African spirituality vs Christian religion! Dr Khanyisile Litchfield-Tshabalala
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2024
- Hey South Africa, we’ve finally landed in your beautiful land. We speak to one of your best African spirituality promoters -Dr. Khanyisile Tshabalala. We’re happy to host her and learn on African spirituality and how Africans practiced it then and why we need to hold onto it now more than ever.
Religion plays a key role in Africa. On this episode we look at what Africa was before colonization and the African spiritual practices held. Colonization as a social system affected how Africans behave on different life aspects and spiritual practice is major. We also detail on the effects of colonialism on African spirituality. Our guest shares on the differences between African spirituality vs Christianity as a religion.
00:01 - Colonialism as a social system.
01:43 - Effects of colonialism on African spirituality
05:10 - African spirituality, language culture vs African languages
08:40 - African spirituality vs Christianity practices
10:56 - Nation groups vs ethnic groups
12:40 - Gender grammar in Christianity vs spirituality
15:30 - Christianity vs dictatorship, colonialism, neocolonialism
17:17 - Africa pre-colonial
20:48 - The catholic church and colonization
22:47 - Religion as a patriarchal system vs spirituality
27:15 - The Spirituality practice vs religion practice
29:10 - Christianity is a western system
31:30 - African fundamental practices - Religion is faith spirituality you just know
35:08 - Embracing self as African and African spirituality
38:55 - Mediocrity in African politics
41:15 - Afrocentric leadership for Africa
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What's your definition of being a Christian?
Thank you, Alfa House, for providing the platform for me. My message is harsh - thus not TV popularity material. Keep on keeping on.
Thank you for this content, but for the sake of objectivity, if you going to title your post "African Spirituality vs Christianity', it would be good to hear from both sides. Hopefully we get to hear a response that presents more than a colonial representation of christianity.
@@joshuamadalitsochiundiza8638 Maybe you have a point. But I am wondering which representation of Christianity is not colonial in Afrika? Except for Ethiopia, where Christianity is also not indigenous, by the way: Acts 8: 26 - 40. It is an externally infused ideology. Tell me of an Afrikan community that was christian in 10 BCE? In 476 at the fall of the Roman Empire? Or of an Afrikan community where France, Britain, Portugal, Italy, and Spain, did not infuse Christianity into the colonial philosophy. Are you up for an interview, to educate us on the Non-Colonial Christianity, to bring the balance? It would be interesting to learn.
@@DrKhanyiLitchfieldTshabalala Siyabonga Mama Tshabalala for your response.
I am in agreement to some extent on your point of external infusion of Christianity, but my point dwells ultimately on the African response to Christianity, the philosophical benchmark being African realism, where Africa has always had a response to external infusions, whether forced or of our free will. Christianity is recent in the context of African history, but its adoption and adaption locates that premise of African realism that is the crux of Africa's response to Christianity. This is manifested by individuals like Emperor Ezana, Prophetess Kimpa Vita, Simon Kimbangu, St Augustine of Hippo, Johanne Marange etc. Or the unspoken Abba Mikael who had a brief but great influence on reformer Martin luther.
I wouldnt mind an interview, I am keen to learn. Asante sana for your response, I am also your student, with many questions.
As a Hindu, I am so happy for Africans who are rising out of xtianity and going back to your roots and african spirituality. ❤🙏
The need to detoxify from Christianity is NO joke.
"Spirituality is creative and religion is prescriptive"
- Dr. Khanyisile Litchfield-Tshabalala
Wonderful
Absolutely!❤
This conversation needs to go viral
that would be great, we thought it was a very interesting lecture, but unfortunately there are few views
unfortunately knowledge is not for the masses. thats why wise people are few. but it is upon us to direct this message to the right people.
It won't, South Africans have been HIGHLY COLONIZED and don't care about knowing themselves.
* not viral but plugged into the right ones.
You’re right. It needs to go viral, so that Africans don’t fall into the trap. Accepting African spirituality implies, denying, rejecting Jesus Christ. She also wants us to believe that hell/heaven do not exist. NO THANK YOU.
