2023 Prius Prime | Will a Reboot Fix It?
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- We do a detailed review of the new 2023 Toyota Prius Prime plug-in hybrid. This car pushes forward in every category, from EV range, HP, Style, and value. While the sedan market has moved to SUVs, with a bit of creativity, will this new Prius become popular again? Others to consider are Honda Civic, Mazda3, Toyota Corolla, Hyundai Elantra, and Tesla Model 3.
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00:00 Interior and Exterior
4:54 Mechanicals and Engineering
9:45 Driving Impressions
17:10 Final Thoughts 
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As the former owner of one 5th Gen and two 6th Gen Camaros, I have no objections with this vehicle's visibility.
Why are you a former owner? Great cars
@@ericdolby1622 He could never see where he's going :D
“Visibility? We don’t need no stinking visibility!”
@@d1sturb3d119 LOOL!
@@ericdolby1622: I still regret selling the last one: 2019 SS 1LE rendered in Red Hot. It was paid off, so I sold it to upgrade to a waterfront lot when purchasing a new construction build.
You know the car market is in shambles when u have to be put on a waiting list for a Prius
Looking at this car, I can see it having a waiting list for quite a while
Why? It’s a hybrid Toyota, those are so in right now
It literally came out looking like a Purosangue... Waiting list makes sense. For a market driven by aesthetics, this thing looks specatcular!
@@JollyGiant19 the battery needed for the plug-in capability requires more resources to create the lithium-ion vs. the standard hybrids that use the older nickel-metal hydride technology which are much older, less resource critical technology
Yeah and Tesla and even Rivian can make vehicles at a reasonable clip now. This seems like mostly a Toyota problem.
They overcame the two main problems: looks and power.
@DOGS LOL imho, 3rd gen looked kinda cool at the time but people weren’t ready to say that about a hybrid. 4th gen was over designed and cars like the civic and mazda 3 started hitting 40mpg hwy, which made it hard to stand out
Pretty much the best looking car Toyota makes, sports cars included.
@anydaynow LC500, GR86, GR Supra. All look better. Granted the Supra barely does.
I had a 2005, I don't know what Gen that was, but it would go around corners like the 2000 Porsche Boxster I had.
etc but the main problem I noticed is that it is smaller by a lot compared to the previous generation. So we're drivers and Camp drivers cannot buy it. This will affect business. It's just too small of a car overall even smaller than the old old Prius....but looks like a new Tesla ...
It's refreshing to hear dedicated motor heads honestly evaluating a car from a segment that motor heads struggle to accept. Well done, guys.
They don't struggle to accept it, they just don't understand the virtue signaling . Its niche for Uber/Lyft and all those cheapos who think they're saving when in fact the retail price on this new edition is way higher than before and that doesn't include markups and ADP. You're better off with a Corolla Hybrid than this .
@@malignantnarcissism5892 The Corolla is unacceptably slow for day-to-day driving. I had a Mazda 3 with 10 more horsepower, 20 more LB-FT, and about 350 less lbs and that was *slow*. I couldn't imagine how slow the Corolla would be and it would likely make it unusable for use on the highway where I live.
This seems much more acceptable, has an actual electric range, and if I got the solar roof option I would probably only have to plug it in a few times a year and would only have to fill the fuel before it goes bad.
"ViRtUe SiGnAlIng" notwithstanding.
@@malignantnarcissism5892Prius starts at $27,000 while Corolla hybrid starts at $23,000. The Prius is significantly faster and gets more MPG. And before you say anything, it is 100% possible to get one at MSRP because I did back in March
Motor heads have other fish to fry. Electric steering doesn't have great feedback. When the battery gets discharged your horsepower takes a big dip. Not a problem for the average driver.
@@tim3172 as an owner of a Corolla Hybrid, why would you say it's unacceptably slow? I spent almost 15 years in a Yaris and it was approx the same performance as my Corolla. It's certainly no race car but it is by no means unacceptable.
This is the first iteration of the Prius that actually looks good and I would consider buying.
You don't like the Corolla/Echo look of the 2001-2003?
“Consider” BUT most like never buy.
@@aspecreviews funny enough I used to have a neighbor that had that car… Ugliest thing on wheels at that time!
It's still fucking ugly.
@@EdA-bz3bu against all odds this car is possibly the ultimate contender for a commuter car actually, as in heavily consider
What a great Prius. I would have NEVER even looked at one and now I'm test driving them.
