Can Traditionalists and Christians See Eye to Eye?

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    00:00 Intro
    00:49 There is only one true religion
    10:28 We all worship the same God but in different forms
    23:03 African traditional religion encourages ritual killings
    42:10 The opposing side is evil
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  • @jointhecruise
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      @darioclb1363 4 месяца назад +27

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      @manouchkaberus 4 месяца назад +5

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  • @cpd7172
    @cpd7172 4 месяца назад +5697

    As an African, this sounds like a normal conversation that aunts and uncles be having on a Friday afternoon in the living room. Funniest thing is they expect young people to not raise their voices

    • @dawoodwilliams3652
      @dawoodwilliams3652 4 месяца назад +44

      facts

    • @dumbo5747
      @dumbo5747 4 месяца назад +18

      RIGHT aakslmamdaddsdads

    • @kathylaure6761
      @kathylaure6761 4 месяца назад +17

      You’re right ! 🤣🤣

    • @a.k.m.3419
      @a.k.m.3419 4 месяца назад +62

      Went to a friends wedding in Nigeria, literally like 1/3 of the room was having these conversations.
      Eye opening, hilarious in a good lively humanistic way but also nucking futs.
      It was awesome.

    • @bisonmma-kickboxing2511
      @bisonmma-kickboxing2511 4 месяца назад +2

      😅😅😅

  • @tosinakinnagbe8131
    @tosinakinnagbe8131 4 месяца назад +6856

    Can y'all do this again? With people who can control their emotions more please?

    • @Itsrackss
      @Itsrackss 4 месяца назад +153

      Right lol

    • @galliano100
      @galliano100 4 месяца назад +711

      Lol you know our people.. Nigerians cannot control their emotions. It’s in our blood

    • @rocoustilerocoustile4320
      @rocoustilerocoustile4320 4 месяца назад +415

      @@galliano100 Black people in general, not just Nigerians. When it's a debate about religions, we get crazy.

    • @justchilling704
      @justchilling704 4 месяца назад +120

      @@rocoustilerocoustile4320 I don’t lol. I make a point to keep a cool head and not get overly offended.

    • @russell311000
      @russell311000 4 месяца назад +66

      That's how all of us Africans(ALL BLACK PEOPLE) are EMOTIONAL.

  • @ganggangy6819
    @ganggangy6819 Месяц назад +162

    Calmest african converstaion

  • @mizzzlicia1832
    @mizzzlicia1832 3 месяца назад +670

    The colonisers deserve a raise, outdid themselves with this one

    • @VictorOlanrewaju
      @VictorOlanrewaju 2 месяца назад +48

      Honestly 🤣🤣🤣 we overtook there imagination 😂

    • @Good_vibez_z
      @Good_vibez_z 2 месяца назад +100

      Not all African countries accepted Christianity because of colonization. There are many that adopted it as their own, way before the colonizers learned of the religion

    • @noire9601
      @noire9601 2 месяца назад +4

      Honestly...FACTS

    • @nompumelolo
      @nompumelolo 2 месяца назад

      colonizers ate with christianity. You guys haven't lived around african witches and it shows

    • @sonderexpeditions
      @sonderexpeditions 2 месяца назад +125

      Ethiopia is Christian and was never colonized. They've been Christians for centuries prior to slavery.

  • @joyirungu3592
    @joyirungu3592 4 месяца назад +2030

    'That is braggadocious' this killed me😂😂😂😂😂

    • @michaelosho1240
      @michaelosho1240 3 месяца назад +18

      😂😂😂😂

    • @wondygreat
      @wondygreat 3 месяца назад +20

      Omo, na wetin make me watch this episode as I see am for the beginning of the video.

    • @redeemingdaniela3682
      @redeemingdaniela3682 3 месяца назад +8

      Sameeeee 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @quakerdx5435
      @quakerdx5435 3 месяца назад +29

      Nah it was more like “brrrrrrrraggadocious” XDDDDD

    • @katrielladina9300
      @katrielladina9300 3 месяца назад +1

      😂😂

  • @penelopesiwela
    @penelopesiwela 3 месяца назад +555

    Religion aside, learning how to debate is an essential skill.

    • @moa_ke7236
      @moa_ke7236 Месяц назад +1

      IKR 💯

    • @EMMATV.
      @EMMATV. Месяц назад

      I swear

    • @oluwatobioyedeji480
      @oluwatobioyedeji480 Месяц назад +12

      Learning to debate in a calm way more like.
      I wish the emotions can be well controlled. 🤦

    • @oluwatoniodetayo3141
      @oluwatoniodetayo3141 Месяц назад +4

      I wish the lady with gold hair was better at presenting her points. After listening to her well I understand what she’s saying.

    • @Januaryof28
      @Januaryof28 23 дня назад +1

      People can argue about things in the Bible but trying to change people is impossible

  • @kueen___kay
    @kueen___kay Месяц назад +42

    The Igbo guy and the blonde lady are cracking me up! 😂😂

  • @calebita7382
    @calebita7382 2 месяца назад +133

    the igbo guy always stepping down from his seat always gets me😭😂

  • @laurendilaurentis6467
    @laurendilaurentis6467 3 месяца назад +1207

    I love being African. This was just like watching a family reunion everyone is so dramatic 💀

  • @latty7230
    @latty7230 4 месяца назад +545

    The chubby man with a beard and black outfit was the only one who remained calm and preached how a Christian should preach, respect goes out to him 🙌

    • @saywhaatuk26
      @saywhaatuk26 3 месяца назад +18

      This wasn’t a service for him to preach, this was a debate?

    • @georgeemmanuella5502
      @georgeemmanuella5502 3 месяца назад +27

      @@saywhaatuk26yes it’s not a service to preach, but preaching is about teaching the word. There was not way he would buttress on his points without explaining or teaching a little that others don’t know. That’s how debates work

    • @redeemingdaniela3682
      @redeemingdaniela3682 3 месяца назад

      I agree

    • @tajeesymone6650
      @tajeesymone6650 3 месяца назад +37

      Just because a person speaks in a calm tone doesn’t mean they’re right or that they are not being condescending or disrespectful.

    • @smelly1060
      @smelly1060 3 месяца назад +15

      Yeah but he still didn't make any real points

  • @shawnbrown7909
    @shawnbrown7909 2 месяца назад +148

    The Christians are positing that their faith is superior, but are offering only their holy book as proof. This is circular reasoning.

    • @Twinkle-cd3km
      @Twinkle-cd3km Месяц назад +23

      Completely false. Follower of Christ shares the word of Jesus . You guys just build a wall up instantly and think we are forcing because we are teaching . But one day every knee will bow at the name JESUS.

    • @user-hx5eq6lt7v
      @user-hx5eq6lt7v Месяц назад +26

      @@Twinkle-cd3kmNo, it's actually true. I'm not going to argue whether there is a God or not. The evidence they give is bullshit. What they say is literally "God is because there is a Bible, and the Bible is because there is a God." This is called circular reasoning because your proof of something relies on that "something". It's like A is true because B, and B is true because A

    • @mereiam
      @mereiam Месяц назад +13

      @@Twinkle-cd3km If i tell you the world is flat because I wrote a book that said the world is flat and you asked where I got that from and I said the book and then asked why did I write such a book, and I responded with " because the world is flat"- that is what you just did and what Christians do.

    • @King-Rapture
      @King-Rapture Месяц назад

      They fail to see that the book is there idol and antichrist. They fail to realize it was words from people who shared there stories. A book cannot be the key to all of these life's secrets. God Is always within us, not saying we are God.....but we are intune with God....Religion is devision, it was brought to bind black people. The real way to know God is to withhold your sexual energy meditate and pray within.

