Mustang Mach E | The Result of Forcing EVs
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- We revisit the all-electric Mustang Mach E SUV to discuss the changes and problems with the car. While there are many great things to come from electric vehicles, forcing and rushing them to market at high prices is catching up with people and the brands. We discuss the pros and the cons. Others to consider are the Hyundai Ioniq 5, Tesla Model Y, Kia EV6, and Nissa Ariya.
#cars #engineering #business
Index:
00:00 Intro
00:37 Mechanical Changes and Problems
7:37 Driving Impressions
13:24 Final Thoughts 
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Seeing the prices of new cars these days (ICE or EV) is just wild, and seeing sales fall off a literal cliff as soon as interest rates went up makes it abundantly clear - manufacturers did not expect interest rates to increase in the way that they have. They're pricing at least half or in many cases, most, of their lineups out of reach for most folks. It's simply asinine what average sales prices are right now and people are having to get 7-8 year loans just to buy them. It's not just EVs, the whole industry is NOT looking good.
I’m not in the market for a new vehicle at the moment - I like my current truck and have no valid reason to replace it. But I really wonder if you went in to a dealership and lowballed them - would they not take the deal? You’d think they’d want the car off their lot. Just low ball them and walk if they say no - just seems like they’ll eventually call you back. I could be wrong but seems to me they are going to be desperate to get rid of it.
Except Tesla keeps dropping price... Funny how Ford or most others think their first gen inferior EV should be priced higher than the industry leader..
@@ShenghongZhangit isnt that they think they should. Its that they literally cant due to how far behind tesla they are.
New car prices are stupid and all these manufacturers thought the price gouging pandemic prices would last forever but as usual their slow pace of being able to adapt to ever changing market trends has them assed out again almost like 2008.
Tons of greed going on too. Cost cutting plus price hikes for every brand.
Mark trying to keep his grin from his face when reading the drive mode descriptions made my day
In the UK, high initial price, high insurance and massive depreciation have turned the EV dream into a financial nightmare.
Yup people like to boast 'gas savings' but forget about the expensive insurance costs
@@Argedis and the stress on the power grid
@@Electronica27as if oil pumps don’t use electricity. And keep in mind, the grid keeps improving every year.
@@beanapprentice1687 clearly not fast enough with the recent blackouts.
@@Electronica27 what recent blackouts?
We have a 2023 Mach E… it definitely is a very special vehicle. It has completely changed my life in a good way.
I’ve always said they should have waited to throw a Mustang badge on an EV and used the edge brand on their first EV SUV. I stand by that
"Mustangs are recognizable as Mustangs. This is not one of them" Is my only thought when I see one of these.
@@johnstuartsmiththey would do better is they would drop the mustang name from this vehicle
Good point, I also think Lightning would've been a great brand name for their EVs, not just the F150
I like Ford Galax-E
I've owned 9 Mustangs over the past 33 years, and I'm of the opinion Ford should have never pissed us older generation off by EVER naming an EV a Mustang.
Thank goodness for this channel. No shilling, just straight up a real world perspective on the cars and the car industry. Someone's got to be looking out for the consumers, cause sure as hell Motortrend aint doing it.
Let’s hope they don’t get gobbled up the corpos and start being one of the major publications.
Yep, even when they shill the japanese manufacturers, they still made their objectives clear and be critical
auto trend serves at the pleasure of the car industry. These guys are talking about the best way to spend disposable income. Different priorities. Mine aligns with the latter.
This is why they don’t get invited to all press events because they can’t be bought. Best auto reviewer channel on YT by far.
The only EV making sense out there is the Chevy BOLT. Designed as a commuter car, where it's 260 miles is PLENTYFUL for daily commuting/errand vehicle that is affordable for the majority. Easily chargeable at home not having to rely on shitty chargers. M3/MY are overpriced and over engineered, but do have a good charging network, meaning ok for someone who drives a lot on long distances.
Interesting thoughts. I bought a mach-e a year ago and have since put over 20000 miles on it. I absolutely love not having to buy gas. i also live in Los Angeles where I don't freeze and lose too much range. This car is wonderful, and enjoyable to drive. i did test the Model Y, Ioniq 5, EV6, and id.4. The id.4 was my second choice, but I'm still very much happy with the Mach-e.
I think they are one of the best looking EVs.
"I also live in Los Angeles"
Why am I not surprised? lol
They also look like an SUV lol that a soy eater would drive@@TheBandit7613
@@Wilhelm4131 I have videos of the vehicles I drive. A vintage Jeep, 73' Mach One, 2022 F350 4x4 diesel.
What are you driving?
@@nodak81 why be a douche' bag?
The first 7 minutes of this were incredibly well done explaining everything and showing it
The video is well done, except for a few points.
In particular, at 1:53, where he says that EV sales are falling "across the board," and then puts up a graphic showing the top ten selling models. Seven of these are up - mostly WAY UP. One model is holding about the same level. And, out of the ten models listed, two are down.
In fact, for the first ten months of the year, EV sales in the US are UP by 35%. That's a pretty strong showing.
And the part where he says there's no reason to buy an EV over an ICE car. Well, yeah, if you either don't have grandkids, or don't care how things turn out for them, then sure. Buy whatever.
How quickly we stop burning fossil fuels will determine how much food your great grandkids will have to eat for dinner. That's the basic situation we're in. That's the context of this discussion about how the car drives, and how - like so many things - it doesn't live up to some of the hype.
But, the car lives up to the most important part of the hype: It doesn't burn gasoline. And it's vastly more efficient than cars that do.
@@davidmenasco5743 When you realize the term “fossil fuel” is a MADE UP term created in the early 1900’s to scare people away from buying cars and using gas. When you do the research and learn (DO NO GOOGLE - do the actual research) you will find that oil is the second most plentiful liquid on earth next to water and in fact has NOTHING to do with fossils at all. Oil replenished itself over and over and over, there is literally an endless supply. THEY want you to think is scares so they can jack up the price and make billionairs… hence the Rockerfellers, Soros, etc. LEARN! Educate yourself.
This remains one of the only, if not THE only car review channel that doesn't sugarcoat their opinions/content to favor the manufacturers that lend them these vehicles. Refreshing as all hell. I've been watching for years
If u think that your not really even paying attention just youtube brown nosing
Not brown nosing, there might be some smaller channels but they don't have the production value of the goose.
Have you ever watched Throttle House??? They frequently shit on cars, including BMW and Ferrari. Camissa is the same. Like others have said, you're simply brown-nosing. Which is odd to do on RUclips.
@@acerimmer8338I would say the only odd thing here is you guys accusing people of brown nosing because they haven't heard of certain other RUclipsrs. This dude is clearly just leaving nice feedback.
@@Gertso Thank you. I don't watch every car review channel in existence. Of the ones I have seen, SG is by far the best. That's literally it. Idk why people on the internet get so offended all the time
I think you nailed it. They didn't go into it trying to build a better car, regardless of being ICE or electric. They only went into it to follow the trend of electrification. That was a major mistake.
he just sounds sad when he talks about this car
It’s not a trend, they try to go from flip phone to smart phone 10 years after the released of the iPhone. They’re struggling. They’re trying not to become Kodak.
@@TheSteinbitt I don't think I explained it properly. I use "trend" in the sense that other autos primarily developed electric solutions because that's what regulators, politicians, and environmentalists have been demanding of auto manufacturers. Legacy autos had the goal of developing a car with an electric drivetrain. Whereas Tesla has the goal of building the best car (you can agree or not) that just so happened to have an electric drivetrain. There's a subtle, but important difference between the two. Put another way, it's like comparing a kid who does their math homework because they're told to vs a kid who does their math homework cause they find think it's fun. The latter kid is most likely to do better in math over time.
@@thesadboxman I agree with that, but I still think legacy auto tries as hard as they can, but they’re just not set up to succeed at it easily because of all the old corporate structure, factories, ICE engineers, unions and lack of software capabilities.
@@vikd4292in all fairness, he sounds sad regardless of what he’s talking about
I know three Mach E owners, they all love them.
Sure bud 😂
Every time I ask mach e owners about their car. They say it's the best cat they have ever had and are super happy with them. From the one I test drove one time I had a good experience with it myself
Love mine. No issues
I love mine. Sorry to disappoint the culture warriors.
Absolutely love my Mach e. The charging infrastructure sucks, but the car is amazing.
I totally agree with you about how the car was created out of panic, but sometimes great things come that way, and in my opinion, they hit the ball out of the park with the Mach E!
Toyota has proven multiple time that the product doesn’t have to reach the market first, it just has to be a good product.
Toyota seems to believe that the future looks better for improved hybrids than for E.Vs.
@@johnstuartsmithmeanwhile they’re going to learn like ford and GM that jumping into EVs at scale is not as easy as it looks. The Chinese will eat their lunch even more than they already are by the time they figure out their EV software and battery supply chains.