Toyota dealers are going to bend you over so far if you really want one of these. 10,000 examples is basically nothing. That's a tiny fraction of RAV4 production, and you can hardly find one of those, especially the hybrid. As to the Prius' appliance character, they've always been appliances. My Gen II was awful to drive, but it was by far the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned. Even two teenagers couldn't kill it. They could ding it up pretty badly, though.
Almost every dealer on this: MSRP +7500-10000, doesn't want to pay it? NP just go away.
If you willing to wait 5 to 6 month , you can order one for MSRP . I will get mine deliver July . Toyota does not offer any financial incentives for this one. I will get SE Prime for 37,000 on the road.
It should be noted that you can use the extremely hard plastic on the dashboard as a nail file.. so youre saving like 50 cents there over most cars though.
Yep, pretty much any car in this sector is a commuting appliance. Maybe as time goes on they will ramp production, but since other car companies have tied up battery contracts for years to come unless Toyota starts making their own battery factories they are going to be supply constrained for the forseable future, which is a shame. The last time a PHEV this good came out was the Gen 2 Volt. In fact the price for those Gen 2s have just been going up around here as time goes on, who would have thought a commuting appliance was an investment!
Prius sales are at a decade low. This year or next Tesla will pass Toyota in sales on their home turf, California. Toyota is done except for rental and fleet as they actually have others make a sister car for them(i.e. Subaru, BMW...)
Honestly the only downside to me is the EXTREMELY limited availability. I'd grab one of these in a heartbeat if I could actually find one in a configuration that I like
Your first sentence sounds like a pitch for an advertising campaign for a professional cloning clinic. Or, maybe I'm just tired lol. "Honestly, the only downside to me...is the extremely limited availability. It can be hard sharing one's self with the world. Here at Kamino Clone Plus, we genetically engineer out the guess work to multiply your influence..." Yeah...definitely too tired.
@@JesseArt haha it does now that I re-read it, but it’s true. They’re making super limited amounts and you can’t even custom order one, which is why I won’t be buying one anytime soon :(
It's true - since the pandemic, Toyota has shifted to a production model that makes it virtually impossible to find certain vehicles (particularly the Prime variations) without exorbitant dealer markups, due to their low production volume.
@@VideoAmericanStyle yep! It really sucks because I really love some of their new vehicles, but I refuse to settle for a half baked config that isn’t exactly what I want
Prius is losing money due to Tesla. Now Toyota delaership are offering this car with mark up. I wonder if Toyota is pissed off
It's fun to think about the remote possibility of Toyota getting crazy and building an AWD GR Prius, which if well-executed, would be a REALLY interesting car.
And sell a Subaru Wilderness version with 9” ground clearance. 😁
Let's be honest that would be a huge win for Subaru. They are sooooo far behind in efficient powertrains. Fun as hell though
Here's something funny. There are some rumours that Toyota is giving the Prius a proper GR treatment which is going to be announced at Le Mans.
We don't know if it's an actual product or just a proof of concept, but it'll be interesting to see haha
If they take the concept of the Mclaren P1 and really fine tune the hybrid drivetrain, it'll be a winner in my book.
@@lucasokeefe7935 fun as hell until they hit 50k miles and the carbon buildup from direct injection causes it to run like garbage, then the motor blows up at 60k despite changing the oil every 5k. speaking from experience lol. luckily I got a new motor under warranty.
With DD’s videos being more apparent sales pitches for Cars and Bids these days, I am appreciating more then ever SG’s reviews. Thanks for being awesome, for not taking yourselves too seriously, and most of all for the really informative videos.
Thumbs up! I am here and not watching DD's channel.
I feel like DD’s review style is WAYY dated. With all the POV Drive type reviewers as well as ultra cinematic reviewer types, Dooog’s 3 1/2 second drives and librarian style monologue’s. Yea, I’ve also def kinda cooled out on how often I watch his post’s.
Who is DD? Yes I am new.
Always loved SG over DD. SG is like an old dude gently explaining to the millennial kids the pitfalls and the advantages. DD is a millennial overexcited bro
Savagegeese = facts, car stuff
Doug = quirks and features
I absolutely love this car. I never thought I’d say I love a Prius but legit, I’m trying to convince my girlfriend to get one. My week with the car I got 83mpg overall since I plugged it in enough, and that’s with a few 150+ mile road trips.
