It's insane/lazy, as it's probably the best spec wise and highly reviewed. It's also one of only 3-4 that could be considered middle weight anyway (at or near 200kg) 230kg and over 800cc+ is pushing the name...
@romanskozlakovskis211 close enough but yeah. Most midsize 450-500duelsport bikes would fit the 100-150kg light size . Anything under 200kg would be fine for an adventure bike
Aprilia Tuareg not fancy enough? It won the Africa Eco race this year (ahead of the T7, racing the original Dakar race route, w/ no mechanicals, T7 had two). Seems the Tuareg is just the black sheep, i.e. not Japanese or Austrian enough. So tired of it not being part of the discussion.
No way a DR 650 would be ahead of or even close to the AJP PR7.....the PR7 is fricken awesome, while the DR 650 is merely a good bike. Kove 450 is likewise awesome, I just don't see why you got the hots for the DR 650.
@@capoa666 makes sense. I put all the bikes I own (except the POS Harley that's failed so many times and cost me so much I hate it) in first place on all lists too.
A middleweight adv ranking without the Aprilia Tuareg 660 but at the same time featuring models of over 800cc and the Himalayan which is lightweight, is just laughable. C'mon, get serious!
Himalayan may be value for money but top of the list 😂. In terms of quality and reliability, i doubt it even qualifies to be in top 15. Please add it only once u have ridden it atleast for few thousand miles, thats when it will start showing its true quality levels. I hope this wasnt the case, but it is what it is.
8 mins in.... as i was checking the comments and found Himalayan... cmonnn 😆... no reliability at all.... If himalayan is here ... maybe ktm390 adv spoke wheel version should be too .. becz. It beats himalayan...
If the Himalayan is based on price and with the money you save you can book a holiday..... shi## I can then purchase a Gas Gas electric bike and save even more. 100% with you. Not worth top 10
This video is ridiculous, just advertising really and summation of each bike specs.There are no criteria listed for ranking, what makes one bike better than another? How is each category weighted? Etc etc.. this is just an arbitrary list of personal preference with no background as to why.... Just plain silly
Somebody help me here: Wanting to do a LA to Ny to Fl adventure trip, I could not understand why purchasing a bike with more than 700 cc's would be needed. So I took a test ride on a Honda NX 500. Cruising speed before engine vibration was as advertised, 80 mph. But this was until I rode a Kawasaki Versys 650. And though it was 40-lbs heavier, the cruising speed was well into the passing traffic range up over 100 when the faring began to buffet. Now this was the bike for me. I simply can't understand who would want more engine, more weight, more speed? Any answers?
I like to tour Europe but a woeful service interval for someone with no maintenance skills rules out RE for me. I do own a 2023 Himalayan but used my bmw/triumphs for tours of typically 6000 miles down to Turkey and back
Hello, I have the cf Moto 650mt and could do with lowering the seat a few mil to flat foot. Do you know if this can be done. Also it is a bit of a beast to push around.
Damn ! CFMoto 450 MT is the Unicorn, the F***ing bike that true Adventurer wait for so much time !! is not an alternative is the Best, cheapest, serious, affordable, and light weight choise we could have since a soo much time ! 🤩
I don't think the Himalayan 450 should be no 1, but it's definitely a top 5. Also, KTM needs to stop this addon pack BS and just add it to the full price. Using the tech demo as carrot dangling isn't cool. Just make it standard and up the price.
But if you make it standard and up the price, people who don't want it have to pay for what they don't want, KTM did nothing wrong...if you don't want it, don't pay for it, everyone's happy and it's not carrot dangling any more than an accessory catalogue is.
@@AdamForeman I understand that but it would be no different if rather than turn something that is there 'on', they had to install something physical or re-program the entire CPU, it would amount to the same thing where you have to pay for things they've spent money developing. It's just that this is software, not hardware, so it's easier for them to do it this way. I can see why it's annoying but I can also see why they do it since nothing in this world is free and you have to pay people for doing things (R&D). Better than forcing those who don't want it to pay more, at least you have the option of paying or not.
Critics and fanboys of expensive European brands need to understand one thing: the Tenerre is better precisely because of the things it doesn't do. And when your pocketbook allows it! The Tenerre does much more for the money invested.
When people say middle weight I dont think they understand what middle weight means. Thanks for sharing but I think the list is quite arbitrary. No much consideration on proven reliability, dynamic real life behaviour, dealer support and parts, and weight that all combined will leave several bikes off any lists. I guess if your remove the top word from your list it would meke it less objective yet some of those bikes fall in completely different categories.
