@@Niru_Goatin both statment and feats: -in the supers files(official),it is said that mr incredible as a danger sens. And in the 1v1 with elastigirl,he sensed something wrong and some attacks
@@Niru_Goat mr incredible can react to lasers from jack jack and homelanders lasers cant even melt regular metal like Soldier boys shield mean while the incredables suits can take missels which explode at tempetures that could melt through any metal so mr incredable slams low-mid diff
Just one correction, the Omni Droid that Mr. Incredible beats while he's out of shape is actually the Mk. 8. The Mk. 9 is the one that restrains him in the Syndrome intro scene, and the Mk. 10 is the one in the climax. Yes, even though Syndrome said it was ready, he still upgraded it to the Mk. 10 despite the Mk. 9 beating Mr. Incredible with no damage. I think the Mk. 9 is even smaller in that scene Vs. the Mk. 10's size.
Real reason Jack Jack wasn’t included is because he’d wallop the 7 and it’d be embarassing. Keep in mind that even without a super suit Jack Jack survived the plane exploding when he killed Syndrome. It wasn’t point blank but he’s 1: a baby and 2: not wearing a super suit. Combine that with the fact that Jack Jack seems to be able to do just about anything and even has AP that already scales to his fathers level albeit dependent on whether or not he wants to, Jack Jack is an absolute menace. All the 7 has to do is make the mistake of thinking that targeting the baby is the easiest opponent, take him away from his mom or even just try to attack him and he’ll go ballistic with lasers and electricity and fire, turning into a giant metal demon who’s rampage could probably only be stopped when his parents calm him down. If you think Frozone freezing people is the insta-win button, try taking Jack Jack more than 10 feet away from his mama.
Mr Incredible was able to lift the mark 9 Omni Droid which was made of something similar to tungsten like tank armor. It would have weighed in the neighborhood of 2500 tons. I haven't seen homelander left anywhere near that much.
Tanks aren’t made of tungsten, and their armor is made of composite which is hollow has many layers ^^, but I’d imagine they’d be much more heavily armored.
@@SpaceGodzilla-xb7vk many tanks like the Abrams use depleted uranium and tungsten rods for their inner armor. Not all countries have access to depleted uranium.
@@140theguy depleted uranium isn’t used anymore, it’s too expensive and too hard to maintain for long periods, and it’s mainly used in tank rounds now, the m1a2 sep V3 uses Chobham now instead of depleted uranium I think,
Lets see… Jack Jack can, A: travel between dimensions at will, B: shapeshift and change his molecular structure temporarily, and C: turn into a LITERAL DEMON. Yeah, I can see Jack Jack scaling to that when he’s fully grown.
Bob has an statement about him having a type of "spidersense" which is very consistent with the films, specially with the omnidroid. 17:52 Btw,that super is a girl, I didn't knew that so that's why I'm writing this, to see if I wasn't the only one.
@@MiguelTheAnomaly85 the statement is found on the lore, if I remember correctly you can see it on the archives like the other super Goji shown to be capable of generating earthquakes. I had the scan but looks like I deleted it :MyHonestFrogReaction:
The incredible's team work for sure is the difference maker. Even if you low ball the daughter's shield to simply Amp her punches to the strength of A grown adult, she could do that to Mr.Incredibles punches for an untold impact. Their power set is far more balanced too. The homelander squad is 99% just feats of strength. Dash Dash being able to perceive time like metroman gives him unparalleled information collection capabilities. Just going by the fact he was able to move from his school chair to the front of the class and back in less than 1/60th of a second is insane. I'd argue he easily out speeds the speedster of the 7 if not all of them entirely. Honestly, if Jack Jack was in the fight, he could probably solo both sides at once. I am not joking. He's clearly inspired by Franklin Richard's making him a walking mcguffin. Jack Jack is only limited by his imagination. He can mix powers all at once too. So he could make himself an incorporeal light speed giant who can form stars to slam people into. I wouldn't even be surprised if he could form black holes.
plus, the adult incredibles have significant experience fighting super powered foes as they were career superheroes, i think they'd have the experience advantage
Honestly it’s really rare to see anyone scale The Creeper from Jeepers Creepers but I’d like to see him get pinned up against Jason or even The Predator
I think early Jason, Creeper wins but part 6 and after, it's a tough battle. Uber Jason just takes it no contest. Honestly the Predator could probably win because of its future tech being able to wipe out the Creeper
Seeing him going up against pumkpin head sounds cool. But putting *two* more obscure characters in one vid might not be the most eye catching unfortunately
Ik you said that Mr Incredible is the slowest, but he has had a speed feat too of outrunning a very fast rolling Omnidroid 8 and he was doing so at what seems to be Dash’s speed for 10 seconds quite a distance as he went from a jungle to a volcano. Btw he was out of shape, not having used those muscles in 15 years and he was very obese.
In short, the Seven may technically have the AP advantage thanks to Homelander, but the Incredibles have them beat in experience, teamwork and speed, on top of more useful hax. Also, here is my suggestion for another Match Up: Garfield vs Tom.
tom actually throws hands and garfield doesn’t, cat in the hat vs tom is more reasonable unless you’re talking about talking tom as opposed to tom from tom&jerry
@@Jamlord2061 Garfield ate the Blasteroid in ep65 of the Garfield Show, which was stated to destroy earth if it hit, dont know how Talking Tom compared to that
The frozone add on was just unfair if anybody in the seven is slower then him their instantly stuck in a block of ice which he can SPAM low tiers get cooked so fast
I mean, the higher tiers should too, to be honest. Pretty sure getting encased in a block of ice inhibits muscle movement and freezes your blood, and though it's dumb to think of it that way, supes would still need blood flow for their brains to function etc, and since Frozone just shits out massive amounts of ice almost instantly, he could probably just freeze and keep freezing everybody - including Homelander - until they eventually just lose consciousness.
