We ordered a 2022 Prime seventeen months ago and it's still not here. Seems we'll be waiting at least another three months. The initial delay pleased us as we'd far prefer to have the redesigned 2023. However, we'll likely now get a 2024 (at least Toyota might eliminate that plate mount by then). This will be our third Prius. The first two, not very handsome, but very economical and reliable. However, we are seriously considering walking away from the deal because of what we know will be extra cost for us. We were quoted $ 39,330 for the 22 and offered $ 10,000 for our current ten+ year old Prius C (nearly half of what we paid when new). But a 2024 will mean we'll be paying for two model year price increases and in addition, it's not likely Toyota will still "pay" us the ten grand trade-in some two years on. We're both retired now so, reducing our gas consumption isn't as important from a financial standpoint. We still wish very much to reduce our GHG production but, our resources are limited. Might make more sense for us to look for a cheaper high gas mileage car. Which is a shame as with a 2024 Prime we'd never use gas again.
@@thomaslawlor4200 Boy I must have gotten lucky. October 8th, 2021. My 2017 Prius got totaled with 187,000 miles on it. That week there was still 2017 Priuses out their with 30,000 miles on for $22,000. They literally went away in a week. After being jerked around by local Toyota dealers. I called no less then 25 dealers with a very short proposal. Prius trim level 3. MSRP.. off the boat, and I don't care if I wait a year. November 5th I put $500 down and February 8th, 2022 . I picked up the car from a dealer that I had to drive 225 miles to get to. Was at the dealer less then 30 minutes. They asked if I wanted to test drive it. I asked why?? it is a Prius. 8 miles on the odometer and a $27,800 check. I drove away. I did have to pay Iowa sales tax of $1,700 when the car got registered. The other drivers insurance refused to cut me a check till my totaled car got sold for salvage in March, Now that is BS.
The AWD XLE is the best value. Primes are expensive and hard to find. The extra power and EV range is very nice to have on the Prime, though. Wish Toyota could make more
The good news is that in 2025 their new battery plant in NC starts production. It's capacity will be 30GWh annually. That's enough for 2.2 million 13.6KWh battery packs (the size of the Prius Prime's pack). Obviously much of this capacity will go towards EVs with larger batteries, but hopefully Toyota keeps pushing PHEVs and reserves much of their battery production for HEVs and PHEVs. I still think PHEVs are the ideal powertrain option for most Americans. Enough battery to get through your daily commute on electricity but with an efficient gas engine for longer trips and the unexpected.
Thank you, great review! I`ve driven Toyota Prius the last 15 years and are overall very satisfied and happy. It`s time for a upgrade and THIS will be my next car! Can`t wait! Keep up the good work!
I was able to get a Yellow Prime 🇨🇦 this summer, fantastic car. 🙂. Btw, there is a hidden Mute button - just hold the MODE button for a second and it will Mute or Pause your audio, depending on source. 😉
The prius back seat ceiling is touching my head and i am only 5 feet 10 inches. Luggage space is much smaller than my corolla. With a cost of around 42 K# CAN This is not acceptable for me
i love my 2019 Ioniq PHEV, hatchback, very roomy, my only complaint is the 27 mile EV range but other than that, it's the perfect PHEV with 650+ mile total range it's insane
I have had my 2023 Prius Prime XSE for 4 months and love it. It took 5 months and $3500 extra to get it, but I’d do it again. For my last 150 miles, I used about 20 miles of gas and the rest EV. Highly recommended!
When you leave the remote key (keyless entry system) at home, keep it at least 3 meters (10 feet) away from the car or the 12V battery will go up/flat. When the remote key is brought within 3 meters, the electric power system will be activated.
Will be sought after once they have 40k miles on them and are at $22-$17k. Ppl buying into these prius are ppl who never had one..... 30% of returning prius owners bc prius owners usually skip a generation or ride there's to the wheels fall off. I just put new one on my 2nd and keep rolling at 280k miles with 1 battery change at 190k battery change to life time warranty (bean) battery now. Once the motor goes when ever that happens I'll put a JDM one in give it to my kid and maybe.... get the 2023-2024 model (3-5 years from now😂)
But a lot of little things begin to breakdown after about 15 years on the Prius too. I drove my 2004 Prius until last month when I got my 2023 Prius Prime XSE Premium at MSRP. It had 281,480 miles on it. Had two hybrid battery replacements. The second one this year through Bean too--good company. However, this year, I started getting the problem of the blacked out guage cluster. It happened 3 times this year. There is a hack work a round and it worked every time, but made me uneasy because I didn't know if the next time it was dead for good. The Media Information Display was also acting up. The glovebox had a broken hinge. The driver's sun visor hinge was not working well. The passenger door's power window motor began failing too, but the car still ran well. Still, it was time to move on. My Prius served me well, and I took very good care of it too I donated it to a non profit.
@mrxman581 anything over 180k miles for a toyota is good 220k miles plus is GREAT! With in the time frame of having a vehicle 5-12 years (most toyota owners time of ownership) if you spend $7,000 I feel that a win. Compared to most other vehicles brands $7,000 is a minimum 3-5 year ownership repairs for a 30k car. Any thing over 40k vehicle will be added $2,000-$5,000 every 10k on sticker priced vehicles (50k,60k,70k,80k). Still a very good life spand 281,480 miles!
Those used cars are still more expensive than new. At 40k miles and a year or 2 old my guess would be only $5k of depreciation. They are absolutely not making enough either, which will keep new and used prices high.
@@mrxman581 15 years out of a vehicle is insanely good, my 2005 Prius I have now just turned 18 (coming up on 19 in a month). I had to replace the hybrid battery (refurbished and installed on site was $850 from a local repair guy, said it will last 3 years). Also had to replace the rear shocks, but I've only replaced the brakes one time (I'm at 180k miles). I'd be wanting another prius if it wasn't for a 2 year wait, considering a RAV4 hybrid and a few other hybrid SUVs.
By using the gas engine will that charge the electric motors? Also, if I don't want to use the EV mode, can I get by just the gas engine option with no charge ups? Excellent video.
The car sucks, Interior too small, "A" pillar too steep, hard to get into and out of, guage cluster too hard to see, upright infotainment center is too upright, cargo area smaller, back door handle on "C" pillar, interior looks cheap, volume dial for radio on passenger side. They should have keep the interior from the last generation while adding the preformance of the new model. One out of five stars.
