Plug-In Hybrid vs. Full Electric - Toyota Prius Prime and Tesla Model 3 Compared
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- Max and Jordan compare one of the best plug in hybrids, the new Toyota Prius Prime against the EV value king: Tesla Model 3 Rear-Wheel Drive LFP. Do you need to full electric when plug-ins are this good? The Prius has gotten appealing but when specced out it's also approaching the Tesla in price.
Model Tested: XSE Premium on loan from Toyota-the base Prius Prime at $34k is significantly more affordable but comes with much less equipment.
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0:00 Intro
1:47 The Model 3 Overview
5:27 The Prius Overview
10:02 Model 3 Drive and Interior
18:12 Prius Drive and Interior
25:56 Packaging and Cargo
29:18 Pricing and Value
31:03 Buying Experience
32:19 Wrap-Up
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just got the prius prime. I went from driving a tundra for work at an average of 15mpg. Without charging the Prius I get around 48 mpg (and I drive a bit fast). The difference in gas savings for me per month is about $300 without even using the battery. Such an anxiety reducer not stressing about travel and not worrying about charging stations.
Which trim did you get? I have a 4th gen Prius, and although the power and body on the 2024 Prime is awesome, without the solar roof on the Prius Prime XSE Premium trim, it's hard to justify changing from a perfectly good Prius to a Prius Prime. The solar roof on the Prime XSE Premium makes it worth it IMO.
This is my literal use case I am looking at (except Tacoma)
Did you keep your Tundra though or trade it in? I really have to have a truck.
@@williamhall2386 traded in
Just ordered a 2024 Prius Limited for my daughter! Toyota are reliable and will last for 20+ years!
The down side is replacing the battery and having to maintain more in a hybrid because you have both battery and motor/transmission. If it's just gas then it's standard maintenance, if only EV then battery every 100k miles (which either cost less than overall maintenance costs in a hybrid). The advantage of EV is that the gas savings cover the costs of battery replacement. Everything has it's pros and cons though. I've seen a Chevy hybrid with over 400k miles and still got juice to run more.
@@WhiteWolfos it is what it is
@@WhiteWolfos - I have a cousin who is a certified mechanic and he stated he has seen hybrids go 20 years with original hybrid battery.
Bro, you just said it yourself. Hybrids are bulletproof, especially Priuses, as there are still people on the road driving 1st and 2nd generation well over 100k miles. Replacing the battery on a PHEV is still way affordable than a full EV and new PHEV from Toyota the warranty covers the battery for 150k miles. @WhiteWolfos
hyundai HV is the worst they dont even last 5 years and the dealership want $20,000 to repair.
In 2044 that Prius will still be running
The 24 Prius Prime XSE Premium is my daily for hopefully a life time. Going to bag it and do cosmetic upgrades 😎
Toyota is king of car mfg, Prius is first name for the Hybrid cars. When I drive Prius I feel I am safe to go anywhere, Drive Tesla I feel I will stop anytime , anywhere, I am a owners for Prius and Model 3, my Model 3 good tools to go from home to work, My Prius can take me anywhere
For people who live in rural America, a PHEV is likely the best solution due to the lack of reliable charger infrastructure and long distances between towns and sometimes challenging topography. The Prius has bulletproof reliability and excellent resale value.
you have a point but in rural areas people can easily charge at home, while gas stations can be pretty far.
@@teklife Gee I wonder how those in rural areas drive at all without gas stations within range. They really should focus more on animal transport modes.
Joking aside, that's what the OP is talking about. Gas infrastructure is far, far more developed than charger infrastructure.
@@teklifeYeah you never know when the power at the gas pump goes out in those rural areas either.
I have a model three and if you charge at home you dont need a charger anywhere near home and once on the highway chargers are frequent enough to go anywhere. Chargers are becoming more common and you may notice gas stations that are due for tank replacements frequently shutting down instead.
That resale value is no joke, I upgraded to the 2023 Prius Prime, and sold my 2017 with 70,000 miles on it for $22,000, which is more than I paid for the thing brand new with the tax credit.
I’m all in on the Prius Prime. Better looking, less weight to lug around for daily use, and enough EV range to maximize city driving and ICE for long range trips at the drop of a hat.
I’ll be getting a new Prius Prime in a few years. Turn signal lever, shifting lever and physical buttons will always win me over. Also, I drive 12 miles a day…….so no need for an EV.
I’ve seen someone drive their Prius to 0% battery power, and the gas engine just cut on automatically. That was one one thing that made me think about looking for a hybrid truck. When I have a payload, I want the satisfaction of knowing that I will have a gas engine to rely on. I can’t go full electric.
Toyota really should add a hydrogen engine just to have one more backup.
There is one heuristic that is annoying on the Pry-us Pry-me. Going down hill on a cold day with a full charge. The gas engine will invariably turn on if you gain too much speed. Dumb.
All other use-cases have been optimal.
@@user-jj2vq6xs3u I wouldn't dare to carry a bomb around 😂
Dodge electric ram with the range extender sounds like it would be great for towing and long road trips. I hope they adopt nacs. though.
Never had a problem with capacity of tesla. Huge range. Good charging network.
I made this same cross shopping two months ago, same colors too
After research, I drive a blue model 3 and fits everything I need, very happy so far
With how much Toyota dealers STILL charge in markups, Tesla, with its $7500 incentive is actually cheaper than prius
I paid $0 in markups.