I stopped going to church 3 years ago and that was the best decision ever
God never said go to church acts 7v48. Hebrews 9v11. Acts 17v24, the truth is we are the church,1corinthians 3v16, we are the temple,
5 years for me 😅
@morrisleviston5122 WOW!!
I am spiritual and my identity is African Indigenous Spirituality ❤❤❤❤ love you family
🖤✌🏽🌱🌍
ANCIENT AFRIKAN SPIRITUAL 😊😊
Love you too Child of the Soil, of the Sun
The devil is spiritual too.
@@anonymous-3720 Just like your god
The content that needs to be taught in all African schools
Absolutely, education is key to progress!
I love everything abt u mama! From the content to your african beeds! I am always sad when African parents living in babylon pretend to forget their mother tongues. In germany, where i live they will not speak swahili to their kids. They'd rather adress them in broken deutsch. Sad sad!
Totally agree.
Well said, African Queen. I trust many Africans will take this seriously and be strong enough to detox from religion.
Thank you for your kind words, I appreciate your support!
If not Jesus, then who?
Here in Tobago everything the mzungu gave us thru slavery was bad for us. Everything. But many of us still hold on to their religion and is prepared to die defending it.
GRENADA 🇬🇩 HERE…I NEVER TRUSTED ANYTHING FROM THESE PEOPLE…I LEFT RELIGION YEARS AGO AND EMBRACED SPIRITUALITY
It is not just Tobago. It is both the diaspora and the continent herself. It is almost like we have been bewitched. We even kill each other about Islam or Christianity. Now we have a faction that is breeching Christianity and Judaism. My analysis has always come to the same conclusion = decolonisation or the need for a cultural revolution. Europe went through it in Rennaissance, India has had one, China, Malysia, America, Japan.... But no, we want to berate our spirituality, culture, and languages, and hope to rise.
@@SPICEMAN-473 I wish all my people can come to that kairos moment. We are largely initiated into religion without our permission. I mean I was born into a Catholic family, thus baptised as a baby, names after Catholic Italian people, encouraged to respect Latin, etc. But that was my parents! Not me! Through my journey in life, I had to develop into me.... I ditched my colonial religious names, and I gave myself the name, Khanyisile. A past perfect tense meaning, the one who has lighted, or brought light. It fits in with my ancestral gift of knowledge.
It’s no different here in the USA. The majority of Black Americans are the same way. But alot of us are starting to wake up.
But Africans had slavery they had Christianity
Honestly, I respect this woman in the highest regard, I left Christianity when I was 15 and never looked back. I'm 29 now and the journey of going within and becoming spiritual was and will forever be the best decision I've ever made. The detoxing process from Christianity to spiritualism is no joke.... everything this woman has spoken about is so true, throughout the whole video I was agreeing with everything she said.
10yrs clean..no church... blessed beyond measures...AFRIKA AWAKE
I love African Spirituality
I second that...
"I did English as a language but not as a medium of instruction" - so powerful
Been doing and still doing research on the origins of Christianity and Africa…I left the religion recently for so many reasons because of most of what she is saying. People are afraid to do research and people are still afraid to be wrong.
There's an article that might aid your research entitled: "Here's What No One Told You About Africa's Ancient Christian History" by Laura M. Quainoo
Religion. The greatest tool ever used on poor humans psyche.
If we survive it will be because we have found this woman's wisdom within a critical number of us.
Humble correction: In Nguni culture (Zulu, Xhosa, Ndebele, and Swati), we say, Thokoza! Or Camagu! Meaning we give praise to the ancestors, the owners of the wisdom and the knowledge. On my own, i am just a Catholic-raised and terrorised woman whose crucible was more Latin, Italian and English. I cannot thank my ancestors enough for finding me.
Very interesting interview. I have believed in Christ for a long time. I understand her views but I think she is leaving out the fact that the scriptures were prominent in Ethiopia long before colonisation. People knew the Word long before these events occurred. Catholicism alone does not sum up the message of Jesus. And for the record, I am in full support of the idea that Jesus himself was not a white man. Point is, the words of scripture have been used to control and divide not only Africa, but the entire world, something that Jesus(Yeshua) would not want. Race itself is a false term created to divide. We are one race, one people, the HUMAN race. Humanity UNITE. God bless you all. Shalom to all cultures, all creeds, all nations former and lasting.
