But that's because iPhones didn't have a high rez screen to begin with so people who use it are used to that. Xperia users are used to 4k screens and alpha camera vibes from the Xperia lineup. So yes we will complain about it cos it's a downgrade to what we are used to and expect the price to go down as well since it has been downgraded from our perspective. I have an Xperia 1 IV and was thinking on buying the 1 VI but have changed my mind. Will go in for the Vivo x100 pro rather. I have a pixel 8 pro as well and not impressed with its hardware and performance. iPhone is too restrictive for me considering what I use my phone for so iPhone is a No for me as well. Was considering Samsung but the cost of repairs is too high
What logic ? Did I say anything about how much it should cost ? All I said was, if you're gonna ask for ultra flagship price, your hardware better follow... And it doesn't !
@@peterofori1765 I'm currently in a similar situation with choosing a new phone and x100 pro looks like camera king for this year (at least globally, because x100 ultra is only for chinese market) One thing that I missing from all of these Pro/Ultra models where is almost everything about cameras is missing mechanical shutter button, don't understand why they can't put it there...
I guess you can't please everyone. People whined and moaned about all previous Xperia 1 phones. Sony changes tack, people still moan. The price is high but it still has niche/enthusiast features that most phones do not have. By the way, the screen is 1080+ and close to the iP15PM's pixel density. Fun fact, the previous 4K screen rendered 1080p mist of the time! Here in the UK, you also get the XM5 headphones thrown in for free. That is worth £300....the other option is wait until the price drops and pick one up on eBay....
I guess for me, as a photographer my biggest gripe was more on the letdown when it comes to the hardware in terms of sensors, just recycling last year's module is not good enough at a flagship price point. Then the software is a huge downgrade compared to the V. The price Sony is asking for can get you some very serious bit of kit from other brands and still have quite a bit of change leftover !
No other flagship has this low resolution at the similar screen size, afaik. 1440x3200 20:9 would have been the obvious downgrade if "4k" 1644x3840 643 ppi and 21:9 is too much. This being a slight downgrade from 3840x2160 807 ppi 18:9 Xperia XZ Premium (downgrade due to 21:9 aspect from 18:9 which cut some pixels on the side, and larger screen which means lower ppi). For 9 years they had 4k screen which is arguably too much even for the best eyes. After that they went directly to 1080p. 1440p or ~500 ppi would have been the sweet spot and they skipped it. I can't comprehend how this happened. It's like Sony competitors voted for the changes 😅
@Pegasos4 too soon to even start to think about that device, GSMARENA has a rather strange run down of its specs but none of it makes real sense. Will have to wait and see
@@UpsideLens I take your point and phones are a personal thing so it depends on what one is trying to get out of it. I am currently using the Xiaomi 14 Ultra and I can't wait to get rid, the software simply ruins everything for me. It is the software that is the main thing that draws me to a phone and yes, to a lesser extent the camera. Realistically, and by the process of elimination, the phones that pique my interest are the Pixel and the Xperia series, I'm more of a stock android guy. Currently recovering from an accident but as soon as I'm up and about, the Xiaomi is going on eBay. Already pre-ordered the Xperia 1 vi. I have to admit that without the XM5s thrown in, I probably would have swerved it at £1,299. That price is simply too goddamn high.
They still kept most if not all pro features. And tbh the new macro and tele from what i saw from what gear review, i was impressed by the shots as it was quite good. Even gsm arena said that.
The Xperia 1 VI feels like an iPhone or a Samsung . It has lost its Xperia vibes and looks and feels like an iPhone or Samsung. This move will let it loose most of its loyal customers since the inception of its mark lineups. The aspect ratio of the previous made much more sense to us than this new aspect ratio. The real users of Xperia lineups never complained about the seperate apps for videos and camera. Those who never used it were the ones complaining. Now they have succeeded in chasing away most of their loyal fan base with this release. Which android company uses a 1080p screen for their high-end phones in 2024. Really Sony
Macro is very poor dude, it really really is ! No RAW support, only jpg in macro mode, and still that 12mp sensor... Which can only mean macro in anything but perfect light will be even worse, just physics at the end of the day dude.
I use the Xperia 1 IV and felt no need to upgrade to the mark 5 cos I didn't see that much of an upgrade. Now the Xperia 1 VI is worst. Will surely skip it
tell me, even if they combined the camera applications with pro, does it still have the same functions as 1V, only in one application, and whether video pro will also be as extensive as in 1V or will something be limited. because I've never had an xperia and I'm currently using a samsung s20fe and I want to play with the camera
As a huge Sony fan since the Sony Ericsson days, I have the Xperia 1V and will not upgrade to the 1 VI, because for me it's a downgrade, the camera apps one the 1V are light years ahead of everything else, but the one 1 VI looks like the one that was on my previous XZ3, I strongly agree with the 3rd suggestion, and I have one question, with the Android 15 update, will they remove the photo pro/video pro/cinema pro apps on the 1V and merge them to one app like the 1 VI ?
In regards to your concerns that is what I was also wondering... See normally Sony never update the older devices to the newer features so I hope for Xperia 1 V owners that it won't be the case this time !
Sony must make a product that sells more, period. 1 V was enthusiast phone, it's not possible to keep their phone division on enthusiast phones with low sales. So better buy 1 VI and support them.
I'm afraid I don't use my wallet that way... I don't "owe" sony my support ! It's the other way around here dude ! I do not believe in brand loyalty, I believe in year on year improvement and value for money, in this case, Sony brings neither to my wallet.
Even with those changes, do you honestly think that "reviewers" are going to say yay! ? Ofcourse not, Sony only gave them different things to bash them with, now that Sony is more "main stream" they'll say: oh Sony lost it's identity, Sony is not special anymore bla bla bla, on top of it, Sony is not selling the phone to the market they changed the phone for, how stupid is that 🤦♂️ and I don't buy phones to support companies, they stopped making what I want so why pay them ? I'll buy and support companies who make what I want not what the mainstream wants or what they want ...
While every phone manufacturer has its issues, Sony stands out for meeting our expectations of a phone. It offers a harmonious balance of features. We can expand the storage with a Micro SD card, enjoy high-quality audio through the headphone jack with an excellent DAC, benefit from front-facing stereo speakers, experience improved battery life, and appreciate its classic design, among other advantages. Consider the additional cost of opting for a 1TB version instead of a 128GB version from another phone manufacturer. I want to ensure I receive the best value for my money tbh.🙂
Sure it all depends on your priorities, this video is made from a photographers perspective and as such the VI is a very disappointing product and a very bad value for money product. Now if all you value is battery life, headphones and SD card storage then it's a cracking device 👍
The best phone,with camera software from Sony Alpha cameras,best battery life,sd card slot,3.5 mm headphones jack,best nature screen colours,best sound with ldac,hi res audio,360° spatial sound and much more...
Hi! Can anyone tell me what will happen to the Sony Xperia Pro series, will there be a new variant and when? And is it high quality and good? Have you heard anything about it? Thank you!
It all depends on your needs and wallet, if you're already used to cameras, which you seem to be, you'll have a much better time using the V with it's DSLR like interface similar to the alpha cameras, on the VI you're using a cluttered viewfinder just like any other android or iPhone camera app. There is also the price difference, a V can be found nearly new / pristine on eBay for £500 !!!! The new VI is nearly 3 times as much. Again really depends on your needs. If you have the money and don't care much about the camera aspect then VI would be a good proposition but then so would a lot of other brands which incidentally have much higher camera hardware.
I get your concern, 100%. but i also think its maybe a bit too early to make such judgements. I heard or read that they will add the pro apps again with next OS update. Why they will wait for that for those apps to be added i dont know? maybe optimalisation or so. It would be a waste in itself to just delete the apps for further use, all that work to make such great apps to not use them anymore while most of their core value customers use them so i think its a bit too early to say they will leave that out. it is also 100% good to say that they do go more mainstream that is true. and you can indeed never please everyone. in my personal experience the pro apps can still be improved but i must also say the pro apps are the best in the phone camera department it would be nice for them to focus a bit more on the point and shoot and general consumer camera software. but even i while using the standard camera app on the xperia 5ii for like 98% was shocked seeing this new weird app. means it takes a lot of adjustments for me as a pretty general photography user. I do hope the user experience is getting better with it though, i guess it takes time and some adjustments. it is also what you say a daring move of sony to go so different all of a sudden. but lets see. i wouldnt buy this phone now myself too. 1400 euro for a phone is in my experience way too much money anyway for any phone hahahaa but that said im a cheapskat also. but knowing sony and its quality im sure its a good phone. but time will also tell us. the reviews that are released now deffinitrly not tell the whole story etc.
Already purchased the xperia 1 VI (its on a DHL plane from Hong Kong as I type) - I feel it is an upgrade from the 1 V - the screen issue is a non-event for me; I have so many different phones with all different resolutions, from 4K to the 1080P screen on my Nothing Phone 2 (which I set to 480dp in developer options) - there is no real-world usability difference. I get the conversation about the pro-mode, that's going to be a personal issue for every user, no comment or video chat is ever going to sway an opinion on that.
Like I said in the video that is my opinion only as a photographer. It is not a bad device at all and really depends on what one wants to use it for but again for me the photography aspect has been left out by recycling the same camera sensors as last year, and downgrading the software which is the most important in a photographers workflow, and at that flagship price there is a lot of competition with much better hardware out there hence why it isn't for me. Enjoy 👍
@@UpsideLens completely agree about the price point vs competitors - I bet the next vivo with the bigger than 1" sensor will be a beast. I actually wont be surprised to see the "real" Sony cameras adopt this integrated look into the future - I almost feel it is inevitable.
So how can you expand your market share and you don't offer the phone in the US or China. I own a Sony Alpha camera and I was prepared to make this my next phone. However, it is not coming to the states so I will have to figure something else out or buy an international version.
Sony also has poor customer service. They launched 48mm (lossless) zoom and 48mm bokeh mode in Xperia 5V, but did not allow this on their flagship at the time, the 1 V. Extremely disappointing.
I love Xperia phones and Sony products in general I've quite a few looking around the lounge , my experience regarding Bravia products was outstanding when I had an issue with my TV . I had an issue with my pre order Xperia 1 V getting stuck in the boot loop cycle. Sony forward all UK issues and repairs to SBE LTD My experience was not great I eventually got a new Xperia 1 V after persistent calls and emails . Phone was less than 6 months old at the time. I've also had issues with Bravia core purchases excepting payment but still blocking movies. I think I was unlucky as my previous z5 compact worked amazing for 7 years and still looks like new . My back up iv remains spot on too and hasn't let me down when needed
Photo pro is already part of the app, and it's a complete change to the previous app. The video part (like the old cinepro) is allegedly being worked on and would be released with Android 15 update later this year.
Yes and no, the so-callerd PRO mode is already there for photos but video pro will not be there until android 15. Fancy making your customers wait for months for SONY to actually finish the job?
The Photo Pro mode is the same as before except for the Automatic and the stupid Basic Mode.So as a standard basic app it now looks very successful to me and the Pro mode has remained???You can definitely start the app directly in Pro Mode again.Before, everyone complained about the three apps and the really bad basic mode 🤣Everyone wants longer battery life... Now Sony gives us 2 full days, better than Samsung and Apple and everyone is crying because of the resolution🤣Now Sony is supposed to install larger sensors, which requires a huge camera module, Xiaomi and Co say hello..... And then everyone will complain again 🤣So the only thing that bothers me is that the sensor of the telephoto and 16 mm is not one of the latest generation.Otherwise resolution FHD and two days runtime, significantly brighter..... Great!A little wider so my old eyes can read better...... Great!48 MP option...... Great! 2XZoom better...... Great! Macromodus..... Better autofocus... Great!Better speakers... Great! I think that's a lot.What did Samsung present? A display that is less reflective and is now flat.....Wow!😅And Apple, Xiaomi and Co? Everyone did less better........ These high-end devices are all too expensive.A Pixel 6 for €200 from eBay won't really perform any worse in automatic mode, we all know that?The same applies to a Pixel 8.9, iPhone 15,16, S24 Ultra etc etc...With Sony you get the most for your money I have the B&W PX8 and the blades are so great with APTX adaptive I use the WF1000 xm5 for sports and travel...... Great with LDAC and Qobuz....... I would only like one device and unfortunately that isn't available......Pro i 2😅This was my favorite device so far because it set new standards for taking photos (with a cell phone)
Hello Mate, it has been a change with my Sony Experia purchase, I checked my order on the operator website and they did do hade the experia 1 V! I did contacted them and changed my order from xperia 1VI to Experia 1V and got it for much lower price as well. Now I maybe not getting the latest bells and whistles with the Experia mark V but it's still a good phone by todays standards and the 4k screen will be awesome and it still has the headphone jack and microSD card support. Now I can watch all your wids about Expria mark V and learn all the photography tricks you did with that mobile. Have a nice day mate! 🙂
Great video. Thanks for sharing the honest truth. I totally agree with you. I am very disappointed with SONY. I am done with Xperia. Been using Alphas and Xperia 1 II, III and IV. Am planning to change to VI but very disappointed with this new release. Even though it has a 85 to 170mm zoom, it is still using the tiny tiny 1/3.5" sensor from the 1 series 5 years ago. While all other phone makers are using the largers 1/2" or 1/2.5" new LYT 800/900 sensors with 50MP, SONY is still 12MP and a tiny 5 years old sensor. The telephone Zoom again is going to be soft, blur and unusable especially indoors or in low light. Note that all the RUclips paid reviewers video shows pictures of 85 to 170mm in bright daylight, but onces light is low or indoors, the zoom pictures are unusable. Look carefully and you will all the paid reviewrs' 85 - 170 zoom pcitures are all blurred or with plenty of post-Lightroom sharpening. I am glad Upside lens showed actual zoom pictures here. WAKE UP SONY. This is a downgrade from the 1 V. It is very clear the Xperia is not progressing to compete with others and instead get worst (poorer display, same sensors). Also I want to say, when I first posted and feedback the above, I was attacked by plenty of SONY bots, from "certain" geographies. I was even acused of being paid by others phone makers to attack SONY. Paid by who? Samsung, Oppo, Google, Apple? Or by all? (How I wish, I would be rich by now). It is just puzzling how SONY who makes great zoom sensors for other phones but still uses the tiny 1/3.5" sensor from 5 years ago (used in the Huawei Mate30).