Very nice. But full of hype. A nice $25k economy car. Keep your car for 2 more years. Hyper competitive market will return. Hype and price premia will disappear.
Today we learned that we could not replace a tire on our 2023 Prius that was destroyed by a pothole. We have to order the tire. It will take a week to get it. It's like the key Toyota will never provide. DO NOT BUY THIS VEHICLE! (Or better, buy ours: we'll give you $5000 off the list price, and it has only 3500 total miles on it.)
Fortunately, we did buy a spare (which does not fit "nicely" at all). But the donut tire cannot be used except for short runs. We had to wait a week for a replacement tire because it is not a standard size.@@ac14081408
LOVE our 2018 2.7 Tacoma after I used engineering to reduce friction in the motor by 18 % for good performance. Love the Prime Prius but the insurance cost for EV's and Hybrid steal the gas mpg savings. My truck 1800.oo per year and Prius would be 800.00 for hydro and gas per year but add in another 1500. for Hybrid car insurance and I'm losing 500.00 bucks. All this romance doesn't add up to savings for a Jewish man. lol
I am watching this video because I miss my car. I took delivery of a Prius Prime XSE Premium at the beginning of September, and I got rear-ended by an idiot in a landscaping truck with a trailer in the beginning of October. I had my beautiful Prius for only 1 month before it got clobbered. Last I heard the repair estimate was $21.5K, I am hoping to get it back from the body shop in a few weeks now. But I love this car! My previous car was a 2008 Corolla LE with a manual transmission that I bought new. This Prius was SUCH an improvement!!! The rental car I have been given is a Camry SE, and it makes me miss my Prius even more. I hate the hesitation it has when you press on the accelerator hard, it takes about 1.5 seconds to think about it and shift and finally give you some acceleration. The adaptive cruise control works differently, and it feels less stable on the road. My Prius outperforms both this Camry and the Corolla and got better mileage than either. I had it for 1 month, put 1094 miles on it, and never filled the tank from empty before I was hit. I charged it every night, and it would take me to work on battery (still out-performing the Corolla by a large margin) and then take me 10 miles towards home before the engine kicked in. I loved the stability on the road, I loved the features like the warning lights on the mirrors that indicated a car nearby, and I just, overall, loved that car. I am sickened by what has happened to it and by its absence from my life.
@@sentryion3106Yeah, I wanted it totalled and replaced, but the insurance company wants to fix it. California has a law that when something like this happens you must ve paid for the "diminished value" of the car, because with a severe accident on its record it is not worth as much. Insurance companies use a "17C" formula which appears to have ben written my insurance companies and for insurance companies. It caps the calculation at 15% of the car's value and then puts on modifiers to reduce that amount.I figure the MOST that calculation will give me is about $4K. You can adjust that amount in court. small claims first, but they cap it at $10K. You can appeal it and go for more, but then it is more of a crap shoot.
I bought a 2021 Prime new, prior to Covid. Almost half the car was paid for with tax credits and incentives. Great car. I get 60 MPG even when driven as a regular Hybrid.
@@sunshadow9704 There is some joy when I put gas in it every 4 months or so. I'll drive close to 2k miles and when I fill up it take 8 or 9 gallons. Now if I need more joy than that I'll hop in my E39 M5 and go for a spin :)
@@sunshadow9704 Why settle for an expensive car that can only half ass both economy and sportiness? I own a shitty civic and looking to replace it with the new Prius but also a bolt on C5 Corvette Z06. When you really get life figured out thats how you roll... Stop trying to flex on people looking to get a really nice, reliable car. But just be honest with yourself, you bought a BMW because of the badge.
They messed up the US prime version interior vs the Canadian version which looks like the regular Prius (silver metallic trim and blue light strip) . The red plastic and red trim (not light color) on the seats look tacky. hard pass
I got the Non Prime AWD XLE and it is an amazing car. I made a video on how to buy and install an OEM spare tire into it. With the non prime models you have enough space to include one.
It's a non issue. There are more than enough adjustments between the steering wheel and the seat to make it work. I'm 5'-11" and can see all the gauge cluster information from a very comfortable driving position.
Nice single driver, use seats for groceries and or gear! Price-forget-about-it. Repairs and availability, painful. So, probably losing 10-15% of a growing EV interest. Something gotta give, volume ain’t gonna do it here.
A Prius for people who hate the Prius. It removes everything I love about my mk3 Prius and panders to the people who never got what made the Prius a great car in the first place.This thing is over priced, over-engineered and totally impractical. It's no more a Prius than the Mach-e is a Mustang. I'll probably still buy one :)
Test drove this and overall they almost had it. The instrument cluster is a fail and the fit and finish of the interior is not up to par. The model i tested was top trim only missing the gimmicky solar panel and was sticker priced at 45k. I personally wouldn't pay that as i feel that's luxury vehicle territory. If it was priced 35-38k, then that would be reasonable for this.
Took 7 months of grinding and ultimately a 2,000 mile round trip to get our 23 Prime XSE Premium w/solar roof but it was SO worth it. Absolutely love this car! Thanks for the review!
650$ for a solar roof. 46 kwh for 4500 miles of travel. Now cross multiply for a 300000 mile life span of a well maintained car, you get about 3100 kwh. 3100 kwh multiplied by 15 cents per kwh only = 465 dollars of electricity. You just got scammed.
lol wut, these calculations make no sense. Firstly Prius is about 4mi/kwh. Secondly the calculations should be how much electricity you save per day of sun roof. It comes out to about 1kwh worth a day. That adds up over 10 years.
@@jimhigens5464yeah but when they go off grid, run out of gas, and there's no cell reception or the phones get chomped on by a bear, you can't put a price on the solar power saving them from by allowing them to instead get back to civilization. Those without solar would not be able to do this and thus have to resort to cannibalism.
Matt, You are correct. Our son just purchased a 2025 Camry LE for $30k and he is netting 53 mpg on the interstate moving 70 mph. The Camry also has a bigger motor.
Prob the best hybrid in the world all it needs a factory based price awd and is a rocket in a car design to bad bz4 is selling factory know how mishandle same VW corupt stories in xpeng
Disappointing that the handling is sharp, but the ride is now too firm! Toyota should have two separate trims: (1) a normal luxury trim with softer spring and damper rates and chrome trims etc, and a (2) sports trim with firmer spring and damper rates with blacked trims and sports seats etc.
