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What’s insane is that calculations can’t even be properly done for Metro man because he never had to try. You can measure his speed all you want but if you look at him he’s basically just walking and even in still motion time is stopped for him. The best calculations for him that are possible are only what we saw him do with the small effort he needed. I’d love to see what he’d actually be capable of if he gave 100%
that goes for literally every fictional character the phrase "they haven't shown their full power" can be attributed to every single character, including Omni Man. Not to mention, it's literally not possible to calculate how much stronger they'd even be as it'd be headcanon and not supported or shown feats. Making them pointless. Metro Man's speed is also heavily overplayed as people say he "stops time" or "lived x amount of time in y amount of very very small seconds" which are both not present, mentioned or even displayed in the movie. Metroman "stopping time" is literally just him moving so fast that the movement of everybody else seems slow, just like how everybody looks slow when you're on a moving train. Those characters are still moving, simply very slow from Metro Man's perspective of which the best time I found was "less than a single frame", or about a 30th of a second depending on the movie's framerate. At the VERY most, it is 6x the speed of light, which many, MANY characters in fiction trivialise. Many, including Omni Man, who travelled at least 4.24 light years in a week, or over 200x the speed of light at a lowball. A highball reaching 3.4 billion x C
@@CottonArsonist I understand but Metro Man has had literally no effort needed in anything he’s done at all. Omni Man has bled which shows at least some level of a limit, the point I’m trying to make is that it’s nearly impossible to scale someone’s feats when they themselves hardly needed to display anything.
@@CottonArsonist Omniman HAS showed his full power and got stomped more than once because he wasn't strong, or fast enough. At least, in the comics... The show however, I guess you could say he hadn't. But than why let himself get beat to near death?
Metro man has proved to be so fast that time is at a standstill for him. Omni man can be chip damaged by speed as we saw in the first episode. Even if metro man isn’t physically strong enough, his speed puts him on a whole other level
That’s just a episode of the show, the comics easily has him exiting solar systems and even going to a different galaxy withn a specific amount of time (I forgot how long it was lol)
@@noobyskeletongamer3870 If a person can travel faster than the speed of light, literally time would stand still for you while other people's perception is seeing you pretty much instantaneously teleport. Also need to point out Metroman is very much still moving from Point A to Point B. If Omni man can travel from the solar system to the virgo supercluster which is billions of lightyears away, and he travelled there in just a week which is MFTL+. He can definitely run as fast as metroman.
I feel like metro man could literally sit there experimenting on omniman to find a weakness for however long it takes without omniman even realizing anything's happening
If they’re of similar enough mass, then I think the vast difference in speed would make a punch from metro man much more impactful than Omni man, because speed directly affects impact force, not just how fast you can move (F=ma)
Yeah good point, metro man seems to have better control of his speed then omni man, and I personally think more times then not that would be Omni mans downfall, thx for commenting and watching the video g it means a lot consider dropping a sub to support the channel it would mean a lot fr
And kinetic energy as KE = 1/2 mv^2 so being massively faster than someone your own mass and scaling your durability up to your striking strength at your max speed due to Newton's third law then Metro man might have a chance against some versions of Omni man
ppl tend to forget metro man speed feat didn't affect the mass around him, as if it does a lot fo ppl in metro city would have died, so he was either faster than the registration of mass or he has the ability to slow down certain thing like human object or planet and individually choose what to unslow like the door the fries the air the wire objects the books and so on and again this mf isn't even trying, he is probably sneaking into megamind secret base on a hourly scale we dont know at this point it could very well be true
😂 ok that's not how physics work, regardless of how fast something Is there is nothing like registering mass as long as an object that has mass is moving it will displace particles where ever it goes, it's going to be occupying a space. The faster the higher the force. The explanation is really simple, the writers are not physicists. They simply didn't think that much through
Normally I would be saying “metroman powers are played for comic relief and shouldn’t be taken seriously” but Metroman powers are so consistent and the movie makes it so clear that nothing is a treat to him. I think is obvious that he is on another level.
People forget one thing. That Omni Man can't just start from 0 and go MFTL+² (this is an exageration) Speed in a second, at least in the start of the series, and yes, I think He was going, at least somewhat serious against the Guardians of The Globe. Meanwhile MM simply chooses to "Guess I'm gonna go so fast that everyone else will be frozen, time to rethink my life" It's like Flash levels of moving His molecules so fast He can just phase through matter. It's on that level of acceleration/burst of speed, and this matters a lot in a fight.
@@daindreska8206 This. And Red Rush is a confirmed 400+mph, below sound speed, so that makes it even worse. Omni-Man's speed is trash in fights. Only without friction in space is his travel speed any good.
@@TheStraightestWhitest So yeah, Omni man's power isn't a result of being able to go fast, it's just that he can increase his acceleration without end. That's nothing like what Metro Man is doing, and if Red Rush can hurt Omniman to the point of blood spatter, then Metro Man is turning Omniman into Blood Spatter with a flick of the wrist.
Omni Man had some decent trouble with Red Rush, so Metro Man being even faster than Rush and also punching decently hard would stack up to be pretty damaging to Omni Man. Metro Man could easily let off more than enough punches to mimic what Rush did to him in his final moments, if not completely cave in his chest cause he's punching at strengths well beyond with speeds well beyond
@@rickojay7536 still, Red Rush spent his final moments raining hell on Omniman, to the point that he coughed blood. If Metroman got caught like Rush did, his punches would do even worse damage and he'd be punching at ten thousand times the speed, plus he's more durable so his head won't get popped so easily
@@rickojay7536 bro I literally rewatched the scene to double check before even making that comment. Immortal and War Woman hadn't even landed a hit when he killed Rush and it literally shows him begin coughing blood and bleeding out the nose while Rush is punching him right in the chest, what are YOU watching?? I hope that facepalm hurt cause you need to slap some sense into yourself bro
@@eg_manifest510 omniman only coughed blood when everyone else was dead, all red rush did was make his skin a little red and that's not from the impact it's from the high speed friction which was backed by darkblood later
I also thought it was very weird to scale metroman to %of light, being that he not only dodged a light beam, but had a full existencial crisis, is implied to have read entire books, it feels like he thought about it for 'days' and then came back... and the laser still hadn't reached the observatory... like, how is he SLOWER than light, and yet moves so fast lights seems to be paused in time for him!?!
'Cuz the beam likely isn't even moving at light speed (seeing how we can see actual sun rays moving during Metro Man's crisis and they're leagues upon leagues faster than Megamind's beam). There's nothing that implies it's moving at light speed, even if you want to time how quickly it reaches Earth (which isn't ideal seeing how we don't know exactly where the satellite is, but, there have been a bunch of calculations on VSWiki which issue all possible locations and thus time scaling, and none of them are still light speed).
@@dirtyfighters7751 No way you just used VS battle wiki💀💀💀 Look I don't necessarily think he's lightspeed either but come up with a better source than that
@@Very_Silly_Individual Again, where’s the actual proof it’s a beam of light? It’s a satellite firing concentrated sun fire from the sun and it legit moves slower than the literal light rays we see in Metro Man’s montage thing, meaning it’s most certainly not an actual beam of light nor is it firing sun fire at light speed.
I love how so many people dig deep into real physics to try and debunk Metroman's speed feat and say he's slower than light, yet when Omni-man is travelling MFTL we can still _see_ him. So if Metroman is sub-light speed due to IRL physics, then Omni-man is also sub-light speed because light still bounces off of him while he's travelling through space and allows us to still perceive him.
Well one of them was taking out a planet and managed to travel across the universe. The other one had an existential crisis in a single planet in 0.0001 second.
@poot "The other one had an existential crisis in a single planet in 0.0001 second." The other one spent weeks or months atleast reading a couple books, walking around the city, sitting around flying kites, pondering his life and megamind's, until his final decision to retire for ONE frame (12ms) in real time. This is borne out by seeing that light covers a distance of 3,500 km in that time, perfectly fitting a satellite in LEO (~2000km) charging and firing. Now compress this lowball of 1 month for 12ms to get a ratio of 30*24*60*60s / 12/1000s = 216,000,000, multiplying with NORMAL WALKING speed of 6km/hr = 3.6 * 10^8, already faster than light speed. Actually, he's WAYYY faster, seeing that sitting in one spot for hours wasn't enough for a single beam of light to reflect off him, and then travel to be caught in anyone's eyes.
The human reaction time is about 250 milliseconds. Metroman spent basically half a day within those 250 milliseconds, and he wasn't even starting to exert himself, imagine how fast he could go if he did. It does not matter how strong he is, he is so insanely fast that even if he had normal strength he could beat omniman easily, it would just take a while from his perspective. That being said, he can lift entire skyscrapers without breaking a sweat. He would turn Omniman into a fine mist without struggle.
Didn't Metroman in the movie say that he thought about their charade for "days"? Could that imply that Metroman could've spent more than half a day within those 250 milliseconds?
@@xitcix8360 During his mid-life crisis scene, he moved about 459 times faster than light. Now, sure, that's impressive, and considering Tighten has his DNA set and could lift skyscrapers with ease, Metroman is pretty damn strong. But the thing is, Omni-Man has far, far more impressive feats that would, if we go by feats, would make this matchup very far from close in Omni's favor. He's moved across entire galaxies in under a day and the guy can rip planets in half if he felt like it. Metroman never really had to try or really put it effort, so to me this feels more like another Omni-Man vs Homelander. It'd be much closer than that, but even still, 459x faster than light? Really? Omni-Man can do that as a light jog, considering his galaxy traversal feats land him somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8 BILLION times the speed of light. The sizes of the galaxies aren't disclosed, but we can assume they are 100,000 light years in width. Nolan traveled across most of the Milky Way which we can set as about 74,000 light years (the whole thing is 105,700 light years) in a day or two at most. Remember, he was in Thraxa in a few days, a week at most. To travel 74,000 light years in a day, he'd have to be moving at something like 6.13282392e21 kilometers per hour, which by the way is already hundreds of millions of the times the speed of light. And then we have to factor in the fact that we're quite far from other galaxies, something like 100,000 light years. He'd have to move at 8.28759989e21 km/h to reach yet another galaxy in a day. Assuming it is 100,000 light years in diameter, to fully cross it he needs to move at the same speed. So we double this and get 1.65751998e22 km/hr. In short, Omni-Man can move billions of times faster than light. Metro Man wouldn't know what hit him. I know this math might be bullshit but hey, I'm driving a point here so at least let me cook (don't have to eat cause I'm a terrible chef). He's hundreds of times faster than light but Nolan is millions of times faster, easily. Point is, Metro Man IS fast and very strong, but simply put his feats just aren't anywhere nearly as close to Nolan's. I get that people meme him to death arguably more than Metal Gear but Christ he's not THAT strong going off mere feats. FURTHERMORE, after we received a LOVELY scene where he had his own existential crisis, probably blanking out and thinking about what Mark said to him after he almost beat his ass to death, Black Holes have a gravitational pull of 1.2e44 newtons, and for Omni-Man to not only stay steadily afloat near one, but to actually move away from one, he must have been going at a top speed of 400 DECILLION times lightspeed. So the first "It's not even a contest" thing is very much correct, just in the opposite direction. Red Rush actually disabled or at least nullified Omni-Man's ridiculously powerful regeneration, which is why he struggled. However, he is damn well aware he's weak in that area to a Speedster Barrage, but being honest if Omni-Man can move that fast he can probably ram through the biggest stars with no problems, dude's probably gonna end up throwing hands with Superman if we scale him to that level somehow, some way, because the show builds the man different. Not to mention, Omni-Man punched through a planet specifically capable of housing billions of continent-busting superpowered genocidal warmongers whose thirst for blood is unquenchable. Sure, he had a lot of help getting it right for busting open, but being 1/3 of the power to actually break a planet isn't something to scoff about. He's moon level without question, but after what I've said I'm starting to think he can give Flash, a guy that can manipulate the spacetime continuum, a damn good run for his money. Anyhow, I've binged the series extensively and talked it over with some of my friends, one of whom has an unholy level of Invincible comics and stuff plastered in her room, like I thought I was glazing Nolan but damn this girl is nuts. Digression aside, she and I stated a solid point: A planet's core is billions of degrees, and Nolan being able to withstand a destablizing one means he's a real tough cookie. Also, Mark was able to withstand the surface of the sun for quite some time, and still lived. At that point Omni-Man was still physically much stronger. So, him being able to tank city-sized lightsaber-hot projectiles to the face doesn't sound unreasonable, but my question is, how strong was Megamind's Death Ray? We can't take him at his word, as he's always prone to boasting. We know for a fact it's at least building level and pretty hot, but... At what level and temperature is that laser? Answer: Building level. It destroyed a giant robot and an observatory, but it didn't do much more damage in either instance. So in short: Do some research goddamn it.