It means between weights. So, you have a more feature rich dual sport, which is heavier than a dirt bike with all plastic and nothing else. You have the heaviest adv bikes, then you have the middle of those weight ranges.
@@logangodofcandy So that point in the middle should be closer to 180kg wet rather than 220. I am also saying because we know anything above that it gets really hard exponentially off road to the point than the largest "adventure bikes" are probably the worse option for the idea of any adventure that includes off road travel. You see, all that power, features is no longer needed and we get penalized and sometimes punished for all that extra weight. They will shine at cruising and do well in the very bad asphalt secondary and local roads but also in those roads are hardly the best option. That is why the Tenere 700 or aprilia should be at the top that is about the max weight with plenty of power and great geometry. honda 300, dr 650, etc... should be also there for the folks who do not touch highway much to get to the fun places. Those are medium-light more realistic in the adventure world. One would think adventure involves some off road but maybe not realistically for many so then why not talk about cruisers and the whole mid range adventure stays as a marketing point exploited by manufacturers to upsale based on an idea or dream.
@@fred7944Cramming with electronics is not an upgrade. Yamaha don't do that. Statistically, the T7 is almost the lightest of all in the class. The most reliable, the most beautiful. Yamaha doesn't do anything by accident. It doesn't matter if you get somewhere, it matters to be able to return. This is guaranteed only by Yamaha and Toyota.
Oh yes! I would pick the T7 over any of those other bikes anytime. May be if I was a wanna be adventure traveler then I would pick a fancy bike with tons of electronics. You know, the crap that all those other bikes have and need to barely beat the T7. Like traction control and electronic suspension. And lets not forget the riders who think that they are better than they really are. Poor fellas don’t realize that it's the bike’s fancy electrics doing a lot of the work for them, and not their “great skills.” Wink wink Real experienced motorcyclists know that it is NOT about which bike is the fastest and more agile. Again, those are things wanna be’s care for. Those who are out to have a “little fun” on weekends, not world travelers. But for me, someone who travels the world, the T7 is more than perfect. Hard to beat in performance. But above all, as badass as it is, it lacks all the electronic junk that all those other bike have and need. If you are traveling trough a third work country and break down, good luck finding someone who has the know how and specialized tools needed to work of “electronic bikes” (what I call bikes with all the electronic junk). Yeah, good luck with that! And good luck finding parts for that bike. Many third world countries don’t even have an Aprilia, aducati, or other fancy European bike dealers. With the exception of BMW which most countries do have. In most only one dealer in the country, but one is better than none. In South America I met a guy who told me about a little problem he had with his BMW. He was traveling through Ecuador (if I remember correctly) and his BMW broke down in the middle of no where. Had it shipped to the capital, where the only BMW dealer is in the entire country, and had to wait almost a month for parts to arrive from Germany and for his bike to be repaired. That was money and time he wasted waiting for his bike. By contrast, another friend was traveling through Mexico on a barebones electronics Kawasaki KLR, when his bike also broke down in the middle of no where. Some farmers picked him up on a pick up truck and took him to the local motorcycle mechanic in the village. Some guy in a small shop in a house garage. The guy was able to fix his bike in a couple of hours. The beauty about the T7 is not only how good it is, but what it lacks. The only electronics is the ignition system, fuel injection, and ABS. Or what I call the basics. Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention, the price for parts for electronic and electrical junk on bikes are high enough to empty a bank account quickly. I saw a video of some guy with a KTM690 Adventure bike who had trouble with his display failing. Took it to a KTM dealer and they told him that they needed to change some wire harness. Total bill out of his pocket was 5,100 dollars. Nice! His bike was less than a year old. KTM USA’s warranty doesn’t cover much. Only engine/transmission, swing-arm, and I think frame. So yeah, as a world traveler, you can keep your fancy bike and I’ll keep my T7.
@@BikerGirlTraveler But wouldn't a T7 have an electronic display that could conceivably have an expensive wiring harness? It's display must show digital readouts for speed, fuel level and engine speed though perhaps not much else. I'd like to get a T7 World Raid someday to get the cool dual tanks though wish they'd just put those on another cheaper version without the steering damper and amped up suspension. I'd be fine with standard T7 suspension I reckon but don't want to pay $4-5k for the World Raid just to get the tank and its looks. If I bought another adventure bike (my 2012 990 Adventure has never failed) it's be a T7 World Raid or an Africa Twin......probably without the DCT and probably not the huge Adventure Sports one that is pretty ugly. The standard Africa Twin 1100 in black and red with white trim looks the best and is the lightest and simplest option. Sure I'd like to have a Desert X Ducati or Triumph 900 Rally Pro triple or even the 1200 triple but that one's getting pretty heavy even the newer 'light' one. At one time I wanted an 890 R or 890 Rally but heard too many horror stories about camshafts and even crankshafts. My local KTM dealer closed soon after I bought my 990, of course, so closest dealer is 5.5 hours away so thinking Yamaha or Honda.
