The 2023 Dodge Hornet GT Isn't What I Expected, Given the Competition: Let's Check It Out!
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
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The Dart 2.0. Best of luck, buyers!
Yes! It looks exactly like they took a Dodge Dart and made it into an SUV 🤦♂️
The dart was already the Neon 2.0
More like Caliber 2.0
The big issue for me is that it looks like to different cars glued together. From the side mirror forward it doesn't look like a seemless merge of Alfa and Dodge.
That's because Stellantis didn't allow Dodge to make the car much different than the Tonale.
To be fair, the Charger has been like that for the last 10+ years! Only it's more like THREE different cars: front, side, rear.
@@chfpontiac5849 The Charger shares the platform with the Challenger and Chrysler 300.
@@rlsedition What I meant was the front, side, and rear of a Charger isnt very cohesive. Like this Hornet.
@@chfpontiac5849 I think that would be because Alfa did the design, not Dodge, who only tacked on a new front fascia and hood to an existing Alfa design.
Hey all, thank you for watching! Quick correction: This Dodge Hornet GT is a *2023* model, rather than a 2024 - According to the information we currently have from Dodge, the R/T (shown here on TFLcar: ruclips.net/video/R0vW3Vw8rQY/видео.html) *is* going to be a 2024 model. Apologies for any confusion!
The 2023 Dodge Hornet GT is available to build and configure now, if you're interested. The R/T, for its part, will arrive later on this year.
And this Hornet competition is the Chevy Trax. Not the Trailblazer
This starts at $46000 up here in Canada, it is cheaper than converting the $40000 USD to CAD but that is still a lot of money for one of these
I’m paying 39k with no mark up, I’ve been to other dealerships but they are all marking up their cars even Honda and Toyota that have high volume sales
@@SARGENTDOODLE39k? Which province
I'm in Niagara Falls Ontario Canada,2023 Dodge Hornet GT Plus Black Top, 20 Inch Wheels ,Black Calipers,Sunroof Black On Black,20 Inch Wheels,Out The Door,Just Under $60.000
At $30-40k not only is a CX-30 turbo a competitor, but a CX-5 turbo as well if you want more space than the hornet. The cx-30 turbo maxes out fully loaded at $37.5k
Correct 37k vs 50k for this joke
@@VanquishedAgain before you make judgement go build one... You'll find you are completely wrong. Even Motor Trend said cold weather PKG and your done.
@@HDHQDIRECT what are you talking about? The RT is 50k+ and it is still slower than the cx30 which is 37k FULLY loaded all in. This dumb hornet is DOA. For it to succeed it needed to be 2 things 1) fast 2) good value
It is neither
@@VanquishedAgain Omg its slower, its trash...Most people cant even merge on to the highway at the correct speed even if they have 500hp.
For the record: crossovers can only look so good, but the Hornet is pretty sharp. And for the segment this thing's performance at base price isn't a slouch. I think it is a correct assessment to put it up against the Mazda offerings because those from Honda, Toyota, and Hyundai/Kia, Ford, and GM just aren't at the level with this size vehicle.
The problem, and this is something Mazda faces too, is that a lot of people who buy these crossovers couldn't tell the difference between 150hp or 300hp in the same class vehicle. Space is their most valued trait and they'd never pay extra for power because they'd never know they had any. We will see folks comparing this to a 158hp Honda HR-V and choosing the Honda purely on price and size. Or, more likely, price matching instead of size matching to vehicles 1 - 2 sizes higher. Namely the CX-5, RAV4 and Rav-4 prime, and Honda CR-V & Pilot.
The same people see a Mazda3 turbo and in their minds there's a giant *=* to a $20k Corolla L trim, or the $15k one they bought 20 years ago. Or they see a GRCorolla and are actually confused why it's not a 20k car.
The thin headlights kinda remind me of the first generation (1995-2000) Dodge Stratus/Plymouth Breeze/Chrysler Cirrus and the 1999-2003 Mitsubishi Galant.
All of those cars were way better than this thing. Plus a V6 option.