@@xiaoka Toyota fan boys are just like IBM fan boys lol
That doesn't explain the BZ where the wheels were literally falling off, Toyota isn't making EVs because it doesn't know how
@@Dr_b_
Yeah, that is embarrassing for T although every company made silly QA f ups.
Obviously "wheels falling off" is a funny one 🤣
Sponsorships be damned, they’re speaking truth. Fantastic content.
Simping for the biden regime?
Truth, except for the part, at 1:53, where he says that EV sales are falling "across the board," and then puts up a graphic showing the top ten selling models. Seven of these are up - mostly WAY UP. One model is holding about the same level. And, out of the ten models listed, two are down.
In fact, for the first ten months of the year, EV sales in the US are UP by 35%. That's a pretty strong showing.
And the part where he says there's no reason to buy an EV over an ICE car. Well, yeah, if you either don't have grandkids, or don't care how things turn out for them, then sure. Buy whatever.
@@davidmenasco5743 Nevermind the children labour mining for your precious batteries, and the subsequent disposal, my 4 banger Toyota with 300k is the real polluter huh. How's your posture being perpetually bent over fire big daddy John Kerry?
@@davidmenasco5743 "don't care how things turn out for them.."
Okay Gretta... At this pace your Jerry Springer president won't let them live to see .
@@march24-lp4pv There's a lot of things a person could pay attention to in this world. It sounds like you've picked the wrong ones.
With the economy uncertain, not buying a car right now makes sense for a few reasons.
Firstly, cars are costly, and in uncertain times, it's crucial to save money and keep your finances stable. Using public transport or rideshares can save you money.
Secondly, technology and car-sharing options offer convenient transport without the expenses of owning a car, like maintenance and insurance.
Moreover, fewer cars mean lower emissions, contributing to a greener planet. Choosing eco-friendly options supports global efforts to fight climate change.
Lastly, waiting lets you assess your finances when things stabilize. You can focus on saving, investing, or other essential needs like education or debts.
Being patient and evaluating your needs can lead to a wise and financially responsible decision about getting a car.
My financial advisor advises buying cars when interest rates and prices are low. However, he also cautions against it right now due to the hidden costs of car ownership, like insurance and maintenance. He helps me plan for these expenses and manages my portfolio to ensure financial stability. It's all about making strategic decisions and having a well-rounded financial plan.
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Samuel Peter Descovich that's whom I work with
I believe everyone could benefit from having a personal financial advisor. They can assist you in reaching your customized financial objectives at any point, ensuring you remain profitable.
You can search for his name online and confirm for yourself. He possesses extensive experience in the financial market over many years.
I recently rented a ~2021 Ford Escape for a road trip. It was a decent hatchback/ small SUV, and I think it looks similar to the Mach-E. If they had called this thing a Ford Escape EV, styled it very similar to the Escape, and priced it similar, I think people would have given them a lot more grace about the downsides of their first generation EV. Nissan, for instance, knew well enough to name their EV the Leaf rather than try to call it a GTR or a Silvia. Also kudos for mentioning the WeberAuto channel, he has shared some excellent in-depth tech info.
True it should have 100% been The Mach-E or Thuderbird or as you said escape... Being a mustang is a strench even with the lossest defnations of muscle car... But Not having seen one in months with cybertruck out and people looking back on the mach e... It's looks honestly aged awesomely... Like in the current BEV CUV envoment it looks like a big CUV mustang and stands out to me a 2020 Mustang owner but yeah I don't think looks was a majory reason for people to hate it being a mustang to be honest.
I'm not sure an Escape can go 0-60 in 3.2 seconds. Just like Mustangs have trims that go from v-6 to MACH1, the same holds true with this car. I have one and I'm 6'5". Having driven an Escape, this car has more leg room and shoulder room than an escape. It's closer in size to the Ford Edge, a mid sized SUV, not a compact SUV like the Escape.
This is in no way close to an Escape. The Bronco Sport is closer to an Escape than this Mach-E. 🙄
Great video explaining corporate micromanagement and idiocy. This even goes beyond the car industry. Amazing to see this channel open to talk about it.
The government is also forcing this to happen.
FAR beyond the auto industry indeed
From the day the Mach E was announced I knew this was going to happen. Hell, I knew it was coming when they decided to drop small cars from the US lineup. Cutting corners and being reactive is SOP at Ford. The Explorer was their bread and butter, core to their vision, and what did they do? Rush it to market with a load of major issues.
The real surprise is that consumers keep falling for marketing BS. Of course, it doesn't help that many in the automotive press are complicit in pushing the hype.
@@maweitao Couldn’t agree more.
Still waiting for this channel to mention thermal runaway problem.
We are a frugal 2 senior citizen couple. We have a 2022 Nissan Leaf as our around town car and a 2023 Subaru Outback for road trips. At under $60 K total for both, we feel we have the best of both worlds with our hybrid fleet.
Congratulations for figuring out the secret! Former Leaf owner, now Hyundai Ioniq 5 and 2018 Hyundai Ioniq Plug-in hybrid! Thanks.
You guys nailed every aspect of why this vehicle is having trouble in the market. Great insights that no other channel is talking about.
Professor John Kelly has been a favorite of mine for a long time glad to see you guys enjoy his videos as much as I do. The best part of this car to me is the drive line of it. That drive unit is quite interesting what they did in it. For an otherwise unexciting car.
I had a Mach E Premium AWD with the standard battery. I was in an accident three weeks ago - I walked away unharmed though the car was totaled. Every air bag deployed. It was the best car I've ever owned, full stop. And yes, I will think about this car fondly. I absolutely loved it.
Thanks for this story, I think this car has gotten too political. The name made people mad I guess. I see one on Ebay for 18K seems like a steal to me! I literally have a Tesla Supercharger station next door, people should move to the big city.
I love my 2022 Mach E and also a Model 3 and love both. Haven’t owned a gas car the last 3 years and have taken several 700-1,000 mile road trips without incident.
@@darrinv6798 do you have a preference? If so can you explain which one? 🙏
@@mauriciomendez1912 I hate sound like a Parrot but the Ford is built much better while the Tesla has a better charging Network. My Model 3 came from the factory with the right rear door severely out of alignment as well as an unaligned steering wheel (off 2-3 degrees to the right). The Tesla is also much louder on the highway which is something I’ve heard was resolved with the Highlander update. On long trips, I have a more consistent 100-170 kWh charging experience in the Tesla. The Ford has never failed me on trips but in the more rural areas of Ohio the highest speed L3 Chargers are 62.5 kWh ChargePoint ones. Ironically, while slow, the ChargePoints give me 90-100 pct of their advertised speed while the EAs and EVGos vary wildly often giving only 25-50% of their rated speed. I have seen 60-80 kWh on some older Tesla V2 SuperChargers but much more rare.
@@mauriciomendez1912
My take…The Mustang for looks the Tesla because it’s just better in every other way.
When they announced the "Mustang" Mach-E, many of us were critical of the naming and marketing for this exact reason. If they had cut some performance, priced it reasonably, and called it the E-Blazer it probably would be faring much better.
Even renaming it to Ford Thunderbird would look better. Plus, it would compliment the Ford Lightning.
@@patx35 That's what I always said!!! Use the Thunderbird name. It literally has Thunder in it!
@@802Garage
No, the Thunderbird name should not be used on an SUV be and ICE or EV one. The best name for the car honestly should have been the Ford Model E, which Ford had already trademarked, I suspect to keep it away from Tesla. But I am sure Ford probably was concerned about that name being confused with a Tesla even though Ford was the originator of using the word Model as...err...a model name. Model E would have harkened back to the Model T which was Fords first truly mass produced ICE car.
@@adamn7516 Oh I wouldn't have liked it if they used the Thunderbird name either, but it would have made way more sense than the Mustang name! Even calling it the Thunder would be acceptable, that way there is thunder and lightning. Model E also would have been a clever name, or simply the Mach E. Bringing Mustang into it was just plain silly.
i still never understand what the name of a car has to do with buying a car.. maybe i am just weird.
I've had my Mach E GT-P for a year and a half and have driven 36k miles already. I did have to have recall work on it for the infamous high voltage battery junction box (HVBJB) needing to be replaced (very poor design), but besides that, it's been smooth driving. I do not get any feeling that this vehicle was rushed at all. The interior is the most comfortable of any vehicle I have ever owned, the ride quality is very smooth on my 200 mile commute which I do once a week (which is why I purchased it), and I am saving a good amount on those commutes as it only costs me $50 to charge up on each round trip, whereas, it would cost me $80 to fill up. The 3.6 sec 0-60 is more useful to me for accelerating onto a freeway than top speed specs. I admit, my commuting situation is unique, and I purchased it back when the loan rate was just 1%, so I may not represent the vast majority, but I am very pleased with my purchase. I plan on driving it until the battery completely dies.
I appreciate that my dude wore a Gulf-branded track shirt in this video. Pro-level, ambient trollage.