I mean I didn't really know about the FTL speeds for incredible and I didn't know that the other heroes had powers and that they had detailed descriptions of them and their abilities, but on a low end being faster than all of the boys just because of a baby shooting lasers is honestly funny
Goes to show that laser dodging feats are stupid and inconsistent. Just because you can react to a telegraphed laser charging up and moving out of the way before it fires doesn't mean that you have "lightspeed reaction time". By that logic, all humans have supersonic reaction time, because some people have dodged bullets.
@@brunitop4753 I mean I wouldn't really call what Mr incredible dodged inconsistent considering it just happened and he had no idea but if we're talking about a homelander then definitely because those were never stated to be lasers at best those are heat
@@brunitop4753 About telegraphed and moving before it fires is called aim dodging and yeah idk when did some people have dodged bullets? Even in a football court side by side you cant really move faster than the bullet if it already fire and in this case jack jack laser was already fired and was unpredictable due to his nature
amazing video. i actually made the omnidroid v.X4 art at 12:10. really glad that ive been able to contribute to the incredibles online ethos lol. keep up the great videos!
I honestly didn't like the newer season of Invincible all that much, and Amber sucked all of s1. I have less complaints about The Boys, tbh. Although, I would actually personally prefer not having the weird, graphic sexual stuff. I skip those scenes. And to be clear, like I watch XXX and play AVNs, but The Boys basically does some kink bs I'm not into lmao
@Paradox-es3bl I hated the treatment of Huey. He got sexually assaulted and raped right after killing his dad. He didn't know it was a shape-shifter and wanted to but it was still rape. I feel like if they did that to Starlight people would be in an uproar about it
You're quite the boys fanatic and I can't lie to myself and tell this isn't entertaining😂 Nice work and keep bringing more of this for the power scaling community and strengthen our image
Yeah, pretty weird statement. Powerscalers tend to make extreme conclusions from very broad statements like that without actually understading the science (or rather, scifi). It's especially weird because everything else in show gives the idea of Homelander being around Mach 3-10. "Seeing Vought Tower from space" could mean any number of things. Could mean from the stratosphere, the exosphere, anything in between, or even from the moon. It doesn't even denote a speed of any kind.
@@brunitop4753 In a deleted scene, replaced by the wanking one, he flew to space. Assuming they didn't cut away this probably means he reached space between anywhere from 1 minute to 30 seconds. I agree it shouldn't be taken at face value, given that he is self propelling, but it is not by any means ridiculous. Given what Stan Edgar said in the rest of that scene, it's pretty certain that he went to space as he didn't call Homelander out on it. Assuming it took him about a minute to get to the exosphere, that puts him at about mach 25. Not arguing he doesn't lose to a lot of people, I just feel like people lowball him arbitrarily. Glad you brought up this point.
Dang, it's you! I'm a big fan of your work. I know all about you and your incredible edits and debates. Your Conquestor edit is so powerful, and the aura you create is amazing. I'm also tired of people downplaying Mr. Incredible reaction speed and saying he doesn't scale to Hypershock. Your insights and edits have been really inspiring, and I appreciate the effort you put into your work. Keep it up!
Goji: “The seven have rolled with being the Greek Gods.” Meanwhile Homelander vs Thor and Kratos “I can do whatever the fuck I wan…” *is turned into red mist before he can finish the sentence”
Do Jack's lazer eyes actually fire at light speed? Looked like in the freeze frame Jack Jack had to charge it up, and the fact that there is more than one frame for the laser to travel is evidence that it isn't actually light-speed.
Great video. I would have to disagree with some of the seven scaling for the high-tiers and not sure if I fully buy the Incredibles speed scaling. However, this was a great video nonetheless.
Rip Gazerbeam, Kronos. I feel like Homelander would be faster than Bob but that Bob would be able to shake off his blows relatively easily and knock him out. I think the problem would be if Homelander used his flight considering none of the Incredibles are really equipped to deal with that. Violet would have to shield them from his laser and dive attacks while they come up with a way to take him out. It'd be a very interesting fight for sure, but yeah the Incredibles come out on top.
Flying isn't really that op against the Incredibles though, Mr. Incredible could throw things at him to hurt or entangle him... like his wife, and Frozone has a ranged attack that could at the very least stun him for a sec.
@@markusnixon3156 Hmm, I don't think it'd be OP, I just think it'd be harder for them to win. With him on the ground, I think Bob could take him low to mid dif. I'm not sure how effective those would be. I've only seen S1 so I'm not sure how effective the envirement is against Homelander. Like if Bob threw a car at him, would his strength boost it or would it just be like if a car hit him. Cause that wouldn't do any damage. As for throwing Elastigirl, I don't know, wouldn't his lasers hurt her? I feel like they probably would. But yeah if she could grab him and hold him in a way he couldn't laser her that'd work. But it'd be tricky with how fast he is. With Frozone, yeah that'd trip him up. He can freeze stuff really fast since he froze the bullet in the movie, I don't think it'd hurt him much, but I think it'd cause him to fall or create an opening for the others.