I was pumped when this was first released and everybody kept mentioning under 30K. Under 30k, you have a decent option. At 40K, I would like some of what you're smoking if you buy this vehicle.
What about 39,500? Please I don’t want to make bad choice what is your best opinion
The almost fully loaded Hornet Gt is about $34,000.....CX 30 is almost $38,000..Hornet hands down a better value than a Mazda cx 30 turbo....Cx 30 doesn't even have a digital dash display.....Hornets interior blows away the cx 30 ......Engine is also way better
Doesn't mean shit till your negotiating with the dealer. Or maybe wait a year or two. Beside, who wants to be the beta tester? Recalls are tedious.
You can't even get a Toyota Corolla for 30k silly
@@mikie1466 Corolla? Lmao
I really wish Dodge well with this little CUV. But as the happy owner of 2019 Mazda CX-5 Signature at just under $40,000 MSRP new and I have over 64,000 trouble free miles, this isn't even in the ballpark. I'd rather have a CS-30, CX-5 or CX-50.
You guys need to buy a sun glare reflector for your camera.
I’ve had mine for just over a week now, I love it. I really expected more cheap plastics, poor UI quality. Couldn’t have been more wrong, I actually love it
You must have low standards
Those aren’t things anyone is raising red flags about. “My Ferrari had a nice dash, why does it break” 😂
Do you use regular or premium gas? The car salesman said that it takes regular gas but I’ve been reading online that it says premium for gas..
I'm here because I work at a dodge dealership 😂. We got 2 of them in white and black. We all think it's just a big ass dart
With big ass problems
Bought one BLUE/GRAY
GT PLUS AWD TRAC PACK
COOLING & HEATED SEATS
ALL FIRE RED LEATHER INTERIOR WITH BLACK SUEDE DOORS
SUN ROOF
FULL SPARE TIRE
9 SPEAKERS THOUGH OUT THIS SUV
This is one bad ass sweet ride,and it's FAST!
ONE of my favorite SUV I've bought...
Had a 2 different Toyota SUVs and both after 4yrs old had Transmission problems.... so for me this will be my 2end Dogde for me...GO BIG OR GO HOME❤
That blue looks great and it'd look better still with the base silver wheels giving it some not-black to play against.
How long are they going to keep using that same blue?
This reminds me of the Dodge Caliber from years ago. Hopefully the transmission is more reliable than my 2008 was after 3 years.
At least more realizable than the GM transmissions in pickups 😂
The transmission in the Cailber was a Jatco CVT. Notoriously horrible transmission that plagued many Nissan's too.
I know how you feel there! My parents have a Caliber and it just stays in the parking lot without getting moved! Like as in.... it doesn't work anymore.
If it’s based on an ALFA ROMEO, I’d leave it in the SHOWROOM. There is NO SUCH THING as a RELIABLE ITALIAN CAR….AT ALL .
I believe that what STELLANTIS wants to eventually do, is to replace all domestic Dodge and Chrysler Cars/SUVS… and replace them with Italian and French - sourced products..such as Peugeot,Citroen,Fiat,and Alfa Romeo vehicles, wearing Dodge and Chrysler nameplates.
They do not understand the American market at all, which is the reason why those vehicles all failed in the United States in past decades… and continue to fail in the American marketplace TODAY.
It’s a dodge sooooo…..no.
It's a slander on the original Hornet model name, which morphed into the AMX and the Gremlin. Two fabulous cars.
Thank you for sharing! Interesting looking.
Hello! Thank you so much for all of your videos and descriptions. Always enjoy watching you and hearing your opinions. I currently need a new car and this one is on my list of possible vehicles (along with the VW Buzz, Jeep Wrangler, Jeep Renegade, Chevy Trailblazer, and the Hyundia Kona). This was a great video for my shopping needs. I do like this vehicle. I was surprised about the MPG. Beautiful vehicle! Love this model! Thanks, again! 🚙🚙🚙🚙 Avon Lady Jane...
I love the name of this lil Beast...The Hornet, I had a 68 SuperBee...my favorite is the 1970 SuperBee with it's Bee like headlights...Ford,Chev,Gm...loved there muscle car names as well...cyclone,the Judge, amc javalin those were the days🍻
How did you get this? It won’t be available for months around me in Texas.
