Unfortunate Fail: The 2023 Dodge Hornet Throws Every Warning Light Possible On The TFL Slip Test!
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Hey everyone, thanks for watching! We have an update on this story taking a deeper dive into what happened here. Go check it out! ruclips.net/video/qRL7HHPOPJQ/видео.html
I plan to check out the relevant video ASAP. That’s although in response to the test where only one wheel was on the ground, the test driver never managed to get the crossover SUV unstuck. Perhaps the problem can be resolved, in the real world, with a good set of snow tires as much as I:
- dunno how soon if ever, I will drive such an SUV in the winter
- find it strange the SUV is manufactured only in the extreme south of Italy given the only sales of that SUV to be overseas until further notice
7:00 Aren't you supposed to disconnect the positive connection to the battery to reset the computer???? You still have juice if you only disconnect the negative. Gotta down vote this one.
There’s so many people doing test, driving cars do you notice are all flapping, her hands up and down the back and floors
Lol dodge forced them to post a video explaining it
@@JumboRelic If you "still have juice" while the negative is disconnected, then why connect it in the first place?!
"Italian made Dodge"
"Every possible warning light is on"
Yup, sounds about right.
Dodge always made trash.
Even American made Dodge is garbage.
At least they usually make cars with personality to make-up for all the mechanical issues. This doesn't even have that.
At least Dodge is consistent! 😂
@@walterarroyo5220 Whatever you think in your wet dream of ignorance -- but at least the American made Dodges ran.
When you buy a dodge made by Fiat, owned by Peugeot who in turn is run by the French government. You don't own a Dodge.
This one is an Alfa Romeo Tonale
Dodge always made trash
i think you got a couple things wrong: 1. it's Renault that's owned by the french government, 2. this is a rebadged Alfa Romeo Tonale so basically it's fiat that runs the whole shebang..... so it's a steaming pile of crap
Same with RAM
Not like it being a pure American built Dodge is a good thing or advantageous.
This is a real step up in reliability for Dodge. I'm impressed.
😂 😂
its a rebadged alfa romeo
Alfa romeo tonale
At least the lights are working :D !!
LOL
These newer cars have almost every system integrated with each other which means that if one fails it will shut off another to prevent damage but sometimes they go too far. When I worked at Toyota some lady came in because her check engine light came on and her 4wd shut off..
Turns out she left the gas cap open 😂
Lolol that's funny. A TOYOTA of all vehicles killed the center clutch because it thought the engine was gone because of a loose gas cap.
I giggled
...yep, my 2020 Ford went into a systems panic exactly like this a few months ago...the culprit?...one broken wire on the left front speed/ABS sensor...lane assist failure, ABS, traction control etc...etc...all lit up because one sensor lost signal...even the headlight system went down when ONE bulb goes out...awesome when you're driving at night and have to use the high beams to get home....turns out when it did it again six months later (summer not using the low beams at all as DRL's are low power to the high beam bulbs), turns out whoever manufactures the H11 plugs for Ford and a number of other makes is faulty...
Same with my Subaru. TCM went out and the car disabled all safety features.
Yeah it's stupid i have a 2010 corolla and its abs and traction control shut off for any engine light, and if the gas cap is a crack open or has a bad seal its an engine light.
When "Have you tried turning it off and turning it back on?" Is a reasonable option to repairing your vehicle, you have too many computers in your vehicle.
This is the most Dodge thing to ever happen in your tests.
Dodgy...
Should have Al Bundy there for the test. He enjoyed pushing his Dodge lol
All it needs is an Italian tuneup! Cuz its Italian. This all started with mr Iacocca willingly bending over with the Chrysler TC by Maserati 😇. Too many hands on too much stuff. I guess they didnt learn nothing from their module issues from the 90s.
Cars these days are basically computers with motors and wheels. So, it all depends on how well the software is designed. It looks like Dodge went with the cheapest programmers they could find.
I didn't know what you meant until I got to the 5:30 minute mark lol.... imagine buying this brand new car showing off to your friends and this happens with all the lights coming on ha ha..... this is why nobody shouldn't own a vehicle that is owned by fiat that's owned buy another company and that's owned by the French government... nobody can't blame one company
That’s hillarious, the fact that not only did every light come on but it actually disengaged 4wd and left you stuck 😂🤦♂️ I wish I could say I’m surprised
Well, that also happened to a Ford Bronco owner -- while he was on the trail: No 4WD and had to limp home in 2WD. However, Tommy being on a concrete pad @ home (well, on the ranch) was not quite "being stuck." Unless he's a Mall/Curb-Crawler only, then yeah, he'd be in BIG trouble. ;-)
-- BR
Fix It Again Tony.