Many Christians love to reference Ethiopian Christianity when they cannot dispute the truth of spiritually as the way forward. Yes Ethiopian Christianity was around first however what is practised on mass globally is the adulterated European version of it with lies throughout
And certainly what was before the construction of this adulterated form was the Intuitive and creative "God-reflective" nature to assist us to filter right and wrong/love and no love. The prescription makes us forget and follow without listening to the internal God direction. It has also lead to us denying our natural ties with ancestors which all other nations respect.
Ethiopia is only one country, so what if christianity was in one country in Africa?
The father of Ethiopian Christianity is not African . His name is Fermentius
There was the Coptic church and Ethiopian church before the catholics. However these churches were formed through the Greeks not by africans. The kushite king at the time Ezana made his kingdom into a Christian kingdom after his conversion by two Caucasians either of greek or turkish origin who had come from Egypt. So all the subjects of that kingdom had no choice but to abide by the king. Those who denied it eg the oromo are still non christianized africans.
I AM almost in tears to see all of the viewers in the comments who have been through what I have been through as one who had come to terms that the christian jezuzy stuff was not working for me!!! Decided to let it go and live my Most beautifull rich and illustrious indigenous Afrakhan ancestral culture and spirituality. The more I began to search for my Afrakhan cultural and spiritual ancestry heritage and birthrights within me and me within it!!! I found Peace I found home and i found me!!! Which led me to a truly heart warming beautifull relationship with The DIVINE. ASE’🖤❤️💛💚👑✨🙏🏾✨
Same here. I found peace, I found myself, I found my true history, my heritage, my purpose. Let's keep decolonisng and finding ourselves!
@@DrKhanyiLitchfieldTshabalala ASE’OOOOO✨🙏🏾✨
Absolutely love uMa Khanyile.
As a holder of a Masters Theological degree, I truly love how uDr Khanyile is trying to stretch the mind of Africans. The religion of Christianity in Africa is certainly Eurocentric & even the concept of Easter is problematic. We need to decolonize Education & Culture & love ourselves as Africans. Siyabonga Ma.
Is the room for consideration of the fact that Christianity was in Africa (Ethiopian Orthodox) before it existed in Europe. Then again, one can argue is the Christianity that is predominant is the one introduced by Europeans
Camagu! Thokoza!
Camagu! Thokoza!
We need woke academicians. We need woke PhD holders; we need woke Profs. But most of all, we need woke students. Some people's unconscious incompetence (they do not know that they do not know) is so deep that the truth makes them attack the truth bearer. They confront the truth with such ferocious anger, that it flies above their heads.
This is words from above ashered by the ancestors through the mouth of Dr Tshabalala.
52 seconds in, and I just got my whole life 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
"You can't change the system that been put into place thousands of years without demonizing it" 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I got my life back, too! Thank you so much, Doc. I love you so, so much!
I love African spirituality. I think it's the best spirituality on Earth. We do not have any one between us and our Creator. You don't need to pass or go through somebody's name to get to Our Source. I tried all religions including Christianity nothing surpasses African Spirituality. I'm happy that I'm practicing something that my ancestors believed in.
And we do not evangelise, we believe the truth is inside you, that your own ancestors will find you and enlighten you - if you heed their call. We also do not have heaven or hell. I do good because it is common sense to be good to other humans, it is ubuntu, and I am umuntu, and they are abantu. Not because I fear to go to some lake of everlasting fire.
@@DrKhanyiLitchfieldTshabalala How do you know you’re doing good? Where does your common sense come from? Why bother doing good if there’s no heaven or hell?
Who are you referring to when you say “we” do not have heaven/hell?
@@anonymous-3720 how do you know you’re doing good? and don’t say because you read it in the Bible because that would be a biased answer and not a theological one. the truth is, you also cannot answer the questions that you ask without consulting the Bible.
