Is the 2023 Dodge Hornet GT a BETTER performance SUV than a Hyundai Kona N?
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Is the Hornet GT is all new from Dodge. On the outside you will see the optional wheels, Brembo brakes and function hood. On the inside there are Alcantara sport seats, flat bottom steering wheel, and 10.25 infotainment screen. Under the hood is a 2.0L turbocharged inline-4 mated to a 9-speed automatic transmission. Is the 2023 Dodge Hornet GT a BETTER performance SUV than a Hyundai Kona N?
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LOVE,LOVE!!! this ride,bought the GT Plus,with Sun Roof, Cooling seats & AN extra tier! Very FAST!! Gray~Blue color Red interior ...this is an OUTSTANDING SUV. Very happy with my purchase!
If dodge was serious about making a performance suv they should give that honor to SRT. Bring back SRT 4 from decades ago
SRT is dead as we know it
Exactly
The GT is like the base model. They are making an r/t starting in the 2024 model year.
SRT technically doesn’t exist anymore
Srt4=neon😂
Test drove one today and walked away impressed. The steering is sharp and well-weighted, good ride/handling balance and the engine has plenty of smooth torque. It's a handsome cabin for the price, too.
Thanks for sharing that great experience!
The old FCA platforms handle well with well weighted steering. This was even true of Dart/200. Unfortunately, driving dynamics do not matter to many people (Toyota & Ford buyers are proof).
I would go with the Alfa Dodge knowing my friends will mock me
As an owner of a 2023 Hornet Gt, I absolutely recommend this vehicle! It is truly and experience!
Sweet! If you don’t mind me asking… did you lease or buy? I’m just wondering what leases are looking like on these, especially the GT / GT plus. Thanks.
Do you use regular or premium gas?
@@1kenstarpremium is highly recommended by dodge
" an experience "
I like the way it looks, but i just don't trust the reliability.
LOL I love the way you threw Steven under the bus about the dirt on the pedals/carpet. You guys work very well together. Great review, Joe.
Right now in North america, Kona N is unique, for the price and the performance for a hatchback with ground clearance, nothing come close. Only the Mercedes GLA AMG 35 or 45 can keep up, but it cost a lot more. I love mine!
Work for Hyundai in Canada sell 3 of them very cool vehicule.
@@markx787 whats the engine code/name for the Kona N....I cant find it in my owners manual...
After driving it, the software/tech inside is really nice. It is fast and not a bad ride. Not as unique exterior wise as an Alfa and I wish it had slightly better economy (hybrid for that purpose versus power shot). Is it worth what they’re asking? Nah, but it’s a fun little SUV.
I also hit 157 mph in my Kona and the toll road I was on was running out--
It's a dorky car not an SUV.
Be honest, is there any vehicle worth the asking price? 😂
these days literally everything is 5 to 10k overpriced or more.
That SRT-4 is insane. Clean ones now are so rare and awesome when you see them taken care of. Some of my favorites.
Looks great, the GLH looks even better! Im holding off until the 2nd or 3rd iteration just to be sure.
Its not going to make it to the 2nd iteration. This is going to be like the dart. Nobody wants this
@@VanquishedAgain I don't necessarily think thats true... But that why I'm waiting. I was so excited for the Dart and I purchased a new 2013 Limited...boy was that thing a piece of crap.
I owned it for about 4 years and had at least one major issue per year, along with a lot of other ones... By far the worst issue I had was when the break booster went out on me while I was driving on the freeway. I had to use the hand break for roughly 6 miles. Fortunately, I was able to make it home without getting into an accident.
@@VanquishedAgain There were a lot of pre-orders for the Hornet, I think this is going to be a popular model this decade.
Can't do Dodge man, even their trucks are hotdog water. However, always a solid review Joe.
😂😂😂 asking their daddy Fiat for money just to make these wacky cars
Basically an Alfa Romeo
@Arizona Colour Anyone who would take a Ram 1500 over a GMC Sierra is completely delusional.