@@billredding2000 it can likely be chalked up to pre production/ FMY but people buy crossovers because they think they can go anywhere. So I could see somebody taking this on a slightly to tough dirt road and getting stuck.
by disconnecting the battery for a few minutes, the computer will reset and you wont be stuck for very long
@@ThomasVeilleux That used to be true, but newer powertrain ECUs store faults in nonvolitile (permanent) memory. Any active faults will only clear once the demature requirements are met, which is what Tommy was noting once he started driving.
I worked as an advisor/writer at a chrysler dealer recently, I had so many 9spd vehicles come threw with electrical bugs, aux battery failures, and shifting issues. We've only been making cars now for 125ish yrs..... when we have 300-400yrs of making them they may get some of the bugs worked out 😂
well dodge/Chrysler/jeep are just dogshit poorly made cars
Ah, the legendary ZF 9-speed. The Finest In German Engineering(tm).
@@ClockworksOfGLI thought the ZF was good. Is it trash?
All the 9 speeds from Chrysler have issues
@@platanomikeyklk1455 I think Chrysler is really cornered the American market for horrible cars. I see the ZF transmissions in all sorts of cars and trucks. I would assume all ZF transmissions aren’t the same and tuning, cooling and specing have a lot to do with the quality.
Glad you guys do real world testing with no favoritism. Just the truth. Hard to find these days.
If it broke during a test, imagine under normal or snowy conditions?
It is pre production tho🤷🏾♂️
@PostalJay Understandable. However, that gives me less faith that the actual product will be durable or reliable. Can't wait to see.
@@JDMSwervo2001 bro stfu, thats not an excuse here
@@JDMSwervo2001 Bow down to your master Dodge
@@JDMSwervo2001 bow down to your God. You're black, no wonder you're defending dodge. Yikes
I was cracking up after every possible service light came on 😂💀
Yeah…me too!😅🤣😂🥳
Oh that was so funny! You laugh at the dumbest things!
@@josephsmith2063 over 130 others do too it appears 🤷🏻♂️
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@@josephsmith2063 Hey bro, you ok?
the test went great! u got the true experience of owning a Dodge.
Great test. I appreciate that you went through the typical process of resetting the system short of using a scan tool, which I wouldn’t consider a typical owner to have. Interested in the follow up.
Nice to know that if you were to ever find yourself in a situation in the snow or ice with no traction, your car will entirely break down and forget how to car. Beautiful.
You typically don't get traction on ice with regualr tires.. which is part why these tests aren't a real measure of anything relevant
@@ion123456 Stop driving on ice with regular tires full stop.
No matter if its awd, fwd or rwd you need winter tires on ice to stop the car in emergency braking situation.
Just because you can accelerate somewhat on awd with normal all season tires on ice does not make it safe or recommended ever.
@@ion123456this is absolutely relevant. It tells us this car is a pos.
It’s junk. I feel bad for anybody who buys it, but like with Jeep, you have to know that you’re not getting the most dependable product.
So just like a Tacoma
If they were aware that this is an issue in these pre-production vehicles, why would they send you one to test? Why not do the repair first? This just makes them look terrible.
Possibly because the problems have been surfacing with the pre-production vehicles already out in the field. The cars are sent out to reviewers, issues start happening, and the company is told about those issues. Doubtful the company knew about problems first, and then sent the vehicles out.
@@anthonyc1883 i hope you’re right about that. I really don’t have a problem with Dodge and I really would like to see them do well but when you see stuff like this, I just shake my head and wonder.
Because it's a Dodge. They're built to fail.
You make a fair point and we don't have a clear answer for that. In the interest of fairness though (and hopefully in pursuit of running a more informative test for folks buying the production Hornet), we will run this again with the update to see whether that does actually fix the issue. We'll get that published as soon as we can get the Hornet back to test again!
Because they understand that our society is comprised of incompetent dolts who will buy anything that is advertised on tv.
Had a similar thing happen on a 2017 civic, for me the case was that a wheel sensor got uncalibrated. It fixed itself, randomly.
this actually happened to me once in a jeep grand cherokee! 2022 model, every single sensor went haywire and had to drive it for a bit to get the senors back
I'm thinking it would be a good idea to have an OBD2 reader on hand, so you could at least hook that up and read off the Check Engine code to see what's going on.
Yes, and a team of software engineers and advanced diagnosticians, and nasa engineers, and.....
I've had a dodge/Fiat EV and a normal OBD2 reader will not communicate with their systems, and using the wrong one can actually damage the computer by plugging it in. There are some you can download that may work but if not then you are stuck taking it to a dealer to read codes or you need Fiat's multi thousand dollar reader.
On modern Dodge products you cannot read read/erase codes with a regular OBD2 reader. It requires a security bypass. They do this because a few years ago it was discovered that their vehicles could be hacked an remotely controlled.