That is the reason I would love for Sony to get back to me when I keep asking to be in touch with someone at their PR or tech department, just to see what makes Sony Xperia division tick and what their "end goal" is, I would be so interested to know, especially like yes they make amazing sensors... Just not for themselves... Shame 🤷
It seems from your words that you are a person who is an expert in technology, and it also appears from your words that you love Sony and want it to develop. I am personally happy with the new improvements to the Sony phone. It finally has the best headphones and the best sound, and it now has the best camera, and I have no problem with the screen resolution, and I am happy that the company did not put a hole in the screen and did not eliminate the SIM port or the audio jack port. But it is sad because the phone again neglected slow-motion photography, and also did not reduce the price of the device, even though it reduced the screen resolution, which was a justification for increasing the price.
True but like I said I won't be getting the VI so that won't happen. I will be doing a lot of videos with the Xiaomi very soon and I'm sure there will be some macro in there 😊
@@UpsideLensSo you decided to include macro shots from the previous model as a representation of the capabilities of the new model? That's... Something.
@henrikw377 not following you here... In this video, the one you're commenting under, the reasons why I won't buy the mk VI I included photos of the Xiaomi as a comparison showing how poor the VI does Vs the Xiaomi. In my other video, the comparison between the the mk V Vs the Xiaomi the shots are from the V against the Xiaomi... I'm not following your insinuation that I put photos of an older model to represent the new one...
I like watching reviews or in this case not a review but a statement because it gives another viewpoint . I don’t agree with it but it’s just as important as the gushing reviews we usually get . For the record I WILL buy the 1 vi because of the different form factor , something I said I would never do when it was announced . So , I have changed my mind and taken the plunge but until I try the phone I can’t offer a valid reason not to like it ( or to like it) … the proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say… I want to add an update … after trying the Sony 1 vi I can categorically say that I am returning it . In my opinion Sony have tried to appeal to everyone but have taken away the very heart of the 1v which is to the detriment of the phone .. I can just about live with the half way house form factor but the new camera app in my opinion is dire . At least when we had the three apps everything was easy to negotiate.. unfortunately the one app now feels cluttered and unprofessional , in fact downright messy ! Sony may gain a few extra interested people but I’m sorry , I will go back to the 1v or as i may bypass the Xperia all together . One point I would like to make .. why did they do away with the haptics when watching movies or sports on the 1 vi ???? It was a great feature . Also , why oh why doesn’t the Home Screen auto rotate .. I questioned Sony about this but they said “ press the auto rotate button” er , duh ! Wow Sony , dint you think I tried that .. the Home Screen doesn’t rotate folks .
I got to try it for 5 hours non stop a couple of days ago, and unsurprisingly was very underwhelmed. The 2 main let downs are the Telephoto lens which manages to be slightly worse than the V (that includes the macro ability too) and the terrible UI which is very backwards and ill thought out but was also very glitchy in the few hours I got to test it. If it was my money I'd either go for the V or another brand. I will have a video out at some point as I still need to go through hundreds of raw files i shot ftom the day 👍
The speakers and headphones DAC are way better sounding if you're an audiophile, early cameras samples are performing better on auto mode as I've witnessed on some RUclips video comparisons..i think its a compelling upgrade especially for us on the Sony Xperia 1 mark IV
From a sound perspective I must admit I can't comment on the subject, I have mild deafness in one ear so to me all sounds the same, joys of being reckless when I was younger and spending way too much time near big ass speakers at concerts lol.
Can u recommend me a good phone with a good camera, long battery life, and micro so card because after they announced that the mark 6 isn’t coming to America I’m going in a tiny crisis now
In Photo Pro, manual focusing can be easily done with one hand, which you hold your smartphone with. For some reason, in the ugly new app, manual focus is on the screen and not in the function menu. Previously, you could hold the phone firmly with your left hand, and move the sharpness slider with your right hand and press the shutter button. This reduced the shaking of the phone. Now you have to move your finger across the screen with your left hand, and set the settings with your right hand and press the shutter button. Why is there this huge white shutter circle in Pro mode if it takes up the workspace? Why was the histogram removed to the farthest corner? Why were the menu buttons removed from the left side of the screen? There is now an empty black stripe there. Why do I need inverted Pro, Bokeh and other inscriptions in Pro mode? Why do I need zoom on the right side of the screen if it was much more convenient on the left side of the screen?
Bro I'm entirely with you on this one ! A lot of people somehow don't seem to mind and find it more intuitive ( LOL ) as photographer enthusiasts we just know the new app sucks big time 😞
Honestly, I was really bummed by the lack of 4K screen. Really thought they'd pull a Sony and make a 4K LTPO screen but I guess it's a pipe dream now. I'll still buy it since I'm more interested in macro photography but that price is gonna be painful.
One thing I'll say is if macro is of interest you'll have a much better time with other brands out there, which not only will save you hundreds Vs the Sony and with much higher screen quality, brightness and resolution as well as generations ahead in terms of camera hardware !
@maxganondorf were playing with semantic here. True real 4K is actually 4096x2160 then ultra HD is 3840x2160. Now seeing the Xperia 1 has a shorter aspect ratio they still class it as "4K" due to its 3840x1660 panel
The features I really like about Xperia Phones, at least the recent models, from Xperia 1 up to the 1V, are: -the tall skinny design which made it feel so elegant in hand. -The camera interface, it surely made it feel like operating a camera with a phone, rather than a phone with a camera. And it goes for all 3 apps; photo pro, cinema pro and video pro. Those interefaces were a delight to handle. And - The 21:9 aspect ratio. I enjoy wathcing a movie in this format. Sony is the only 1, that I'm aware of, who offers all of the 3 features above. Not a big fa of the all in 1 camera app, but at the same time, if it was a move to apply to a wider market, good luck and hope to have Xperia phones for many years to come.
The third option would have been great...Why bother to buy a phone with subpar auto mode and pro mode like everyone else (No hate on sony i'm xperia 5 iii user)...Could've gotten 14 ultra with best auto mode, better camera and same pro mode as new Xperia....It's just too hard to sallow no 21:9 display not even 1440p display, no pro camera apps which i almost every-time use...They just screwed their core fans, yet can't able to make a good phone for average users....It's not good for us nor the average consumers, no unique features for example for Samsung it's spen, xiaomi it's 1inch sensor with very high end secondary leans,pixel for best point and shoot camera, what xperia has now to be unique among those phones ? Spen ? 1 inch senor ? high resolution uw,tele leans ? best point and shot camera ? NO, Best thing about the xperia was it's 21:9 display, pro camera apps, 4k display (although it's overkill but still).. only thing they have now it's just expandable storage and 3.5mm jack , but almost 80% of people don't care about them, they just forgotten this thing existed.... asus zenphone seires died because of this kind of mistake screwed their core fans, I don't want sony to be in the same position... Please brink back what used to be good and working and made it better from there....Like 1440p 21:9 ltpo panel, two camera app one just phone auto mode, and second one like perivous three pro apps bundled into one app, do not change anything, we do not want to learn thing over from scratch....If they continue to this kind of BS then 1 V would be my last Sony phone, I won't gen another sony phone...I'm done
Here hoping for the next Sony Pro phone. The Pro-C appears to be scheduled to be announced sometime in Q4 of this year according to a phonearena article i came across today. If this is real then Sony may be able to fix all the mistakes of 1 vi while also improving over the Pro-i few missteps.
As a frequent traveler, I've been waiting for a US-release of the phone to finally get an integrated eSIM . . . Guess I'll be hanging on to my Mark III for much longer. Even single release seems like its been a downgrade, with this one being the most substantial. If they want to make a phone for the typical person, isn't that what the 10-series was supposed to be? Why step-down the 1s and the 5s and alienate your core fanbase? If you try to please everyone, you'll end up pleasing no one. Sony's really missing the mark - pun intended.
I think X1VI is a great phone, but lost some of its magic with these changes. I just got the X1V 2 weeks ago so not really concerned. Been a Sony phone user since 2005 and I also love how the fake bokeh looks soo authentic on Xperia and no other phone come even close to that due to the lack of defocus gradation that real cameras have and phone makers don't understand.
Thank you. I before I saw your video, I wasn’t aware that they had ditched the Photo Pro app. As far as I have been able to determine, you can’t even shoot in raw anymore. That makes it a hard pass for me. Pity, because Sony had finally made the OS support halfway decent.
You can still shoot in raw, the only difference is the interface that has been changed around and makes it a lot less pro and very cluttered Vs the old photo pro app.
Sony was never about poor people... You pay the brand, but the quality is there. Don't get me wrong, I took a photo with Xperia 1 ii and Samsung Ultra 24, and Samsung produces more noise than an old Sony. Yeah, there are downsides, but hey, the old 4k was running 1096 most of the time. It should not make a big difference.
I haven't got a problem with charging a premium for quality, but when you see the competition using Sony's own top of the range sensors in their phones when the Xperia VI is recycling literally 3 sensors from last gen you have to double guess yourself if Sony still stands for quality mate...
As a long, (but realy long) time Sony Xperia fan, I'm use to disappointment. I really can't understand a decision making and philosophy behind. It's like they like to shoot themself in foot every few years. They start with good idea and make some progress, and then it's like they loose themselves. This phone is like one step forward and two steps back. I completely agree with your opinion. However we have new leaks today from Insider Sony, and there is new device in horizon, Xperia Pro-C. The handset will be succeed the Xperia Pro-I and will bring some changes. Displey 6.0 - inch (???) and 2k resolution (???).. Main camera 1-inch 50mp sensor.. Price will probably be like 2k euro or something like that.. 😂..
So there i no photo pro app option? shame.. as in the other phones basic was the auto version... i'll still stick with sony as they still us headphone jacks as well
I'm buying it simply because nobody offers all the features it offers in one phone. Wide, Standard and optical zoom + wireless charging + microSD + headphone jack + IP68. If I could buy a Samsung S series with a microSD card, I would probably stay on their ecosystem but I'm tired of paying an extra $500 for extra memory. Now just to get my hands on one.
It does seem to tick all your boxes and I'm sure you'll enjoy it, never said not to buy, only why it just doesn't make sense to me or photo enthusiasts in general. I'm sure it will now appeal to wide range of people who don't mind the price and will make use of all the other awesome features the VI has up its sleeve 👍
I was so hyped about it. Unfortunately, there are 2 reasons I'll not buy it. 1st - Cameras pixel 2nd - Screen resolution I was counting the days to order it. 😢
Oh looks like you got yourself a vivo. You made pretty good points, don't let the fanboys put you down. I found the best description to be like they often described high end flagships with focus on camera as having 1 cohesive camera with 3 lenses while on the Xperia it feels like you got 3 cameras, because they differ so much from each other in terms of detail, processing, color reproduction, where it simply starts feeling like you don't have 1 coherent unit. Xperia really feels like main camera is the 'star' while the others are just extras. The Xperia 1 VI is a big fk you to their customers. Looking forward to your comparison, which is today?
No video today, had had to push it back til tomorrow 2pm just needed a little more polish, but you'll get 2 videos for the price of 1 😉 they will both be live simultaneously 👍
@@UpsideLens Sounds awesome. Gonna be interesting to see the mystery phone, the other macro monster I can think of is the Pura 70 and if you got one of those, then damn that video would be extremely interesting to me, as I've always wanted to see a phone of that caliber in a photographers hand.
*_I said exactly that and a lot of people criticized me. I believe they should have added everything they added but keeping everything that the Xperia 1 Mark V was and would be an absolute success but they changed the screen, changed the format and tried this idea of trying to please everyone. I think they've made a serious risk seeing that their Smartphone business has been down 40% in the last few years and now at the end of that year and in these last few months leading up to the Mark VI, they've grown again. But these things started happening even before the new smartphone arrived and now I don't know what to think about what it might be in the future, but I'm not happy either and I'm seriously thinking about abandoning the marca._*
I have the Xperia V, i am going to sell it. The iPhone 15 pro apple Log does the job better than any others. And I can color it anyway i want, i can apply LUTS on the fly and the apple software and chip is snappy. They just are miles ahead in their software. I just never liked their out of box colors and they’ve fixed that.
For video specifically the iPhone is indeed really good straight out of the box but there are better devices with more customisation and better quality for the ones who know all about video.
@@UpsideLens actually that used to be the case. However now with their new app Final cut Pro app and free Black Magic, you can set iso, aperture, white balance, and frame rate, and every single control you have in any other camera. Apple Log is a game changer and they have a huge option of after market lenses you can plug in to your phone. I have color graded their log and you can't tell the difference in my ZV-EV1 Sony and iPhone footage.
Personally, I don't mind those changes. It's hard to tell the difference in resolution in real life. I didn't like the Pro app interface anyway. Aspect ratio was only good for cinematic movies, with many apps not optimized for it. AI can be turned off, so it's not a problem. Most likely usable in certain conditions. For me, these phones are not only about cameras. Sony is the only manufacturer that didn't drop 3.5mm audio jack or microSD expansion. Not only that, they are rocking a solid 24bit/192kHz DAC. Gaming overlay is one of the best, allowing to bypass battery when plugged in to the charger. In my opinion, the Xperia range has been extremely underrated because of being such a niche. I hope it will bounce back because it may end up like many great smartphone manufacturers that are dead now. Dead because they were too stubborn and refused to evolve.
Absolutely get that Xperia phones are not only about cameras and photography but the point I was making, and my opinion about why I won't buy it is purely based on a mobile phone photographer point of view 👍
Since yesterday I swapped the 1vi for the 1V..... I recommend you reshoot the video😂.The 1V really has no chance against this. Before the 1V I had the Pro i.The differences in the main camera were very small. This is a different number.