    • @King-Rapture
      @King-Rapture Месяц назад

      They think the bible is a journal to life, a step to step book.....This is false, life is filled with dangerous capabilities, like a whole nation no ever hearing or even seeing the pages of the book.

  • @ilungatshitende7696
    @ilungatshitende7696 Месяц назад +49

    I love how the man dressed in red eloquently explained the concept of comprehending God. He likened our understanding to being blindfolded individuals feeling different parts of an elephant, representing God, with our faith serving as our hands. Due to our blindness, each of us interprets and understands God in unique ways based on the specific part we touch, reflecting the diversity of human perception and experience.

    • @LightoftheWorldMinistry-mg8pd
      @LightoftheWorldMinistry-mg8pd 18 дней назад +4

      However, His explanation didn't validate his point. If we touch different parts of the elephant and have different notions of the parts we felt respectively; like trees, wall for example, it doesn't change the fact that our notions are wrong, and the interpretation is false because it's neither a tree nor a wall, but it is what it is. Therefore, it comes out as a blind faith. This is why when Moses asked the God of Abraham what He must tell the people should they ask who his God is, God answered Moses ''I AM WHO I AM'' because He couldn't ascribe Himself to any other thing but Himself. To see God for whom He truly is, first, your eyes have to be open and there is only one who is capable of opening the eyes of the blind and His name is JESUS. Matthew 11:27 ''No one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him''.

    • @ilungatshitende7696
      @ilungatshitende7696 17 дней назад +2

      @@LightoftheWorldMinistry-mg8pd don't you think it's "blind faith" to believe that the only person that can open your eyes is someone that a book said?

    • @LightoftheWorldMinistry-mg8pd
      @LightoftheWorldMinistry-mg8pd 16 дней назад

      @@ilungatshitende7696 Valid question! To those on the other side, it's a blind faith, but to those who believe, it's a living faith because they now see. Following the analogy of the traditionalist, he acknowledges that he, hence those who touched the elephant remain blind, which means as a traditionalist, he still needs a savior to gain true sight, but who is the savior that can give sight? Many believers know Jesus outside of a book, He is not a myth, He is real. John 20:29 - Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.

    • @ellonglobe
      @ellonglobe 12 дней назад

      ​@@LightoftheWorldMinistry-mg8pdMuslims today have not seen their prophet yet they believe

    • @mlungisiwright912
      @mlungisiwright912 3 дня назад

      ​@@LightoftheWorldMinistry-mg8pdhmm what Jesus claimed is what a narcissist or cult leader would claim. The arguing is silly to me because 1) "Jesus" came to West Africa as a slave ship commanded by one John Hawkins 2) Nigeria was called the "Slave Coast" because of all the people that the Christians stole. 3) The main reason why West Africans converted to Christianity was because of a claim that people were sacrificing and eating each other. 4) Yet you converted to a religion that teaches you to pretend to eat a person and celebrates the death of an innocent man.

  • @Esther-lz3ej
    @Esther-lz3ej 4 месяца назад +1974

    That traditionalist Igbo man came straight out of Nollywood!😭🤣

    • @teteya.n
      @teteya.n 4 месяца назад +29

      😂😂😂😂😂I know right?

    • @Esther-lz3ej
      @Esther-lz3ej 4 месяца назад +65

      @@teteya.n Just be shouting shouting up and down! 😭

    • @Luminate.tv.
      @Luminate.tv. 4 месяца назад +3

      😂😂😂😂

    • @elisiojorge8473
      @elisiojorge8473 4 месяца назад +80

      @Ester-Iz3ej that's a braggadocious comment😂

    • @God_is_an_Atheist666
      @God_is_an_Atheist666 4 месяца назад +53

      He was funny so he was somewhat entertaining 😂

  • @mazvitaselemani
    @mazvitaselemani 4 месяца назад +1304

    Yohhh, the Christian woman bringing arguments from the Bible as the basis of her argument to people who don't believe in the Bible 😂😂😂.... if you're going to debate with none believers on your faith you need a very deep theological knowledge of Christianity otherwise it comes off as "preachy".

    • @jointhecruise
      @jointhecruise  4 месяца назад +154

      You're absolutely right.

    • @MW-hy9ew
      @MW-hy9ew 4 месяца назад +107

      The woman did correct, you can only speak the truth when debating & the truth is the words from the Bible. Her faith is in those words, that is the foundation of her faith. Basically it was theological because the study of God can only come from the knowledge you obtained from reading the Bible. Doesn’t matter if you believe or not, God words are in the Bible & when we speak of him, we don’t add or take away from the truth which is his words, not ours.

    • @mazvitaselemani
      @mazvitaselemani 4 месяца назад +234

      @@MW-hy9ew for preaching yes, but when you are debating, using the word is not enough unfortunately and using the word to speak down on people (which is what she was doing and is what a lot of Christians do) doesn't help. Theological knowledge involves speaking about the history of the scriptures and archaeological evidence backed down from ages and as well as information on the different translations of the scriptures. Being passionate and being angry that someone doesn't agree with the word only repels them away even more

    • @ezidimmakenneth7927
      @ezidimmakenneth7927 4 месяца назад +33

      You can cite biblical texts and still make very valid points. Truth is self authenticating. If the scripture is true, it shouldn’t be afraid to stand up to public scrutiny. My only problem is that the woman is too fanatical and has a very uncoordinated mind. She talks out of point.
      You needed to hear Dr John MacArthur arguing for Christianity with atheists on CNN on Larry king shows in those days. You’ll see how to make arguments from the Bible with a very sound mind

    • @kandacewalker848
      @kandacewalker848 4 месяца назад +64

      I don’t understand why Christian’s argue the bible is true without discussing its origins. Can anyone explain how you believe this is true without additional evidence?

  • @SomethingNewAMBW
    @SomethingNewAMBW 2 месяца назад +40

    "beware of those who destroy history".. ...mmm listen, ths line here rings VERY loudly

  • @iwegbunachioma6093
    @iwegbunachioma6093 Месяц назад +62

    I’m a strong Christian and I feel they should have brought Christians with good debating skills

    • @edgar5814
      @edgar5814 Месяц назад +1

      Rifht cause their answers are going based emotions and feelings… 🧍🏽‍♂️

    • @user-kk2xl7vm4r
      @user-kk2xl7vm4r 25 дней назад +4

      Yes oo that woman know nothing

    • @ciandryl
      @ciandryl 7 дней назад

      You can never use the contents of the bible when it comes to debate

  • @teezhanje6555
    @teezhanje6555 3 месяца назад +813

    Not the Christian’s fighting each other for 2minutes and the traditionalists just watching silently 😂

    • @burger4131
      @burger4131 3 месяца назад +107

      Even christians don't have one believe 😅

    • @Syree21
      @Syree21 3 месяца назад +12

      LMFAOOOOO YO i was like ummm

    • @sakurakou2009
      @sakurakou2009 3 месяца назад +25

      ​@@burger4131europeans have 100years war arguing over church orthodox catholics protestants etc

    • @GhostRIley-sl3rn
      @GhostRIley-sl3rn 3 месяца назад

      Yeah, they have different denominations. Just like Muslims have different denominations like Shia , Sunni, Ahmediya etc@@burger4131

    • @danielrousseau1593
      @danielrousseau1593 3 месяца назад +3

      @@sakurakou2009and yet there can only be one church.

  • @okezuo6067
    @okezuo6067 4 месяца назад +886

    The man vex and said "how can you prove that someone didnt smoke ganja and wrote it" 😂🤣🤣😭 i nearly faint

    • @ploymusicandlifestyle5067
      @ploymusicandlifestyle5067 3 месяца назад +44

      It's blasphemy! The holy bible is inspiring by the holy spirit true word of God !🔥🕊️

    • @jameswatson5807
      @jameswatson5807 3 месяца назад +64

      man is right.