My perspective is tv show Omni-Man gets beaten by Metro Man in a straight up fight. Red Rush is moving vastly slower than Metro Man and still did damage over repeated punches while landing 3 punches before Omni-Man caught his fist. Nolan was fighting to kill them all in a sneak attack. If he tried to kill Metro Man like he tried with the Immortal he might land the blow, but he likely would not kill him. Metro Man then goes super speed and counter attacks if he survives the initial punch. Metro Man then simply beats Omni-Man until he bleeds like War Woman and Immortal did and kills him. Also Metro Man can fly at those same speeds and move objects without disturbing the air around him. He might just grab Nolan and throw him around. Comic Nolan? That's more likely to go in Omni-Man's favor. As it's a comic we can't see the speed on screen, but the dialogue implies at least equal speed plus Nolan has experience fighting equal opponents thus Nolan wins by skill and experience matched with equal or greater power level.
Actually, scaling Metroman's strength to the energy the sun produces in light would be wrong. The solar panels absorbing the sun's light obviously didn't absorb the full surface area of the sun's light, only a small portion like real world solar panels do. You wouldn't be able to prove it absorbed the amount the sun outputs in total per second.
Yeah but megamind says that it’s the full power of the sun and that it’s concentrated , so the small portion being absorbed would scale to the full thing because it’s concentrated, or ie compacted
@@Goji-C Ok, but the amount of energy the sun produces per second isn't really the same as the amount the sun would produce in its lifetime, which I would assume is the "full consecrated power". Megamind was incredibly vague when he said that so there isn't really a way to prove how potent the beam was outside of just calculating the destruction it caused. Also also, let me quantify the Metroman speed feat for you while using Megamind having light speed reaction. Light Speed reaction is 3.33 nanoseconds, so that's the timeframe Metroman moved in. We don't have a way to quantify how much of a distance Metroman travelled, but we can assume he probably travelled the average distance a city go'er would walk in a day, which is around 5 miles. So to travel 5 miles in 3.33 nanoseconds, he would be moving at 8,060.35 times faster than light. Which still is much slower than the travel speed feats Chuck gave for Nolan, which were in the hundreds of millions to billions of times faster than light.
@@Goji-CBasically, to shorten what I said so this wouldn't come off as me shotgunning. How do you know that when he says "the full consecrated power of the sun", he means the amount of energy the sun outputs with light in a second?
Tightens powers were from a strand of metro man’s hair, so that’s like what 0.1% of metro man’s powers and he could still throw skyscrapers almost a mile far
@@katanyafleet the movie, it comes from the movie. Tighten has a ridiculously small portion of metroman's power, which he recieved directly from megamind with his comically large syringe thing. Megamind used a speck of dandruff he got from metroman to do this. Making tightens honestly very good feats a speck of dandruff in comparison to metroman.
@@nuclearpaste It did come from dandruff, but Megamind makes it clear that it is the DNA which he is searching for because it has the essence of Metro Man's power. Hal is weaker because he isn't experienced, isn't fully alien, and hasn't had the powers very long. I saw the Reddit post about Metro Man's scale based off of his power being evenly distributed by mass, but that is directly refuted by the movie. Tighten is also shown to be weaker than Metro Man only where Tighten does not use Metro Man's full speed power, which he may simply not have discovered in his short time with the power set. That specific power is also Metro Man's greatest feat.
Got one issue. I might not agree with Chuck, but I also think the Sun laser scaling is questionable. Megamind saying "The full, concentrated power of the Sun!" could easily be an exaggeration, given how prone he is to boasting. It's powered by the sun, yes, and it is concentrated... but to what degree? Metro Man is clearly far, far above building level, but we have no clue how far.
Nice feedback tbf and seeing as how he said it’s the full concentrated power of the sun it could be star lvl but I have a generous interpretation saying that, the laser only scales to be Solar output the sun emits per second so multi continental, and I don’t see megamind exaggerating in that context at least because it would more or less mean megamind is lying about his tech which I don’t see him doing, also thank you for the comment, I enjoyed reading it and if you liked the video SUB PLS RAHHHHH
The same guy who fought the same guy for years and makes his stuff literally literal. He kinda makes them flat out what they are based on and is able to reanimate objects at a young ass age. Him gassing up his own invention is him essentially telling how fucking Powerful that shit is.
My answer to that is pretty simple: Metro Man was literally written to be invincible, he is indestructable, can basically stop time itself and there seems to be no upper limit to his strength, meanwhile Omni Man is killed in the comics and is even weaker in the show.
Uh yeah, using this as an argument is really dumb. Kind of the Saitama vs Goku argument. Just because Omni Man gets killed and Metro Man is written to be "indestructible" doesn't mean one is automatically better than the other. One has to deal with bloodthirsty conquerors that are around his level of power and the other has to deal with a goofy villain that's not really a villain at heart, that's clearly way weaker than he is. You're comparing Apples to Oranges.
Gamer, Metro Man is from a movie made for kids who haven't even hit grade school, Omni-Man hails from a series quite literally built different. Omni-Man has to throw hands with basically everyone he comes across at some point, and the dude even stalemated a chick that bench presses universes while also fighting a guy that can play kickball with stars.
@@rogers4760 Gamer held back. He wanted to sow discord, confusion, and strife among his faux-allies to distract them, to make them more easy to fool. Bigger question is why he would do all that when he can just conquer Earth in a few months tops. To that I just don't know. Meanwhile Metro Man is next to featless compared to Omni-Man. Also, Red Rush's bones were literally shattered trying to hurt the guy. It wasn't the strength of the attacks, it was their speed and thus frequency of said attacks. Water against a giant cliff won't do much in one go but over time it erodes. That's literally how Earth is itself today.
I actually did look it up and apparently what it would take to destroy all living things on Earth would be boiling all the oceans, and the exact amount of energy given was 5.6 x 10^26 joules- given as multi-continental. So I do think that Chuck was stretching to say that life-wiping would mean planetary, something at a far larger energy output. I appreciate you taking the respectful stance here.
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@@Goji-C You were honestly too fair to Omni-Man. His travel speed was measured without friction in space after a week of accelerating. His combat speed meanwhile was too slow for Red Rush (mach 3), and even to catch CECIL. An old man being monitored and manually teleported by humans with normal human perception. Omni-Man's combat speed is barely superhuman. It's literally within human bounds. A well trained boxer could probably dodge him a few times before getting tagged and splattered. This means that even IF Omni-Man's perception is fast enough for Metroman (which based on the fact that he can perceive things while moving FTL in space isn't unfeasible), it wouldn't matter since he can't make himself accelerate fast enough to even get within the same stratosphere of combat speed as him since he cannot even surpass mach 3 in combat. Hell, he's never shown breaking the sound barrier in a fight, mach 1. Metroman curbs him easily. Not even a contest.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Hmmm did you know that Invincible had beat Spawn once? And Omniman is way stronger than Invincible, Spawn was shown to transcend time and space making him immeasurable which is faster than infinite speed
@@Collofkidseditz You're using using indirect powerscaling for omniman by using feats of a character that did not play a part in a fight that a different character won. Omni man is still slow as shit and Metroman still wins this battle no question.
What really bugs me is comparing travel speed to combat speed. I think writers have to give these characters FTL capabilities because a 500 year time skip anytime they went anywhere would make for an awful show or comic. Idk if they're meant to just be build speed for weeks in space or have some kind hyperspace travel. But they never use that speed in fights, which is very apparent with omniman. He struggles with red rush's speed in a life or death fight and then travels to a few different star systems within a few months ofscreen. That is very different from metroman experiencing what looks like days before a laser can reach earth from orbit. If vague off-screen travel speed is remotely comparable to everyday combat speed, g1 starscream fucking blitzes both of them. Because he traveled from a planet that was maybe accidentally drawn to be outside of the galaxy to earth in under a minute.
The problem is that most people make two VERY incorrect assumptions about speed. The first terrible assumption is that a character will always have speed perception to match their top speed, which definitely should not be done as they are technically two different powers. The second assumption is that any character should take little to no time to reach their top speed, this is assumed because regular humans don't take long to reach top speed but space travel is different and some characters might have to spend hours or day or even longer to reach their top speeds depending on how their powers work.
Problem is that the power scaling community tries to hide heavy bias with calculations Calculations are usually just used to stack numbers in favor of one character
Great video! While I understand the reasonings, I personally don't feel like the laser is a definitive way to put Metro Man at multi continental. While Megamind did claim it contained all the power of the sun, he isn't shy of theatrics so it is possible to interpret it that way. Also, considering the more consistent feats of Omni Man's strength, I would still give it to him. Besides that, this was a fun video.
The biggest disadvantage omni man has is his human reaction time he can move and do stuff at high speeds but that's a lesser extent to his top speed at the same time he seems to be more human when it comes to reacting to attacks it took him a while to beat the guardians for that reason.
Agreed. But I would rather base this off of Nolan, the original one of the comics. In the comics, the gaurdians didn't even touch him, I'm talking no diff victory for omniman. Not totally sure why they changed that for the show.
@@OhSeeBarber well I've heard metromans supposed to be a caricature of superman, so I could say this is just omniman vs superman. But I can't prove the writers said that so it's hearsay to me. But if he is supposed to be a superman copy, then superman at his prime is punching through planets and eradicating it lol.
Omni-Man can move 3 billion times the speed of light. You also need to look at season 2 when he travels about 65 million lightyears in 7 days, with stops to just contemplate his existence. Also, in episode 1 and episode 8, he can move so fast that everyone around him slows down so much to the point that you can barely see them moving.
The reason he said it's debatable whether the beam was lightspeed or not, was because it's debatale whether it was even a beam of just pure light to begin with. It seemed to be more of a beam of the HEAT of the sun instead, due to it's total radius and it's shade, size and appearance. It's also debatable, because metro man was caught inbetween a camera frame, had a shadow and was blue shifting, which all point to him being high releativistic, as for one, he was caught in a camera frame, so even if we say he lived out an entire day in his view, that would still be only relativistic. For two, he had a shadow, which only happeds when light hits you, and then your body blocks the light from hitting the spot your shadow is. So if he was light speed, that wouldn't happen. And for three, he was litterally blueshifting during that feat, which is something that happens when a object is moving at high relativistic speed, more specifically 75-99% the speed of light. Other than that, Other than that, you're scaling for strength and durability is pretty good, if not actually perfect.
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Yeah that’s wrong because for one. It’s literally stated to be a beam powered by the sun. And sun rays move at lightspeed. But if you don’t want to take a literal super geniuses word for it. The beam takes approximately 2 seconds in real time for it to reach earth and hit the dome which is well over the speed of light. It would take you 8 minutes to reach the sun at the speed of light. so yeah there’s that
@@wallywest5186 Yeah, because a sun *ray* is a literal beam of *light*. It's never explicitly stated what the beam really contains, though if we assume it was just sun rays, it would likely have more of a vaporizing effect than an... explosion. We can the reason it took only two seconds to be well... it wasn't from the sun itself. It was a literal death beam, which was just bit closer than the moon. The sun is... just "a bit further" than that (joking on how big the the understatement is). The death ray seems like it would be a similar distance to the moon, though a bit closer by about 50,000 miles, so it makes sense that it instead takes only two seconds, as realistically it would take similar time to reach for light (assuming it isn't just a heat beam powered by the sun) to reach the earch, if it came from a similar distance.
@@TheEnigma7121 Any beam is light, it would not be visible if it was not. We see him move faster than the beam in the movie, and he isn’t even rushing 😂
@@evanboeckler9610 Technically no, as a beam is either light, or a light *source*. The beam in the movie seemed more like the latter option, due to the look of it. Even if we do assume that it is a light beam, it is still his second to only speed feat, as you *could* count it is separate from his soul searching scene, which is relativistic at best. So that would mean that his best speeds would be if he tried, probable lightspeed, to maybe just above that with a bit of wank.
I see a lot of people saying “travel speed doesn’t equal combat speed” in response to Omni man’s speed scaling. Even though it’s stated in an invicible guide book that Allen, someone who Omni man has beaten before, is able to react at a similar speed to how fast he flies. Which is impressive when you remember that he casually crosses multi galactic distances in a matter of weeks.