So your top priority in a car is mileage...🤔 I'm sure your girlfriends boyfriend approves.
@@TermlessHGW my wife’s boyfriend approves too
Dodge dart?
@@TermlessHGW You do know it's possible to have a daily AND a weekend car? This is a perfect daily for someone concerned with efficiency.
@@TermlessHGW don't knock Doug, he's cool as hell. Taught me how to fish.
I love when my megacorp dips their toes in the meme game.
Akio Toyoda is something of a dank memelord.
"No more boring cars"
Thank you Akio Toyoda-san.. ❤
Imagine owning a brz and get passed by this on the highway. Great review as always guys.
Priuses have been 100mph+ cars for a while now. If you want to pass everyone on the highway, basically any car will do it. If someone buys a BRZ to do Texas highway drag racing, they're a moron. That's a twisty road car.
@@JETZcorp pruises aren't a car for anything but commuting.
@@alexstromberg7696 Hey, guess what everyone does with every car 90% of the time? The Prius is also ideal for road trips and taxi duty. But yeah, if you want a Texas Mile car, don't buy a BRZ or a Prius.
Still though, even if you do drive a 1,200hp ZL1 with nitrous, unless you're actively doing Cannonball pace on the 405, a Prius can match your speed over the road. Fast cars aren't fast point-to-point unless you're prepared to break laws and have lawyers on retainer.
@@JETZcorp Speeding isn't as dramatic as you make it sound. People most of the time don't get caught, and if they do, it's a simple speeding ticket. Cars for enthusiasts are about the thrill and engagement of the drive. Priuses are appliances. They now have a decent 0-60 but that's not where joy or engagement comes from. You are correct that every car commutes 90% of the time but fail to mention the difference in driving dynamics/fun/engagement or anything else that makes a fun car fun to drive as they commute. To say they do the same thing just as well is disingenuous otherwise there would only be singular CAR to buy. That being said, I would consider the new Prius as a new car buy for a long-term commuter because that's what they're built for. And the BRZ/86 I would consider if I want to have fun every day I commute to work. Choices, choices.
@@ilovebanks1526 I get what you're saying, since I'm literally in my Miata right now. However I think a disappointing number of people derive their car enthusiasm entirely from spec sheet performance. A large percentage of modern performance cars drive like 500hp Priuses with uncomfortable springs. This is the kind of person who scoffs at the idea of getting a BRZ because it's not powerful, and gets offended by the idea of a Prius ever crossing their 3/9 line. These are the kinds of people who need to be reminded that even a 2001 Prius WILL do felony speeds, so worrying about getting passed by one is pointless. As you point out, the real goal is engagement, which IMO you get about the same amount of in a Prius or an M4 at same speeds. That's why I lean towards cars like Miata, BRZ, or even really slow stuff like Mk.I VWs.
I love the butt cream joke as a subtle analogy for the bending over and taking it hard from the dealer to get one of these.
If only you could buy direct
I see the 2017 Chevy Volt. What a shame that GM failed to sell/explain what they had.
I love my 2018 Prius.. 77k miles and never had any issues and its gotten 54.6 MPG over that time.. and i commute at 80+ MPH
VW new Jetta has the legs to get 50 mpg in non-hybrid. Its really not that hard to do.
@@jamesmedina2062 I don’t trust VWs metrics and claims.
Maybe, but it ain't gonna be issue free in a Jetta
@@jamesmedina2062you get better mpg with highway driving with gasoline engine. Hybrid excels in stop and go traffic and less so with highway
I’m excited what Toyota will reveal next week. People speculate it’s a GR Prius. I’m liking the new design but if a GR ver is introduced, then it will def push me into buying one. Saw a new Prius the other day and I stood there for a moment to appreciate the new design. Really nice car.
There will be no GR Prius lol! That's an online joke.
That concept reveal at lemans looks more like a race car, not a gr prius
Agreed, whoever did the design for this needs to do the mk5 GR body kit of the BMW Z4.
Either way, the 5th gen hybrid system in the new Prius probably has a very good chance of being put into other Toyota vehicles, which will probably make those vehicles awesome
If they'd just reveal a sensible production target on their hybrids I'd be happy, instead of these ludicrously low quantities they've been shipping.