The dealer business model is broken
Just went to a dealer for a 31,000 car the dealer guy marked up the car to 39,000 i immediately left
@@Filithecoolguy 50% of the dealers I went to where going to do the markup crap. I told them if they put $5 on I'd walk. I don't think I deterred them. It was just a dealer that wasn't pulling those shenanigans. It's too bad that this stuff is happening. The dealers are ruining the sales.
Yes yes
new Prius simply looks so amazing.
Just bought a 23 Model 3 lfp just before the end of the year. Absolutely in love with it
It's the better car and will outlast even the legendary Prius. We have Tesla taxis here in France with huge km on them and
2 years ago when I was in the market for a new car I was looking at the Toyota RAV4 Prime but none were available. I finally settled on Tesla Model Y and had to wait 9 months for it but I'm glad that I did.
how much is your insurance now?
I bought a Lexus hybrid. I traded in my Mercedes-Benz S class after 185,000 miles trouble free for this small Lexus hybrid and I loved it very much. My daughter drove it for a few years and now she’s driving my old 2018 long range Candy apple red Tesla model three and she loves it. I love the wood and the leather and the massaging seats in the Mercedes-Benz and the fact when you’re driving around they’re not everywhere. What I don’t like about the Mercedes is the 2000 moving parts. And I like the Tesla because every time you go to a stop, your regenerating power for the battery and the engine shuts off at every stoplight not wasting fuel. The hybrid was the best before Tesla came on the scene. I’m waiting for the new revised edition of the Tesla model Y I like the higher seat and the more space in the back. The model three looks better. But the model Y is more practical.. you are very lucky to have a model why that should last you for at least 200,000 miles of fun driving!
You could have waited the same 9 months for a RAV4 but if you enjoy your M3 then fantastic.
@danielstehura9657 @danielstehura9657 hey let you know the tesla has no motor it's all electric there is no engine turning off. The regen braking just converts the power of the braking to more battery like it's charging it. A hybrid turns on the motor when you need it then uses the eletric power when you don't. They have regen braking also and it goes into the battery.
Are you planning to keep it for a long time? if battery fails after the warranty i heard is 20k!
I have a 18 model 3 and a 17 Volt plug in hybrid. They are both great. Daily commute in the Volt is 20-30 miles daily so I can go months without having to buy gas. The biggest difference at the end of the day is my wife and I both love the Model 3 because of the technology integration into the phone app and the performance of the 2 cars isn't even close. The Volt feels like a model 3 in chill mode.😂
I drive my model Y in chill mode all the time. It will beat any stock car off the line.
I had a 2012 Volt and it had a Sport mode setting that made the car pretty quick. It’s what sold me on electric drive! Are you comparing the Tesla Model 3 acceleration to the Volt with the latter in Sport mode? Or do late model Volts not have Sport mode? Regardless, I only drive Teslas now.
@@Widdermaker My 2nd Gen Volt has a sport mode but it is not a big difference between normal mode. My model 3 is a dual motor that goes 0-60 in 4 seconds lol.
Your car is a phone app? Sorry 4 hours to charge is a deal breaker.
@@flouisbaileyot can't charge at all.. Look at Chicago 😂😂
Great review and insights. Both vehicles are worthy of purchase.
A couple of thoughts for consideration. 1. Dependability of charging stations: as other videos show, many charging stations are slow to charge, or out of order. Ouch.
2. Resale value: look up the various blue books on facts on resale. Resale after five years or so.
3. Personal note: I’m a Mercedes owner, but I do note how many 10 to 20 year old Toyota Prius cars are still on the road. Very, very dependable. Perhaps Tesla’s are too. Best of luck,
Many Mercedes owners do buy a Tesla.
Many Golf R drivers have traded or cancelled their Golf R orders and bought the tesla. I did!
I charge my M3LR on level 1 charging overnight whereby I add about 50 miles of range. I was originally going to install a 220 v line but I decided to see how things go at 120v. After 3 years works just fine.
This would work perfectly for so many folk. So few people understand this.
I bought a 3-pfase (3x16A) Tesla wall connector and have all the cables to the garage in place, but I have not yet bothered to mount it on the wall, as the included single phase 13A charger is sufficient for the amount of driving I do, which was quite a surprise to me. (all 240V since I'm in Europe) I bought the long-range for the 4WD and other options, not because I needed the range. I mostly charge it just on Sundays.
Great review guys. I subscribed to your channel. I am an old guy but really appreciate your views.
The timing of this is perfect for us- this is the exact comparison we’re making. I drive 30 miles each way to work with 20 miles of highway. I’ll have to take a 300 mile trip monthly as well. The calculus is tough but your video helps. My biggest issue is that I trust Toyota and believe it will last as my others have. Tesla… I just don’t know.
You don’t know because you do not read.
We’ve owned several Tesla’s. You won’t go back to a gas drivetrain. 98% of your charge will be gone at home. I highly recommend test driving. Not to mention the safest cars on the road.
Judging from the materials quality and battery replacement costs after warranty... You know.
How long will Toyota last? (The company, not the car)
@@rogerstarkey5390 profits doubled in the last year, so announcements of their eminent death seem premature.