Yeah, it speaks volumes.
I own a mustang Mach E 2022 long range battery. It is by far the best car I have ever owned.
I know some guys who just upset some Ford EV reps.
Keep up the good work.
If it was a gasoline suv with 490 hp looking this good you would probably be more positive? Its hard to Watch this channel with all the negative bias towards electric cars.
@@stoff3rYeah because it wouldn’t weigh 5000lbs so it would actually be fast, Still couldn’t call that mustang though even if it was gas
@@stoff3rthey aren't negative, they're realistic. You're just used to media simping for whatever manufacturers put out.
@@stoff3r honesty/reality is often a hard pill to swallow.
@@stoff3r agreed, as much as I like the Savagegeese team over the six years I've been watching, their stance on EVs is overly pessimistic relative to the realities. Glass half empty, always rounding down. The reality is the grid is adapting and strengthening in sufficient time for the slow switchover from ICE to EV, the tech is getting better and better, EVs have far less mechanical components and failure points than ICE, far cheaper running costs (drastically lower in some parts of the country), US EV market share among new vehicles is above 8% and of course continuing to rise, and that price concerns are steadily being addressed as the tech improves and the factories ramp up (such as the $2-4k price drop on the 2024 Ioniq6 compared to 2023, and the wild Tesla price drops of the last year). The Mach E does not drive poorly, but yes, it would've been a better package if they had spent another year on design before getting it out... like Hyundai/Kia did with their superior products. The Mach E is no less reliable than any ICE SUV with Legendary Ford Reliability they're putting out; would one rather have an Escape? I'm expecting the next gen (third gen?) of EVs to be remarkably good, which isn't hard when the default is a 2.0L turbo crossover with a CVT or billion speed automatic begging for huge repair bills as the odometer hits six digits.
Professor Kelly is a top notch teacher. I'm glad to see the mention.
When the Mach e first came out and when I was in the market for a new car. I definitely looked at it along with the Tesla. I ended going with a Tesla because I knew it had at least 4 - 5 years of manufacturing experience with the model 3 and 10 years with building EVs. The rebates also helped the decision, but end of the day.. I saw a lot of early adopter issues with the Mach e, it was heavily marketed and also 10k more than a model 3.
Now having my model 3 for two years, I’m more than happy with my purchase decision. The EV met my needs for my 2nd car, a city / commuting vehicle going under less than
Not only is the car good, but you have access to the biggest and best charging network if you need it
A lot of buyers do not consider that an EV is more than an electric motor and a battery, this video is a good example. Most don’t consider that all manufacturers in the US outsource their components and parts and then assemble the finished product. Along with the outsourced components, comes different software, you might have 150 different components with all different software, THERE IS NO WAY TO FULLY INTEGRATE THESE COMPONENTS ! This is why you buy a Tesla; it is a fully integrated EV with a proprietary system. When you buy a Tesla , you have bought the equivalent of a smart phone, when you buy any other manufacturer, you have bought the equivalent of a flip phone.
@@shepherdsknoll BRILLIANT analogy that I couldn't have said better myself!
You can’t keep an EV for a long time. It’s not like old family vehicles where you say “she still runs like day one!”, ie.. ur not gonna be able to pass it down. Or even sell it to anyone
@@Squidward_Tikiland , all Teslas are built for 1 million miles , the batteries 300,000-500,000. I’ve owned a Model 3 for 6 years , it has 105,000 miles and 95% of its battery life left, it looks and runs like new and has had no maintenance except tires.
The points made on this video are so profound and yet so down to earth and you guys managed to bring it in a very decent and subtle way. A masterpiece for an over-average viewer, and a bullion-holder individual.
Now imagine him on his knees, providing brain 🧠 to your daughter. 😮😮
Does your opinion change after the hypothetical illustration?
You couldn't have said it any better...This video was a masterpiece
@@JK4507 thx
They are totally missing the point in this video. If I were buying a car today it would have been Mach-E. You can't compare driving dynamics of an ICE vehicle with an EV. It's a totally different world. My daughter is BMW fan, she wanted one from when she was 14. She has now driven three BMW models, and she loves them, but she agreed driving Mach-E is a much more satisfying experience.
The car looks great, it drives great. And it's foolish to say that it's overpriced. My wife's SUV cost almost the same, but Mach-E is better in every respect, except size. Add to that that it costs 1/5 per mile of a similar sized ICE vehicle, you don't need those frequent oil changes and service, you don't need to go to a gas station. So even from a pure cost perspective Mach-E will save you $20,000 during its lifetime compared to a similar priced SUV.
To me, this video smacks of *hit piece.*
The funniest part is, if you scroll through the comments, there are dozens and dozens of Mach-e owners commenting. All of them, every single one, has drawn the opposite conclusion of these reviewers. They all love the car.
If you want to know what's wrong with the Mach-e, check out Munro Live. They dished the dirt under the hood, in great detail (and yeah, it boils down to the same thing: they could increase efficiency a lot by going with a clean slate design)
But none of that means it's a not a great car to drive. And none of that means there's no reason to buy it over an ICE car. On these two points, the Goose clearly got it wrong.
When your key points are subjective, the opinions of actual owners matter. And the owners love the car.
As someone who drives also an EV (one of the last 'old' Hyundai Ioniq with 38 kWh battery) and we got that car for a clear purpose it serves very well (drive up to 100km daily, charge at home) and the price made sense. I frankly do not understand the point of most of the EVs on the market today. Huge, heavy AF, with often ridiculous consumption that turns even a 80+ kWh battery packs into mediocre range - and all that is stuffed into an old architecture. I would like to replace our 'big' car with an EV eventually, but there is basically nothing on the market that would fit and not cost €100k. I guess I have to wait.
All they know is ridiculously big. I've been driving a Fiat 500e for 7 years now. Fun to drive, excellent driving feedback, no battery degradation, no mechanical problems ever, can't say enough good things about it. I test drove the Mustang last week, hated it. Just another boat.
Traditional OEM’s were in a rush. They took an ICE vehicle, slapped on a battery and a power drive system and sold a first generation BEV.
Demand is not slowing for BEV’s. Demand is slowing for 1st generation BEV’s from the traditional car manufacturers.
Great video!
EV shouldn’t be a premium option, and with the government funds should be the budget options, people want to pay less for reliable transportation. They need to go back to selling the reliability and simplicity at a reasonable cost
The costs of the battery and associated bits is so high that unless we start mining a heck of a lot more for minerals, prices can't come down.
@@howebrad4601 Lithium prices have crashed. It is one of the most common elements on the Earth - it is just accessing it economically.
I am afraid the Industry does not want to do cheap anymore. They are all taking aim at the high end high profit market. If it is not a Great big Truck or an executive express, it won't be made - and that is all engine types, not just EVs.
Agreed. Part of the reason why automakers are trying to make EVs full of fancy features is because they need to distinguish it from ICE counterparts. As for simple and reliable, if GM gave the Chevy Bolt faster high speed charging speeds, it'd be just about the perfect "budget" EV. Cheaper than others, very efficient and simple
Battery technology is too expensive for cheap vehicles is the problem.
Good explanation about the possible problems. I own a 2021 Mach e. My vehicle received an on the air update so I did not have to take it in for this issue. I have 59,000 miles on my MachE, and so far I’ve had no problems. I mostly charge at home, however I’ve taken numerous road trips including one from Los Angeles to Vancouver Canada and I do think this is an amazing vehicle. I do own a model 3 as well, however I prefer driving the Mach E.
You guys are experts in the automotive field, but I thought I should share an owners opinion.
Jack lookin' sharp in that McLaren hoodie 😍 Seriously though, I always find it illuminating when you guys go into depth on battery chemistry and cooling. Great video!
Interesting point of view.
I drive the Mach-E for two years now here in Belgium, and is a great car.
Compared to a gasoline car, it is way better: quicker, faster acceleration, due to weight a more stable feeling, and no need to fill it up.
It never let us down, icy roads, -15°C temperature, snow, no issues with this car.
We did quite some road trips with it, and the time we spend due to charging was not significantly more than with gasoline car.
Now you see them more on the roads here, but certainly, in the beginning this car was a head turner. And that you want also with your car!
Ill put money that my ICE GT is faster than your piece of junk.My GT winds off over 260kph.Your crap couldn't keep up,plus the battery would flatten in a heartbeat.BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Keep kidding yourself,muppet.
Just a quick question-from start to finish I’m in and out of the gas station in about five minutes filling up my petrol car to get roughly a 400 mile range - how many minutes do you have to spend charging your EV car to be able go 400 miles?
Hello,
I just checked my charging logbook, the last time I used a fast charger from +/- 20 % to 80 %, it took a half hour, it was freezing at that time, so the loading performance was not ideal. I only use fast chargers for road trips.
I charge normally at home during night. The same amount takes 6 hours at home.
