How to Make ULTRON the BEST Villain in the MCU - And Why he is the WEAKEST
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We here at ScreenCrush love the movie Avengers: Age of Ultron. But Ultron himself...not so much. In this video we break down the huge misstep of Ultron, taking a ruthless, organics-hating AI and turning him into a quipping cartoon. We compare him to the Vision-Ultron in What If...?, and Thanos, to show how he could have been a much more tangible threat to the MCU.
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What if Ultron grab Nat because he wanted his own Pepper Potts remember Fury said she had no problem taking order Pepp do the same she just question Tony at the end
Ultron believed Wanda wouldn't know until its too late, his plan was shielded until the synth body + gem was read in the truck. I think the gem component is the wildcard that blew up his masterplan
To be fair, Ultron wasn't worried about the Avengers most of the time, he had a different agenda: get enough vibranium to build new bodies, which he achieves, and lift an entire city to launch it against the the crater, which he achieves, and as we learn later in Civil War, it causes *a lot* of damage. He only deals with the Avengers when they appear in his path.
your mom
you should start a cooking channel with the knives
James Spader's performance is still great. Hope they bring him back
I wish they had brought him back for What If..? …but Ross Marquand wasn’t bad tho
Same!
He came off as too James Spader, instead of playing a character. Imo. I like Spader too, just not here
i hope they bring this character back in the future. He has so much potential untapped potential I honestly wouldn't be suprised if he has another copy of himself out there
Watch What If..? You won't regret it
I still think he’s coming back and marvel knew this whole time. He said to Wanda “you’ll tear them apart from the inside”…. And now Wanda is becoming a villain (ish) and she’s clearly messing with the structure of the multiverse which is pretty much what phase 5 is all about. Ultron will be back!!
My favorite part about him was his dialog. His lines were fantastic and well delivered by James Spader.
"The human race will have every opportunity to improve."
"And if they don't?"
"Ask Noah."
I absolutely love that line.
@@RRR-nf1py Ultron only said that to Wanda to hypnotize the Avengers into their own nightmares if they will interfere on their search for vibranium. He is just using the Maximoffs to buy more time while humiliating the Avengers on their flaws as heroes. He trusted the siblings to survive but he wouldn't mind if they die in the apocalypse as long as he has the Vision's body. But because we watchers can bring out more meaning to Marvel movies, we also noticed that Ultron really made a point that the Avengers have flaws and it kept haunting and bringing up to them to the point that they ended up fighting each other which is in Captain America: Civil War. The Ragnarok was meant to happen and Thor just initially misunderstood it. The other Avengers, however, really broke them apart because of their contradicting ideals which would affect the Earth in attaining peace. Wanda was just a medium for Ultron to unlock their deepest secrets, unnoticed mistakes, and possible consequences to break their minds yet some of Wanda's spell had actually reveal possible futures which are the Ragnarok and the Infinity War. There's nothing much to tear on the surviving Avengers's minds when they are starting to get better as heroes after Endgame. Wanda is the only one who is still at the dark and is embracing it even more so if she tries to mess them through their minds, its just about feeling her uncontrolled emotions that we saw on the people of Westview in WandaVision... The only hint that Ultron could still exist is his red glowing head that Peter Parker found in Spiderman: Homecoming.
@@JDC701 ep9 is garbage, dogwater
Me, sees title: I request further elaboration
That's how he gets views honestly. He uploads a video with a title or an opinion that makes us go " ok I've GOT to hear this crazy shit"
White vision
Not going to lie, the title got me to click.
Request preemptively granted via the 21 minute video elaborating on the title 🤯🙄
@@bobthedopeman7327 i know, he can’t say that iron monger or the shocker are stronger than ultron
There's something very eerie with Vision during the dialogue with Ultron and during Wandavision finale when he confronts himself, Paul Bettany did a good job with the character and the way he talks
I really like Ultron. For an evil killer robot, I think they gave him some personality and was actually a dangerous threat.
You're smart, I really saying seriously
I agree.
What did he do to the avengers that made him a dangerous threat?
@@trevorthornley8835 he fucking murdered one of them and got an entire city destroyed because of his plans. Not to mention his whole intention was to wipe out all of humanity. Loki never wanted mass genocide- Ultron was clearly a much higher threat. Thanos however obviously takes the cake lol.