I went and sat in one of these because we were looking for a fuel efficient second car, and I VERY quickly learned that if you're over 6 feet tall (I'm 6'2"), it's incredibly difficult to get in and out of. I bashed my knees on the steering column, while pulling my back and bashing my head on the roof. Honestly, I had less trouble getting in and out of a Lamborghini Huracan I rented to drive on the track in Vegas. Looks great, but sacrifices were made. We bought an Accord Hybrid instead - I actually fit in it easily lol
It can’t be worse than getting in and out of a 2-door coupe Audi TT. I’m 6’4” and have a TTS and still have an inch or two of headroom.
That’s sad to hear. I was curious how I’d fit. Im 6’3.
I was expecting this, unfortunately. Miss coupes.
I am 6ft and have no problem with the previous generation (2022) on headroom or getting in and out. Thanks for the info.
I’m 6’9. Couldn’t be harder than getting in an out of a Urus at 6’9.
That tire size for the 17s and 19s is a brand new size. Dealers are gonna want 300-400 dollars for one tire.
And not be able to replace it on road trips.
I don’t know why they would’ve done that. Didn’t Honda get in trouble with the tire size for an Oddsey?
Eh. Not like the car explodes if it has a slightly different size on it. At least if you're getting a set.
All dealers are stealer - ships. Some less than others like Toyota and Lexus
What size is it? Why would they do that?
The non-plug in version will be sweet too.
With the part sharing of hybrid components between Toyota and Mazda, I'd love to see a PHEV Mazda 3. One can dream!
no point of that. but i wonder if they shouldve put a kei car engine and used moreelectrci power , the weight savings etc mayeb woudlve been worth it in emissiosn reduction, weight reduction for crash saftey and insurance etc
Why
@@stevemiller1626 I can't answer for @Lightsout565x, but I would guess for the way the 3 looks and drives. Mazda really nailed the design, the interior quality is real nice and like almost all Mazda's it drives in a way that is satisfying if you're into driving.
I want to thank you so much for putting in the extra effort to produce at least some of your videos in HDR. I know most viewers still can’t take advantage of it, but for those of us who can, it’s a noticeable upgrade. Mostly because you already have such beautiful cinematography.
Always deliver the best reviews... great job!
As an s2000 and Tundra owner, this will be the perfect third car for my wife and I. Decent driving dynamics, comfortable, amazing on gas and will last forever. Gonna get one of these and use it for all the snowboard and mountain bike trips that we don't need the truck for!
This would be a perfect commuter car
I love that you guys dont do hasty reviews. other reviewers don't put as much effort into understanding all the characteristics or ethos of the car. You guys make an effort to talk to the designers. That's why I love this channel, you guys care about making quality content.
It's gone from looking like a late 90s computer mouse to a recon shuttle from a starship.
Best exterior design from Toyota in quite a while! I do hate long dashboards and huge A pillars though. Still bet this will sell like crazy.
The Camry still looks great.
This is an unusually positive review for you guys; like you had basically nothing negative to say as long as one remember it is a Prius. I’ve owned a Prius and this seems overall very compelling.
Hey mark and jack, Thanks so much for an awesome and detailed review. Just something I wanted to note. I think the color grading in hdr is probably the best I've seen you guys do so far. Only placed I noticed that looked a little off was at 16:37 but I think thats just because of the sun in relation to the camera? otherwise loved it all and thanks for being awesome.
Thank you for the videos you do in HDR. Even the Prius one.
I saw one of these at Costco last week. It looks really good in person! I would definitely consider one of these if I was in the market.
The windshield looks like it’ll get hit by lots of rocks.
cant wait a 2024 Mazda CX-90 Phev Review!
Great review as always! I'm really enjoying the HDR. It doesn't sear my eyes with surface of the sun brightness like most HDR videos do on RUclips. :)
I got on the list for the 2024 Prius Prime in Montreal and I will be waiting for 12-18 months. I really appreciate your robust interviews and insights. I really wish they could make more of these.
I have driven one and it really is the perfect appliance. And it is actually very fun and sharp to drive under 7/10ths like Mark said.
I'll bet it'd do better than that without the MPG Gumball Special tires.
@@tonysterbenc indeed some guys put performance tyres and different wheels on it, it handled better around a track. Looked kind of funny with the smaller wheels they had
Great video, I really dig the styling
+1 Name that tune; .... Those were the days, my friend... We thought they'd never end ... We'd sing and dance forever and a day
Love your videos guys!