Good video. I did note that you said in the Prius B mode turns on regen. B mode _increases_ regen. Any time you lift the throttle, you get some regen**. Using the "brakes" also does regen, until the reben indicator bottoms out at which time the mechanical brakes are blended in*. Coming down from Pike's Peak I got 18 miles of regen, and like all hybrids and EVs got to skip the MANDATORY brake temperature test at the bottom. The mechanical brakes will last a very long time. I am sure that is also true of the Tesla and other EVs, HVs and PHEVs.
* When slowing to a stop, the mechanical brakes are blended in when the car is almost stopped. I am thinking at around 9 MPH to 0.
** As indicated by a guage on the dash.
Here's the way I see it, if you have an attached garage & you don't want a full on ICE vehicle then getting a full on EV only makes sense because you will have the ability to add a level two charger at minimal cost & 99.99% of your charging will be able to be done at home. However if you live in a situation where level 2 isn't an option or it's just too costly because you have a detached garage then a PHEV with good EV only range is the best option. Forget roadtripping for a moment because one of the biggest barriers even for everyday use of an EV is going to be found in inner cities like New York, DC, Philly, Chicago and alike because people either live in apartments, condos or homes with detached garages or street parking only. Also many of these neighborhoods don't have access to DC fast charging because it's just too far away.
The PHEV is more practical if you can easily charge it daily, and just as efficient as a full EV if you drive less than 40 miles a day.
Detached garages are the only way with an electric car.
Great job guys! Very helpful.
I have the tesla model 3 and i love the prius looks like a freaking transformers so badass
I am considering these two cars, but one thing that would be helpful in making a decision would be the performance of both cars in cold weather. Since you are in Colorado, and many people live in climates that have a real winter, that comparison is very needed. Fair weather/ warm weather performance is fine, but cold weather seems to kill a lot (if not all) of the Tesla advantage. Would love to see you check that out. But, excellent review, thanks.
I've driven a plug-in Honda Clarity for 5 years now, and I love it! Mostly, I drive in EV mode; but, for road trips I use the HV mode (hybrid). If my e gets low, I hold the HV button down, and it immediately becomes a generator and starts charging the e battery. Unfortunately, Honda has discontinued the Clarity for lack of sales, and I am searching for an PHEV that is as efficient and comfortable as my Touring Clarity. I get between 50-60 miles on a full charge, depending upon my speed and weather conditions which require the use of auxiliary features (heat, a/c, wipers, etc.). I've never had one repair with this car, and it continues to take a full charge. I enjoy this car so much that I bought an extended basic warranty to keep the basics covered. My problem is that my primary concern is efficiency, and I'm not finding the new cars as good as my Clarity. Today I just learned that a PHEV Honda CR-V was introduced in Europe. After reading about this car, this is what I'd like to move to after my Clarity. Do you have any inside information on this new vehicle -- why it's not soon coming to the USA in addition to Europe, and will it be coming at all and when? I have to agree with your guests today in that there is a learning curve when moving from an ICE vehicle to a PHEV, but when you "get" the basics, wow, is it great! I'm 77, and had no problems learning to drive my Clarity, and when on a road trip with my daughter, only once after stopping to get my typical 3.5 gals of gas, she forgot to push the HV button (defaults to EV after turning it off). Seeing the EV gauge drop down shocked her, and she didn't make that mistake again. Most people really don't understand PHEVs and just think they're a hybrid car. This is the fact that's important to me: with a hybrid car, you have no choice to drive in all EV. With a plug-in, you have the choice. I go for long periods of time only driving in EV, and I have to remember to drive in HV once in awhile just to mix up the gas left in the 7 gallon tank from my last roadtrip. Most people won't take the initiative to learn something new, so Honda and other PHEV producers need to do a better job of educating the public to their virtues. Had they done this when the Clarity was on the market, their sales might have been better. By the way, I've, also, got solar panels on my house, so I charge up my car during the day on solar power, paying nothing to drive my car!
This channel WILL explode.. great content!
Buyer needs to know the resale value and what if you need to replace the battery. What's the total cost uber time like 3 years, 5 years, after warranty? I heard that replace the Tesla battery is over 20k. Forget about Hyundai, it's over 40k. 😂😂😂
I would say go with the Prius if you doing lots of road trip driving or even rideshare business, tesla is also great if you want a full ev experience and have a home/garage to charge at night!
Owning an Ev while living in appartment isn't always practical cause u will be spending more on charging and sometimes having that anxiety when you driving too far
If you live in an apartment and can't home charge, no point in buying the plugin Prius either, as it will literally never get plugged in. Just stick with regular hybrid kind and save money on the purchase price (and get better gas mileage).
@@ab-tf5fl I mostly agree, but if the Prime is sitting outside all day and you get the solar roof option, it will charge the battery. The solar roof option actually charges the battery will driving too. And the battery does get regenerative braking charging as well. But having a place to charge at home is best.
I would make the opposite argument. If you do a lot of long-distance driving, get the Model 3, because it will save you a lot of money on fuel costs. With the M3 LR, you get 250 KW DC fast charging to go from 10% to 80% in 27 minutes (274 miles), whereas the M3 standard range offers 170 KW DC fast charging to go from 10% to 80% in 25 minutes (223 miles). Either way, most people are ready to stop for 25 minutes after driving 200 miles. Of course, if you drive on routes that don't have Superchargers, you are better off with the Prius PHEV.