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Bro and to think metrochad was walking smh if he was going full speed and using a rough estimate from my mind before I watch the video if titan easy lifted the broken building and he is untrained and hasn’t trained his strength like metroman has probably done then metro man at least his strength is city level and that with his speed Omni man gets clapped in every category and way
thank you for making this. i commented on that video that i agreed with omni man but he downplayed metroman. he read 2 books during the time that time was frozen. He stopped time for anywhere between a couple hours to potentially days. Depends on how fast his mind processes. to be honest if you count the sun beam as an actual laser its almost implied he can indefintely stop time if the laser can be controlled at the speed he wants. When he enters to lookout again you can see everything slowly start moving. Seems like its implied its all completely under his control becuase he did this at what looked like 1% effort for speed. Not to mention titan lifted potentially literally hundreds of millions to billions of pounds ( a blue whale is about 300,000 pounds and that building was a lot of blue whales in steel and concrete) and we all know metro man is incredibly stronger. and titan fucking threw that thing with minimal effort lmao. I honestly think metro man even wins. Hes much faster both are mftl but we havent seen omni man stop time. and i personally think omni man is dwarfed in power to an absolute extreme. Idk but i think Nolan is struggling with that building a little more than metro man would. What i havent seen that plays a very huge part is metro mans durability. He hasnt fought someone like Nolan so its really hard to say. but tbh metro man could stop time on nolan. His speed feat was done instantly in a breeze, he moseyed off lmao. Omni mans fastest is a built up speed. They (viltrumites) dont normally just mftl lmao. Nolan did on his flight back to his original galaxy in 2 weeks i think it was. Dont quote me.
the argument about Megamind being able to perceive faster than light movement as a baby on his spacecrib is definitely not what i was expecting to be my biggest takeaway from this
That isn’t really how light speed and relativity work though. Since they are going the same speed and in the same direction, relatively speaking, they aren’t moving relative to each other. Still, metro man solos, no diff
The problem here is we have no scale for metromans actual strength. The laser would not be a feat of strength but durability. We know he can take hits but can he throw emough
Well, we know titan was made with metromans dandruff(he didn't become whatever metromans race was) and titan was picking up skyscrapers leisurely. So I'm guessing he's pretty f*cking strong 😂 but it's hard to measure his real strength for sure. I remember on the DVD commentary something about how metromans supposed to be a 1 for 1 rip off of superman and other heroes like him, so I'm just going to assume this dude can punch through the planet if he tried lol.
Well you need durability if you want to hit anything with the force you're using. Let's say that I tackled you at mach 1 and didn't have the durability to withstand the after effect of tackling you, both of us would be a red mist because neither of us would be able to take the impact of moving at mach 1 into each other. So the laser may not be a feat of strength, but it would be a standard that can be used to say that MM can maybe hit this hard and be unaffected by hitting that hard. Of course, we do not have a maximum durability feat either for MM, so it's possible for MM to take even stronger hits than the doom ray feat and dish out those hits without hurting himself
3:42 i would scale omniman to plantery or large plantery. Going off the fact infinity ray is stronger then a weapon that’s capable of destroying a planet which clearly was used as an example it that the viltrumites wouldn’t be affected by it. The infinity ray outscales that weapon and was fired at viltrumite’s planet core which wasn’t enough to destroy it
I think Metro man would win because of his durability. Viltrumites burn themselfs if they get near the surface of the sun but metro man can tank the concetrated power of the sun
In the movie, metroman was casually flying in the blast of the explosion form the sun beam, and the sun is a star. so does that mean metro man can tank star level attacks?
I think it’s more likely he used his speed to dodge it and that’s what I personally thought was was happening, but even if he tanked it like I said I think it’s more likely full power of the sun means the energy it’s able to output per second which is multi continental
If it had the literal concentrated power of the sun it's not a building that would have been destroyed it's the whole city at the very least or the planet at the most
I feel like this even undercuts Metroman, he didn't just have all that time and blitz megamind before the deathray hit, it was in less than a frame of the movie which I believe is 60 fps but we'll say 30, he didn't even fully disappear in 1/30th of a second then, he traveled the city, got food, had time to experience a midlife crisis, and learn to fake his own death. In less than 1/30th of a second, lets even say it is a small city and he didn't go far, going 1 block in that time would cause a shockwave so powerful it would probably level half the city anyways, which he still did all this leisurely and of his own volition, no adrenaline or anything. Plus, he easily withstood his own speed against the air resistance, which doesn't sound like much but it means wonders for his durability. All from less than 1/30th of a second.
I don't think you can scale the death ray to the output of the sun just because Megamind said so. It hit the ground without metroman in the way and clearly didn't destroy multiple continents, you also can't argue that it releases the energy to destroy multiple continents but doesn't create an Explosion that big because then it would release that energy into the atmosphere which would be noticeable on earth.
I didn’t mention it in the video but I didn’t think I needed to but basically since the power was concentrated that means it was put into one straight beam, + ap of an attack in fiction doesn’t scale to the area of effect or destructive capacity, also thx for the comment and in glad you watched the video drop a sub to support the channel
@@сесьсясьyes it doey how many continet and sky spliting punches has saitama thrown and the planet is still in one piece the only time we have seen the planet acctually suffer some dmg was when psychos cut its top off
Why would Metro Man be even close to the idea of losing, yeah maybe Omniman is far experienced but we learned that Tighten has super hearing and Metroman is incredibly fast and Metroman's powers are far superior to Tighten, the moment Omniman even clutched his fist to come at MetroMan he would definitely hear every inch of Omniman'e costume expand and his blood pressure rise just from the moment Omniman thought of tryna kill Metro Man, it's not even close. The only weakness I can think Metroman has is he needed a spaceship when he came at Earth which means he needs oxygen but goodluck tryna brute force Metroman into going to space when you can't even catch him.
@@greyish7212 i feel like you're not getting into fantasy bullshit. If you watch the movie in Megamind, you know they displayed some physically impossible feats and that includes hearing. Idk how it works for them and i don't really care cuz that's how they present it. Now if you're gonna debate about fantasy bullshit at least try and do some research.
bro no one in the megamind verse have powers except him quicksilver in avengers paused nearly everyone in his perspective and he wasn't even running at full top speed so even though we are shown how fast he is effortlessly how would that scale to omniman who battles faster than light beings for thousands of years and remember homelander is the strongest in his verse and yet if you drop him in marvel he he's quite weak
@@grandmastersubzero1358yeah that would be true, unless you watched the video where you see metro man dodge a beam of light effortlessly and whilst it was still coming down rethink his whole life
@@zenthossohtnez8331 ok but that still doesn't mean anything thought considering almost every single powerhouse heroes can statue light beam so he still could be a snail to characters that has not only slow down light beam but got into fights with other faster than light being metro man never even been in a fight in his life
I feel like the best evidence Metro Man would survive the laser is that the cells on his cape weren't destroyed by it when it hit and the DNA was still salvageable.
Metro man likely wins the overall fight on speed alone but yeah I kinda saw where the argument of Titan>Doom laser vaguely equal to or less than the Death Robot>theoretical Megaman from Megaminds perspective>Real Megamind with the math from how much he’d been holding back against Megamind if we take his speed % as a overall hold back then multiply his power by that much as well and holy shit that’s comparable to if not above Omniman’s feats
Omni Man is at very least planet level to solar system level at very most, Space Racer gun used to weaken Viltrum core was stated to casually destroy planets and stars in almost an instant, and Space Racer upgraded his gun to be even more powerful for that battle, yet it only managed to temporarily attenuate Viltrum before it charged off and it started to stabilize again, which means that this planet was so dense but sitll Viltrumite trio managed to blown it up and came out unscarred.
@@Goji-C Megamind didn't dodge the laser being fired at Lightspeed he dodged the laser being turned his direction at a conceivable speed, looking at the scene he also started to jump before the laser was fired so there was prediction involved.
@@lei302 First bit is literally not a feat debunk and it's with Lightspeed and the second is bit btw is that he looks at the direction,saw it and jumped before it could react to him
@@asiopro6384 How is it not? The laser wasn't moved towards megamind at light speed, so he doesn't need Lightspeed reflexes to dodge it. I can't find a reason to assume the laser was turned towards him anywhere near the speed of light
My take on it is, Metro Man wins, no diff. When megamind says the full concentrated power of the sun, I assume that just means the beam has the same heat as the sun, which metro man easily survives, not even sweating as the beam is right on top of him. On the other hand, we know from the comics that stars can easily kill even the strongest viltrumites. Then there’s speed. Metro man goes from standing in a room to relativistic speeds instantly and while omni-man can reach those speeds as in the comics, it’s shown that it takes a long period of acceleration to reach those speeds. So in terms of durability and speed, metro man takes the win. As for strength, it’s hard to say since we never really see metro man fight, however based on titan’s strength, pretty easily tossing a skyscraper, we can say metro man is at least that powerful and likely actually much stronger than that given titan showed nowhere near the speed metro man showed so titan probably only got a small portion of his powers. As for omni man, the strongest viltrumites could probably destroy a small planet, like conquest and thragg so I would put omni man close to their level of strength, so I would say it’s either a tie or win for omni man in terms of strength. Overall, easy win for metro man since omni man probably can’t even get a hit in and even if he did, it may not do much damage given metro man’s durability. Metro man could probably just fly omni man into the sun and win like that.
It's also worth noting, the creators directly stated that none of Megamind's inventions are capable of harming Metroman, which makes the strength of the laser a massive durability feat for metroman. Id need to find the video where the "full concentrates power of the sun" (energy produced by the sun in a certain amount of time, confined to a single point) was calced because the conclusion of that put Metroman's durability at or above viltrumites. It's wild stuff
@doctorstrange3740 Dude, are you talking about Metroman or omniman? If you're talking about Omniman, that's straight-up downplay. If you're talking about Metroman, where tf did you get Moon level scaling from?
@@permquestor218 Alr first of all metroman is far beyond city level due to statements of megamind having weapons/device that could destroy the planet and metro man should be above that since the first part of the movie is literally about how megamind just keep failing to defeat him second what makes you think that omniman is planetary level
@doctorstrange3740 Omniman literally destroyed a planet in the 2nd episode of invincible. Even if you view the feat more as a planet wiper than a planet buster, it's still more impressive than anything metroman has shown,metroman is featless, in the comics (If I remember correctly) Metroman not only fly through a planets core,but he destroyed it too,probably not planetary, but still better than anything metroman has shown I don't remember it ever being stated megamind can destroy the moon, even then I highly doubt metroman scales to that explosion
@@permquestor218 my guy he didn’t destroy a planet what bro did ep2 is that he only wipe the surface of the planet and that feat only puts him at multi-continental and it’s not like he did it in one day omniman could have spent weeks or months in the flaxan dimension due how times work in that dimension and how his facial hair has grown significantly
I disagree actually , The laser didn't destroy a continent , nor anything close to it , it litterally only destroyed a hill . Thats not proof that its multi continental , especially since it didn't destroy continents TWICE , thats a highball
I don’t agree that it’s Continental either… but your logic is flawed. As a scaler there is a different between AP and DC. Attack Potency and Destructive Capabilities/Capacity. Just because it didn’t destroy a continent doesn’t mean it’s doesn’t have the same potency output to destroy one. Just how omni man can blow up the moon via calcs but doesn’t destroy it with each attack. Or how goku is complex multiversal but doesn’t destroy a multiverse everytime he fights. Ect…
@@narrowmax7382that's true. It's possible for the laser to continental power without destroying a continent. To the same degree of Goku having multivsal level punches without destroying the multivrse
@@jaideepshekhar4621 Well if we were to go off his own possible reasoning, he wasn't aiming to destroy himself and everyone else with the beam, only destroy MM with it. If he wanted to destroy the continent, he probably would have needed to wait longer for the beam to charge, meaning that he would have prepared the charge in advance and get out of dodge before the beam was done charging to fire it, and would have had the overall beam be larger than what we saw.
The funny thing about the virtgo supercluster feat is that its pretty impossible to actually calculate since there are multiple galaxies including the milkyway within it. Since virtgo super cluster isnt the virtgo cluster so he could be anyway from 221x ftl from going to the nearest solar system in 2 weeks to a couple billion depending on exactly where the planet is
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I love this point, this is him WALKING around, and everything is stopped for him, this is pretty much beyond red rush levels of speed because even he says a conversation takes hours to him, but that moment he literally had an existential crisis, read books, flew a kite, went around and THEN decided to fake his death, before Megamind even closed his mouth, he is FAR beyond Red Rush who was beyond Omni-man, since Omni-man needed to predict him to actually touch him.
6:50 the planets very clearly hadn't passed the event horizon at this point, so the escape velocity of the black whole would have been below the speed of light. It's pretty clear that the pods were only accelerating at this point and weren't travelling faster than light. We also don't know how long the journey to earth took, so we don't even know if the pods ever reached the speed of light. And even if they were traveling at the speed of light, their speed relative to eachother still would have been somewhere around 0.
1. Can you elaborate how they are "clearly" not in the event horizon 2. Megamind is able to perceive things outside of the space shuttle 3. They still went from one black hole to earth, which is really far away, in seconds
@@ultimazilla9814 1. Well there's the fact that we can see them. The event horizon is the point where light can no longer escape. You can't exactly see an object if its light can't reach you.. Then there's the fact that objects approaching the event horizon would appear frozen in time to an outsider, yet we see the planets moving. So not only have they not reached the event horizon, they're not even close. 2. Like I said, that was during what was most likely the acceleration phase 3. You'd have to be pretty dumb to assume they actually reached Earth in a matter of seconds instead of there being some sort of time skip. But even if we assumed that there was no time skip, the journey was only a couple seconds long from Megamind's perspective. From an outsider's perspective, it would have taken much longer. If Megamind was travelling at the speed of light, the journey would have seemed instantenous for him.
