Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?
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00:00 Intro
00:52 We all worship the same God irrespective of our religion
14:30 I believe the other side is going to hell
24:40 Islam is a religion of peace
36:25 I will support if my child chooses to practice the other religion
42:13 Love for my neighbour is more important than my religion
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These Christians aren't well grounded, I lost it when they said we serve the same God
We don’t and many people don’t know that. Muslims are serving the enemy S A T A N with he’s 99 names one being the deceiver.
Gbam 💯💯💯
I was like 5mins in only one Christian left
Then you don’t understand their bias. The point is there is only 1 entity that’s responsible for the creation of this universe and everything in it.
The way we serve “Him” or reference that entity is the concept of religion.
If we have different entities that created the earth we would have more than 1 earth.
That’s what they mean by we serve the same God.
It’s like looking at an Elephant from only the front you can see only the head, if you look at it from the back you can only see the tail. That doesn’t make the Elephant a donkey. I hope you understand now.
@@dammieoflagos280 They do not serve the same God bro. The Allah in the Quran contradicts God in the Bible.
I have a feeling this video is going to be pointless. It's like asking people to debate why they think spicy food is better than sweet food. At the end of the day, the only answer you will get is trust me bro
You’re right
No mate!
Pointless ... argument
@@bbg_oreoluwayes
@stamzthehuman897 thats a faulty comparison. at the end of the day its not pointless maybe to you, some learn a lot from this small video.
It breaks my heart that many Christians cannot defend the faith. Many Christians do not even understand the gospel and when we come out, it now looks we don’t know what we are saying.
This should be a wake up call to every believer. Study the word and rightly divide the Word of truth!!! Not just for yourself but to be able to teach others too.
How can you separate Jesus from the creator? Oh please 😭😭
That's why the West is failing because we have forgotten ourove for God and He's precious son Jesus if many Christians were devoted as Judaism and Isalm followers the West wouldn't be crumbling we must humble ourselves and go back to Jesus
It should not break your heart when the essence of your faith was never fully authorised around the 3rd or 4th century. I don't think christians or jews even worship the same God.
@@garawa1987 Do know what the infant mortality rate when things were more "christian'?
@@arthurmorgan4942 Islam is just dangerous bootleg christianity. Christianity is just bootleg Judaisim. Judaisim is just a knock off ancient polytheistic Isrealitic religion wearing a dress pretending to be monotheistic.
@@arthurmorgan4942 😂 you act as if God shook when man "seemed it right" for faith to be authorized (by man), according to you and your source(s) in the 3rd or 4th century. 😂 God laughs at those who think by history and intellect alone they have a defense in who He is and the work he does through, for and with His people, can be reasoned through human understanding. From the beginning of time (that means prior to the 3rd and 4th century) He was, IS and forever will be, God. He is "Faith". No one can authorize Him. The nerve of humans.
We do not worship same God!
Thank you, Esther🎉
That's right. Allah is not God, because we all know that the Jews were God's chosen people. There was no Muslim before Mohammed created that religion, he mixed Christian stories with pagan rituals.
@ariamason9324 but the christains worship Jesus and jews do not worship Jesus so you can be worshipping the same God as jews
@@sholay706 The Jews are just yet to leave their delusional idea that Christ isn't the promised Messiah.
The Jews believe in the same God as the Christians. But the problem is they're still living the old convenant, regarding holy Abraham and Moses and they do not believe in Christ as the Messiah. So their worship isn't full, because it is he that believes in CHRIST JESUS that shall not perish, so says the Holy Bible.
Whereas, Muslims story is a whole different ball game. They acknowledge Christ as only a prophet, no saviour, no redemption, no death no resurrection and Mohamed to them is a greater personality than Christ Himself. Great error
@@sholay706 The Jews worship same God as the Christians, but imperfectly. Why? Because they are yet to leave the delusional idea that Christ Jesus isn't the promised Messiah, they still cling to the old convenant, regarding holy Abraham and Moses(which were people of God).
It is he who believes in CHRIST JESUS (not anyone else) that'll not perish. God perfects His convenant with man by the coming of Christ. So what is the point of you adoring the Father when you still keep malice with the Son?
Moreover, Muslims don't acknowledge they'd be a Messaiah in the first place, there would be a death, a redemption, a resurrection, they prioritize their Mohammed over the Christ whom they regard as only "one of those prophets", no blessed Trinity, nothing... Our God is not a God of confusion.
If you don't believe in the son and all he suffered for us, then you're in error.
Just as Jehovah's witnesses aren't fully Christians as they may seem, because they do not believe in the Blessed Trinity. Error. Lemme not even go there...😌
@annabelenu1964 lol the jews dont worship Jesus. Christian worship a man Jesus who died. The God of the jews and Muslims does not die and he is everliving. Go ask a Rabbi if you worship the same God and he would say no
Do Christian converts vs Muslim reverts , I feel the discussion would be more rounded as both have seen both sides of the coin And give thier perspective in the practice of both religions
don't disrespect the father and say allah is the father Allah is the evil villain not the father
That's very correct or have people that are grounded in the others's literatures and let them speak from positions of knowledge and not feelings.
Yes i was christian and I converted to Islam.
@@vylc1611 Yes i was Muslim and I converted to christian.
@@vylc1611 what does it mean to be Christian?
What inspired you to leave the Christian faith?
Please bring more educated theologians when you want to touch on a matter as sensitive as religion
Yes, please. I respect the topic but we need educated theologians.
Seconded!
It a sensitive topic because when you disrespect their religon by just believing in another religion well...things get violent.
Well,it is good to know what the average person thinks.
Educated theologians have states that Abrahamic religion are not based on factual occurrence( the exodus& Moses had nothing to do with the Egypt and there’s no collection of him in history.) These religions have proven to be untrue in its factual depiction. No one wants listen to arguement of hear-say when there is factual evidence represented.
I'm a Christian and do not believe we serve the God; but the Christians saying they believe we are serving the same God with Muslims while saying they would go to hell in this is contradicting, cause if they claim are serving the same God why will they go to hell.