In Australia, charging at Tesla superchargers costs nearly as much per 100km range as filling up a Prius with petrol. 😢
Never thought I’d call the Prius a sexy car. But wow what a change!
Prius for me always never have to worry to charge and cheaper battery
Here in Europe the resale value of electric cars has collapsed. Reason being is that people concerned about battery life. Manufacturers are going to have to reassure consumers if they want the EV market to work
Had a 2012 camry hybred, best car i had ever owned my granddaughter now drives it and loves it. No doubt Toyota makes a great product. But i now have a model three that I have put 40,000 miles on and its just incredible, way better than i expected. Took many long trips battery lasts way longer than my bladder or hunger can stand. Once drove it 4000 mi in six days. What more can i say?
Prius Prime 100% I live in a very cold area and my current PHEV is perfect in these conditions.
The pro of the hybrid is that if they’re able to use half the batteries, and satisfy needs/winter range of a larger group of people then it will get many to drive “electric” within 40 miles round trip. Also, batteries hopefully will eventually be closed loop w recycling just the same. Demand may be better in US for hybrids in short term too. Lugging around the ice engine/headaches doesn’t sound great tho!
Headaches I'll give you. "Lugging around" though is a wash. You're equally lugging around 250 miles worth of extra batteries in the Tesla when you make a 40 mile trip. Which is heavier, the ICE/gas tank/transmission/etc, or the not-needed-on-that-trip battery cells? Actually, there's a real-world example. Kia makes the Niro, same body, in Hybrid, PHEV, and full BEV. And the full BEV comes in about 400 pounds heavier than the PHEV, even with a full gas tank.
@@MostlyHarmlessNebr-gb6di if you are comparing same type cars (not like this review, the Prius is a compact vs a sedan), like a Mazda6 vs the Tesla3, you'll find that the 6 is actually heavier !
@@marcgrondin65 I was going for a car that's the exact same chassis for an EV vs hybrid because there's a bajillion other variables. That said, a Tesla M3 *definitely* weighs more than a Mazda 6.
I just googled it and stand corrected, the Mazda6 is 3,556 lbs versus de Tesla3 at 3,582 lbs.
@@MostlyHarmlessNebr-gb6diexactly. This line is BS. Either way, on short trips you have "dead weight". That unused weight is there for its potential, that future longer trip you may take.
I have a Toyota Camry LE Hybrid regenerative braking. Love it more than plug in hybrid. I get 50 mpg doing 80 mph in the summers. I love it.
Prius Vs Tesla; I have owned Prius; The last generation Prius. I drove over 250K miles over 7 years ( I put Liqui Molly oil "Germany Oil" ). The battery have a problem & end up donate it. I recently purchased Tesla 3 for months & drive over 2500 miles; it wonderful charge at home; long trip charge @ Tesla charger. we will see down the line.
We have both a phev and a EV. Both have pros and cons. Both are great around town. For road trips I like the phev.
The first Prius was a boxy sedan. The wedge shape redesign was the 2nd version. I test drove the first Prius months before it went on sale in the US.
I find it fascinating about peoples' desire for a huge glass roof. I think it helps sell the Teslas like sunroofs and moonroofs helped sell cars. But in all 45 years that been owning and riding in other peoples' vehicles, the sunroofs and moonroofs had their shades closed. I'm pretty sure it's due to the combination of increased noise and light. Regardless, for most people, glass roofs, sunroofs, and moonroofs are like gym memberships. You pay for it, and think thats what you want, but then you never use it or care for it.
@wlittleman, i really agree with your assessment on sunroof etc. Americans or consumers in general are such suckers for the image and idea that they’re buying. They’re not always in touch with their own reality: how they actually end up using item.
I use my moonroof all the time
Paint is an expensive part of car production, so when integrated into the design of a car, a (non-opening) glass roof may not be that much more expensive.
We keep ours closed when it's hot but keep it open when it's cool (we have an Ioniq 5 with one large pano sunroof, no support bar bisecting it). Keeping it open makes the car feel appreciably roomier, especially in the back (It's already pretty roomy). Since we have a lot of tall people in our family, it works out nicely.
In my brother's Tesla I don't notice the pano roof as much when sitting in the back - maybe it's the support bar that runs through the middle tricking my brain into thinking the roof is solid? And I think the tinting is darker on Teslas because you can't close the roof.
So to your point, I'm not sure how much of a selling point the sunroofs are on Teslas. But I agree with these guys, after driving my brother's Tesla for a while, their software, trip planning, auto unlock/start, charging experience, and charge network are reeeeeally nice. Once you get used to them, it feels clunky returning to other vehicles without them. 🥲
This is reverse world. Accessibility via screen is NOT easier.On my my car I can adjust radio volume, cruise controls, wipers, lights and other devices without even looking. As natural as scratching your nose. Make no mistake, the elimination of physical buttons is done for cost savings and has been sold to customers as a flashy improvement. It simply isn’t.
BTW does the new Toyota Pry-us Pry-me have a tow package? Mine did... set me back ~$200 + was _fairly_ easy to install. Works great!
Well done video! Where I am at now is if there was a hybrid with 100 miles Ev, that would be my sweet spot! And, although a fan of Tesla I feel they are going TOO drastic on the minimalist approach! Taking away the blinker stock has crossed the boundary!