@@anonymous-3720why not dissect your Bible the way you are dissecting this comment
I left been a Christian many years ago,my brother and sisters were shocked but l remain who I am till date even my woman left because of that
but why may be you expressed yourself wrongly
@@ngeewa8029 she's Christian and wanted to remain Christian
*"WHEN SLAVE DRIVER AND SLAVE SUBJECT BOTH PRAY TO THE SAME GOD. SAME AS ONE IS AN OPPRESSOR AND THE OTHER THE OPPRESSED. ONE MUST BE A CONMAN AND OTHER A CLOWN."*
*WARIE PORBENI RADIOZEATERCLUB 🌟.*
What's your definition of being a Christian?
I am on that line. I left Christianity and my relationship with my wife is at stake. I am ready for the route. This is nonsense
Umama is spitting fire.❤❤❤
The "if hell was real" argument is mind-blowing 🔥🔥🔥
Camagu! Thokoza!
First time watching Dr. Khanyisile Tshabalala but am really impressed by her wisdom and Afro-centrism. Much love and respect🥁🪘👏🏾.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Dr. Khanyisile Tshabalala is truly inspiring.
Thank u South African we are fortunate to have wake people & feel luck to be placed in SA
South african isn't the only country where spirituality is nor considered as witchcraft. You also have Benin
@@africaine4889 no one said any thing about any country we are supporting our mother as a country where women are respected and acknoledge no one spoke of any country & this is not a competition
But we are also slowly sliding and receding to the mediocrity that is rampant in this continet: where Afrikan Spirituality is synonymous with witchcraft, where only Islam or Christianity can officiate over the opening of Parliament, where the Afrikan language or mother tongue ends either in primary school or junior secondary. I mean in some Afrikan countries, jacket and tie is the only permissible attire in Parliament. We are also going there, if we do not stand up and defend the little traces that remain of our BEING. Neocolonialism, is by nature, an anathema to ubuntu, to our culture and spirituality. It is a war - and I do not think we are conscious as Afrikans in SA, that we are at war.
@@africaine4889 the fact remains though: it’s still witchcraft. It doesn’t matter if they consider it as such or not.
Love how our Mother is teaching us how to look at things we from Oral spirituality
Wow I love this lady. I hope Kenyans we listen carefully to her and may we remember who we are
We're glad you love her, but don't forget to love us too! 😄
@@theealfahouse 😄😄 and you are...? I love the choice of people you bring on the show; I'm very happy when I see a video prompt with PLO Lumumba on it. I almost always never get any other prompt from you other content but those that are afrocentric, probably because the algorithm knows I spent time on such topics, regardless of the fact that I'm subscribed and hit the notification button 🙆. Keep up the good work.
Thank you so much for your support and kind words! We're glad you enjoy the content.
Kenyan here 😅 searching for answers
Oh my goodness, how can i like this video a thousand times? Somebody show me...🙏🏿
Thank you so much for your enthusiasm! I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
Camagu!
This is one of the most profound conversations I’ve ever heard in my life. This video should absolutely trend. A lot of us need such information so that we know where you come from and we know where we are going.
Camagu! May it be so! May Afrikan ancestors keep the conversation alive
Can we all see what is going on. We as Africans are seeking truth, and identity for those who know nothing about their identity.❤
Imagine
Siyabonga Ndlovukazi. You are a blessing from our African ancestors. Keep being a good medium for our ancestors.
Big up
Camagu! Thank you for the love, I need it
Having given my wife breakfast in bed, we listened to this beautiful Cistren educate many who took the time to listen &
overstand what she had to teach them. She was excellent & validated much of what I learnt through my ALK'EBULAN = Afeikan SPIRITUALITY. I ave subscribed & will continually share U'r contents. ÀSÈ..MA'AT HOTEP.
We need more sisters and brothers like her to talk more about the Africa Spirituality so as to reeducate us on it. We did lose many of our beliefs due to colonization. Thank God for social media we are getting better and more informed about the situation. We know today that the earlier colonizers were killers and liars. They distorted the narrative to potray their thoughts and actions. Our Tongues may differ across Africa but the Spirituality across the continent is the same. The Europeans copied and whitewashed our beliefs to be theirs.
Thank God for the new awakening.
Thank you for this great content. We must proudly go back to true Africanity.