I agree he’s featless but at the same time I believe there’s enough in the movie and short to get a gauge on his ap, but yeah I agree with you. thx for the comment! Don’t forget to watch and sub to support the channel
Well again you have to think, Metro is doing his speed feat in a fairly relaxed manner. No hurry, no need to rush anything and certainly no adrenaline going through him whatsoever
Show me anything that has worked on metro man and ill listen to any argument. Until i see a known weakness im calling it like it is. Hes truly invulnerable.
Nah while I get people aren't really on it like that, I think planetary invincible isn't unrealistic just due to viltrum being able to produce creatures as powerful as viltrumites, y'know? Kinda like planet vegeta being waay more powerful than it's denizens
What I think people also don't realize with Metro man or simply don't put too much thought into is that not only was he moving at high speeds but also everything he interacted with didn't fall apart upon also being moved at that speed. He was able to move something like a chip that would of easily disintegrated upon being moved a millimetre at a fraction of Metro mans speed yet he was able to move it practically the length of his arm with it remaining completely intact. While the show isn't going to take things like that into account it still shows something that could be worth looking into.
Sounds like supermans superpower to project a field of some sorts onto whatever he's holding. Basically something the writers came up with to explain why he doesn't got straight through planes he catches or destroy things he flies at super speed with.
Omni man is nowhere near, seeing his speed is nothing comparable to markiplier's speed hes literally moving multiple times faster than the speed of light and his durabillity is able to tank the friction while hes moving also he can use his speed and durability as a strenght by using the newtons 2nd law of motion Force = Mass/Acceleration. MARKIPLIER SOLOS 🔥🔥🔥
there are people that say metro man wins with a large bargain because of one scene (the one where time stood still while he was depressed) and the fact that metro man was supposed to be like superman but with no weaknesses
I think using Hal as a comparison of his power could really help understand how powerful Metro Man really is It would be nice if we got to see more of Metro Man
The Death Ray breaks the one rule on laser feats that everyone respects by exploding on impact. Faster than light speeds to escape a black hole are only required past the event horizon, and I'm not even sure what confirms the location of Megamind's or Metro Man's planet. Megamind isn't dodging lasers. I mean, he is, but what he's doing requires him to react at the speed that Thighten moves his head and/or eyes, not the speed of the laser itself. Taking Megamind's statement about the Death Ray at face value has a big issue. Not only is the resulting explosion not Multi-Continental (At least visually), but in order for the laser to be that powerful it would need to absorb enough solar energy to leave the Earth in darkness for almost 70 years. You could argue that the satellite flew to the sun and back or any other way to shorten the process, but it would be an unsubstantiated claim.
Omniman almost died to a guy punching his chest at high speed. Metroman literally can do that with time frozen. Shouldn’t have expected anything more from an anime PFP with anime memes in his video
1. The rockets were being parallel to each other, that's like saying if you can percieve something in your own ship while going near LS you can percieve near LS. That's not a real perception feat, maybe if he saw the rocket and percieved his face while stationary this would work 2. The laser is clearly not actually multi continental lol, it doesn't even evaporate the island/entire area of the observatory. Megamind was hyping it up/hyperbole, obviously. There's no reason this is an AP issue either, obvious multi continental laser would destroy something of a similar tier. It's just a very powerful laser.
Chuck highkey missed with that video tbh Only because we never really see how much strength we see from Metro Man he tried to compare it to being Titan's strength but homie got like 0.0001% of Metro Man's power from a flake of dandruff, plus he's still human Metro Man is the full genetic code of whatever race he is, so who's to say homie doesn't rival Viltrumites, let alone turn them to cannon fodder
People don't notice, but Metroman is in the blast radius of the super weapon in order to conceal his body as he tosses the skeleton. HE IS IN THE BLAST RADIUS. If you don't know, the effects of an explosion are 3 fold. Firstly, what you will die from in a close range blast is the shockwave, it will rupture organs, break bones and cause internal bleeding. Second the actual first thing that will be noticed is the heat from the weapon, as even in slow time, this weapon is hitting with radiation heat condoction, as the molecules are overheated from light particles, and in Metroman's quick time, the weapon is already melting the dome before landinging. It takes 2000°F to do that at least and from what we see, the plasma Megamind used had recursive blasts, meaning the weapon Megamind used would've been hot enough that when a quick rush of cooler material entered it explodes again due to how hot the area is. Finally Shrapnel, due to the mountain exploding, it would send several chunks of molten rock, copper, and any other molten debris in the area, anything to be unfortunate enough to be hit by the debris is going to be punctured and instantly Cauterized if it's made of flesh. METROMAN IS IN THE BLAST RADIUS. From the scale of the explosion itself, it is already a city wide threat. The Shockwave alone is enough to cause people to become deaf, at the far edge of the city, causing significant damage due to the recursive blasts. The heat radiation close enough to the blast at its weakest would cause immediate heat stroke and searing of your outer flesh, and shrapnel is worst for them, as the recursive blasts would send several waves of molten shrapnel destroying Infrastructure, Transportation, Trade Lines. Even if we conclude that this is far out of the city, it would still damage and wreck havoc to surrounding areas, minor infrastructure damages thanks to shockwaves and shrapnel, and citizens would definitely notice a sharp spike in temperature. Metroman wasn't on the edges, he was IN IT and didn't even think about it as dangerous, he was delighted by the opportunity to use it to fake his death. Let me note this: All organic life would in fact die by the HEAT alone, dying near instantly. The shockwaves and shrapnel are more of your worry outside of the blasts, but being in them and ignoring heat, also instant death in both scenarios. People may be downplaying this because it's not super gritty and is a kid's cartoon, but that ignores the fact they aren't going to show the realistic Tragedy of what Megamind had just composed on MetroCity, because he's who we root for. I'd argue Metroman tanking even the blast radius of the weapon gives him a large city wide defensive strength, and we know that's nothing to him
I hated how Chuck down played Metro man's speed. Like, the dude literally went to go get food, fly a kite, read some books and all before a LASER could get even near him. If that isn't far above faster than light speed, than Idk what is.
@@mrduckmrduck2976 Super Speed is actually ridiculously overpowered. You know how Batman with prep time is OP? Imagine how much prep time a speedster has.
@@mrduckmrduck2976 Prep time is utterly broken. If you don't get why oh well. It's why Batman, a regular human, is so dangerous. Metroman is shown to be a strategic thinker, so NONE of that prep time is going to waste. Have you seen The Boys? Again, it's mostly regular humans going against super humans. How? Prep Time. Research. Things that Metroman would canonically do to win the fight.
@@williamspears1627 We forgeting the fact the omni is i belive thousands of years old has much more battle experience and the fact that metroman isnt that smart
i think it's funny how all the "metroman is the strongest character ever" discourse came from megamind producers simply wanting to have a scene where he walks around with time stopped anyway, metroman claps
Thought the Omniman debunk was fair as the vague statements of the "plaent eaters" were pretty dismissable as that could mean many things, but the Metroman segment felt a bit too much of a reach. The argument that the death laser truly is the full power of the sun is a bit of a bad faith assumption. Megamind says that, sure, but that is far from proof of that it's truly that powerful as he could just be acting dramatic as he often does. What I see people constantly ignoring in scaling Metroman is that the laser barely does any damage to the ground beneath the observatory when it hits it and also doesn't damage the ground whatsoever when it hits the robot, at least when you are trying to say its the full lower of the son hitting something. You can actually calculate the power of the laser by just looking at the explosion it causes and the damage it does to the ground. If we're taking that into account, considering that the area was extremely concentrated and the city is still standing after it hits, this laser doesn't even scale to nukes... The speed feat of metroman is no joke and truly the best thing he had going for him but i think this MAJORLY wanked how truly fast it was. Even suggesting that Megamind can comprehend things moving at faster than light speeds is just was too much of a reach. Who's to say the pods didnt slow down to conserve power after they escaped the black hole? In fact, if they were moving faster than light then how come those asteroids were moving past them so slowly in comparison? They would be smears on the screen if noticeable at all. That and Megamind's craft actually HITS them, if he was moving that fast when hitting an asteroid both it and him would be obliterated. Also, just saying Metroman is ludicrously strong just because nobody ever expected him to lose is too vague to confirm hes literally stronger than the sun. For one, with his speed almost nothing is a threat in the same sense as with speedsters. The flash also likely wouldnt have to worry about the laser because he can just move away in time but he almost definitely couldn't tank the hit.
I feel like metro man it’s just gonna keep getting punched by Omni man and nothings really gonna happen and he’s just gonna be standing there really confused so then he goes into super speed and then just speeds away
Metro Man moves and thinks in percents of the speed of light. He moves and thinks so fast that time almost stands still for him. I dont know how anyone could think that Omni Man could do anything against that.
Rad, I was honestly planning on doing a Metro Man video, still do, but yeah your speed meta for MM is definitely goated and something I never thought about it, I’ll be sure to shout out this vid whenever I cover MM
You have a habit of finding higher metas for things so I’m looking forward to whenever you post next, thx for giving my gif or a watch and know when you post I will be there no matter what 👀
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@@Goji-C it's all water under the fridge man dont sweat
What’s insane is that calculations can’t even be properly done for Metro man because he never had to try. You can measure his speed all you want but if you look at him he’s basically just walking and even in still motion time is stopped for him. The best calculations for him that are possible are only what we saw him do with the small effort he needed. I’d love to see what he’d actually be capable of if he gave 100%
True, but that just further drives home the point that Metro man stomps.
@@Adventist1997 exactly bruh
that goes for literally every fictional character
the phrase "they haven't shown their full power" can be attributed to every single character, including Omni Man.
Not to mention, it's literally not possible to calculate how much stronger they'd even be as it'd be headcanon and not supported or shown feats. Making them pointless.
Metro Man's speed is also heavily overplayed as people say he "stops time" or "lived x amount of time in y amount of very very small seconds" which are both not present, mentioned or even displayed in the movie. Metroman "stopping time" is literally just him moving so fast that the movement of everybody else seems slow, just like how everybody looks slow when you're on a moving train. Those characters are still moving, simply very slow from Metro Man's perspective of which the best time I found was "less than a single frame", or about a 30th of a second depending on the movie's framerate. At the VERY most, it is 6x the speed of light, which many, MANY characters in fiction trivialise.
Many, including Omni Man, who travelled at least 4.24 light years in a week, or over 200x the speed of light at a lowball. A highball reaching 3.4 billion x C
@@CottonArsonist I understand but Metro Man has had literally no effort needed in anything he’s done at all. Omni Man has bled which shows at least some level of a limit, the point I’m trying to make is that it’s nearly impossible to scale someone’s feats when they themselves hardly needed to display anything.
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Omniman HAS showed his full power and got stomped more than once because he wasn't strong, or fast enough. At least, in the comics... The show however, I guess you could say he hadn't. But than why let himself get beat to near death?
Metro man has proved to be so fast that time is at a standstill for him. Omni man can be chip damaged by speed as we saw in the first episode. Even if metro man isn’t physically strong enough, his speed puts him on a whole other level
That’s just a episode of the show, the comics easily has him exiting solar systems and even going to a different galaxy withn a specific amount of time (I forgot how long it was lol)
@@plzletmein3267it doesn’t matter how fast it takes you to get from point A to B when the other guy moves so fast that every thing is at a standstill
@@noobyskeletongamer3870 lmao if someone can travel millions of times the speed of light they can easily “stop time” with theyre speed too😂
@@noobyskeletongamer3870 If a person can travel faster than the speed of light, literally time would stand still for you while other people's perception is seeing you pretty much instantaneously teleport. Also need to point out Metroman is very much still moving from Point A to Point B. If Omni man can travel from the solar system to the virgo supercluster which is billions of lightyears away, and he travelled there in just a week which is MFTL+. He can definitely run as fast as metroman.
@EALS-ub9fk expect he hasn’t shown anything close to the flash
I feel like metro man could literally sit there experimenting on omniman to find a weakness for however long it takes without omniman even realizing anything's happening
Bud they are both around the same speed or Metro Man is slower
Omni man is 3 billion times the speed of light
@@bell5248source?
@@iwatommy9139 traveled 65 million light years in a week
@@bell5248 In space or on a planets surface? Theres no friction in space
If they’re of similar enough mass, then I think the vast difference in speed would make a punch from metro man much more impactful than Omni man, because speed directly affects impact force, not just how fast you can move (F=ma)
Yeah good point, metro man seems to have better control of his speed then omni man, and I personally think more times then not that would be Omni mans downfall, thx for commenting and watching the video g it means a lot consider dropping a sub to support the channel it would mean a lot fr
@WEEPINGWEAPON MEGAMING HAS A COMIC?
@WEEPINGWEAPONCOMICS???
And kinetic energy as KE = 1/2 mv^2 so being massively faster than someone your own mass and scaling your durability up to your striking strength at your max speed due to Newton's third law then Metro man might have a chance against some versions of Omni man
@@bluguy4149he means omniman
ppl tend to forget metro man speed feat didn't affect the mass around him, as if it does a lot fo ppl in metro city would have died, so he was either faster than the registration of mass or he has the ability to slow down certain thing like human object or planet and individually choose what to unslow like the door the fries the air the wire objects the books and so on
and again this mf isn't even trying, he is probably sneaking into megamind secret base on a hourly scale we dont know at this point it could very well be true
that makes him waaay more powerful than a mustache guy
@@хеджхогwell yeah I think metroman is stronger than Hitler
That's crazy
@@darthrevan454 proof?