If your bike is anything above 400 pounds with luggage it will very quickly become a street touring bike. Less is more if you want to actually go to epic places.
Not sure I would agree with the logic here...Transalp is a very good bike, T7 is a monster and still didn't do well, but Himalayan??? That simply can not be the best Middleweight bike. The reliability, dealer network, power, capability??? No way, no how. Not sure what motivations or reasoning behind the list are but not in my mind, and as it shows, many other people here, which are all bike fans. Maybe do another review, set out the criteria and go from there. But, I don't see anyone choosing Himalayan over any below it, no matter what the money is, unless they live in India and are on the budget...very low budget. And what about Tuareg, really?
The CFMoto 450 MT is the Unicorn, the F***ing bike that true Adventurer wait for so much time !! is not an alternative is the Best, cheapest, serious, affordable, and light weight choise we could have since soo much time ! 🤩
Shows you how ridiculous it is to make videos judging bikes without ever riding one (or maybe 1).finally the cheapest is the best. Who expected that ? No one who ever did a mono on the motorway.
@@fred7944 Problem is not about specs but about reliability. Would you travel to Mongolia with a 450 mt or most of the bikes on this list apart from Himalayan and T7?
Tenere have hogh weight point bur Ducati are bit too expensive for cheap seat it has.. Good review but I will stay with my classic legendary desert horse KTM 990 Adventure. Love it. Simple brutal primitive power...
What a joke this TOP 10 !🤣 Not even a word on the Unicorn : The 450 MT from CF Moto ?!? Just look at it specs and you will forget all your heavy roady adventure bike ! Lighter is better ! 🤩
I have a KTM 1290superduk gt I bought new, my previous bike was a 1190 Adventure I bought my, like you I think too pat for something that is already on the bike is scandalous. I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER KTM. yours ripped off twice, NEVER AGAIN.
Himalayan at #1. What are you smoking? Probably the best value, but that's it. Power to weight ratio is awful. It's basically a donkey with a low pressure turbo.
I've probably ridden well over 100 bikes, on this list I've ridden 5. I haven't gone on a long adventure on all of these, but I rode the Tiger 900 from Lands End to John O'Groats a couple of years ago. Tuareg got a mention at the end. Thanks for the comment.
Aprilia Taureg over thr Ténéré 700? HELL NO! I would pick the T7 over any of those other fancy bikes anytime. May be if I was a wanna be adventure traveler then I would pick a fancy bike with tons of electronics. You know, the crap that all those other bikes have and need to barely beat the T7. Like traction control and electronic suspension. And lets not forget the riders who think that they are better than they really are. Poor fellas don’t realize that it's the bike’s fancy electrics doing a lot of the work for them, and not their “great skills.” Wink wink Real experienced motorcyclists know that it is NOT about which bike is the fastest and more agile. Again, those are things wanna be’s care for. Those who are out to have a “little fun” on weekends, not world travelers. But for me, someone who travels the world, the T7 is more than perfect. Hard to beat in performance. But above all, as badass as it is, it lacks all the electronic junk that all those other bike have and need. If you are traveling trough a third work country and break down, good luck finding someone who has the know how and specialized tools needed to work of “electronic bikes” (what I call bikes with all the electronic junk). Yeah, good luck with that! And good luck finding parts for that bike. Many third world countries don’t even have an Aprilia, aducati, or other fancy European bike dealers. With the exception of BMW which most countries do have. In most only one dealer in the country, but one is better than none. In South America I met a guy who told me about a little problem he had with his BMW. He was traveling through Ecuador (if I remember correctly) and his BMW broke down in the middle of no where. Had it shipped to the capital, where the only BMW dealer is in the entire country, and had to wait almost a month for parts to arrive from Germany and for his bike to be repaired. That was money and time he wasted waiting for his bike. By contrast, another friend was traveling through Mexico on a barebones electronics Kawasaki KLR, when his bike also broke down in the middle of no where. Some farmers picked him up on a pick up truck and took him to the local motorcycle mechanic in the village. Some guy in a small shop in a house garage. The guy was able to fix his bike in a couple of hours. The beauty about the T7 is not only how good it is, but what it lacks. The only electronics is the ignition system, fuel injection, and ABS. Or what I call the basics. Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention, the price for parts for electronic and electrical junk on bikes are high enough to empty a bank account quickly. I saw a video of some guy with a KTM690 Adventure bike who had trouble with his display failing. Took it to a KTM dealer and they told him that they needed to change some wire harness. Total bill out of his pocket was 5,100 dollars. Nice! His bike was less than a year old. KTM USA’s warranty doesn’t cover much. Only engine/transmission, swing-arm, and I think frame. Oh and one more thing, with the many thousands of dollars I save buying a T7 over those over bikes, I can’t do at least a couple of nice trips through Mexico. Like through Baja California. So yeah, as a world traveler, you can keep your fancy bike and I’ll keep my T7.