Backseats and cargo space are worthless. Kia Niro plug in has twice the cargo space and useable backseats for less money plus 50 mpg and 33 miles of all electric range. Toyota compromised too much to make the Prius “sexy”
😉Ordered my prius prime active(SE version for usa)in Italy!this august!Telling me that i must wait 5 to 6 months to get her!short times,anyway,he told me!!The dealer call me today!you'r car is here!😁I love my Europe!❤and Japan!
Drag coefficient is an important metric that measures the aerodynamic resistance of a car. I was really surprised to see that it increased in the new model, as I expected it to be lower or the same as the old model. However, Toyota claims that this car has less drag surface due to its design, which means that the overall efficiency is as good as or better than the old model. This is because the drag force depends not only on the drag coefficient, but also on the frontal area and the speed of the car. Therefore, a car with a higher drag coefficient but a smaller frontal area can have the same or lower drag force as a car with a lower drag coefficient but a larger frontal area, if they have the same speed. This is how Toyota explains the improved efficiency of the new model, despite the higher drag coefficient.
😎 I love ❤ the Center instrument cluster. Never blocked. All Hybrids should be this way. The Big block touch screen is too big. And loss of headroom feels cramped. Gen 3 was the best version
Can’t wait for a few years when everyone comes out and hates this car. The internet is a lie. When I seen the phantom menace is 99 I loved it . But after a couple weeks the internet told me I should hate it. Currently everyone is giddy over this gen . Just wait…
Prius is #1 on our list for 2025. But not the Prime. It doesn't work for us and there's little value for the added cost in our situation. The only other vehicle we're interested in is the Honda HR-V Hybrid.
Do you think someone like me who commutes just under 40 miles for work a day and can charge it would be a better fit? I was pretty much sold on the standard version but the more I think about it, never having to go to a gas station sounds pretty freaking nice... Also it would save me even money down the road when gas eventually goes back up.
@@CrossWindsPat Whether I go with a regular hybrid v. mixed hybrid/electric is all about my own unique situation. In my case, we have family that we travel to regularly and stay with for exended periods at 3 different locations 1500-2500 miles apart. Am I going to put chargers at all 3 locales? NOPE! Do I want to embark on crosscountry 1000+ mile treks across the Mojave, the Rockies, or the Appalachians in winter and depend on charging stations that may not be working? NO WAY! But, if I was living a commuting lifestyle, with a strictly ordained daily commuting schedule; electric would look great to me, except for the "buy-in" cost. If I'm making a $100k, with a small family, I would spring for an electric in a few years when range is 400+ miles and charging times are reduced to 30mins max. But we're not there yet, for a modestly priced (under $40k) E-car. So, If l was in your boots, l'd save the $$$ and buy a regular hybrid now, then go full electric by 2030. I'm betting the E-car world will be extremely different in 6 years. Good luck. Many happy and affordable miles!!!
Note on the Level 2 charging speed: The Prius Prime includes a ~3.3 kW onboard charger. Some plug-in hybrids with comparable battery capacities include a ~6.7 kW onboard charger (e.g. the Honda Clarity which is, unfortunately, no longer sold). It would've been nice for Toyota to include a higher-power charger, especially for people who live in apartments and rely on public charging infrastructure. Those extra 2 hours make quite a difference!
Toyota purposely installed a 3.3 kW/h onboard charger in the 5th Gen Prius Prime to extend the life of the traction battery long term and to reduce the incidence of battery degradation caused by using high powered charging facilities - and this Prius Prime will likely be charged daily for the most economical modus operandi of the vehicle. The BMS on this Prius will also be top notch. Slower charging means the battery will last much, much longer - indeed, practically the projected lifespan of the car.
@@datathunderstormDon’t know about the Prius. But for Tesla, in the beginning everyone was worried that supercharging too much would degrade the battery. Now that we have enough data, it turns out that supercharging doesn’t have much impact on the battery life. It’s perfectly fine to use the superchargers if you don’t have charging at home. The downside is paying more for electricity.
I haven't hit my head yet. The seat moves back when you open the door to get out (at least the upper trim levels do, not sure about the base trim). It's not the clearance of the 4th gen Prius. The back seat is another story though!
I like this car a lot, but eventually I found a 2020 Hyundai Preowned Ioniq preowned plugin hybrid limited trim which looks really nice too and much lower in price😊, 29 miles EV range is not bad at all
Prime plugins good for short city or daily work driver. Long road trips no. When the bigger battery drains after 30+ miles, you are hauling that heavy dead batt to your destination.
Are there any limitations for using it in full EV mode, like speed? Or as long as battery is fully charged you can go full EV mode in city and highway?
By default, it's automatic and seamlessly switches to hybrid ICE when the battery runs out. No speed limitations, though I feel the acceleration is way faster (and silent) with battery. You can switch to different modes at any time. The Prius (and Rav4 Prime) reserves 10% during normal usage even when it's indicated fully depleted to prevent battery from fully discharging and to assist in essential functions.
No thank you. I'll keep my 2017 Gen 2 Chevy Volt. 53 miles on electric before the 1.6 banger kicks in. Worst mistake Chevy made was discontinuing it in 2019.
I find that powerful front wheel drive cars are limited by wheel spin. I imagine the less expensive AWD model would be the better choice overall, but I haven't driven one, although we had an Audi that was essentially a gussied up VW Golf, with a turbo 4 cylinder, and that was the case for that car, in my experience.
The previous prime is better in almost every aspect. The extra 10 ev only range isn’t a thing if you can plug in a lot. I have hud. Better rear visibility due to extra window. More room inside. I can see my gauges! Blue magnetism is gorgeous. I don’t care about apple carplay as I use Bluetooth for music. I also have the charger schedule which they took away. Looks matter but not at expensive of room
@@ShiftingLanesCurrently most chargers are not CCS. However, this ia a car that makes no sense to charge at public chargers on a long trip unless it's at a hotel/motel where you can leave it plugged in overnight. It just charges too slowly to plug it in while you go eat, shop, or see a movie. You're going to charge it when you get home anyway. If home charging is not available, I wouldn't recommend a Prius Prime. Just get the regular Prius. This is coming from someone who has the new Prime. Yeah, I have a 2023 Prius Prime XSE Premium.
Our son just bought a Camry LE 2025 for $30k He is getting 53 mpg on the freeway. Why would anyone buy a Prius when the Camry has almost the same economy, no markup’s and more room for passengers.