@@Jacob-WD40 Bob could definitely hurt him with the strength he's displayed, Homelander has been hurt by "heroes" weaker them him in the show, and Bob has stronger feats then Homelander already, and how fast an object is going affects how much it will hurt you, even if the material itself is not enough to pierce skin, because of the momentum causing concussive damage.
@@markusnixon3156 Gotcha, I was thinking in terms of no matter how hard you throw a balloon it won't hurt cause it lacks the density. But I think your right, it's more like a gun. Throwing a bullet won't do much damage cause it doesn't have much weight, but at the speeds a bullet goes it does a lot of damage. Basically, Bob would be throwing the car so hard it'd be like Homelander got shot with a bullet the size of a car. Nice X)
@@Jacob-WD40 Yeah, and Bob can literally knock around an Omnidroid weighing an estimated *thousands* of tons, he might be able to even hurt Homelander by throwing a regular football, at the expense of the football obviously! XP
Real talk, a fight like this where its a actual Super Hero team vs a group of Corrupt Supes is literally the sort of thing that they would make a movie about for the Incredibles tbh Also Kronos
Honestly agree with all the scaling here and the points of why not scale em that high Might have disagreed last time but seeing more explanation of his reasoning I have changed my mind
I have no idea the context of your comment, but good on you for being open to changing your mind with more data, there's a fair few commenter here that aren't so respectable! 😄
I'm surprised you did not mention something in the Incredibles lore. The basics is, similar to how Homelander scales above all other heroes in his verse, same could be said for Mr. Incredible. In fact, Bob's strength is high enough that the NSA labelled his tier as "Mega-Strength", which is exclusive to him. So any of the old heroes (in the Incredibles) with superhuman strength would, by proxy, scale under him by definition.
I'd argue the Incredibles can get even higher than their current scaling, since Hypershock has his earthquale max at 6.0 with his fists, yet he has hammers to boost up his powers to an unknown degree, which brings the idea of a hypothetical 10.0 richter Mr Incredible and honestly that's so damn funny to me, just imagining Homelander flying and punching Bob just for Bob to punch him hard enough to destroy the landscape in the vicinity
would mr incredible blind homelander once he realises that psycho has laser vision because i personally do not believe homelander would have his eyes before the end of the fight
@@Jamlord2061 In theory, yes, since we've seen how a bloodlusted Mr Incredible is with Evelyn's goggles and he's rather brutal with his strength, plus as seen in the first movie he gets "amped" with his emotions, since he couldn't lift the Omnidroid until he saw Violet about to die stomped by it And of course we know he has some experience with laser vision since Jack Jack exists and Gazer Beam was one of his partners in his hero team, being Bob himself the one that recruited him
Don't forget that in some official comic book Mr Incredible lifts a massive submarine (a large submarine can weigh from thousands to tens of thousands of tons). Though it should be noted that he was in his prime. Still, none of characters in The Boys verse have a strength feat even close to that.
I don't recall any good feats from the Thundermans, unless there's like a one-off quote about how Mr. Thunderman shook a mountain, then they're probably losing this
I'd agree with the video so far when it comes to homelanders scaling, as even with the little H-bomb stuff that's almost entirely town level range, and is broad within itself. Along with the fact the other statement comes from a more then likely lying stillwell based on the fact homelander is still hurt by city-town level attacks pretty consistently. So anything above large town is a big stretch especially mountain. But now I'm curious to see the incredibles end.
Kronos Also extremely glad to see my favorite superheroes (I’m an Incredibles fanboy. What can I say?) win a confrontation like this! Excellent work, as always, Goji-Chronic.
9:11 I’d like to point out that it’s possible that Syndrome utilized his weaknesses to defeat him. The Omni might not scale to, y’know, Town or city range durability.
The Omnidroid model 04 defeated Hypershock, showing a high level of durability and AP. Even with weaknesses exploited, the Omnidroid had to counter Hypershock’s earthquake abilities. Mr. Incredible defeating the more advanced model 08 suggests he's at least on par with Hypershock in strength and durability. With a threat rating of 9.1, Mr. Incredible is rated higher than Hypershock (7.5) and Gamma Jack (7.9). in the training sessions with Omnidroids were direct combat, not just sneak attacks. The Kronos database shows Omnidroids were made to push heroes to their limits, proving their durability and power. Universal Man, with max indestructibility, was killed by Omnidroid model 01, showing even the strongest heroes can be defeated. This supports that both Omnidroids and the heroes who defeat them can have town level ap.
Bruh, first Captain Murica vs Soulja Boi? Now this? I’m eatin. I’d honestly love to have a scaling video on Jotaro or a matchup like Gojo vs Jotaro now
The 7 are all the weakest archetype of their power / character there based off of except soldier boy. Thats not just compared to dc and marvel but most if not all the other comics and publishers as well
7:49 that's a hax ability. It's not like she can put the full power of that storm into a punch; it's just a bonus ability unrelated to physical strength.