What I said still stands sadly, same 3 sensors recycled from last year (telephoto sensor recycled from Xperia 1 IV ! ) cluttered and counterintuitive new photo UI, murky macro shots, no RAW macro, no 48mp RAW... Unfortunately too limited for photo enthiusiats.
@@UpsideLens Well, the main sensor is a year old😅The closest focusing distance It's significantly better The autofocus too. You notice straight away.I'm telling you camera has improved significantly Unfortunately the telephoto camera hasn't gotten any better, but otherwise The Pro modes are exactly the same as the 1v Except video...... The RAW files now look as if someone had activated Ultra HDR mode 😅So the RAW files are prepared significantly more.Oh yes and the display is in a completely different league than the 24 is better anti-reflective Throw the Chinese cucumber In the corner and buy this😅
Like many i was really disappointed with this release, ive been using the much maligned 1iv and was hoping to get the 1vi this year, but the lack of any sensor upgrades at all is baffling, and the camera UI change is a bummer, and then considering all that no price drop! The thing is i dont want a 7" brick in my pocket running on a Chinese room just to get the camera features so sony was previously choice, plus the SD card convenience. Gutted, though I guess my bank balance will be healthier for it! Oh for a Pro-i mk11 with multiple lyt900 sensors or even better a 1" type version of the current main cam sensor...
You should be happy Sony finally makes a smart move and develop a product for BROAD spectrum of consumers. This will keep them ALIVE. if they keep doing niche phones they will die like LG.
@GallAnonim-jx2cz yeah absolutely, happy for them but that is the reason, AS A MOBILE PHONE PHOTOGRAPHER I will not buy this phone as it doesn't cater for that niche anymore and other brands have now caught up and exceeded what Sony has to offer in terms of hardware.
Totally agree with you. Was eagerly anticipating an upgrade on the zoom sensor. Hugely disappointment when SONY retained the tiny 1/3.5" sensor from 5 years ago. Really puzzle when SONY makes excellent 1/2" or 1/2.5" laterst LYT 800/900 sensors for other phones.
@@GallAnonim-jx2czthere is no such thing as a device for a wide range of customers, show me one average user who will buy an Xperia at this price and not a 15Pro/S24 Ultra or something else where he will get better photos in point and shoot, more SW functions, faster updates, charging... you can but Oneplus 12 with Sony LYT sensor for much cheaper...
I am a massive and almost fanatical Sony fan (one look will confirm this) but even I will not buy the Xperia 1 VI as I have the 1 V and for me the camera hardware is t he same, there are too many downgrades and the camera interface looks like a CHILD has designed it.
@@pillepolle3122 I am! well i was but im moving away from Xperia now as they have left us more 'videography enthusiasts out in the cold' going back to my roots aka SONY ALPHA Cameras
I'd suggest looking into brands like Xiaomi mate (I know it probably doesn't sit well with the ethos of your channel tho lol) when it comes to video you can record all the way to RAW 14bit video !!! I personally use it to record 10bit LOG as much less storage space needed. That combined with the 1 inch sensor and 200mbs gives you insane results !
@@theSFCchannel but why don't you buy a phone when you really need a new one. I use a phone a least for five years. Phones are just tools and when a tool functions without a problem there is no need to buy a new one. You would save a lot of money and notice a huge difference when you buy a new phone after 5 years.
What are you going to get instead though? To my knowledge, even with the downgrades and watered down pro features of the 1 VI, there aren't really any other smartphone manufacturers that offer a better alternative for photography enthusiasts.
@@UpsideLensI can see what looks like a phone charging in the background, but I can't tell what it is. I feel like the LYT 900 sensor already being in other phones could be a clue... perhaps the Oppo Find X7 Pro? But then you'd have to import the Chinese version and mess about installing Google services, since there's no global version available.
Thank you, I have literally nothing to gain from this, like a lot of people I was really excited about it and a couple of months ago I even made a video about my wishes for the VI and how excited I was about it all... You can understand my frustration when I woke up to this announcement haha
Agree. They feel maintenance of three apps is overhead. Also, feedback of pro apps will reduce as more and more people get used to simple camera apps. Definitely not ideal for alpha users.
Just doing a review with a credit to your goodself, as you gave me the idea for the Powerrig magnetic filter holder for Sony. Just filming a review for it now
If you intend on using it long term I highly suggest tweaking it with a bit of cardboard or black tape to cover the gap on the back if you arranged the mount so it is centered with all the lenses. If you have mounted it so there is no gap then you'll get massive vignetting from the other 2 lenses. Enjoy 😀
I really agree with you on everything, and I feel betrayed, I was an Xperia customer since the Mark II, I didn't want a pixel because its processing is horrible, its point-and-shoot essence didn't express what I wanted to capture, I thought this Mark VI would be more but they decided that it was very pro for people who, in itself, They didn't flip to Xperia, they won't have any more money from my Sony.
SO.. I asking Sony since xperia 1 ii to add one small feature, voice shutter in pro mode, for the onehanded Photographers and they answered that no -cause this is not pro feature... and now they did simpler version too reach those "normal users" but voice shutter for handicap Photographers is still not available... sick
@@UpsideLens I loved xperia pro I but cause of that I had to sold it cause I was frustrated to set timer for ten secs then push shutter and than finally shoot the Model, and not always composition was the same like I want in the beginning..
Everything I'm curious is processor and if that new model not going to be hot after 5 minutes to watch video or RUclips for example. I had sony xperia old model and my experience was ultra bad! Everything worked slowly and phone started to be really hot ,I mean temperature was only up and up. And them phone stopped to work automatically. So what about this model?
SD GEN 1 was notorious for getting pretty hot but SD GEN 2 definitely fixed that in the Xperia 1 V. Now in it's 3rd revision I can vouch for a very snappy, efficient and cool usage, at least in another device, I'm sure the VI will be similar too in that regards 👍
@UpsideLens thank you brother. Actually I have my choice between 2 models sony xperia 1 vi or Samsung Galaxy s23 ultra 🤔 and honestly I just sucked in the Owen. Cuz I'm really like design of Sony experia 1 vi , but I scare to pay same price for it. Then I can just buy Samsung Galaxy s 23 ultra without any problems. But that s 23 ultra is really big I guess. So I'm just worried about hot temperatures in sony 😕. Thank you.
I had it pre-ordered through O2....but then cancelled it after thinking more on it. I have a Sony A6700 camera with 3 lenses covering most ranges. I wanted the 1 MK VI to literally be a camera system similar but with mobile limitations (sensor size) to an alpha camera with a phone tacked on. But the 1 VI is just too much of the same with the differences they have made making little sense. In the end I can keep rocking my iPhone 15 Pro Max, iMac 2023 and Sony A6700 to pretty much cover all my photography and post edit needs. The iPhone really annoys me with its over processed images, but then I literally use it when my camera is not with me....which is what a mobile camera phone is for I guess. I really really wanted the 1 VI to be so advanced in camera hardware and remain focused on Pro Mode....but as you pointed out - it's pretty much just an extra zoom, lesser screen and the same damn price. The screen downgrade, which allows better battery life (can't complain) and LTPO with a "50%" increase in brightness (though tech testers put it more like 30%), is criminal! iPhone, Pixel and Samsung are hitting the 2000nits mark with HDR and better resolutions and still LTPO - so how can Sony justify the same (close to iPhone/Samsung) price?! Maybe there is hope for the Xperia rebranding...but if they are going to kill the niche appeal - maybe they should just exit the market and those looking for serious photography should turn to dedicated cameras.
Yes unfortunately that's where it's at, Sony having an identity crisis haha. I agree about iPhones as much as I love the video aspect of those things I just can't stand the processing on them or the bad optics they rock. It's pretty reasonable to say you're covered for a while with your setup anyway 👍
for me, the only advantage of the Xperia over the competition is the autofocus and the mechanical shutter button, but I can't justify it against competing devices, where I get an overall better product and now even same "Pro" mode for camera
I hope they never listen to what you suggested regarding making it thicker and adding a larger battery and bigger camera as the weight and the size is what keeps me coming back to Sony. Other than that I hate to agree with many of your points. I wonder if they would be able to bring out Xperia 1 vii...
Software has been a bane to all Sony products, as they are not really sure what direction it should be in. But I do believe though, given some time, the new camera app will be the better solution compared to what we have previously, just need more Xperia touches here and there. The zoom lens however, needs to be significantly fine tuned to be sharper, not only sharpen post-process. I never do find the 1080p screen such a downgrade as Z and XZ (not premium) has always been 1080p but the price not dropping really hurts.
With rumours surrounding Pro-C, I guess they had to make Xperia 1 VI significantly less impressive so that pros would draw more towards the pro-c once it's out. I'm guessing the price is going to be 2k lol. Nothing else makes sense on why Sony would go this route!
Those rumours are indeed just rumours at this stage and wouldn't even want to entertain speculating on the subject since none of the leaks in terms of hardware make any sense whatsoever. We'll have to see closer to the time if it's shaping to be true 👍
Spot on! How can you release a camera centric phone with its pro video app pending till autumn? Just to add to your own gripes. My last Xperia phone was the 1 ii, which was a big letdown. It mostly sat in a drawer, unused, unnecessary... after I'd forked out quite a bit of money. For 2 years I've been on an S23 Ultra and it's still fantastic. Would have liked to be lured back to Xperia but they can't do it for me. So many reasons, Sony will never learn...
The V in comparison is a fantastic device, I have thoroughly enjoyed the last 6 months with it hence why I was excited about the VI until it came around the corner 😞
In EU we need 25fps from a Sony phone! Did SONY actually removed 25fps - Pal mode ??? All previous version had 25fps for EU Countries (with 230V 50Hz) No feature is more important than having usable framerates especially for SONY camera users (your No.1 customers) Even more when this will not be released in America (if i understood correct) WHY ? Because without it we get extreme flickering at most artificial light conditions. To avoid this we will have to adjust the shutter speed at every shooting condition (requires knowledge), while sacrificing motion blur control and ease of use! We were expecting an upgrade with 50fps and 100fps also in EU. We don't mind the screen changes with it's pros and cons that much... 85-170 lens gives more reach but image is still soft, Macro mode better - Night mode bit better.... Good additions BUT........... We were waiting for this SONY mobile for months and now you give us no choice than to buy an the iphone with over sharpened footage, no sd card slot, no 3.5 mm audio jack.
even just one camera app would be fine if switching to pro mode would switch to Photo/Video pro UI like it had 1V, but it could easily be implemented all under one app... I don't understand why Sony decided to completely transform one of its strengths into a pro mode that is indistinguishable from the competition
I find your opinion quite harsh😅.....I think UHD is nonsense since I got my Pro i and I don't notice anything about it with my 1 V either😅..... But what bothers me a lot about the 1 V is the performance in everyday life.The Pro i ran much more smoothly even though the processor is two years older. This really annoys me a lot.Otherwise I think the 1V is great. But I ordered the one Mark 6.I find the aspect ratio better for reading and I don't really watch films on my phone.I don't know what to think of automatic mode either, I loved the old camera app The photos look more mainstream now.I'll only shoot in manual mode anyway and I hope that the changes there aren't that bad.I agree with you completely about the additional app, but I think that's exactly what Sony didn't want. There's been so much criticism about the three apps... I think it's really hard for Sony to please everyone And yes, the device, like all the others, is far too expensive.
I absolutely stand by your final comment.....it's all about mobile photography and the techniques and tools to get the best out of you and the device! I really like Sony phones , the UI, features along with build quality. Price has remained the same now for the past few years but I never feel the next gen is truly next gen but just a final of what the previous phone should have been. The Xperia 1 V did get an update to improve the telephoto which it did but not a night and day difference. It's also more tuned to close range zoom instead of true distance. I'm not hugely fussed about macro but I think Sony missed the mark and should have used the new examor T sensor on all the lenes. The one other thing I wish Sony did was improve the current set up more , software can make a difference to quite a few things regarding image quality but the life span to improve is a year before it becomes security and OS updates We don't see any further substantial improvements or features added to the camera/ video set up My wife's OPPO find X3 pro got camera and software improvements over the past few years and it's still a formidable set up. I too love manual control, even if it's really just iso and shutter with these phones the rest can be edited really easily. Video though is outstanding on this phone hands down Like many things the vi will get optimized for Android 15 but I agree I didn't have a problem with separate modes for photo /video/cinema as pointed out it kept all those adjustments to those functions. Still if the price drops substantially on black Friday I'll think about it or just wait for the rumoured Xperia pro C later in the year. Keep up the good work
Thank you appreciate the kind words 👍 and absolutely spot and in line with what I also think, this channel, unlike what a few people thought they'd let me know is not an Xperia channel lol it's a mobile phone photography, just thought I'd remind those publicly haha. Time will tell which direction Sony goes in the long run but it would seem the core features are changing and they're shifting their focus on other things. A shame for the long time users.