We own a Tesla Model Y long range and have driven it from IN to AZ to Main to FL and back to IN without any issues. Our Model Y is the best car we have ever owned and will buy another one
I own a Mach-E and if I was to sell it right now, I would definitely miss it. It is a great car, handles nicely, and almost no maintenance outside of tire rotation and fluid top ups for me.
😆
How about possibly not able to get insurance? A menace when it catches on fire.
I was given an early production model Mach-E to do long term test driving in freezing and rain conditions. I was pleasantly surprised with its range, performance, comfort and driving quality.
The only negative I could find with the car was the price and wish I could have driven the GT performance model.
@@oldarkie3880You are swallowing whole the propaganda put out by the fossil fuel industry and its cheerleaders. Gasoline cars catch fire far more frequently and readily than do electric ones (gasoline is supposed to burn, after all), and insurance isn't a problem, especially since there are far fewer moving parts to be replaced during repairs. Also, EVs have no catalytic converters to be stolen, reducing insurance costs further.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I honestly was only expecting to own this car for 2-3 years, but now that I've had it that long, I don't know if I'll be able to give it up.
To preface this comment, I'm 32 and I've lived in California all of my life. This isn't a shit post, this is just the passion of one guy with a weird taste in funky cars. I was incredibly excited for the Mach-E when it was announced. The last time I was this hyped for a vehicle release it was the first gen Scion XB, the toaster. I see a number of Mach-Es on my way to and from work and they always stand out to me as looking special. I have a collection of various diecast models of it and even a RC car of the Mach-E 1400. This car was my goal, I'd save up, turn in my Sonata, and get my Mach E.
And it's painful seeing the reality of these cars when the pretty sheen is pulled away, but it's also why I love this channel and appreciate the brutal honesty. It keeps impulsive and easily impressed people like me from taking truly terrible decisions.
I recommend reading the many comments from Mach-e owners. It seems maybe these reviewers were a bit impulsive.
We love ours. Had it for about six month now. It's been great. We also have a BMW plug in hybrid X5 which we use for longer trips etc. These electric cars are great, but only if you have a level 2 home charger and you rarely if ever charge in public. I think if you fit that criteria, you probably already have an electric car. That's why the market is drying up for fully electric cars.
I remember a great quote from the CEO of Ford, in the original "who Killed the Electric Car. His quote was," You cannot sell a limited use product at a full use price ". Still true.
Your channel deserves an Oscar for quality of content . My favorite take on automobiles, really resonate with your thought process. So happy with my MDX type S I bought because of your review!❤
LOL. Their content is a total BS 😅
For any of us that have worked for large corporations and dealt with the idiocy, this is what happens when you try to tell the customer what they want instead of listening to the customer. In fairness to Ford, GM, and other companies, I also think most "car people" understand they're under a lot of pressure to transition to EV's from the investment community and government.
Agreed. Contrast it to Tesla who does zero advertising and sold strictly by word of mouth. The owners loved them and the word spread. Letting people buy what they desire is always the best method.
@@aussie2uGA That's why I think the whole meme about Tesla's build quality is irrelevant. Tesla owners are super loyal, Tesla is technologically ahead of all competitors. Them opening up their charging infrastructure could be a loss, but, it all depends on how other OEMs configure their software to talk with the chargers
@@michaelkovalsky4907 I dont know if that makes it "irrelevant" it just means that people like to feel an air of superiority about driving something they see as "the future" no matter what issues it has. Personally, I don't care if its the future if it has early '00's GM build quality and panel gaps. To me the fact I have to look and interact with a screen instead of using muscle memory to know I need to hit the 2nd button on the right for my AC to turn while driving makes it a heavily flawed vehicle.
Nonsense. Customers lack the vision. If all you did was listen to customers innovations would stagnate.
The issues with any corporation, large or small, is always a lack of proper internal process. They are not respected, sometimes not known, sometimes totally ignored, and they end up affecting the end product.
Lack of proper management and leadership is also an enemy of modern enterprises. POs constantly pushing for more and more features and requirements and constantly ignoring QA and needed refinements. Never fully committing to an end goal, constantly changing their minds during the dev process, constantly sucking up to the higher ups and making promises that compromise the end product.
@@an-dr6euyou must not play video games, lol. Gamers can create better products than multi-billion dollar companies.
I agree partially with your critique of the Mack E. I think the thing that it gives you that gas don’t has been left out. You see, I’m not a climate guy but am an EV guy. The car doesn’t have any emissions on the uses end. For me, it smoother, quieter, and less maintenance. I been driving them since 2011 and Hybrids since 2007. There are many things that I can think of that it offer that gas don’t.
The single reason I haven’t purchased a Mach E is the price. I have sat in them. I have been asked if I wanted to drive one. I told them well there wasn’t any need, because I won’t pay that much for any car. I don’t need a race car. If they were $35,000, I’d have one today.
I have one and I love it, price tag was $68,000.00 and I got it for $45.0000, so far no problems at all and i spend $16,00 a week on electricity vs $75.00 on the last car, also have a lighting after having trucks for 24 years I wont think it twice to buy another lighting, the biggest issue I see on electric cars is the charging, if you don't have a good charger at home it becomes and stressful experience.
Mach E owner here, couple comments.
Very honest video. The HVJB issue explanation is one of the cleanest I’ve seen on the internet. Full credit to you for that and thanks for talking about it for those who don’t understand it yet, outside of the forums it’s hard to find good information on it.
I absolutely agree the pricing isn’t competitive yet, and as an owner, looking at the resale value is frustrating.
I do think you guys have ignored some of the innate advantages EVs have over ICE vehicles while discussing the car however. People debate whether this is a good or bad thing about EVs, but they are much more “appliance like” than an ICE vehicle. I do not maintain this car; no oil changes (or fluids at all really), rare break changes due to the regen breaking, no belts to worry about, and thousands of fewer parts to potentially fail long term than with an ICE. Turn the stupid acceleration noises off and it’s much quieter than an ICE as well. Sure, the screen looks like a tablet slapped on the dash, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t enjoy my Apple CarPlay at 2x+ the size in my wife’s car.
I don’t think range anxiety is a real thing for 95%+ of the actual driving occuring in America. Even charging only to 90% to maintain the longevity of my battery, I have 260 miles of range every day when I wake up. How much of America actually needs more than that in any given day? Sure, CCS networks are garbage, but Ford is wisely moving to NACS, which is a big step towards fixing that.
The “new ground” being broken here is the platform transition itself. I really think that’s being undervalued by your analysis. I think it’s kind of unrealistic to expect more than that from these manufacturer first attempts, they have to start somewhere. We’ve never seen a platform transition of this magnitude in our lives before - for the last century, it’s just been a refinement of ICE. Don’t undervalue the effort and significance of getting even just a passing grade with these first efforts.
Am I looking forward to what the future holds for EVs, both in technology improvements and price drops? Absolutely. We will see some massive leaps in the coming decade. Would I still buy this car again over an ICE alternative? Also absolutely.
First video I’ve watched from you guys, will definitely be watching more. Cheers
Cold weather states, apartment/condo dwellers and the hassle of having to plan ahead charging for long distance trips are the biggest hurdles for EV to overtake ICE and hybrid.
also really hot states as well
@@fortheloveofnoise9298 Most hot states have an average temperature that allows EVs to have optimal performance.
I do own this car GT performance and I do love it, can't get my wife out of it she loved her Subaru until I bought this car. We rarely fast charge so maybe this is good. This is a fast smooth handling dream to drive. The biggest reason people are not buying is interest rates. When GM gets the new pick up out I will likely get one. My daily driver is a 3500 Ram
Incredibly, and refreshingly, brutally frank (especially the closing comments) that matches with my feelings about this particular make and model. Thanks for doing this!
I've always had a strong preference for Ford and Mustang, so on the day Ford opened orders for the Mach-E, I sat by my computer waiting for the countdown on the screen to finish. The moment it was available, I submitted my order, hoping to get my hands on the Mustang Mach-E as soon as possible. Unfortunately, just after driving over a thousand miles, the HVAC needed to be completely replaced, followed by a damaged battery. Coupled with the indifferent attitude of an unscrupulous STEALERship, my Mach-E spent thirteen weeks with the dealership for repairs. Ford took the initiative to offer a repurchase at the original price, ending my twenty-month nightmare. As you said in your video, I don't miss it one bit, and I will never again purchase any Ford or Lincoln vehicle.
so, truth in advertising, they should have called it the Mach-Edsel
Wow that sounds like a terrible experience, at least you got your money back
@@youngroosevelt38 Yes, but not without pain. Ford's Repurchase Team gave me a 48-hour ultimatum to sell back the problematic car. Wrestling with them, I realized deeply - to me, it was a $53,125 lemon, but to them, I was just a Case ID. They didn't care at all about the customer experience or suffering, they just wanted to close each case as quickly as possible.