Christians believe Jesus is the way to the father.. Muslims don't, that is why Christians say they will go to hell.
The reason why Christians and Muslims are said to worship the same God is because they believe in the God of "Abraham".
God bless you we're not serving the same God at all
We are serving God. Causes allah means God and not any other God these people don’t even know about Christianity and Islamic religion they just speaking out of their nigerian knowledge 😂
@@ololadesuberu4341 Well they don't know that their religions is just the scam version of Jewdaism
which is also a scam version the ancient Israelite pagan religions of El or Elohim. Elohim being "father of the gods". Its even in the name of Isra*el*.
Each Christian has their own idea of what is true. Thats by necessity, there is no objective way to determine who is right or wrong in matters of faith. Anyone can find their reasoning to be correct, and there is no objective way to mediate that.
Arguing which religion is correct is like arguing which Harry Potter is the best book.
I also disagree with us worshipping the same God. That's not possible.
Gbammm
It is possible the we worship the same God. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all Abrahamic religions. Meaning we worship the God of Abraham. Where there are discrepancies with how we worship and understand that God. Its a fact that the God of these three religions is the God of Abraham and therefore the same God.
Exactly! Because the Allah in the Quran contradicts the character God in the Bible.
@@realtalkwithphil Yeahhh, cuz in Islam God (Allah) is specifically highlighted in the concept of Islamic monotheism (meaning Oneness, none other than One True God), and in Christianity, there's the Trinity (meaning three characters in One God, wherein the Son, according to the Christians becomes the Father, that's why some say "Jesus is God"). So if we put this on a theological scale, there's actually no comparison, cuz one is Trinity (literally meaning three) and one is Monotheism (literally meaning one). Definitely, not the same God being worshipped in both religions. And if we even want to say that two religions believe and worship the same God, I'd honestly rather say that's Islam and Judaism, not Christianity. (As per Abrahamic religions naw)
@@azeezatazeezzzYes,we are not worshipping the same God…The God we know as Jews and Christians is a father…but Mohammed comes 600 years later with his religion that says Allah is a father to no one,and you can only come to him as a slave,meaning the highest form of relationship you can have with him is that of master and slave which contradicts with the God of the Torah and gospels…This alone makes Islam not an Abrahamic faith
Esther nailed it by proving we don't serve the same god. The Christian GOD is triune in nature, hence we acknowledge the divinity and LORDship of CHRIST (PHILIPPIANS 2:9-11).
Jews think Christianity is paganism for a reason
Notice how you have to quote PAUL to justify it lol.
@@renee3308 I can give you many verses stating Jesus is God, amd that he was from the very beginning
@@kantui100 nope you’ll give me many verses where your church has manipulated the meaning and convinced you to believe it’s related to Jesus stating he’s god.
@@kantui100 at the end of the day, most Christians didn’t believe Jesus was god before all of the Roman councils hundreds of years after his departure from earth. Council of nicea included. You allowed a Roman government…who was persecuting Christians beforehand…decide what your beliefs were gonna be lol.
“I want to see you on that day, that you made it” the attitude we all should have towards each other. May God have mercy on us all❤
nah he's very narcissistic
All of these people except the young Christian fellow are very biased toward their faith…. But pastor rock almost made me cry when he said that because those words indicate that he actually believes that the Muslim man can still make it
This is my problem with religion. Everyone thinks their own is the best.
Like bro wtf is wrong with us
This!!!!!!....
Don’t bash anyone. It’s either both of them are wrong, or one of them is correct and the other is wrong.
A religious person could say the problem to atheists they also think they are right
Christianity Is the one true religion, end of story.
As a Muslim, these conversations are so draining. Let's all just have our beliefs and have respect for one another. If there are those that want to change their religion then that's fine. This is the only way i see us moving forward and that's respect.
You guys clearly brought ill prepared people to discuss such delicate topic! Religion is more theological than street discourse!! How many of them have read and properly understood both books of each religion?
Facts!
True for me the Christians you bought are not given
@@favourotusanyaWhat do you mean??????... ...
by the looks of it none of them
I wish the Christians in this episode did a more rounded research.
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They can't do a rounded research because Christianity itself is not firm😂
What other rounded research apart from an understanding of the bible
Dey play, u think its only in this episode 😂 try go on any other comparative discussions abt Muslims and Christians it's all the same result
@@hassanabdulmalikodunayo2701exactly too many beliefs under one religion
At the end of the day, most of you all are practising your parent's religion. You would have been on the other side of the conversation simply by virtue of who gave birth to you.
I'm born as christian and now i'm muslim. Nothing to do with my parents.
@@vylc1611 it actually does in a way, your parents introduced to religion as a whole, later you feel like you have to be in a another religion for whatever reason you switched, there is a reason why you didn't completely ditched religion entirely. You feel like you need religion of some sort which was initially introduced to you by your parent
Yep both religion have the same source , they are just different sects . however both are made up religions .
@@Mkhl4Sure dawg u cant tell her how she felt💀 only she knows best stop tryna explain her life story without knwoing a single thing about maybe she left not because of that reason but jst because she reasearched islam and felt more comfornt in it
Notice how only the christians said the other side is going to hell.
Notice how the Muslims also said the same thing
The other side actually did. They didn't just say it directly because apparently, it's not in the right to. But the Muslim cleric mentioned a person can only go to paradise if he dies in Islam. And the Muslim lady said she had made heaven because she is Muslim. So...las, las, both side believe the other side is going to hell. I didn't just like what the Christian brothers did, using one mouth to say "we're serving the same God" and the other mouth to say "but y'all on the other side gon burn in hell!"
Because it is the truth. Jesus is the Truth, the Life, and the Way.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth.
The Muslims has no conviction and no truth to stand ten toes down.
Notice Surah 9:5 buddy …..
@@KingofgraceSARA💯❤️✝️
VIDEO SUMMARY:
A: My book is the correct one.
B: Prove it.
A: My book told me so.
B: Lies. My book told me mine is correct.