Once they put a bunch of rebates on it, and it’s only 22K, It’ll be worth it
This is what is happening with the American auto industry. The big 3 have eliminated sedans and coupes not because of low demand like “they” say. It’s because cheaper economy cars don’t make as much money. They dupe you into buying a “crossover” or small suv that they tech load that is 10 to 15k over what the equivalent car in their lineup that they used to have.
Now the big three no longer have a true economy car in their lineups. Even the cheapest models are so tech loaded they are no longer cheap.
Big 3 please bring back the no frills analog economy vehicles please. So everyone can get a new car if they need one.
Possibly the Subaru Crosstrek too would cross shop with years ago Dodge had a similar idea for a high riding car Dodge Caliber AWD
The hawk in the background of the soundtrack was a nice touch.
👏👏👏 NATHAN...... HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE ✌️
Since the blackout package has it’s own wheels. Then you add track pack has it own wheels. Should get spare set of wheels, since your paying full price for both packages.
Nathan I gave you a 👍 not for content but for effort.
PS: 'Murder Hornets' are black & yellow -
My guess is, with the premium pricing strategy and rising interest rates, Stellantis N.V. will not be importing huge numbers of the Dodge Hornet.
Yep...make less, charge more seems to be the new automotive mantra.
I still remember the old Amc Hornets 70s. If there gonna bring back old model names than bring back the Big Imperial
I think it looks ok, but the Alfa seems DOA in the US. It’s $10k more and the interior is essentially identical to the Dodge. Think of this as an Alfa with a larger dealer network for a lot less… and I say this as an Alfa fan (and previous owner of a Giulia).
Yes I may also jump ship
Not a bad ride. I really love the Blue! Is that B5 Blue?
I wanted one of these but when I got to checking with area dealers they were all marking these up to 39k or higher which is out of my budget.
It might be that they are only selling higher trims of this car which can be expensive and not worth it in my opinion.
Incredible! I was marked down 1k under MSRP also if the sunroof delete credit is real then I’d get 1600 off top
Isn't esc off electric stability control?
As someone who does not normally appreciate the 'Dodge design aesthetic", I LOVE the look of the Hornet! I am really interested in seeing the numbers on the R/T.
R/T performance numbers are out. 0-60 in 5.6 seconds, 288 hp, 383 torque
There is no dodge design aesthetic because this is not a dodge. It’s typical American car badge engineering laziness. Nearly as bad as the stuff for General Motors was putting out 30 years ago.
@@2steaksandwiches665 Hmmmmmmmm well, I can tell the difference between the front ends of a Dodge, a Chevy and a Toyota.
The vehicle aesthetic is Alfa Romeo, not Dodge.
@@rlsedition The nose is all Dodge.
part of me with this car is very conflicted. I like it one moment and think its odd the next, but i think dodge will benefit either way from adding a smaller SUV to its lineup. That seems to be the way the markets have been going for some years now, so it gives them a chance to offer a product in that segment and capture some market share.
A good addition to their lineup? As of next year, the Hornet will be the entire Dodge lineup. No more Chargers, Challengers, or Durango after 2023. Ram is a separate brand now. A lot is riding on this underwhelming car entering a segment that is saturated with far better vehicles. A single car keeping a manufacturer afloat is a tall order for even a truly great vehicle. There’s nothing here that you can’t get elsewhere in a better package.
Almost $30k for this something this small is still a bit high but what else is new? 😂
Otherwise I’d be very interested to see how well this sells for Dodge over the next few years
This just doesn't seem like a Dodge product regardless of badges.
When you really look at the product and to get the equivalent let's say Mazda CX5 Turbo you're in the exact same price point.....Whereas the 2.0l Turbo is 268hp and 295 lbs ft of torque Mazda is 256hp and 235 lbs ft of Torque at 3800lbs Hornet is 4100 lbs so it is a little heavier in that regards.