I was thinking the same thing.
FCA units come with a "Security Gateway Module" so, only a dealer can acces to the diagnostic network. The dealer or a guy like us in México that we have magic solutions
Getting no power steering or abs when stuck in the snow seems like a recall waiting to happen
Absolutely, and I can just see that now.
End of video he quoted the Dodge rep who said "We are aware of this issue with our preproduction vehicles and will fix it with a flash update to the software (ECU)" so no recall.
@@jvc85 but knowing the history of modern dodge I would say it can be quite possible that the issue comes back in lost production. I mean I worked for Toyota corporate and we would benchmark vehicles by looking at other brands. And plenty of preproduction issues that were “fixed” In many brands ended up going to production anyway. Just not as severe.
@@fluffysharkdatazz9460 Well yes indeed, its not the first time American car makers ignore serious flaws (This has happened to other makers around the world too) that end up in serious lawsuits and recalls. But I would think they will fix this issue when they actually comment about it, if it will fix it 100% is debatable and easiest to check with another test. But for this issue to come back after being updated would say more about the techs at Dodge than anything.
Seems like some deaths waiting to happen. What an awful unsafe system. In the Canadian winter on a cold isolated long road people die from being stuck. This is literally untenable.
I'm glad that you provided the retest video using competitors, showing that they had the same fault. It's not just the Dodge Hornet. All of the commenters below need to watch the retest video.
We had one we got off the delivery truck, and it had the same problem.
The clockspring was out of calibration from the factory.
A broken Italian Dodge. Huh. Shocker. I never, ever ever, would have guessed that to even be a possibility
they are a passionate ppl, just not detail oriented....
Another brain dead opinion 😂
FIAT hates those rollers
Italian, French, American.... A Dodge is a Dodge 😂
You might be surprised to hear Alfa has come a long way with reliability. This test result is sad to see but let's see how they handle it and if it solves the problem.
Excellent video. This is exactly what we need to see before spending money on these things.
Even if it really turns out to just be a software error, it goes to show why you never buy a vehicle in its first year of production. Especially a Chrysler product.
Thanks for watching! This issue may just affect the *pre*-production cars (which are the ones we normally get on media drives before full-scale production starts). The cars actually shipping out to consumers should have the necessary reflash so this won't happen, but we obviously wanted to be open and transparent about our experience, and this may prove a useful reference point if buyers do in fact have a similar problem.
We're working to get the Hornet back with that software update as quickly as possible to test it again and see whether that fixed the issue, and folks can go ahead and buy the car with confidence. More on that soon!
👍👍👍
@@TFLcar To me this is just a Dodge being a dodge lol
@@nodak81 stellantis own dodge
Excellent video. I hope this is not a issue on every model.
Well excited to see if firmware can fix this. Keep us posted on the update.
LOL, firmware your behind! The best thing to fix it is to never drive this POS in the first place!
I was waiting for one warning to pop up saying “GET OUT!!”
That would have to be an aftermarket part for a couple of reasons.
I was waiting for ASTA LA VISTA BABY
or, "I'm Sorry, I can't do that Dave".
Ahh that's hilarious 😂😂
The warning is already on the center caps and the headrests.
An unreliable Stellantis product? No, I'm shocked, totally shocked!!
The really sad fact is that these units that go to press are also sent to another company that makes sure they are gone over with a fine-tooth comb to ensure they are as good as the manufacturer can make them, since these are obviously high visibility vehicles for the company. And they STILL fell apart, lol!
Remember when they towed with a brand new f150 and the water pump went out lol happens to them all.
Yes, it just goes to show that intelligence is not additive. It could have been worst, a 5 loser car group with Nissan and Renault added instead of just 3.
I'm shocked , that you would be shocked.
It's basically an Alfa Romeo too
Great test ! Have u done this same test on a Chevy equinox RS ?
Good to see Dodge making improvements on their vehicles
Thats the problem.. just stay with what works. They've been selling beauty cars with the 3.6L or 5.7L with the 8 speed for 10 years now, and then they just decide they have to try something different lol. Classic big Corp management wanting to put their stamp on things.
It probably assumed there was snow on the ground so it shut itself down as Italian cars are known to stop working when it gets a little cool out. Good job Dodge…
I bet they never tested it in severe weather
They're also know to fail when the sun is out, or it's a little rainy, if you put air in the tires, or you try driving one all the way to the grocery store and back.
Don't blame Italians this is American junk
a Fix It Again Tony moment
Good job Tim kuniskis.. he’s responsible for dodges downfall
Manufactured in Italy:
"They never sorted out electricity, have they?" - James May
Most of what Italy manufactures you can't afford.
@@tedunguent156 Thank God. Imagine having the money to pay for expensive low quality.