Great review as always Mark. The bummer for me is lack of AWD, they should have put the motors to drive the rears.
I really wanted to wait for one of these, but knowing the market right now we pulled the trigger on a 4th gen Prius LE in February for a reasonable price. It's definitely goofy looking and not fast, but it's so damn practical I can't help but love it. In the right conditions you can hit 60 MPG relatively easily and 2021 and 2022 MYs have CarPlay so you're not missing out on too much tech either. I do think PHEVs are pretty much the ideal vehicle right now though.
This new HDR footage looks absolutely spectacular! Makes these already phenomenal videos better still to watch👍🏻
Great HDR work! 👍🏻
I miss the 15 inch wheels on the last gen prius, I guess tires can no longer be considered low running cost on the new prius
i wonder if its much worse. its big diameter but lot thinner, so mass maybe not worse, but availability of the tire maybe a problem ... but i think its gonanbecome a more common tire not just because toyota is popularizing it, but also because itll appear in other cars because its connection to the car is higher up, giving more ground clearance without the connecting part sticking out under the car, so areoydnamics will be better. thinness also helps areodynamics and low rolling ressitence and lessfrictionwhen turning (agility, less tire wear), and it looks like art deco dramatic sports car big wheel on outside if not paying attention to thinnesss of the wheel when its turning(most people arnt paying much attention).
@@kalmmonke5037 i don't see any other cars coming out with that size. I think toyota developed that size and your options will be crappy 500 treadwear tires for $350
@@maxheadroom224 similar to bmw i3 , bmw i8 , and i think gordon murrray t43 was considering something similar . maybe they shouldve gave a option for it to also work with more common tires for tire repalcement avilability, because this approach isnt popualr enough
switch out the rims for smaller ones
@@kalmmonke5037 yeah no.
Bmw i3 uses 155 and 175 in 19 and 20. Bmw i8 uses 215 and 245 in 20.
New prius uses 195 in 17 and 19 with OD of 26.7.
Old prius was mainly 195 65 r15 with OD of 25
195/65 r
I saw the new Prius the other day for the first time. All the added horsepower and torque, dude was still driving it like a first gen Prius. The car itself was never the problem…
The first gen had 258 lb-ft.
@@aspecreviews first gen had more torque then the current one? That thing didn’t even have disc brakes in the rear🤷♂️ in any case, you’re just making my point, it’s the shitty drivers, not car
@@hyogomarume8345 there's a reduction gear in Gen3 and up. After the reduction, Gen3 had 413 lb-ft. This Prime has ~485. All of these numbers are measured @ 0 rpm.
You guys have the best car reviews on youtube.
I have a 2021 Prius Prime. I’d absolutely love the new drivetrain, but I’m glad I have excellent headroom for adults in the rear seat, and tons of glass providing visibility in all directions. This new generation is two steps forward, one step back.
We have a 2010 Prius, and when I test-sat your generation of Prius, I was highly (lowly?) disappointed specifically in the lack of rear-seat headroom. I can only imagine how bad I'd think the new one is.
@@tonysterbencwe have a 2010 also. It’s the second best car we’ve ever had. Our Prius V is the best.
A few years ago, we replaced Prius with Clarity PlugIn. Bigger, smoother, quieter and more efficient. Haven’t driven the new Prius but have a feeling that the discontinued Clarity is still at least as good if not better than the new Prius. Clarity was a car before its time. 😉
Absolutely. This new Prius just appeals to younger folk who think it looks cool.
I totally agree. People are talking about this car like the Clarity didn't do it better - 5 years ago!
The Clarity is hideous though. I guess when you’re sitting inside it, you can’t tell.
@@DJPleasureSeekingMissle yeah, the new Prius looks very good. The interior of Clarity (especially Touring in beige) looks and feels very premium.
(Slightly) longer range on the Clarity too. I wish SG had gotten to review it (and its crazy suspension 😆) and draw from that when evaluating the Prius Prime. To me as a former Clarity Touring owner, it still wins as the better proposition overall.
I want one to replace my old Prime, buy can't find any at MSRP. There is no way in hell I'm paying 6k over no matter how much better it is over the outgoing model.
You have to be rich in order to buy a new car nowadays.
Get a new dealer, I paid MSRP for my 23 prime
@@mrtoymeister congrats, great buy.