@VileSinner666 guess we found the gm fanboy. Can you even afford a new sierra or even ram
Well seeing as though Dodge hasn't made the trucks in over 10 years, I'd say this guy doesn't know what he's talking about
I hate the auto start stop feature. But I love that it's right by the engine start stop button because once you start the motor you can turn off the stupid auto start stop instead of having to reach to a different area.
It's no longer USA Dodge it's Stellantis. With the US auto mandate to "light-duty vehicles sold in the U.S. to average 49 mpg by 2026." You'll have to depend on the aftermarket to get the HP your looking for. Like the no fake exhaust outlet look of the rear, ty.
I Concur. See the new Peugeot 2008 based E-Jeep that just went on sale in Europe.
Kona N is badass! Especially the sound and the looks (but only in black)
Yes sir, I agree...I have the black one 2023...when you wax that black...IT LOOKS AMAZING!!
Sonic blue, black wheels, black vinyl top
LOL Dodge is insane charging over $40k for a 4 cylinder turbo with a bunch of plastic trim!
Agreed hard pass
23 KN owner since January of this year. Although the Hornet GT is badass, the KN is just too amazing and fun.
And priced perfectly! Dodge overpriced this suv
@@kevin-qc7zv I highly disagree. You truly wouldn’t understand unless you have one.
Dodge is off their rocker with this nonsense. They somehow managed to give us a high powered, yet slow, heavy, raised hatchback. With a ridiculously high load floor in the rear with a bunch of wasted space under the floor (either give us a full size spare, or lower the floor). No idea what they're thinking. For what? So you can have a flat floor rear middle seat? This is a waste of metal, rubber, and plastic. And for $41K msrp? F THAT. Get yourself a Civic Hatchback, with 24.5 Cubic feet behind the rear seats, and even more with seats folded down. It'll ride better, and give you better gas mileage. If you want speed, get a Type-R, or dare I say an Elantra N, or the Kona N. If you want a small SUV go with a Toyota RAV 4, or a Honda CR-V with 37.5 and 39.3 cubic feet (respectively) behind the rear seats. All can be had for less or close to the price of this useless Dodge (maybe except for Type-R with dealer markups).
I feel like they have benchmarked the Mazda CX5 when they designed this. Very similar style and size. In my opinion inspiration from the Mazda is a good thing.
Yes, I work at the port in Eastern Canada. We receive these for the Canadian market. The only difference between the Dodge and the Alfa is the nose, taillights,steering wheel and dash. Will be interesting to see how Dodge fares with this.
I like the g/t and I have been driving the r/t plus hornet as a loaner car while my vehicle is at the dealership for warranty repairs for the past few days, I do enjoy driving it, has a good turning radius an easy to park, it definitely feels faster than the numbers suggest, overall I do really like it, what I don't like is the price, the loaner r/t I'm using here in Canada is over 65k, and for that reason alone I won't get one, if they drop the price by 15k-20k I would get one, but no way it's worth 65k+, sorry dodge.
I will admit, this car really is growing on me. I am kinda considering one of these I just maybe should wait a year or 2 for another model year improvent
By then, Dodge will probably be out of business.
I I would go with the Kona N. This thing looks better inside and out but it needs at least 330 horses and 360 pound feet torque. It weighs almost 3800 pounds.
Yes good point the Kona N has more hp and weighs about 400lbs less
290 in the Kona N is plenty but there’s a guy pushing 499whp in a Kona N.
Seriously bro the Kona Flies compared to this. The hornets are slow as sin. I test drove one and it was boring as hell
Well I do agree with the hp and tq but I guess aftermarket to get there and weight it is slightly bigger and awd cars weigh 2 to 400 more but will hook no wheel hop and this thing has the turbo easy to get to waste gate and downpipe I see a future here and a 9 speed just needs tuning done
@@ryandyson5398 the problem is with awd you also lose a lot of power there too. Trust me bro you wouldn't even consider this if you drove a Kona N and this car back to back it's laughable
Tip: either you’re doing a video on the Dodge Hornet, or you’re doing a comparison between the Hornet and the Kona N. If you’re doing the latter, have a Kona N on hand for the comparison.