😂 ok that's not how physics work, regardless of how fast something Is there is nothing like registering mass as long as an object that has mass is moving it will displace particles where ever it goes, it's going to be occupying a space. The faster the higher the force. The explanation is really simple, the writers are not physicists. They simply didn't think that much through
Normally I would be saying “metroman powers are played for comic relief and shouldn’t be taken seriously” but Metroman powers are so consistent and the movie makes it so clear that nothing is a treat to him.
I think is obvious that he is on another level.
Even if so I don't think the movie that is funny throughout needs comic relief
Who tf is giving Metro Man candy 😭
he was not even trying during the speed feat everyone talks about, he just walked around and read several books without much effort.
People forget one thing.
That Omni Man can't just start from 0 and go MFTL+² (this is an exageration) Speed in a second, at least in the start of the series, and yes, I think He was going, at least somewhat serious against the Guardians of The Globe.
Meanwhile MM simply chooses to "Guess I'm gonna go so fast that everyone else will be frozen, time to rethink my life"
It's like Flash levels of moving His molecules so fast He can just phase through matter. It's on that level of acceleration/burst of speed, and this matters a lot in a fight.
He also couldn't speed blitz a normal human with a teleporter. At least based on the first season of the show he has little to no speed perception.
he didn't wanted to kill ceccil, he was doubting at this moment@@daindreska8206
@@daindreska8206 This. And Red Rush is a confirmed 400+mph, below sound speed, so that makes it even worse. Omni-Man's speed is trash in fights. Only without friction in space is his travel speed any good.
@@TheStraightestWhitest So yeah, Omni man's power isn't a result of being able to go fast, it's just that he can increase his acceleration without end. That's nothing like what Metro Man is doing, and if Red Rush can hurt Omniman to the point of blood spatter, then Metro Man is turning Omniman into Blood Spatter with a flick of the wrist.
@@llanfairpwlgwyngyll7331 Precisely.
Omni Man had some decent trouble with Red Rush, so Metro Man being even faster than Rush and also punching decently hard would stack up to be pretty damaging to Omni Man. Metro Man could easily let off more than enough punches to mimic what Rush did to him in his final moments, if not completely cave in his chest cause he's punching at strengths well beyond with speeds well beyond
Omniman was fighting five other beings it's not like red rush simply squared up with omniman
@@rickojay7536 still, Red Rush spent his final moments raining hell on Omniman, to the point that he coughed blood. If Metroman got caught like Rush did, his punches would do even worse damage and he'd be punching at ten thousand times the speed, plus he's more durable so his head won't get popped so easily
@@eg_manifest510 red rush didn't make omniman cough blood war woman and immortal did. Jeez what where you watching?🤦
@@rickojay7536 bro I literally rewatched the scene to double check before even making that comment. Immortal and War Woman hadn't even landed a hit when he killed Rush and it literally shows him begin coughing blood and bleeding out the nose while Rush is punching him right in the chest, what are YOU watching?? I hope that facepalm hurt cause you need to slap some sense into yourself bro
@@eg_manifest510 omniman only coughed blood when everyone else was dead, all red rush did was make his skin a little red and that's not from the impact it's from the high speed friction which was backed by darkblood later
Omni man: *destroys a metro station
Metroman: that was the last drop
I'm surprised no one mentions that Metroman has laser eyes.
I also thought it was very weird to scale metroman to %of light, being that he not only dodged a light beam, but had a full existencial crisis, is implied to have read entire books, it feels like he thought about it for 'days' and then came back... and the laser still hadn't reached the observatory...
like, how is he SLOWER than light, and yet moves so fast lights seems to be paused in time for him!?!
'Cuz the beam likely isn't even moving at light speed (seeing how we can see actual sun rays moving during Metro Man's crisis and they're leagues upon leagues faster than Megamind's beam). There's nothing that implies it's moving at light speed, even if you want to time how quickly it reaches Earth (which isn't ideal seeing how we don't know exactly where the satellite is, but, there have been a bunch of calculations on VSWiki which issue all possible locations and thus time scaling, and none of them are still light speed).
@@dirtyfighters7751
No way you just used VS battle wiki💀💀💀
Look I don't necessarily think he's lightspeed either but come up with a better source than that
@@dirtyfighters7751 it has to be moving lightspeed. it's light. light does not move slower than light.
@@nicolewhite3157 It’s the only source I could find, albeit it’s certainly not reliable.
@@Very_Silly_Individual Again, where’s the actual proof it’s a beam of light? It’s a satellite firing concentrated sun fire from the sun and it legit moves slower than the literal light rays we see in Metro Man’s montage thing, meaning it’s most certainly not an actual beam of light nor is it firing sun fire at light speed.
I love how so many people dig deep into real physics to try and debunk Metroman's speed feat and say he's slower than light, yet when Omni-man is travelling MFTL we can still _see_ him. So if Metroman is sub-light speed due to IRL physics, then Omni-man is also sub-light speed because light still bounces off of him while he's travelling through space and allows us to still perceive him.
It's a mess either way.
Well one of them was taking out a planet and managed to travel across the universe.
The other one had an existential crisis in a single planet in 0.0001 second.
@poot "The other one had an existential crisis in a single planet in 0.0001 second."
The other one spent weeks or months atleast reading a couple books, walking around the city, sitting around flying kites, pondering his life and megamind's, until his final decision to retire for ONE frame (12ms) in real time. This is borne out by seeing that light covers a distance of 3,500 km in that time, perfectly fitting a satellite in LEO (~2000km) charging and firing. Now compress this lowball of 1 month for 12ms to get a ratio of 30*24*60*60s / 12/1000s = 216,000,000, multiplying with NORMAL WALKING speed of 6km/hr = 3.6 * 10^8, already faster than light speed. Actually, he's WAYYY faster, seeing that sitting in one spot for hours wasn't enough for a single beam of light to reflect off him, and then travel to be caught in anyone's eyes.
This comment is making me think that you think opm beats goku
bc the audience can see the characters moving their not FTL? thats a take
The human reaction time is about 250 milliseconds. Metroman spent basically half a day within those 250 milliseconds, and he wasn't even starting to exert himself, imagine how fast he could go if he did. It does not matter how strong he is, he is so insanely fast that even if he had normal strength he could beat omniman easily, it would just take a while from his perspective. That being said, he can lift entire skyscrapers without breaking a sweat. He would turn Omniman into a fine mist without struggle.
Didn't Metroman in the movie say that he thought about their charade for "days"? Could that imply that Metroman could've spent more than half a day within those 250 milliseconds?
@Quazacherry08 Well if that's the case then he's multiple times stronger than I thought.
That's at the bare minimum some sub-relativistic speed, but Omni-Man is easily much faster. Easily.
@sary7154 Omniman isn't even that fast lol, he's absolutely not even close to the speed of light. Idk if we watched the same series if you think he is
@@xitcix8360 During his mid-life crisis scene, he moved about 459 times faster than light. Now, sure, that's impressive, and considering Tighten has his DNA set and could lift skyscrapers with ease, Metroman is pretty damn strong. But the thing is, Omni-Man has far, far more impressive feats that would, if we go by feats, would make this matchup very far from close in Omni's favor.
He's moved across entire galaxies in under a day and the guy can rip planets in half if he felt like it. Metroman never really had to try or really put it effort, so to me this feels more like another Omni-Man vs Homelander. It'd be much closer than that, but even still, 459x faster than light? Really? Omni-Man can do that as a light jog, considering his galaxy traversal feats land him somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8 BILLION times the speed of light.
The sizes of the galaxies aren't disclosed, but we can assume they are 100,000 light years in width. Nolan traveled across most of the Milky Way which we can set as about 74,000 light years (the whole thing is 105,700 light years) in a day or two at most. Remember, he was in Thraxa in a few days, a week at most. To travel 74,000 light years in a day, he'd have to be moving at something like 6.13282392e21 kilometers per hour, which by the way is already hundreds of millions of the times the speed of light.
And then we have to factor in the fact that we're quite far from other galaxies, something like 100,000 light years. He'd have to move at 8.28759989e21 km/h to reach yet another galaxy in a day. Assuming it is 100,000 light years in diameter, to fully cross it he needs to move at the same speed.
So we double this and get 1.65751998e22 km/hr. In short, Omni-Man can move billions of times faster than light. Metro Man wouldn't know what hit him. I know this math might be bullshit but hey, I'm driving a point here so at least let me cook (don't have to eat cause I'm a terrible chef). He's hundreds of times faster than light but Nolan is millions of times faster, easily.
Point is, Metro Man IS fast and very strong, but simply put his feats just aren't anywhere nearly as close to Nolan's. I get that people meme him to death arguably more than Metal Gear but Christ he's not THAT strong going off mere feats.
FURTHERMORE, after we received a LOVELY scene where he had his own existential crisis, probably blanking out and thinking about what Mark said to him after he almost beat his ass to death, Black Holes have a gravitational pull of 1.2e44 newtons, and for Omni-Man to not only stay steadily afloat near one, but to actually move away from one, he must have been going at a top speed of 400 DECILLION times lightspeed.
So the first "It's not even a contest" thing is very much correct, just in the opposite direction. Red Rush actually disabled or at least nullified Omni-Man's ridiculously powerful regeneration, which is why he struggled. However, he is damn well aware he's weak in that area to a Speedster Barrage, but being honest if Omni-Man can move that fast he can probably ram through the biggest stars with no problems, dude's probably gonna end up throwing hands with Superman if we scale him to that level somehow, some way, because the show builds the man different.
Not to mention, Omni-Man punched through a planet specifically capable of housing billions of continent-busting superpowered genocidal warmongers whose thirst for blood is unquenchable. Sure, he had a lot of help getting it right for busting open, but being 1/3 of the power to actually break a planet isn't something to scoff about. He's moon level without question, but after what I've said I'm starting to think he can give Flash, a guy that can manipulate the spacetime continuum, a damn good run for his money.
Anyhow, I've binged the series extensively and talked it over with some of my friends, one of whom has an unholy level of Invincible comics and stuff plastered in her room, like I thought I was glazing Nolan but damn this girl is nuts. Digression aside, she and I stated a solid point: A planet's core is billions of degrees, and Nolan being able to withstand a destablizing one means he's a real tough cookie.
Also, Mark was able to withstand the surface of the sun for quite some time, and still lived. At that point Omni-Man was still physically much stronger. So, him being able to tank city-sized lightsaber-hot projectiles to the face doesn't sound unreasonable, but my question is, how strong was Megamind's Death Ray? We can't take him at his word, as he's always prone to boasting. We know for a fact it's at least building level and pretty hot, but... At what level and temperature is that laser?
Answer: Building level. It destroyed a giant robot and an observatory, but it didn't do much more damage in either instance.
So in short: Do some research goddamn it.
My perspective is tv show Omni-Man gets beaten by Metro Man in a straight up fight. Red Rush is moving vastly slower than Metro Man and still did damage over repeated punches while landing 3 punches before Omni-Man caught his fist. Nolan was fighting to kill them all in a sneak attack. If he tried to kill Metro Man like he tried with the Immortal he might land the blow, but he likely would not kill him. Metro Man then goes super speed and counter attacks if he survives the initial punch. Metro Man then simply beats Omni-Man until he bleeds like War Woman and Immortal did and kills him. Also Metro Man can fly at those same speeds and move objects without disturbing the air around him. He might just grab Nolan and throw him around. Comic Nolan? That's more likely to go in Omni-Man's favor. As it's a comic we can't see the speed on screen, but the dialogue implies at least equal speed plus Nolan has experience fighting equal opponents thus Nolan wins by skill and experience matched with equal or greater power level.
Omni man could NOT land a sneak attack on Metro Man
Actually, scaling Metroman's strength to the energy the sun produces in light would be wrong.
The solar panels absorbing the sun's light obviously didn't absorb the full surface area of the sun's light, only a small portion like real world solar panels do. You wouldn't be able to prove it absorbed the amount the sun outputs in total per second.
Also, nice. My meteor calc for Metroman is in this video 😮
Yeah but megamind says that it’s the full power of the sun and that it’s concentrated , so the small portion being absorbed would scale to the full thing because it’s concentrated, or ie compacted
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@@Goji-C Ok, but the amount of energy the sun produces per second isn't really the same as the amount the sun would produce in its lifetime, which I would assume is the "full consecrated power". Megamind was incredibly vague when he said that so there isn't really a way to prove how potent the beam was outside of just calculating the destruction it caused.
Also also, let me quantify the Metroman speed feat for you while using Megamind having light speed reaction. Light Speed reaction is 3.33 nanoseconds, so that's the timeframe Metroman moved in. We don't have a way to quantify how much of a distance Metroman travelled, but we can assume he probably travelled the average distance a city go'er would walk in a day, which is around 5 miles. So to travel 5 miles in 3.33 nanoseconds, he would be moving at 8,060.35 times faster than light. Which still is much slower than the travel speed feats Chuck gave for Nolan, which were in the hundreds of millions to billions of times faster than light.