Good analysis, vastly correct, basically what you propose as a third option is what Samsung does in its own way with a separate app called galaxy expert RAW sony could have maintained its apps perfectly but it didn't
Not quite expert RAW. Samsung's expert RAW is in some ways worse than regular RAWS since they add extra processing. What I wish they had done was 1 dumb / noob proof camera with all the processing they live and 1 pro camera app with all raw shooting and alpha camera like UI just like in the 1 V. By keeping them separate you prevent regular Joe's complaining about looking too difficult to understand
When we look at the tech and effort the other companies put in their phones like xiaomi with the 14 ultra and vivo with the x100 ultra it's disappointing that sony as a leading manufacturer of camera tech seems to be behind on mobile photography
I don't mind the price Because my sony phones rarely breaks when it does is my fault 😅 I think other phones is cheaper because they put cheaper stuff, they gain more money with fixing then buying, my dad went 10x times to fix problems on iphone while I did not go yet to fix my xperia 1 ii So the price is worth paying for keeping it for 5 years remember Xperia 1 ii released in 2020 XD
what about the rumours of a so-called "Sony Pro-C" (alleged successor to the Pro-I?) I found a reddit sub with the rumour of this Pro phone with the (hopefully) the LYT-900 sensor. Anyway, those are rumours.. I'm gonna stick with my 1V as well for the same reasons you listed. But actually thought the new telelens would be sharper. My state of GAS pulls my fingers, but I keep coming back to the notion that I'll most likely be disappointed considering the only "new" thing is the extended zoom. I mean, zoom is nice but for those ranges no phone has yet to deliver usable results in terms of photography - of course gimmicks with moon-shots and other are funny, but honestly terrible pictures.. for zoom, you need a real camera for usuable results. But thanks for the video mate! You are a master and have opened my eyes in terms of how to edit the raw files from the Xperia. Bless you man! Peace from DK (if you are ever in CPH, hit me up for a photowalk)
Would definitely love to go your way ! Its definitely on my bucket list ! And thanks for the kind words 👍 means a lot. Really glad my videos do help people 🙂 that's the whole point of me making them
So basically this smartphone focuses on a well optimised automatic mode in order for Sony to gain more popularity, money and feedback to know in such direction they should go. Definitely not a good smartphone. It makes me think of getting a Sony Xperia 1V. ( currently shooting with a Sony A7R and a iPhone 14 Pro Max, but the zoom camera of the iPhone is so terrible )
I wanted to change my iPhone 15 Pro for Sony 1 VI, and they I saw they deleted a Pro layout, which tbh was the only one thing I wanted the phone, it just looked Pro as in my Sony camera, and now it looks like every other android one... Thank god though.. The lenses are pretty bad compared to the other new flagships like Xiaomi 14 Ultra. I'd now have a great layout, and still bad lenses, so they saved my money by their mistake 😅😅
I mean the Xperia 1 V is now at a very attractive bargain price and still is a really good phone for photography (can't even compare with the 15 pro max ! ) and has the photo pro app 👍
@@UpsideLens Sure! For a good price, it's very attractive. If somebody has a collection of different phones, as it was me, I'd definitely find a place for it. But having iPhone Pro 15, as my everyday phone, I'd buy just Xiaomi 14 Ultra as a camera imitation, when from time to time, I want to just have some fun outdoor and leave my gear. And there is also a point for Xiaomi, their 3x and 1x is very bright, both F1.8. iPhone is really dark in the 3x - F2.8, so it is bad for night shooting, really, trust, noisy as hell. At the small sensor, every stop of light is important in that circumstances.
@pentagramyt417 oh by any means go for the Xiaomi 14 ultra, that's the phone I have now (see all my latest videos about the Xiaomi 14 ultra and what type of amazing results you can get with it ) and yes I know the iPhone is not great (my partner has it 🙄) and it's due to aging hardware and bad decisions from Apple's part.
Tbh I didn't try as it was the middle of the day BUT things to consider with the Sony VI and something that I do highlight in my next video is that the stabilisation is quite bad at longer zoom range vs other smartphone, something to keep in mind especially when doing macro shots or like moon shots for example.
Time will tell but never been a big fan of Samsung over the top processing from photos to videos. As a photographer Samsung phones just can't compete with the rest. As a casual overall phone yes they're up there with apple and Google.
Many looks like disappointed in Sony xperia 1 VI, which is maybe reasonable, the xperia got from 4k to 1080p screen and the camera and camera app is worse but if you compare to other big mobile phones you get: audio jack ( no IP or SG has it ) besides the inbuild 256/512GB memory you get micro sd card memory expansion slot up to 1.5TB ( No IP or SG hast this today!) . Almost 2 days of screen time , snappy Snapdragon® 8 Gen3 Mobile Platform mobile processor which is good for games and other heavy apps and it's a Sony! and if you buy this phone today you get an Sony WH-1000XM5 wireless noise canceling headphones for free! I wanted to buy the Xperia 1V from my mobile operator but it was out of stock so I getting the Xperia 1 VI instead. I have had Iphones and Samsung Galaxy almost 15 years and I wanted something different and the Xperia 1 VI was cheaper than IP 15 or SG S24.
I dont disagree with you, for many it is a good phone but as a photography centric phone it is still a major overpriced disappointment ! Same sensors as last year on all cameras (and even recycling telephoto sensor from Xperia 1 IV !!!!), major downgrade in the photo app with a cluttered and busy UI and half baked new features aka no raw when shooting at 50mp and no raw when shooting in macro. Again this video was from a photographers point of view, not from average Joe point of view. Photography and videography has been at the center of Xperia for years hence why the VI just doesn't cut it for that anymore, and overall the reason why I'll stay far away from it 👍
@@UpsideLens I'm a weekend or a glad amateur/casual photographer, have a couple Sony full frame dslr like a Sony A7 II, A7R and some APS-C like NEX 7, Sony α6500, RX100 V etc. I use them if I want take quality pictures on the other side the phone camera is for casual, free fast photo and video device for me. The phone camera serves it's purpose very well when I need non-critical pictures but for critical and creative shoots I only use my DSLRs. Of course you can use phone cameras for creative shoots and today the phone cameras are a marvel of technology achieved in a small package but they just can't compete with DSLRs today. I chose the Sony xperia 1 VI for all the functionalities I get in this mobile vs the other mobile phones, Yes the price is steep but it was still cheaper then other mobile brands flagship models on my mobile operator website ad I got it on 3yr plan. You are right, it's a downgrade from xperia 1V and i wanted that mobile in a first place but my operator does not have it in stock anymore so I made a choice to go with xperia 1 VI despite it's inferior camera and camera app but i hope it going to be a good enough replacement for my Samsung galaxy S10 from 2019. 🙂
@lajson mate it'll be a night and day difference with the galaxy S10 yes that's for sure ! 3 years plan though ouch 😬 who you with ? Thought plans were still 24 months
@@UpsideLens Yeah it sucks but I don't change my phone every 2 yr and I got it cheaper with 10% rabats and 30gig/month data plus a free Sony wireless headphones.🙂 I have " Tre" (Three in UK ) in Sweden
I like the phone and i'm not as pro photo user than you are. I like Sony brand. But what's retain me to buy it is the only 3 years of updates for a sush expensive phone. Jack and SD card support are good arguments. But... 3 years for this price... Damn !
No offence to Marques, love his work, commitment and production level but he does very superficial coverage of tech, which can guide most people into one direction or one another, but when it comes to in-depth analysis of tech that's not his thing, it would confuse his viewer base. But thanks for that 😉
@@UpsideLens exactly. Not only one time I "catched" him saying wrong things, showing he was superficial in the analysis. Otherwise yeah, video production level is lovely to watch. Thank you too for the heart!
They stated the final camera/ video camera application has yet to finalize. So do hope for a great combination of both Photo pro as well as Video pro in it!
Correct for the video pro app, which that in itself doesn't sit well with me, you buy a device for what it is not for what may come along later on. The prime example of that being the sensor crop 48mm that was meant to be updated on the 1V from the 5V, and they never did ! The "PRO" part of the photo camera is sadly already there and all changed, the old Alpha like UI is now a thing of the past sadly.
Definitely agree with the V ! One of the best phones I've had in years, was a bit sad to let go of it but it was time for me to move on 👍 enjoy it and let's hope they don't port the new camera app to the V 😅
funny i saw like 10 different test of this phone compared to the last one sony phone and the only downgrade is the screen wich was big overkill to begin with..lmao..so i dont get you to be honest..everything else in that phone is a huge upgrades :)
I guess you didn't see the part about all the camera sensors being the same as last year... I guess you didn't see the part about the software being dumbed down to accommodate noobs and leaving the "pro" not so "pro" anymore, I guess you also skipped the part about the macro mode being pretty bad... I mean this video is from a mobile phone photographer point of view, not for everyday user point of view if that makes sense
@@UpsideLens i saw everything and the new model is still a upgrade no matter how hard you cry about it..the phone photographer you talk about should stop complaining to.so i guess you did not get my comment..and all the "pro" stuff is still there so guess you missed that too :)
Build and improve the foundation that you already have.. Bingo! That's all they do.. they listen to Mkhd. Which was a bad move. Like you said, they should have just improved on what they already had.
Maybe next year Sony will finally replace the ultrawide and telephoto lens that have been recycled for three generations (I IV- IVI). The 1 VI really falls between two stools. Sony wants to appeal to mainstream customers, but it can’t hold a candle to Apple or Samsung in terms of software support. New features are never backported to older Xperias ( the 10 IV can run creative look yet the 1IV did not get it with the Android 14 update. And the 1IV retailed for £1299 when it launched😂😂 ). For those who don’t care about longer software support/ new features and buy an Xperia for its pro camera features, the new simplified camera UI will fail to impress. Sony can update the three pro apps and put them on the Play Store. But Sony probably won’t listen to its customers.
well.. I think it's too soon to tell the VI not remarkable.. maybe it will have major update rather than V.. hope Sony will do major update too for V..
well I mean the update software is for only the basic mode and the periscope performance.. the rest camera app (photo, video, cinema pro) must updated too but not into one app like on VI.. seriously, Sony can do better to make the three apps become powerful
Personally what i like about the new xperia 1 vi, i feel it was designed for me xD I mean the camera is still pro that all i care XD 4k is not noticable in phones, 1080p QHD won't really be different ethier is what the spec put on the display that make it looks soo good, someone compare both, and said that tge screen in 4k mode didn't looks so different with the new xperia 1 vi, i think sony just took something that really wasn't neassarary, even i took pictures and see it on my 4k TV instead to get the full details 😅
Like I said in the video, it isn't a bad phone by any means but my gripes are that for the ultra flagship price they charge for it, keeping the same sensors all around as the 1V as well as aggressively downgrading the resolution and a laughable macro mode really is a big slap in the face ! Had they priced it accordingly, let's say around the £900/£1000 mark then be it but seeing that the competition offers much better hardware at a lower price can't excuse Sony's practice this year.
Such a shame they did it. Cos I was finally ready to buy it if they only did one more level of pro which they gone with. I guess they will keep pro for the PRO-I 2
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With this logic the Iphones with 60hz screen should cost 200$. But they are on the same price as Xperia and nobody complain about the display.
Exactly
But iPhone is from 799€, Xperia from 1399€, that doesn't look like same price...
But that's because iPhones didn't have a high rez screen to begin with so people who use it are used to that. Xperia users are used to 4k screens and alpha camera vibes from the Xperia lineup. So yes we will complain about it cos it's a downgrade to what we are used to and expect the price to go down as well since it has been downgraded from our perspective. I have an Xperia 1 IV and was thinking on buying the 1 VI but have changed my mind. Will go in for the Vivo x100 pro rather. I have a pixel 8 pro as well and not impressed with its hardware and performance. iPhone is too restrictive for me considering what I use my phone for so iPhone is a No for me as well. Was considering Samsung but the cost of repairs is too high
What logic ? Did I say anything about how much it should cost ? All I said was, if you're gonna ask for ultra flagship price, your hardware better follow... And it doesn't !
@@peterofori1765 I'm currently in a similar situation with choosing a new phone and x100 pro looks like camera king for this year (at least globally, because x100 ultra is only for chinese market)
One thing that I missing from all of these Pro/Ultra models where is almost everything about cameras is missing mechanical shutter button, don't understand why they can't put it there...
I guess you can't please everyone. People whined and moaned about all previous Xperia 1 phones. Sony changes tack, people still moan. The price is high but it still has niche/enthusiast features that most phones do not have. By the way, the screen is 1080+ and close to the iP15PM's pixel density. Fun fact, the previous 4K screen rendered 1080p mist of the time! Here in the UK, you also get the XM5 headphones thrown in for free. That is worth £300....the other option is wait until the price drops and pick one up on eBay....
I guess for me, as a photographer my biggest gripe was more on the letdown when it comes to the hardware in terms of sensors, just recycling last year's module is not good enough at a flagship price point. Then the software is a huge downgrade compared to the V. The price Sony is asking for can get you some very serious bit of kit from other brands and still have quite a bit of change leftover !
No other flagship has this low resolution at the similar screen size, afaik. 1440x3200 20:9 would have been the obvious downgrade if "4k" 1644x3840 643 ppi and 21:9 is too much. This being a slight downgrade from 3840x2160 807 ppi 18:9 Xperia XZ Premium (downgrade due to 21:9 aspect from 18:9 which cut some pixels on the side, and larger screen which means lower ppi). For 9 years they had 4k screen which is arguably too much even for the best eyes. After that they went directly to 1080p. 1440p or ~500 ppi would have been the sweet spot and they skipped it. I can't comprehend how this happened. It's like Sony competitors voted for the changes 😅
@@UpsideLens will the sony xperia pro-c have a 4k display?
@Pegasos4 too soon to even start to think about that device, GSMARENA has a rather strange run down of its specs but none of it makes real sense. Will have to wait and see
@@UpsideLens I take your point and phones are a personal thing so it depends on what one is trying to get out of it. I am currently using the Xiaomi 14 Ultra and I can't wait to get rid, the software simply ruins everything for me. It is the software that is the main thing that draws me to a phone and yes, to a lesser extent the camera. Realistically, and by the process of elimination, the phones that pique my interest are the Pixel and the Xperia series, I'm more of a stock android guy. Currently recovering from an accident but as soon as I'm up and about, the Xiaomi is going on eBay. Already pre-ordered the Xperia 1 vi. I have to admit that without the XM5s thrown in, I probably would have swerved it at £1,299. That price is simply too goddamn high.
They still kept most if not all pro features.
And tbh the new macro and tele from what i saw from what gear review, i was impressed by the shots as it was quite good. Even gsm arena said that.