I was at a Honda dealership recently and they have everything marked up by 5k especially the HRV or CRV the damn 23 civics are touching 30 THOUSAND 😂, even Kia had mark ups on their cars
@@SARGENTDOODLE Our somewhat local Honda Dealership has about 12 vehicles on their lot....Whereas the DCJR Dealer in my town has over 120 products all at MSRP or Below even the TRX Havoc sold at MSRP our dealer isn't one to screw over their clients as they know without us buying from them they would cease to exist. Trust me the new owner found out real fast when he took over and tried it a few years ago.
@@codysmith9813 Because it isn’t. It’s very much Alfa Romeo Tonale disguised as Dodge. I personally like the Tonale and I don’t have very good feelings towards disgusting it as Dodge.
I just subscribed to your channel you forgot to mention what the button does on me yesterday when I am assuming it's a push-to-pass type thing
U know what, if dodge floods their dealerships with these things + heavy cash incentives, as stellantis seems happy to do with some models, and the Asian brands continue to suffer [factory order only and/or heavy dealership markup] policies, I could see a world where these things do okay despite the high MSRP. But I hope with more reviews we dig up more to like bout these things than just the power figures and PHEV drivetrain
What do you mean dodge? I don’t see a single dodge badge on this pile…
@@High_Octane ...k i get ur probably ripping on this thing being an alfa romeo, but i read that and genuinely couldn't remember what a dodge badge looks like.
@@Cal94 haha not even. But I agree!
With the class of vehicles this fits into it should do rather well. Reliability & Price wise I guess time will tell…
No way. 50k+ for the top trim and it's not even fast
@@VanquishedAgain 50K? Currently only two trims available and Top out currently is 43K. 🤷♂️
@@jayray274 the RT tops out at 53k. Which is a joke. Even at 43 it's a joke
Reliability?? Bahahah it’s a Fiat dodge its going to be in the shop by 30k miles
For those crying about reliability... ive seen more 100k miles hondas with transmission going than anything else. The turbo 4 and the tranny are quite reliable.
But what do i know, compared to some keyboard reliability testers
40k for the GT Plus seems high for this segment, considering that's not even the top trim. RTs looking closer to 50k from what I've been reading. Most competing vehicles stop around 35-38k. You could step up to a Compact or Midsize suv for 40-50k. Time will tell if buyers think it's worth the money
I bought the 2023 Dodge Hornet GT Plus Black Top It has paddles,sunroof and 20 inch wheels, Black Exterior, Black Interior and it's very fast 0 to 60 mph 6 seconds,Top Speed 140 mph plus,But Very Expensive,I paid just under $60.000 Canadian Dollars
I had the larger taller Cherokee Trailhawk with that 2.0 and some beef toyo AT tires.. and it got better mpg than my forester wilderness.. so that 24mpg is fairly conservative.
What’s ur opinion on the compass trailhawk now that they scrapped the 2.4 engine? There are discounts on 22 Trailhawk just below 30k now. I think they will have to go around 25 since the 23 turbo is arriving
The 22 compass trailhawk? well it doesnt have low range. so It would compare more to the cherokee AD-I, but does have some goodies that surpass that for offroading.
I'd consider it but the 2.4Tigershark is not a great engine. The biggest reason to go with the 23 is the new 2.0T engine.
Damn, looks like a Porshe Macan, I was looking for something like a Porshe Macan but cheaper for a long time. Now at $40k I still can't afford it but I can wait 5-7 years to buy a used one when it drops to $15k
That's a good idea.
Or with for driversselect to save big on first year
The front looks like a 00's Mitsubishi Gallant . 😂
Another hornet here in Michigan, wonder if they will be releasing them from Baltimore anytime soon? Mine arrived there a few days ago from what I was told
Sheet metal looks really close to the Tonale except the front & rear facia.
Because it is an Alfa Tonale.
@Dillon H Of course, I'm just responding to the host mentioning that the sheet metal is different, my point is it isn't that different.
Not just close, it's identical!
Oh, have you seen the blacked out plastic stick on hornet on the side! WOW now I really want one.😂
Now imagine this tiny thing with a hellcat motor in it
YES!!!!
Only in your dreams. It simply wouldn't fit.