Tuareg 660 beats the Tenere in every way and all the bikes cost 30% more than both the Tenere and Tuareg. This a very heavy mid size list... i dont think mid size should pass 205-210kgs
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Aprilia Tuareg not good enough to make your top 10??? Hmmm 🤔
I'll put the Tuareg and the Tenere at the top
It's insane/lazy, as it's probably the best spec wise and highly reviewed. It's also one of only 3-4 that could be considered middle weight anyway (at or near 200kg) 230kg and over 800cc+ is pushing the name...
I would concider the 660 as #1 for power / weight & features
Staggering
What a joke, Tuareg should be in the top 3. Himalayan at 1, omg. Time to unsubscribe.
Shows you how ridiculous bikes have become when 900cc is described as a middleweight......
And motorcycle prices are even more ridiculous.
A 900 doesn't need to be particularly heavy. There is a very clear delineation between the heavy heavy bikes and the medium middle bikes.
What is that weight categories?😅 100-150 light
150-190 middle
190-230.. heavy???
@@ripmax333 freaking beyond ridiculous
@romanskozlakovskis211 close enough but yeah. Most midsize 450-500duelsport bikes would fit the 100-150kg light size . Anything under 200kg would be fine for an adventure bike
Aprilia Tuareg not fancy enough? It won the Africa Eco race this year (ahead of the T7, racing the original Dakar race route, w/ no mechanicals, T7 had two). Seems the Tuareg is just the black sheep, i.e. not Japanese or Austrian enough. So tired of it not being part of the discussion.
And is winner the Hellas race,also.
Don’t waste 16 minutes of your time
Wow, himi even entering this list is crazy let alone topping the list, paid absurdity at its peak!
1- DR 650 SE 2- KOVE 450 RALLY 3- AJP PR7 for me this is middleweight.
The dr isnt middlewieght is it?
The other are👍👍
No way a DR 650 would be ahead of or even close to the AJP PR7.....the PR7 is fricken awesome, while the DR 650 is merely a good bike. Kove 450 is likewise awesome, I just don't see why you got the hots for the DR 650.
@@shavedape i got one, thats wy.
@@capoa666 makes sense. I put all the bikes I own (except the POS Harley that's failed so many times and cost me so much I hate it) in first place on all lists too.
@@shavedape you are rigth our bikes are always the best i got two a DR650SE AND VFR750 RC36!!
A middleweight adv ranking without the Aprilia Tuareg 660 but at the same time featuring models of over 800cc and the Himalayan which is lightweight, is just laughable. C'mon, get serious!
RE is a real gem.. Trust me❤️.. It ticks all the boxes..❤️🔥
Where is the Aprilia Tuareg ?
It got an honorable (dishonorable) mention.
Yes.T7 is King of adventure .
Sorry didn't know this was a satire channel!
Himalayan may be value for money but top of the list 😂. In terms of quality and reliability, i doubt it even qualifies to be in top 15. Please add it only once u have ridden it atleast for few thousand miles, thats when it will start showing its true quality levels. I hope this wasnt the case, but it is what it is.
8 mins in.... as i was checking the comments and found Himalayan... cmonnn 😆... no reliability at all.... If himalayan is here ... maybe ktm390 adv spoke wheel version should be too .. becz. It beats himalayan...
If the Himalayan is based on price and with the money you save you can book a holiday..... shi## I can then purchase a Gas Gas electric bike and save even more.
100% with you. Not worth top 10
@@haruhazashi4536Ktm adv doesn’t beat Himalayan in any way but yeah Himalayan is not even top 15
Triumph for build quality and a non-nosebleed seat height with top notch suspension
Surprised to find the Himalayan at the top of this list ... for someone from India 😂 much love ❤
Love my Norden!
2024 CFMOTO 450MT IS THE GAME CHANGER....
Definitly.... 😍 The Unicorn is there...
No Aprilia Tuareg on the list??
Based on proven record T7 and Tuareg should ve at the very top.
Some of the bikes mentioned do not belong on any adventure top list.
They are also not the cheapest bikes. Price must be considered. A himmy classic model is under $5k
Yes it got an honorable mention at the end.