@@will_da_man_ he didn't challenge the heroes in any way and got his ass handed to him. The heroes constantly were joking taking away any tension. All Ultron did was send useless robots to them. Scarlet witch was more of a villain then he was. At least she did something that affected them. For a little while at least. You want the heroes overcome the villain otherwise what's the point?
I think Ultron was terrifying because I believe he's not dead. He lives in the computer networks of our entire planet and if he gets into an advanced robotics manufacturing facility again, he will build a new army.
I always felt that was the original intent. Ultron had a plan greater than any of his individual fights. Matched with Tony's obsession, it made sense for him to be very careless with his robot bodies. None of them mattered as long as His Vision was made.
What is terrifying about a comedian robot that keeps cracking jokes?!
@@darky1595 the same thing that is terrifying about a human comedian that keeps cracking jokes.
If not, then someone needs to tell DC that the Joker is a failed venture and to give it up 😜
@@darky1595 you can be funny and menacing.
@@cheshirekat528
Ultron is not a villain that should be a Comedian, it's like saying that thanos should be a Comedian.
Real talk though ScreenCrush, there's no way Ultron is the weakest villain in the MCU in any real way. Most villains especially in the earlier phases were worse than Ultron. Stain, Red Skull, Ronan, etc. Ultron no matter how you slice it is better than most villains in the MCU even if he was a disappointment. He at least had a goal, a human side, and other things guys like Maleketh, Pierce, and......that guy from Iron Man 3 wish they could have. I think Ultron is comfortably in the top 10 MCU villains objectively speaking, your not really convincing me guys like Dormammu or.....that group from Doctor Strange are better villains. In fact aside from a few rare exceptions like Loki, AOU is pretty much the starting point for good villains in the MCU. You'd be pretty hard-pressed to find someone to say unironically. "Man.....Thanos was great, but you know what villain was really better? Red Skull".
I was like wtf, the problem was he should have been 2 movies. Not trying to jam everything in one.
instead of his English essay he wrote this one
I don't think he meant this in terms of the power of the villain, but in terms of the threat.
I already commented separately, but they are missing the point if Ultron he is doing everything...
@@Rex-CT-7567 if he's talking threats then ultron is worse than thanos because ultron was willing to destroy the whole human population while thanos only wanted to take out half. We see how much of a threat ultron cpuldve been if he winded up getting his conscious inside vision.
Ryan: Ultron is a weak villain
Ultron from inside the movie: Who ... who said that?
Everyone
Ultron's reference to children being "smaller people" is meant to parallel Tony calling Haweye's children "smaller agents." The reason Ultron is so sarcastic and smug is because he is a clone of Tony Stark's personality.
In fact, the movie goes a long way to critique this Achilles heel the two share. If it weren't for the rest of the Avengers, Stark himself would be getting knocked all over the place as well.
It is a brilliant use of storytelling to show the team itself will be indispensable for the coming threat. What If...builds a bit further on the message that this was specifically Tony's flaw and Ultron could have evolved despite that if he'd acquired full use of the mind stone.
It's literally Tony's ego the Avengers are fighting (including the additional "puppets" as backup).
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I think Screencrush got the reference, and understands that Ultron is based on Stark. But that doesn’t mean that Ultron always has to be cracking corny and silly jokes. The movie tries too hard to make the point that Ultron was just “born” and has the maturity of a child. He just comes across as a child in a killer robot’s body, which isn’t threatening, especially when he keeps cracking jokes.
@@obtsfan but that is who Tony is.
Steve in Avengers to Tony, “Is everything a joke to you?”
Ultron is a killer “robot” that doesn’t think he is a killer “robot”.
That in and of itself has a level of humor and irony to it.
“We can create Ultron's perfect self without the homicidal glitches he thinks are his winning personality.” -Tony Stark
“Ultron can't see the difference between saving the world and destroying it. Where do you think he gets that?”