@@tedunguent156 That's even worse considering how bad the build quality is.
@@Trussme96 LOL Ask someone who knows what they are talking about. LOL Gucci, Ferrari, Moto Guzzi and Ducati just to name a few brands that you know nothing about.
James May??
Isn't he that British car guy that live s in England. Land of bad food, bad teeth and horrendous cars? Land where where Brit s are slowly being devoured by immigration. The place with an Indian prime minister??
Doesn't Jame May know that Italians were pioneers in electricity? Volt comes from Mr. Volta. Batteries were invented in italy. Radio was pioneered in i taly.
It's not just a Dodge issue. (Looks like a multitude of manufacturers have issues like this as well, judging by the comments) It happened on my Mitsubishi Outlander Sport in deep snow. The lights stay on for some time, even after vehicle reset. Requires a mechanic/dealer with a higher end code reader to turn the lights off, or it will fix itself in a few days or a week or so. 🤷If the snow is consistently that bad in your area, don't buy something this small. Get something higher off the ground with real 4x4. This was made for an inch or 2 of snow tops on plowed/treated roads.
the drivetrain control module seen the wheel was not spinning and thought it was a dead sensor. the module has the ability to put the car in reduce power mode to protect the drivetrain. the PCM let's the ABS, crash detection system, and Power steering know the car is in reduce power. then they fault out.
We need to have a follow up to see exactly what happened
We're working to get the Hornet back with the necessary reflash as soon as possible so we can show you guys whether that did fix the issue. Stay tuned!
Fiat-Chrysler-Dodge-Peugot engineering happened.
@@TFLcar dude i was gonna get one one these and you just saved me. Gas prices be damned im getting the challenger i wanted, sorry family lmao
@@djhowell5273 *sees how unreliable a dodge is... goes and buys a different dodge* lolol
@@djhowell5273 no my boy, I'm still going to get a charger wb scat. Don't let your dreams be memes
UPDATE, the fleet manager was found unconscious at his desk with all his warning lights on! Another pre-production glitch they suspect.
This comment is gold 😂
ATV seat Exchange Facts !!!
That is off the charts hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍👍
Good thing it isn't Russian or an open window and a dead body would be found.
@@puffnstuff12 I understood that reference.
All of the electronics on my 170k mile 10-year-old BMW work flawlessly. How the hell are they already broken on a brand-new Dodge.
Weird that this happened but my 2017 Civic Si used to light up every single light on the dash when something was wrong, it had a K tuner on it and sometimes it would read rich and set every single light off until I reset the engine code.
3 wheel slip test you did is awesome for showing "True" AWD performance in colder climate. Hopefully it's only software and not damage like when an AWD vehicle is towed behind a tow truck.
The fact that this happened shows a lack of pre production testing I’m wanting to assume?
@@markasmith99 or it's a one of issue....try not to paint a complete car line based on one video...
@@Deke1fair but it’s still a fault that could kill someone
@@Deke1 Are you kidding?! This is nothing new from Dodge. I worked for Dodge transferring cars between dealers and the brand new vehicles I was driving from state to state would frequently have some electrical issues from minor to very major. I would take one for free from them!
That's the last press Dodge TFL gets 😅
a turbocharged , hybrid , AWD chrysler product sound slike the stuff of nightmare reliability legends
Imagine that, Dodge wiring with a hint of Italy. The fact that it didn't catch on fire is a miracle.
Wow a test that actually could happen in a Canadian winter. Hard pass on this car.
Hahahaha is anyone actually considering this 30k garbage
@@ellwoodwolf This is 30k???? 😮
@@jamestorrens645you must be vaccinated 😂
@@jamestorrens645u must have fetal alcohol syndrome
@@lapoose325 LMFOAOAOAOAOO
when i was 16 i got a brand new 2013 dart. i drove nice through the 500 miles break in period and around 750 miles my friend and I decided to do some "spirited" driving around the back roads. coming around a long sweeping corner around 4-5k rpm i got the full christmas tree and the car shut off. sat there on the side of the road flipping out that my dad was gonna kill me. pulled the battery for 30 seconds and then reconnected and thankfully it started up and drove with no issues after that. so this is not surprising to me at all
Love the Italian styling of that lit gauge cluster...
Dodge and it's mother company has some splaining to do. I'm sure they will say user fault but this video is definitely informative. Thank you.
He says at the end Dodge acknowledged the issue and said what the fix is
They better get this fixed before this video gets hundreds of thousands of plays
@@ellwoodwolf385k right now
This isn’t actually a smart test to do. It’s the equivalent of oversizing your wheels, spinning the wheels while driving down the road causes transfer case issues because the computer thinks the car is going faster than it is - larger wheels you’re taking longer to achieve more revolutions. (So this in turn causes issues with transfer case and differential). Obviously this is minimal because the wheels are moving at a slow speed and are controlled and dyno testing for upgraded cars will use “rollers” and controlled so the car doesn’t even move. While I don’t think all the lights should’ve gone on necessarily it’s just an anecdotal example of what’s happening - many cars don’t like for this to occur.