I hate EV's and have laughed and mocked them from the get-go. I saw one of these in the flesh before I knew what I was looking at and my honest first-impressions were very favourable - it's quite an attractive car. Then I saw it was a Prius and I was genuinely gobsmacked. Suddenly, I see the future for these things in a way that doesn't get up my nose.
I love the 4k HDR and the blown out highlights in the shop lmao love you guys
Its the first Prius I wouldn't be embarrassed to be seen in.
I'm borderline boomer age and still laugh at ever single crass joke - a channel with heart!
I’m so sick of all the lifted station wagons (SUVs) that people think are so cool and buy by the gazillions. This Prius is a refreshing, modern vehicle that I hope will change the market back to cars.
Haaaa, some of your innuendo's during the cab storage are hilarious! (Best body, tush cush, Miracle Massage, all funny!). Always enjoy your candid, honest reviews, and the mechanical & tech comments are very helpful, as are your driving impressions.
It’s gonna be a great buy in 5 years!
Were I in the market for a new daily this would be very high up on the list--looks great, reasonable power, great efficiency, cargo room, and will last forever--Toyota did a great job IMO and now having seen a few on the roads in-person I think they'll sell out very, very quick. Thanks as always for the great video, cheers from CA!
I will buy 2 in cash if the dealer waives the $10K+ markup. Standard Prius they want $5k worth of “paint protection package”. This is SF Bay Area.
Thank you for still making these honest unbiased videos.
Thanks for sharing!
We got an old Prius for my wife, and the first thing I did was ditch the gas mileage tires for tires with real traction. Now it gets 45 mpg instead of 48, but it also doesn't slide all over the road and it handles much better than you'd think. I'd be very interested to hear the handling review of this car with really good tires on it, and if it gets 37 miles of EV range and then 48 mpg insted of 43 miles and then 53 mpg, who cares?
The Hybrid is better and won.t leave you stranded in the middle of no where and mine can give 50-55 in fairly flat areas without high head winds and bad traffic, mine is 10 years old Hybrid with 180,000 miles and ZERO major problems...
@@77.88. Similar story here. 13 years (bought used), 154k miles, zero crises.
Most Prius drivers try to get every mile per gallon they can get.
@@nickiemcnichols5397 I know. That's why they got a Prius. In my case, my wife wanted a commuter with perfect reliability and, of course, great gas mileage. She was also driving long distances alone through less-than-trustworthy areas in all kinds of weather. With better all season tires, the car's strengths remained strong and its weaknesses were somewhat less weak.
With tax incentives, the Model 3 LR is now cheaper and you get so much more and don't have to wait 6-9 months to get one and or deal with markups. None of the Toyota dealers near me will sell this without added markups or forcing you to buy expensive add-ons (paint and upholstery protection, nitrogen, window tint, etc). Add in dealer fees (that Tesla does not charge) and you will pay thousands over MSRP most likely.
No one cares about EV
@@porfiriato84 Tell that to the 1.4 million people who bought a Tesla last year.
Seen one in person yesterday and damn never would have guessed it was a Prius looked good!
I like this new Prius, but Chevy Volt⚡ did it 12 years ago. Just waiting for the test drive to see for myself if it's somewhat worth to pull the trigger... Keep going with the nice work.
We need to see a drag race between the Prius and the GR86 🙏🙏
-- that's gonna be awful...and i'm here for it.
@@jlui21 if you search prius vs gr86 there's a track day video and also a Japanese video which has a standing start race
Is there enough room for your estrogen and progesterone meds you take daily ?? Is your butt cream hemorrhoid cream or just waterless lube you love ??
I remember the big "cab forward" push in the early 90s. The Eagle Vision TSi was another example.
Wish they'd bring back the Prius v
I saw one with a $10,000 markup. Toyota is allowing its dealers to destroy the brand.
I don't know that Toyota has much choice. They're independent businesses that are free to set prices, and that's a fact that has bedeviled all the automakers except Tesla (who's fought titanic battles against state dealer associations even though they don't have any franchised dealers to begin with). This is why Toyota imposed very strict behavioral standards on any dealer who wanted in on Lexus when they founded it in 1989, and they tried and failed to do the same with Scion.
Large dash reminds me a bit of the GM APV (Lumina/TransPort/Silhouette)
Don't mis-capitalize the Trans Sport! ugh! UGH!
Stil have my gen 2, '07. I'm nearing a 1/4 of a million miles with the original battery (never even had to change even an individual cell).