Circlar reasoning💀
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Exactly
Dumbest shît ever
Study the evidence bro. The problem Jubilee makes is the same problem CRUISE is making here. These people with an exception of the Muslim cleric are not qualified to be conversing about complex matters such as this.
Skilled apologists n polemicists should be included in the panel, else no one will actually learn anything.
@@eselevi6132Which evidence Abeg? 😂😂😂
Religion can be a sensitive and personal topic, and debating it can be complex and potentially divisive. While discussing and exploring different beliefs and perspectives can be valuable, it's essential to approach these conversations with respect, empathy, and open-mindedness.
Debating religion can be beneficial when:
1. Done respectfully, without aiming to "win" or "convert" others.
2. Focusing on understanding different perspectives and beliefs.
3. Exploring the historical, cultural, and social contexts of religions.
However, debates can be harmful when they:
1. Involve proselytizing or trying to convince others of a single "truth."
2. Disrespect or mock others' beliefs.
3. Overlook the personal and emotional connections people have with their faith.
Remember, everyone has the right to their beliefs, and respectful dialogue can foster greater understanding and empathy.
Well said ❤
Chat GPT comment🤣
Everyone knows u used chat gpt kid 😂😂😂
The young Christian man was contradicting himself. Jesus IS God. In Isa 9:6, Jesus was called the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father. The name of God is Jesus!!!
If you don’t serve Jesus, you don’t serve my God
I love that the Muslims stood their ground on that
To be a Christian means you are a follower of Christ. And to be a follower of Christ means that you have to worship the same God that Christ worshipped. Which is the Father, Jehovah (Yahweh ((YHWH)) ).
"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." John 20:17 . That scripture perfectly and explicitly states Jesus own words as to the relationship between us as humans and himself and us and humans, himself and the Father..... Our Father is also his Father and our God is also His God.... Any scripture in the Bible that is used to say that Jesus Christ is God is taken out of context....
Now let me explain Isaiah 9 and verse 6. Yes, Jesus Christ is the Mighty God and our Everlasting Father. He is Mighty God in the context of Co - Creator, when the Father said unto him, Let us make man in our image. Genesis 1:26 ... He was directly associated with our creation. So he is our God in that context. Just as when my earthly father says to me, come Jeremai, let us build an aquarium, and we both build that aquarium together. However, I can only build as my father instructs me, 4. It is not my will, but his. So yes, I am a creator of the aquarium, but I am not the creator because all of the knowledge and instruction that I use to make the aquarium comes from my father. And yes, Jesus Christ is our everlasting Father. He bought us from this the curse of sin that our first human Father, Adam, sold us into.
Also, just because the Bible refers to him as father does not mean that he is THE FATHER. John Burke is my father and Reginald Burke is his father, my grand father. Both John and Reginald are my father's Because It is because of them both that I have life. But they are not equal. Both John and myself are children of Reginald. Both Jesus and ourselves are children of Jehovah. All scriptures point to this explicit fact. Any other scripture used to dispute this fact is taken out of context.
@jeremai1769 what's your denomination?
@@kage199x Dont have one
"Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" 1 Cor 1:10--13
My conviction and my knowledge, should only be based on what is written, not what a particular denomination or a particular faith believes.
I use the most explicit scriptures in regards to a particular topic to dictate the context so that the less explicit scriptures will fall in line harmoniously.
@@kage199x Dont have one... Why do you ask?
@jeremai1769 was just wondering because I never seen a non-trinitarian believe in the pre-excistence of Christ before
Both parties aren’t well equipped or informed on what they’re defending. They are plenty of lies told in this video, and no one to point it out.
The most important comment
As a Muslim, I can testify what the Muslims said in the video are not lies. All their points regarding the concept of God (Allah), prophets, heaven and hell align with the basic Islamic theology mentioned in the Quran. In contrast, many Christians themselves disagree with the Christians in the video because the core concept of Christianity which is the trinity was never mentioned concisely in the Bible. Hence, many Christians started to make up their own believe regarding the religion based on their own common sense.
Someone once said " a woman defending Islam it's like a chicken 🐔 defending KFC🍗."
@@jaesall3519 why, just because they have to cover their hair??? the rights for women are great in number. one of them is they can demand ANYTHING in any amount before marriage. They were the first women who were allowed to own property. I could go on.
Sis ate him up with that water analogy!! Replayed it twice cause I'm definitely using that. These Christians are really good at explaining the belief system thats for sure!
The water analogy is actually heretical. God's triune nature is unlike anything in this realm. Nonetheless, I understand what she was trying to do.
it’s the worst thing i’ve heard in my life 😂 after the photo reflection thing
@@pastorpelu you are so extra, of course God is not like water, but it was an ANALOGY, stop being extra, it was a good way to help people understand
We still do not understand with water analogy cuz you can't have ice at the same time when water is in Liquid form... Water in the liquid form has to cease being liquid before it can form ice but Father son and Holy Spirit exists without any of them ceased before other can exist, so it doesn't add up. Even doctors in divinity found it so difficult so explain the concept of Trinity that will go inline with normal sense...the only thing they will end up it is is a mystery you cannot understand.
A sane person can never understand Trinity unless you change to the state of insanity.
God is made of atoms? 😂😂😂 please dont equate god to matter
That water analogy was actually Genius😂😂
It's actually not. That analogy is an example of modalism. Modalism is a Christian heresy.
It differs in density, volume...
Christians really need to come up with better explanations
I honestly saw a pastor comparing the Trinity with the three headed dog from the Roman(idk if you know)
I was like what the heck?!!
It’s heresy.
That is just doing false paralels how can anything earthly be like god. Everything on this earth is temporary and will eventually pass on but god is eternal
@@egoquid8848 They're not trying claim that's how God is exactly.
This Esther lady impressed. Am speaking as a Christian who studies both Christianity and Islam...
I felt Aminat when she said, “With the number of handsome Habibi, all those handsome Islamic guys, it can not work, I will never” 😂😅 Okayyyyy 🥰🫶🏽 Mashallah 🥰
sarcasm??