Take it from dealership tech that's been in the business for 20 plus years. Never buy the first model year of any vehicle. Ice or electric.
There is a gentleman by the name of Monroe who completely disassembles new vehicles and analyzes their construction. I recall him comparing the "engine" compartments of a Mach-E and a Tesla Model 3. The Ford product looked like a crazy mass of wiring and tubing everywhere that simply didn't make sense to him, while the Tesla seemed well-thought-out, with the components arranged in a more sensible way. I am not particularly a Tesla fan, but that comparison, side-by-side, was eye-opening, and not confidence-inspiring for the Ford (or the Ford Motor Company, itself).
Yup Sandy Monroe. His entire company is based around tearing down machinery and evaluating them for different OEM/Governments. The dude has defense/space contracts if I’m not mistaken. If Sandy says EV’s are viable you better believe him.
When your arguing for or against electrification, the savings in maintenance, repairs, and efficiencies are real. Also the convenience of plugging in at home base every night especially if you’re a fleet customer. I don’t know if the maintenance and repairs issue applies to ford. Probably not. But it does apply to tesla and probably BSD and hyundai
Always enjoy this channel. We have a Mach-E in addition to a 718 GTS 4liter, classic muscles cars, and other fun ICE vehicles. The Mach-E like all electric cars are appliances. There is no emotion to these vehicles. We like our Mach-E for the daily life grind of commuting, running kids around, fighting the people texting and driving on the interstate. Noisy kids eating snacks, traffic, running late to a soccer practice...Mach-E appliance is great. Weekend morning breakfast run in a 718....some of lifes best times.
Lots of great points. I've had a GT for a year, and while I do love the car, I've had that contactor failure happen to me twice in the first 20k miles. I'm hoping they figure their shit out through this recall, or Ford will be buying it back.
Can you please tell me what drove you to the Mach E over a Tesla or other EV?
@@DanielDaniel1 I had a model 3 performance before my Mach E. It was fine, but felt too sterile in how it handled and drove. Fast as hell, no doubt. The Mach E has a more playful chassis. It squats, dives, and rolls, like the Mustang that Ford named it after. Overall, more personality. Also, I'm tall and need to fit 2 kids seats in the back seat. With the model 3, I had to move my seat forward enough to accommodate that it was a bit uncomfortable. No need to adjust my seat to fit the kids in the Mach E.
@@DanielDaniel1panel gaps. Looks are by opinion. Maybe the same reason we didn’t all buy Priuses several years back. The abundance of them and the owners thinking they’re better than all others. I think in Europe they’re called w@nkers
@@mminnillo1 its not a Mustang is it?
@@user-ny6bv1ew4c depends. Technically, because Ford named it as such, yes. But, a lot of people would agree that it doesn't follow the traditional formula of what a Mustang really is. Personally, I don't use that name. I just call it a Mach E.
As a senior citizen (67 years old) I don't see myself driving an electric car. I thought about a Mini electric, but with a range of only 110 miles just traveling around Ohio would be difficult for a lack of charging stations. But as your video points out, first generation electric cars are not better than ICE vehicles. Keep up with the honest reviews.
You’re missing some clear benefits you may not have considered: As close to zero maintenance that there is. When you approach it, it unlocks the doors for you. When you get in, it’s already “on”. When you get out, just walk away - it turns off, rolls up the windows for you and locks the doors. Extremely quick for on ramps, merging, passing. Everyday you get into it, it has a full tank again as it charged overnight. Very few wearable parts in the drivetrain greatly increases longevity. There are many factors older people are unaware of that just make day to day driving easier and more enjoyable in something like a Tesla.
But as I stated the charging stations are few and far between in Ohio. I understand the benefits of owning one. My car has the same features as the electric car ( unlocks when I approach it) by the way I bought a 2023 GTI and it is the last car I will own. If you do some research on electric cars, they are not going to save the planet and are really just as bad for the environment as ICE cars. I don't believe that we humans are hurting the planet and climate change has been happening since the Earth first came into existence.
@@aussie2uGA I understand some of those items but there are ICE cars that do most of the fancy wizz bang stuff already. Heck my 2006 Infiniti unlocked when I walked up to it as does my Lincoln though I have to grab the door handle first. It would be nice to charge every night.....if I had a garage. I doubt most would like me running an extension cord across the sidewalk. Now I completely agree as I hit 70 yeah not having to do all the maintenance would be great. Just like anything there are those they work great for and those they don't. I think what turns most off is really the poor state of non-tesla charging, and the feeling we are going to be pushed into them come hell or high water when in many cases they are inferior to ICE vehicles in some ways while better in others. Interest rates though are an obvious factor in all vehicles at the moment and since many non tesla EVs tend to be over 50K that is a huge turn off.
I hear ya, just wanted to share my perspective after coming from 20+ years of buying german performance cars. The Tesla does represent a "lithium golf cart experience" in that you need do nothing to it but hop in the seat and press the pedal. Maintenance is keeping tires with tread on it. It's been a game changer. Here's to hoping you can get even a 110V outlet near where you might park one :)@@davehilling3944
We have owned a Mach E for over a year now and it is the absolute best car ever! My wife and I would never go back to ice vehicles again
It is intresting to see people investing large amounts of money into these 1st gen cars that aren't fully proven yet. When i wanted a EV i was worried about that. Whats the longevity on these normal companies EV's? I know tesla has been doing it for a long time now, so i just went with them. Mainly for the reliable aspect but also for the charging network as well.
The charging infrastructure should’ve been developed first, as a joint venture from car manufactures that wanted to enter this business segment.
Car manufacturers didn't build the roads why would you think they'd pay to build charging infrastructure
@@Taykorjg Because no one else is doing it. This isn't like a gas station, they are only used for 5% of miles driven and can't support themselves with Twinky and Cola sales.
Tesla offered a joint venture early on? OEM didn't want to enter this business segment! it's a losing proposition for them
That would certainly be one way to ensure that electric cars never take off ever.
Even if there was more charging infrastructure, who the hell wants to sit for an hour to charge their car
Having worked in engineering, the contactor issue is highly concerning. Not only because Ford changed up parts without considering the consequences, but it tells me there was no final product validation testing for the longer range version, where they would've found the problem and could've fixed it before it went to market. Whoever signed off on that just lost Ford a lot of money in recalls and reputation.
I got my GT in 2021. Only paid MSRP, even though dealer tried to tack on $5k at the last minute. Only have had a few glitches and no dreaded hvbj failures. I love it as my daily driver; its quick to get up to speed, fun to play around with, has enough featured to justify the cost, and is comfortable to drive on my 30m work commute and the local roads. I just paid it off since I plan on driving it into the ground. I can't really imagine a better car for me.
I bet it does well in mexico. But here in usa it is import trash.
@@ronaldarchibald2506 the idea of imports mattered back when most of the components came from the USA... but most don't so who really cares about where the Chinese parts are put together?
Please update us in 3 years
Loving my Mustang Mach-E GT after more than a year. No HVBJB problems yet, fun to drive, roomy and practical, and very nice-looking inside and outside.
Who are you kidding, they're ugly as. Soon you won't be able to give it away.
GAYYYYYYYY
Jack - "Whenever I'm in this car, it's clearly slippery conditions." 😂
As an owner, and a very happy one at that, of a Mach E, let me share some of my thought process for the purchase.
First of all, I wanted an EV. The instant torque, the NOT going to the gas station, the quietness of the ride (more on that later) and -honestly - the simplicity of the EV drive train just attracts me to the EV concept.
Secondly, why the Mach E? A few reasons. Initially what attracted me to it was how it looked. To me at least, it looks a damn sight prettier than a Model 3 or Model Y. I also did not like the minimalist interior of Model 3/Y. The next positive was that frankly I did not like the closed network of parts etc. that Tesla has as I disagree with that philosophically (shout out to Rich Rebuilds). Next is that I still believe it is built better than the 3/Y. The cabin is a lot quieter than 3/Y with less road noise and rumble. It also looks better put together, no squeaks and rattles and the panel gaps are all just better.
Yes, it does not have a great charging network and yes this is Ford’s first attempt at figuring this EV business out but as a first attempt I really like it. My use case for this car is an in town running about car that comes home in the evening. After owning it for 1 year, I have yet to charge it outside as it exclusively gets charged at home. I could not care one bit if they had called it something else rather than a ‘Mustang’. I think that’s just a dumb marketing dept group think, but as a car I look forward to driving it every day. Would I go back to a premium ICE car after this one? Absolutely not.
Thanks for writing this. I don't have an EV but will buy one. I get that it doesn't work for everyone, but it does for some and the quietness, instant torque, lack of maintenance and convenience of home charging are enough for me to pay a premium. I don't recall ever driving more than 200 miles in a day anyways.
Nice writeup and congrats on the purchase! None of the EVs have really done it for me yet, but I’ll be purchasing one on my vehicle reimbursement program at work when I’m due for a replacement in 2025.