This video is ridiculous, just advertising really and summation of each bike specs.There are no criteria listed for ranking, what makes one bike better than another? How is each category weighted? Etc etc.. this is just an arbitrary list of personal preference with no background as to why.... Just plain silly
Uninformative
I was looking to downsize from my 1200GS but according to this writeup the 900GS weighs the same?
Tiger/Himalayan, currently I am on the 2018 Models, but soon will switch both to 2024 one`s 💫
Exactly, Royal Enfield Himalayan the best, thanks for the video and take care.
Aprilia Tuareg ???😮😮😮 this far down the list? it's a great bike but for me it's missing in the top four 😢😢
You missed 2 of China's unicorn entries, the Kove 800x (pro/rally) & Cfmoto Ibex 450 (450mt everywhere outside of NA). Both are
I'm waiting for Kove to come to Australia and test ride the 800X.
P.s. Aprillia Tuareg 660 are interesting beast, worth to check and look for test ride..
Somebody help me here: Wanting to do a LA to Ny to Fl adventure trip, I could not understand why purchasing a bike with more than 700 cc's would be needed.
So I took a test ride on a Honda NX 500. Cruising speed before engine vibration was as advertised, 80 mph. But this was until I rode a Kawasaki Versys 650. And though it was 40-lbs heavier, the cruising speed was well into the passing traffic range up over 100 when the faring began to buffet. Now this was the bike for me.
I simply can't understand who would want more engine, more weight, more speed?
Any answers?
With respect, Aprilia is much better than many on your list.
I like to tour Europe but a woeful service interval for someone with no maintenance skills rules out RE for me. I do own a 2023 Himalayan but used my bmw/triumphs for tours of typically 6000 miles down to Turkey and back
W it’ll you be doin the kove 800 rally/pro when available??🏍️🏍️🙏🙏👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
Excellent video, top class production, id more the T7 to position 3, as it’s one of the best in class for off-roading.
Royal Enfield Himalayan is a good motorcycle in budget
Paying to unlock something already installed on my bike is outrageous and is a deal breaker for me
I'll stay with my gen3 KLR650
Great bike, fair play!
Hello, I have the cf Moto 650mt and could do with lowering the seat a few mil to flat foot. Do you know if this can be done. Also it is a bit of a beast to push around.
What nooo tuareg 660? Didn't they spoil you enough on a release? Seems to be the better perks from the manufacturer the higher up the list they are.
Royal enfield himalya not available in pakistan is Cfmoto mt450 a good alternative ?
Actually it is better
Amazing bike CF450MT
Damn ! CFMoto 450 MT is the Unicorn, the F***ing bike that true Adventurer wait for so much time !! is not an alternative is the Best, cheapest, serious, affordable, and light weight choise we could have since a soo much time ! 🤩
It's the best stupid
I don't think the Himalayan 450 should be no 1, but it's definitely a top 5. Also, KTM needs to stop this addon pack BS and just add it to the full price. Using the tech demo as carrot dangling isn't cool. Just make it standard and up the price.
But if you make it standard and up the price, people who don't want it have to pay for what they don't want, KTM did nothing wrong...if you don't want it, don't pay for it, everyone's happy and it's not carrot dangling any more than an accessory catalogue is.
@@shavedape the quick shifter is behind the pay wall and that's just not on
@@AdamForeman I understand that but it would be no different if rather than turn something that is there 'on', they had to install something physical or re-program the entire CPU, it would amount to the same thing where you have to pay for things they've spent money developing. It's just that this is software, not hardware, so it's easier for them to do it this way. I can see why it's annoying but I can also see why they do it since nothing in this world is free and you have to pay people for doing things (R&D). Better than forcing those who don't want it to pay more, at least you have the option of paying or not.
Ducati any day of the week!
Critics and fanboys of expensive European brands need to understand one thing: the Tenerre is better precisely because of the things it doesn't do. And when your pocketbook allows it! The Tenerre does much more for the money invested.
When people say middle weight I dont think they understand what middle weight means.
Thanks for sharing but I think the list is quite arbitrary.
No much consideration on proven reliability, dynamic real life behaviour, dealer support and parts, and weight that all combined will leave several bikes off any lists.
I guess if your remove the top word from your list it would meke it less objective yet some of those bikes fall in completely different categories.
It means between weights. So, you have a more feature rich dual sport, which is heavier than a dirt bike with all plastic and nothing else. You have the heaviest adv bikes, then you have the middle of those weight ranges.