The Xperia 1 VI feels like an iPhone or a Samsung . It has lost its Xperia vibes and looks and feels like an iPhone or Samsung. This move will let it loose most of its loyal customers since the inception of its mark lineups. The aspect ratio of the previous made much more sense to us than this new aspect ratio. The real users of Xperia lineups never complained about the seperate apps for videos and camera. Those who never used it were the ones complaining. Now they have succeeded in chasing away most of their loyal fan base with this release. Which android company uses a 1080p screen for their high-end phones in 2024. Really Sony
Macro is very poor dude, it really really is ! No RAW support, only jpg in macro mode, and still that 12mp sensor... Which can only mean macro in anything but perfect light will be even worse, just physics at the end of the day dude.
@@UpsideLens That's sad. Really disappointed by their decision
@@UpsideLens Thanks. I will definitely skip it
I use the Xperia 1 IV and felt no need to upgrade to the mark 5 cos I didn't see that much of an upgrade. Now the Xperia 1 VI is worst. Will surely skip it
I will buy.
me either 🙌
tell me, even if they combined the camera applications with pro, does it still have the same functions as 1V, only in one application, and whether video pro will also be as extensive as in 1V or will something be limited. because I've never had an xperia and I'm currently using a samsung s20fe and I want to play with the camera
As a huge Sony fan since the Sony Ericsson days, I have the Xperia 1V and will not upgrade to the 1 VI, because for me it's a downgrade, the camera apps one the 1V are light years ahead of everything else, but the one 1 VI looks like the one that was on my previous XZ3, I strongly agree with the 3rd suggestion, and I have one question, with the Android 15 update, will they remove the photo pro/video pro/cinema pro apps on the 1V and merge them to one app like the 1 VI ?
In regards to your concerns that is what I was also wondering... See normally Sony never update the older devices to the newer features so I hope for Xperia 1 V owners that it won't be the case this time !
Sony must make a product that sells more, period. 1 V was enthusiast phone, it's not possible to keep their phone division on enthusiast phones with low sales. So better buy 1 VI and support them.
I'm afraid I don't use my wallet that way... I don't "owe" sony my support ! It's the other way around here dude ! I do not believe in brand loyalty, I believe in year on year improvement and value for money, in this case, Sony brings neither to my wallet.
Even with those changes, do you honestly think that "reviewers" are going to say yay! ? Ofcourse not, Sony only gave them different things to bash them with, now that Sony is more "main stream" they'll say: oh Sony lost it's identity, Sony is not special anymore bla bla bla, on top of it, Sony is not selling the phone to the market they changed the phone for, how stupid is that 🤦♂️ and I don't buy phones to support companies, they stopped making what I want so why pay them ? I'll buy and support companies who make what I want not what the mainstream wants or what they want ...
Why are people with last year's phone even talking about upgrading when it's just a year's apart 🙄 ..
While every phone manufacturer has its issues, Sony stands out for meeting our expectations of a phone. It offers a harmonious balance of features. We can expand the storage with a Micro SD card, enjoy high-quality audio through the headphone jack with an excellent DAC, benefit from front-facing stereo speakers, experience improved battery life, and appreciate its classic design, among other advantages. Consider the additional cost of opting for a 1TB version instead of a 128GB version from another phone manufacturer. I want to ensure I receive the best value for my money tbh.🙂
Sure it all depends on your priorities, this video is made from a photographers perspective and as such the VI is a very disappointing product and a very bad value for money product. Now if all you value is battery life, headphones and SD card storage then it's a cracking device 👍
The best phone,with camera software from Sony Alpha cameras,best battery life,sd card slot,3.5 mm headphones jack,best nature screen colours,best sound with ldac,hi res audio,360° spatial sound and much more...
Question for xperia 1 V: can you shoot 2k 48 or 50 or 60 fps video outside of Cinema Pro app?
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Hi! Can anyone tell me what will happen to the Sony Xperia Pro series, will there be a new variant and when? And is it high quality and good? Have you heard anything about it? Thank you!
Xperia pro-C is in development
So with that being said. Would the Xperia 1V be a good buy as an first time user. Im looking for something good to use when I cant carry my A7 with me
@klixikix that’s fair. I saw the V on Amazon for like 800 dollars US so I thought that would be a good deal
It all depends on your needs and wallet, if you're already used to cameras, which you seem to be, you'll have a much better time using the V with it's DSLR like interface similar to the alpha cameras, on the VI you're using a cluttered viewfinder just like any other android or iPhone camera app. There is also the price difference, a V can be found nearly new / pristine on eBay for £500 !!!! The new VI is nearly 3 times as much. Again really depends on your needs. If you have the money and don't care much about the camera aspect then VI would be a good proposition but then so would a lot of other brands which incidentally have much higher camera hardware.
@@UpsideLens Thanks! I’ll be going with the V in that case!
Question. Can they still make updates with real pro apps?
Good question... Since Sony has always been stuck in their own ways for better and for worse it would seem unlikely, but only time will tell 👍
I get your concern, 100%. but i also think its maybe a bit too early to make such judgements. I heard or read that they will add the pro apps again with next OS update. Why they will wait for that for those apps to be added i dont know? maybe optimalisation or so. It would be a waste in itself to just delete the apps for further use, all that work to make such great apps to not use them anymore while most of their core value customers use them so i think its a bit too early to say they will leave that out. it is also 100% good to say that they do go more mainstream that is true. and you can indeed never please everyone. in my personal experience the pro apps can still be improved but i must also say the pro apps are the best in the phone camera department it would be nice for them to focus a bit more on the point and shoot and general consumer camera software. but even i while using the standard camera app on the xperia 5ii for like 98% was shocked seeing this new weird app. means it takes a lot of adjustments for me as a pretty general photography user. I do hope the user experience is getting better with it though, i guess it takes time and some adjustments. it is also what you say a daring move of sony to go so different all of a sudden. but lets see. i wouldnt buy this phone now myself too. 1400 euro for a phone is in my experience way too much money anyway for any phone hahahaa but that said im a cheapskat also. but knowing sony and its quality im sure its a good phone. but time will also tell us. the reviews that are released now deffinitrly not tell the whole story etc.
Already purchased the xperia 1 VI (its on a DHL plane from Hong Kong as I type) - I feel it is an upgrade from the 1 V - the screen issue is a non-event for me; I have so many different phones with all different resolutions, from 4K to the 1080P screen on my Nothing Phone 2 (which I set to 480dp in developer options) - there is no real-world usability difference. I get the conversation about the pro-mode, that's going to be a personal issue for every user, no comment or video chat is ever going to sway an opinion on that.
Like I said in the video that is my opinion only as a photographer. It is not a bad device at all and really depends on what one wants to use it for but again for me the photography aspect has been left out by recycling the same camera sensors as last year, and downgrading the software which is the most important in a photographers workflow, and at that flagship price there is a lot of competition with much better hardware out there hence why it isn't for me. Enjoy 👍
@@UpsideLens completely agree about the price point vs competitors - I bet the next vivo with the bigger than 1" sensor will be a beast. I actually wont be surprised to see the "real" Sony cameras adopt this integrated look into the future - I almost feel it is inevitable.
So how can you expand your market share and you don't offer the phone in the US or China. I own a Sony Alpha camera and I was prepared to make this my next phone. However, it is not coming to the states so I will have to figure something else out or buy an international version.
Bad move on their part, makes zero sense 🤷
Sony also has poor customer service. They launched 48mm (lossless) zoom and 48mm bokeh mode in Xperia 5V, but did not allow this on their flagship at the time, the 1 V. Extremely disappointing.
Oh don't get me started on this haha 😂
It's outrageous, isn't it?
@@HasaanRafique crazy how Sony didn't do this.
I love Xperia phones and Sony products in general I've quite a few looking around the lounge
, my experience regarding Bravia products was outstanding when I had an issue with my TV .
I had an issue with my pre order Xperia 1 V getting stuck in the boot loop cycle.
Sony forward all UK issues and repairs to SBE LTD
My experience was not great
I eventually got a new Xperia 1 V after persistent calls and emails .
Phone was less than 6 months old at the time.
I've also had issues with Bravia core purchases excepting payment but still blocking movies.
I think I was unlucky as my previous z5 compact worked amazing for 7 years and still looks like new .
My back up iv remains spot on too and hasn't let me down when needed
I heard Sony Will add photos and video pro, in the next update 🤔 . does it true?
Photo pro is already part of the app, and it's a complete change to the previous app. The video part (like the old cinepro) is allegedly being worked on and would be released with Android 15 update later this year.
Yes and no, the so-callerd PRO mode is already there for photos but video pro will not be there until android 15. Fancy making your customers wait for months for SONY to actually finish the job?
Did you mean 15 😉
@@UpsideLens oopsie daises : yes i meant 15 hahah ill edit now. Thanks for the heads up
The Photo Pro mode is the same as before except for the Automatic and the stupid Basic Mode.So as a standard basic app it now looks very successful to me and the Pro mode has remained???You can definitely start the app directly in Pro Mode again.Before, everyone complained about the three apps and the really bad basic mode 🤣Everyone wants longer battery life... Now Sony gives us 2 full days, better than Samsung and Apple and everyone is crying because of the resolution🤣Now Sony is supposed to install larger sensors, which requires a huge camera module, Xiaomi and Co say hello..... And then everyone will complain again 🤣So the only thing that bothers me is that the sensor of the telephoto and 16 mm is not one of the latest generation.Otherwise resolution FHD and two days runtime, significantly brighter..... Great!A little wider so my old eyes can read better...... Great!48 MP option...... Great! 2XZoom better...... Great! Macromodus..... Better autofocus... Great!Better speakers... Great! I think that's a lot.What did Samsung present? A display that is less reflective and is now flat.....Wow!😅And Apple, Xiaomi and Co? Everyone did less better........ These high-end devices are all too expensive.A Pixel 6 for €200 from eBay won't really perform any worse in automatic mode, we all know that?The same applies to a Pixel 8.9, iPhone 15,16, S24 Ultra etc etc...With Sony you get the most for your money I have the B&W PX8 and the blades are so great with APTX adaptive I use the WF1000 xm5 for sports and travel...... Great with LDAC and Qobuz....... I would only like one device and unfortunately that isn't available......Pro i 2😅This was my favorite device so far because it set new standards for taking photos (with a cell phone)
Hello Mate, it has been a change with my Sony Experia purchase, I checked my order on the operator website and they did do hade the experia 1 V! I did contacted them and changed my order from xperia 1VI to Experia 1V and got it for much lower price as well. Now I maybe not getting the latest bells and whistles with the Experia mark V but it's still a good phone by todays standards and the 4k screen will be awesome and it still has the headphone jack and microSD card support. Now I can watch all your wids about Expria mark V and learn all the photography tricks you did with that mobile. Have a nice day mate! 🙂
Mate enjoy you'll have a cracking time with it 👍
Great video. Thanks for sharing the honest truth. I totally agree with you. I am very disappointed with SONY. I am done with Xperia. Been using Alphas and Xperia 1 II, III and IV. Am planning to change to VI but very disappointed with this new release. Even though it has a 85 to 170mm zoom, it is still using the tiny tiny 1/3.5" sensor from the 1 series 5 years ago. While all other phone makers are using the largers 1/2" or 1/2.5" new LYT 800/900 sensors with 50MP, SONY is still 12MP and a tiny 5 years old sensor. The telephone Zoom again is going to be soft, blur and unusable especially indoors or in low light. Note that all the RUclips paid reviewers video shows pictures of 85 to 170mm in bright daylight, but onces light is low or indoors, the zoom pictures are unusable. Look carefully and you will all the paid reviewrs' 85 - 170 zoom pcitures are all blurred or with plenty of post-Lightroom sharpening. I am glad Upside lens showed actual zoom pictures here. WAKE UP SONY. This is a downgrade from the 1 V. It is very clear the Xperia is not progressing to compete with others and instead get worst (poorer display, same sensors).
Also I want to say, when I first posted and feedback the above, I was attacked by plenty of SONY bots, from "certain" geographies. I was even acused of being paid by others phone makers to attack SONY. Paid by who? Samsung, Oppo, Google, Apple? Or by all? (How I wish, I would be rich by now). It is just puzzling how SONY who makes great zoom sensors for other phones but still uses the tiny 1/3.5" sensor from 5 years ago (used in the Huawei Mate30).
That is the reason I would love for Sony to get back to me when I keep asking to be in touch with someone at their PR or tech department, just to see what makes Sony Xperia division tick and what their "end goal" is, I would be so interested to know, especially like yes they make amazing sensors... Just not for themselves... Shame 🤷
You won't buy it but please buy it to me 😭😭😭😭
Me too!
It seems from your words that you are a person who is an expert in technology, and it also appears from your words that you love Sony and want it to develop.
I am personally happy with the new improvements to the Sony phone. It finally has the best headphones and the best sound, and it now has the best camera, and I have no problem with the screen resolution, and I am happy that the company did not put a hole in the screen and did not eliminate the SIM port or the audio jack port.
But it is sad because the phone again neglected slow-motion photography, and also did not reduce the price of the device, even though it reduced the screen resolution, which was a justification for increasing the price.
That macro "comparison" really was quite something. Maybe shoot the phones side by side for an ACTUAL comparison?
I did 😉 it's in my comparison between the Xiaomi and the the Xperia 1 V 👍
@@UpsideLens But this video is for the VI, not the V?
True but like I said I won't be getting the VI so that won't happen. I will be doing a lot of videos with the Xiaomi very soon and I'm sure there will be some macro in there 😊
@@UpsideLensSo you decided to include macro shots from the previous model as a representation of the capabilities of the new model?
That's... Something.
@henrikw377 not following you here... In this video, the one you're commenting under, the reasons why I won't buy the mk VI I included photos of the Xiaomi as a comparison showing how poor the VI does Vs the Xiaomi. In my other video, the comparison between the the mk V Vs the Xiaomi the shots are from the V against the Xiaomi... I'm not following your insinuation that I put photos of an older model to represent the new one...