I had a shocked look on my face when you said, "quiet ride." I then saw that you compared it to a Tesla, so I give you a pass. My wife owns a 2022 BMW X5, and she has been interested in an EV. She likes the look of the Mach E versus what we see everyone driving, the Tesla. Long story short, after a weekend test drive allowed by a dealership, we found the Mach E to be low in quality with the interior, and noise level to be abysmal. The only thing she liked, as most people point out, was the instant torque. In the end, we have decided to just go with a German EV, if she really wants to move to an EV, as Ford dealerships are pricing these vehicles as luxury cars, when they can't come close to luxury brands in regards to fit & finish. The cars are definitely overpriced for what you get.
This is exactly how I feel about my EV motorcycle. My next car is also going to be an EV. In my experience, almost everyone who has owned an EV loved it and would not go back to gas. As much as I hate to lump Savage Geese in with them, I think most of this anti-EV content is just clickbait. I really don't think people are mad that a better version of their car comes out years later.
So you admit it's a totally useless vehicle for most people because you can't drive it out of town?
Excellent video. These guys fit a ton of information in a short amount of time.
It's basically a hit piece.
Look at all the comments from people who actually own a Mach-e. What do they all have in common?
Let's see, the two main points of the video are both subjective: The car isn't great, and there's no reason to buy it over an ICE car.
On both points, the actual owners have found the opposite to be true. Every single one of them. And not just in the comments to this video. They say it all over the place.
When lived experience consistently contradicts the reviewers opinion, what does that mean? It means the reviewer got it wrong.
I was surprised how many points you hit, that I agreed with. Great work.
I drove a GT. It was surprisingly good and fun to drive!
But not to own
They're both heavy Tesla stock holders and this video was clearly shot while the stock was in a slump earlier this week lol
Man, the tone on ev cars has shifted dramatically in the last few months.
One down quarter, and apparently it's the end of EVs
Ignore the media narrative and look at the facts. EV sales this year are up 50% over last year.
It's been like the last two weeks. These guys were just reviewing the Mustang and waxing philosophically on the inevitability of a BEV only future. I'm getting whiplash from the sudden change in rhetoric.
Only in non Teslas.
I was looking for your Land Rover Defender review and stumbled on this one. We have a Mach-e cyber orange supreme and absolutely love this car. The ratings for satisfaction are very high and I do have to say both my wife and I have never had a car , and we've had a lot of cars and trucks, that we've had as much fun with as this one. It's fast, love the one pedal driving, corners great, ride is well controlled, and it never disappoints whenever we take it anywhere. Love this car. PS. We went to the dealer to buy a Bronco Sport and my wife saw this car on the lot. The Bronco Sport was awful, this was a blast!. Got a great deal with the electric discount and Ford discounts, special financing, and it was cheaper than the Bronco. No brainer.
Brutally honest review, but exactly what I needed to hear before making a purchasing decision. Thank you.
It's fine to go into details about it like the beginning of the video but the rest was just negativity to get ratings on RUclips.
I agree with you that branding this car as a Mustang was a mistake. It devalues the Mustang brand.
No it doesn't, otherwise just cancel "Mustang". In 30 years everything will be BEV, so are you saying there shouldn't be any carryover names from the ICE era?
The Mustang II just called from 1973 and would like to have a word.
Not the first time Ford has butchered the Mustang brand. But what idiots buys a car because of a brand?
@@davidmccarthy6061the problem with the Mach E isn't being electric, it's being a god damn crossover.
@@Sashazur Or the fact that the Probe was a Mustang in concept.
I was considering this thing after watching Doug gush over it… but he only looks at the superficial, not the practical long term effects that most consumers deal with. I enjoy your “deeper dives” into these products looking at them from many angles.
Doug, lol.
It's about first impressions and emotion with Doug. It turns out that a lot of people spend a lot more time planning out a purchase like this than he gives them credit for.
@@bassandtrebleclef “thissssss”
You guys are such a fantastic resource. I really appreciate all the knowledge shared. It helps sooooo much as a consumer.
I'm conflicted. I am one of the few who totally understood using the Mustang branding (even though I don't really like it) - they had to make a splash to stand out in a market that is otherwise quite indistinguishable (most modern EVs drive very similarly and are similarly rapid). And if they had named it the Escape-E it would have sounded like a rogue prisoner. Now that I think about it, that would have been awesome.
I also don't mind the looks or the features. I've not driven one but at the time of release Ford seemed like the only player bringing some actual competition to Tesla, and I applauded them for it.
Electric vehicles, if used right, should eliminate range anxiety - charge them when at home and never have to stop for a top up on your commute ever again.
But...combine the growing pains of a new model line, ample competition from other manufacturers, the car-buying populace's inability to let go of the Mustang branding, terrible infrastructure, some terrible dealerships (I've dealt with one that I'd want to deal with again, and that's not many), and very high cost of entry and you have a recipe for slow adoption.
I'm happy I didn't buy into the hype, but also sad that this seems to be yet another example of something that could have been a good idea that was mired by the reality of technology and mid-tier execution. Truly this reminds me a lot of VR. Expensive equipment, low adoption, novel approach, and lack-luster long-term stay-ability.
It's not a Mustang though, they're just using the name to sell them! It's another average box on wheels, and very expensive too.
yeah i think pretty much everyone gets why they used the branding, not just a few…
It’s to try and force excitement but it’s a bland blob that was rushed to market. It has no soul of a Mustang, like the 74 Mustang II
Been watching since Dec of '20. One of the best vids you've done, not for the production quality but because of the brutal honesty and candor and explanation of what's wrong with EV
I think the slow down in EV purchases has to do with a few things... namely: charging infrastructure, interest rates being insane, and the quality of EVs coming out from legacy OEMs.. it'll be interesting to see how OEMs adapt to the smarter consumer.
... hours-long lines on non-Tesla charging stations...
When the government rebates for evs changed is when the slower sales happened. No more rebates for high earners.
The biggest thing slowing down EV sales is dealerships. They slap ungodly markups on EVs, and they’re not even good at attracting customers to EVs in the first place.
@@te1ephraq you can thank the government by the way (also known as the electrify america disaster)
@@mal4951That's a funny way to look at it. Volkswagen agreed to do EA as compensation for harm that it caused.
If not for that agreement with the government, there would be no EA stations at all. Would you then say, thank the government for the lack of chargers?
And, the government didn't tell them to suck. They did that all on their own. And, for good measure, EVGo and ChargePoint decided to suck too.
This pathological blaming of "the government" for things the government never did, is a big part of why our society is in the many huge messes it's in right now.
6:34 I'm a little puzzled by your comment about "...building a car not out of passion..." I had always assumed that most cars designed and built by large manufacturers are not built out of passion, with the exception of sporting cars, like the Honda/Acura NSX, The Corvettes and the performance oriented Mustangs. The rest of the cars, including most pickups, SUVs and sedans are built because the manufacturer believed that these are the cars the customers want to buy. I assumed that the engineers designed these cars for the same reason I used to work on the design of Cessna's business jets, because that was the job I was being paid to do. I assume that upper management has always told engineers the cars they want them to design, and really don't care how the engineers feel about it. What am I missing?
Great video. Your best point was in regards to repair. None of the 25+ year veteran mechanics at the dealer have any interest in learning to fix EVs, and the vast majority of the younger guys who get by on brake jobs, alignments, and fluid flushes are not going to be able to do transition to the dangerous, highly specialized work of EV battery repair. That means that dealers will, by and large, want nothing to do with trying to fix them.
Aside from brake jobs , alignments… what is there to regularly repair with an EV? The fixed single gear tranny? The electric motors? The battery which is a one unit and warrantied for 8 yrs and 120k+ miles? Heck … you don’t even need oil changes or worrying about your exhaust rusting out or the tranny gear fluid getting old….
@@tangoESPECIAL you think these over-engineered junk piles arent going to ever have problems LOL. that's drinking the cool-aide. i know of plenty of electronic devices that has gremlins. these things are among the most complex pieces of electronics sold to the consumer.
@@andrewdonohue1853 buy a Tesla then - purpose built EVs and not compliance vehicles hastily developed
@@tangoESPECIAL im not interested in purchasing an EV.
@@andrewdonohue1853 the planet thanks you...as do future generations of children
It will be interesting to see how all of these brands clean up the mess they made of their EV sector. It was completely rushed and it seems like Toyota truly was the only one who had enough thought to take a step back and wait.
The reason I say Toyota is because they have always been cautious when it came to the adaption of EVs. Sure this first generation car isn't great, none of them ever are. It is going to take a lot more than a good EV crossover to make people go electric in large numbers. Toyota is waiting for solid state and is starting to build a platform for those batteries, now that has a chance to be a homerun. This market has already chosen Tesla. Another 300 mile vehicle isn't going to take away enough market share to be worth it, this goes back to my point about the Prius. Go look at how many millions they've sold, let alone hybrids in general.