Ah but it’s a thumb wheel that you move left or right. Easy to get used to.
@@PackFan-tv5pj Not if you are a Neanderthal.
Tesla wants the drivers to lose their muscle memory on conventional cars, and just rely on its autopilot.
Yeah. The cost cutting has gotten out of control at Tesla.
My XLE came with a glass roof and 12" monitor , mud flaps , all weather floormats , heated seats , andriod auto and apple carplay w/youtube and gets 50mpg !!! "I mash" lol so i cant get 60mpg like some say is possible . "I love my Prius"
Thanks for the good review. I enjoyed it.
Really though, making a distinction betweeen having to press one start button and a superior/inferior feature is pretty lame. Like it's so minor it doesn't even register as a nitpick.
In fact, for some/many having the power on/off is a benefit. Simply taking things away doesn't make something better. Like a display in front of the driver. Just because you can possibly go without the driver display doesn't mean it's better to leave it out.
Excellent work! Great comparison
We got our Tesla Model 3 in 2018. We love it. It's our only car. We live in the suburbs of Toronto, Ontario. We plug it every night. Best decision ever. We have 210,000 km on it. My wife drives it daily for her work commute, and we also went on long road trips or weekends gateways. Amongst the long road trips, we drove to California in 2019 (13,000km road trip), and we drove to Vancouver Island in 2020 (11,000km road trip). We mostly relied on the Tesla Supercharger network. Never had any issue charging. Buying a hybrid makes no sense to me. I think it only solves the range anxiety that some people have, but based on our experience, range is not a real issue in practice. I also don't think most traditional automakers will survive the transition to EVs, so you'd be buying a product from a company in decline. I would consider that too.
Thank you for this content. I learned a lot. I have an R1T and an android phone. Jordan, you are correct, the plural of Prius is Prii. LOL. I'm in the market for the 2024 Highland here in North Carolina. Mmmm...beans.
Love the Tesla but it’s crazy to compare build quality and durability with the Prius
I like phev’s because they’re better for the environment and more versatile in that they just give you the best of both worlds.
In Canada, due to crazy dealer markups, the dealers are charging $10,000 MORE for the Prius Prime than what the base Model 3 sells for. So the Tesla is way cheaper, and you don't have to wait 3 years to get one.
After 2 Model 3 ( SR and Dual ) and an Audi Q4 ETron, I now drive the new Prius.......... im mostly always in EV and it's much cheaper and has more luxury stuff than my Audi ( except the amazing Matrix LED ) Fast charging now in Quebec is more expensive than putting regular gaz in the prius on road trip.............
“…adds complexity…”
True. In January 2021, I started looking at replacing our aging Toyota. We’ve had Toyotas for decades, so of course, that make was top of the list. But I was keenly interested in something other than CE - either PHEV, hybrid or EV.
Thanks to many RUclips videos, I went from knowing nothing about EVs et al to knowing some. Further research helped me make my final choice: Tesla Model 3 SR+.
I decided against the PHEV/hybrid choice because of one issue: complexity.
Not only do you have the EV power system, but there’s also the CE power train, and then the intermediary system that makes those two work together. 3 distinct and separate systems seemed overkill to me.
I’m happy to say 2 ½ years later, 39k miles of driving, I am very pleased with my choice!
Safe travels all.
This complexity argument is bogus. Toyota invented electrification of modern ICE cars with the introduction of their Synergy drive 20+ years ago. I had a 2004 Prius for 19 years and it was the best car I've ever had. In fact, if you were to buy a PHEV, Toyota PHEVs are the ones to get.
@@theexmann I’m really glad you have been satisfied with your choice.
I was merely sharing my process on how I came to the decision I did.
And, just like you, I’m very happy with my decision. (But I don’t have to resort to put downs in the process.)
Safe travels!
@@ezpoppy55 It's not a put down. It's an informed opinion about people using the complexity argument as a valid criticism of the Toyota PHEV technology, it's not.
@@theexmann “Bogus” is a put down. Full stop.
If you want to disagree, based on your personal experience, that’s fine.
People are allowed to differ - I have no problem with someone stating “My experience is different…”
But when someone has to start off with an insult, well..,
Safe travels.
@@theexmannyou nailed it. The people that say this are misrepresenting the truth. Many of the common failure points of traditional ICE cars are not on a hybrid.
The full EV mode of the Toyota is really cool but for urban setting where people don't have garages with overnight access to plugs the self charging configuration via the engine would be more convenient. 4 hours at a plug in is long if you are reliant on charge stations and don't have ready access to them at work. Aren't people who own homes/garages less likely to have these as they don't need to save on gas as much as people who don't have garages?
If you’re “self” charging with the gas engine you shouldn’t be driving a plug in hybrid. It’s inefficient. The traditional hybrid Prius would be a better fit.
Most people don’t realize that one pedal driving uses slightly more energy than a lower level of re-gen breaking that allows the car to coast while still putting some energy into the battery. There’s no free lunch, if you put energy into the battery and then take it back out, there’s a slight efficiency loss compared to coasting. Some people for a long time have been aware of coasting with their gas cars, and when they see a traffic light change ahead, take there foot off the throttle and coast for a while before braking to a stop.