I owned 2 Prius (Prii?)...a 2008 (2nd Gen) and 2013 (3rd Gen). Both were great...economical and dead reliable (drove the 2008 to 200k and the 2013 to 115k). I'm now older and retired. I had occasion to sit in one of these at a local dealership (they had one for a VERY short time). Although obviously a beautiful car it was MISERABLE to get in and out for this old guy (it's considerably lower than previous models with a 2 inch lower roof height). I also thought it felt cramped particularly in the rear seat legroom area. It looks nice but a definite pass for this old guy.
I applaud Toyota for not ditching physical buttons for touch screen and touch sensitive controls. Almost all other automakers have gone Tesla copy cat, Good for Toyota sticking to their core design.
I've owned 2 prius previously, and both got their advertised mpg, consistently. I don't have the new gen yet, but I can't imagine it to be different. I would recommend contacting the dealer.
Waited 15 months for a Prius Prime XSE and it is a massive improvement over our 2013 plug in Prius. Totally agree with the exterior design being great and it’s a joy to drive. Only complaint is the user interface design of the instrument cluster and multimedia system. Both are awful and the ridiculous acronyms used for Toyota Safety Sense on the instrument cluster are in fact quintessential bad design.
Great video.. concise and to the point. Love your format!! Thank you for sharing. SHAME SHAME ON TOYOTA for not building NEAR enough of these cars to satisfy demand. I live in Atlanta... there are 2... 2 cars within the entire Metro Atlanta area encompassing 27 Toyota dealers. 2 cars on the lot. That's a big FAIL for Toyota.
None in CA for 6 months! Toyota is so stupid, they can sell so many of these if they just made some to sell in the US! I’m referring to the Top of the Line Plug in model with Leather and bigger screen
I had trouble seeing the instrument cluster in bright sunlight. It’s not bright enough. I simple hood extending over the display to shade it would make it much more readable. I’m actually surprised no one else seems to have this problem
Nice looking, finally from Toyota idk what their design studio has been smoking. I won't be back though after bad warranty experience with highlander vvti issue they would not honor.
The Prius Prime can already do that and more if you drive it in EV only mode most of the time The issue is transitioning away from ICE and fossil fuels, and not continue to make them more efficient. It's an EOL product. Toyota already gave ICE cars an extended life with the introduction of the hybrid synergy drive 20+ years ago.
no spare tire. no antiglare heated outside mirrors. mine is beautiful and handles great but would not have purchased if knew these two features lacking.
Don’t waste your time trying to buy one, most dealership has none in stock, and if they did, there’s a $5000 markup.
We ordered a 2022 Prime seventeen months ago and it's still not here. Seems we'll be waiting at least another three months. The initial delay pleased us as we'd far prefer to have the redesigned 2023. However, we'll likely now get a 2024 (at least Toyota might eliminate that plate mount by then). This will be our third Prius. The first two, not very handsome, but very economical and reliable. However, we are seriously considering walking away from the deal because of what we know will be extra cost for us. We were quoted $ 39,330 for the 22 and offered $ 10,000 for our current ten+ year old Prius C (nearly half of what we paid when new). But a 2024 will mean we'll be paying for two model year price increases and in addition, it's not likely Toyota will still "pay" us the ten grand trade-in some two years on. We're both retired now so, reducing our gas consumption isn't as important from a financial standpoint. We still wish very much to reduce our GHG production but, our resources are limited. Might make more sense for us to look for a cheaper high gas mileage car. Which is a shame as with a 2024 Prime we'd never use gas again.
Went to a dealer and it's $45k.... Thanks but no thanks I can get a used M3 for that and just enjoy myself a bit more and pay to play
@@diydrivenGA Actually, for that you could get a brand new Model Y and have it in a week or two
In our jurisdiction, like many others, you only get one plate.................. @@phillipbanes5484
@@thomaslawlor4200 Boy I must have gotten lucky. October 8th, 2021. My 2017 Prius got totaled with 187,000 miles on it. That week there was still 2017 Priuses out their with 30,000 miles on for $22,000. They literally went away in a week. After being jerked around by local Toyota dealers. I called no less then 25 dealers with a very short proposal. Prius trim level 3. MSRP.. off the boat, and I don't care if I wait a year. November 5th I put $500 down and February 8th, 2022 . I picked up the car from a dealer that I had to drive 225 miles to get to. Was at the dealer less then 30 minutes. They asked if I wanted to test drive it. I asked why?? it is a Prius. 8 miles on the odometer and a $27,800 check. I drove away. I did have to pay Iowa sales tax of $1,700 when the car got registered. The other drivers insurance refused to cut me a check till my totaled car got sold for salvage in March, Now that is BS.
The AWD XLE is the best value. Primes are expensive and hard to find. The extra power and EV range is very nice to have on the Prime, though. Wish Toyota could make more
The good news is that in 2025 their new battery plant in NC starts production. It's capacity will be 30GWh annually. That's enough for 2.2 million 13.6KWh battery packs (the size of the Prius Prime's pack).
Obviously much of this capacity will go towards EVs with larger batteries, but hopefully Toyota keeps pushing PHEVs and reserves much of their battery production for HEVs and PHEVs. I still think PHEVs are the ideal powertrain option for most Americans. Enough battery to get through your daily commute on electricity but with an efficient gas engine for longer trips and the unexpected.
Thank you, great review! I`ve driven Toyota Prius the last 15 years and are overall very satisfied and happy. It`s time for a upgrade and THIS will be my next car! Can`t wait!
Keep up the good work!
Thank you and good luck to you!
I was able to get a Yellow Prime 🇨🇦 this summer, fantastic car. 🙂.
Btw, there is a hidden Mute button - just hold the MODE button for a second and it will Mute or Pause your audio, depending on source. 😉
Thanks for that tip. I’ve been looking. I wish there was an online class to learn the many functions of this vehicle!
What province are you in?
Were you able to get it for MSRP?
@@dproulx222 I live in northeast South Dakota. Google had the drive time as 11 hours. I got it for $2000 over MSRP.
@@dproulx222I am in Ontario, and yes got the car for MSRP. I am told it is illegal for dealers to sell new cars above MSRP in Ontario. 🙂👍🏻
does the charging of this vehicle only pertain to the 72km or so of plugin range? whats the 12v battery for?