Every OEM, including Toyota, is too proud to admit they might have been wrong.
The ones who tried to pivot in the last few years thought it would be the easiest thing in the world.
Those like Toyota thought they were smarter with Hydrogen or Solid State batteries and have shown they didn’t know what they were talking about.
OEMs did rush, but the it was the government pressure causing them to do so. It is a mess
Mazda tried too, I think their investment was small vs the rest of the industry though.
Toyota? Really? Their first gen EVs are among the worst, in my opinion.
@@leviathan5207agreed. The absolute worst
Fantastic dive into the actual engineering of the battery tech, as well as the psychology of the producer and consumer in this case. I'm curious as to if they'd recommend these more as used vehicles, less for shoppers for a new Q7 and more for a new Santa Fe.
Thanks for the great content. Very well explained.
I am a Mustang Mach-E owner and appreciate the very realistic review of this car. I bought my vehicle used. There was no way it made sense to buy this vehicle new at there 2023 prices. I think my opinion off the car once I eventually walk away from it will depend on how well this recall service goes and just how upside down in value I end up.
That title couldn’t be more accurate
I'm enjoying my 2022 MachE Select plus Comfort/Tech package. Less than 5K miles in the first year. I actually don't commute with it; I ride my bike to work most days. Weekends are fun driving it around town and the occasional day trip with DC fast charging. I actually haven't used up the credits for DC fast charging on Electrify America that came with it.
Same here. My car is almost three years old, I still have some 50 free kWh left. Even during my long distance trips I was able to charge overnight.
I used mine up the first month driving from Raleigh to Chicago and then Raleigh to Bradenton.
We replaced a 2006 Nissan 350Z with a 2022 MachE 4x Premium. It’s been bulletproof and we love it. Some reviewers loved it. Some didn’t. Different strokes.
Comming up on our 3rd year of ownership of a Select RWD I would agree the higher packages are not a "great deal" but for the high 30s on the lower end I would be hard pressed to find an ICE rig that is a fun to drive and I could fuel for free. The average person can not put an oil refinery on their roof..😊
I don’t think you are fueling for free. Unless it is from your place of employment. Even if you have solar panels at home you paid an upcharge for the privilege.
Good example of financial illiteracy.
Well that's nice if you're allowed to own a home but no one can buy a home anymore unless they already owned one before the rates went up. Home ownership is impossible for new buyers and renters have zero options for home charging.
All those "fuel savings" and more will be spent on a new battery
Ford thought by building an EV and calling it a Mustang ‘people will come’. More like ‘people will run’, away…
Didn’t they do that with the Ford 500 renamed Tarurs. Sales continued to tank
People aren’t as dumb as they think we are
Putting the mustang badge on this EV was a joke, and will always be a joke. Regardless of its performance.
@@cpal1871 ---It was Bill Ford's idea to slap the "Mustang" moniker on it thinking people would buy them just for that. Just calling it the Mach E would have been fine.
@@robertjones7565 exactly.
My oldest niece and her husband live about 45min north of San Fran, and they got in early with a long Range Calif Route 1 a couple years ago. The car is very comfortable, I like driving one foot, and at 80% charge, it sits around 230 miles range. This is more than enough range for most of their needs, especially since they have a giant solar array on their roof, with Level 2 charging. Besides, literally everywhere I drove the thing when I was out there had a charging station, and I never had to use one, anyway. I seriously considered looking into getting one myself, I liked it that much, then I remembered I live in Duluth freaking Minnesota, where -20° happens frequently in the winter, and we have like 2 charging stations in town, and half the time they’re broken. Think I’ll hold off, and stay with my F-250 Powerstroke awhile longer. I did like the car, though.
The huge solar array is a good argument - if you put one on your roof. I am in a similar situation - I always got 2 cars for now, city driving EV, long distance my GT which is an ICE
So if you're part of the literal 0.1%, they work great. Good stuff.
@@anthonybaker9270 well I have both, an EV and an ICE, chose what is good for you personally mate. If an EV does not work for you fine, get an ICE car. I now will have to get a new long distance 1st car.
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 That's great, 99.9% of people don't have that choice.
@@anthonybaker9270 guarantee you I’m not in the 0.1%, or even the top 25%, but I totally agree with the Savagegeese guys, the prices on EV’s have to get more reasonable. I could make an EV work quite well with my driving habits and income level, but where I live is a frozen wasteland for 6 months of the year, and I still have issues with that and EV ownership.
My mach-e had the junction box problem, its a premium awd extended range. Since it’s been fine, i actually like the car. I dont plan on keeping it beyond the extended warranty though. The value is horrible though, i paid almost $60k in Jan 2022, now it’s worth like 25k, that is horrible.
Agree with the tenor of this video, although the Mach E has actually grown on me over the past couple of years, thanks to a neighbor owning one and me seeing it everyday. EVs still don't make sense for a lot of people, but the government is mandating their proliferation - the manufacturers are simply marching to the tune of their drummer. In the mean time, I'll keep driving my 3 row, V8 powered luxury SUV 'til the wheels fall off.
EVs make sense for everyone who cares how much their great grandkids will have to eat for dinner. That's pretty much what's at stake.
How quickly we stop burning fossil fuels will determine how bad the crops failures are 50 or a hundred years from now, and how many millions of people are displaced from the area where they grew up.
So when they say, "there's no reason to buy this car," they're leaving out a big one. And it's not the only good reason.
@@davidmenasco5743 wow, you're chanting the exact same line that's been dragged out in front of you gullible cattle for the last 60 years.
@@echodelta2172 I'm repeating the concern voiced by Edward Teller on behalf of the nation's physicists, when he gave an invited address to the American Petroleum Institute in 1959.
Teller, in case you don't recall, was for several decades the favorite scientist of the political right in the US. He had a column in Reader's Digest and served (unofficially, I believe) as a spokesman for several right wing causes.
What a load of crap. EVs are not saving the planet. Stop with the BS. Better mass transit. Clean alternative fuels like efuel from Porsche. Folks keeping their cars for longer. These are more sensible options. To tell me that such a resource- intensive thing as an EV with a huge carbon footprint in its manufacture, not to mention a lot of components in EVs are made from derivatives of oil. Wake up mate. The grandkids will be fine😂
@@davidmenasco5743 With all the depopulation from declining birthrates, we won't need to worry about having enough food -- it'll be having enough people.
Excuse the long post:
As someone who bought an MME a few months ago ('22 California Route 1 AWD, 8k miles at about 42k), I agree with everything you guys said here. Luckily no serious issues pertaining to the recalls (yet), and the only maintenance I've done so far has just been a cabin air filter replacement and tire rotation. However, the thing that's killing me constantly is range anxiety, even in a car with 300 miles of range(more like 240-280 on a good day after what HVAC and other things sap). The issue is, once I drive that range out, I don't have the luxury of a supercharger near me like Tesla owners do, and I'm made to either drive a town over for an Electrify America station, or charge from my apartment unit at 1kW per hour. Technically, Tesla superchargers are supposed to accomodate other EVs by spring 2024, but I won't hold my breath. Last complaint, if you get one of these and you live in an area that takes longer to repave roads than Valve can utter the number 3, it will ride like a bouncehouse, and the headrests aren't exactly pillows to catch you.
A part that especially resonated with me was when you mentioned the car just doesn't feel special, which is awful for this price point, even at the price I got it for. I feel nothing walking away to or from it, and when I can finally get rid of it, I don't think I'll feel anything then either(aside from relief from range anxiety).
I still have no idea what to get for my next car, but I'm probably going back to ICE/hybrid since it's pretty apparent auto manufacturers are finally admitting they're not ready to enter the EV space and are backing down from projects. Only thing that could keep me with EVs would be if the Model 3 refresh has better build quality, and even then I'm not jazzed about the interior that looks like an Apple Store with about 20% less soul. I am also aware that Ford is among the manus that said they'd switch charge ports to the Tesla standard, but I still wouldn't buy a Mach E again knowing what I know now.
TL;DR this car's super phoned in and you have a lot of better options in every single area it tries to inhabit
I'll bet your experience would be way better if you had a level two charger where you lived. I can charge at home, and when I get my first EV in a few months, I'm sure that will make all the difference.
@@Tom-dt4ic If I was a homeowner, I agree, the charging issue would probably iron out. Unfortunately the way my complex and unit are, I have to run an extension cord from a 120V outlet to my car in parking. I'm not completely closed to owning another EV because the minimal maintenance is very nice, but for where I'm at in life rn, my only option is really Tesla unless they don't cut corners on making their superchargers available to all EVs
Thank you for sharing your experience
I also bought a Mach-E this summer, California Route 1, but I absolutely adore it and have no range anxiety. Part is living in a home where we could install a level 2 charger. If people can't do that, it makes owning an EV much more challenging, since the nearest fast chargers to me are half an hour or more away. However, my car has been able to do 4 road trips, twice on a 1300 mile round trip vacation, and twice on a 1700 mile round trip to see family. Minimal issues with charging or range anxiety. It's not for everyone yet, because you have to be willing to plan ahead and have back-up plans, and stops may take longer, though with kids and dogs, rest stops always took longer already. EV ownership is slowing because the cars are still expensive and interest rates are high. Growing pains. EVs will continue to become more common over time.