I owned a 2017 Prius Prime (the first year it came out). I really liked this car and it turned out to be a great transition to a BEV. I now drive a 2023 Tesla M3LR and LOVE it! Interestingly, the 2017 Prime had a heat pump, which Tesla didn't put in the Model 3 until late 2022! With the Prime, I was able to do a lot of city driving in EV mode, even with the smaller battery than the current Prius. I learned that 120V charging (Level 1) would be adequate if I had a larger battery, since I averaged less than 30 miles a day. With the Tesla, I still use L1 charging and it's fully adequate until I go on a roadtrip.
what is insurance comparisons for these 2?
Great review. Your "situation" does matter a lot! If, like you say, you have easy at home charging and highway driving is more limited - the Model 3 (or any EV) is a good - even great - option. If, however, you aren't able to easily charge at home and/or need greater range, the Prius (either hybrid or Prime) is a great option (I actually prefer the simple Hybrid for it's less complex setup). We're living at that crossover time in history. IMO - and as a two -car family with one EV and one diesel (for the highway long hauls!) - I think we're still in the "early adopter" phase for EVs - and probably will be until both the infrastructure improves and charging time decrease - and/or EV range increases (our diesel drives all day without "fueling" concerns - 700+ miles - but something like 500+ would be great too). This is where solid state batteries can (hopefully, will) help on both fronts - charging speed and range!
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@@LionheartLivin Thanks! I was wondering why that section was struck out!
Yes, Toyota has proven itself with quality control including PHEVs. The 2023 Prius Prime is the third gen version.
@@theexmann Tell that to my son who has a 2021 Rav4 Prime and last July he got a recall letter saying do not charge when the Temperature is less than 41F because of a DC-DC convertor fire issue. They said they would have a fix in 4th qtr and now its half way through 4th qtr and the dealer says they still haven't heard anything. He lives in New England and is getting below freezing now, thanks a lot Toyota.
Hybrids and Plugins Hybrids will always have yesterday's technology,BEVs and Teslas in particular are the future,Goodbye Gas.🛑⛽&🛢️
The glass roof reduces the head clearance by a lot, I didn't buy one because of it. In fact, I got the model Y way cheaper than the prius prime.
I keep my cars a long time, like 20-30 years. The traction battery needing replacement at 10 yr/100k miles means the Prius is a much better value for me. Even if 10 years the Telsa will have very little resale as a replacement battery is not cost effective while a Prius battery replacement won't wipe out the value of the car.
I’m waiting for the day that Tesla owners begin complaining about the close of battery replacement.
I never thought I would say this, but the Prius looks nice
There a good aftermarket driver display for around $300 that also gives your model 3 or Y Apple CarPlay 😊. For those who don’t like the screen n the center only.
The Tesla has aged well and still looks modern overall. It's crashworthiness is proven as well. I just find the Prius to have higher quality in terms of build and a much more comfortable ride quality. Both cars are firm, it's not about firmness. I like firm. It's more absorption and damping is excellent in the Prius. Also, the 3 and Y feel kind of hollow and do have echos in the cabin. Maybe that's structural. Maybe it's been tamed in the "Highland," I don't know. One is BEV and the other is PHEV and PHEV can mimic BEV in some respects. Prius is newer and smaller inside for sure and I do like the convenience of a few strategically placed buttons. I use screens enough at work and in life so the novelty of using them has worn off on me.
I hate to sound so biased, but I just purchased the new Prius Prime and it’s the best overall vehicle I’ve ever owned. I have also owned an EV (ID4) and have rented others (Teslas). To me, there’s nothing that comes close to the Prius for under $70k. I know that many folks consider BEVs to be superior, but this Prius has me thinking that PHEVs are the better product. I’ve got my freedom back and my range feels limitless.
Side note: as a software engineer, the screens and perceived technologies in other brands aren’t really noteworthy to me; my laptop is fancier.
How does that huge glass roof the Tesla has work in sunny, hot climates, like the 115* Utah desert? Even with a car with a smaller sunroof and shade you could feel the heat radiating through.
The new version (Highland) of Model 3 is not just “minor tweaks” and style changes. That is a hugely redesigned and enhanced model for the same price! More silent, more efficient, better interior materials, etc. You really should have compared the Prius to the most recent version of Model 3! It is available here in Europe for a month already.
But the awful operator interface got even worse, with the deletion of the turn signal stalk.
@@kitgerhart8749to each their own. Many people love it.
I'm curious, the "refresh" model 3 gets rid of the shifting stalk. I always thought the stalk was for redundancy. If the screen goes out, at least you can still drive it. With no stalk, if your screen goes out, now you are stranded?
The refresh model 3 has a “physical” PRND selector overhead where the map lights are
5 years ago it made sense for me to buy my used 2015 Volt, which is paid off, still works for my commute on electric, and is way too cheap to get rid of. But I would only buy another plug in hybrid at this point if I didn't have home charging.
NO Toyota dealer will sell at m.s.r.p 5-10k mark up in normal . 5 yr. Cost of ownership should be the actual cost .
I say either all EV or all Hybrid. I am a Tesla owner and love them!
If you don't have home charging, and want this as an excuse to not buy an full BEV.. why go for a PHEV that is even more dependent on either home charging, (smaller battery) or just using the dino plant in the frunk and skip charging al together? Thats not helping
I drive a Prius prime and I'm averaging about 5.3 miles per kilowatt hour. The range is more than enough for my daily commute and with the 9 gallon tank I still have just under 700 miles of range on a single refuel and charge.