The one that mentions that the quran talks about Jesus "isa" but the Bible doesn't mention muhammad... He was born almost 500 years after the last book of the Bible was written. Why would the Bible mention someone who hadn't been born yet?
Better question
Why does the Quran mention the bible, but the Quran is from it?
The Muslims will never admit this..they just say oh the Bible is corrupted. But most of them.have never even held a Bible..also many Muslims are illiterate so how do they know what any religious book says. Do you think most Muslim women in Afghanistan can read the Quran.
@@dorcaso1619I’ll ask you a better question, why does the Bible mention the Torah, but the Torah came before the Bible?
Isn't this the same way that the torah doesn't mention Jesus. A lot of the prophecies attributed to Jesus are somehow ommitted from the Torah?
@@ayomideolajide3472
You do know, the Old Testament, of the Bible, is the Torah 🤔?
As an African this discussion scared me (Both sides). All I can say is one thing when we take any religion we all really follow through with it. I just wish we put this energy in other areas of life or atleast some energy.....
I love the muslim representatives.They really did justice based on their capabilities
No they are stupid
The uncles first senetence was wrong. He incorrectly translated the kalimah
I believe that individuals tend to adhere to the religion they were raised in, whether it's Islam, Christianity, or any other faith, because it's passed down from their parents and ingrained in their upbringing. Therefore, instead of engaging in religious arguments, I advocate for being a good person regardless of religious affiliation. Our environment shapes our beliefs, so let's choose to live a righteous life regardless of the specific religion we follow. The important thing for me is be a better person and enjoy life......
12:50 that question of "why is Prophet Muhammad not mentioned in the Bible" just proved an assumption I have of some Muslims in Africa. They all think Christianity and Islam are like twins. Originated at the same time but along the line, Christians got crazy and started worshipping Jesus as God. But if they'd do research, they'd realize that's not the case. Islam came 600 at least years after Christianity. No one would mention Prophet Muhammad in the Bible because he didn't exist yet. However, they did warn us against prophets like him who would later rise to teach that Jesus is not God
Exactly. I'm surprised the cleric didn't know this. The Bible was written long before Mohammed came about.
You know there is no mention of the prophecies of Jesus in the Torah/Talmud. That is why Jews don't believe in Jesus because he was never originally mentioned/referenced in Judaism until 1000s of years later
Facts!
Do you think the books of Mosses, Jacob and Isaac and Jesus is what you have today, ask yourself this question. How can a word of good have version and volume. Are you kidding me
Not to mention that one of the oldest bibles actually has the same story as the one in the quran that Jesus didn't get crucified.
And even the name of the God Allah is the same in both relegions.
Jesus in his original language aramaic called god Allah elah.
It is offensive to call my Lord and Savior a prophet. 🙏🏾
I'm here waiting for the theists VS atheists episode. These ones are just moving around in circles. My own is correct. No, it's my own that's correct. I gained nothing here.
it can't really go beyond that, though. what more did you expect?
@@bluebellbeatnik4945 ergo, pointless. It’s a pointless argument that has no end.
their faith revolves around their own religious texts. what did you expect?
It can if they actually knew their history
@@kendrickcrain983 good point
Pastor rock here brings such a good point about why it’s so important to believe in Jesus according to scripture ❤ 19:40
im really ashamed of my christain brothers for saying the muslims are going to hell, but also the reason mohammed is not in the bible is because he didnt exist in the bible days, he was born 500+ years after the death of christ.
For the Christians, is what they said in their book? Was it factual?
jesus was prophisiezed in the old testemant
But it's the truth.. Who do not expect Jesus is going to hell..
Finish and kla
But its the truth, its said in bible. whosoever does not believe in Jesus christ the son shall perish and muslims do not believe Jesus christ is the God
Why are you ashamed? can someone who rejects Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour go to heaven?
The way we can easily see the faults in others religion, but quickly overlook ours , should tell you something 😅
Christians never defend their religion when it is attacked because it is so faulty and contradicionary, they just attack others to distract
I wish I could join this convo virtually
Same
My brother. I am a Christian please we are not servicing the same God. May God bless this my sister for the analysis she gave the Muslims🙏 ❤
Thx 😊 for subtitles
why? you don't need them.
@@bluebellbeatnik4945 my mother language is not English I barely understand when our Nigerian brothers speak so I need subtitles 😊
we are not worshiping the same God. They don’t even acknowledge Jesus as the son of God, how exactly are we worshiping the same God? you guys did not choose the best christian’s to represent.
I notice a trend with people who are anti Christian and they find it as a way to be edgy, which is honestly pathetic. 🙄
If they belief they worship Allah then we do worship same God but if they say they worship Jesus a messenger of Allah then we don’t worship same God
Allah is not the father tho….so not the real God
@@Ytulipss Allah is the creator. Jesus spoke Aramaic, do you know how to say God in Aramaic? ALLAHA.
@@sammy-er7onWhich means God and it’s very generic. Anyone who speaks Arabic or Aramic can say Allah and believe in a different God. Is God’s name in the Hebrew scriptures spelled out the the Quran?
Lmao, the caption already has a premise of Christianity being the Supreme faith. But I'll watch to the end cause i love you guys!!!!!!
Thank you 🤗🤗, the question asked in the title of the video was actually coin from what the Christians said in the video 🙏🏾🙏🏾
@@jointhecruise please bring me on this show, next time tou want to have auch debate. I beg of you🙂
@@YusufBayo fill up the link the the description of this vy
@@jointhecruise done.
Pastor Jesus is proud of you. Pastor had me laughing hard when he said it's like he will cry saying this truth funny as it sounds if is the truth . Lord have mercy and save the lost souls❤
Pastor Rock nailed it with the story of Cornelius.
19:02 I love the way this dude put it
Muslims, we are not 1, we do not claim you please don’t force us.
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We are not 1 your right. Muslims are Monotheist and Christians are Polytheists who worships 3 Gods 😂
pastor rock was spittin🔥🔥
spittin poop
I wish I could be in their next program… pls who can link me up with this
As a muslim I respect esther for the way she formats her speach its like she actually studied and is educated unlike pastor rock which just spits out stuff without knowledge.