@@ryanc2927la-bla-bla. All makes can handle it easily except dodge. Now try to fix all that warnings. In my case, in similar situation, I changed icu and half of the car. And nobody really knew the proper way to fix this car. And I tried dozen dealerships. So it sounds so familiar to me.
This tends to happen with newer vehicles. They really hate doing things they don’t like. I did a single donut in a 2020 Civic Si and the dash lit up like a Christmas tree. I continued driving because I needed to get home and the lights shut off 10 mins later lol.
Wow, you are awesome! I would have never dreamed this happened in new vehicles! 😶😳
How do you do a donut in a civic? Lol
LSD+snow+manual=fun in any car
@@Yophillips3272 lol haha in reverse
@@CharCharTV fair enough 👌
I am fairly confident that this is a "software" bug. So many systems are now controlled by a computer in cars that it takes good software engineering to assure that you integrate everything correctly. This is an example where unit testing failed because the exact condition reproduced by the reviewer was never even considered to be a possibility to test against so this very corner case has no clean exit in the software resulting in effectively bricking everything to protect entire system from actual damage.
If I was faced with this situation (all warning lights on), I would try clearing the ECM trouble codes with an OBD-II scan tool. If there's nothing physically broken in the powertrain, this might solve the problem. No gaurantys, of course, but OBD-II scan tools that can clear trouble codes are available for under $50, and they are handy to have around if you do any of your own car repair, or just as a check to see what condition your car is in, and if having one on hand saves you a trip to a mechanic, it's more than paid for it's purchase price.
Hey Tommy, for future slip tests, could you draw an arrow (in chalk) somewhere on the tire so we can easily see how many full tire rotations are needed before the vehicle moves?
That's a really good idea 👍
As a former Chrysler tech...seems nothing changed on new models. I was there when the all-new 2014 Cherokee launched, boy!
Did the later model year Cherokees ever become reliable?
@@0HOON0 I have a 2015 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk I bought it used about 3 years ago - think there was just one other owner, all I have had to do was change the battery and the oil and I just hit 80K on the odometer, so far best car I have had, my previous cars were GMC Yukon (older one) and a Hummer H3, loved the hummer but engine was the smaller one and had to replace the tranny and radiator on it and I only went wheeling with it once at Hollister so nothing major, then a few years later started to make other noises from the front axel and at that time I did not have the resources to keep throwing money at it so I traded it for the jeep. Jeep has been awesome so far (knocks on wood)🙂
Yep, are they available to buy right now? I’m driving to my Dodge vehicle as I type this hoping I can trade in my 21 Toyota Venza! I haven’t felt this enthused about a car since I purchased a 2005 Chrysler 300C. With that car, I was on a first name basis with the Service Manager at the dealership! I want that feeling back. My Venza doesn’t have the beautiful display of colorful warning lights like this Dodge and it never needs servicing. I need this Hornet. It should do very well in a Minnesota winter. Go Dodge, way to keep up the mystique of “crap on wheels”.
@@0HOON0 I have a 2019 and it has some quirks (thanks ZF-9 transmission), but with 80K miles - it’s been very reliable. GIve Jeep 3-4 years to figure a new model and they get to at least average reliability :)
I had a 2014 Cherokee. It had no major problems during the years I owned it. Sadly, it got totaled in a crash.
“Every light in the house is on the backyards bright as the crack of dawn! Front porch looks like runway lights, kinda like noon in the dead of night.”
One of my first cars as a kid in the 80s was a beat up 70s AMC Hornet. It just kept going. It ran and ran until I tried to wash the engine with a water hose. There was no internet and I didn’t know any better.
1. the bus never went to sleep when you turned the car off. you have to wait at least 5 minutes for the computers to shut down completely
2. that little plug on the negative battery terminal needs to be unplugged BEFORE removing or you’ll get a check engine light because the BCM will not be able to sense it and you’ll have to reset the ecm with mopars scan tool.
As a Land Rover owner, I 've never seen so many warning lights in my life.
Together ? Or one at a time ?
Land Rovers generally only have 75% of MIL lights on at any given time, not 100%
@@TerryOffDairy I probably shouldn't jinx it, but my '08 LR3 currenty has zero!
Because the warning lights don't work 😊
Oh you made me LOL, as an old Audi owner I agree
Remember the Dodge Dart? I was asleep in my friends apartment before I could move into my new house. Wole to a loud bang at 1am. Opened my eyes and saw orange light from the window. Dodge Dart had blown up in the middle of the night.