That Island Fight in the first Incredibles, when the whole family comes together, is a vastly underrated scene. Sure it only lasts about 30 seconds before Syndrome breaks it up. Still, the teamwork the family displays on thwir very first outing is absolutely insane. They know instinctively how their powers compliment each other. Imo, the Incredibles have the best team dynamic in all of superhero lore, including the Fantastic Four. (To be clear, i don't know that they would beat FF, but their teamwork specifically is off the charts).
starlight had just gotten out of confinement when noir ambushed her, then she got distracted by lamplighter's corpse. she was also trying to run away, not fight, but noir's travel speed is better. plus, he wasn't reveling in kicking her ass like the deep was, so she had fewer chances to land any hits. but once starlight kicked the deep in the balls he got serious and ragdolled her to the point she couldn't even crawl away from his overdramatic ahh foot. AND the deep beat her by landing fewer hits (seriously go count them) while arguably holding back for most of the fight. so yeah, noir ain't beating a-train
In the short, I think her reacting to the Lazer eyes is more so just a gag than a feat, but I feel like the incredibles should still have that general range of speed
Here's a wild idea.. Tobey Spidey, Jackman Wolverine, and Chris Evans/ Rogers Cap (with or without Mjolnir) vs the S2 lineup of The Seven Or Fox/DP & W Wolverine vs show Homelander
Imagine the horror The Boys would be feeling. They were just attacked by The Seven or Homelander, and then Mr Incredible, a character who's twice the size of most of the seven members shows up.
Syndrome with prep solos the boys
Honestly, that’s a more fair matchup for the 7 than the entire Par family and Frozone. I agree that he squad wipes, though.
True!
omg i wanna see that so badly lol
TERMINATED.
lol unless he gets caught monologuing
Frozone wouldn't be able to find his supersuit.
😂😂
Come on man 😂
XD
You're forgetting that Mr. Incredible has a spidey sense in a way according to the skill thing. So homelander probably won't be catching him off guard
Homelander is way faster, and Mr incredible's "spidey sense" won't work. And where has that been shown?
@@Niru_Goatin both statment and feats:
-in the supers files(official),it is said that mr incredible as a danger sens.
And in the 1v1 with elastigirl,he sensed something wrong and some attacks
@@Darkgubz But can he react to someone flying at him whose almost Mach 50? Will he survive getting lasered in the face? The answer's no
@@Niru_GoatIf Homelander can do all that, the show wouldn’t last a season
@@Niru_Goat mr incredible can react to lasers from jack jack and homelanders lasers cant even melt regular metal like Soldier boys shield mean while the incredables suits can take missels which explode at tempetures that could melt through any metal so mr incredable slams low-mid diff
Adding Frozone was overkill 💀
It's not like he could have included the baby
overkill for the deep but gets blits by noir
@@barackdwaynecenajohson3289 Did u not watch the video ?💀
@@curiousgeorgeatewrongjuice2856 no. But I think he could still freeze him before any harm.
I just realized Frozone froze freaking LAVA
I loved that part where goji chronic said "Its chronicing time" and chroniced all over the place!
I also loved that part!
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I loved the part where godzilla Guy Said It's Powerscalling suckszin time and started biased scalling all over the place.
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Yo hi Godzilla guy
These teams do have one thing in common… Both of them failed to stop a plane from going down
💀💀💀💀💀atleast one of them took the people out of the plane 😭😭😭😭
Osama bin landen scales higher than homelander
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@@Ascera_exists he's Santa??
That explains the beard!
If the seven win I’ll feel disappointed
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So I guess you won't find it ... INCREDIBLE
@@jonkler677 yes
Just one correction, the Omni Droid that Mr. Incredible beats while he's out of shape is actually the Mk. 8. The Mk. 9 is the one that restrains him in the Syndrome intro scene, and the Mk. 10 is the one in the climax. Yes, even though Syndrome said it was ready, he still upgraded it to the Mk. 10 despite the Mk. 9 beating Mr. Incredible with no damage. I think the Mk. 9 is even smaller in that scene Vs. the Mk. 10's size.
Omnidroid 10 was as tall as a building it was much bigger than the previous omnidroids
Real reason Jack Jack wasn’t included is because he’d wallop the 7 and it’d be embarassing.
Keep in mind that even without a super suit Jack Jack survived the plane exploding when he killed Syndrome. It wasn’t point blank but he’s 1: a baby and 2: not wearing a super suit.
Combine that with the fact that Jack Jack seems to be able to do just about anything and even has AP that already scales to his fathers level albeit dependent on whether or not he wants to, Jack Jack is an absolute menace.
All the 7 has to do is make the mistake of thinking that targeting the baby is the easiest opponent, take him away from his mom or even just try to attack him and he’ll go ballistic with lasers and electricity and fire, turning into a giant metal demon who’s rampage could probably only be stopped when his parents calm him down.
If you think Frozone freezing people is the insta-win button, try taking Jack Jack more than 10 feet away from his mama.
Also he can teleport and literally enter alternate dimensions if I got the facts right
When homelander said "You may be incredible, But im-" and then it cut to a title card. i started touching myself
U need a therapist
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Mr Incredible was able to lift the mark 9 Omni Droid which was made of something similar to tungsten like tank armor. It would have weighed in the neighborhood of 2500 tons. I haven't seen homelander left anywhere near that much.
Tanks aren’t made of tungsten, and their armor is made of composite which is hollow has many layers ^^, but I’d imagine they’d be much more heavily armored.
@@SpaceGodzilla-xb7vk many tanks like the Abrams use depleted uranium and tungsten rods for their inner armor. Not all countries have access to depleted uranium.
@@140theguy depleted uranium isn’t used anymore, it’s too expensive and too hard to maintain for long periods, and it’s mainly used in tank rounds now, the m1a2 sep V3 uses Chobham now instead of depleted uranium I think,
@@140theguy tungsten is also mainly used in tank rounds, such as tungsten rounds..
Leave it to Goji Chronic to find out that Jack Jack scales to Multi-Continental or something
Power scalers when the when
Lets see… Jack Jack can,
A: travel between dimensions at will,
B: shapeshift and change his molecular structure temporarily, and
C: turn into a LITERAL DEMON.