For those who think Islam is a religion of peace;
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled”. - Qur’an 9:29
Lol, taking the verse out of context and not knowing why and when it was revealed.
You can’t just read it and understand it, you need to study the exegesis bro, do your homework before you talk.
@@mytuts_Okay Bro, go ahead and briefly explain the context. I was expecting this comment because I wanted to provoke a dialogue. 😂.
So, you’re welcome, let’s talk 😊
@@mytuts_ O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.
9:123
@@mytuts_ O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.
Let’s not forget ahadith.
Sahih Muslim 1:30
@@realtalkwithphil uhm bro, please read through the verse before and after all these verses you're cherry picking. That's the best way to really understand. If we're just provoking arguments, that means there was never any understanding intended in the first instance.
The Christian men speak a lot of English without actually saying anything. The woman in green might be an exception though.
Surah 9.29 in the Qur'an
Fight against those who do not believe in Allāh or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allāh and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth [i.e., Islām] from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah1 willingly while they are humbled.
The Steve Jobs guy just dey burst my head 😂
Do foreign based Nigerians vs Nigeria based Nigerians
Has Pastor Rock heard about the crusades? The Salem trials?
The crusades were in response to the violence against the Jews and Christian’s by the muslims at the time. The crusades didn’t just fall out of thin air. If you are attacking me, I will definitely defend my self, that was simply what the crusades were about.
The quran teaches to kill the infidel. New testament scripture doesn't teach it.
“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
John 3:17 KJV
One major problem here is question comprehension,emotional responses bereft of theological basis,quoting text out of context and more evangelism than factual argument. Circular reasoning being at the base of the arguments.
Why on earth do we have 2 Muslims and 3 Christians. Are you telling me there's no Muslim in earth ready to have this conversation.
If you paid attention at the beginning. They wrote that the last Muslim speaking didn't make it or show up
@@gloriousilashe8150 let babies don't listen and cry
let babies don't listen and cry
Also this was shared with me today by my good friend Yahuda and I think it’s applicable this situation.
As Christian’s we must aim to embody these scriptures
2 Timothy 2:24-26
English Standard Version
24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,
25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,
26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.
Even if we disagree we still love our neighbour because we are all made in the image of God.
The God of the Bible and the God of the Quran are referring to the same Person. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the same God that the Jews, Christians, and Muslims claim to worship. However, just because you claim to worship The same God doesn't mean that's how that God wishes to be worshipped. After the Israelites crossed the Red Sea, they made a golden calf, and just after they made it, Aaron said that it was a festival to Yahweh. (YHWH) (The Aramaic Personal name for God) In their minds they were worshipping their God. However, they were just not worshipping him the way that he wants to be worshipped. And that sums up the major reason for division in religion. People tend to worship God how they want to worship him instead of how he wants to be worshipped.
The aramaic name of God is elah/Allaha.
Jesus according to the Bible used to pray the exact way prophet Muhammed prayed.
The oldest Bible isn't even written in its original language.
Som of the oldest bibles claim jesus wasn't crucified.
Bible was written without the existence of Jesus at that time unlike the quran wich was "publicly" for everyone to write and hear and see and also by "the prophet" who sent it.
I can't say I have that much knowledge but knowing the most schoolars agree that the bible was changed and you can find 3000 verses that was added or removed wich explains the numbers of the verses.
It just makes me not lean towards Christianity.
@@omgman928 Elah is the Aramaic word for God just as Allah is the Arabic word for God. not his personal name . God is just a title, not a name.
"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." Exodus 6:3 KJV ....
Jehovah in English Yahweh in Hebrew Yahuh and/or Yahwah (يَهْوَه) in Arabic.
I can definitely understand your apprehension with regards to choosing belief system based on the claims of corruption of the scriptures, especially with so many different translations of the Bible.
What I will encourage you to do is read both the Quran and the Bible. I personally find the Bible more specific and explicit in identifying and answering more important questions of existence. What you will have to do is to search and research on your own all while honestly and wholeheartedly asking the Father for guidance with constant prayer and supplication.
@@omgman928I hope you realize what you have today isn’t the original Quran and Uthman burnt the first Quran after the death of Muhammad. Most Muslims are bn brainwashed into believing same thing about Christianity by reading the footnotes and thus making them not able to think outside the box. Read the Bible and Quran (without footnotes) for yourself and ask questions then you will see the truth
When you boil water, can you get ice from it?
An example of the Holy Trinity is water. When you boil water to a certain degree, you get steam. Similarly, when you freeze water at a certain temperature, you get ice.
So, water can take many forms, e.g., liquid, steam, and ice.
How would a Christian in the 21st century with the availability of the internet today not know Islam and Christianity are world apart & also do not worship the same God?!
Please Christians & Muslims look up Sam Shamoun.
Period. I listen to God Logic too!
13:01 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ I know that Christians may be cocky but these Muslims don't know the history of their religion. Muhammad was born 600 years after Jesus died. The later part of the new testament was written by people who died not more than 100 years after Jesus did (all were killed young except John and I doubt he lived that long). Muhammad was born 6 centuries later, we aren't the ones deceived on this issue. They shouldn't be salty about it. Nobody is angry that their prophet isn't in the Torah because we all know that it precedes the New testament and the Quran. This can be cleared up with a simple Google search.
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Exactly. They say the Bible is corrupted. How can a book that came 500 years after be more authentic than the 1st book compiled by the eye wittinesses themselves? 😂
@realtalkwithphil both of your logic is very stupid, hinduism is the first known religion so according to your logic christianity is false and hinduism is true, the Bible is definitely fabricated hence why we don't have it written in the original language, even like 9:56 is different in KJV and NIV because one of the versions fabricated the verse .
@@realtalkwithphilFacts!
Muslims and Jews worship only one god! That’s why we can pray in each other spaces, also we both do not eat pork. Mohammed pbuh , is in the torah book, as Mohammed’im. Jewish people reject prophet Jesus pbuh and prophet Mohamed pbuh. That is were are spilt entirely.