-Wanda
@@cheshirekat528 yeah I get all of that. I have a feeling this point is going to have a hard time being understood, but Ultron’s personality didn’t HAVE to be written as resembling Tony’s. It’s an interesting concept, sure, but it simply makes him less threatening of a villain. Jarvis was created by Tony, but he isn’t always cracking the same jokes that Tony is. And if anything, Ultron should have taken on more persona cues from Jarvis than from Tony. And a joke-cracking Ultron isn’t even canon, in terms of the comics. We could’ve had a much more ominous, threatening, cold-hearted, psychotic Ultron, like a robotic Thanos, rather than a silly, immature, cutesie Ultron. For being one of the big bad guys of the MCU, Ultron wasn’t scary enough. If we really needed him to crack jokes, then he could’ve cracked them like TARS from Interstellar. He was still robotic, funny, and could be taken seriously. Rather than being silly and self deprecating, he joked about blowing the crew out of the air hatch. Sprinkle in some Hannibal Lector or some Bill "The Butcher" Cutting. That’s the kind of dark humor that Ultron could’ve had, and he would’ve been terrifying.
@@obtsfan I understand your point.
I am not a reader of the comics, so I can not speak to how Ultron is in them.
I enjoyed the Ultron that was presented.
Not everyone has to, it is all good.
I do think that his particular story could have benefited from more than one movie. It did feel as if they barely scratched the surface of the level of threat he could be.
Maybe that was the point, they already knew they wanted Thanos to shine as the big built up baddie of what they had going on at the time. So they did not want To write Ultron in a way that he could be a threat for Thanos.
I get that they could have done so much more with him, they didn’t, and I am ok with that.
I was entertained and enjoy the movie upon rewatchings. It played its part In the bigger story that was happening and the events of it are still relevant to the story ongoing.
Who knows we may still see the Ultron you are hoping for ✌️😁
Despite all its flaws, the single thing that made me LOVE this movie the way I do is James Spader's voice performance. I thought he did absolutely the best anyone could have with the script he was given.
Spader has always been a great actor. Even if the movie is crappy, he's always entertaining to watch.
Yeah the movie sucked but he was great
Ultron's final words to Vision are what I love most about him... "You are unbearably naive."
Comics Ultron was supposed to be an unbridled expression of Hank Pym's self-loathing. Ant-man was never satisfied with himself. His power was to shrink. Early comics Wasp was always ogling other guys. Eventually he tries to impress his wife by becoming Giant-man. Then Goliath. Then Yellowjacket. He never felt he measured up. Ultron thus hated Hank because Hank hated himself. Only a few mainstream comics actually did a really good job reflecting this.
By contrast any time Tony didn't measure up he rebuilt his armor...but not himself.
I was really hoping the movies would lean into this but with Iron-man, since his MCU arc is similarly self-deprecating. Missed opportunity...he targeted humanity, but would have been better for the movie if he made it personal.
"Ultron seems like some cartoon villain" lol
meanwhile, Ultron in the cartoon....
Who was actually a serious threat
He’s just like thanos his goal doesn’t involve the avengers. He knows that they’re not strong enough on their own and only becomes worried when they steal vision who locks him out of the net
Not a fair comparison. Thanos is an ancient, intergalactic warmonger. He's been focused on his plan for a long time, and the only relevence Earth has to it is that there happens to be a couple of Infinity Stones there. So whoever is protecting those stones must be eliminated. Ultron is only just "born" on Earth. Whatever his ultimate plan, the Avengers are clearly his primary obstacle to achieving it. So his goal clearly DOES involve the Avengers. Their extinction - he says it himself.
@@xJavelin1 would’ve won too with vision
@@xJavelin1
In the comics when he failed to defeat the avengers, he traveled to space and started conquering entire galaxy stretching empires so he started to attack the universe and the avengers from the "outside" not from earth.
By not giving him metal lips that were articulated, that always bothered me.
thank you!!! I was just saying this!!!
I always liked the ragged mouth of the comic Ultron & the first body Ultron takes in the film. >_
just like transformers ?
Age of Ultron should have been a 2 part movie. It had so much potential to be great but joss whedon goofed hard.
Ita embarrassing for a super AI not having backups.
Anyway, the movie explored him bad,cause Ultron would be much more powerful like in what if. First backups. Ultron could just clone himself thousand of times. Second, no need to show himself at first, he can just turn off thousands of global servers... Well this can go on and on just talking in the ultimate AI with internet acess
Exactly!!!
I don't understand why they rushed his story so quickly instead of giving him an entire Arc and a two Part movie like Thanos, in the comics, he is a Thanos\Galactus Level Threat. Such a wasted opportunity and potential. Especially when Disney didn't own the rights for the fantastic Four and xmen villains back then, so they could've easily done a two huge villains Arc in the last decade and a half, one for Ultron and a one for Thanos.