I like watching reviews or in this case not a review but a statement because it gives another viewpoint . I don’t agree with it but it’s just as important as the gushing reviews we usually get . For the record I WILL buy the 1 vi because of the different form factor , something I said I would never do when it was announced . So , I have changed my mind and taken the plunge but until I try the phone I can’t offer a valid reason not to like it ( or to like it) … the proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say…
I want to add an update … after trying the Sony 1 vi I can categorically say that I am returning it . In my opinion Sony have tried to appeal to everyone but have taken away the very heart of the 1v which is to the detriment of the phone .. I can just about live with the half way house form factor but the new camera app in my opinion is dire . At least when we had the three apps everything was easy to negotiate.. unfortunately the one app now feels cluttered and unprofessional , in fact downright messy ! Sony may gain a few extra interested people but I’m sorry , I will go back to the 1v or as i may bypass the Xperia all together . One point I would like to make .. why did they do away with the haptics when watching movies or sports on the 1 vi ???? It was a great feature . Also , why oh why doesn’t the Home Screen auto rotate .. I questioned Sony about this but they said “ press the auto rotate button” er , duh ! Wow Sony , dint you think I tried that .. the Home Screen doesn’t rotate folks .
I got to try it for 5 hours non stop a couple of days ago, and unsurprisingly was very underwhelmed. The 2 main let downs are the Telephoto lens which manages to be slightly worse than the V (that includes the macro ability too) and the terrible UI which is very backwards and ill thought out but was also very glitchy in the few hours I got to test it. If it was my money I'd either go for the V or another brand. I will have a video out at some point as I still need to go through hundreds of raw files i shot ftom the day 👍
The speakers and headphones DAC are way better sounding if you're an audiophile, early cameras samples are performing better on auto mode as I've witnessed on some RUclips video comparisons..i think its a compelling upgrade especially for us on the Sony Xperia 1 mark IV
From a sound perspective I must admit I can't comment on the subject, I have mild deafness in one ear so to me all sounds the same, joys of being reckless when I was younger and spending way too much time near big ass speakers at concerts lol.
If you're audiophile, you will use external DAC and headphones amplifier, not speakers on phone...
@@konkurentLC that's it. the built-in Qualcomm DAC always suck and everyone know it lol
Can u recommend me a good phone with a good camera, long battery life, and micro so card because after they announced that the mark 6 isn’t coming to America I’m going in a tiny crisis now
Xperia 1 mark V
I was thinking about that but does the camera hold up for 2024
@@therobloxguardians5783 the hardware didn't change, so the answer is quite obvious
I saw all these changes about to happen on the Xperia 1 vi.... So done the sensible thing and got a great deal on a Xperia 1 v
You're a wise man 😅 seriously though, enjoy the V it is not perfect but it is such an outstanding all rounder !
In Photo Pro, manual focusing can be easily done with one hand, which you hold your smartphone with. For some reason, in the ugly new app, manual focus is on the screen and not in the function menu. Previously, you could hold the phone firmly with your left hand, and move the sharpness slider with your right hand and press the shutter button. This reduced the shaking of the phone. Now you have to move your finger across the screen with your left hand, and set the settings with your right hand and press the shutter button. Why is there this huge white shutter circle in Pro mode if it takes up the workspace? Why was the histogram removed to the farthest corner? Why were the menu buttons removed from the left side of the screen? There is now an empty black stripe there. Why do I need inverted Pro, Bokeh and other inscriptions in Pro mode? Why do I need zoom on the right side of the screen if it was much more convenient on the left side of the screen?
Bro I'm entirely with you on this one ! A lot of people somehow don't seem to mind and find it more intuitive ( LOL ) as photographer enthusiasts we just know the new app sucks big time 😞
Honestly, I was really bummed by the lack of 4K screen. Really thought they'd pull a Sony and make a 4K LTPO screen but I guess it's a pipe dream now. I'll still buy it since I'm more interested in macro photography but that price is gonna be painful.
One thing I'll say is if macro is of interest you'll have a much better time with other brands out there, which not only will save you hundreds Vs the Sony and with much higher screen quality, brightness and resolution as well as generations ahead in terms of camera hardware !
Xperia 1 series are 1660p not 2160p so it's not 4k
@maxganondorf were playing with semantic here. True real 4K is actually 4096x2160 then ultra HD is 3840x2160. Now seeing the Xperia 1 has a shorter aspect ratio they still class it as "4K" due to its 3840x1660 panel
The features I really like about Xperia Phones, at least the recent models, from Xperia 1 up to the 1V, are:
-the tall skinny design which made it feel so elegant in hand.
-The camera interface, it surely made it feel like operating a camera with a phone, rather than a phone with a camera. And it goes for all 3 apps; photo pro, cinema pro and video pro. Those interefaces were a delight to handle.
And
- The 21:9 aspect ratio. I enjoy wathcing a movie in this format. Sony is the only 1, that I'm aware of, who offers all of the 3 features above.
Not a big fa of the all in 1 camera app, but at the same time, if it was a move to apply to a wider market, good luck and hope to have Xperia phones for many years to come.
1 vi great size, natural colors, square shape, headphone jack and sd card slot 🖤🤍
Is the phone on the right the Vivo x100 Ultra?
No it isn't, but try again 😉
The third option would have been great...Why bother to buy a phone with subpar auto mode and pro mode like everyone else (No hate on sony i'm xperia 5 iii user)...Could've gotten 14 ultra with best auto mode, better camera and same pro mode as new Xperia....It's just too hard to sallow no 21:9 display not even 1440p display, no pro camera apps which i almost every-time use...They just screwed their core fans, yet can't able to make a good phone for average users....It's not good for us nor the average consumers, no unique features for example for Samsung it's spen, xiaomi it's 1inch sensor with very high end secondary leans,pixel for best point and shoot camera, what xperia has now to be unique among those phones ? Spen ? 1 inch senor ? high resolution uw,tele leans ? best point and shot camera ? NO, Best thing about the xperia was it's 21:9 display, pro camera apps, 4k display (although it's overkill but still)..
only thing they have now it's just expandable storage and 3.5mm jack , but almost 80% of people don't care about them, they just forgotten this thing existed....
asus zenphone seires died because of this kind of mistake screwed their core fans, I don't want sony to be in the same position...
Please brink back what used to be good and working and made it better from there....Like 1440p 21:9 ltpo panel, two camera app one just phone auto mode, and second one like perivous three pro apps bundled into one app, do not change anything, we do not want to learn thing over from scratch....If they continue to this kind of BS then 1 V would be my last Sony phone, I won't gen another sony phone...I'm done
Here hoping for the next Sony Pro phone. The Pro-C appears to be scheduled to be announced sometime in Q4 of this year according to a phonearena article i came across today. If this is real then Sony may be able to fix all the mistakes of 1 vi while also improving over the Pro-i few missteps.
What’s the difference between the two lineups?
As a frequent traveler, I've been waiting for a US-release of the phone to finally get an integrated eSIM . . . Guess I'll be hanging on to my Mark III for much longer. Even single release seems like its been a downgrade, with this one being the most substantial. If they want to make a phone for the typical person, isn't that what the 10-series was supposed to be? Why step-down the 1s and the 5s and alienate your core fanbase? If you try to please everyone, you'll end up pleasing no one. Sony's really missing the mark - pun intended.
I think X1VI is a great phone, but lost some of its magic with these changes. I just got the X1V 2 weeks ago so not really concerned. Been a Sony phone user since 2005 and I also love how the fake bokeh looks soo authentic on Xperia and no other phone come even close to that due to the lack of defocus gradation that real cameras have and phone makers don't understand.
Thank you. I before I saw your video, I wasn’t aware that they had ditched the Photo Pro app. As far as I have been able to determine, you can’t even shoot in raw anymore. That makes it a hard pass for me. Pity, because Sony had finally made the OS support halfway decent.
You can still shoot in raw, the only difference is the interface that has been changed around and makes it a lot less pro and very cluttered Vs the old photo pro app.
@@UpsideLens Ok. Thank you. May still consider it, then. Will try to find an in-depth video about the new camera app
Sony was never about poor people... You pay the brand, but the quality is there. Don't get me wrong, I took a photo with Xperia 1 ii and Samsung Ultra 24, and Samsung produces more noise than an old Sony. Yeah, there are downsides, but hey, the old 4k was running 1096 most of the time. It should not make a big difference.
I haven't got a problem with charging a premium for quality, but when you see the competition using Sony's own top of the range sensors in their phones when the Xperia VI is recycling literally 3 sensors from last gen you have to double guess yourself if Sony still stands for quality mate...
As a long, (but realy long) time Sony Xperia fan, I'm use to disappointment. I really can't understand a decision making and philosophy behind. It's like they like to shoot themself in foot every few years. They start with good idea and make some progress, and then it's like they loose themselves. This phone is like one step forward and two steps back. I completely agree with your opinion.
However we have new leaks today from Insider Sony, and there is new device in horizon, Xperia Pro-C. The handset will be succeed the Xperia Pro-I and will bring some changes.
Displey 6.0 - inch (???) and 2k resolution (???).. Main camera 1-inch 50mp sensor.. Price will probably be like 2k euro or something like that.. 😂..
I can't agree more. The fact that most content creators out there praising Sony for such changes gives me headache.
Totally agree with you.
"The Xperia 1 VI is losing the spirit of the Xperia 1 series, and the new camera app is not made for creators."
Sadly that seems to be the case 😢
So there i no photo pro app option? shame.. as in the other phones basic was the auto version... i'll still stick with sony as they still us headphone jacks as well
I'm buying it simply because nobody offers all the features it offers in one phone. Wide, Standard and optical zoom + wireless charging + microSD + headphone jack + IP68. If I could buy a Samsung S series with a microSD card, I would probably stay on their ecosystem but I'm tired of paying an extra $500 for extra memory. Now just to get my hands on one.
It does seem to tick all your boxes and I'm sure you'll enjoy it, never said not to buy, only why it just doesn't make sense to me or photo enthusiasts in general. I'm sure it will now appeal to wide range of people who don't mind the price and will make use of all the other awesome features the VI has up its sleeve 👍
You can get all that by buying the V lol
@GianniLeonhart basically, yes 😅 that's why the V is a bargain now especially at the price it is at on eBay !
I was so hyped about it. Unfortunately, there are 2 reasons I'll not buy it.
1st - Cameras pixel
2nd - Screen resolution
I was counting the days to order it. 😢
Oh looks like you got yourself a vivo.
You made pretty good points, don't let the fanboys put you down. I found the best description to be like they often described high end flagships with focus on camera as having 1 cohesive camera with 3 lenses while on the Xperia it feels like you got 3 cameras, because they differ so much from each other in terms of detail, processing, color reproduction, where it simply starts feeling like you don't have 1 coherent unit. Xperia really feels like main camera is the 'star' while the others are just extras.
The Xperia 1 VI is a big fk you to their customers.
Looking forward to your comparison, which is today?
Not the Vivo 😉
No video today, had had to push it back til tomorrow 2pm just needed a little more polish, but you'll get 2 videos for the price of 1 😉 they will both be live simultaneously 👍
@@UpsideLens Sounds awesome. Gonna be interesting to see the mystery phone, the other macro monster I can think of is the Pura 70 and if you got one of those, then damn that video would be extremely interesting to me, as I've always wanted to see a phone of that caliber in a photographers hand.
*_I said exactly that and a lot of people criticized me. I believe they should have added everything they added but keeping everything that the Xperia 1 Mark V was and would be an absolute success but they changed the screen, changed the format and tried this idea of trying to please everyone. I think they've made a serious risk seeing that their Smartphone business has been down 40% in the last few years and now at the end of that year and in these last few months leading up to the Mark VI, they've grown again. But these things started happening even before the new smartphone arrived and now I don't know what to think about what it might be in the future, but I'm not happy either and I'm seriously thinking about abandoning the marca._*
Hey man, just keep trucking with the 1 V.... though i just read about the supposedly Xperia 1 Pro C... if that is true
I have the Xperia V, i am going to sell it. The iPhone 15 pro apple Log does the job better than any others. And I can color it anyway i want, i can apply LUTS on the fly and the apple software and chip is snappy. They just are miles ahead in their software. I just never liked their out of box colors and they’ve fixed that.
For video specifically the iPhone is indeed really good straight out of the box but there are better devices with more customisation and better quality for the ones who know all about video.
@@UpsideLens actually that used to be the case. However now with their new app Final cut Pro app and free Black Magic, you can set iso, aperture, white balance, and frame rate, and every single control you have in any other camera. Apple Log is a game changer and they have a huge option of after market lenses you can plug in to your phone. I have color graded their log and you can't tell the difference in my ZV-EV1 Sony and iPhone footage.
Personally, I don't mind those changes. It's hard to tell the difference in resolution in real life. I didn't like the Pro app interface anyway. Aspect ratio was only good for cinematic movies, with many apps not optimized for it. AI can be turned off, so it's not a problem. Most likely usable in certain conditions. For me, these phones are not only about cameras. Sony is the only manufacturer that didn't drop 3.5mm audio jack or microSD expansion. Not only that, they are rocking a solid 24bit/192kHz DAC. Gaming overlay is one of the best, allowing to bypass battery when plugged in to the charger. In my opinion, the Xperia range has been extremely underrated because of being such a niche. I hope it will bounce back because it may end up like many great smartphone manufacturers that are dead now. Dead because they were too stubborn and refused to evolve.
Absolutely get that Xperia phones are not only about cameras and photography but the point I was making, and my opinion about why I won't buy it is purely based on a mobile phone photographer point of view 👍
Sony made the right move. They gained a new customer in me with the wider and shorter phone.
Since yesterday I swapped the 1vi for the 1V..... I recommend you reshoot the video😂.The 1V really has no chance against this. Before the 1V I had the Pro i.The differences in the main camera were very small. This is a different number.
What I said still stands sadly, same 3 sensors recycled from last year (telephoto sensor recycled from Xperia 1 IV ! ) cluttered and counterintuitive new photo UI, murky macro shots, no RAW macro, no 48mp RAW... Unfortunately too limited for photo enthiusiats.