@@Goji-CBasically, to shorten what I said so this wouldn't come off as me shotgunning.
How do you know that when he says "the full consecrated power of the sun", he means the amount of energy the sun outputs with light in a second?
Tightens powers were from a strand of metro man’s hair, so that’s like what 0.1% of metro man’s powers and he could still throw skyscrapers almost a mile far
not even, it was dandruff from MM's hair
I've seen this argument multiple times. Where does this nonsense come from about percent of powers and hair or dandruff?
@@katanyafleet the movie, it comes from the movie. Tighten has a ridiculously small portion of metroman's power, which he recieved directly from megamind with his comically large syringe thing. Megamind used a speck of dandruff he got from metroman to do this. Making tightens honestly very good feats a speck of dandruff in comparison to metroman.
@@nuclearpaste It did come from dandruff, but Megamind makes it clear that it is the DNA which he is searching for because it has the essence of Metro Man's power. Hal is weaker because he isn't experienced, isn't fully alien, and hasn't had the powers very long.
I saw the Reddit post about Metro Man's scale based off of his power being evenly distributed by mass, but that is directly refuted by the movie. Tighten is also shown to be weaker than Metro Man only where Tighten does not use Metro Man's full speed power, which he may simply not have discovered in his short time with the power set. That specific power is also Metro Man's greatest feat.
i think its 0.003% of MM's power
Got one issue. I might not agree with Chuck, but I also think the Sun laser scaling is questionable. Megamind saying "The full, concentrated power of the Sun!" could easily be an exaggeration, given how prone he is to boasting. It's powered by the sun, yes, and it is concentrated... but to what degree?
Metro Man is clearly far, far above building level, but we have no clue how far.
Nice feedback tbf and seeing as how he said it’s the full concentrated power of the sun it could be star lvl but I have a generous interpretation saying that, the laser only scales to be Solar output the sun emits per second so multi continental, and I don’t see megamind exaggerating in that context at least because it would more or less mean megamind is lying about his tech which I don’t see him doing, also thank you for the comment, I enjoyed reading it and if you liked the video SUB PLS RAHHHHH
The same guy who fought the same guy for years and makes his stuff literally literal. He kinda makes them flat out what they are based on and is able to reanimate objects at a young ass age.
Him gassing up his own invention is him essentially telling how fucking Powerful that shit is.
even then omniman got a nosebleed from a satellite strike
@@Goji-C Viltrumites have taken solar flares before though
@@noobly_nuggets6186 That's show only
My answer to that is pretty simple: Metro Man was literally written to be invincible, he is indestructable, can basically stop time itself and there seems to be no upper limit to his strength, meanwhile Omni Man is killed in the comics and is even weaker in the show.
Uh yeah, using this as an argument is really dumb. Kind of the Saitama vs Goku argument. Just because Omni Man gets killed and Metro Man is written to be "indestructible" doesn't mean one is automatically better than the other. One has to deal with bloodthirsty conquerors that are around his level of power and the other has to deal with a goofy villain that's not really a villain at heart, that's clearly way weaker than he is. You're comparing Apples to Oranges.
@@darryltorres7302but can they rhyme orange with banana ?
Gamer, Metro Man is from a movie made for kids who haven't even hit grade school, Omni-Man hails from a series quite literally built different. Omni-Man has to throw hands with basically everyone he comes across at some point, and the dude even stalemated a chick that bench presses universes while also fighting a guy that can play kickball with stars.
Omni man got his chest busted by a fast dude with no super strength so he would killed by someone that’s multitudes faster and stronger.
@@rogers4760 Gamer held back. He wanted to sow discord, confusion, and strife among his faux-allies to distract them, to make them more easy to fool.
Bigger question is why he would do all that when he can just conquer Earth in a few months tops. To that I just don't know. Meanwhile Metro Man is next to featless compared to Omni-Man.
Also, Red Rush's bones were literally shattered trying to hurt the guy. It wasn't the strength of the attacks, it was their speed and thus frequency of said attacks. Water against a giant cliff won't do much in one go but over time it erodes. That's literally how Earth is itself today.
I actually did look it up and apparently what it would take to destroy all living things on Earth would be boiling all the oceans, and the exact amount of energy given was 5.6 x 10^26 joules- given as multi-continental. So I do think that Chuck was stretching to say that life-wiping would mean planetary, something at a far larger energy output.
I appreciate you taking the respectful stance here.
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@@Goji-C You were honestly too fair to Omni-Man. His travel speed was measured without friction in space after a week of accelerating. His combat speed meanwhile was too slow for Red Rush (mach 3), and even to catch CECIL. An old man being monitored and manually teleported by humans with normal human perception.
Omni-Man's combat speed is barely superhuman. It's literally within human bounds. A well trained boxer could probably dodge him a few times before getting tagged and splattered. This means that even IF Omni-Man's perception is fast enough for Metroman (which based on the fact that he can perceive things while moving FTL in space isn't unfeasible), it wouldn't matter since he can't make himself accelerate fast enough to even get within the same stratosphere of combat speed as him since he cannot even surpass mach 3 in combat. Hell, he's never shown breaking the sound barrier in a fight, mach 1.
Metroman curbs him easily. Not even a contest.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Hmmm did you know that Invincible had beat Spawn once? And Omniman is way stronger than Invincible, Spawn was shown to transcend time and space making him immeasurable which is faster than infinite speed
@@Collofkidseditz You're using using indirect powerscaling for omniman by using feats of a character that did not play a part in a fight that a different character won. Omni man is still slow as shit and Metroman still wins this battle no question.
What really bugs me is comparing travel speed to combat speed.
I think writers have to give these characters FTL capabilities because a 500 year time skip anytime they went anywhere would make for an awful show or comic. Idk if they're meant to just be build speed for weeks in space or have some kind hyperspace travel. But they never use that speed in fights, which is very apparent with omniman. He struggles with red rush's speed in a life or death fight and then travels to a few different star systems within a few months ofscreen. That is very different from metroman experiencing what looks like days before a laser can reach earth from orbit.
If vague off-screen travel speed is remotely comparable to everyday combat speed, g1 starscream fucking blitzes both of them. Because he traveled from a planet that was maybe accidentally drawn to be outside of the galaxy to earth in under a minute.
The problem is that most people make two VERY incorrect assumptions about speed. The first terrible assumption is that a character will always have speed perception to match their top speed, which definitely should not be done as they are technically two different powers. The second assumption is that any character should take little to no time to reach their top speed, this is assumed because regular humans don't take long to reach top speed but space travel is different and some characters might have to spend hours or day or even longer to reach their top speeds depending on how their powers work.
Problem is that the power scaling community tries to hide heavy bias with calculations
Calculations are usually just used to stack numbers in favor of one character
Not bad, not bad at all bro. I thought this debunk was going to suck, but you actually brought up good scaling I didn’t think of for metro.
Great video! While I understand the reasonings, I personally don't feel like the laser is a definitive way to put Metro Man at multi continental. While Megamind did claim it contained all the power of the sun, he isn't shy of theatrics so it is possible to interpret it that way. Also, considering the more consistent feats of Omni Man's strength, I would still give it to him. Besides that, this was a fun video.
The biggest disadvantage omni man has is his human reaction time he can move and do stuff at high speeds but that's a lesser extent to his top speed at the same time he seems to be more human when it comes to reacting to attacks it took him a while to beat the guardians for that reason.
Agreed. But I would rather base this off of Nolan, the original one of the comics. In the comics, the gaurdians didn't even touch him, I'm talking no diff victory for omniman. Not totally sure why they changed that for the show.
@foxgeist3129 because the guy who wrote the comics said that he wants to fix what he considers mistakes in the show
@@OhSeeBarber where can I find that? I've never heard that and thought I was pretty tuned in.
@foxgeist3129 tbh i dont know ive just heard a bunch of people say it, probably an interview or smth
@@OhSeeBarber well I've heard metromans supposed to be a caricature of superman, so I could say this is just omniman vs superman. But I can't prove the writers said that so it's hearsay to me. But if he is supposed to be a superman copy, then superman at his prime is punching through planets and eradicating it lol.
I mean considering metroman is a spoof of superman… with no known weaknesses and that high of moving speeds… i dont see how omni man could win
Omni-Man can move 3 billion times the speed of light. You also need to look at season 2 when he travels about 65 million lightyears in 7 days, with stops to just contemplate his existence. Also, in episode 1 and episode 8, he can move so fast that everyone around him slows down so much to the point that you can barely see them moving.
The reason he said it's debatable whether the beam was lightspeed or not, was because it's debatale whether it was even a beam of just pure light to begin with. It seemed to be more of a beam of the HEAT of the sun instead, due to it's total radius and it's shade, size and appearance. It's also debatable, because metro man was caught inbetween a camera frame, had a shadow and was blue shifting, which all point to him being high releativistic, as for one, he was caught in a camera frame, so even if we say he lived out an entire day in his view, that would still be only relativistic. For two, he had a shadow, which only happeds when light hits you, and then your body blocks the light from hitting the spot your shadow is. So if he was light speed, that wouldn't happen. And for three, he was litterally blueshifting during that feat, which is something that happens when a object is moving at high relativistic speed, more specifically 75-99% the speed of light. Other than that,
Other than that, you're scaling for strength and durability is pretty good, if not actually perfect.
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Yeah that’s wrong because for one. It’s literally stated to be a beam powered by the sun. And sun rays move at lightspeed. But if you don’t want to take a literal super geniuses word for it. The beam takes approximately 2 seconds in real time for it to reach earth and hit the dome which is well over the speed of light. It would take you 8 minutes to reach the sun at the speed of light. so yeah there’s that
@@wallywest5186 Yeah, because a sun *ray* is a literal beam of *light*. It's never explicitly stated what the beam really contains, though if we assume it was just sun rays, it would likely have more of a vaporizing effect than an... explosion. We can the reason it took only two seconds to be well... it wasn't from the sun itself. It was a literal death beam, which was just bit closer than the moon. The sun is... just "a bit further" than that (joking on how big the the understatement is). The death ray seems like it would be a similar distance to the moon, though a bit closer by about 50,000 miles, so it makes sense that it instead takes only two seconds, as realistically it would take similar time to reach for light (assuming it isn't just a heat beam powered by the sun) to reach the earch, if it came from a similar distance.
@@TheEnigma7121 Any beam is light, it would not be visible if it was not. We see him move faster than the beam in the movie, and he isn’t even rushing 😂
@@evanboeckler9610 Technically no, as a beam is either light, or a light *source*. The beam in the movie seemed more like the latter option, due to the look of it. Even if we do assume that it is a light beam, it is still his second to only speed feat, as you *could* count it is separate from his soul searching scene, which is relativistic at best. So that would mean that his best speeds would be if he tried, probable lightspeed, to maybe just above that with a bit of wank.
I see a lot of people saying “travel speed doesn’t equal combat speed” in response to Omni man’s speed scaling. Even though it’s stated in an invicible guide book that Allen, someone who Omni man has beaten before, is able to react at a similar speed to how fast he flies. Which is impressive when you remember that he casually crosses multi galactic distances in a matter of weeks.
Hold up I never even thought about that shit with metro man you just opened my eyes homie
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Bro and to think metrochad was walking smh if he was going full speed and using a rough estimate from my mind before I watch the video if titan easy lifted the broken building and he is untrained and hasn’t trained his strength like metroman has probably done then metro man at least his strength is city level and that with his speed Omni man gets clapped in every category and way
thank you for making this.
i commented on that video that i agreed with omni man but he downplayed metroman. he read 2 books during the time that time was frozen. He stopped time for anywhere between a couple hours to potentially days. Depends on how fast his mind processes. to be honest if you count the sun beam as an actual laser its almost implied he can indefintely stop time if the laser can be controlled at the speed he wants. When he enters to lookout again you can see everything slowly start moving. Seems like its implied its all completely under his control becuase he did this at what looked like 1% effort for speed. Not to mention titan lifted potentially literally hundreds of millions to billions of pounds ( a blue whale is about 300,000 pounds and that building was a lot of blue whales in steel and concrete) and we all know metro man is incredibly stronger. and titan fucking threw that thing with minimal effort lmao. I honestly think metro man even wins. Hes much faster both are mftl but we havent seen omni man stop time. and i personally think omni man is dwarfed in power to an absolute extreme. Idk but i think Nolan is struggling with that building a little more than metro man would. What i havent seen that plays a very huge part is metro mans durability. He hasnt fought someone like Nolan so its really hard to say. but tbh metro man could stop time on nolan. His speed feat was done instantly in a breeze, he moseyed off lmao. Omni mans fastest is a built up speed. They (viltrumites) dont normally just mftl lmao. Nolan did on his flight back to his original galaxy in 2 weeks i think it was. Dont quote me.