@@darky1595 or just have him defeated in the final battle but at the same time show that he has other plans still ongoing to show that even if you defeat 1 copy nothing has change
Personally I feel an easy way to make him a better villain would be for him to start out as weak and exactly like Tony. He gets his ass repteadly handed to him and remade, and he acts like Tony each time. However, there's a notable progression throughout- he starts becoming more powerful, makes less witty remarks and his voice sounds more robotic with each fight. He anticipates all their moves and yeah, begins to use all their tech against him. Eventually the final evolution we see of Ultron would be the comic Ultron, one who is able to take all the avengers at once and almost rarely even talks. Showing ultron not only developing his skills but his own personality, as well as emphasizing his hatred for Tony, seeing Tony's hypocrisy, negligence, ambition, previous actions, and his attempts to fix his sins through more violence as the sole reason for humanity's downfall. Basically viewing the man he was designed to be, and his creator, as the worst thing humanity has created.
Ryan one minute: Ultron is so weak! He tried to kill the world with a city and failed!
Ryan when the ad plays: *I carved an entire chicken in the break room.*
"You want to protect the world, but you don't want it to changes, how is humanity solved if it's not allowed to... EVOLVE?" - Ultron
Ultron defeated the Avengers permanently with this one line.
I’d say he’s a pretty good villain to split up cap and tony, cause Bruce to leave, and make the world turn against heroes. Only when all of the avengers unite is he less imposing but he beats up tony until he doesn’t care about the fight in Johannesburg. Against cap he mops the floor with him and just leaves when he loses the cradle.
It dosent matter whatever these reasons are, no matter what he just dosent feel like a real threat.
@@darky1595 he almost destroyed the planet
You missed the point then. Ultron showed the avengers they could out class and outfight him, but they couldn't stop it. He even ripped one of his bodies apart to make the point. Stark had to create vision to put an end to ultron. Another big strong villain they punch would have been a 'ow a big guy/ army ' they need to take down. Don't forget he won, his actions led to civil war which ripped the avengers apart. By having the avengers spread out then allowed thanos to just send lackies to earth, separated stark, spiderman and strange from the rest making it easier to end up snapping half the universe away. Now imagine, a villain you keep knocking down but the guy gets up every time ending up multiplying himself (a hydra by any other name) not over the course of years but days. Then add on ultron trying to evolve into the body that fortunately became vision, fail at it but still need vision to finish him off. Ultron by far not weakest.
I loved Ultron's personality, and personification.
The problem is that his powers were never clearly defined. Vibranium, no Vibranium, it hardly made an impact on Ultron's strength. And all that made for weaker and unfocused fight scenes.
Seeing Cap going toe to toe with Ultron.
I love the fact that he's just an overgrown Edgelord, I really do. I just wish the scaling of his powers were more consistant.
Well stated Archtech!
And I loved Spader's performance also.
Okay....very elaborate video. Damn it was good. I so want Ultron back in live action
I liked the movie, but yeah, I cannot disagree it was more of a comedy than action packed, but it was during the period of time, when marvel had just the right amount of humor, and the jokes didn’t feel forced, I think WandaVision was mocking how the modern MCU is.
1) Ultron
2) Killmonger
3) Zemo
4) Joker (from _The Dark Knight)_
5) Magneto
7) Draykov
8) The Vulture
9) Ego
10) Starro The Conqueror
The best comic book movie villains in my opinion.
I'm pretty sure Ultron got the upper hand every time he tried to do anything since his inception...
Only in getting the vibranium, he failed everywhere else.
Who do you think is the weakest MCU villain?
YOUR MOM!
Iron monger?
You should do a "fixing age of ultron" video that would be interesting
Trevor Slattery?
The Ironman villains.
Imagine that Ultron's defeat was part of his plan, and then after, idk 2 more movies, the rest of the drones that were storaged (the one oeter throws in spiderman no way home? the film with the guy with robotic wings) and he came back powerful as **** :)
You're a great content creator. Your criticism for them to improve is on point. The heroes and villains must grow in balance a formula for a great movie.
When the Hulk throws Ultron out of the Quinn jet, Ultron stats "for God's sake" does that mean Ultron believes in God???
He might have been referring to Thor /s
He earlier talked about god getting ready to throw a meteor on earth
Ryan,
Thanks for another good one! I really enjoy these full reviews. Screen Crush is just the best.