@@UpsideLens Well, the main sensor is a year old😅The closest focusing distance It's significantly better The autofocus too. You notice straight away.I'm telling you camera has improved significantly Unfortunately the telephoto camera hasn't gotten any better, but otherwise The Pro modes are exactly the same as the 1v Except video...... The RAW files now look as if someone had activated Ultra HDR mode 😅So the RAW files are prepared significantly more.Oh yes and the display is in a completely different league than the 24 is better anti-reflective Throw the Chinese cucumber In the corner and buy this😅
@sosiehtesaus2652 glad you're enjoying it but not for me, Im very happy with the Chinese cucumber 😉
@@UpsideLens All right, but please don't confuse it with a brick and don't put it somewhere😅(fun) have fun with it.
Don't worry I will 😉 enjoy your 2-bit Gameboy screen 😉😂🤪
Like many i was really disappointed with this release, ive been using the much maligned 1iv and was hoping to get the 1vi this year, but the lack of any sensor upgrades at all is baffling, and the camera UI change is a bummer, and then considering all that no price drop!
The thing is i dont want a 7" brick in my pocket running on a Chinese room just to get the camera features so sony was previously choice, plus the SD card convenience. Gutted, though I guess my bank balance will be healthier for it!
Oh for a Pro-i mk11 with multiple lyt900 sensors or even better a 1" type version of the current main cam sensor...
You should be happy Sony finally makes a smart move and develop a product for BROAD spectrum of consumers. This will keep them ALIVE. if they keep doing niche phones they will die like LG.
@GallAnonim-jx2cz yeah absolutely, happy for them but that is the reason, AS A MOBILE PHONE PHOTOGRAPHER I will not buy this phone as it doesn't cater for that niche anymore and other brands have now caught up and exceeded what Sony has to offer in terms of hardware.
Totally agree with you. Was eagerly anticipating an upgrade on the zoom sensor. Hugely disappointment when SONY retained the tiny 1/3.5" sensor from 5 years ago. Really puzzle when SONY makes excellent 1/2" or 1/2.5" laterst LYT 800/900 sensors for other phones.
@@GallAnonim-jx2czthere is no such thing as a device for a wide range of customers, show me one average user who will buy an Xperia at this price and not a 15Pro/S24 Ultra or something else where he will get better photos in point and shoot, more SW functions, faster updates, charging... you can but Oneplus 12 with Sony LYT sensor for much cheaper...
I'm there with you 👍
I am a massive and almost fanatical Sony fan (one look will confirm this) but even I will not buy the Xperia 1 VI as I have the 1 V and for me the camera hardware is t he same, there are too many downgrades and the camera interface looks like a CHILD has designed it.
You really must be fanatical if you considered buying a new phone every year
@@pillepolle3122 I am! well i was but im moving away from Xperia now as they have left us more 'videography enthusiasts out in the cold' going back to my roots aka SONY ALPHA Cameras
I'd suggest looking into brands like Xiaomi mate (I know it probably doesn't sit well with the ethos of your channel tho lol) when it comes to video you can record all the way to RAW 14bit video !!! I personally use it to record 10bit LOG as much less storage space needed. That combined with the 1 inch sensor and 200mbs gives you insane results !
@@theSFCchannel but why don't you buy a phone when you really need a new one. I use a phone a least for five years. Phones are just tools and when a tool functions without a problem there is no need to buy a new one. You would save a lot of money and notice a huge difference when you buy a new phone after 5 years.
It's just a mobile phone with camera feature. If you are a serious photographer .You should take pictures from a camera.
What are you going to get instead though? To my knowledge, even with the downgrades and watered down pro features of the 1 VI, there aren't really any other smartphone manufacturers that offer a better alternative for photography enthusiasts.
The answer is in the video, just got to look for it 😉
@@UpsideLensI can see what looks like a phone charging in the background, but I can't tell what it is. I feel like the LYT 900 sensor already being in other phones could be a clue... perhaps the Oppo Find X7 Pro? But then you'd have to import the Chinese version and mess about installing Google services, since there's no global version available.
Nah wouldn't do that to myself, had to be a global release phone , answer in Saturdays video 👍
@@UpsideLens My guess would have to be the Xiaomi 14 Ultra in that case. I'll be back on Saturday to see if I'm right.
Good honest opinion. Will help many to make their mind.
Thank you, I have literally nothing to gain from this, like a lot of people I was really excited about it and a couple of months ago I even made a video about my wishes for the VI and how excited I was about it all... You can understand my frustration when I woke up to this announcement haha
Agree. They feel maintenance of three apps is overhead. Also, feedback of pro apps will reduce as more and more people get used to simple camera apps. Definitely not ideal for alpha users.
Which phone do you use?
There's a hint in the video 😉
3:12 photo taken should be VIVO X100 Ultra (guessing)
Good guess... But it isn't 😉
@@UpsideLens that makes me wonder which phone has such capability…. Can’t wait till Saturday, hurry up…. Reveal the answer.
@HT911Mac a clue is already in the video, just got to look for it 😉
@@UpsideLens OPPO Find X7 Ultra ? Hmm… clues is in the vid 🤔
Yes if you watched the whole video there's a massive clue in there 👍
I was going to buy it but then found out its not coming to US market… guess I’ll get the 1V now that its a bit cheaper.
Just doing a review with a credit to your goodself, as you gave me the idea for the Powerrig magnetic filter holder for Sony. Just filming a review for it now
If you intend on using it long term I highly suggest tweaking it with a bit of cardboard or black tape to cover the gap on the back if you arranged the mount so it is centered with all the lenses. If you have mounted it so there is no gap then you'll get massive vignetting from the other 2 lenses. Enjoy 😀
@@UpsideLens I left a gap of around 3/4mm
So much complaining. I pre-ordered and can’t wait to enjoy it😊🇸🇪🖖
Perfect 👍 enjoy
I really agree with you on everything, and I feel betrayed, I was an Xperia customer since the Mark II, I didn't want a pixel because its processing is horrible, its point-and-shoot essence didn't express what I wanted to capture, I thought this Mark VI would be more but they decided that it was very pro for people who, in itself, They didn't flip to Xperia, they won't have any more money from my Sony.
SO.. I asking Sony since xperia 1 ii to add one small feature, voice shutter in pro mode, for the onehanded Photographers and they answered that no -cause this is not pro feature... and now they did simpler version too reach those "normal users" but voice shutter for handicap Photographers is still not available... sick
It is indeed an important feature and not including it in all modes, even as an optional switch, is kind of excluding a certain target audience
@@UpsideLens I loved xperia pro I but cause of that I had to sold it cause I was frustrated to set timer for ten secs then push shutter and than finally shoot the Model, and not always composition was the same like I want in the beginning..
Everything I'm curious is processor and if that new model not going to be hot after 5 minutes to watch video or RUclips for example. I had sony xperia old model and my experience was ultra bad! Everything worked slowly and phone started to be really hot ,I mean temperature was only up and up. And them phone stopped to work automatically. So what about this model?
SD GEN 1 was notorious for getting pretty hot but SD GEN 2 definitely fixed that in the Xperia 1 V. Now in it's 3rd revision I can vouch for a very snappy, efficient and cool usage, at least in another device, I'm sure the VI will be similar too in that regards 👍
@UpsideLens thank you brother. Actually I have my choice between 2 models sony xperia 1 vi or Samsung Galaxy s23 ultra 🤔 and honestly I just sucked in the Owen. Cuz I'm really like design of Sony experia 1 vi , but I scare to pay same price for it. Then I can just buy Samsung Galaxy s 23 ultra without any problems. But that s 23 ultra is really big I guess. So I'm just worried about hot temperatures in sony 😕. Thank you.
I had it pre-ordered through O2....but then cancelled it after thinking more on it. I have a Sony A6700 camera with 3 lenses covering most ranges. I wanted the 1 MK VI to literally be a camera system similar but with mobile limitations (sensor size) to an alpha camera with a phone tacked on. But the 1 VI is just too much of the same with the differences they have made making little sense. In the end I can keep rocking my iPhone 15 Pro Max, iMac 2023 and Sony A6700 to pretty much cover all my photography and post edit needs. The iPhone really annoys me with its over processed images, but then I literally use it when my camera is not with me....which is what a mobile camera phone is for I guess.
I really really wanted the 1 VI to be so advanced in camera hardware and remain focused on Pro Mode....but as you pointed out - it's pretty much just an extra zoom, lesser screen and the same damn price. The screen downgrade, which allows better battery life (can't complain) and LTPO with a "50%" increase in brightness (though tech testers put it more like 30%), is criminal! iPhone, Pixel and Samsung are hitting the 2000nits mark with HDR and better resolutions and still LTPO - so how can Sony justify the same (close to iPhone/Samsung) price?!
Maybe there is hope for the Xperia rebranding...but if they are going to kill the niche appeal - maybe they should just exit the market and those looking for serious photography should turn to dedicated cameras.
Yes unfortunately that's where it's at, Sony having an identity crisis haha. I agree about iPhones as much as I love the video aspect of those things I just can't stand the processing on them or the bad optics they rock. It's pretty reasonable to say you're covered for a while with your setup anyway 👍
for me, the only advantage of the Xperia over the competition is the autofocus and the mechanical shutter button, but I can't justify it against competing devices, where I get an overall better product and now even same "Pro" mode for camera
I hope they never listen to what you suggested regarding making it thicker and adding a larger battery and bigger camera as the weight and the size is what keeps me coming back to Sony. Other than that I hate to agree with many of your points. I wonder if they would be able to bring out Xperia 1 vii...
Software has been a bane to all Sony products, as they are not really sure what direction it should be in.
But I do believe though, given some time, the new camera app will be the better solution compared to what we have previously, just need more Xperia touches here and there.
The zoom lens however, needs to be significantly fine tuned to be sharper, not only sharpen post-process.
I never do find the 1080p screen such a downgrade as Z and XZ (not premium) has always been 1080p but the price not dropping really hurts.
Yeah..now 1 mark VI is the same with 10 mark VI..screen is FHD..omg, unbelievable .. don't know Sony CEO was thinking.
With rumours surrounding Pro-C, I guess they had to make Xperia 1 VI significantly less impressive so that pros would draw more towards the pro-c once it's out. I'm guessing the price is going to be 2k lol. Nothing else makes sense on why Sony would go this route!
Those rumours are indeed just rumours at this stage and wouldn't even want to entertain speculating on the subject since none of the leaks in terms of hardware make any sense whatsoever. We'll have to see closer to the time if it's shaping to be true 👍
Spot on! How can you release a camera centric phone with its pro video app pending till autumn? Just to add to your own gripes. My last Xperia phone was the 1 ii, which was a big letdown. It mostly sat in a drawer, unused, unnecessary... after I'd forked out quite a bit of money. For 2 years I've been on an S23 Ultra and it's still fantastic. Would have liked to be lured back to Xperia but they can't do it for me. So many reasons, Sony will never learn...
The V in comparison is a fantastic device, I have thoroughly enjoyed the last 6 months with it hence why I was excited about the VI until it came around the corner 😞
I would never replace my Xperia 1 V for Samsung S (whatever) ultra.
In EU we need 25fps from a Sony phone!
Did SONY actually removed 25fps - Pal mode ???
All previous version had 25fps for EU Countries (with 230V 50Hz)
No feature is more important than having usable framerates especially for SONY camera users (your No.1 customers)
Even more when this will not be released in America (if i understood correct)
WHY ?
Because without it we get extreme flickering at most artificial light conditions.
To avoid this we will have to adjust the shutter speed at every shooting condition (requires knowledge), while sacrificing motion blur control and ease of use!
We were expecting an upgrade with 50fps and 100fps also in EU.
We don't mind the screen changes with it's pros and cons that much...
85-170 lens gives more reach but image is still soft, Macro mode better - Night mode bit better.... Good additions BUT...........
We were waiting for this SONY mobile for months and now you give us no choice than to buy an the iphone with over sharpened footage, no sd card slot, no 3.5 mm audio jack.
There are alternatives apart from a drastic move to apple 😅
@@UpsideLensthank you!
Please give me mobile alternatives (I don't trust filmic pro - similar apps)
even just one camera app would be fine if switching to pro mode would switch to Photo/Video pro UI like it had 1V, but it could easily be implemented all under one app...
I don't understand why Sony decided to completely transform one of its strengths into a pro mode that is indistinguishable from the competition
I find your opinion quite harsh😅.....I think UHD is nonsense since I got my Pro i and I don't notice anything about it with my 1 V either😅..... But what bothers me a lot about the 1 V is the performance in everyday life.The Pro i ran much more smoothly even though the processor is two years older.
This really annoys me a lot.Otherwise I think the 1V is great. But I ordered the one Mark 6.I find the aspect ratio better for reading and I don't really watch films on my phone.I don't know what to think of automatic mode either, I loved the old camera app The photos look more mainstream now.I'll only shoot in manual mode anyway and I hope that the changes there aren't that bad.I agree with you completely about the additional app, but I think that's exactly what Sony didn't want. There's been so much criticism about the three apps... I think it's really hard for Sony to please everyone And yes, the device, like all the others, is far too expensive.
Agreed. I like pun 😉
@@UpsideLens I didn't fully understand my English, unfortunately it's a bit rusty since school 😅
The coming soon to the channel device has me intrigued - especially for that macro performance anyway :)
There is a hint of what that device may be in the video... Just got to look for it 😉
@@UpsideLens is that a Vivo X100 Ultra over your right shoulder? Or maybe a Xiaomi 14 Ultra with the camera case on?
@WhiteHartMart now you may be onto something 😉 answer Saturday 👍
@@UpsideLens look forward to it 👍
@@WhiteHartMart My guess is the Vivo x100 Ultra with the 200MP with the 1/1.4" sensor. The right picture looks incredible.
I absolutely stand by your final comment.....it's all about mobile photography and the techniques and tools to get the best out of you and the device!
I really like Sony phones , the UI, features along with build quality.
Price has remained the same now for the past few years but I never feel the next gen is truly next gen but just a final of what the previous phone should have been.