I know exactly what changed they have to compete with the Tesla
The prius back seat ceiling is touching my head and i am only 5 feet 10 inches. Luggage space is much smaller than my corolla. With a cost of around 42 K# CAN This is not acceptable for me
True! I was shocked when i first saw it, it is much smaller than the last gen...
That is why our son bought the Camry 2025 LE.
More headroom in the backseat, similar fuel economy, bigger motor and no markups
I would give up the slick windshield for more headroom, visibility, and access.
That's why you now have the Rav4 Prime if you want a better practical car that is not as good-looking
Buy a Corolla hybrid then.
i love my 2019 Ioniq PHEV, hatchback, very roomy, my only complaint is the 27 mile EV range but other than that, it's the perfect PHEV with 650+ mile total range it's insane
I have had my 2023 Prius Prime XSE for 4 months and love it. It took 5 months and $3500 extra to get it, but I’d do it again. For my last 150 miles, I used about 20 miles of gas and the rest EV. Highly recommended!
When you leave the remote key (keyless entry system) at home, keep it at least 3 meters (10 feet) away from the car or the 12V battery will go up/flat.
When the remote key is brought within 3 meters, the electric power system will be activated.
Quick question, no DC charging? but can do level 2, so which are the DC chargers and what is the difference between DC and level 2? thank you
I'm really disappointed by the obstructed instrument cluster view. It sounds like a major design fail.
Will be sought after once they have 40k miles on them and are at $22-$17k. Ppl buying into these prius are ppl who never had one..... 30% of returning prius owners bc prius owners usually skip a generation or ride there's to the wheels fall off. I just put new one on my 2nd and keep rolling at 280k miles with 1 battery change at 190k battery change to life time warranty (bean) battery now. Once the motor goes when ever that happens I'll put a JDM one in give it to my kid and maybe.... get the 2023-2024 model (3-5 years from now😂)
But a lot of little things begin to breakdown after about 15 years on the Prius too.
I drove my 2004 Prius until last month when I got my 2023 Prius Prime XSE Premium at MSRP. It had 281,480 miles on it. Had two hybrid battery replacements. The second one this year through Bean too--good company. However, this year, I started getting the problem of the blacked out guage cluster. It happened 3 times this year. There is a hack work a round and it worked every time, but made me uneasy because I didn't know if the next time it was dead for good. The Media Information Display was also acting up. The glovebox had a broken hinge. The driver's sun visor hinge was not working well. The passenger door's power window motor began failing too, but the car still ran well. Still, it was time to move on. My Prius served me well, and I took very good care of it too
I donated it to a non profit.
@mrxman581 anything over 180k miles for a toyota is good 220k miles plus is GREAT! With in the time frame of having a vehicle 5-12 years (most toyota owners time of ownership) if you spend $7,000 I feel that a win. Compared to most other vehicles brands $7,000 is a minimum 3-5 year ownership repairs for a 30k car. Any thing over 40k vehicle will be added $2,000-$5,000 every 10k on sticker priced vehicles
(50k,60k,70k,80k).
Still a very good life spand 281,480 miles!
Tbh I’m thinking exactly the same as you lol
Those used cars are still more expensive than new. At 40k miles and a year or 2 old my guess would be only $5k of depreciation. They are absolutely not making enough either, which will keep new and used prices high.
@@mrxman581 15 years out of a vehicle is insanely good, my 2005 Prius I have now just turned 18 (coming up on 19 in a month). I had to replace the hybrid battery (refurbished and installed on site was $850 from a local repair guy, said it will last 3 years). Also had to replace the rear shocks, but I've only replaced the brakes one time (I'm at 180k miles). I'd be wanting another prius if it wasn't for a 2 year wait, considering a RAV4 hybrid and a few other hybrid SUVs.
These almost flat windshields are getting ridiculous - it's not like we will drive the car at Star Trek Warp speeds.
By using the gas engine will that charge the electric motors? Also, if I don't want to use the EV mode, can I get by just the gas engine option with no charge ups?
Excellent video.
Yes, this will just operate as a hybrid. That’s the beauty of PHEV.
I'd buy a Prius Prime but I can't find one in Washington State. Noone can even order one.
The car sucks, Interior too small, "A" pillar too steep, hard to get into and out of, guage cluster too hard to see, upright infotainment center is too upright, cargo area smaller, back door handle on "C" pillar, interior looks cheap, volume dial for radio on passenger side. They should have keep the interior from the last generation while adding the preformance of the new model. One out of five stars.
Very nice. But full of hype. A nice $25k economy car.
Keep your car for 2 more years. Hyper competitive market will return. Hype and price premia will disappear.
Today we learned that we could not replace a tire on our 2023 Prius that was destroyed by a pothole. We have to order the tire. It will take a week to get it. It's like the key Toyota will never provide. DO NOT BUY THIS VEHICLE! (Or better, buy ours: we'll give you $5000 off the list price, and it has only 3500 total miles on it.)
i have never heard of anyone not able to replace a tire that is unusual?
why didn't you buy a spare when you purchased the car? It even fits nicely in the back.
Fortunately, we did buy a spare (which does not fit "nicely" at all). But the donut tire cannot be used except for short runs. We had to wait a week for a replacement tire because it is not a standard size.@@ac14081408
This is one of my dream cars ,
That’s a sad statement of the times…☹️
Not worth the price. Just get a 4 yr Ioniq and get 54mpg at half the price.
Great looking and highly efficient car. Unfortunately, because of supply chain issues, the Prius is in short supply.
If only we had a secretary of transportation
Toyota sacrificed head room for styling. I will not buy it.
LOVE our 2018 2.7 Tacoma after I used engineering to reduce friction in the motor by 18 % for good performance. Love the Prime Prius but the insurance cost for EV's and Hybrid steal the gas mpg savings.
My truck 1800.oo per year and Prius would be 800.00 for hydro and gas per year but add in another 1500. for Hybrid car insurance and I'm losing 500.00 bucks.
All this romance doesn't add up to savings for a Jewish man. lol
I am watching this video because I miss my car. I took delivery of a Prius Prime XSE Premium at the beginning of September, and I got rear-ended by an idiot in a landscaping truck with a trailer in the beginning of October. I had my beautiful Prius for only 1 month before it got clobbered. Last I heard the repair estimate was $21.5K, I am hoping to get it back from the body shop in a few weeks now.
