same thing. My brain does just fine with traction control I'll take the T700.
My very first bike was/is an '83 Honda XL200R I bought a few years ago and I've never had a single issue with it minus a blinker wire come loose. Now I have a 1995 DR350SE that I've had for about a year now and it starts right up every time, although I've had a couple loose wires on this as well but thankfully the kickstart can bypass most electrical issues to at least get me home.
If there's one thing I've learned is the more complex something is the more there is to go haywire. The simpler the bike the better for me, but I do a ton of solo exploring in Oregon and reliability is #1 for me
Sure, this bike has a great performance! But this typically KTM related tiny, little issues are the reason, why i decided to buy a Yamaha Tenere 700. Less fancy bullshit, more reliability!
I have a 2020.790r and also have a T7 to ride while my ktm is being repaired, problem solved 👍
These Euro bikes sure have lots of fancy bells and whistles and if they have no problems are great. I will take dead reliable Japanese reliability any day
Not as offroad friendly as the T7, but same goes with me and my trusted V strom.
Yamaha cruiser fan here. I looked the at T700, but I wanted something more off-roady so went with a KTM. That said, all my Yamahas have been bullet-proof, and I'm sure the T700 will be the same. Good choice.
@@neilcollinson6540 I like how you think.
I had a Friday Scrambler 1200 XE. I feel your frustration. Today’s electronics are messing with reliability. Bikes are spending for too much time in the shop. I considered the 790 and 890 but I think the Tenere 700, being more simplistic, is where I’m headed.
WOW. That's a HUGE number of issues. No way would I buy one of them.
Now that's a real world review, thumbs up. I have had mine for 15 months and luckily no problems accept some "key errors". I am afraid of a front brake lever malfunction and am waiting for the KTM recall. Mine remembers the settings in Rally Mode.
Nice video - yes there can be some issues. Personally my 2019 790r is running fine and is just magical to ride both on and off road
8:30 stands out.. If you buy this bike to ride hard trails, The fact that you can be going downhill and have the ABS to switch to sport mode if you stall is a deal-breaker. I'm sure they did it due to safety or some bullshit requirement but to me that's a software bug or horrible UX decision. not to mention if you hop off your bike and kill the engine for a minute or two you have to reset your setting
yeah i find that really bizarre. I have a 790 R, It must be a USA bike thing, or his in particular. Because I set my settings in rally, ABS everything, leave it and it never changes. I could go fire it up now, and its been sitting 2 weeks, and the settings will remain from the last time I turned the bike off
I leave mine in offroad mode for that reason. It's scary when you hit the dirt and expect the rear tire to lock but instead you get nothing. I can deal with the front ABS but don't want to get caught off guard.