@@logangodofcandy So that point in the middle should be closer to 180kg wet rather than 220. I am also saying because we know anything above that it gets really hard exponentially off road to the point than the largest "adventure bikes" are probably the worse option for the idea of any adventure that includes off road travel. You see, all that power, features is no longer needed and we get penalized and sometimes punished for all that extra weight.
They will shine at cruising and do well in the very bad asphalt secondary and local roads but also in those roads are hardly the best option.
That is why the Tenere 700 or aprilia should be at the top that is about the max weight with plenty of power and great geometry. honda 300, dr 650, etc... should be also there for the folks who do not touch highway much to get to the fun places. Those are medium-light more realistic in the adventure world.
One would think adventure involves some off road but maybe not realistically for many so then why not talk about cruisers and the whole mid range adventure stays as a marketing point exploited by manufacturers to upsale based on an idea or dream.
yamaha tenere, everywhere and especially on the way back
Great but too heavy, Yamaha stop improving its bikes for too long now...
@@fred7944Cramming with electronics is not an upgrade. Yamaha don't do that. Statistically, the T7 is almost the lightest of all in the class. The most reliable, the most beautiful. Yamaha doesn't do anything by accident. It doesn't matter if you get somewhere, it matters to be able to return. This is guaranteed only by Yamaha and Toyota.
can people stop calling 200kg+ bikes "middleweights"
I'll go with the klr650 or the dr650. The himalayan
If you have to pay extra to unlock extras , that would put me off buying it no matter how good the bike is
Good luck on muddy roads this over weight loads will give you a workout you will never forget.
Tenere over a Tuareg? No V85TT?
Yes V85 was in honorable mention
Oh yes! I would pick the T7 over any of those other bikes anytime. May be if I was a wanna be adventure traveler then I would pick a fancy bike with tons of electronics. You know, the crap that all those other bikes have and need to barely beat the T7. Like traction control and electronic suspension. And lets not forget the riders who think that they are better than they really are. Poor fellas don’t realize that it's the bike’s fancy electrics doing a lot of the work for them, and not their “great skills.” Wink wink
Real experienced motorcyclists know that it is NOT about which bike is the fastest and more agile. Again, those are things wanna be’s care for. Those who are out to have a “little fun” on weekends, not world travelers. But for me, someone who travels the world, the T7 is more than perfect. Hard to beat in performance. But above all, as badass as it is, it lacks all the electronic junk that all those other bike have and need.
If you are traveling trough a third work country and break down, good luck finding someone who has the know how and specialized tools needed to work of “electronic bikes” (what I call bikes with all the electronic junk). Yeah, good luck with that! And good luck finding parts for that bike. Many third world countries don’t even have an Aprilia, aducati, or other fancy European bike dealers. With the exception of BMW which most countries do have. In most only one dealer in the country, but one is better than none.
In South America I met a guy who told me about a little problem he had with his BMW. He was traveling through Ecuador (if I remember correctly) and his BMW broke down in the middle of no where. Had it shipped to the capital, where the only BMW dealer is in the entire country, and had to wait almost a month for parts to arrive from Germany and for his bike to be repaired. That was money and time he wasted waiting for his bike.
By contrast, another friend was traveling through Mexico on a barebones electronics Kawasaki KLR, when his bike also broke down in the middle of no where. Some farmers picked him up on a pick up truck and took him to the local motorcycle mechanic in the village. Some guy in a small shop in a house garage. The guy was able to fix his bike in a couple of hours.
The beauty about the T7 is not only how good it is, but what it lacks. The only electronics is the ignition system, fuel injection, and ABS. Or what I call the basics.
Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention, the price for parts for electronic and electrical junk on bikes are high enough to empty a bank account quickly. I saw a video of some guy with a KTM690 Adventure bike who had trouble with his display failing. Took it to a KTM dealer and they told him that they needed to change some wire harness. Total bill out of his pocket was 5,100 dollars. Nice! His bike was less than a year old. KTM USA’s warranty doesn’t cover much. Only engine/transmission, swing-arm, and I think frame.
So yeah, as a world traveler, you can keep your fancy bike and I’ll keep my T7.
@@BikerGirlTraveler But wouldn't a T7 have an electronic display that could conceivably have an expensive wiring harness? It's display must show digital readouts for speed, fuel level and engine speed though perhaps not much else. I'd like to get a T7 World Raid someday to get the cool dual tanks though wish they'd just put those on another cheaper version without the steering damper and amped up suspension. I'd be fine with standard T7 suspension I reckon but don't want to pay $4-5k for the World Raid just to get the tank and its looks. If I bought another adventure bike (my 2012 990 Adventure has never failed) it's be a T7 World Raid or an Africa Twin......probably without the DCT and probably not the huge Adventure Sports one that is pretty ugly. The standard Africa Twin 1100 in black and red with white trim looks the best and is the lightest and simplest option. Sure I'd like to have a Desert X Ducati or Triumph 900 Rally Pro triple or even the 1200 triple but that one's getting pretty heavy even the newer 'light' one. At one time I wanted an 890 R or 890 Rally but heard too many horror stories about camshafts and even crankshafts. My local KTM dealer closed soon after I bought my 990, of course, so closest dealer is 5.5 hours away so thinking Yamaha or Honda.