The thing we both agree on is that Christians are worshiping Jesus a man who walked on earth. Three in one.
Just wanted to share a little so we can all learn from each other. Salam
@@Wonder_world48Half True, half lies. Your prophet is not at all in the bible no where. No matter how much pervert text it's not there. & they wouldn't allow Christians to pray in a mosque, that a lie, and I wouldn't advocate for it at all. We don't worship the same God. & you don't understand the Christian faith like most Muslims. Christianity operates & functions differently unlike any religion in the world and it could be backed up with evidence unlike Islam and the rest of the belief systems.
I have a question, Uthman danfodio did what, and he fought wars to conquer states for islam, those who refuse to become islamic state
the way the Christians ignored the Nicean Creed is worrying, that is the most concrete argument for the Holy Trinity.
They all contradicted themselves but, also spoke with conviction on some of the prompts.
The end of the matter is that Truth is one; it doesn’t matter what the whole world thinks, truth remains unchanged. So find out what Truth is and hold on to it.
For me, it is that truth that only Jesus can save me from the anger of God that will be poured out on those who will be in hell.
Permit me to say that You’re not wrong, yes Jesus saves but why do we (Christians) emphasize the condemnation part of salvation and tend to ignore the love story that it is.
This might shake up a lot of people, but heaven is not the ‘goal’. Heaven is simply the result of salvation! The goal is to be made whole and right with God, simply because we have put our faith in Him. We have moved from separation from God because of sin, to being his sons (and daughters) because of grace and faith.
Let’s stop emphasizing fire and brimstone.
We should rejoice because we are made right with God and should want other people to be made right with Him too.
@@murna425 Thank you for your comment but I disagree with your opinion, on the basis that it is half truths.
I haven’t said anything that the Bible doesn’t emphasize, the Bible emphasizes;
1. That Jesus is the TRUTH, John 14:6
2. THERE WILL BE FIRE AND BRIMSTONE and SULPHUR. I urge you to read 2Thessalonians 1:6-10 and also the entire book of revelation.
Another point I’d love to make clear is this, the opposite of condemnation is not Love, the opposite of being condemned is being free from the charge, it is justification. A person who can understand this can then understand that God loves them.
I rejoice greatly about my salvation, I go further to ask myself, salvation from what? The answer to this question which is;
-Sin, the punishment of sin, and in the future I will be saved from the presence of sin, it is what makes me want to tell people about Jesus.
This video was pointles because the people in the video don’t know each others religion history 😤
Aminat ❤ is so funny “Dey play “ 😂 .I love the way she defends Islam 😊
Very simple question to be answered with a question. Do the Jews and Muslims worship the same entity which in English language translates to God from either perspective?
don't disrespect the father and say allah is the father Allah is the evil villain not the father
haha, the father in bibles in arabic countries like Jordan is called Allah you absolute melt.
Alhamdulilahi rubil alamin I thank God almighty for been a Muslim... I appreciate our brother and sister they did their best and well done to them... The only thing that they did not do is to ask for proof and evidence not from the Quran but the Bible
Mashallah I’m actually so happy seeing another Muslim in the comments among all those Christians saying that their religion is perfect 😊
Allhamdulillah brother Maybe it's cause Us Muslims don't got time to waste commenting like unemployed warrior's
@@melkhanya 😂
But when we start asking the Quran for historical proof it’s just claims at this point. Where is the historical proof of the Quran related to Jesus ?
@@beatforjesusbykellym2104 Uh You do realise that the Gospels themselves are aunothenthic scriptures from untrusted Authors that existed decades if not Hundreds of years after Isho/Issa's time with no Scriptures or Manuscripts written in Aramaic but kione Greek. Bedsides The Quran already Telling about Jesus and the Gospels not being authentic There's literally been Discoverys in the middle east and North Africa Discovered by the sayings of the Prophet SWT to this very timeline and his own back in 640 A.D where mentions Muslims were hears in Egypt by Sinai Bediouns 8 years after The Prophet Returned to Allah unlike the claimed 4 decades after Jesus SWT passing by some random man who had a different philosophical viewing of Christ than his own Followers.
Now tell Me why would I trust A book with False timelines secret Authors and Being Debunked by it's own scholars that had to look back at Muslims on Jesus's name and possibilities than
The Greatest Miracle of All to Hummanity the Qur'an
Repent to Truth before Damnation arrives I say I wish not for you to be in great Torment and suffering Ma'am
They’re not ready to listen to eachother.. they both have narrow knowledge of each others teachings & books.. but broad knowledge of their own. They were not ready to understand eachother but ready to argue with each other (which is fine) but when you’re not willing to understand eachother it’s impossible to get a middle ground. It’s purely because they think they’re 100% right. Which I understand.
honestly, I would love to have this convo because I believe that some points were true but conveyed distastefully
Religion has shown us Shege Banza Uku in this Africa…
Every race has their own God except Africans
Indians - Hindus
Chinese - Buddhists
Whites - Jews/ Christians
Arabs - Islam
Africa - ???????
I’m proudly Muslim, However I can never ever condemn any other religion as they are all
“MEANS OF COMMUNICATING AND CONNECTING WITH A SUPERIOR BEING ( GOD)” just through different forms and religions..
No one way (religion) is better than the other in the grand scheme of things …
Look at it this way … you want to travel to Lagos, there are soo many ways to get there.. you can go through Enugu, kaduna, or Kwara… because you chose to go through Kwara doesn’t mean that me that chose to go through Kaduna is wrong.. to each their own …. Remain blessed I love you soo much 😘😘
You say every race has their own religion, Indians isn't a race, Chinese isn't a race, Arabs isn't a race, and neither is africa a race. And if you use a metaphorical statement to talk about how this religion is the same thing but a different path is taken, you cannot talk about this certain race not having a realigion. The one true religion is christianity. I don't need to go back and forth with a person who is taken a different instead of the one true route. Plus, islam has like 5 books and like scrolls or something like that. That says one thing in one and says another in another book. And also, doesn't surah 9 verse 29 say that you should fight those that do not believe in isalm? Just saying...
Exactly this!