Yeah, I can see Jack Jack scaling to that when he’s fully grown.
EXCELLENT WORK. GOJI CHRONIC PIXAR VS THE BOYS INCREDIBLE VS THE SEVEN AWESOME!
Grown up Jack Jack with full potential probably is tbh 😂
what stops jack jack from aging tagging in his future self
Bob has an statement about him having a type of "spidersense" which is very consistent with the films, specially with the omnidroid.
17:52
Btw,that super is a girl, I didn't knew that so that's why I'm writing this, to see if I wasn't the only one.
Can you show the scan for Bob having a spider sense ability
@@MiguelTheAnomaly85 the statement is found on the lore, if I remember correctly you can see it on the archives like the other super Goji shown to be capable of generating earthquakes.
I had the scan but looks like I deleted it :MyHonestFrogReaction:
@@lycantubeves5992 ok when you get it back please show it
No I totally thought it was a dude with the jaw and hairstyle
The incredible's team work for sure is the difference maker. Even if you low ball the daughter's shield to simply Amp her punches to the strength of A grown adult, she could do that to Mr.Incredibles punches for an untold impact.
Their power set is far more balanced too. The homelander squad is 99% just feats of strength. Dash Dash being able to perceive time like metroman gives him unparalleled information collection capabilities. Just going by the fact he was able to move from his school chair to the front of the class and back in less than 1/60th of a second is insane. I'd argue he easily out speeds the speedster of the 7 if not all of them entirely.
Honestly, if Jack Jack was in the fight, he could probably solo both sides at once. I am not joking. He's clearly inspired by Franklin Richard's making him a walking mcguffin. Jack Jack is only limited by his imagination. He can mix powers all at once too. So he could make himself an incorporeal light speed giant who can form stars to slam people into. I wouldn't even be surprised if he could form black holes.
jack jack: levitates; become ethereal; t-poses; and begins to beyblade while firing a laser beam
plus, the adult incredibles have significant experience fighting super powered foes as they were career superheroes, i think they'd have the experience advantage
Pixar characters are so cracked lol
normal character being able to both see, react to and physically dodge/block light speed attacks
Honestly it’s really rare to see anyone scale The Creeper from Jeepers Creepers but I’d like to see him get pinned up against Jason or even The Predator
I think early Jason, Creeper wins but part 6 and after, it's a tough battle. Uber Jason just takes it no contest.
Honestly the Predator could probably win because of its future tech being able to wipe out the Creeper
Seeing him going up against pumkpin head sounds cool. But putting *two* more obscure characters in one vid might not be the most eye catching unfortunately
@@mandalorianhunter1But the creator of the Creeper IS a predator so that’s checkmate for him.
@@offbrandfiji6487 We know that and checkmate for who?
@@mandalorianhunter1 Predator
Ik you said that Mr Incredible is the slowest, but he has had a speed feat too of outrunning a very fast rolling Omnidroid 8 and he was doing so at what seems to be Dash’s speed for 10 seconds quite a distance as he went from a jungle to a volcano. Btw he was out of shape, not having used those muscles in 15 years and he was very obese.
Plot twist, the babysitter is just that fast
Maybe she was Dash's babysitter too? 😆
I mean, yeah. That's pretty blatantly the case lol
In short, the Seven may technically have the AP advantage thanks to Homelander, but the Incredibles have them beat in experience, teamwork and speed, on top of more useful hax.
Also, here is my suggestion for another Match Up: Garfield vs Tom.
tom actually throws hands and garfield doesn’t, cat in the hat vs tom is more reasonable unless you’re talking about talking tom as opposed to tom from tom&jerry
@@Jamlord2061
Garfield ate the Blasteroid in ep65 of the Garfield Show, which was stated to destroy earth if it hit, dont know how Talking Tom compared to that
@@cafecreme6395
This is tom from tom and jerry, not talking tom.
@@FishFactInc. He specifically said that it would be better if talking tom would face Garfield
The frozone add on was just unfair if anybody in the seven is slower then him their instantly stuck in a block of ice which he can SPAM low tiers get cooked so fast
I mean, the higher tiers should too, to be honest. Pretty sure getting encased in a block of ice inhibits muscle movement and freezes your blood, and though it's dumb to think of it that way, supes would still need blood flow for their brains to function etc, and since Frozone just shits out massive amounts of ice almost instantly, he could probably just freeze and keep freezing everybody - including Homelander - until they eventually just lose consciousness.
another point against the seven is the incredible's family has no low tiers..
I mean I didn't really know about the FTL speeds for incredible and I didn't know that the other heroes had powers and that they had detailed descriptions of them and their abilities, but on a low end being faster than all of the boys just because of a baby shooting lasers is honestly funny
Goes to show that laser dodging feats are stupid and inconsistent.
Just because you can react to a telegraphed laser charging up and moving out of the way before it fires doesn't mean that you have "lightspeed reaction time".
By that logic, all humans have supersonic reaction time, because some people have dodged bullets.
@@brunitop4753 I mean I wouldn't really call what Mr incredible dodged inconsistent considering it just happened and he had no idea but if we're talking about a homelander then definitely because those were never stated to be lasers at best those are heat
@@brunitop4753 About telegraphed and moving before it fires is called aim dodging and yeah idk when did some people have dodged bullets? Even in a football court side by side you cant really move faster than the bullet if it already fire and in this case jack jack laser was already fired and was unpredictable due to his nature
If you can see the laser traveling in different frames that shit is not FTL, is that easy
@@estebanmedinad8370people have moved as someone aims at them and the bullet misses due to that movement it's not impossible
Goji spoiling us with two videos in just two days
Indeed he is
I once had the thought that Syndrome would be the good guy if he was in The Boys
Syndrome and Butcher team up is killing every supe
amazing video. i actually made the omnidroid v.X4 art at 12:10. really glad that ive been able to contribute to the incredibles online ethos lol. keep up the great videos!