Seriously? That's your top 10 middleweights ?
How can I get a used v-strom 650cc at a reasonable price?
Not sure why we keep calling 230kg bikes. "Middle" weight. ???
Aprilla? Royal enfild 450? Look cf moto 450 win
No way enfield himalayan 450 is on top of that list 😂😂
Are there known issues with the bike that makes it bad for under $7k?
@@logangodofcandy Yes its known to be ugly as hell and only has 40 hp with relatively crap suspension.
If your bike is anything above 400 pounds with luggage it will very quickly become a street touring bike. Less is more if you want to actually go to epic places.
For me the Himalayan 450 is the best 👌 😊
Not sure I would agree with the logic here...Transalp is a very good bike, T7 is a monster and still didn't do well, but Himalayan??? That simply can not be the best Middleweight bike. The reliability, dealer network, power, capability??? No way, no how. Not sure what motivations or reasoning behind the list are but not in my mind, and as it shows, many other people here, which are all bike fans. Maybe do another review, set out the criteria and go from there. But, I don't see anyone choosing Himalayan over any below it, no matter what the money is, unless they live in India and are on the budget...very low budget. And what about Tuareg, really?
1). Vstrom 650XT. 2) Honda NX500 & TransAlps. 3) Yamaha Tenere 4). CF Moto & Kove 800
Are the weights for the bikes wet or dry?
dry for sure... 🤣🤣🤣
Silly ranking. Tuareg missing and Tenere should be at the top
Some say the MT 450 is better than the Sherpa.
The CFMoto 450 MT is the Unicorn, the F***ing bike that true Adventurer wait for so much time !! is not an alternative is the Best, cheapest, serious, affordable, and light weight choise we could have since soo much time ! 🤩
@@fred7944 That's why I ordered one ;)
I guess pricewise its on top. However I think for those who alrrdy drive 600cc+, i think 450 cc would just not be fun.
I guess the Africa Twin was considered higher than Mid-Range? Weight wise it’s very close to some of those middleweights.
Africa Twin is a solid adventure bike, loved riding that!
Honda NX500 ?
Middle-weight? 800 and 900?
Under 500# sounds like middle weight to me.
klr650 adventure, value for money & reliability that can and does circumnavigate the globe??
No ‘24 Ktm 790 for 11k?
Kove 450?
No body will buy himalayan and you will come to know when you try one.
Shows you how ridiculous it is to make videos judging bikes without ever riding one (or maybe 1).finally the cheapest is the best. Who expected that ? No one who ever did a mono on the motorway.
hahaha!!!the top5 bikes loves to stay the repair shop😮😮😮
at the end of the day everybody should buy what he/she likes … period
You forget CF Moto 450 MT
Amazing adventure bike.
Your so much right man ! 🤩
The 450 MT will blow all these fats and heavies adventures bikes !
@@fred7944 Problem is not about specs but about reliability. Would you travel to Mongolia with a 450 mt or most of the bikes on this list apart from Himalayan and T7?
5 monthes later.... it appears the cfmoto 450mt is the current #1 seller for 24
Does seem to be a superb bike - it'll be towards the top next time around
Tuareg best selling middleweight adventure bike of 2023 your list is fictional
What turned me away from a Tuareg is it's yet to be proven reliability, parts availability and cost. This why I went for the Tenere
Apriia tuarag or ktm 690
450MT is better than Himalayan 450
Tenere have hogh weight point bur Ducati are bit too expensive for cheap seat it has..
Good review but I will stay with my classic legendary desert horse KTM 990 Adventure. Love it. Simple brutal primitive power...
V85TT?
Got a mention!
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What a joke this TOP 10 !🤣 Not even a word on the Unicorn : The 450 MT from CF Moto ?!? Just look at it specs and you will forget all your heavy roady adventure bike ! Lighter is better ! 🤩
I have a KTM 1290superduk gt I bought new, my previous bike was a 1190 Adventure I bought my, like you I think too pat for something that is already on the bike is scandalous.
I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER KTM.
yours ripped off twice, NEVER AGAIN.
How much did hymalaian pay you?
Benelli TRK 702x
triumph
Himalayan at #1.