For daily commuters I rarely see Teslas getting better than 3.5 mi per kilowatt hour, and a friend's model 3 (2017) is only getting around 2.1. if we're talking about drive train efficiency especially somewhere where electricity is very expensive, daily use is half the cost in a Prius.
No, my M3LR gets over 4 miles/kWh during actual driving conditions.
Toyota for sure 👍👍 Thanks
The way you talk about each car tells me that you really like Tesla ALOT!
A few years ago, My wife’s Prius was driven with 1 quart of oil in it (normally it would be 4 quarts)for nearly 6 months (not my fault). I was so convinced it needed a new engine I started shopping on EBay, and they were going for like $100.00( complete engine assembly…LOL).
Toyotas just don’t freakn break…which also adds to their incredible resale value
You are lying. No Prius engine would cost $100.
Our family has a TM3 and an Atto3. Both are nice pure EVs with 60KWhr LiFePO batteries.
In terms of overall value, particularly around town family transport, the Atto is the best.
It is easier to park using its high resolution 360 cameras as well as better access getting in and out.
Both can easily handle 200 mile intercity trips without enroute recharge and arrive with a comfortable buffer. However, if enroute charging is needed the TM3 can easily access the excellent Super Charger network.
The Atto has a better ride for trips as well as a much better entertainment system featuring Apple/Android/AM,/FM/DAB+/Spotify/USB, and Bluetooth. It also has an automatic opening sun roof as well as automatic cloth sunscreen when closed.
The adaptive cruise is quite good on both vehicles with the Atto having a drive to detected speed limit feature and excellent active lane keeping.
The TM3 has better handling, particularly at speed and although the Atto is no slouch, the TM3 can accelerate a good deal faster. When it comes to fast charge speeds, the TM3 is about 50% faster than the Atto, it also has about 10% better range at highway speeds.
Around here, in terms of pricing, the Atto is about USD35,000, the TM3 is about USD42,000.
I have a glass roof and with the sliding panel that opens up to the glass open, you get about another inch of headroom. Also, you didn't talk about the area under the back mat. Maybe the Prime doesn't have it (?), but my XLE (not a plug-in Prius) has a bit more storage in that area. I have a 2012 that I've always loved and now have the 2024 which I love even more! The 2012 is still going strong! 170k miles on it and I haven't even changed the brake pads yet!
Major issue is EV deprectioina is faster the Hybrid due to constant priice dropping EZ Gen 1. Just take a look at a used Mode 3 resale price case in point.
How does maintenance costs compare ?
Great idea to do a comp test of these two. I was really impressed with the new Prius, but man-oh-man, it's not in the same league as the 3.
Right. It’s in a completely different league. It’s a PHEV.
Do you like running or power walking/speed walking?
B mode isn't actually for regen braking specifically. When you have it on you may notice the engine making notice when you stop; that's because B mode engages the engine braking. Engine braking isn't triggered by the brake pad normally but it is the standard in adaptive cruise control. Putting it in B mode will always engage it with regen.
We’ve had our second generation Chevy Volt for eight years next month and have a lifetime gas mileage of 171 MPG. EV only range. is about 45 miles in the winter and 55 miles in the summer. Very little of our driving is above 65 mph, which of course extends our range. We do have another car that we usually take on longer trips. It’s been a great transition technology, but the simplicity of an all electric car is the future. 95+ percent of our electricity comes from the sun. Over the next two or three years, we will replace both with Teslas.
It's the Prius for me, there isn't a large charging network around us. Plus having multiple Toyota dealerships around put my mind at ease should something go wrong I cannot wrench on myself.
I like the new Prius but they are not selling many here. It used to be that you would see 10, 20 Prius on the drive to work. Now you see 1-2 Prius but during the same time I see like 50-100 Teslas.
Why would you recommend a plug-in hybrid for owners without at home charging (6:58 into your video)? Better to go just the normal hybrid and not have to carry the extra weight of the PHEV.
Even if you don’t have that ability. Any extra power while you drive your hybrid will send that extra power towards the EV battery. 🔋 So, you may not have that option now, you could in the future and that is a nice bonus. 😮
Agree. Plugin hybrid without home charging doesn't make sense
I think the prius has the ability to charge the battery while driving (software setting). So it you ised the all electric range on a long journey you could still carge the battery and 40 miles before the end of your journey, be back in electric mode. Its all a compromise but does offer some flexibility.
Change the shutter speed on the camera to stop the led flickering
PHEV is the best option right now. No range anxiety for long trips (use gas or use onboard generator to recharge), no waiting, no overpaying the electricity at charging stations. Smaller battery takes way less time to charge. If the gas price is around $3 a gallon, the cost is way less than paying $.40/KW depends on your MPGe and the curb weight of your car. If you have a F150 Lightening you will be using a lot more juice than a Model 3 or Ioniq 5. For daily 60 miles or less commute, you are not buying gas anyway. PHEVs cost less for insurance and repair. In general the initial price of the car is less with the exception of Model 3 lately because of the price cuts, but can’t use Android auto or Apple CarPlay with Tesla. If you use the EV mode all the time with PHEV, your maintenance cost is about the same as a full EV, almost nothing.
Did you pop out of the woodwork from circa 2010?