Was there ever a moment where you were like, "Uh-oh, they are never going to give us a press car again." lol
The Do NOT BUY light came on too.
😂👍
Man, this thing would NOT survive the apocalypse whatsoever.
Can’t even survive a trip to the mall either 😂
Cant survive a light breeze
Yeah but someone is going to pay good money to get one of those "Rust bucket" wraps applied on everything including the plastic bumpers.
It wouldn't survive turning into traffic leaving the dealership lot.
They need to get a Subaru Outback Wilderness and study how and why it works so well.
What a relief.
It still carries Chrysler/Dodge/Fiat's quality.
I grew up in Northern Wisconsin on the shore of Lake Superior. 4WD or AWD is a necessity. And yes, a scenario with loss of traction for three wheels is very plausible.
Seems about right. I recently traded my ‘18 Jeep Wrangler for a ‘23 Ford Ranger. I loved my Jeep but it was one thing after another. Front brake rotors rusted at 5K miles, a rear axle seal, a clutch sensor, the clutch recall (they’re apparently coming apart), frame welds rusting, a strange short that would occasionally cause a loud “pop” through the sound system that would reset the radio, and finally the dreaded galvanic corrosion. I traded it with 24K miles on it & got almost what I paid for it.
I've driven nothing but Jeep GCs since about 1996 (or 1997? -- I've had 5 of them) and the worst thing I ever had was a transfer case issue on my 2002 model (actually that was my fault as I apparently mis-performed or forgot to do the electronic drive disengagement function before towing it behind my RV for 400 miles --yikes. But I find them to be dead reliable?
@@Mandolin1944 I’m hoping I got a fluke! My ‘98 Wrangler SE (4cyl/5speed/soft top) was an outstanding little vehicle & I made the mistake of selling it to one of my buddies in ‘09 or so. He still has it & loves it (& let’s me know about it every chance he gets)!
Dang that’s crazy, we have a ‘19 wrangler and it’s been nothing but great, only thing we get is that loud pop from the speakers every now and then but mechanically it’s been flawless. 70k ish miles
I loved my Wrangler. And hated it. Electrical issues. Bad welds (leaks). Poorly assembled transmission! Issues from month 1 through year 7. Why do I miss it?
"I traded it with 24K miles on it & got almost what I paid for it"
Those KBB top-10 resale threads every year are really fun because the top ~5 is usually 2-3 body-on-frame Toyota's and the Jeep Wrangler.
Many cabins here in Colorado have a Jeep and a 4Runner parked out front. The Jeep for having fun, the 4Runner because you need at least one capable reliable vehicle.
Lucky you live in the mountains ,I recommend finding a nice high cliff(aprox.1000 feet) and push that P.O.S. off of said cliff because in the long run that will save you money.
Glad to see dodge is getting more reliable
Cars are no longer cars when the first answer to most problems is to reboot. 😂
Need a scanner to clear all the codes in case it snows and your wheels slip😂
I keep one in my car. I drive a Fiat 500! 😁
My car's never thrown a CEL.
Why? Isn’t there a warranty?
Yep. Pretty much what I'd expect considering Alfa Romeo's long reputation of electronic issues. I miss Dodge being an American company.
As a former owner of a '74 dodge dart, i can tell you dodge has a long standing tradition of 'dodgey' electronics. Coupled with Alfa's rep for the same, what could possibly go wrong?
Dodge wasn't any better when it was American
@M To be fair, there was nothing worse for a car in the 60s-80s to be than an American-built car.
Source: 57 horsepower 6.7 liter v8 engines with 7mpg to a full size sedan with a compact interior.
@@mirlov true
Dodge has always been garbage.
This suv was meant to be a luxury car 😂 they really said “keep it in the garage during winter time”
The jury has determined you can't break something that's already broken 😂
AWESOME COMMENT, thank you! 😅🤣😂🥳
Your Defender threw a check engine at 100 miles and couldn't be fixed and now the new Fiat500X/Alfa badge engineered Dodge throws every light ? Awesome coming from across the pond !
My dad's Volvo lasted less than a month. Avoid everything from Europe at all costs.
@@baronvonjo1929 our Volvo got 200k miles lol.
@@cherrydrivereviews8930 Honestly good for you. Unreliable cars are such a pain and awful to deal with. But we will never consider anything from Europe again. Other brands there share poor build reputations.