    • @prophetofanu8933
      @prophetofanu8933 3 месяца назад +119

      ​@@ploymusicandlifestyle5067 can you prove what is in the bible without using the bible?

    • @SnapLifeShortz
      @SnapLifeShortz 3 месяца назад +3

      😂😂😂

    • @I-might-be-immortal
      @I-might-be-immortal 3 месяца назад +25

      @@prophetofanu8933 they could use the same argument for whatever you believe in or choose not to lmao
      “Prove evolution exists without showing me a diagram or the bacteria multiplying fallacy”. Show me an Ape turning into a human in REALITY.
      😂quit acting like a superior when nobody truly knows therefore can’t say for certain either.

  • @angelazsz
    @angelazsz 2 месяца назад +96

    that elephant analogy and the monologue he gave after was amazing. i am not even religious yet i completely agree with that notion. we as humans are simply trying to understand what is so much grander than us, we cannot know all with our mortal minds. well done!
    very entertaining video, though i know that wasn’t its purpose LOL

  • @Akuabata222
    @Akuabata222 2 месяца назад +66

    Omo this herbalist guy was the most articulate. I DONT SUPPORT HIS STAND but his analogies are brilliant! Especially the ELEPHANT ANALOGY

    • @jcoolvibes
      @jcoolvibes 2 месяца назад +1

      Nor be lie

    • @nickdavila94
      @nickdavila94 2 месяца назад +4

      That's an old analogy that comes from India

    • @whitneyojukwu120
      @whitneyojukwu120 14 дней назад +3

      It sounds good but is actually a very poor analogy. At the end of the day, two contradictory things cannot be true at the same time. If one God says He is the only way (proving it through his death and resurrection), another god that denies that proof cannot also be true. Human beings have spent most of their history feeling around the elephant blindly, but at some point the elephant’s full picture was revealed. Yet people still insist on keeping the blindfold on, touching only one small part which can never paint the correct picture of what the elephant is.

    • @kzeetha
      @kzeetha 11 дней назад

      ​@@whitneyojukwu120💥💥💥💥

    • @kj_H65f
      @kj_H65f 8 дней назад +1

      ​@@whitneyojukwu120thats why its called an analogy, because while these concepts are not the same, they are in a way analogous. Otherwise you would just explain it exactly as it is. The elephant is used as a metaphor, a parable in a way. If Jesus can say "the kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding feast" then this man can talk about an elephant

  • @NavarreSkyyeRocks
    @NavarreSkyyeRocks 4 месяца назад +235

    I think braggadocious is my new word of the day

  • @tosinakinnagbe8131
    @tosinakinnagbe8131 4 месяца назад +1883

    As Christians, we need to do a better job at defending our faith. I agree with the point that you can't use the Bible to defend the Bible. We don't defend it objectively. I want to learn how to do that.

    • @princeicykeybord
      @princeicykeybord 4 месяца назад +277

      You cant. It’s simply false.

    • @Si_Mion
      @Si_Mion 4 месяца назад

      Christianity can only be validated with the book that has no reason to be validated especially when you research on how the book came about. Christians act like the book fell from the sky. It’s all false.

    • @wickmaani116
      @wickmaani116 4 месяца назад +328

      @@princeicykeybordits not though, the bible is historcal text and it aligns with history bro, literal kings and literal rulers and literal pharaohs outside of the bible are in the bible, prophecies and predictions of down to key events were written in scriptures before it even happened

    • @emperorhideyoshi3223
      @emperorhideyoshi3223 4 месяца назад +125

      @@wickmaani116it’s not a historical book or source

    • @dijonay971
      @dijonay971 4 месяца назад +139

      @@wickmaani116Written by man at the end of the day though…

  • @Dairygirl507
    @Dairygirl507 2 месяца назад +39

    The man in red dress can’t control his emotions 😂😂

    • @scrimshrugs
      @scrimshrugs Месяц назад

      when the truth gets denied when both are right and should not be going at each other its a never ending argument

    • @kzeetha
      @kzeetha 11 дней назад +1

      Not red dress😫🤣🤣

  • @ChristcentredNaturalgee
    @ChristcentredNaturalgee 2 месяца назад +17

    I love how bold the Christian’s were when talking about Jesus.

    • @davidnixon2525
      @davidnixon2525 Месяц назад

      Yup the white Jesus cause they was wrong on many levels

  • @addbackwards
    @addbackwards 4 месяца назад +775

    I know madam’s bag was exhausted after being thrown around the whole episode 😭😭🤣🤣😂😂👏🏾

    • @jointhecruise
      @jointhecruise  4 месяца назад +34

      😂😂
      You noticed?

    • @irisafuadouse3538
      @irisafuadouse3538 3 месяца назад +1

      🤣🤣

    • @kevinmaxim
      @kevinmaxim 3 месяца назад +21

      That was the first thing that made me laugh! Was there no secure place for her to store it? 🤣

    • @thisiselodie
      @thisiselodie 3 месяца назад +42

      @@kevinmaxim She probably didn't feel safe leaving it unattended with traditionalists around...just in case lol

    • @kemiaro9912
      @kemiaro9912 2 месяца назад

      😂😂😂😂

  • @myworkcomputer
    @myworkcomputer 3 месяца назад +473

    you can tell auntie HAD ENOUGH 😂

    • @abzigwe3656
      @abzigwe3656 2 месяца назад +7

      Lol, they start with so much strength, then get tired and tell the rest of us we are making noise.

    • @IfedayoBillions
      @IfedayoBillions Месяц назад

      Lool....I was tited on her behalf too

  • @helloo8243
    @helloo8243 3 месяца назад +46

    I am a muslim. I think that the traditionalist had very valid and insightful points that we could all use as something to think about and reflect on our own personal beliefs.

    • @cristiano2741
      @cristiano2741 3 месяца назад

      Ur religion is a cult

    • @scarymonster5541
      @scarymonster5541 3 месяца назад +8

      ​@@cristiano2741 similar to your

    • @Viola-xw4fc
      @Viola-xw4fc Месяц назад +10

      😂bcz your religions are similar

    • @nihiqallam5616
      @nihiqallam5616 Месяц назад +2

      😂😂

    • @phizzy123
      @phizzy123 25 дней назад +1

      @@Viola-xw4fchow is islam similar to african traditional religions? please answer concisely with facts.

  • @Chi4evr
    @Chi4evr Месяц назад +25

    The odinala man is making the most sense

  • @eightofhearts
    @eightofhearts 3 месяца назад +305

    Nigerians are honestly the funniest people and they do it effortlessly, the expressions take me out 🤣🤣🤣

    • @loveydovey6598
      @loveydovey6598 Месяц назад +1

      They soo funny its nice when it's Nigerians😂❤

  • @malvytheoo
    @malvytheoo 3 месяца назад +791

    When the lady said "do you know Jesus Christ is God?" The way the traditionalist flared up is a thing of comedy 😂😂

    • @malvytheoo
      @malvytheoo 3 месяца назад +88

      The traditionalist doesn't want to hear the name of Jesus 😂😂 absolutely hilarious

    • @ms.donaldson2533
      @ms.donaldson2533 3 месяца назад +19

      I usually respond back with "Did you know that the cross was feared at the time of Christ and known as a symbol of death marking the graves of slaves adn murderers" as I pull up the screenshot of the 1880s Biblical Dictionary. Then my follow up question is "Did you know that during the Great Bible Hoax of 1881 the word THY was change to THE?" Now..... no one knows THY father and believe men are women and can have babies. The Hebrew Carpenter version spoke against these things, but he Jewish King profits from them.