Tip... He knows what he's doing smarty. There are literally individual videos for this and that car. This is meant to be a follow up to the Kona n video. You're a newb.
@@teehenessy3020 , this is a Dodge Hornet review. Not the, as you note, already reviewed Kona N. We don’t need constant comparisons to that one other vehicle.
Maybe several vehicles in that range, but not a narrow comparison to one vehicle.
he even says it in the title ....durrrrr
@@brianfeeney3936 , cool. So where’s the Kona N for the comparison?
Usually, in a vs video, the other car is there, too.
Nice review Joe, any Dodge that has GT on the rear should definitely have dual exhaust-Big misstep by Dodge..
I don't like flat bottoms😉but still looks good.
The old FCA platforms handle well with well weighted steering. This was even true of Dart/200. Unfortunately, driving dynamics do not matter to many people (Toyota & Ford buyers are proof).
I would go with the Alfa Dodge knowing my friends will mock me
Awesome review Joe,I could see an Srt hellwasp if dodge decides to compete with the Kona N or something. Nice job joe Lori and Steven. 😊
Sonnyball: REMOOP.
@@ericB3444 where are you ericball? The cubsters are getting worried.
Hell wasp lol or Yellowjacket just get rid of the lingering hell
@@ryandyson5398 yeah 👍
Top speed is 140 for the GT 128 for the R/T Hybrid.
Thanks for your great info.
@Raiti's Rides You're welcome keep up the great car reviews.
Dodge has me confused. I went to their site to check out options and prices for this, and saw several differences.
They list the GT Plus as having ventilated seats and it also comes standard with a sunroof, but you said it didn't have ventilated seats and I saw no sunroof in this one.
Also I didn't see any "Track Pack" available as an option on either version, unless that's just standard with the GT Plus.
Thanks for the great information. Nobody is more thorough than you.
He said in the video that the GT model comes standard with a sunroof but this specific one didn't have the sunroof because it's a pre-production vehicle.
Hi Joe, nice nice Dodge Hornet GT Plus I feel like this is a very very nice SUV. I dig the fake vents & the flat black fenders give it style as to a plain & boring piece of sheet metal & we don't want that.
Hey Joe what happend to the first drive of the Canyon At4x?
JOEYBALL forgot. He was trying to jack a 1996 hyndai excel to repurpose its motor for his lawn mower.
@@ericB3444 whahahha boop CUB
@@DarkJediChrisG-1425 REBOOP.
@@ericB3444 NOPE. REBOOP VOL 2
As a Kona N owner, I don’t even like the name of this video.
Oh imma watch it. I still don’t like it though. 🤪
Additionally, my functional front vents on my Kona N have been triggered. Thank you for coming to my ChrisTalk.
Why would you comment before watching?
Joe, when is the live stream even at Walker Ford? Is it this Sunday, May 7th??
I didn’t even realize you were revving the engine. I had to max out the volume 😂
pretty sweet, can't wait till you get hands on the R/T! 😁
Rati giving Steve a hard time in this video - funny.
Never seen Raiti's rides, so I thought I'd watch long enough to get hp, torher, and mpg, and then all of a sudden the video's over, I'm subscribing and commenting. Very personable and interesting as well as useful if ur in the market. Well done. Cheers!
He gives you life lessons and car lessons I love him 😂
Looks great, the GLH looks even better!
Watching this while sitting in my Hornet GT Plus 👍🏻
Great review Joe! Oh I thought this was the Alfa Romero Tonale? Haha cheers Kirk
Gotta give Steven a zonk for the dirty pedals 😂
Love seein that Floods on the job with Raiti heck yes
He is the best!
Enjoyed the review. That MSRP.....ouch!
Liked just for the peroxide tip😂 Dad used to put us through that torture growing up😂😂😂
I respectfully disagree with your "zonk" for the start/stop disable button being placed next to the start/stop ignition button. It's actually very convenient and well thought out to place it in that location because many people will start their car and immediately disable that feature every time they start their car. For that reason, it makes sense to place it next to the ignition button. In the world of lean manufacturing and process improvements, it is considered best practice to place items nearest the location where you will use it, so you don't waste time searching.