@@baronvonjo1929 my father has the 2012, Volvo XC60 that I told him to buy back in 2012 when I was 12 years old. I don’t know why but I always love Volvo since I was a little kid and he decided to go for it and we got the five cylinder diesel engine with 163 hp. A few weeks ago my dad broke the clutch after 132,000 km because he used to pull a van with horses and I guess it was too strong for the car because it wasn’t all wheel drive. It is front wheel drive, but anyways we looked at new cars, new volvos etc… and they are absolutely trash. They have four cylinders they’re not reliable they’re all plastic and the repair at Volvo wasn’t going to be cheap but just to say that this car is 11 years old. It has been with us since 2012 and it hasn’t let us down once it hasn’t broken down it hasn’t had any reliability issues, and it’s one of the most reliable, strong and best sounding five cylinders out there. Just to say that European cars are not unreliable just newer cars are like new volvos (which are chinese owned by geely) etc… but older European cars are just gold. They last like a beast and I’ve seen people with the same car and they have done more than 500,000 km.
@@dylanlopez1320 Eh true. Lots of American brands had some decent stuff but seem to struggle a lot now.
In other shocking news, "Someone claiming to have a warning light on their Toyota Corolla, turns out to be a false alarm, it was their seat belt light"
Dodge Response: Looks normal to me
I was recently sitting in a Jeep Wagoneer with the extra display in front of the passenger. Imagine the possibilities... They could double the warning lights for Stellantis vehicles 😁
The passenger will get to feel first hand how it feels to own a Stellantis product 🤣
@@RossMKF1 Facts. I know a guy with a 2018 Compass, 140k miles, replaced TWO throttle body assemblies last year alone (both requiring a tow when they failed), and since purchasing new he's had to replace seven factory radios. Total cost: over $4,000 for two throttle bodies plus install and dealer calibration, I've never cared to ask about the radios since he probably blows them out from cranking them up far beyond the point of distortion. I would consider that to be Operator Abuse, not necessarily crappy factory radios. (Although it IS Dodge, and they've had some really wimpy radios over the years, so...🤷♂)
This same guy scoffed at my '99 Cherokee, 170k miles, the only repairs I've done that weren't wear-and-tear was a power steering pump, headlight switch, and signal flasher module. None of those failures required a tow or disabled the vehicle. Total cost: an acceptable $500.
My vehicle is appreciating in value while his depreciates. 🤣
This happened to us in 2015 on our new cherokee Trailhawk, dealer told us it was a faulty steering rack
Expensive repair. I had mine repaired a couple years ago.
I wonder if the faults get worse in the winter as your tests are done in nice weather.
Yep, i been there, with similar issue. And most amazing thing, NOBODY know how to fix warnings without replacing half of the car, at least in dozen dealerships what i visited.
A US brand with large V8 vehicles as the only positive goes French/Italian - the future is not bright. Who knew a rebadged Alfa could have electronic/quality problems...
I really appreciate guys like you who do real world test, and show how bad these new cars really are
Versus the ones in the 70’s where brand new cars had trim fall off? Or engines completely destroyed? Rust when they rolled off the truck?
How is driving on portable roller in any way real world ?
@@michaelmartin2276 Because it simulates ice or mud? Things that exist in a lot of the world? You've never seen ice before or something?
@@Caffeinated-DaVinci Lived in Green Bay and Chicago for many years. Putting a car on metal rollers is nothing like real world. Snow and ice act quite different. Like causing the vehicle to slide sideways or even backwards. Most people learned to drive in these conditions who live in these areas . Most did so in 2 wheel drive because 4 wheel drive and all wheel drive was not the norm.
@@michaelmartin2276 Well when u can't have actual ice or mud, u make do. I think rollers is pretty close to how it would behave in certain conditions.
Hornet: Swarming to a Dodge Service Center near you.
I see Chrysler/Dodge reliability has been maintained under its new ownership
Holly crap !!! 40K worth of junk.. Sorry what they've done to you Dodge.
Dodge was already a disaster before they did anything. Nothing actually changed.
Dodge was always junk even back in the days fiat Md the French now made it worse
I think Dodges and Chryslers days are numbered. Only Jeep and Ram will be the survivors of the original ChryCo mark.
I agree with you here.
The Dodge haters always love to jump in and talk trash.
I've owned 4 Chargers. All of them excellent. No issues at all. My current 2020 SPWB is awesome as well. But when Fiat got it's mits on this company things were bound to go to shit. But look at Ford and Chevy now too. Both are struggling with quality control and unreliable trucks and SUVs. Didn't Ford stop production on the Lightning again. Chevy's at the bottom of the list in reliability on consumer report.
I mean, it's not like Dodge ever made a reliable small car.
First the Lightning, and now this
I'm noticing a suspicious trend of hybrids and electrics completely failing when you use them for literally anything outside of highway and city driving...
Dude looks like John Dupee from To Catch A Predator. … John? Is that you, guy?
So if you get stuck in the snow your Dodge will blow up trying to get out. GOT IT.
@Cee Having a tow truck driver on retainer as well.