    • @malvytheoo
      @malvytheoo 3 месяца назад +10

      @@ms.donaldson2533 your point??

    • @samuelnwangwu9841
      @samuelnwangwu9841 3 месяца назад +7

      Wow. I believe a level of congratulations is owed here for the complexity you’ve managed to conjure for emptiness…

    • @ConnectWithSid
      @ConnectWithSid 3 месяца назад +20

      ​@@malvytheooI am Traditionalists, I like Jesus , But not as a god , But a very Good Man with good hearth

  • @mereiam
    @mereiam Месяц назад +58

    Watching this as a muslim is funny cause traditionalists have been the only ones really arguing a point

    • @akusudaisy
      @akusudaisy 27 дней назад +3

      Jesus is the way 🙌🏿❤️

    • @Alive4ife
      @Alive4ife 14 дней назад +1

      Watching this as an African, I'm dying of laughter😅😅😅😊
      There is only One God and fallen angels that have tried to claim that position

    • @kzeetha
      @kzeetha 11 дней назад +1

      Not shocked u would stand with anyone but Christian

    • @Austrian_Painter.7
      @Austrian_Painter.7 3 дня назад

      Christian do the same thing ​@@kzeetha

    • @Ionic_edge
      @Ionic_edge День назад

      @@kzeethawhy would Muslims stand up for people who are confuse and don’t know shit about their religion?

  • @babalwamankge2461
    @babalwamankge2461 2 месяца назад +6

    Just discovered this channel yesterday, and I'm hooked. Love from South Africa❤

  • @tariqsami1223
    @tariqsami1223 4 месяца назад +671

    “How can you not tell me that the person have not smoke Ganja and the person was speaking in his own terms “ 😂😂

    • @m2w2k
      @m2w2k 4 месяца назад +8

      Ganja is from the same source 🌶️

    • @latinaecuapr2695
      @latinaecuapr2695 4 месяца назад +2

      😂😂😂

    • @Psciyentist
      @Psciyentist 4 месяца назад +5

      😂😂😂😂 I am entertained !!!

    • @n.o.7681
      @n.o.7681 4 месяца назад +6

      I hollered when I heard that 😂😂

    • @nevfelix
      @nevfelix 3 месяца назад +7

      Wait. What.... time stamp please this must've slipped me while I was laughing at something else 🤣🤣🤣😭🤌🏽

  • @ogochukwukanu2251
    @ogochukwukanu2251 4 месяца назад +560

    As christians we must learn to speak with wisdom

    • @togarmah9848
      @togarmah9848 4 месяца назад +18

      Amenn

    • @Carlinisalive
      @Carlinisalive 4 месяца назад

      You believe that a teen mom gave birth to a magic baby not much wisdom to be found

    • @DennisKiarie-uy7lf
      @DennisKiarie-uy7lf 3 месяца назад +24

      ​@@togarmah9848what widom, stick to your fairy tales

    • @h6rx183
      @h6rx183 3 месяца назад +12

      @@DennisKiarie-uy7lfit is the truth

    • @joshuataufan582
      @joshuataufan582 3 месяца назад +3

      @@DennisKiarie-uy7lf you the type of person to believe in gender identity

  • @Tcharlez
    @Tcharlez 3 месяца назад +13

    I found this Channel today and I'm so entertained and educated at the same time.. I just subscribed😊

  • @bolanola3444
    @bolanola3444 2 месяца назад +7

    This is a great topic to have. We need a lot more topics just as this.

  • @Rheetahskitchen
    @Rheetahskitchen 3 месяца назад +254

    Just because he’s a traditionalist does not make him evil… that woman is ignorant and she has a lot to learn. I am a Christian and because someone does not worship God the way I do doesn’t make them evil❤

    • @johnhunter7469
      @johnhunter7469 3 месяца назад +34

      She probably Saw too many nollywood movies😂

    • @jazminforbes209
      @jazminforbes209 2 месяца назад

      Huh lol

    • @tadiwamapuranga
      @tadiwamapuranga 2 месяца назад +17

      If you do not believe in Jesus...you definitely are!!
      As a Christian you should stand by Jesus no matter what.clearly you have Alot to learn.How can you remain calm and understanding when someone says the Master isn't God... that's just crazy

    • @funnygaming2672
      @funnygaming2672 2 месяца назад

      @@tadiwamapuranga 🤡your a clown if you think that people that dont know or believe in jesus is bad .go back reading your bible you fail to understand it

    • @_Sloppyham
      @_Sloppyham 2 месяца назад

      @@tadiwamapuranga you’re a lunatic if you’re definition of evil and bad is someone who does not believe your specific god is real.

  • @azonefine5344
    @azonefine5344 4 месяца назад +1545

    As an agnostic this is absolute comedy 😂

    • @Brain_in_a_pod
      @Brain_in_a_pod 4 месяца назад +44

      Real😂

    • @jointhecruise
      @jointhecruise  4 месяца назад +91

      For real?
      You're not convinced by any of the sides? 😂

    • @tok1879
      @tok1879 4 месяца назад +227

      It's hilarious! It's like watching kids debate whether Santa clause is real 😂😂😅

    • @azonefine5344
      @azonefine5344 4 месяца назад +140

      @@jointhecruise none at all my dad is a traditionalist and my mom is a Christian so I’ve just not liked any of the sided I don’t need a religion I just do what is morally correct in my eyes🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @wander-wonder
      @wander-wonder 4 месяца назад +20

      same here!
      it seemed like a cockfight!....

  • @adityasharma1097
    @adityasharma1097 2 месяца назад +14

    Africa need to come out of colonial mindset of Christianity.

    • @isaacthegoat1432
      @isaacthegoat1432 2 месяца назад +1

      Westerners need to leave their ideology out of Africa.

  • @vman9347
    @vman9347 3 месяца назад +30

    I love how the African church is so passionate when they defend the faith.

    • @thirsty57
      @thirsty57 2 месяца назад

      Sad bc that religion was forced on them through Slavery smh the same religion that wouldn’t let black ppl worship in the same church. Ha

    • @Timzy2Drip
      @Timzy2Drip 2 месяца назад

      just like any another person

  • @clemcollison2152
    @clemcollison2152 4 месяца назад +213

    So much passion yet so little communication and comprehension skills but this content was very insightful

    • @TheSunkissedmein2000
      @TheSunkissedmein2000 4 месяца назад +3

      What a beautiful conversation

    • @ariamason9324
      @ariamason9324 3 месяца назад +10

      It's a headache 😫 😩. I can see how Nigeria is in the state it is.

    • @Q.T-T
      @Q.T-T 23 дня назад

      I think UR comprehension skills was low because I understood everything.

  • @sinfinite7516
    @sinfinite7516 3 месяца назад +170

    “I have not yet hit the hammer in the nail”. Love these analogies 😂

  • @jp-oy3tf
    @jp-oy3tf Месяц назад +1

    Truly enjoyed this, thank you.

  • @chinazaakinwale
    @chinazaakinwale 2 месяца назад

    Wow 🎉🎉🎉 love this❤❤ This is the kind of videos we need❤️❤️

  • @mxdahliabelle
    @mxdahliabelle 3 месяца назад +170

    Omolola seems to be a model Christian. She is full of love, light, insight, and grace 🕊 (thus, it's not surprising how much people talked over her)

    • @beverlyglasgow4831
      @beverlyglasgow4831 2 месяца назад +1

      Are you serious? Do know her from somewhere, have you met her before. Stop!

  • @genesisramos6244
    @genesisramos6244 4 месяца назад +542

    What i found most interesting is that the traditionalists were knowledgeable about religion and spirituality overall. They even helped to support the Christians argument.