@@otdavid_I hope you’re the most righteous person o with the way you’re talking abt Christianity
@@otdavid_explain this to me please, How is Jesus God, and was birthed by Mary, A human that was created by God?? You’re saying Mary was created by God and later gave birth to God? Absolutely Ridiculous.
@@otdavid_ I literally don’t get your point…but OK 👍🏾
The lady in the green comparing God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit to water, ice, and air is false. Because the Father doesn’t change to become the Son and neither foes the son change to become the spirit. They are three distinct beings that work well together. They are always in harmony.
You didn't understand her point. She said, water is one substance. You can have water as ice(The father), you can have water as steam(the Holy spirit)and you can have water as liquid(the son), but its is still one water(God). She didn't mean that God the father changes to the son, or He changes to the holy spirit. She just means they are 3 persons in One which is just God.
@@snaymncinah3324 this is false. You would need three distinct things. Water as ice, water as liquid, water as vapor is inferencing that God changes forms. Jesus is God but he is NOT the Father. Ice is water but it’s not liquid. But under the right condition it can be. That is not the case with God. Under no circumstance can the Father be the Son. Because at the end of the day, yes it’s water but it can change its molecular composition to become a different state. God doesn’t change to become a different state. The question to ask is can ice, water, and vapor be in equilibrium? If so, for how long before one state takes over
Unfortunately, the analogy that she used of using water is classed as a heresy. Classed as modalism.
When describing the Trinity, is best to use the theological terms indore to get the point across because any comparison to rule, world, phenomenon is going to lead to one or more heresies.
Three distinct persons, not beings** That aside, I agree that the analogy she used was not it.
@@djidjine5082 you are thinking from a wordly point of view you have to understand the God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit exist outside time space, SCIENCE and the heavens itself. im just going to leave you with lots of love regardless of if you get what i say but i pray that God unhardens your heart and gives you wisdom and discernment to understand what the analogy truly meant.
Pastor God bless you ❤❤❤❤
Why would any Muslim choose to be in this pointless video? Like who cares. We have our religion and they have theirs. Pointless discussion. They put Jesus in the same level as God. We don’t, so what is the point of this discussion exactly?
This one will be heated
Asinnn
It wasn't.
@@KingofgraceSARA😂😂😂😂
Right
I've seen heated debates with Christians bringing Muslims to check the Muslims on their faith..
This one wasn't that heated.
as a muslim, our holy book (the quran) is preserved in the same language (arabic) since its been revealed like 1400 years ago. if jesus spoke aramaic, why is it written in greek? so that doesn't make sense. also in the christian world, jesus 'died for their sins', so what the point of our existence? if christians can do whatever they want, bc jesus 'died for their sins' what is even life lol? .... a plethora of contractions! ignorance is bliss, allhamdulilah for being a muslimah.
Hi, to answer your question. That is definitely not the point of Christs sacrifice. His grace given to us through his death for our sins, it is not so we can take advantage of it. It even says in the bible that we should not take advantage of this grace. Romans 6:1-2 “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?.”
Because he died for our sins and rose back to life. We can now live the good life that God planned for us through the power and help of the Holy Spirit. And even when we sin (because we are human) Christ’s sacrifice pays for those sins so we will not be condemned for those sins. We can get back up again and continue walking with God. Hope this helps :).
Your logic is flawed. I can easily throw back the question, if Allah is all merciful, Muslims can do whatever they want. Christ came to show us how to live, died so that we may have life eternal, resurrected to fulfill the Word, as He is, and come back for His children.
@@Ivanabelle y’all let y’all religion get publicly disrespected😭… lil nas x made a whole music video disrespecting christianity. there’s no accountability in christianity, just as long as you believe in christ, all is well... yeah no thanks
@@reginaphalange93 most Christian media called him out? Once a person is made aware of their wrongs, it's between them and God. Lil Nas X doesn't represent Christianity, in fact very far from it. So very weird measurement of our faith but do as you please.
Aramaic was the primary language for Jewish people in Galilee and Judea. However, Greek was the lingua franca in the Eastern Mediterranean and the language of trade, culture, and Roman administration. Records (including the bible) document interactions between Jesus and non-Jewish individuals such as Roman centurions and Syro-Phoenician (Canaanite) people. So Jesus must have spoken Greek.
Let’s say 2 people each have a friend named James. They are trying to figure out if it is the same person. Person 1 says his friend James is a father since he has 1 biological child and also some adopted children. Person 2 says his friend James has no children and doesn’t want any kids. Are they talking about the same person or not?
As a Pastor you need to dig deeper about other practices. In scripture the Bible says if you deny the Son you deny the Father.
Allah is not a Father and he doesn’t have a son.
Therefore we do not serve the same God. It’s really truly that simple. Much love❤!
The funny thing about this is that’s in Quran it states that we serve the same God Surah 29:46. In the Bible it states that if you don’t believe in the son of God… you gonna perish, John 3:16. My fellow Christians we do not worship the same God as the Muslims always stand by the truth. Our God, we call him Father, their God, they call him Master.
Please that's not what John 3:16 says
It's state that so God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that who so ever Believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life
@@favourotusanya If your a Muslims you believe that God doesn’t have a Son nor is he a Father. So, you used this scripture to support his point basically.
God sent his son into the world who was Jesus. You do not accept Jesus as God’s Son. So, you cannot have everlasting life if you do not accept Jesus as God’s Son. Do you understand?
I wonder why this people can nit understand the fact that Muslims believe in Jesus(Proohet Yisa). And they keep saying they would go to hell. Who are they to decide? Even as christians to christains , you cant tell one sister will go to hell.
literally
you believe in a false Jesus like comics have a false caricature of god
Yes you going to hell. You don't believe Jesus as your Lord and Savior
Believing is God’s Son is different from believing someone is a prophet. Demons believe in Jesus, they believe that there is one God and that he is the Messiah/a prophet. What is the difference between you and the demons?