Thanks for your feedback Rich!
This comes with an ice plunge in the spa and a wall of hornets that can be released to sting YOUS tooshy.
Ouchy
@@DarkJediChrisG-1425then hornets know RAGULA and won’t sting you since YOUS know of her.
@@DarkJediChrisG-1425each hornet is also trained to do a remoop on weekends only with you.
@@ericB3444 👍
Yeah, Dodge definitely could’ve lowered the rear opening considering there’s no spare under the floor. So much space going unused.
12:06 ventilated seats are available if you don't get the Track Pack
Joe still grinding hard on a Friday. Of course. Keep it up Joe and Lori!!!
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I have not driven a Hornet as of yet, but I have tossed the Kona N around and honestly it is not a SUV in my mind nor is it a Hot Hatch per-se. I think it is more of a crossover in that it is more spacious than a Hatch, but not quite a SUV like the Tucson, Santa Fee, or Palisade.
The Hornet is almost 10 inches longer, 12 inches wider, has nearly an inch and a half longer wheel base, is 2" taller and the Kona N adds the height of the roof rack rails to the overall height whereas the Hornet didn't appear to have any. The Hornet has an extra gear in the transmission but does not offer a DCT; however, the RT and GLH do offer wheel mounted paddle shifters. Then you need to look at the ground clearance on each vehicle; the Kona N sits much closer to the pavement which is going to give it far better handling in the twisties with much better feedback. The other thing that is surprising is that the Hornet gives way to the Kona in the power output area on top of being almost a quarter ton heavier.
If you are looking for the better spirited driving experience on road the Kona N is going to be better suited; however if you want a more take the grandkids camping and fishing off the beaten path with supplies the Hornet would probably serve you better in that regard and still allow you to get your turbo rush every now and then.
I already own a Santa FE XRT for the AWD SUV duties, so for me it would be the Kona N simply for a tuner project; that is unless they squeeze a turbo Hurricane 6 with an AWD system and an 8 speed DCT with paddle shifters with the performance pages drag pack interface, then I would have to go with the Hornet and call it the Killer Bee Edition.
The hornet has more room and better off road capabilites which is something to consider. If I got the hornet I'd take the GT Plus for 35k and avoid the higher trim level. 35 thousand would be my limit for this vehicle
@@Patrick-gl4lu yeah the Hornet is more comparable to vehicles like Honda CRV, Toyota Rav4, and such. If Dodge is banking on nostalgic nameplates and trim packaging to sell this I think they are in for some disappointments.
Hi Joe! I MISSED U!!!!!!! THATS AN AWESOME CAR!!!! IM YOUR BIGGEST FAN!!! ❤
I would love a little performance SUV. But always been a Toyota/Honda guy. I would consider a Honda HRV- Si model if they made one.
I swear if the kona n had awd I would get one.
I much prefer the Hornet R/T hybrid model. An electric motor will give you better zip and MPG.
Enjoy your 1.2L shit box
Who is cross shopping the GT and the R/T??? Bizarre. If people are remotely considering the Kona N, it's a performance vehicle full stop. The Hornet GT is a warmed over version of the standard Hornet with AWD. What does being a hybrid have to do with it? Since I have owned nothing but turbocharged cars for the last two decades, no hybrid but performance oriented ones can beat the Hornet GT.
@@dj4monie Hornet R/T you’ll be spending 47K out the door .. For a little 1.2L engine backed up by a electric motor .. No Thanks .. I’ll stick to my GT Hornet with a 2.0L and add additional mods that will easy beef it up to 300HP
@@dj4monie The R/T has the "powershot" boost button which gives it a nice fast 0-60 time. Yes, they are charging an outrageous 10k more for a slight increase in instant torque, and better MPG's. This is the insanity of the current auto pricing regime, whereby any efficiency improvements are more than cancelled out at the point of sale; the additional insurance, depreciation, and reg fees would cancel out any fuel savings of the car. It's sad. We just can't have nice things.