Invincible > The Boys but great powersacle!
I honestly didn't like the newer season of Invincible all that much, and Amber sucked all of s1. I have less complaints about The Boys, tbh. Although, I would actually personally prefer not having the weird, graphic sexual stuff. I skip those scenes. And to be clear, like I watch XXX and play AVNs, but The Boys basically does some kink bs I'm not into lmao
@Paradox-es3bl I hated the treatment of Huey. He got sexually assaulted and raped right after killing his dad. He didn't know it was a shape-shifter and wanted to but it was still rape. I feel like if they did that to Starlight people would be in an uproar about it
17:46 Bro the babysitter is faster than everyone in the Boys lmao. She needs her own show or something.
You're quite the boys fanatic and I can't lie to myself and tell this isn't entertaining😂
Nice work and keep bringing more of this for the power scaling community and strengthen our image
One thing I always take issue with for Homelander scaling is the escape velocity thing. He can fly. He could reach space going a meter a minute.
Yeah, pretty weird statement. Powerscalers tend to make extreme conclusions from very broad statements like that without actually understading the science (or rather, scifi).
It's especially weird because everything else in show gives the idea of Homelander being around Mach 3-10. "Seeing Vought Tower from space" could mean any number of things. Could mean from the stratosphere, the exosphere, anything in between, or even from the moon. It doesn't even denote a speed of any kind.
@@brunitop4753 I saw a comment say in season one Homelander's speed feats put him at mach 50. 🤦♂️
@@brunitop4753 In a deleted scene, replaced by the wanking one, he flew to space. Assuming they didn't cut away this probably means he reached space between anywhere from 1 minute to 30 seconds. I agree it shouldn't be taken at face value, given that he is self propelling, but it is not by any means ridiculous. Given what Stan Edgar said in the rest of that scene, it's pretty certain that he went to space as he didn't call Homelander out on it. Assuming it took him about a minute to get to the exosphere, that puts him at about mach 25. Not arguing he doesn't lose to a lot of people, I just feel like people lowball him arbitrarily. Glad you brought up this point.
Thank you Goji for making this!
Factual take bro
@@MULTIVERSAL_MASHUPS There my 🐐 is
Goat
THE MVP RESPONDED 🗣🗣🗣
Dang, it's you! I'm a big fan of your work. I know all about you and your incredible edits and debates. Your Conquestor edit is so powerful, and the aura you create is amazing.
I'm also tired of people downplaying Mr. Incredible reaction speed and saying he doesn't scale to Hypershock. Your insights and edits have been really inspiring, and I appreciate the effort you put into your work. Keep it up!
@@darylyee7776 thanks man! I appreciate the kind words
"unscathed from factory explosion." shows homelander coughing blood
That was from the hostages he had just murdered
*Coughed and was covered in other people's blood
Starlighter propaganda smh
Goji: “The seven have rolled with being the Greek Gods.”
Meanwhile Homelander vs Thor and Kratos “I can do whatever the fuck I wan…”
*is turned into red mist before he can finish the sentence”
Thor ain't greek he's norse
@@GhostGamerX4566ik but it’s the joke
@@ZCommander "but its the joke"
@@ZCommander yh I know
To be fair, starlight couldn't use her powers in the fight against deep. So unfair statment, but nothing bad, nice video
Also tbf, deep hardly ever has access to the ocean
@@broggy52Deep doesn’t gain strength from the sea unless I’m mistaken. All he can do is talk to fish.
@@EdmundiumHitting indeed, but it is his terrain or whatever. Also enhance ocean life
@@broggy52 But he would have had an advantege in the wather, fair enough
@@Hakersmith ye, exactly, neither of em are in their element
Goji-Chronic: Incredibles vs The Seven| NOT EVEN CLOSE
Starlight's face honest reaction: 🗿
Do Jack's lazer eyes actually fire at light speed? Looked like in the freeze frame Jack Jack had to charge it up, and the fact that there is more than one frame for the laser to travel is evidence that it isn't actually light-speed.
Syndrome's files did list a hero that lost to an older Omni-Droid as being able to cause earthquakes. So that's some further upscale.
13:14 This makes so much sense because Bob’s powers I always assumed were more like Hulks were he will gain the strength he needs when he needs it.
Great video.
I would have to disagree with some of the seven scaling for the high-tiers and not sure if I fully buy the Incredibles speed scaling.
However, this was a great video nonetheless.
What do u disagree with?
Remember NO CAPES
Kronos what a wonderful password.
0:46 those jokes made me laugh.
Rip Gazerbeam, Kronos.
I feel like Homelander would be faster than Bob but that Bob would be able to shake off his blows relatively easily and knock him out. I think the problem would be if Homelander used his flight considering none of the Incredibles are really equipped to deal with that. Violet would have to shield them from his laser and dive attacks while they come up with a way to take him out.
It'd be a very interesting fight for sure, but yeah the Incredibles come out on top.
Flying isn't really that op against the Incredibles though, Mr. Incredible could throw things at him to hurt or entangle him... like his wife, and Frozone has a ranged attack that could at the very least stun him for a sec.