    • @lovelyvanelle6052
      @lovelyvanelle6052 4 месяца назад

      Well at the end they wanted to be called evil so badly. If Christians say they find them evil, they complain. If they say "as a person ur not evil" they still complian weird

    • @aaocs7042
      @aaocs7042 3 месяца назад +24

      No; they were giving examples from this and that and no true source of guidance and instruction

    • @jelenimirijana1890
      @jelenimirijana1890 3 месяца назад

      the vid is too short to be able to give a source. the only source the christians used was the bible. which is not a valid source.@@aaocs7042

    • @asafo.academic.lectures
      @asafo.academic.lectures 3 месяца назад +59

      ​@@aaocs7042incorrect, a lot of this is oral tradition has been lost through invasion, colonialisation. The Library of Alexandria was burned down by Romans which held spiritual ancient record.

    • @aaocs7042
      @aaocs7042 3 месяца назад

      @@asafo.academic.lectures what they said still does not add up to a coherent argument so they have lost. They are constantly criticising what the Christians were merely stating out of their bible and have no real doctrine themselves. They don't even know what the bible said and just made things up.

  • @kirstenyoung4
    @kirstenyoung4 2 месяца назад +9

    This is SOOO good!!! Auntie is powerful!

    • @biharcourt
      @biharcourt Месяц назад

      She's not powerful. She's deeply unintelligent.

  • @ALCHEMIST_001
    @ALCHEMIST_001 2 месяца назад +10

    23:59 "sorry can i back out"😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @JcOnAFieldtrip
    @JcOnAFieldtrip 3 месяца назад +419

    the traditionalists are generally so knowledgable. they dont explain things through their religion. they acknowledge that their beliefs are one perspective of many

    • @heistbros8575
      @heistbros8575 3 месяца назад +9

      True but that is only because their religion was converted to Christianity. When Christianity first came to the land they did not recognize him as God nor true. They only believed in their own faith.

    • @jasontrevorhaye
      @jasontrevorhaye 3 месяца назад +4

      ​@heistbros8575 the way you described it. Sounds how every culture conquered by Christian rulers. Did with their cultures. Thank you for that insight. Which I also think is why so many sects came to be.

    • @honestgenz4413
      @honestgenz4413 3 месяца назад

      ​@@heistbros8575 Or they became islamic. The muslim religion got a lot of their asses too way back then.

    • @kadicrystie6293
      @kadicrystie6293 3 месяца назад

      Exactly! I really liked the elephants analogy. Unfortunately it seems like the Christians in this video are very closed minded and are not trying to acknowledge anything else but their religion being the only way lol.

    • @BoMaBriGgs
      @BoMaBriGgs 3 месяца назад +1

      👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • @queenrudshel9802
    @queenrudshel9802 4 месяца назад +753

    I wish there were questions about slavery, colonization and how Christianity played a role in that. And how traditional religions helped the Haitian Revolution

    • @DanielPerez-ed4rn
      @DanielPerez-ed4rn 4 месяца назад +128

      God Himself is against slavery and colonization, the Roman Catholic Church does NOT embody the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    • @nami20622
      @nami20622 4 месяца назад +127

      @@DanielPerez-ed4rn You are wrong man even my African American coworker whose grandparents were slaves told me that the bible was used to justify slavery and he has mixed feelings on the topic!! Here is Ephesians 6:5-8 "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free."

    • @DanielPerez-ed4rn
      @DanielPerez-ed4rn 4 месяца назад +85

      @@nami20622 just because mankind twists scripture for THEIR advantage, does not mean God accepts it. What about you shall not kill, you shall not steal, you shall not covet. You can read out of context all day long, Jesus came to set people FREE of spiritual bondage. But yes, men with evil in their heart will always use God’s word to push more evil.

    • @DanielPerez-ed4rn
      @DanielPerez-ed4rn 4 месяца назад

      @@nami20622 my friend, do you mind reading the rest? ”And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.“
      ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6‬:‭9‬ ‭NIV‬‬

    • @DanielPerez-ed4rn
      @DanielPerez-ed4rn 4 месяца назад

      Technically you and I, are slaves to our workforce, unless you work for yourself. If that is the case, even better. But for those who DO work for a company and have a boss, he/she is technically our master in that regard. Has NOTHING to do with the Atlantic Slave Trade. What happened with them, is COMPLETELY evil and against God’s commandments.

  • @Laearth_
    @Laearth_ 2 месяца назад +8

    This was fun to watch. Chukwuebuka is my favourite

  • @putujamiir
    @putujamiir 2 месяца назад +7

    I need a part 2 with the same people!!

  • @kefiranicole2154
    @kefiranicole2154 4 месяца назад +307

    PK times two here. Both of my parents are Christian ministers. One thing I know with certainty is that most Christian people; especially older ones, do not know how to properly advocate for their religion. Most times their approach leaves ‘nonbelievers’ MORE convinced that Christianity is not the way. The woman with the blonde hair is a prime example. There is a difference between being emotional
    and being passionate. You can’t shovel a Bible down the throat of someone who doesn’t believe in it and magically make them believe 🤦🏾‍♀️ While I lean towards spirituality over religion there is nothing wrong with the character of Christ if you’re actually willing to win people over with unconditional love. Run this one back without that lady please and thank you 🙏🏾

    • @rubyedwards7184
      @rubyedwards7184 3 месяца назад +10

      I completely agree with you 100% and you and I are pretty much on the same page with where we stand.

    • @izion515
      @izion515 3 месяца назад +4

      Well said

    • @pedrogabrielmestrecobas5764
      @pedrogabrielmestrecobas5764 3 месяца назад +4

      “there’s nothing wrong with the character of Christ” is a misrepresentation of what we Christians believe. We do not just believe he was a guy with a good character, he’s The One and only God to us.

    • @kefiranicole2154
      @kefiranicole2154 3 месяца назад +24

      @@pedrogabrielmestrecobas5764 I’m aware of what Christians believe. I grew up in a Christian home; as I stated. I’ve also read the Bible and nowhere does it say that Jesus is God. Even Jesus himself said multiple times “It’s not about me, but the one who sent me.” However; that’s not even the point of what I said. I said that Christians need to approach ‘nonbelievers’ with the same unconditional love that Christ did.

    • @pedrogabrielmestrecobas5764
      @pedrogabrielmestrecobas5764 3 месяца назад +11

      ​@@kefiranicole2154 one thing is to read the Bible and another thing is to understand it, which you clearly don't. "He who has seen Me has seen The Father" John 14: 8-10.
      "I and The Father are One" John 10:30.
      "Before Abraham was, I am" John 8:54.
      In the Bible Jesus is referred as the word of God, and in John 1:1 states: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,” so that makes Jesus God.
      You can believe or not in the Bible, that is your choice and I respect it. But to say Jesus never claimed to be God is a big lie, and that I will not allow.
      And yes we love nonbelievers unconditionally as Jesus instructed us to, but that and being judgmental of sin are not mutually exclusive. We love the sinner, not the sin. And not believing is the biggest of sins.
      Growing up in a christian household don't mean you know Christ. God bless you.

  • @siphowarrior9080
    @siphowarrior9080 4 месяца назад +329

    This was very entertaining. I love watching religious debates/discussions but I’ve never laughed so hard. Africans will always add flare to an argument that other people will state simply.

  • @chidubemojide4674
    @chidubemojide4674 2 месяца назад +2

    I can't wait for part 2

  • @gregscolumn
    @gregscolumn 21 день назад +2

    This is a really good argument, please I would like to suggest we have a part two of this but this time it would be between the different part of Christianity in Nigeria Catholics, RCCG, JW Winners etc.