But I love this car! My previous car was a 2008 Corolla LE with a manual transmission that I bought new. This Prius was SUCH an improvement!!! The rental car I have been given is a Camry SE, and it makes me miss my Prius even more. I hate the hesitation it has when you press on the accelerator hard, it takes about 1.5 seconds to think about it and shift and finally give you some acceleration. The adaptive cruise control works differently, and it feels less stable on the road. My Prius outperforms both this Camry and the Corolla and got better mileage than either. I had it for 1 month, put 1094 miles on it, and never filled the tank from empty before I was hit. I charged it every night, and it would take me to work on battery (still out-performing the Corolla by a large margin) and then take me 10 miles towards home before the engine kicked in. I loved the stability on the road, I loved the features like the warning lights on the mirrors that indicated a car nearby, and I just, overall, loved that car. I am sickened by what has happened to it and by its absence from my life.
Im surprised it’s not totaled. At that kind of damage it is better if you can total instead of a broken car
@@sentryion3106Yeah, I wanted it totalled and replaced, but the insurance company wants to fix it. California has a law that when something like this happens you must ve paid for the "diminished value" of the car, because with a severe accident on its record it is not worth as much. Insurance companies use a "17C" formula which appears to have ben written my insurance companies and for insurance companies. It caps the calculation at 15% of the car's value and then puts on modifiers to reduce that amount.I figure the MOST that calculation will give me is about $4K. You can adjust that amount in court. small claims first, but they cap it at $10K. You can appeal it and go for more, but then it is more of a crap shoot.
Definitely should’ve been considered totaled. You might’ve got screwed by your insurance company.
Why don't they design the interior for the phone mount. The phone is such an important part of the driving experience.
I bought a 2021 Prime new, prior to Covid. Almost half the car was paid for with tax credits and incentives. Great car. I get 60 MPG even when driven as a regular Hybrid.
I did the same thing. With trading in my 2017 Prius it was almost free. I get just over 60 as a regular Hybrid.
But it brings no joy.
@@sunshadow9704 There is some joy when I put gas in it every 4 months or so. I'll drive close to 2k miles and when I fill up it take 8 or 9 gallons. Now if I need more joy than that I'll hop in my E39 M5 and go for a spin :)
@@SkySkier This explains. Still why not to have as much joy as possible with E39 on daily commute? In short, why settle for less?
@@sunshadow9704 Why settle for an expensive car that can only half ass both economy and sportiness? I own a shitty civic and looking to replace it with the new Prius but also a bolt on C5 Corvette Z06. When you really get life figured out thats how you roll... Stop trying to flex on people looking to get a really nice, reliable car. But just be honest with yourself, you bought a BMW because of the badge.
What about road noise and cabin niose?
id like to know too.
@@WarpedTrekker I like to know too. my 2013 is so loud at times I can't wait think.
They messed up the US prime version interior vs the Canadian version which looks like the regular Prius (silver metallic trim and blue light strip) . The red plastic and red trim (not light color) on the seats look tacky. hard pass
@@phillipbanes5484 i understand, but they could have given buyers a choice since they were offering the regular prius trim in other markets.
I got the Non Prime AWD XLE and it is an amazing car. I made a video on how to buy and install an OEM spare tire into it. With the non prime models you have enough space to include one.
Finally, a car where a flat topped steering wheel actually makes sense,,,,, and it doesn't get one.
If I cannot see my speed because the steering wheel is in the way I won't buy the car. This is gonna bring terrible consequences to Toyota designers
It's a non issue. There are more than enough adjustments between the steering wheel and the seat to make it work. I'm 5'-11" and can see all the gauge cluster information from a very comfortable driving position.
Nice single driver, use seats for groceries and or gear! Price-forget-about-it. Repairs and availability, painful. So, probably losing 10-15% of a growing EV interest. Something gotta give, volume ain’t gonna do it here.
A Prius for people who hate the Prius. It removes everything I love about my mk3 Prius and panders to the people who never got what made the Prius a great car in the first place.This thing is over priced, over-engineered and totally impractical. It's no more a Prius than the Mach-e is a Mustang. I'll probably still buy one :)
Test drove this and overall they almost had it. The instrument cluster is a fail and the fit and finish of the interior is not up to par. The model i tested was top trim only missing the gimmicky solar panel and was sticker priced at 45k. I personally wouldn't pay that as i feel that's luxury vehicle territory. If it was priced 35-38k, then that would be reasonable for this.
Took 7 months of grinding and ultimately a 2,000 mile round trip to get our 23 Prime XSE Premium w/solar roof but it was SO worth it. Absolutely love this car! Thanks for the review!
Nice work!
650$ for a solar roof. 46 kwh for 4500 miles of travel. Now cross multiply for a 300000 mile life span of a well maintained car, you get about 3100 kwh. 3100 kwh multiplied by 15 cents per kwh only = 465 dollars of electricity. You just got scammed.
@@jimhigens5464 If they did a solar concentrator, that'd probably be at least breakeven.
lol wut, these calculations make no sense. Firstly Prius is about 4mi/kwh. Secondly the calculations should be how much electricity you save per day of sun roof. It comes out to about 1kwh worth a day. That adds up over 10 years.
@@jimhigens5464yeah but when they go off grid, run out of gas, and there's no cell reception or the phones get chomped on by a bear, you can't put a price on the solar power saving them from by allowing them to instead get back to civilization. Those without solar would not be able to do this and thus have to resort to cannibalism.
Seems to me the new Camry will be a better deal. More room same efficiency and similar cost.
Matt, You are correct. Our son just purchased a 2025 Camry LE for $30k and he is netting 53 mpg on the interstate moving 70 mph.
The Camry also has a bigger motor.
@@rncondie Thanks I was thinking of getting a Camry for my daughter. Safe, reliable, frugal, perfect car for a young woman.
Seems to me the Corolla hybrid is more functional and practical. Also cheaper and better visibility.
But the Corolla isn't a PHEV. This car is. That's a huge difference
Prob the best hybrid in the world all it needs a factory based price awd and is a rocket in a car design to bad bz4 is selling factory know how mishandle same VW corupt stories in xpeng
Disappointing that the handling is sharp, but the ride is now too firm!
Toyota should have two separate trims: (1) a normal luxury trim with softer spring and damper rates and chrome trims etc, and a (2) sports trim with firmer spring and damper rates with blacked trims and sports seats etc.
Changed his mind , thought he wasn’t going to recommend it .
Another reviewer suggested the Corolla if you want Prius practicality
Corrola has a smaller ice and is slower like the old prius.