Redesigned compass that’s all!
I’m assuming
No manual transmission option?
So glad we went with the 2023 Hyundai Tucson Limited Hybrid Amazon Grey instead of waiting for this thing and got it below MSRP.
I still find it funny that Dodge is now a Italian-American-French company based in Amsterdam through Stellantis.
Sadly that's true and by the looks of it it's getting worse.
I just wanna see an SRT version lol
Love it.
Just buy a v6 rav4 at that point. Its older but you get 270 hp for like $10k and its reliable.
That’s a lot of money , I’ll stick to my CRV touring only because I like the cargo space , wish it was a little quicker but gets good mpg for me
Great looking car
Thank Alfa, not Dodge, for its looks.
Where can you buy one, it’s none in Georgia
They are just beginning to arrive at some dealerships
I like the color
Should of made it RWD Bias so it could have the ZF 8 Speed. Team that up with the 3.6 Pentastar and that's pretty good bargain starting at $30,000.
They make that car, its called a Stelvio. Not close to 30K though, that's impossible.
Kona N is the subcompact with #'s similar. Its 35K but currently thers won't be one in the resigned 2024 model. They said they may do a full N again with redesigned but it will be electric.
Nline is all there will be at launch, 195/195 with the 1.6T and 8spd traditional transmission. They ditched the DCT for new model.
Now were talking if that price holds. Much more reasonable $ compared to the RT. This I would buy but its 35k not 30k like you said, same as Kona N with similar performance #'s
I'm keeping my KONA N, with mods I'll smoke these in my sleep
Hyundai made the Kona ugly, IMO. I wouldn't consider getting the 2024 model.
I like it!
Looking at how that engine is wedged in there mechanics are going to hate working on that thing.
I like it allot, personally I think the GT should have an option for PHEV. A 325hp 360tq combined awd crossover would be a monster on the street. The GT as offered isn't really that impressive, just another version of something every manufacturer offers. Looks wise and for the RT trim depending on the price is very tempting.
It’s pretty impressive when you are currently driving a Chevy sonic hatchback with 138hp lol. I’m sure that they will have more performance oriented models later IF it sells well enough.
I feel strange about this vehicle. I feel like it is out of time or something hehehe. Or maybe the design??? I don’t know. But looks cool.
Since Dodge is seemingly trying to market it as a ‘hot’ compact suv, I can’t help but feel the benchmark is still going to be the Kona N. Similar size, comes in at under 35k and has driving dynamics that make you forget it’s fwd.
Why delete the sunroof?
I wasn't expecting a doug demuro type review but at some point you just gotta try 😅
Why was the sunroof deleted and deducted from the price??
I think it was a parts supply issue
Not a Dodge fan, But thats nice looking
Car looks great hope the reliability is there but I doubt it.....
If it's anything like my last three Chryslers, I would expect it to be extremely reliable. Out of the last three I've owned, I've only had to replace one parking sensor, one alternator, and a passenger side front hub. If you take care of them they will last at least 200,000 miles.
That said, I would never trust a first year production car from any company.
Dodge should get back into economy sedans, and bring back the avenger or the dart
they won't bring back the dart it was the second least profitable car they ever made, great car though.
If I got this, it would have to yellow or green with plates that say "Waspinator" after Beast Warz Transformers
Or cuinshop
The only sheet metal unique from the Tonale is the hood, front fascia and exterior lamps. The rest is all Alfa Romeo.
It’s on STILTS!
This is a nice jeep compass
Wasn't the Hornet an AMC name? The AMC was how many bankruptcies, take overs/partnership to get us to Stellantis?
Before there was an AMC, which was a merger of Hudson Nash, there was the Hudson Hornet in addition to the Hudson Wasp.
Chrysler bought all the AMC names in 1987. Glad to see the Hornet name again.
should have made Levi's addition. the coolest hornet👍👍👖👖👖👖
That was the Gremlin.