  • @nostalgiattw
    @nostalgiattw 4 месяца назад +383

    taiwo is so patient, i wish they actually let him speak more 😭 he’s so well spoken, and actually has great points

    • @dijonay971
      @dijonay971 4 месяца назад +42

      He spoke plenty, and cut many people off before they could land - misconstruing their words. I don’t think he was patient at all.

    • @PurpleChamelion-iy2xe
      @PurpleChamelion-iy2xe 4 месяца назад +23

      I don't know what video you watched but that guy was not patient

    • @shaliuk
      @shaliuk 4 месяца назад +7

      Yea but the words coming out are daft. He knows how to sound smart

    • @balintgombas9432
      @balintgombas9432 4 месяца назад +2

      I would actually like a conversation with him, because he sounded like he can make valid points and arguments.

    • @EstherOlabisi
      @EstherOlabisi 4 месяца назад +4

      He knows his stuff! I’m so proud of him

  • @mostlyqueenly
    @mostlyqueenly 4 месяца назад +450

    Chukwuemeka hears JESUS, and starts freaking out 😭😭😭

    • @jointhecruise
      @jointhecruise  4 месяца назад +20

      💀💀

    • @osi5838
      @osi5838 4 месяца назад +11

      Ignorance is bliss 😂

    • @Kingofthenet2
      @Kingofthenet2 4 месяца назад +54

      He was acting a fool the whole time. Him and the old lady made this thing very hard to get through

    • @KingofgraceSARA
      @KingofgraceSARA 4 месяца назад +8

      Manifesting!

    • @Tri.dawg1
      @Tri.dawg1 4 месяца назад +37

      @@jointhecruisedon’t bring that big auntie women 😂😂 she have no clue what she trying to say and she likes to look away from somebody who don’t agree with her beliefs that’s so childish to me see a grown ass women having bad communication

  • @shaspearman8647
    @shaspearman8647 2 месяца назад +4

    I love this Igbo mam , Chukz! Warrior for traditional African ways. African man ORIGINAL 🥰

  • @Elsies_dorta
    @Elsies_dorta 2 месяца назад +3

    I LOVE this channels!!! Us Africans are the best at debating

  • @winviki123
    @winviki123 4 месяца назад +175

    Key takeaway from this video : I learned a new word "braggadocious". Thanks. 😄

    • @jointhecruise
      @jointhecruise  4 месяца назад +9

      Our pleasure! 😂❤

    • @NjokiKiiru
      @NjokiKiiru 3 месяца назад +11

      The way he said it was so cool.. I love Nigerians!🤣

    • @isokoletu
      @isokoletu 3 месяца назад +2

      Imagine😂

    • @jaykay4783
      @jaykay4783 3 месяца назад +1

      That got me dying 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @RahYisrael99
      @RahYisrael99 12 дней назад

      Oh my..thats a new word to you? I must be really old already.

  • @kentagang5717
    @kentagang5717 4 месяца назад +402

    It is sad that most times when we, Christians, are called to defend what we believe, we 'fall hands'. Our places of worship are doing poorly in teaching sound doctrine.

    • @annalawson6788
      @annalawson6788 4 месяца назад +7

      Louder

    • @Enkaybe
      @Enkaybe 4 месяца назад +2

      Thissss

    • @daveo2431
      @daveo2431 4 месяца назад +24

      Well, how many of us will actually study our faith when many simply goes by what the Pastor is saying, plus the fact that we don't teach core doctrines.

    • @olavu11
      @olavu11 4 месяца назад +28

      Christians should not blame the place of worship. They should blame themselves. The church nor Christian leadership should serve as the gatekeepers of biblical or historical knowledge. You have to do the work yourselves.

    • @annalawson6788
      @annalawson6788 4 месяца назад +12

      @@olavu11 yes you have a point but don't forget that when you are born you receive education first from that home you were born into it takes maturity to self educate so the place of worship is part of the problem

  • @MindPharmer
    @MindPharmer 2 месяца назад +11

    I want to be part of part 2 as a traditionalist..

  • @khadijatamida4056
    @khadijatamida4056 2 месяца назад +2

    I found this channel today and it so interesting that have also watched 6 episode

  • @esthermwense7128
    @esthermwense7128 4 месяца назад +81

    I like the way the man in red stands when he's trying to make a point 😊😂

    • @nompumelolo
      @nompumelolo 2 месяца назад +2

      shouting is making a point?

  • @nettynyakiambori4780
    @nettynyakiambori4780 4 месяца назад +164

    The odinala man speaks so much sense and with so much authority and understanding. He understands the origin of his religion and respects that it exists in parallel to other religions. I think we as Africans need to research and learn more about our ancient religions before dismissing them as demonic as we were conditioned to by our collonizers.

    • @oluwajobabukola1508
      @oluwajobabukola1508 4 месяца назад +11

      May God Open your eyes. Peace. ❤

    • @lightednguided
      @lightednguided 4 месяца назад +36

      @@oluwajobabukola1508may he open yours lol

    • @lightednguided
      @lightednguided 4 месяца назад +37

      Exactly!🙏🏾 Many Christians don’t understand the duality of life and that many truths exist to many people, you cannot project your views onto others and think your belief is the only true belief.

    • @User81981
      @User81981 4 месяца назад +1

      @@lightednguidedah yes we can and we do… the fact you don’t think that’s the case proves that you yourself reject every Monotheistic religion as truth as they all claim there is but one. Moreover there can’t be ‘’many truths’’ when these ‘’truths’’ fundamentally contradict each other, it makes no sense

    • @romanrevenge58
      @romanrevenge58 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@User81981 Christianity is bullshit and fairytales GROW UP

  • @raet8081
    @raet8081 2 месяца назад +4

    The loud *BUZZ* at 10:27 while they were screaming at eachother took me out 😂😂

  • @malcilraeure1364
    @malcilraeure1364 29 дней назад +1

    ”But if you refuse to serve the Lord, then choose today whom you will serve. Would you prefer the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates? Or will it be the gods of the Amorites in whose land you now live? But as for me and my family, we will serve the Lord.”
    ‭‭Joshua‬ ‭24‬:‭15‬ ‭NLT‬‬

  • @wickmaani116
    @wickmaani116 4 месяца назад +87

    dude in the black is twin fr, saying everything i would say and at a calm manner, love itt, God Bless Him, Holy Spirit was speaking through Him

    • @itzyoboiliam8921
      @itzyoboiliam8921 4 месяца назад +8

      He said nothing that have sense. Gi

    • @yungaj6166
      @yungaj6166 3 месяца назад +4

      he said a whole lotta nonsense

  • @aaronitems7768
    @aaronitems7768 4 месяца назад +482

    Love the show but we need more learned people that can stay on the point and not get too emotional 😅

    • @lutendonetshikweta1177
      @lutendonetshikweta1177 4 месяца назад +38

      Idk I love the intensity man it’s something we don’t get from Jubillee and it is kind of hilarious to watch

    • @afiamanuwats
      @afiamanuwats 4 месяца назад +21

      Religion is emotional though

    • @rocoustilerocoustile4320
      @rocoustilerocoustile4320 4 месяца назад +24

      @@afiamanuwats Exactly! If you wanna see people losing their minds, and be all over the place, start a debate on religions.

    • @kaleidojess
      @kaleidojess 4 месяца назад +4

      Are emotions too distracting for you ?

    • @kaleidojess
      @kaleidojess 4 месяца назад +2

      ​@@afiamanuwatsNo, not always.