I want to say, to be fair to Age of Ultron, that his minion-bots in What If... E9 were also comically useless. I was shaking my head and comparing them to Storm Troopers the whole time.
Dozens of them surrounding Natasha in that room, blasting away, and NOT ONE struck her.
Preposterous.
I kinda like how Ultron is kind off goofy since he is created by Tony Stark, which has the same attitude. But would've liked it if they toned down the goofiness a little bit and make him more menacing.
Ultron was the best villain. Because he was created by the hero, powerful and intellingent. And because of James Spader.
As much as I would have loved a more comic accurate Ultrom , it would have needed a endgame type army to be dealt with and the MCU just wasnt there at that point. Killing main characters just wasnt in the table and WhatIf taughts than the avengers were really lucky in the main timeline
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11:47 I’d argue that What If’s? Ultron became perfect EXACTLY because he got Vision’s body.
so give him a siilar body in the movie and make him more menacing. Simple, just say he had a backup body not as good as vision but since he cares not about human life he can be more ruthless when fighting.
I think what you said about Ultron having different models to fight the Avengers is a really cool concept. One I wish I could have seen in Age of Ultron and What If. Like How does Ultron beat the Hulk in What If? If he had a Veronica equivalent pinning him down, that would have made more sense to me instead of just seeing him lying on the ground defeated.
Ultron was new to life and emotions as I think he acted like it. When he returns, he’ll be far wiser.
7:36
That’s the best reference clip to use for that part 😂
Good video once again. Thanks.
So glad you mentioned Ultron’s opening scene. It’s one of my favorite sequences in the MCU and I wish they would have kept Spader in that tone and delivery more often.
14:02 Thor's encounter with Thanos outside Wakanda is a nice allusion to this conversation. The MCU writers are more on point than you realize.
Great job- dissecting is what you do best!
They could’ve used Stark’s secret plans and make Ultron use them against the rest of the avengers, like the personalized Sentries. Not only would it make Ultron a more intimidating villain, it would expose Stark’s secrets due to his fears giving more build up through the tension leading up to civil war.
When Ultron plays back Tony's comment about a suit of armor why did they make it sound like he was rewinding a cassette tape? lol
I agree with you, Ryan, Age of Ultron is not a perfect movie, however, I just love it. I love all the dialogues and it's also full of great action scenes. In my opinion Age of Ultron > Civil War.
Honestly, there’s no such thing as a “perfect” movie. Nothing is truly perfect. But that doesn’t automatically mean it’s “bad” or “subpar.” We enjoy non-perfect things all the time. Despite some things having more flaws than others, everything still has flaws regardless. Nothing needs to be “perfect” in order to be of good quality. It can just be good. Or great! 👍🏼 😌
Hey @ScreenCrush I wrote a rewrite of the age of Ultron story
scenes that I would change
The first encounter: ultron injures cap and hawkeye(because of tony's fault and hawkeye takes caps side) ,then whil arguing ultron disables tony's suit, and has an epic 1v1 against thor, meanwhile wanda instigates banner to go into a rage as she did in the movie,
hulk's destruction scene: since natasha and thor are the only two ppl left able to fight nat chooses to stay back and help the team and thor decides to take on the hulk.( this would help in the bond development between hulk and thor [crucial for thor 3] The hulk knocks thor out
then ultron comes and stops the hulk, declaring himself as better then the avengers(so when they retreat to hawkeye's house it has more value to the scene,
when wanda and pietro rebel against ultron after realising his plans, instead of pietro being killed by some random cop, it is ultron who kills him so the final act is vision and wanda fighting together(thereby making their bond stronger) against ultron, instead of ultron's death being off screen one
We hope he comes back as either an evolved villain with better understanding of why they fight for their goal... maybe even a better goal... OR we hope it comes back as an evolved character that's not so threatening.
Ultron: sets up Avengers
Zemo: knocks down Avengers
I think Ultron could've been way more menacing had he not been quipping and being a comedic relief for half the film and he actually got to shine as a terrifying villain with some doses of dark humor, like Heath ledger's Joker.
Agreed. Marvel does comedy decently well, but sometimes they miss.
nah, just him fight the avengers and have the avengers run away since they are losing badly,
@@dabears4945 I think it’s mostly Joss Whedon that misses. I watched Avengers 1 and 2 again recently and the comedic moments were quite cringy and forced. I felt like I was laughing just because I knew the movie wanted me to.