These are solid vehicles with an extremely refined hybrid drive train over it's multiple decades of existence.
These two are my go to for any car review
The visibility (lack of) is a major sticking point for me. If you wanted fuel economy there are other options like Accord or Camry Hybrid that give you nearly as good MPG, while being better in almost every other way. You'll pay the same price too.
I haven't seen these on the road in NY yet.
I agree, I think people are just going crazy over it because they think it looks cool.
I’ve seen 4 (5) on the road so far excluding 1 on a dealer lot. It’s now 8.
And Civic will have a hybrid later this year.
I’ve seen a few of these upstate NY
Can’t get an Accord or Camry Hybrid Hatchback/Wagon tho.
I can't wait to buy one in 10 years when I can afford it and not have to wait on a list
now I feel guilty buying three Porsches
@@cbatiau2528 I just bought a 1998 Nissan Sentra with band paint and smashed in bumpers, all I could afford. 😂
@@fortheloveofnoise9298 If it was more than $800, then it was overpriced
Wow, thanks for having a different perspective from the rest. I do wish they kept the practicality of the rear seats
Wife hence me by extension have the PriusV, and when comparing rear seat specs the new one we’d be sacrificing over two inches of leg room and nearly three of leg room with the V’s seats pushed back (they can go fore and aft). It’s surprising how much room they sacrificed for this design.
My folks have a 2010 prius with almost 200k miles that is ageing poorly and i've been trying to get them to replace it with a newer prius. But these newer generation model all sacrifice visibility and useability for these features that everyone wants apparently. The older car might be a rattling tin can but it's got great glass visibility and a simple radio. The massive touch screen and included blindspots just scare them away unfortunately.
Honestly a base 4th gen would be a better buy for them. Same great visibility, and better refinement and reliability updates under the hood. Should be fairly cheap to find now too.
As a Rav 4 prime chaser I was shocked to see the limited availability, dealer markups, and haggling. Ordered Tesla model y and now own it. Every time I drive it brings a smile on my face ! These vehicles are expensive . At this point Tesla is absolutely killing it ! This is the ground reality ! I foresee more and more Teslas till Toyota comes with a solid state battery idea ! Unless price drop on these vehicles and they have a transparent dealership experience
I would own one of these. I commute 44 miles round trip every day. I know the EV range would probably be 20-35 miles or so but every little bit would help. And it looks incredible in my opinion.
You might make it; it depends a lot on your weather conditions. My 2017 Prime is rated for 25 EV miles, and I routinely achieve that and more unless it's very hot or very cold (New England: hot summers, cold winters). If you're a hard gas, hard brake style driver (like my husband- speeding, tailgating, zooming up to stop signs, etc. ), you likely won't see 44 miles, but if you optimize by hypermiling, you'll likely get more than 44 (again, depending on seasonal temperatures).
Cab forward a concept Chrysler grow from the times it owned Lomborgini. I used to have a Chrysler voyager with Koni shocks. Loved the drive position on that boxy van. Great presentation, thank you!
Chevy did a great job here with the 3rd gen Volt. Glad it sounds like the market has finally caught up to the product.
Are those still catching on fire? 🔥
@@chrisb9478You sound like a Chevy dealer, getting the Bolt and Volt confused while trying to sell me an Equinox instead.
The Prius has always been for people who can see past the sheet metal. It is a common sense vehicle with lots of interior space, low cost of ownership and great fuel economy. I have driven our Gen 3 coast to coast three times and had to make extra stops to refuel the humans in between the gas stops. Can't wait until this plug-in becomes widely avail, until then I'll just enjoy the videos and my Gen 3.
I owned the RAV4 Prime with the same power train and powertrain options and it’s awesome…I loved being able to hold it in EV mode when driving locally, and then have the engine charge the motor while on long drives on the highway so I had EV power for local roads (which is a better driving experience than an ICE). Also reallllly like that you can keep it in EV only mode (I think it’ll stay in it up to 80mph unless some other extreme things are happening) even when you floor it.
Geat channel, and as always great video. I have only one request, if possible, can you guys please write the numbers of speed/distance/fuel economy in metric system at least somewhere in the bottom of screen? Any way, thanks againg for your job.