I wish they would do a new car that’s a mixture of the challenger and the charger but make it an suv. Like a Durango mixed with a track hawk. Name it the Dodge Lightning.
The kona recieved a redesign and should be coming to North America next year!
Growing segment? That segment grower several years ago and it packed
Throw on some after market 265 wide tires and you’ll really have a ball.
The GT actually has a top speed of 140 mph. The RT's top speed is 128 mph. The 0 to 60 is more like 5.6 seconds. That 6.5 Dodge advertised was watered down to create more appeal for the RT model. The Hornet is still behind the Kona N in speed but these are the accurate performance numbers.
Don't expect reliability.
Yep
Or customer support/services
You can't "push" anything into your ear canal unless you have no eardrums. Otherwise you just run into your eardrum. But yeah peroxide does work, you can use a syringe without the needle attached to inject some hydrogen peroxide in your ear and let it leak out. I use both...Q-tips for regular cleaning, and peroxide occasionally. Never had anything "get stuck" in there.
You can get Ventilated front seats in the Hornet. My local dealer has ( Blue Steele GT Plus AWD ) On the window sticker it says ( Ventilated Front seats ).
Looks good. Better than Kona
I would agree with that statement!
I like the way it looks, so that's that. Mine is "In Transit"
Oof...makes me sad. Why? For the life of me, I don't get ppl like you.
Thanks dr. Joe for the wax removal procedure😅
Awesome looking for sure and that red goes with it.
“I’m gonna have Tony earn his money”😂😂😂
I have a Kona N. It did awesome with Car and Driver lightning lap.
Definitely will I be adding one of these to our collection of high-performance dodges when it hits the market ... Love it ❤
The Dodge family of vehicles still seems sparse, even though they've created a more hip suv. I was happy for years driving my Dodge Dakota, finally moving up to a Ram Laramie, which I absolutely love. My growing criticism is for 2023 all vehicles sustained a substantial price increase. Specifically the Laramie, and the Limited, even though you knowingly paid more for what you're buying, not only did the price increase, but they TOOK AWAY many features and add-ons we were used to getting depending on the level of the trim we were buying. That tells me, the company doesn't cater anymore to their customer base, and some of us may eventually flee.
EDIT: First time watching your Channel..very thorough and informative! THANK YOU!
This will be the only vehicle I afford it Joe.
“Same old key fob since Noah made his Ark”🤣🤣🤣
" Ark "
No.
I sat in one at a dealer today.....cheapy materials. No power seats? Seriously? On a 35k (before silly dealer tries to add a 2500 market adjustment?) Car?
The door pocket is incredibly cheap plastic and will degrade poorly.
The buttons for the AC are practically made to break.
The center console is ridiculously cramped. From the cup holders to the stash box to the space in front of the shifter.
#Fail
At the price point and configuration, this car's competition is probably Mini countryman JCW. Kona N is more of a CX-30 territory in terms of their position in market. Car characteric wise hornet is more like cx-30 in a way that it's primary focus is a daily driver with some spice, but I wouldn't bring them to track. They have track hardwares like brembo brakes and etc but their engine cooling design and rest of the fluids won't be able to handle the track unless you upgrade them as well. JCW and especially Kona N are track capable cars in stock form that can also be used for daily drive if you are willing to sacrifice some comfort and convenience.
I feel like the hornet is going to be a successful selling veichle. It could use a SRT-4 but they did bring something that came before srt which is the GLH.
No way. Nobody is gonna buy these things. The CX30 is cheaper and way faster and has a way better reputation. People buying these small boring suvs want reliability.
@Midnite_392 no its not. The Hornet is more expensive than virtually any other non-luxury option out there and as if dodge reliability wasn't bad enough. This is built by alfa romeo which is a bonkers decision. I'll be shocked if these things make it 3000 miles before winding up in the shop again
Joe. You keep forgetting the DIMMING REAR VIEW MIRROR
It's been a lot of years since I've had a measuring tape out with my friends...
Is that a good thing?