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Hmm, I don't think it'd be OP, I just think it'd be harder for them to win. With him on the ground, I think Bob could take him low to mid dif.
I'm not sure how effective those would be.
I've only seen S1 so I'm not sure how effective the envirement is against Homelander. Like if Bob threw a car at him, would his strength boost it or would it just be like if a car hit him. Cause that wouldn't do any damage.
As for throwing Elastigirl, I don't know, wouldn't his lasers hurt her? I feel like they probably would. But yeah if she could grab him and hold him in a way he couldn't laser her that'd work. But it'd be tricky with how fast he is.
With Frozone, yeah that'd trip him up. He can freeze stuff really fast since he froze the bullet in the movie, I don't think it'd hurt him much, but I think it'd cause him to fall or create an opening for the others.
@@Jacob-WD40 Bob could definitely hurt him with the strength he's displayed, Homelander has been hurt by "heroes" weaker them him in the show, and Bob has stronger feats then Homelander already, and how fast an object is going affects how much it will hurt you, even if the material itself is not enough to pierce skin, because of the momentum causing concussive damage.
@@markusnixon3156
Gotcha, I was thinking in terms of no matter how hard you throw a balloon it won't hurt cause it lacks the density.
But I think your right, it's more like a gun. Throwing a bullet won't do much damage cause it doesn't have much weight, but at the speeds a bullet goes it does a lot of damage.
Basically, Bob would be throwing the car so hard it'd be like Homelander got shot with a bullet the size of a car. Nice X)
@@Jacob-WD40 Yeah, and Bob can literally knock around an Omnidroid weighing an estimated *thousands* of tons, he might be able to even hurt Homelander by throwing a regular football, at the expense of the football obviously! XP
Kronos. A real incredibles fan here and i am glad you gave them the credit the deserve in this man
that was a lame password also how did gazarbeam find out the password
Kronos
Agree, and if Jack Jack matures then he can probably solo the 7 which is hilarious
Yo new video so quick massive w
They faced that big robot, The Seven wouldn't face anything like Syndrome's bot that kills supers
Speaking of Kronos, Syndrome vs Homelander would be an interesting matchup. And also how much could Homelander match up to either Omni-droid version?
Real talk, a fight like this where its a actual Super Hero team vs a group of Corrupt Supes is literally the sort of thing that they would make a movie about for the Incredibles tbh
Also
Kronos
Bro is not getting tired of throwing bangers
Honestly agree with all the scaling here and the points of why not scale em that high
Might have disagreed last time but seeing more explanation of his reasoning I have changed my mind
I have no idea the context of your comment, but good on you for being open to changing your mind with more data, there's a fair few commenter here that aren't so respectable! 😄
Truly amazing to have 2 videos this week
I'm surprised you did not mention something in the Incredibles lore. The basics is, similar to how Homelander scales above all other heroes in his verse, same could be said for Mr. Incredible. In fact, Bob's strength is high enough that the NSA labelled his tier as "Mega-Strength", which is exclusive to him. So any of the old heroes (in the Incredibles) with superhuman strength would, by proxy, scale under him by definition.
This would make one HELL of a fight scene, that's for sure.
Video Idea: Yuji Itadori (Jujutsu Kaisen) vs Denji (Chainsaw Man)
Also KRONOS
I don’t know why but I find the idea HILARIOUS that the deep just gets one tapped by dash
one other thing to bring up, is that i'm pretty sure that Mr and Mrs incredible have WAY more experience fighting superpowered foes
We meed the Fortnite Seven vs The Boys Seven. It would truly be a kronotic video
Absolute Fire video dude
And thank you for including me🙏
You deserve 100k subs
We will get there by next year for sure!
@@Goji-C 70% away I think
Also one of bob's abillites is being able to sense incoming danger aka Precognition.
I'd argue the Incredibles can get even higher than their current scaling, since Hypershock has his earthquale max at 6.0 with his fists, yet he has hammers to boost up his powers to an unknown degree, which brings the idea of a hypothetical 10.0 richter Mr Incredible and honestly that's so damn funny to me, just imagining Homelander flying and punching Bob just for Bob to punch him hard enough to destroy the landscape in the vicinity
would mr incredible blind homelander once he realises that psycho has laser vision because i personally do not believe homelander would have his eyes before the end of the fight
@@Jamlord2061 In theory, yes, since we've seen how a bloodlusted Mr Incredible is with Evelyn's goggles and he's rather brutal with his strength, plus as seen in the first movie he gets "amped" with his emotions, since he couldn't lift the Omnidroid until he saw Violet about to die stomped by it
And of course we know he has some experience with laser vision since Jack Jack exists and Gazer Beam was one of his partners in his hero team, being Bob himself the one that recruited him
Don't forget that in some official comic book Mr Incredible lifts a massive submarine (a large submarine can weigh from thousands to tens of thousands of tons). Though it should be noted that he was in his prime. Still, none of characters in The Boys verse have a strength feat even close to that.
The one big difference is that the incredibles work as a team, the seven work as a photo shoot
The Thundermans vs the Incredibles ??🧐
Thats a good fight
@@BullerPersonincredibles solo
@@ri13h44uhhh
I don't recall any good feats from the Thundermans, unless there's like a one-off quote about how Mr. Thunderman shook a mountain, then they're probably losing this
@@callmefleet noras lazers can reach the moon but thats basically it
Cronos. Also i was pleasantly surprised by the incredibles scaling great vid overall.