The Xperia 1 V did get an update to improve the telephoto which it did but not a night and day difference.
It's also more tuned to close range zoom instead of true distance.
I'm not hugely fussed about macro but I think Sony missed the mark and should have used the new examor T sensor on all the lenes.
The one other thing I wish Sony did was improve the current set up more , software can make a difference to quite a few things regarding image quality but the life span to improve is a year before it becomes security and OS updates
We don't see any further substantial improvements or features added to the camera/ video set up
My wife's OPPO find X3 pro got camera and software improvements over the past few years and it's still a formidable set up.
I too love manual control, even if it's really just iso and shutter with these phones the rest can be edited really easily.
Video though is outstanding on this phone hands down
Like many things the vi will get optimized for Android 15 but I agree I didn't have a problem with separate modes for photo /video/cinema as pointed out it kept all those adjustments to those functions.
Still if the price drops substantially on black Friday I'll think about it or just wait for the rumoured Xperia pro C later in the year.
Keep up the good work
Thank you appreciate the kind words 👍 and absolutely spot and in line with what I also think, this channel, unlike what a few people thought they'd let me know is not an Xperia channel lol it's a mobile phone photography, just thought I'd remind those publicly haha. Time will tell which direction Sony goes in the long run but it would seem the core features are changing and they're shifting their focus on other things. A shame for the long time users.
Good analysis, vastly correct, basically what you propose as a third option is what Samsung does in its own way with a separate app called galaxy expert RAW sony could have maintained its apps perfectly but it didn't
Not quite expert RAW. Samsung's expert RAW is in some ways worse than regular RAWS since they add extra processing. What I wish they had done was 1 dumb / noob proof camera with all the processing they live and 1 pro camera app with all raw shooting and alpha camera like UI just like in the 1 V. By keeping them separate you prevent regular Joe's complaining about looking too difficult to understand
When we look at the tech and effort the other companies put in their phones like xiaomi with the 14 ultra and vivo with the x100 ultra it's disappointing that sony as a leading manufacturer of camera tech seems to be behind on mobile photography
Thanks Upside Lens - Your "points" made so much sense, very excellente' 👍 observation.
I don't mind the price Because my sony phones rarely breaks when it does is my fault 😅
I think other phones is cheaper because they put cheaper stuff, they gain more money with fixing then buying, my dad went 10x times to fix problems on iphone while I did not go yet to fix my xperia 1 ii
So the price is worth paying for keeping it for 5 years remember Xperia 1 ii released in 2020 XD
Agreeing with you 100%
They ruined the 5 series last year, and the 1 series this year
what about the rumours of a so-called "Sony Pro-C" (alleged successor to the Pro-I?)
I found a reddit sub with the rumour of this Pro phone with the (hopefully) the LYT-900 sensor.
Anyway, those are rumours.. I'm gonna stick with my 1V as well for the same reasons you listed. But actually thought the new telelens would be sharper. My state of GAS pulls my fingers, but I keep coming back to the notion that I'll most likely be disappointed considering the only "new" thing is the extended zoom. I mean, zoom is nice but for those ranges no phone has yet to deliver usable results in terms of photography - of course gimmicks with moon-shots and other are funny, but honestly terrible pictures.. for zoom, you need a real camera for usuable results.
But thanks for the video mate! You are a master and have opened my eyes in terms of how to edit the raw files from the Xperia. Bless you man!
Peace from DK (if you are ever in CPH, hit me up for a photowalk)
Would definitely love to go your way ! Its definitely on my bucket list ! And thanks for the kind words 👍 means a lot. Really glad my videos do help people 🙂 that's the whole point of me making them
This video should be.... Hey if this phone is for you, go get it and if not, don't get it. You can't please everyone.
Absolutely, just like any other product out there
Vivo x100 Ultra?
Nope, try again 😉
@@UpsideLens what? Hmmm... I think I'll find out on Saturday...
4k display and fhd on a smarphone its ok both no major difference
It is a big jump, QHD resolution would have been a good compromise !
So basically this smartphone focuses on a well optimised automatic mode in order for Sony to gain more popularity, money and feedback to know in such direction they should go. Definitely not a good smartphone. It makes me think of getting a Sony Xperia 1V. ( currently shooting with a Sony A7R and a iPhone 14 Pro Max, but the zoom camera of the iPhone is so terrible )
I think it would be wiser for me to wait for the next modal… tho how long will it take 😩
@@aspilobo 4th quarter 2024
@@Pegasos4 and can you tell me the name of the model pls. It won’t be the Xperia 1VII right
I wanted to change my iPhone 15 Pro for Sony 1 VI, and they I saw they deleted a Pro layout, which tbh was the only one thing I wanted the phone, it just looked Pro as in my Sony camera, and now it looks like every other android one... Thank god though.. The lenses are pretty bad compared to the other new flagships like Xiaomi 14 Ultra. I'd now have a great layout, and still bad lenses, so they saved my money by their mistake 😅😅
I mean the Xperia 1 V is now at a very attractive bargain price and still is a really good phone for photography (can't even compare with the 15 pro max ! ) and has the photo pro app 👍
@@UpsideLens Sure! For a good price, it's very attractive. If somebody has a collection of different phones, as it was me, I'd definitely find a place for it. But having iPhone Pro 15, as my everyday phone, I'd buy just Xiaomi 14 Ultra as a camera imitation, when from time to time, I want to just have some fun outdoor and leave my gear. And there is also a point for Xiaomi, their 3x and 1x is very bright, both F1.8. iPhone is really dark in the 3x - F2.8, so it is bad for night shooting, really, trust, noisy as hell. At the small sensor, every stop of light is important in that circumstances.
@pentagramyt417 oh by any means go for the Xiaomi 14 ultra, that's the phone I have now (see all my latest videos about the Xiaomi 14 ultra and what type of amazing results you can get with it ) and yes I know the iPhone is not great (my partner has it 🙄) and it's due to aging hardware and bad decisions from Apple's part.
nice review 💪💪
Cheers but it isn't a review 😅 I do have a Xperia 1 VI hands on and impressions against the Xiaomi 14 Ultra coming very soon though 👍
would be interested to know if the sony can take moon shots ??@@UpsideLens
Tbh I didn't try as it was the middle of the day BUT things to consider with the Sony VI and something that I do highlight in my next video is that the stabilisation is quite bad at longer zoom range vs other smartphone, something to keep in mind especially when doing macro shots or like moon shots for example.
@@UpsideLens ok perhaps better to wait for the Samsung s25 ultra ?
Time will tell but never been a big fan of Samsung over the top processing from photos to videos. As a photographer Samsung phones just can't compete with the rest. As a casual overall phone yes they're up there with apple and Google.
Many looks like disappointed in Sony xperia 1 VI, which is maybe reasonable, the xperia got from 4k to 1080p screen and the camera and camera app is worse but if you compare to other big mobile phones you get: audio jack ( no IP or SG has it ) besides the inbuild 256/512GB memory you get micro sd card memory expansion slot up to 1.5TB ( No IP or SG hast this today!) . Almost 2 days of screen time , snappy Snapdragon® 8 Gen3 Mobile Platform mobile processor which is good for games and other heavy apps and it's a Sony! and if you buy this phone today you get an Sony WH-1000XM5 wireless noise canceling headphones for free! I wanted to buy the Xperia 1V from my mobile operator but it was out of stock so I getting the Xperia 1 VI instead. I have had Iphones and Samsung Galaxy almost 15 years and I wanted something different and the Xperia 1 VI was cheaper than IP 15 or SG S24.
I dont disagree with you, for many it is a good phone but as a photography centric phone it is still a major overpriced disappointment ! Same sensors as last year on all cameras (and even recycling telephoto sensor from Xperia 1 IV !!!!), major downgrade in the photo app with a cluttered and busy UI and half baked new features aka no raw when shooting at 50mp and no raw when shooting in macro. Again this video was from a photographers point of view, not from average Joe point of view. Photography and videography has been at the center of Xperia for years hence why the VI just doesn't cut it for that anymore, and overall the reason why I'll stay far away from it 👍
@@UpsideLens I'm a weekend or a glad amateur/casual photographer, have a couple Sony full frame dslr like a Sony A7 II, A7R and some APS-C like NEX 7, Sony α6500, RX100 V etc. I use them if I want take quality pictures on the other side the phone camera is for casual, free fast photo and video device for me. The phone camera serves it's purpose very well when I need non-critical pictures but for critical and creative shoots I only use my DSLRs. Of course you can use phone cameras for creative shoots and today the phone cameras are a marvel of technology achieved in a small package but they just can't compete with DSLRs today. I chose the Sony xperia 1 VI for all the functionalities I get in this mobile vs the other mobile phones, Yes the price is steep but it was still cheaper then other mobile brands flagship models on my mobile operator website ad I got it on 3yr plan. You are right, it's a downgrade from xperia 1V and i wanted that mobile in a first place but my operator does not have it in stock anymore so I made a choice to go with xperia 1 VI despite it's inferior camera and camera app but i hope it going to be a good enough replacement for my Samsung galaxy S10 from 2019. 🙂
@lajson mate it'll be a night and day difference with the galaxy S10 yes that's for sure ! 3 years plan though ouch 😬 who you with ? Thought plans were still 24 months
@@UpsideLens Yeah it sucks but I don't change my phone every 2 yr and I got it cheaper with 10% rabats and 30gig/month data plus a free Sony wireless headphones.🙂
I have " Tre" (Three in UK ) in Sweden
I like the phone and i'm not as pro photo user than you are. I like Sony brand. But what's retain me to buy it is the only 3 years of updates for a sush expensive phone. Jack and SD card support are good arguments. But... 3 years for this price... Damn !
Somebody send this video to MKBHD.
No offence to Marques, love his work, commitment and production level but he does very superficial coverage of tech, which can guide most people into one direction or one another, but when it comes to in-depth analysis of tech that's not his thing, it would confuse his viewer base. But thanks for that 😉
@@UpsideLens exactly. Not only one time I "catched" him saying wrong things, showing he was superficial in the analysis. Otherwise yeah, video production level is lovely to watch. Thank you too for the heart!
WOW 👑 SONY GOD FOREVER ✌️ 🥇 👑
They stated the final camera/ video camera application has yet to finalize. So do hope for a great combination of both Photo pro as well as Video pro in it!
Correct for the video pro app, which that in itself doesn't sit well with me, you buy a device for what it is not for what may come along later on. The prime example of that being the sensor crop 48mm that was meant to be updated on the 1V from the 5V, and they never did !
The "PRO" part of the photo camera is sadly already there and all changed, the old Alpha like UI is now a thing of the past sadly.
I think the sony xperia 1vi is a nice phone. Not sure about the display. I have currently the xperia 1v - the display is excellent.
Definitely agree with the V ! One of the best phones I've had in years, was a bit sad to let go of it but it was time for me to move on 👍 enjoy it and let's hope they don't port the new camera app to the V 😅
funny i saw like 10 different test of this phone compared to the last one sony phone and the only downgrade is the screen wich was big overkill to begin with..lmao..so i dont get you to be honest..everything else in that phone is a huge upgrades :)
I guess you didn't see the part about all the camera sensors being the same as last year... I guess you didn't see the part about the software being dumbed down to accommodate noobs and leaving the "pro" not so "pro" anymore, I guess you also skipped the part about the macro mode being pretty bad... I mean this video is from a mobile phone photographer point of view, not for everyday user point of view if that makes sense
@@UpsideLens i saw everything and the new model is still a upgrade no matter how hard you cry about it..the phone photographer you talk about should stop complaining to.so i guess you did not get my comment..and all the "pro" stuff is still there so guess you missed that too :)
Because of your video I woll buy
Build and improve the foundation that you already have..
Bingo! That's all they do.. they listen to Mkhd. Which was a bad move.
Like you said, they should have just improved on what they already had.
Maybe next year Sony will finally replace the ultrawide and telephoto lens that have been recycled for three generations (I IV- IVI). The 1 VI really falls between two stools. Sony wants to appeal to mainstream customers, but it can’t hold a candle to Apple or Samsung in terms of software support. New features are never backported to older Xperias ( the 10 IV can run creative look yet the 1IV did not get it with the Android 14 update. And the 1IV retailed for £1299 when it launched😂😂 ). For those who don’t care about longer software support/ new features and buy an Xperia for its pro camera features, the new simplified camera UI will fail to impress.
Sony can update the three pro apps and put them on the Play Store. But Sony probably won’t listen to its customers.
well.. I think it's too soon to tell the VI not remarkable.. maybe it will have major update rather than V.. hope Sony will do major update too for V..
For the sake of all the people who enjoy photography as a hobby I hope they do not update the V ! That's the worst scenario !
well I mean the update software is for only the basic mode and the periscope performance.. the rest camera app (photo, video, cinema pro) must updated too but not into one app like on VI.. seriously, Sony can do better to make the three apps become powerful
Personally what i like about the new xperia 1 vi, i feel it was designed for me xD
I mean the camera is still pro that all i care XD
4k is not noticable in phones, 1080p QHD won't really be different ethier is what the spec put on the display that make it looks soo good, someone compare both, and said that tge screen in 4k mode didn't looks so different with the new xperia 1 vi, i think sony just took something that really wasn't neassarary, even i took pictures and see it on my 4k TV instead to get the full details 😅
Like I said in the video, it isn't a bad phone by any means but my gripes are that for the ultra flagship price they charge for it, keeping the same sensors all around as the 1V as well as aggressively downgrading the resolution and a laughable macro mode really is a big slap in the face ! Had they priced it accordingly, let's say around the £900/£1000 mark then be it but seeing that the competition offers much better hardware at a lower price can't excuse Sony's practice this year.
@@UpsideLens no no ofc I don't mind your opinion, you have yours and it make sense for you, but i seen some others kinda complain for no reason XD
Such a shame they did it. Cos I was finally ready to buy it if they only did one more level of pro which they gone with. I guess they will keep pro for the PRO-I 2
Buy it and use it then u can feel the difference