  • @virusx9333
    @virusx9333 2 месяца назад +13

    I have a suggestion....
    You all should do CULTIST VS POLICEMAN

    • @biharcourt
      @biharcourt Месяц назад +1

      😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @biharcourt
      @biharcourt Месяц назад +3

      You know that episode is ending in arrests, right?😂😂

  • @OgochukwuAnunobi
    @OgochukwuAnunobi Месяц назад +3

    The conversation in Cruise be so chaotic but I wouldn’t have it any other way 😂😂😂

  • @Dammi908
    @Dammi908 3 месяца назад +134

    This is deep!
    It’s so sad to watch the Christian’s not having a basic concept of what sacrifice is.. and the traditionalist making valid points to rebut their arguments!! 🤦🏽‍♀️
    This is coming from me as a Christian we have so much to learn and understand how the spiritual realm works

    • @favouragbai5116
      @favouragbai5116 3 месяца назад +2

      We have so much to learnnn

    • @chubbatheBOSS
      @chubbatheBOSS 2 месяца назад +11

      Jesus an innocent person dying on the cross for our sins was an age old sacrifice. Many falsely accused or innocent people die everyday. To say he’s the last one or the only one blah blah is Christian arrogance

    • @fg5137
      @fg5137 2 месяца назад +9

      @@chubbatheBOSSHe was the only person without sin, you can’t say that about people who do bad things but are innocent when they died by others.

    • @maveriiq5307
      @maveriiq5307 2 месяца назад +1

      dem no know anything but na dem dey shout pass😂

    • @toofunnyandlessons6624
      @toofunnyandlessons6624 2 месяца назад +3

      My Christians people lack a very strong point

  • @humanfairy
    @humanfairy 3 месяца назад +104

    Please do a part 2 with different folks. This is a great debate. I’d like us to explore this topic specifically

    • @jointhecruise
      @jointhecruise  3 месяца назад +20

      Ok.
      We'd consider that.
      Thank you for the suggestion.

    • @JustMeandGod_
      @JustMeandGod_ 3 месяца назад +1

      @@jointhecruiseyes do that

    • @knowledgeseeker1528
      @knowledgeseeker1528 3 месяца назад +7

      ​@@jointhecruiseNot just part 2. An entire series. This is gold

  • @isadorahumeres4168
    @isadorahumeres4168 Месяц назад +2

    6:38 If the reasoning for Christianity being the one true religion compared to Islam is that there are references to Christian texts in Islamic scriptures, and that Christianity existed long before Islam, then wouldn’t that make Judaism the actual one true religion since it is the oldest between the three, and all Abrahamic references stem from ideas first mentioned in Jewish texts?

  • @lovelettter2theMostHigh
    @lovelettter2theMostHigh 4 месяца назад +384

    Every christian should check out the book " I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist " by Frank Turek, it's a great tool to help be prepared to defend the faith. Also we gotta make sure we be fasting and praying before entering into conversations like this

    • @Umutoni35
      @Umutoni35 4 месяца назад +27

      🤣🤣🤣🤣pleaseeeeee!!

    • @kiyahh1223
      @kiyahh1223 4 месяца назад +1

      Yes, great book!

    • @nixcutus
      @nixcutus 4 месяца назад +2

      Frank is great teacher I love that guy 😊

    • @chiadi9713
      @chiadi9713 4 месяца назад +26

      I agree 100%. I love my fellow christians but we are doomed if we cant properly and effectively defend our faith without all of the emotions and recycled talking points. We need to take time to individually read the bible for ourselves and fast and pray for understanding without the help of the church.

    • @rubba6818
      @rubba6818 4 месяца назад

      Why cant god just come and tell us ourselves on the news? Why do you have to struggle to defend god. It is almost as if god does not exist@@chiadi9713

  • @harajuka1barbz
    @harajuka1barbz 4 месяца назад +91

    This debate needed a mediator.

    • @jointhecruise
      @jointhecruise  4 месяца назад +6

      Hmmm.
      That wasn't the goal of the show.

    • @derpyjane2524
      @derpyjane2524 2 месяца назад +13

      @@jointhecruise The goal of the video was to hear opposing or similar viewpoints. You cannot do that when everyone is interrupting and speaking over each other. Nor did we get a solid viewpoint from each participant. 4 people got the most discussion in, which isn’t equal to everyone involved or watching.

  • @_nyc_nas
    @_nyc_nas 2 месяца назад +2

    By far the best one I’ve seen so far 😭

  • @brianrasesa
    @brianrasesa 2 месяца назад +2

    17:51 Listen to that! Just listen to that. Amen

  • @Justfranktbh
    @Justfranktbh 4 месяца назад +84

    I loved the guy in red he made great points. He needs a podcast😂

  • @jaesall3519
    @jaesall3519 4 месяца назад +255

    This was great
    I love how my Christian African brothers and sisters are emotionally passionate about the Bible but the problem is we don't do research to support our weak arguments when debating on why Christ is the true representation of the true God. we kinda just say " it's true because the Bible say so" and that's not a great way to convince someone

    • @fey9915
      @fey9915 4 месяца назад

      Stockholm syndrome at its finest

    • @domisdope1743
      @domisdope1743 4 месяца назад +29

      Trust me there’s no other answer anywhere for Christian’s if it’s not in the Bible that’s why they never have answers. They are limited

    • @tyronelorenzovalentio3414
      @tyronelorenzovalentio3414 4 месяца назад

      @@domisdope1743for any religion

    • @slumarko7072
      @slumarko7072 4 месяца назад +2

      Islam is the way brother

    • @domisdope1743
      @domisdope1743 4 месяца назад +4

      Religion is not but understanding nature and loving ourselves is the only way, stop killing animals for food because they are not here for us but here with us. Love each other that’s it

  • @abhishekrai3210
    @abhishekrai3210 3 месяца назад +5

    I am a hindu for India and I agree with most of the points of traditionalist apart from the topic of human sacrifice most of their arguments were very sensible me as a Hindu find so much similarity in their belief

  • @whoamiii4178
    @whoamiii4178 21 день назад

    Strong emotions! love it 👏

  • @otdavid_
    @otdavid_ 4 месяца назад +153

    If the guy in black that is a christian and the igbo guy in the fa right of the screen that wore his attire and was speaking with intelligence created a podcast and took on topics like this I would 100% without a shadow of dought listen to it on a day-to-day basis becuase of how interesting they are and the way the tackle the topics given to them and explain and give valid points on the topic at hand. I would see them making headlines as one of the best podcasts relating to religion inside nigeria and other countries.

    • @adamjag7584
      @adamjag7584 4 месяца назад +9

      absolutely ... being coherent and loud are two completely different things & they showed that!

    • @brotherbenardi
      @brotherbenardi 4 месяца назад +11

      Honestly, even as a Christian the woman on yellow was getting on my nerves with her off point

    • @Justfranktbh
      @Justfranktbh 4 месяца назад +2

      I agree 100%

    • @enlighten5457
      @enlighten5457 2 месяца назад

      I agree with you

  • @otegaedukuye
    @otegaedukuye 3 месяца назад +147

    The Igbo traditionalist is a philosopher! I’m convinced I would enjoy a conversation with him. A true world class guy! He is more knowledgeable than the Christians and had a better world view.

  • @melrama6759
    @melrama6759 Месяц назад

    this is a beautiful video!

  • @transvitatransvita8380
    @transvitatransvita8380 2 месяца назад +3

    In Igbo language
    👇👇👇👇👇👇
    Chi means God
    Chukwu means God
    Chukwu-okike-abiama means God the creator

  • @ashasadique4773
    @ashasadique4773 3 месяца назад +72

    The elephant analogy was soo smart. As long as you believe in what is good and evil, there is no need for competition. lets just love and respect each other.