When you say manufacturers are not ready to enter the EV space you should be specific - traditional ones from both US (like Ford) and EU (Volkswagen). But if you look at Chinese market you will be surprised how READY these manufacturers are from an affordable price: you can get MME equivalent car for 20-25K with even better options, real government subsidies and charging networks. This is an example of how EV market should look like.
This is a great video review, coming from a Mach e 2023 owner. Yes, it's a big risk to buy a brand just getting started developing EV technology and if I couldn't charge it at home, I'd have bought a hybrid instead. That said, I love my car, it has enough performance and comfort that I expect from an EV. So far I haven't seen recalls on 2023 models and haven't had any minor issues.
Florida is ready (if the legislation hasn't passed already) to add a $200.00 per year additional registration fee on all EV's, due to lost gas tax revenue. Another issue down the road, if you know the pattern at Ford with replacement parts, many parts become NA after a few years, usually within 10 years of the vehicle's manufactured date. Even simple things like the hydraulic hood struts on a Crown Vic or Marquis have to be purchased aftermarket. I know, I asked my Ford dealer to replace them. Main computers are not available from Ford either on a Crown Vic / Marquis. With your EV, there's no telling if you will be able to get replacement parts for your battery circuitry after a few years, or if any aftermarket company would even risk carrying such an expensive part. This video doesn't address the looming draconian issues soon to come on all 2026 vehicles, which I highly recommend that NO ONE purchase any vehicles from 2026 on. We need to get the federal government out of the auto business. That means taking away executive orders and legislation passed under the Biden administration which will make kill switches and breathalyzers mandatory in all new vehicles, and preventing insurance companies from eventually cancelling policies on all vehicles that are not connected to a nationwide control system. IF you think that is some sort of conspiracy theory nonsense, you better start paying attention to some of the laws already passed in the last two Omnibus bills, and what insurance companies are considering already in Europe.
@tompastian3447 so much fear mongering about EVs. Back in the day, the same fears came from adopting cars, some people just wouldn't let go of their horses as means of transportation.
@@tompastian3447 as someone who doesn't drink that's the best news I've heard all year.
@@Neverwinter1984 "as someone who doesn't drink that's the best news I've heard all year." I don't drink either. I also do not condone driving intoxicated or driving while smoking weed, a more recent problem being ignored. But as to having a breathalyzer mandatory every time you start your car, plus a kill switch that you have no control over, then you better think about the implications of those types of intrusive laws.
Standard or long range?
Great details and information. Always like your reviews and respect your opinions.
I've had a Tesla Model 3 since mid-2019. I like the styling of this vehicle more than the Model Y or my M3P, but when comparing the two with all factors considered, if I were to make a move, I'd have to get this at a great price to choose it over one of Tesla's offerings. Also, the fact it is manufactured in Mexico is a factor.
With interest rates where they are and people being pissed at dealers for taking advantage of supply issues with market adjustments, I think it lead a lot of would-be buyers to hesitate on these. Couple that with this recall, it's not all that surprising they are having more difficulty selling them.
Something else that doesn't help with EV sales is that dealerships and salesmen have no incentive to sell EVs. Salesmen have to spend more time per customer and dealerships don't get a lot of service revenue from them. Despite being a Tesla skeptic, one of the things I think they did great is selling direct. No shenanigans, test drive one at a showroom, go online, hit "order" and pick up the car in a few weeks at most.
I think one of the issues that earlelier adopters and some of the more die hard ev pushers need to understand that it's not simply "range anxiety" it's a lack if charging infrastructure. Somewhere around 30%...almost 1/3 of the US population rents. Charging at home isn't an option. Ev charging stations,out side of tesla, aren't nearly as dependable or prevalent as the gas stations.
For me that means I want 250 miles, MINIMUM of expected city/communte out of an ev becuase I don't want to go out of my way to charge it more than once every week or 2.
If you want mass acceptance. They can't be luxury priced. Ive seen 'But those cheaper ones didn't sell well'.. the only sub 30k models I'm even aware of are the nissan leaf and the chevy bolt. The leaf only gets 150 miles and has a desgin that won't appear to everyone. The bolt, I'd consider if I were in the market
Outside of those two models, if all you want is a civic or Carolla noneof the fuel savings or maintenance savings matter if it takes up to 10 years for the price to equal out.
Granted you can get that down to 6 years or fewer years if
1. Your income is high enough to have 7500 in tax liability. About 60k if you just take a standard deduction.
2. Drive 15k+ miles per year
3. Can't perform basic routine maintenance. Oil, brakes, battery...maybe a fluid change here and there.
You're asking people to pay more for less convenience and just sort of hope tech improves.
Bought one non GT in 2021….love it. The range is never really a problem. I would say if range is a problem and you need to in your life frequently drive long distances Electric cars aren’t for you and you probably knew that. But if your daily commute is 40 minutes and maybe then you wanna go out at night it’s not really a problem.I think I’ve had to bring it in twice so far so really not that bad. The EV is cheaper for me. What I worry is long term car health but I love some of the safety systems. I got this because it was available over the competitors.
I think the main issue with sales is you really need to own your home to want/use an EV.
Noooo now they are going to point at me and say “Rich prick” owns his house! 😅😂
Yep. The people complaining about EVs don’t tend to own EVs. The charging gap issue for non single family homes does exist, and we’re working on it. Not a huge problem at the moment because a mere 8% of new car sales are currently EVs. We’ll be lucky to hit 25% by 2030, this transition has a lot of runway to iron out the details.
"I think the main issue with sales is you really need to own your home to want/use an EV."
I agree, this is the big hurdle I never hear people talk about. Look at the demographic that's most interested in EVs, and it's exactly the demographic that's stuck renting. Without a good way to charge at home why would you buy an EV in the current marketplace? There aren't enough chargers at apartment complexes or workplaces and the charge points around town, if there are ones even convenient to you, are too slow.
@@str1fe13 I never see it addressed how electrics are ever going to be handled in dense urban environments.
As a former New Yorker, I can't imagine how EV's will be charged in Brooklyn, Manhattan, the Bronx...
Technology Connections (RUclips channel) did a video talking about EV charging and laid out some ways to get EV charging as a renter, but it simply is not possible for many situations. It would suck/be impossible to rely on charging stations only
I recently bought a 24 mustang GT that I had built and it was fully loaded, every option minus the automatic trans and convertible. The MSRP was 63k but we got a 6k discount. While there I drove a Mach-E(IDK the trim level but not the GT) and its MSRP was 62k. I was so beyond bored driving it. I just can't imagine spending that much for no excitement. It didn't feel up class or anything. Felt like a 50k car, max.
63k for a gt. Yikes. Mustang gt used to be marketed for 20 somethings with a little cash. Now it is only for late 40s or 50s men with a subsrltantial income.
@@ronaldarchibald2506 I’m 27 but ok 👍
My wife fought me on buying one. With Ford rebates and zero % financing we bought the GT. We have now owned it for a month and she loves it. The cost of driving it roughly 1200 miles for the month of April was $38.
Thank you thank you thank you for your continued honest reviews and opinions. I imagine this makes getting manufacture support for your videos much harder. And their support equals clicks and $$$. You have clearly chosen to value your integrity and the consumer, over the pressures and influences by the manufactures. Many channels do not navigate this well. Reminds me of the glory days of Top Gear (UK). Again, thank you.
The way y’all love to let people get thrown to the capitalism wolves so you can have “truth” these people all have to eat. Not your problem tho huh 😅
This is a perfect conversation around the problems with EVs in general. Other than the novelty factor they really don't offer much over a comparable ICE vehicle at the proposed price. EVs make total sense for many commercial vehicles or cheaper commuter/city cars, but the push for them in the luxury segment is where the market has really gone off track. It just too hard of a sell for most people.
own one and come back here, or at least drive one and come back here. You get more interior space in a smaller car, you get better driving characteristics, little to no maintenance, and no need to fill up at the station. The only draw back to an EV where it isn't light years ahead of a gas vehicle is the time to charge. But even that's not that bad and Tesla chargers are begin opened to all manufacturers.
I’m pretty sure I keep coming back to your videos for the brutal humor 😂
Simply the most insightful car channel on RUclips.
When auto's were invented the public called them "Horseless Carriages." . Ironically, this tendency to perceive the future in terms of the past has become known as looking in the "Rear-view Mirror". It seems that every EV that is "retrofitted" to an ICE predecessor is a fail to some extent for this reason. EVs require a 100% clean sheet design. Disclaimer, I drive an Ioniq 5.