@@lostcat9lives322 had a 75 hatchback 304 3 speed Levi hornet x
Maybe they could put wrangler jeans in Jeep’s 😊
Would mind if we had a 7 speed manual 🤔 but does not mean that I will buy
the dude behind the wheel sits on the second row and talks about the capacity😂😂😂😂
Hahaha this video makes me think Frasier Crane if he went to do vehicle reviews lol😂
Ordered it still haven’t gotten it but I’m already gonna return it going with a gmc instead🤷🏻♂️
One pos for another pos. Makes sense.
What amazing looking Alfa Romeo
the wheels look weird, they should be more towards the outside
We bought a '21 CX-30 Premium. It operates like a Swiss watch, and the interior looks and feels like it was lifted from a Porcshe. Nothing on the market comes close at its price point.
I love(ed) Dodge. I have a '22 Scat.
There is NO WAY I would take an Alfa engineered Hornet over a CX-30.
to me front end reminds me of the Dart
I really wanted this car because of the horsepower… my father said go with a car thats proven, mazda…i came this close to getting this dodge, but opted for the cx50…anyone think i made a good decision?
terbaik dodge. from in malaysia
Wait about a years time to get one between quality issues and there will be rebates on these. I personally think the interior looks amazing and the exterior isn’t bad either.
And then 3 month waits for recall work when the transmission clutches give out at 30k
The Hornet will either be a hit or dud in sales.
I like these alot but a little wary of Alfa quality.
Making a car into an crossover is fine. But I’d like to see a hornet “car” to compete with the MX-5
Niceee!!!
Nice SUV
Yeah...No. Even at 36K, I'm not paying that money for an oversized Dart. Bold of him to compare the stylings to a Charger or a Durango. It's a big Dart with a liftgate
When I originally saw this I didn’t like what I saw AT ALL ….. today I’m a little impressed… I even like this color…. Normally I go GREY ! hum ….but 40k ~ I’m STILL holding out for the RAM DAKOTA ( extended CAB ) resembling a RAM not a 700 !
Gives Honda vibes from every single
Angle
Except Hondas are well built and reliable. I own two with $120k and $270k miles, respectively. This is an Alfa Romeo based vehicle, good luck with that.
Nope, as a chrysler service advisor, I see so many 9 speeds and auto stop/starts coming in.
I'd rather have a mazda than a dodge. Unless QC is actually doing their job at dodge now Mazda will last longer
I'll take the Mazda CX-30. Reliability is very important to me.
Part of me loves that this vehicle is not actually a Chrysler product.
Yet part of me is scared that it's an Alfa Romeo product.
Perhaps you need to talk to some current Alfa owners. I think you might be pleasantly surprised at what they tell you about their vehicle experience.
@@rlsedition From what I have heard, Alfa reliability is dreadful.
I'd like that information to be incorrect.
@@Incomudro1963 Well, the company has been around for 112 years now and some of those decades products were better than others. I've never owned an older Alfa, so I can't comment on them, but I can tell you the current Giulia/Stelvio are, indeed, good and reliable cars. The first couple of model years had battery issues, but otherwise there are no major issues (check the Giulia forums like I did before purchase). Understand that both these products were designed by a team headed by the same guy who developed the Ferrari 458, and it shows in the driving experience, even in the 4-cylinder cars.
@@rlsedition Yeah, I'm not one of those people who believe that just because a manufacturer had its share of trouble prone cars at one point in time - must mean things will be that way decades later.
I drive a VW GTI now, (I've had it for eight years) and many people will tell you that VW's are about the worse cars out there reliability wise.
That hasn't been my experience with this car at all.
I'm willing to believe any brand can get its act together.
@@Incomudro1963 Agreed. I owned a 2017 GTI for 4 1/2 yrs and now have an Alfa Romeo Giulia - both no problems at all.
The only thing that's visually appealing about that car is the color. Seriously, did Dodge have their design interns crank this thing out during a lunch break? The only requirements appear to be "make it look like a Dodge in the front," and "make it roundish like all the other small SUVs in its segment." "Oh also this thing is based on an Alfa so don't change too much about it."
I'm not sure who Dodge thinks the target market for this thing is, but I have to assume that massive amounts of intoxicants factor into it.
The sheet metal is the same 😂Still a great vehicle though