Metroman was stated to be invunerable
It’s not even close. Metro Man wins. Yet here’s this 15 minute video with a png telling us otherwise.
the argument about Megamind being able to perceive faster than light movement as a baby on his spacecrib is definitely not what i was expecting to be my biggest takeaway from this
That isn’t really how light speed and relativity work though. Since they are going the same speed and in the same direction, relatively speaking, they aren’t moving relative to each other. Still, metro man solos, no diff
The problem here is we have no scale for metromans actual strength. The laser would not be a feat of strength but durability. We know he can take hits but can he throw emough
Well, we know titan was made with metromans dandruff(he didn't become whatever metromans race was) and titan was picking up skyscrapers leisurely. So I'm guessing he's pretty f*cking strong 😂 but it's hard to measure his real strength for sure. I remember on the DVD commentary something about how metromans supposed to be a 1 for 1 rip off of superman and other heroes like him, so I'm just going to assume this dude can punch through the planet if he tried lol.
Since the director literally said he's a 1-1 ripoff of Superman Prime but without the weakness, this means he could punch a universe out of existence.
Well you need durability if you want to hit anything with the force you're using. Let's say that I tackled you at mach 1 and didn't have the durability to withstand the after effect of tackling you, both of us would be a red mist because neither of us would be able to take the impact of moving at mach 1 into each other. So the laser may not be a feat of strength, but it would be a standard that can be used to say that MM can maybe hit this hard and be unaffected by hitting that hard. Of course, we do not have a maximum durability feat either for MM, so it's possible for MM to take even stronger hits than the doom ray feat and dish out those hits without hurting himself
If Without Trying Metro Man Was Able to Move Fast Enough to Stop Time Nolan isn’t Ready for Death Battle Against Metro Man 💀
You forgot about Omni man speed
3:42 i would scale omniman to plantery or large plantery. Going off the fact infinity ray is stronger then a weapon that’s capable of destroying a planet which clearly was used as an example it that the viltrumites wouldn’t be affected by it. The infinity ray outscales that weapon and was fired at viltrumite’s planet core which wasn’t enough to destroy it
I think Metro man would win because of his durability. Viltrumites burn themselfs if they get near the surface of the sun but metro man can tank the concetrated power of the sun
8:54 bruh at this part i low key got an ad that started with "You did it! You got a spot on Main Street."
Crazy how much people actually put serious thought into this hypothetical fight between two animated superheroes
it's actually entertaining 😂
In the movie, metroman was casually flying in the blast of the explosion form the sun beam, and the sun is a star.
so does that mean metro man can tank star level attacks?
I think it’s more likely he used his speed to dodge it and that’s what I personally thought was was happening, but even if he tanked it like I said I think it’s more likely full power of the sun means the energy it’s able to output per second which is multi continental
@@Goji-C alright, thanks for clearing that up.
If it had the literal concentrated power of the sun it's not a building that would have been destroyed it's the whole city at the very least or the planet at the most
The beam didn't hit him though so he wasn't flying in the explosion .he avoided him
I feel like this even undercuts Metroman, he didn't just have all that time and blitz megamind before the deathray hit, it was in less than a frame of the movie which I believe is 60 fps but we'll say 30, he didn't even fully disappear in 1/30th of a second then, he traveled the city, got food, had time to experience a midlife crisis, and learn to fake his own death. In less than 1/30th of a second, lets even say it is a small city and he didn't go far, going 1 block in that time would cause a shockwave so powerful it would probably level half the city anyways, which he still did all this leisurely and of his own volition, no adrenaline or anything. Plus, he easily withstood his own speed against the air resistance, which doesn't sound like much but it means wonders for his durability. All from less than 1/30th of a second.
I don't think you can scale the death ray to the output of the sun just because Megamind said so. It hit the ground without metroman in the way and clearly didn't destroy multiple continents, you also can't argue that it releases the energy to destroy multiple continents but doesn't create an Explosion that big because then it would release that energy into the atmosphere which would be noticeable on earth.
I didn’t mention it in the video but I didn’t think I needed to but basically since the power was concentrated that means it was put into one straight beam, + ap of an attack in fiction doesn’t scale to the area of effect or destructive capacity, also thx for the comment and in glad you watched the video drop a sub to support the channel
Literally Dragon Ball and One Punch man does that "the power to destroy worlds/universe" but the Planet barely has a scratch
@@Goji-Cdidn't he escape before it him though
@@CanineLupus0114 One Punch man don't do this
@@сесьсясьyes it doey how many continet and sky spliting punches has saitama thrown and the planet is still in one piece the only time we have seen the planet acctually suffer some dmg was when psychos cut its top off
Why would Metro Man be even close to the idea of losing, yeah maybe Omniman is far experienced but we learned that Tighten has super hearing and Metroman is incredibly fast and Metroman's powers are far superior to Tighten, the moment Omniman even clutched his fist to come at MetroMan he would definitely hear every inch of Omniman'e costume expand and his blood pressure rise just from the moment Omniman thought of tryna kill Metro Man, it's not even close. The only weakness I can think Metroman has is he needed a spaceship when he came at Earth which means he needs oxygen but goodluck tryna brute force Metroman into going to space when you can't even catch him.
Hearing is almost irrelevant in this regard. The speed of sound is merely ~350 m/s, while both Omni-Man and Metro Man can move at lightspeed.
@@greyish7212 i feel like you're not getting into fantasy bullshit. If you watch the movie in Megamind, you know they displayed some physically impossible feats and that includes hearing. Idk how it works for them and i don't really care cuz that's how they present it. Now if you're gonna debate about fantasy bullshit at least try and do some research.
bro no one in the megamind verse have powers except him quicksilver in avengers paused nearly everyone in his perspective and he wasn't even running at full top speed so even though we are shown how fast he is effortlessly how would that scale to omniman who battles faster than light beings for thousands of years and remember homelander is the strongest in his verse and yet if you drop him in marvel he he's quite weak
@@grandmastersubzero1358yeah that would be true, unless you watched the video where you see metro man dodge a beam of light effortlessly and whilst it was still coming down rethink his whole life
@@zenthossohtnez8331 ok but that still doesn't mean anything thought considering almost every single powerhouse heroes can statue light beam so he still could be a snail to characters that has not only slow down light beam but got into fights with other faster than light being metro man never even been in a fight in his life
I feel like the best evidence Metro Man would survive the laser is that the cells on his cape weren't destroyed by it when it hit and the DNA was still salvageable.
saying that mega mind has massively FTL reaction speed and it’s consistent because he dodged an eye laser is absolute madness💀
Metro man likely wins the overall fight on speed alone but yeah I kinda saw where the argument of Titan>Doom laser vaguely equal to or less than the Death Robot>theoretical Megaman from Megaminds perspective>Real Megamind with the math from how much he’d been holding back against Megamind if we take his speed % as a overall hold back then multiply his power by that much as well and holy shit that’s comparable to if not above Omniman’s feats
Metro man is shockingly OP. People don’t realize how godlike he is.
Markiplier has always been the most powerful hero
6:57 Is such an insanely good observation that nobody else has ever made, holy shit!
Another proof that metroman scales to the laser is that in the scene where he pulls out a skeleton with his cape he flies *OUT OF THE EXPLOSION*
Video 12 of asking for Gojichrinic to powerscale the entire Godzilla 1998 universe (Godzilla 1996 included, the script should be there online)
Omni Man is at very least planet level to solar system level at very most, Space Racer gun used to weaken Viltrum core was stated to casually destroy planets and stars in almost an instant, and Space Racer upgraded his gun to be even more powerful for that battle, yet it only managed to temporarily attenuate Viltrum before it charged off and it started to stabilize again, which means that this planet was so dense but sitll Viltrumite trio managed to blown it up and came out unscarred.
The outro with the sonic advanced option menu theme dough 🔥🔥
Eh don't know about the megamind reaction speed part. Didn't he get blitzed by a bunch of dodgeballs thrown by pre-schoolers?
He dodgers lasers and can fight on part with titan in his robot so that would kinda just be an outlier imo plus it was more of a comedy thing
@@Goji-C fair enough
@@Goji-C Megamind didn't dodge the laser being fired at Lightspeed he dodged the laser being turned his direction at a conceivable speed, looking at the scene he also started to jump before the laser was fired so there was prediction involved.
@@lei302 First bit is literally not a feat debunk and it's with Lightspeed and the second is bit btw is that he looks at the direction,saw it and jumped before it could react to him
@@asiopro6384 How is it not? The laser wasn't moved towards megamind at light speed, so he doesn't need Lightspeed reflexes to dodge it.
I can't find a reason to assume the laser was turned towards him anywhere near the speed of light
We all know the fight is over when curious gorge pulls up, and gets a little too curious
In theory you should be able to perceive things moving in light speed given you yourself is moving at light speed and your trajectory is the same.
Honestly this was a pretty good video. Props to you Goji
IMO, since Omni-Man is a high-tier in the verse, I'd say he's Moon level with a Highball
Also titan/tighten was made with a single piece of dandruff from metroman, so metro man is like, A LOT A LOT stronger
This video was good until the point where you argued for Megamind to have ftl reaction speed. Ffs all he did was hop over an already fired beam.
“Metro Man solos no diff” is what an expert would say
My take on it is, Metro Man wins, no diff. When megamind says the full concentrated power of the sun, I assume that just means the beam has the same heat as the sun, which metro man easily survives, not even sweating as the beam is right on top of him. On the other hand, we know from the comics that stars can easily kill even the strongest viltrumites.
Then there’s speed. Metro man goes from standing in a room to relativistic speeds instantly and while omni-man can reach those speeds as in the comics, it’s shown that it takes a long period of acceleration to reach those speeds.
So in terms of durability and speed, metro man takes the win.
As for strength, it’s hard to say since we never really see metro man fight, however based on titan’s strength, pretty easily tossing a skyscraper, we can say metro man is at least that powerful and likely actually much stronger than that given titan showed nowhere near the speed metro man showed so titan probably only got a small portion of his powers. As for omni man, the strongest viltrumites could probably destroy a small planet, like conquest and thragg so I would put omni man close to their level of strength, so I would say it’s either a tie or win for omni man in terms of strength.
Overall, easy win for metro man since omni man probably can’t even get a hit in and even if he did, it may not do much damage given metro man’s durability. Metro man could probably just fly omni man into the sun and win like that.
It's also worth noting, the creators directly stated that none of Megamind's inventions are capable of harming Metroman, which makes the strength of the laser a massive durability feat for metroman. Id need to find the video where the "full concentrates power of the sun" (energy produced by the sun in a certain amount of time, confined to a single point) was calced because the conclusion of that put Metroman's durability at or above viltrumites. It's wild stuff
So Metro man can wins?
Metroman is city level and featless, Omniman is planetary
Hell nah mf is at least moon level 💀
@doctorstrange3740 Dude, are you talking about Metroman or omniman?
If you're talking about Omniman, that's straight-up downplay. If you're talking about Metroman, where tf did you get Moon level scaling from?
@@permquestor218 Alr first of all metroman is far beyond city level due to statements of megamind having weapons/device that could destroy the planet and metro man should be above that since the first part of the movie is literally about how megamind just keep failing to defeat him second what makes you think that omniman is planetary level
@doctorstrange3740 Omniman literally destroyed a planet in the 2nd episode of invincible. Even if you view the feat more as a planet wiper than a planet buster, it's still more impressive than anything metroman has shown,metroman is featless, in the comics (If I remember correctly) Metroman not only fly through a planets core,but he destroyed it too,probably not planetary, but still better than anything metroman has shown
I don't remember it ever being stated megamind can destroy the moon, even then I highly doubt metroman scales to that explosion
@@permquestor218 my guy he didn’t destroy a planet what bro did ep2 is that he only wipe the surface of the planet and that feat only puts him at multi-continental and it’s not like he did it in one day omniman could have spent weeks or months in the flaxan dimension due how times work in that dimension and how his facial hair has grown significantly
Did you ever stop to think that at the time that Megamind saw baby Metroman in the spaceship that they weren't traveling faster than light yet?
Bruuuh
And they call me clueless lmao
I disagree actually , The laser didn't destroy a continent , nor anything close to it , it litterally only destroyed a hill .
Thats not proof that its multi continental , especially since it didn't destroy continents TWICE , thats a highball
I don’t agree that it’s Continental either… but your logic is flawed. As a scaler there is a different between AP and DC. Attack Potency and Destructive Capabilities/Capacity. Just because it didn’t destroy a continent doesn’t mean it’s doesn’t have the same potency output to destroy one. Just how omni man can blow up the moon via calcs but doesn’t destroy it with each attack. Or how goku is complex multiversal but doesn’t destroy a multiverse everytime he fights. Ect…
@@narrowmax7382that's true. It's possible for the laser to continental power without destroying a continent. To the same degree of Goku having multivsal level punches without destroying the multivrse
@@eduardopantoja9115 The laser has no solid statement of it being multicontinental
It was highly concentrated and just enough to not blast the whole continent away. Why did you think Megamaind would do that?