@Cee i have a real dodge and it dragged a chevy half ton through 3ft of melting snow for about 300 feet
@Cee just tow a snowmobile behind you at all times. When you break down, abandon the Dodge and take the snowmobile home l
Wow, my wife and me were considering purchasing this Dodge Hornet, and now thanks to your thorough review of its all wheel drive system and its multiple malfunctions we have decided not to even look at the Dodge Hornet, we even canceled our pre-order. You saved us the trouble of buying a new sour lemon!! Now we are just going to wait until you test the 2024 Chevy Equinox EV to see if it passes all your tests. 👍
We were looking at them too! Not anymore! I've owned cars like that and it is not worth the time off work or being on a long trip and the car lights up like a Christmas Tree 600 miles from home. Nah. Guess we will be back to the Corolla Cross Hybrid. Not fun by any means, but it will start everyday.
What were the positives of the Hornet that caused you to make a pre-order?
@@0HOON0 My wife and I like it's exterior and interior styling and the base GT can be ordered with just the performance options making it much more affordable, key work here affordable price much more than its competitors, and a great compromise. Our second choice is the fully electric 2024 Chevy Equinox with the LT3 package. I test drove the Ford Bronco Sport and it was a bit too small and very, very expensive for its size due to Ford's insane markups, I would not buy a Ford either. We also test drove the all electric Toyota BZ4 SUV and we did not like the way it looked on the outside and terrible design of instrument panel blocked by a too small steering just awful and hard for me to see through, a deal breaker for me, and I am a Toyota fan. Now I'm just going to wait as long as possible for the all new 2024 Chevy Equinox BEV road test and reviews I like its styling inside and out, just need to know if it will last longer than the warranty period. I keep my fingers crossed 🤞.
@@LifeAfterLosing I might go with the all new 2024 Prius Prime plug in hybrid, eventhough it's a bit pricey, Toyota's are built with top notch quality second to none!! I am from Puerto Rico and Toyota is a religion in my island, people worship Toyota's durability and reliability!! 👍
You base all major decisions on some dork with a youtube video? Weak
🤣. It needs a light that says “don’t do that”
Lmfao
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"Every single light is on the dashboard."
Every FCA Dodge Owner: First time?
"Communications array damaged"
"WELL WHAT'S NOT DAMAGED!?"
"Air conditioning is fully operational"
If you buy the car, you also have to buy an OBD2 scan tool to leave in the glovebox for when that happens again.
Tbh it's a good practice anyway.
But I bought the OBDLink MX+ scan tool (which is a bluetooth model) and it works with several apps. I own Ford vehicles which also gives me an open-source Ford-Specific software for Windows that lets me do some service tech level stuff.
OBDLink's mobile app is the one I use for 'Advanced Diagnostics' like Transmission modules, ABS, Airbag etc. but the live time data is SLOW to refresh.
But for anything to do with live time data, Torque Pro for Android. Hands down. Fastest refresh rate and great dashboard customization.
FORScan (for Windows) is the Ford-Specific software which gives some tech level stuff, I can program PATS keys and perform several services through that, and there's a trimmed down version for mobile, also.
Made troubleshooting my new-to-me 2003 Ranger's lack of Cruise control easy. Along with a few other bugs that seem to be result of the truck sitting parked for too long on the dealer lot with a dead battery.
An Italian built Dodge Hornet just makes me want to just get AMC Hornet.
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The start up chime is hilarious 😂
You did say it was a pre-production vehicle so I imagine they have not worked all the bugs out yet in the computer software. Now if they send you another one later on and it does the same thing then we have a big problem
Cannot believe we went from muscle car Chargers and Challengers with bulletproof small block drive trains....to a boring crossover SUV based off an Italian made POS. Amazing.
Seems like Stellantis is cutting corners on testing and development and just throwing caution to the wind.
Tim Kuniski killed Dodge
2k miles and already has the Christmas tree of death. Quality.
Hell even my work vehicle, a Toyota Hilux, lights up every warning light it has sometimes because a sensor up front was damaged after a kangaroo encounter. It eventually clears the errors itself, but does happen from time to time. Perhaps here too it's just one sensor in "the chain" which is setting off a chain reaction.
Nice real world test and results. A follow-up video would be interesting.
No it wouldn’t
Yes, the on camera reaction of the Dodge rep, as he tells him what happened with their POS.
It succeeded! Any Stellantis product is designed to have all the lights illuminated. Warning lights may be the only thing that function all of the time.
I'm glad you're still alive after driving a prototype Dodge made in Italy
Only time I’ve seen all lights come like that was after changing the battery on newer Honda crvs. You have to drive it til it reaches about 30 mph and everything goes back to normal.
Tommy have you tried this test with the 2023 Jeep Compass? Since the power train is almost identical, I’m wondering if you would have the same issues?