Except the Prius is a turtle compared to the tesla. For the same price it’s not worth it.
If you are driving a Tesla, you will almost never have to wait at a charging station and charging is very easy and convenient. If using a CCS car (i.e. non-Tesla), it is a crap shoot how well DC fast charging will work and dealing with different apps for each charging network is definitely not convenient.
You usually save money with long distance trips in a Model 3 compared to an ICE vehicle, but the Prius is so fuel efficient that they end up costing about the same. To go 300 miles in the M3SR consumes 63.4 kWh, which would cost $19.02 at Superchargers charging $0.30 per kWh. (Tesla Superchargers typically charge between $0.25 and $0.36 per kWh.) The same 300 mile trip in a Prius would consume 5.36 gallons of gasoline, which at $3.50 per gallon would cost $18.75.
Prius Prime is the way, U can camp anywhere , no worry much electric or gas . Plus range anxiety when travelling long distance. Model 3 is good for local drive not to go mountains or Alaska Highway .
Great review of both cars. I previously drove a Volvo XC90 Recharge PHEV for 9 months before buying a Model 3 Long Range three months ago. The Volvo was a great car and I charged it every night, but it only had 28-30 miles of EV only range. That was enough range for weekend driving around town but pretty useless Monday through Friday. Therefore the Tesla M3 was the better fit for me. Tennessee has very low electricity rates (12 cents per KWh) so I essentially max out the fuel savings compared to gasoline ICE vehicles. The M3 is perfect for us “empty nesters” and we will be road tripping long distance soon. Well done guys.
We have 2 EVS and a PHEV in our family. The PHEV only gets us 17 miles of all electric range, but that's still good enough to routinely get us 700 miles per fill up, sometimes 800 miles. And this is on a tiny 9.75 gallon tank.
The key with PHEVs is your driving pattern. If you're doing a lot of short trips, where you can do 75% of your driving just on the battery, you can really get great results. If you're constantly doing 100 mile trips, yeah, the longer you drive, the more the battery becomes useless. The average US driver does 40 miles per day, so PHEVs definitely have their place, especially if you live in an apartment and don't have consistent access to an L2 charger.
good luck on road tripping - where you'll end up charging for many hours.
Hi team. I'm from Australia, an electrical engineer, but not an EV owner yet but interested. Like in these comments regarding rural America Australian driving distances outside cities can and are significant. I firmly believe a PHEV is ideal particularly given our public infrastructure is no way near where it needs to be. One thing to note as a risk for Australia is that we have strict mobile phone and driving laws. One challenge with cars like Tesla will be to put ALL functionality onto a screen which could potentially be illegal if Tesla goes too far, such as eliminating a turn indication stock for a distractive computer screen where drivers take their eyes off the road.
Nice to see the power increase on the Prius, the best thing about BEVs is really the instant power and driving dynamics... I can see these working for a lot of people especially those that don't give a damn about any power differences.
It would be nice to see Prius go away, and the CEO of Toyota get his finger out of his butt and start making great electric cars! This idiot spent more money wasted more money on stupid hydrogen cars hydrogen cars are ridiculous and this is what the CEO thought was a solution. What an idiot!
While the driving power is awesome, the thing I like about my Tesla is the savings and also never having to stop at a gas station.
The Tesla styling is like a revamped 1996 Ford Taurus. The PrIus is surprisingly more modern and has a more aggressive look and I love it.
For me Tesla is the clear winner. Additional questions would be which is less expensive to insure and costs for replacing tires?
Looks like the time is about to start when BEVs would be cheaper to purchase than anything with internal combustion engine without incentives.
Toyota has over $150 billion in debt (yes, billion). If they were to price their cars to actually make a profit then your statement would definitely be true.
Hi max. Could you talk about how to drive in the snow and correct skids w one pedal driving? We have converted to all EVs but some you can’t turn off one pedal driving. Thanks.
Snow coverage will come this winter!
Turn off regen and drive like a regular car
The new Tesla model is the 3 plus “highland”. How does the new Prius stack up to the new Tesla model 3?
8:27 - Not sure I follow you there…? Driving on gas, it’s still a very-efficient hybrid, so you get exceptional MPG.
I’m not sure about these new Priuses, but my 2017 Prius Prime actually gets very-slightly-higher MPG than the 2017 regular Prius. That, mostly because it had more battery space to regenerate into, and its battery wasn’t much heavier.
You might also want to know that w/ the older Prius Prime you really needed to put hard 80,000 mile tires on the car to get it to perform on the twisties. In that situation, compare the 2018 Prius Prime to earlier models Priusez and you will be so pleasantly surprised. The first Prius Prime was not designed as a "Prius" the earlier models were bad at handling and as shipped, with the soft tires, the Prius Prime handles pretty poorly. The poor handling on mountain roads can be fixed by adding the harder tires. It's like night and day.
let that sink in😮. new model 3 highland at the same price is a bargain
How many times can you make comments about build quality regarding the Tesla? How about talking about recalls and the cost of maintenance for Toyota (100% higher for Toyota)? I have a Model Y with 42k miles… tires and windshield wiper fluid are my only expenses. How many oil changes would you pay for the Toyota?
One pedal driving a Tesla is a super nice experience. There are charging stations all around me here in DFW. I see a Tesla in my future. That said, I like the Prius! Both are smart choices.
Physical turn signals is a MUST..!