Came for the car review, stayed for the ear care tip! 👂
It's not a bad looking vehicle despite the Alfa Romeo styling cues the Hot Tamale color is spicy but the Hyundai Kona N beats this in terms of reliability and quality.
I wouldn't say that, reliability wise people are late to the party. The difference between cars is less than 2% from the most reliable to the most unreliable. What you would consider unreliable you can't afford anyway. Have a nice day.
@Anthony Thomas dude. I owned four straight dodges. Their initial quality is crap. Poor interior materials, warping door panels, bubbling nav screens, misaligned panels... it doesn't matter when you werr getting 485hp for 40k but now you're paying 40k for this... like no way
@@VanquishedAgain I've owned a Dodge car myself and yes quality sucks like I said no matter what car we have or had in the past vehicles have their issues
@@dj4monie so how would you know what I can or cannot afford?🤔🤔
@@bryanwashington9511 there has to be a payoff tho. The Hornet isn't good and the hornet isn't cheap. So why would I buy it? I didn't care about the quality issues on my Scat Packs because they were the best bargain kn the planet. When I went to get a other one I found that they were all now 60k (from 40k in 2020 go 60k in 2022/2023 🤯). No way I'd ever spend 60k for a Scat pack. No way I'd ever spend 53k for the Hornet RT. I wouldn't even spend the 41k that this is asking for. The GT is a 30k car fully loaded. That's what they should have charged and 40k for the RT tops.
Nice suv ❤
I would prefer those same wheels in Polished Aluminum or Chrome. Not a fan of Black Wheels! I like the fact they have struts holding the hood up instead of the cheaper manual stalk found on much more expensive vehicles. I disagree with you regarding the placement of the "on/off" start button because my neighbor has a new one in White and everything is ergonomically correct.
First corner Kona N leaves Hornet in the dust.
You better believe it!
This time round Dodge hornet gt have failed the Dodge fans with the exhaust sound
Why no zonk for no spare tire? Why no zonk for fuel filler on passenger side? Why no zonk for not being able to get a production version with power seats but no sunroof so tall people can get good leg support but don't have to bump their heads on the sunroof surround. And the placement for the stop/start defeat button is perfect because after you hit the engine start button you can move immediately down to the start/stop defeat button to turn it off and save your starter motor.
Thanks for sharing your zonks!
The Go like hell model looks sick. Please check that one out when it comes out
I love it Joe and Lori and keep up the good work and I love the video 👍 💯💯
Dodge will never disappoint always on track
Thanks for calling out the lack of exposed tail pipes. It really makes it seem like a budget commuter, not a "performance" anything.
That might be the best red I've seen yet.
It looks nice, for an SUV. Still, I'd rather have a coupe/sedan.
The flat black along the wheel well isn't that bad. At least it only covers half of the well and not the whole thing
I’d have to see this in person before I start any critique. Regardless of trim and specs so far it’s not impressive or special enough to grab my interest.
There was a day many years ago that I was a loyal Chrysler / Dodge / Jeep owner, but those days are long gone. This thing looks ok, but even Joe is of the opinion a Kona N is better.
I like it but I can't buy it when there's no exhaust showing
This is gonna get the Dart treatment
Only you can make a $41k car appealing. For the money, it’s not too shabby.
Yea it is. This thing is 30% overpriced.
If anyone is looking at it, i would look some where else if you really want a good vehicle. Mine is having so many issues. Dead battery, transmissions shifts very hard into and out of 2nd which is now doing it in other gears and the radar needs to be replaced the day I bought it. The vehicle is now in the shop, was supposed to get brought in yesterday, if it was brought in, the service manager stated it would be brought in til Mid March. The warranty for vehicle issues is absolutely terrible even though its called MVP warranty coverage. For a warrantable failure, they will only pay for 5 days for a rental no matter how long it takes to repair. I dont have rental on my insurance which I should have, but shouldnt have to with a brand new car.
I like the name of the color. That’s about it Joe. Lol
I'm surprised you weren't excited about the hood struts. Usually you love talking about them.