Outward visibility is a deal breaker. Otherwise a beautiful car. The instrument panel looks cheap.
Backseats and cargo space are worthless. Kia Niro plug in has twice the cargo space and useable backseats for less money plus 50 mpg and 33 miles of all electric range. Toyota compromised too much to make the Prius “sexy”
LOVE my Prius LE! The power and handling are surprizingly great! My only complaints have been with the multimedia center suffering 'bugs'!
PEOPLE BEWARE!! NO SPARE TIRE And no opening roof
No room in the backseat and in the trunk.
The title is click bait
😉Ordered my prius prime active(SE version for usa)in Italy!this august!Telling me that i must wait 5 to 6 months to get her!short times,anyway,he told me!!The dealer call me today!you'r car is here!😁I love my Europe!❤and Japan!
e-bicycle from amazon would give you 60 miles so 40miles still can't break it lol what a clunker
Drag coefficient is an important metric that measures the aerodynamic resistance of a car. I was really surprised to see that it increased in the new model, as I expected it to be lower or the same as the old model. However, Toyota claims that this car has less drag surface due to its design, which means that the overall efficiency is as good as or better than the old model. This is because the drag force depends not only on the drag coefficient, but also on the frontal area and the speed of the car. Therefore, a car with a higher drag coefficient but a smaller frontal area can have the same or lower drag force as a car with a lower drag coefficient but a larger frontal area, if they have the same speed. This is how Toyota explains the improved efficiency of the new model, despite the higher drag coefficient.
Well said.
😎 I love ❤ the Center instrument cluster. Never blocked. All Hybrids should be this way. The Big block touch screen is too big. And loss of headroom feels cramped. Gen 3 was the best version
The Corolla is much better price and even has all wheel drive option for way less.
I agree👍 .
Corolla base hybrid.
I’ll dress up with GR-Corolla seats & forged wheels 😊
Can’t wait for a few years when everyone comes out and hates this car.
The internet is a lie. When I seen the phantom menace is 99 I loved it .
But after a couple weeks the internet told me I should hate it. Currently everyone is giddy over this gen .
Just wait…
Would love to see a GR Sport version
Thank to Tesla is why this car looks decent now. Toyota noticed competition.
Prius is #1 on our list for 2025. But not the Prime. It doesn't work for us and there's little value for the added cost in our situation. The only other vehicle we're interested in is the Honda HR-V Hybrid.
Do you think someone like me who commutes just under 40 miles for work a day and can charge it would be a better fit? I was pretty much sold on the standard version but the more I think about it, never having to go to a gas station sounds pretty freaking nice... Also it would save me even money down the road when gas eventually goes back up.
@@CrossWindsPat Whether I go with a regular hybrid v. mixed hybrid/electric is all about my own unique situation. In my case, we have family that we travel to regularly and stay with for exended periods at 3 different locations 1500-2500 miles apart. Am I going to put chargers at all 3 locales? NOPE! Do I want to embark on crosscountry 1000+ mile treks across the Mojave, the Rockies, or the Appalachians in winter and depend on charging stations that may not be working?
NO WAY!
But, if I was living a commuting lifestyle, with a strictly ordained daily commuting schedule; electric would look great to me, except for the "buy-in" cost. If I'm making a $100k, with a small family, I would spring for an electric in a few years when range is 400+ miles and charging times are reduced to 30mins max. But we're not there yet, for a modestly priced (under $40k) E-car. So, If l was in your boots, l'd save the $$$ and buy a regular hybrid now, then go full electric by 2030. I'm betting the E-car world will be extremely different in 6 years.
Good luck. Many happy and affordable miles!!!
Note on the Level 2 charging speed: The Prius Prime includes a ~3.3 kW onboard charger. Some plug-in hybrids with comparable battery capacities include a ~6.7 kW onboard charger (e.g. the Honda Clarity which is, unfortunately, no longer sold). It would've been nice for Toyota to include a higher-power charger, especially for people who live in apartments and rely on public charging infrastructure. Those extra 2 hours make quite a difference!
Worry/worry/Batteries/Batteries/complicated/complicated/no local /understanding. ?
Toyota purposely installed a 3.3 kW/h onboard charger in the 5th Gen Prius Prime to extend the life of the traction battery long term and to reduce the incidence of battery degradation caused by using high powered charging facilities - and this Prius Prime will likely be charged daily for the most economical modus operandi of the vehicle.
The BMS on this Prius will also be top notch. Slower charging means the battery will last much, much longer - indeed, practically the projected lifespan of the car.
@@datathunderstormDon’t know about the Prius. But for Tesla, in the beginning everyone was worried that supercharging too much would degrade the battery. Now that we have enough data, it turns out that supercharging doesn’t have much impact on the battery life. It’s perfectly fine to use the superchargers if you don’t have charging at home. The downside is paying more for electricity.
how is the head banging when you enter/exit?
I haven't hit my head yet. The seat moves back when you open the door to get out (at least the upper trim levels do, not sure about the base trim). It's not the clearance of the 4th gen Prius. The back seat is another story though!
I like this car a lot, but eventually I found a 2020 Hyundai Preowned Ioniq preowned plugin hybrid limited trim which looks really nice too and much lower in price😊, 29 miles EV range is not bad at all
Ready to buy a car with 8,99% de interest?🤔
You can get a mazda new cx5 for 60 months at 0% now for aualifying buyers, great car, , great financing.
Model 3 with tax credits is like 8k less.. i just cant do this car.
As pretty as this car is, if you really want hybrid happiness go Corolla, Camry or rav4 hybrid.
Prius don't look like a boat turned upside down anymore !
what do you think of the 2024? are there many changes?
Just buy a VW ID by the German engineers ! ❤❤
Prime plugins good for short city or daily work driver. Long road trips no. When the bigger battery drains after 30+ miles, you are hauling that heavy dead batt to your destination.
It still averages 10-15 more mpg on long trips
Are there any limitations for using it in full EV mode, like speed? Or as long as battery is fully charged you can go full EV mode in city and highway?
By default, it's automatic and seamlessly switches to hybrid ICE when the battery runs out. No speed limitations, though I feel the acceleration is way faster (and silent) with battery. You can switch to different modes at any time. The Prius (and Rav4 Prime) reserves 10% during normal usage even when it's indicated fully depleted to prevent battery from fully discharging and to assist in essential functions.
The steering wheel and the display look weird
Yup no headroom. I am well under 6 ft and it's not good for me.