@@jaideepshekhar4621 Well if we were to go off his own possible reasoning, he wasn't aiming to destroy himself and everyone else with the beam, only destroy MM with it. If he wanted to destroy the continent, he probably would have needed to wait longer for the beam to charge, meaning that he would have prepared the charge in advance and get out of dodge before the beam was done charging to fire it, and would have had the overall beam be larger than what we saw.
The funny thing about the virtgo supercluster feat is that its pretty impossible to actually calculate since there are multiple galaxies including the milkyway within it. Since virtgo super cluster isnt the virtgo cluster so he could be anyway from 221x ftl from going to the nearest solar system in 2 weeks to a couple billion depending on exactly where the planet is
All that for both of them to be Battle Beast victims.
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I feel like Megamind might be exaggerating about the sun thing.
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i did@@Goji-C
I love this point, this is him WALKING around, and everything is stopped for him, this is pretty much beyond red rush levels of speed because even he says a conversation takes hours to him, but that moment he literally had an existential crisis, read books, flew a kite, went around and THEN decided to fake his death, before Megamind even closed his mouth, he is FAR beyond Red Rush who was beyond Omni-man, since Omni-man needed to predict him to actually touch him.
Metroman never bled or was hurt, all while not trying at all. I'd say he's a lot more powerful and durable.
Megamind was clearly overexaderating when he said that it was the full power of the sun consider that all it did was destroy a mountain top.
because it's concenrated
Omni man is stronger
Metro man has more durability and is faster
Metro man isn't faster nor more durable and get negged
6:50 the planets very clearly hadn't passed the event horizon at this point, so the escape velocity of the black whole would have been below the speed of light. It's pretty clear that the pods were only accelerating at this point and weren't travelling faster than light. We also don't know how long the journey to earth took, so we don't even know if the pods ever reached the speed of light.
And even if they were traveling at the speed of light, their speed relative to eachother still would have been somewhere around 0.
1. Can you elaborate how they are "clearly" not in the event horizon
2. Megamind is able to perceive things outside of the space shuttle
3. They still went from one black hole to earth, which is really far away, in seconds
@@ultimazilla9814 1. Well there's the fact that we can see them. The event horizon is the point where light can no longer escape. You can't exactly see an object if its light can't reach you.. Then there's the fact that objects approaching the event horizon would appear frozen in time to an outsider, yet we see the planets moving. So not only have they not reached the event horizon, they're not even close.
2. Like I said, that was during what was most likely the acceleration phase
3. You'd have to be pretty dumb to assume they actually reached Earth in a matter of seconds instead of there being some sort of time skip. But even if we assumed that there was no time skip, the journey was only a couple seconds long from Megamind's perspective. From an outsider's perspective, it would have taken much longer. If Megamind was travelling at the speed of light, the journey would have seemed instantenous for him.
the thing is metro man is largely featless and in my opinion only around sub-relativistic or atleast to my calcs.
I agree he’s featless but at the same time I believe there’s enough in the movie and short to get a gauge on his ap, but yeah I agree with you. thx for the comment! Don’t forget to watch and sub to support the channel
Well again you have to think, Metro is doing his speed feat in a fairly relaxed manner. No hurry, no need to rush anything and certainly no adrenaline going through him whatsoever
@@chrishandsome7012 yeah he is the speed of light or a little bit faster. but omniman has showed to be massively faster than light
@@berjoxhn5142 Again, like the video is stating that is massively underplaying it to the point where it’s disingenuous at minimum
Then your calcs are wrong.
Show me anything that has worked on metro man and ill listen to any argument. Until i see a known weakness im calling it like it is. Hes truly invulnerable.
Markiplier vs markiplier
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Metro's jawline alone is enough to cleave through Omniman's skull like a coconut.
Nah while I get people aren't really on it like that, I think planetary invincible isn't unrealistic just due to viltrum being able to produce creatures as powerful as viltrumites, y'know? Kinda like planet vegeta being waay more powerful than it's denizens
What I think people also don't realize with Metro man or simply don't put too much thought into is that not only was he moving at high speeds but also everything he interacted with didn't fall apart upon also being moved at that speed. He was able to move something like a chip that would of easily disintegrated upon being moved a millimetre at a fraction of Metro mans speed yet he was able to move it practically the length of his arm with it remaining completely intact. While the show isn't going to take things like that into account it still shows something that could be worth looking into.
Sounds like supermans superpower to project a field of some sorts onto whatever he's holding. Basically something the writers came up with to explain why he doesn't got straight through planes he catches or destroy things he flies at super speed with.
Omni man is nowhere near, seeing his speed is nothing comparable to markiplier's speed hes literally moving multiple times faster than the speed of light and his durabillity is able to tank the friction while hes moving also he can use his speed and durability as a strenght by using the newtons 2nd law of motion Force = Mass/Acceleration.
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there are people that say metro man wins with a large bargain
because of one scene (the one where time stood still while he was depressed) and the fact that metro man was supposed to be like superman but with no weaknesses
Dam. Crazy. Good video.
W comment thanks for the support gang
I think using Hal as a comparison of his power could really help understand how powerful Metro Man really is
It would be nice if we got to see more of Metro Man
SpaceGodzilla >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER IN THE ENTIRE INVINCIBLE UNIVERSE, INCLUDING EMPEROR MARK.
Oh you just reminded me a new spacegodzilla comic should be coming out today where he gets worshiped by aliens!
The Death Ray breaks the one rule on laser feats that everyone respects by exploding on impact.
Faster than light speeds to escape a black hole are only required past the event horizon, and I'm not even sure what confirms the location of Megamind's or Metro Man's planet.
Megamind isn't dodging lasers. I mean, he is, but what he's doing requires him to react at the speed that Thighten moves his head and/or eyes, not the speed of the laser itself.
Taking Megamind's statement about the Death Ray at face value has a big issue. Not only is the resulting explosion not Multi-Continental (At least visually), but in order for the laser to be that powerful it would need to absorb enough solar energy to leave the Earth in darkness for almost 70 years. You could argue that the satellite flew to the sun and back or any other way to shorten the process, but it would be an unsubstantiated claim.
Omniman almost died to a guy punching his chest at high speed.
Metroman literally can do that with time frozen.
Shouldn’t have expected anything more from an anime PFP with anime memes in his video
Power also = Energy / Time so Metroman is infinitely stronger
1. The rockets were being parallel to each other, that's like saying if you can percieve something in your own ship while going near LS you can percieve near LS. That's not a real perception feat, maybe if he saw the rocket and percieved his face while stationary this would work
2. The laser is clearly not actually multi continental lol, it doesn't even evaporate the island/entire area of the observatory. Megamind was hyping it up/hyperbole, obviously. There's no reason this is an AP issue either, obvious multi continental laser would destroy something of a similar tier. It's just a very powerful laser.
Chuck highkey missed with that video tbh
Only because we never really see how much strength we see from Metro Man
he tried to compare it to being Titan's strength but homie got like 0.0001% of Metro Man's power from a flake of dandruff, plus he's still human
Metro Man is the full genetic code of whatever race he is, so who's to say homie doesn't rival Viltrumites, let alone turn them to cannon fodder
Nice video! I like it! also can u do a evangelion angels power scaling or eva units power scaling?
Evangelion scaling is a must I will most definitely do that
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People don't notice, but Metroman is in the blast radius of the super weapon in order to conceal his body as he tosses the skeleton. HE IS IN THE BLAST RADIUS.
If you don't know, the effects of an explosion are 3 fold. Firstly, what you will die from in a close range blast is the shockwave, it will rupture organs, break bones and cause internal bleeding. Second the actual first thing that will be noticed is the heat from the weapon, as even in slow time, this weapon is hitting with radiation heat condoction, as the molecules are overheated from light particles, and in Metroman's quick time, the weapon is already melting the dome before landinging. It takes 2000°F to do that at least and from what we see, the plasma Megamind used had recursive blasts, meaning the weapon Megamind used would've been hot enough that when a quick rush of cooler material entered it explodes again due to how hot the area is. Finally Shrapnel, due to the mountain exploding, it would send several chunks of molten rock, copper, and any other molten debris in the area, anything to be unfortunate enough to be hit by the debris is going to be punctured and instantly Cauterized if it's made of flesh.
METROMAN IS IN THE BLAST RADIUS. From the scale of the explosion itself, it is already a city wide threat. The Shockwave alone is enough to cause people to become deaf, at the far edge of the city, causing significant damage due to the recursive blasts. The heat radiation close enough to the blast at its weakest would cause immediate heat stroke and searing of your outer flesh, and shrapnel is worst for them, as the recursive blasts would send several waves of molten shrapnel destroying Infrastructure, Transportation, Trade Lines. Even if we conclude that this is far out of the city, it would still damage and wreck havoc to surrounding areas, minor infrastructure damages thanks to shockwaves and shrapnel, and citizens would definitely notice a sharp spike in temperature.
Metroman wasn't on the edges, he was IN IT and didn't even think about it as dangerous, he was delighted by the opportunity to use it to fake his death. Let me note this: All organic life would in fact die by the HEAT alone, dying near instantly. The shockwaves and shrapnel are more of your worry outside of the blasts, but being in them and ignoring heat, also instant death in both scenarios. People may be downplaying this because it's not super gritty and is a kid's cartoon, but that ignores the fact they aren't going to show the realistic Tragedy of what Megamind had just composed on MetroCity, because he's who we root for.
I'd argue Metroman tanking even the blast radius of the weapon gives him a large city wide defensive strength, and we know that's nothing to him
Omni-Man is comic strong
Metroman is comic𝙇𝙔 strong
There is a huge difference
I hated how Chuck down played Metro man's speed. Like, the dude literally went to go get food, fly a kite, read some books and all before a LASER could get even near him. If that isn't far above faster than light speed, than Idk what is.
speed doesnt mean everything
@@mrduckmrduck2976 Super Speed is actually ridiculously overpowered. You know how Batman with prep time is OP? Imagine how much prep time a speedster has.
@@williamspears1627 to do what persay metromans objectively weaker
@@mrduckmrduck2976 Prep time is utterly broken. If you don't get why oh well.
It's why Batman, a regular human, is so dangerous.
Metroman is shown to be a strategic thinker, so NONE of that prep time is going to waste.
Have you seen The Boys? Again, it's mostly regular humans going against super humans. How?
Prep Time. Research. Things that Metroman would canonically do to win the fight.
@@williamspears1627 We forgeting the fact the omni is i belive thousands of years old has much more battle experience and the fact that metroman isnt that smart
i think it's funny how all the "metroman is the strongest character ever" discourse came from megamind producers simply wanting to have a scene where he walks around with time stopped
anyway, metroman claps
Nah Markiplier wins no Diff
Thought the Omniman debunk was fair as the vague statements of the "plaent eaters" were pretty dismissable as that could mean many things, but the Metroman segment felt a bit too much of a reach. The argument that the death laser truly is the full power of the sun is a bit of a bad faith assumption. Megamind says that, sure, but that is far from proof of that it's truly that powerful as he could just be acting dramatic as he often does. What I see people constantly ignoring in scaling Metroman is that the laser barely does any damage to the ground beneath the observatory when it hits it and also doesn't damage the ground whatsoever when it hits the robot, at least when you are trying to say its the full lower of the son hitting something. You can actually calculate the power of the laser by just looking at the explosion it causes and the damage it does to the ground. If we're taking that into account, considering that the area was extremely concentrated and the city is still standing after it hits, this laser doesn't even scale to nukes... The speed feat of metroman is no joke and truly the best thing he had going for him but i think this MAJORLY wanked how truly fast it was. Even suggesting that Megamind can comprehend things moving at faster than light speeds is just was too much of a reach. Who's to say the pods didnt slow down to conserve power after they escaped the black hole? In fact, if they were moving faster than light then how come those asteroids were moving past them so slowly in comparison? They would be smears on the screen if noticeable at all. That and Megamind's craft actually HITS them, if he was moving that fast when hitting an asteroid both it and him would be obliterated.
Also, just saying Metroman is ludicrously strong just because nobody ever expected him to lose is too vague to confirm hes literally stronger than the sun. For one, with his speed almost nothing is a threat in the same sense as with speedsters. The flash also likely wouldnt have to worry about the laser because he can just move away in time but he almost definitely couldn't tank the hit.
I feel like metro man it’s just gonna keep getting punched by Omni man and nothings really gonna happen and he’s just gonna be standing there really confused so then he goes into super speed and then just speeds away
Metro Man moves and thinks in percents of the speed of light. He moves and thinks so fast that time almost stands still for him. I dont know how anyone could think that Omni Man could do anything against that.
0:24 bro this is so funny💀🤣
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Rad, I was honestly planning on doing a Metro Man video, still do, but yeah your speed meta for MM is definitely goated and something I never thought about it, I’ll be sure to shout out this vid whenever I cover MM
You have a habit of finding higher metas for things so I’m looking forward to whenever you post next, thx for giving my gif or a watch and know when you post I will be there no matter what 👀
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