What are you smoking?
Probably the best value, but that's it. Power to weight ratio is awful. It's basically a donkey with a low pressure turbo.
These bikes aren't middleweights! They are light heavyweights. And some are even heavyweights.
Wow😂
Ducati lang sakalam
Dude, what are your qualifications? Have you ridden any of these? Have you gone on a long adventure on any of these? No Tuareg? BS, IMHO.
I've probably ridden well over 100 bikes, on this list I've ridden 5. I haven't gone on a long adventure on all of these, but I rode the Tiger 900 from Lands End to John O'Groats a couple of years ago. Tuareg got a mention at the end. Thanks for the comment.
Электрический эдвенчер....это интересно))
Yeah dont forget your off road battery charger 😂😂😂
Africa Twin is certainly better than a RE Himalayan...
"CF Moto makes the KTM engine"...... gee wonder why so many KTM camshafts are failing before 20,000 miles? Could a CFO Moto do the same????
Middleweight?
Himalayan Is the real king
Africa twin 1100cc is lighter and cheaper than half the bikes in this list
where is CFmoto ????
For sure this youtuber is drunk ! 2024 Top 10 Adventure bike without the unicorn, The CFMoto 450 MT ! What a F****ing joke !! 🤣🤣🤣
Aprilia Taureg over thr Ténéré 700? HELL NO!
I would pick the T7 over any of those other fancy bikes anytime. May be if I was a wanna be adventure traveler then I would pick a fancy bike with tons of electronics. You know, the crap that all those other bikes have and need to barely beat the T7. Like traction control and electronic suspension. And lets not forget the riders who think that they are better than they really are. Poor fellas don’t realize that it's the bike’s fancy electrics doing a lot of the work for them, and not their “great skills.” Wink wink
Real experienced motorcyclists know that it is NOT about which bike is the fastest and more agile. Again, those are things wanna be’s care for. Those who are out to have a “little fun” on weekends, not world travelers. But for me, someone who travels the world, the T7 is more than perfect. Hard to beat in performance. But above all, as badass as it is, it lacks all the electronic junk that all those other bike have and need.
If you are traveling trough a third work country and break down, good luck finding someone who has the know how and specialized tools needed to work of “electronic bikes” (what I call bikes with all the electronic junk). Yeah, good luck with that! And good luck finding parts for that bike. Many third world countries don’t even have an Aprilia, aducati, or other fancy European bike dealers. With the exception of BMW which most countries do have. In most only one dealer in the country, but one is better than none.
In South America I met a guy who told me about a little problem he had with his BMW. He was traveling through Ecuador (if I remember correctly) and his BMW broke down in the middle of no where. Had it shipped to the capital, where the only BMW dealer is in the entire country, and had to wait almost a month for parts to arrive from Germany and for his bike to be repaired. That was money and time he wasted waiting for his bike.
By contrast, another friend was traveling through Mexico on a barebones electronics Kawasaki KLR, when his bike also broke down in the middle of no where. Some farmers picked him up on a pick up truck and took him to the local motorcycle mechanic in the village. Some guy in a small shop in a house garage. The guy was able to fix his bike in a couple of hours.
The beauty about the T7 is not only how good it is, but what it lacks. The only electronics is the ignition system, fuel injection, and ABS. Or what I call the basics.
Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention, the price for parts for electronic and electrical junk on bikes are high enough to empty a bank account quickly. I saw a video of some guy with a KTM690 Adventure bike who had trouble with his display failing. Took it to a KTM dealer and they told him that they needed to change some wire harness. Total bill out of his pocket was 5,100 dollars. Nice! His bike was less than a year old. KTM USA’s warranty doesn’t cover much. Only engine/transmission, swing-arm, and I think frame.
Oh and one more thing, with the many thousands of dollars I save buying a T7 over those over bikes, I can’t do at least a couple of nice trips through Mexico. Like through Baja California. So yeah, as a world traveler, you can keep your fancy bike and I’ll keep my T7.
KTM .. adventure …. Will my Cams met. 😂
Really disappointed this video is number one position RE HIMALAYAN 😂😮
5850pounds for a himalayan🤨,that thing costs around 3000 in india😂
Indian prices for Indian bikes are unreal, to be fair
Tuareg 660 beats the Tenere in every way and all the bikes cost 30% more than both the Tenere and Tuareg. This a very heavy mid size list... i dont think mid size should pass 205-210kgs
Middle weight mean less than 170 kg
Aprilia Tuareg???Winner of Africa Ecorace.
Yes, that’s right.
Royal Enfield Himalayan is the best
Glad you think so, do you own one yourself?