Why you used deceptive title of this video. There is no summary in the end, why you decided against it to buy. Please have some morals.
In the beginning, I hated it, wanted to take it back, but now I love it!!
Where is the new technology?
No thank you. I'll keep my 2017 Gen 2 Chevy Volt. 53 miles on electric before the 1.6 banger kicks in. Worst mistake Chevy made was discontinuing it in 2019.
I find that powerful front wheel drive cars are limited by wheel spin. I imagine the less expensive AWD model would be the better choice overall, but I haven't driven one, although we had an Audi that was essentially a gussied up VW Golf, with a turbo 4 cylinder, and that was the case for that car, in my experience.
The previous prime is better in almost every aspect. The extra 10 ev only range isn’t a thing if you can plug in a lot. I have hud. Better rear visibility due to extra window. More room inside. I can see my gauges! Blue magnetism is gorgeous. I don’t care about apple carplay as I use Bluetooth for music. I also have the charger schedule which they took away. Looks matter but not at expensive of room
So I won’t be able to charge it at a mall???
You most likely can. But if it’s a fast charger, like CCS, then no. You’d have to use the J1772 style plug.
@@ShiftingLanesCurrently most chargers are not CCS. However, this ia a car that makes no sense to charge at public chargers on a long trip unless it's at a hotel/motel where you can leave it plugged in overnight. It just charges too slowly to plug it in while you go eat, shop, or see a movie. You're going to charge it when you get home anyway.
If home charging is not available, I wouldn't recommend a Prius Prime. Just get the regular Prius. This is coming from someone who has the new Prime. Yeah, I have a 2023 Prius Prime XSE Premium.
Our son just bought a Camry LE 2025 for $30k
He is getting 53 mpg on the freeway.
Why would anyone buy a Prius when the Camry has almost the same economy, no markup’s and more room for passengers.
I owned 2 Prius (Prii?)...a 2008 (2nd Gen) and 2013 (3rd Gen). Both were great...economical and dead reliable (drove the 2008 to 200k and the 2013 to 115k). I'm now older and retired. I had occasion to sit in one of these at a local dealership (they had one for a VERY short time). Although obviously a beautiful car it was MISERABLE to get in and out for this old guy (it's considerably lower than previous models with a 2 inch lower roof height). I also thought it felt cramped particularly in the rear seat legroom area. It looks nice but a definite pass for this old guy.
I applaud Toyota for not ditching physical buttons for touch screen and touch sensitive controls. Almost all other automakers have gone Tesla copy cat, Good for Toyota sticking to their core design.
I drive close to 3k miles on my 2023 prius now. And i got nowhere close to 52mpg. Average at 42mpg very disappointing. Even driving on eco mode.
im getting 54mpg on my corolla 23' le hybrid
Wow that's awesome. I wonder something is wrong with mine.
I've owned 2 prius previously, and both got their advertised mpg, consistently. I don't have the new gen yet, but I can't imagine it to be different. I would recommend contacting the dealer.
Unless you are rural or a travel worker why get a hybrid?
Hybrids work best in city driving
City or apartment living if work does not have a charger also ca charges 50 cents per kwh at some locations
Quick question, no DC charging? but can do level 2, so which are the DC chargers and what is the difference between DC and level 2? thank you
DC allows for fast charging, or “level 3” and they have a bigger connector. Level 2 can still be done with this car.
@@ShiftingLanes thank you, much appreciated
Waited 15 months for a Prius Prime XSE and it is a massive improvement over our 2013 plug in Prius. Totally agree with the exterior design being great and it’s a joy to drive. Only complaint is the user interface design of the instrument cluster and multimedia system. Both are awful and the ridiculous acronyms used for Toyota Safety Sense on the instrument cluster are in fact quintessential bad design.
Nice. Got the car
Great video.. concise and to the point. Love your format!! Thank you for sharing. SHAME SHAME ON TOYOTA for not building NEAR enough of these cars to satisfy demand. I live in Atlanta... there are 2... 2 cars within the entire Metro Atlanta area encompassing 27 Toyota dealers. 2 cars on the lot. That's a big FAIL for Toyota.
It is way overpriced! At the end of the day, it's a tiny car that would mean certain death in case of a collision.
None in CA for 6 months! Toyota is so stupid, they can sell so many of these if they just made some to sell in the US! I’m referring to the Top of the Line Plug in model with Leather and bigger screen
the new Uber
The day and aftermarket company makes a front bumper that deletes that ugly rectangle is the day I will buy one of these
I had trouble seeing the instrument cluster in bright sunlight. It’s not bright enough. I simple hood extending over the display to shade it would make it much more readable. I’m actually surprised no one else seems to have this problem
Looks like a great car, I might get one if they weren't nearly impossible to get and dealers want a 10,000+ markup on them. Crazy
Nice looking, finally from Toyota idk what their design studio has been smoking. I won't be back though after bad warranty experience with highlander vvti issue they would not honor.
Just wonder if Toyota makes a version that is 3 seconds slower but can achieve 70-80 miles/g. How would car buyers take it? I would buy it
The Prius Prime can already do that and more if you drive it in EV only mode most of the time
The issue is transitioning away from ICE and fossil fuels, and not continue to make them more efficient. It's an EOL product. Toyota already gave ICE cars an extended life with the introduction of the hybrid synergy drive 20+ years ago.
Get a VW !
@@mrxman581 cheapest car that gives me 300 miles range in 20 below weather wins. You did swallow the blue pill in the matrix.
i know honda has a 3 electric motor civic maybe toyota will do that also?
I really wish they had a more minimal screen on these things. I hate a tablet propped up on my dash, so hideous.
Consumer Reports claimed this vehicle is a worse design than from previous Toyota Prius'.
I saw one for $32k.
But dash design is awful…..hoping they incorporate a better one as now in Crown and coming Corolla.
I'd like to see a video about all the warning alerts and beeps and bells that you can NOT turn off. Is all this safety tech annoying?
no spare tire. no antiglare heated outside mirrors. mine is beautiful and handles great but would not have purchased if knew these two features lacking.
Current Recall-- the rear door may open while driving. Water can enter and short circuit the electronic rear door latches.
The volume button is in the driver side of the car - In Japan! I wonder if they will make a rest of the world's version
Why there was no mention about HOW NOISY THIS PRIUS IS?
I am in Ottawa Canada and I put a deposit down for one 2 YEARS AGO! Still waiting