I just saw that you haven't reviewed a Tesla since the model 3 two years ago. I wonder if it's interesting enough to review at this point (mid 2023) with the hardware changes and the general reduction of cult-ish fan behavior.
just feels like the main line sedans (camry, accord) and compacts (civic and corolla) have hybrids that do the same mpg and cost less. Not sure where prius fits in anymore, it looks good I guess but the space is compromised
Those models don't have a Prime version PHEV.
@@ytj22 and they also cost significantly less. you'd have to do a hundred thousand miles to offset the cost of the Prime PHEV.
@@ytj22 mate the prius prime, in the cheapest trim before dealer markups, is 1.5k cheaper than a 3SR after incentives.
So yeah.
Plugin hybrids are basically dead cause they cost as much as a BEV, have higher maintenance and running costs and only make sense if you can charge at home.
lol! I remember that "cab forward" commercial in the 90's.
I love your car reviews.
This is THE best Toyota Prius Prime reviews and I watched a lot :) The only thing I wonder what happens to the "fun" factor if I fit 215 or 225 tires on it.
Slam it down to the ground, get some crazy offset wheels, loud exhaust. JDM for lyfe brah.
I have driven the new Prius and don't like it. The instrument cluster is weird, the cabin is too small, and the seats are uncomfortable. For that kind of money the Camry hybrid is a way better buy.
dude please!!! There are far worse drivers in Subaru wagons and lifted F-250's! Both extremes in respective camps of owners
@@jamesmedina2062 I drive an Ioniq hybrid i'm definitely a hybrid fan, its just my observation that I don't like the new Prius it has nothing to do with the drivers.
Haha the random ungraded CLOG footage at 16:36. Great review though guys!
This is WAYYYYYY better than the last one. It actually looks good. The past version made me throw up. The fact its actually got some passing power now really makes this a good car.
Hi Mark- How does Prius Prime compare to the regular (non- plugin) Prius? Please do a comparison video between the two models sometime in the future.
This is the first Prius that doesn't automatically set off my 'Roid Rage and hit the driver with rolling coal like a coked up gorilla. I now feel like a well integrated human being. Thank you, Toyota.
that was funny but pretty self-effacing too
This would be a perfect city or commuter car. Does on a very short list of hybrids I would call reliable.
Jack clinging for dear life to the oh Shit handle really says a lot.
Problem with it right now is without dealer discounts or Toyota incentives, with a higher MSRP, and no federal incentive, this would cost $12,000 more than people paid for the previous gen.
Also other OEMs have gotten around battery production problems. They just planned ahead. Toyota is having production problems for all of their cars. They can't blame batteries anymore.
it's way nicer than the previous gen and this is norm in terms of pricing. a new non turbo mazda3 HB is 14k more than wife's last gen ..and it's the exact same drivetrain. at least the prius is massively improved whereas mazda downgraded it with the torsion bean and still hiked prices by 50% lol
My dad's Dodge Intrepid was one of the first cars I drove and he used to tell me that it was "Lamborghini inspired"... So then this pile is as well?
P.s. bz4 inspired dash is garbage! Everytime Toyota tries to be innovative it's a clown-show.
it works fine and looks fine to me. I think for looks you will find them in the Lexus products
Two things I don't like is........ 1) the fixed glass roof. I want the roof to open. And 2) I don't see the rear wiper on the back window. I had a 2nd gen Prius and I'm a person who used the rear wiper. Really helped with vision.
I have a 2010 Prius and cool thing about that raked back windshield is you watch the bugs come up over the hood and keep going over the glass! Very few bug splats!
Toyota's claim of limited resources would be believable, if it weren't for the fact that Tesla is producing millions of EVs per year now, and Toyota can only seem to make a few thousand PHEVs. If Toyota were making millions of PHEVs, then I'd say their argument holds water.
Yeah this is marketing BS. Are they saying just the powertrain + power supply? 70 : 1 for the entire car is total misinformation FUD. Don't believe Toyota...even though this new Prius is undoubtedly a beauty.
I'd rather have a hybrid the infrastructure for evs is decades behind the vehicles. No nuclear power everywhere no long range batteries no 5 min full charges no chargers everywhere like gas stations. They just are not there yet.
@@kirksmith347that's not relevant to the point you're replying to. You're basically inserting your own preference and opinion in another poster's thread. Start your own comment chain.
8-Bit Guy, you make a damn good point, unfortunately.
Tesla is global imposed totalitarian SCAM, EDUCATE yourself.