    • @KD-xu3oe
      @KD-xu3oe 2 месяца назад +1

      The problem with the elephant analogy is that at the end of the day, each man is wrong. They're blind and none of them is right. The analogy also assumes that there is someone beyond the 4th wall who CAN tell its an elephant and the only way the blind men can be enlightened is if that person breaks the 4th wall and tells them through special revelation.
      You also assume the existence of good and evil, but why? Why is respecting each other good? Christianity teaches God has broken the 4th wall and has told us the Truth. He created the world as good and good is that which aligns with His will. Evil entered the world through Man's disobedience and now evil exists as that which is in rebellion against God. Nevertheless, Man was created in God's image and that is why we owe each other respect as fellow humans. But don't be mistaken, friend, telling someone they're wrong and must turn to the Truth of Jesus as savior is not disrespectful, it is love :)

  • @Sandland113
    @Sandland113 4 месяца назад +132

    This whole conversation is the reason why I gave up on religion!

    • @admar6934
      @admar6934 4 месяца назад +28

      You gave up because you love sin period don't make up excuses

    • @valeri3mak
      @valeri3mak 4 месяца назад +17

      you gave up because u let what others say affect your OWN life don't make excuses

    • @Sandland113
      @Sandland113 4 месяца назад +53

      ​@admar6934 I gave up religion is because people believe so many of them till I don't know what to believe.I believe that there is something out there that's greater than all of us but I don't believe in region because religion can destroys people lives & people's well being also most religions are man made!

    • @Sandland113
      @Sandland113 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@valeri3mak I also gave up on religion because people use religion to rob & steal from people!

    • @admar6934
      @admar6934 4 месяца назад

      What exactly are you looking for in a church, many give up on church because they go to church to socialize or find a partner and when they do they leave, I don't practice religion I practice faith and my faith is not on man but Jesus, man didn't rescue me from witchcraft for generations if people like me ok if they don't ok even if those who xall themselves my brothers and sisters don't like me so what Jesus did not call us to make friends or socialize that is not what the church is here for but to give him the glory and only to him if you're looking for your own glory you will be like many others disappointed man pays you wrong and deceit but not Jesus he has never paid anyone wrong or deceived anyone contrary we are ungrateful to him ,disobedient but his love endures for ever his mercies are new everyday ,turn your back on man but not on him who gives you eternal love and life he doesn't leave you when you're in need man does,the world is unhappy because they have turned their backs on the Creator and even though this is He stills calls on them to return to them and he is willing to restore you from whereever you have fallen whatever lie whatever trap the enemy has placed under your feet if there is life there is hope, but stop following man follow Jesus take your cross deny yourself and your desires and I promise you he does not disappoint, the reason why there is so many religious is because man want to follow his feelings and emotions the world system is based on feelings today not rooted in truth and here we are everyone is depressed they have lost their identity in Christ and they just go with the flow , Jesus says I am the way the truth and the light, there is so many religions today but only one true faith my faith isn't in my title I don't define myself by a title I am a follower of Jesus, my faith is in Jesus and in him alone I don't follow the church I don't follow man I follow Jesus and Jesus alone I am jot perfect but he perfections me he can perfection you as well if you truly open up your heart and be honest, man failed you but not Jesus

  • @blacklvrboy7683
    @blacklvrboy7683 Месяц назад

    Great conversation! Loved the traditionalists perspective, I’ve never heard a lot of that before! *feedback, maybe get a moderater to include the opinions some of the quieter folks

  • @vigikels1178
    @vigikels1178 2 месяца назад

    9:15 the zaza! 🤣😂😂 watching while on cloud 9 made that funnier af😭😭

  • @nsovocoretta7251
    @nsovocoretta7251 4 месяца назад +302

    Taiwo represented us Christians well. Boldy, respectfully and with insight. Very wise young man🇿🇦

    • @lexxbrown2075
      @lexxbrown2075 3 месяца назад +30

      Yes, Taiwo represented the information beat into us from our coloniser.. yal begin to sound like parrots 😂

    • @ploymusicandlifestyle5067
      @ploymusicandlifestyle5067 3 месяца назад +1

      Yes 🙌🏻🔥❤️

    • @godschild4332
      @godschild4332 3 месяца назад +12

      @@lexxbrown2075Christianity was in Africa way before it was in Europe. Educate yourself please

    • @TheMsLollidella
      @TheMsLollidella 3 месяца назад +8

      @@lexxbrown2075yikes study history 😅 lots of scripture comes from Africa . Both Africa , Middle East and rome where it started mainly alongside Byzantine area . Its just rome (west) is seen as the lead in the ancient world since the Roman Empire was the rulers at the time

    • @anonymousjazzper1481
      @anonymousjazzper1481 3 месяца назад

      @@lexxbrown2075colonisers?

  • @emekachidube3880
    @emekachidube3880 4 месяца назад +28

    Respect to the man on black. Very articulate and respectful. He seems like he has a lot of wisdom to share.

  • @chelseamensah1732
    @chelseamensah1732 Месяц назад

    This channel is gold

  • @Truthcouncil23
    @Truthcouncil23 2 месяца назад

    How interesting 💚🧿 the extremes really contrast

  • @palmondwokabi5731
    @palmondwokabi5731 4 месяца назад +83

    This is great conversation. The traditionalists came prepared with facts to argue their statements .

    • @favouragbai5116
      @favouragbai5116 3 месяца назад

      Exactly!

    • @lawrencesmith5487
      @lawrencesmith5487 2 месяца назад +2

      Trust me, they were not prepared. Unlike the Bible, Tradition is passed on from Father to Son. I learned from my father, and he learned from his father. You don't need to prepare to answer a simple "What is your name question". You don't necessarily need to prepare to answer your beliefs. They are all above 25, so if they don't have an understanding of who they are for over 25 years, then what life have they been living? If both parties are to prepare, then we need a series and not just an hour video

    • @nompumelolo
      @nompumelolo 2 месяца назад

      shouting and speaking in circles is making a point?

    • @wiltuhoward8164
      @wiltuhoward8164 2 месяца назад

      True

  • @timilehinmarcus8584
    @timilehinmarcus8584 4 месяца назад +156

    Nigerians need to learn to argue intelligently and allow other people’s opinions to be voiced as well. Taiwo (Christian) spoke well with facts as well as the guy in black attire from the traditionalist point of view. A moderator is needed and I think it will be best for us to have a point of view with “Christains and Muslims vs African traditionalist.”

    • @jointhecruise
      @jointhecruise  4 месяца назад +3

      That's a very valid suggestion.
      Thank you for sharing 💪🏽❤

    • @justchilling704
      @justchilling704 4 месяца назад +14

      Why Christians and Muslims they have fundamentally different world views aside from them agreeing that there is a God.

    • @timilehinmarcus8584
      @timilehinmarcus8584 4 месяца назад

      @@jointhecruise A big shout out to you guys the organizers of this platform. This platform is entertaining and educative

    • @rachela.5981
      @rachela.5981 4 месяца назад

      @@justchilling704 We, Christian’s and the Islams don’t worship the same God. They claim they recognize Jesus as a prophet. That’s BS. They don’t even like Him and view Christianity as wrong anyways. V hypocritical if you ask me. Nothing makes sense about Islam, imo.

    • @indigoblue2239
      @indigoblue2239 4 месяца назад +4

      @@rachela.5981I’m Christian but your confusion is caused by a lack of knowledge. Their lineage derives from Ishmael, however, aspects of the Bible they claim have been falsified in some way through time.

  • @wameofficial_
    @wameofficial_ 2 месяца назад +4

    13:22 😂😂😂as for "thats my confusion"" his reaction is wholesome

  • @lady_percy
    @lady_percy 3 месяца назад +1

    This is a very interesting topic. I think there should be more episodes on this religion thing....