I'd agree with the video so far when it comes to homelanders scaling, as even with the little H-bomb stuff that's almost entirely town level range, and is broad within itself. Along with the fact the other statement comes from a more then likely lying stillwell based on the fact homelander is still hurt by city-town level attacks pretty consistently. So anything above large town is a big stretch especially mountain. But now I'm curious to see the incredibles end.
Kronos
Also extremely glad to see my favorite superheroes (I’m an Incredibles fanboy. What can I say?) win a confrontation like this! Excellent work, as always, Goji-Chronic.
Imagine Butcher and Syndrome team up
Can't believe I wasn't subbed up until now
Also, when I heard the Incredibles speed meta, I knew it was over for the seven
9:11 I’d like to point out that it’s possible that Syndrome utilized his weaknesses to defeat him. The Omni might not scale to, y’know, Town or city range durability.
The Omnidroid model 04 defeated Hypershock, showing a high level of durability and AP. Even with weaknesses exploited, the Omnidroid had to counter Hypershock’s earthquake abilities. Mr. Incredible defeating the more advanced model 08 suggests he's at least on par with Hypershock in strength and durability. With a threat rating of 9.1, Mr. Incredible is rated higher than Hypershock (7.5) and Gamma Jack (7.9). in the training sessions with Omnidroids were direct combat, not just sneak attacks. The Kronos database shows Omnidroids were made to push heroes to their limits, proving their durability and power. Universal Man, with max indestructibility, was killed by Omnidroid model 01, showing even the strongest heroes can be defeated.
This supports that both Omnidroids and the heroes who defeat them can have town level ap.
Bruh, first Captain Murica vs Soulja Boi? Now this? I’m eatin. I’d honestly love to have a scaling video on Jotaro or a matchup like Gojo vs Jotaro now
Okay but are you counting Jack Jack?
The 7 are all the weakest archetype of their power / character there based off of except soldier boy. Thats not just compared to dc and marvel but most if not all the other comics and publishers as well
Isn't black noir based off of Batman and more openly superhuman?
@@nikodeherrera8274 Well you can scale Batman around or even above him and the skill difference is insane.
@@nikodeherrera8274 While Batman definitely wins, I think you are still right, they made Noir strangely strong for what archetype he plays.
Noir is Deadpool/snakeyes
@@internettraveler8666 I may be just misunderstanding what your comment means, but Noir is nowhere near as powerful as Deadpool?
YOO... it's been so long since I've seen that game. Damn childhood memories be getting me.
7:49 that's a hax ability. It's not like she can put the full power of that storm into a punch; it's just a bonus ability unrelated to physical strength.
I feel like you really don’t understand the meaning of the term “glass cannon”
I refuse to believe Homelander will harm them, they don't deserve that,
they won, WOOHOO
Kronos
It's hard to believe homelander would touch anyone outside of his verse
@@Keith_Norman true dat
2 vids in 2 days goji is a 10/10 youtuber
Two back to back boys vids?? I feel spoiled
Every video gets better than the last, always.
(Detroit Become Human) Connor vs (Fallout 4) Nick Valentine
Only one minute since the video was made
It’s illegal to be this early
Ikr
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Dropping already
Can you do the Thundermans Vs the Seven (or one of them versus Homelander) next?
15:00 electric currents do not move through air at 90% if lightspeed. It's closer to hundreds of times the speed of sound.
That Island Fight in the first Incredibles, when the whole family comes together, is a vastly underrated scene. Sure it only lasts about 30 seconds before Syndrome breaks it up. Still, the teamwork the family displays on thwir very first outing is absolutely insane. They know instinctively how their powers compliment each other.
Imo, the Incredibles have the best team dynamic in all of superhero lore, including the Fantastic Four. (To be clear, i don't know that they would beat FF, but their teamwork specifically is off the charts).
you didnt talk about Mr Incredible future sight. Yeah he has that
I’m advocating for Show HomeLander vs MCU Spider-Man
Homelander kidnapps the baby to try and use as a hostage the baby crys and fires lazer eyes one shoting Homelander GG
Absolutely fire and I was scared that my childhood goats were about to get wrecked CHRONOS
jack jack alone solos with such little difficulty its actually insane
Now do this with the Thundermans (one of em can fly to the whole ass sun)
starlight had just gotten out of confinement when noir ambushed her, then she got distracted by lamplighter's corpse. she was also trying to run away, not fight, but noir's travel speed is better. plus, he wasn't reveling in kicking her ass like the deep was, so she had fewer chances to land any hits.
but once starlight kicked the deep in the balls he got serious and ragdolled her to the point she couldn't even crawl away from his overdramatic ahh foot.
AND the deep beat her by landing fewer hits (seriously go count them) while arguably holding back for most of the fight.
so yeah, noir ain't beating a-train
In the short, I think her reacting to the Lazer eyes is more so just a gag than a feat, but I feel like the incredibles should still have that general range of speed
Catching the omindroid Mk 10 is equivalent to 840 elephants…
Once again requesting "Could Omni-Man beat OK K.O.?"
Here's a wild idea..
Tobey Spidey, Jackman Wolverine, and Chris Evans/ Rogers Cap (with or without Mjolnir) vs the S2 lineup of The Seven
Or Fox/DP & W Wolverine vs show Homelander
The only one who can do damage is Mr. Incredible from The Incredibles family
Imagine the horror The Boys would be feeling. They were just attacked by The Seven or Homelander, and then Mr Incredible, a character who's twice the size of most of the seven members shows up.
Please do Hulk vs Godzilla! It's one of the most famous Godzilla matchup for a lot of reasons!