I want to share this video with everyone I know. As a Canadian born Jamaican, I struggle to know myself. My "Jamaican" culture is a mix of African slavery and British colonization. Jamaica’s national dish (ackee and salt fish) comes from West Africa (ackee) and Britain (salted cod). I struggle to connect with my family because I am awake and question everything about our culture. Jamaicans, especially my family are so lost in Christianity they don’t understand what I see and know. They need something to believe in without understanding their power is within. I needed the reminder that spirituality comes from within not a "high priestess" or other head. Thank you for sharing this!
Thank you for sharing your personal journey. It's important to reflect on our roots and beliefs to find our true selves.
Jamaicans for starters many are a blend of West & East African take a closer look hat Uganda & Kenya. Do you ancestry DNA
How will your spirit transition from here to heaven without the power of holy spirit. Logical God is the one i will meet not a familiar spirit. I want to know why does it matter of jesus was black or white will that change my fate. Will i not have to accept my fate ? If i decide to reject God follow after another spirit. If I decide not to accept jc as my savior will learning my heritage, which exempt me from God wrath. I am .... Great i Am .... we our in trouble. Thank God for who he is because he knew sent us our lord savior. Just asking question nothing more because I have accepted, will not follow a stranger voice.
love the channel, love what its doing, love from tz my brothers, africa is coming back to us, may we uphold our ancestors and the ways we lost. LOVE
My only problem with this interview is that is short😢 so much to learn but the time was so short 🥺
😢 how I felt lol!
I am luo from Kenya.... I really liked that part of us not being a tribe...but a state, a nation.... Wow
I m spiritually awakened and humble about it
I heard only fiiiiiire from this woman . She didnt talk, she gunned down nonsense
It is only nonsense in the ears of a fool
Dr. Khanyisile 🔥🔥 deconstructing colonial concepts and ideas flawlessly.
Camagu! Thokoza!
The mantra, the queen. Knowledge is power indeed.
I identify with all that this SeeStar says. I too always asked questions a lot in church got me into trouble a lot, eventually I left & yes it was like going through a messy divorce took 2yrs before I stopped saying I was 7 day Adventist & 3yrs to stop saying I was christian. The brainwashing was very deep & embracing African Spirituality is what helped me remain liberated. I have a much stronger & closer relationship with my Ancestors & my guides they help me a lot. I am aware of their presence every waking hour.
Me too. Stay strong
We need to listen to our true leaders like this,we need brain Training in Africa or Globally
This is why my most prized book to date is Ngugi wa Thiongo's "Decolonise Your Mind". We do not celbrate Ngugi enough. This book must be prescribed from Cape to Cairo, Morocco to Madagascar, Nigeria to Namibia...
🤝 I respect this woman very intelligent beautiful brain 🧠😮💨
Black man you're on your own .... Steve Biko ✊🇿🇦
Beautiful content shared. I am inspired. I wish the questions from the interviewer will be printed on the screen too.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Mama Litchfield-Tshabalala is the center of the house
Camagu! My ancestors are! The Afrikan ancestors I carry are! Not me.
@@DrKhanyiLitchfieldTshabalala as young black child I am learning a lot from watching your videos
This woman is a GENIUS!!!
I carry geniuses, it is the ancestors in me. On my own, I am the naive, Soweto-raised, western-educated, PhD holder who has been fed disinformation and misinformation like all other Afrikans. I battle cognitive dissonance like all my people.
She reminds me of baba Vusamazulu Mutwa
Sometimes you just feel truth. Listening with our hearts, we can hear her words which feel so clear & truthful.
yep self love ,,,,,not self hate ,,,will fix the African mind ,,,,keep teaching
Fire fire fire 🔥 Thank you Dr for speaking truth the power! Thank you for speaking power to truth❤
Really enjoying this. I practiced Christianity for many years until God provided me with an awakening. I now pay attention to the synchronicities that exist. God will always make Himself and His message clear to those whose spirits are awake. I’ve learned that there are many truths in many spiritual practices and it’s ok for me to adopt what resonates with my journey.
This is really beautiful. Every time I listen to her there's just so much knowledge.