Please if you want to hold another one, please I'm down to represent islam, the people u brought for islam are good but please I'm down
since pastor rock nonchalantly mentioned my country without proper context, let me just try to explain. Muslim scholars, do correct me if I'm wrong. The reason why in Malaysia, we do not allow interfaith marriage is solely for the sake of lineage purity. We do not want our children to experience confusion when it comes to faith. Basically, to take care of the sacredness of Islam itself. We don't want our religious faith and practices to be mixed up and later create so many conflicting ideas that will shatter and disturb our belief as one ummah (muslim community). Hope that helps.
Both religions did not originate from Nigeria or west Africa. Why are we debating on this.
Were there no religions in Nigeria before Islam and Christianity?
Sad!!!! Our ancestors are rolling in the grave
😂crazy lol everyone is just going through hell like a broad lol😂😂😂😅
Because this has caused war and have many people lose their lives in this country.
Thank you! I refused to believe out of all tribes in Nigeria only Christianity and Islam are the only ones
Our "ancestors" couldn't save themselves from the colonizers that invaded the country.
The fact that it was spread by people doesn't invalidate the truth of it.
These debates are necessary because there is a God.
And we need him, we need the right one, not ogun or osun that couldn't even save themselves and require blood sacrifices from their followers.
Debates like these are necessary because every god calls for exclusivity in worship but we have thousands, and only one is right. Not two not three and people need to be pointed in the right direction.
May God point us in the right direction.
@@Ifpurplewasagirland we can't save ourselves from ourselves, look at the state of the country with all the churches and mosques. Mind you we are still colonized (neocolonialism)
Anyways, “how Jesus became god” by Bart Erman explains in detail how modern day Christians began to view Jesus as God whereas the original followers of Jesus did not. Yusha Evans also talks a lot about this topic.
Most Christians don’t even know that the trinity (Trinitas) is a relatively modern concept conjured during Constantine’s rule (by a man named father Athanacius) and many Christians were actually killed to enforce it. This is not even a conspiracy it’s well known historical fact and it’s wild that most people don’t even do research at least to a small level before risking their afterlife. Just blind following and dogma.
So barterhman is the new prophet of islam cuz bart erhman destroy the entire religion of islam bart wrote and i quote it is a fact of history that Jesus was crucified that alone disprove the entire religion of islam and its comic book the quran by disproving historical facts
Half right, some of the original followers did believe, like Mathew, Mark, Luke, John & Paul. Also many more. Question, why do think so many Christians risked there life believing Jesus Christ was God in the 1st century? Also, the Trinity is revealed in & throughout Scrpitures & was believed for over 2000 years.
Misinformation!!!!
When she said "If I take a picture with my phone , you won't say that I am inside" I almost fell out of my chair with laughter...Lol😂
That analogy made no sense at all tbh
Who is here with me surveying the comment section before diving in.
I wish a better topic was used tho, this topic is not good for such a sensitive matter.
These guys are not sound at all. All the intellectuals in will be so tired of this video. Like they are not educated into this matter at all. see poor logic smh
Abi, I'm a Christian and I was screaming shut up 😂😂. If I'm not certain on something, I don't have a reasonable answer I'm not speaking. The Muslims have said we don't worship the same God and you are still forcing them, next you say they are going to hell 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️. If they didn't stand on the first point, the hell issue won't have been so painful to watch
I feel like you didn’t choose the right people for each side.
i strongly agree with you
Well the man in the suit did well.
@@roseariexxdelight9782 not for me… he’s probably one of the worst on this panel for me 🤷🏾♀️
@@aminademe6398 In what way? please elaborate?
@@geoffreywright9856 he’s don’t seem open to discussion, or to others believes than the ones he has. In a debate, you dont have to change your mind, but you can understand people, listen, evolve. There is no tolerance here. And theres multiples time when he almost disrespected the muslim side of the panel. I think he could have communicated with « forms ». Hes not the only one tho. For me, to be able to talk about this subject, you have to come with some knowledge about all religions concerned, that is a must. Thats my opinion.
I wish to be a panelist in this discussion. The pastor didnt do enough justice as i expected. He should study more.
My book, our book. The bad ones are not part of us. My child must do my own religion. Religious people have more in common with each other than they think. All of us should be critical and more human than ‘tribal’.
it would have been good to get ex-muslims who are now christian as they would have been better equpped to understand the muslim perspective and give insight on how Chrisitianity is the truth.
play, ex Christians nko
So ex Christians who are now Muslims to debate the ex muslims
and ex christians who became muslim would be good
i’m sure there will be LOTS of them
you think you did something there LMAOO
Eish, my only suggestion is that you would've got a mixed Christian speakers. They all seem protestant - pentecostal or non denominational, but it would've been good to seen a catholic speaking on natural theology to the first question. Orthodox talk on the second prompt. Even could have had some Mormons or Adventist there
You won’t find this in Nigeria
Right? There would have been more nuance to the conversation. I love and appreciate how the Catholics know so much of church history.
@mazgermaine5471 there are 35 million catholics though in Nigeria
So the Christians can prove each other wrong. Lmao 😂
Mormons and Adventists follow un biblical doctrines 😭.
There are a lot of things about religion that only God can settle. The best thing is to love everyone and remember we are humans first before anything.
I love this pastor! He never sugarcoated anything about Islam like that lady in Christ.
All of this aside, give your life to Christ, He loves you and wants you. And if you think Jesus is a myth, I pray in the name of Jesus that you have personal encounter with the Living God. 1❤
The Abrahamic religions are very similar. I don't know why they like to argue all the time.
Ine was given the promise big difference
The reason is the cost of knowing you were decieved in eternity. The cost of a soul is the reason.
It’s not
Islam is a cheap copy with zorastastroism mix.
As a muslim I can see how both sides doesn't have enough knowledge at all.
Like this debate is basically "trust me bro I feel that my relegion is the right one"
But that's not how it works and also debating people that has no knowledge of the other relegion is pointless.
I suggest that cruise organize structured debate between Christian and muslim and athiest. I'm interested in intellectual debate on religion. I am a christian.
bro said debate. i don’t think this is a debate
it’s called a middle ground
@@hanana.banana
Lols.. middle ground exactly