S'dlubuladledle sakaLobamba! Ever insightful and inspiring
Everything she said I agree with. From politics to women not showing their own hair. I totally agree, and of course what she said about the patriarchy is a system, and spirituality is about balance. I've stopped going to church since covid and I'm still in the midst of my spiritual learning.
This is been my journey too.....
Keep learning and growing. Do not stop.... Seek the truth. It is a journey, and we are all in it.
❤ Nothing But The Truth!! ❤
Truth be told, honesty is the best policy!
Afrocentric 💪🏽🖤✌🏽🌑 true!!!
Yess bring back Afrikan celebrations.🎉🎉
Thanks so much for this interview.
Our pleasure!
Ma’am you are 🔥 Spiritually is beyond the understanding of Abrahamic religions.
I wish my fellow South Africans could have seen this before they voted DA
So happy this phenomenal woman is finally here
The Afrikan ancestors in me are phenomenal! I am just ordinary
I AM giving honor to this Divine orator of truth revelation and illumination. Truly a light, trailblazer and path maker!!! So honored to view and listen to what really resonates from within me!!! May the Divine Originator continue to inspire teach lead and guide you. May the Divine ancestors abide and walk with you every step of the way you travel.
Divine Prosperity Peace Power Progression Protection✨👑✨ ✌🏾🤞🏾☝🏾🖤❤️💛💚✊🏾🌍✨🙏🏾✨
In isiXhosa we say, Camagu!
Zulu: Thokoza!
Meaning, may the ancestors take the glory, may we be reminded that we have trailblazers who walked before us, we come from generations upon generations of civilisations, knowledge, and wisdom.
@@DrKhanyiLitchfieldTshabalala ASE’🙏🏾✨
Christianity is a spell (as are other religions).
How did you come up with that conclusion? Who hurt you?
same can be said for African spirituality lol
this is so cute we need this more and more in Africa
She is an absolute genius ❤
Everything coming out of here mouth is just healing. Pleaae more of this amazing soul and I will come to SA to study under here. 🎉🎉🎉🎉 this information is currency🎉🎉🎉
sheer brilliance
In Kikuyu we have 'Nyuba ni mutumia'
Amazing, Jambo ....
Wise woman
Thank you for your kind words!
Wise ancestors!
❤❤❤❤
asante
This interview has literally blown me away and I am so grateful that this Queen has blessed us with this priceless perspective. I have watched over and over❤❤❤❤
All gratitude to our Afrikan ancestors.
*"WHEN SLAVE DRIVER AND SLAVE SUBJECT BOTH PRAY TO THE SAME GOD. SAME AS ONE IS AN OPPRESSOR AND THE OTHER THE OPPRESSED. ONE MUST BE A CONMAN AND OTHER A CLOWN."*
*WARIE PORBENI RADIOZEATERCLUB 🌟.*
You cannot make that any clearer.👍🏾
Thank you Mama 🙏🏼
41:18 very true
I would like to here more from her.
Dr Khanyisile is Amazing🌞✊🏾👑🙏🏾
BEAUTIFUL.
I wish we could hear the interviewer’s questions as well. Brilliant woman, I’m obsessed ♥️♥️♥️
OMG thanks alpha house for bringing her she is such a vibe
So glad you enjoyed the video!
Wow, great, she's such a blessing to Afrikaǃ
We are actually watching, rewatching now immediately after we watched. This is it! Spot on!
😊This is a life altering and elevating broadcast
Okay m'am, but when do we get to hear your wise daughter speak?
Well spoken
WOW. JUST WOW!
Thank you for the clarity and method to be critical and self critical. Love this video. ❤
Thank you very much my sister for making me feel who I am,
You are so welcome
Thokozani! Siyathokozisa!
Well said Mama
Thank you 😊
I love our dear Sistah and Mother
Queen QUEEN Queen thanks 🙏🏾
Siyabulela Sisi. Uphile njalo nje❤️❤️❤️
Hmmmm mom thanks so much Africans none but our
self can free our minds our.❤❤❤
This is enlightening. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for bringing forth Daktari. Her courage is revolutionary. I’m inspired
I'm so glad I found this, This was very informative & mind changing.
Glad it was helpful!