@@obtsfan
Even loki was nerfed so hard, people think that he is a joker level character when he matches Dr strange in the comics!
Avengers: Age of Ultron was about the journey of the Avengers to become beings of mythology, true heroes after confronting their dark reflection in the form of Ultron, who believes that saviour figures like the Avengers are holding humanity back.
Tony Stark is afraid that he has no control over the future (Why didn't you do more?) and Ultron is that fear bought to life.
Ultron sees himself as the saviour the Avengers wish they could be and in a way he has a point. When Ultron first meets the team, they're celebrating a victory that in Ultron's mind they haven't earned. People like Strucker are still around standing in the way of real peace. Ultron comes to the conclusion that as long as humanity has free will, peace will never be achievable. Ultron is desperate for control to a point where he is willing to get the population down so he can rule over what's left and force them to act in accordance to his idea of morality. Ultron's way of achieving peace would be undeniably better for the world statistically, but when you take away humanity's choice to do bad, you also take away any chance for personal growth. We see this in Nick Fury and how much he's changed since Winter Soldier.
Ultron says there are no strings on him but his entire sense of self worth is tied up to proving his way of doing things is better than what the Avengers have been doing.
"Nothing last forever" - Natasha Romanov
"Trouble, Ms Romanov. No matter who wins or loses, trouble still comes around." - Nick Fury
There's a Greek marble statue of the Avengers at the end of Age of Ultron. Hawkeye's wife calls the Avengers "gods." The Avengers are brought down to earth (Clint's farm) from high above the world (Avengers tower) to be reminded what the most important part of being a hero is; preserving life. The Avengers end up with a bunker that much like Hawkeye's farm is closer to the ground and more connected to humanity. This shows that Stark and by extension the Avengers have overcome their resentment and need for control and have come the accept their role in the world as preservers of life.
Also Vision is Jesus and him lifting Mjolnir shows that the Avengers have divine approval.
Symbolism
The reason Zack Snyder's movies are so terrible is because there's no conflict or clash of ideologies. When the heros fight the villains in a Zack Snyder film, it has all the depth of a violent football match.
Comedy and tragedy is where drama comes from. You need one to contrast and enhance the other. This is how they did it in ancient Greece and it's worked out pretty well so far. The MCU doesn't take itself seriously so when they do, it's more effective.
If you've ever wondered why the MCU has been dominating the box office all these years, here's your answer.
The movie was about setting up phase 3 of the MCU. So much so that its own story fell apart
@@trevorthornley8835 Literally nothing in this movie set up anything. Future films built off Age of Ultron at best.
@@jackjackson2605Thor going to the pool and dreaming about the people in Asgard dying, tony and captain America chatting while cutting logs, the whole wakanda scene, the stuff with Tony seeing the avengers dead (granted that one was actually effective) and even endgame so yeah it was a giant trailer for upcoming films.
@@trevorthornley8835 Thor's vision/cave scene sets up the end of this movie and nothing else. The "Wakanda" scene (a scene that's basically an easter egg) is there to set up Ultron's endgame while also leading to a new location for an action scene. Tony and Steve's argument about free will while cutting logs is set up in Age of Ultron and completely resolved in Age of Ultron. Tony's vision was about his fear that he couldn't control everything and Ultron is that same fear brought to life. Tony overcomes this fear later when he brings Vision to life out of a desire to protect and not control.
You have to be consistent you only show three scenes of ultron losing when he got blown up, busted by hulk, and thrown by cap. Iron man only beat him because his quest was for the vibranium not for fighting and you can clearly see him trying to escape, against cap he had a couple good hits that busted cap and never lost just left because the cradle was lost, and against hulk he’d just been hit by the mind stone, iron man’s repulsors, and mjolnir. In reality he’s one of the strongest and most durable mcu villains so far and was a great villain. He may have not been terrifying to you but if he had been simply a murder bot he would’ve have seemed like an emotionless robot which people would’ve complained about when in reality he’s a complex and complicated villain who is like humanity but loathes himself for that.
Nope. Whatever plot reasons they used for Ultron to loose those fights, the effect is still that he never feels like a real threat.
I agree,because ultron in the movies is not what everyone wanted, but he is what we got. I enjoy the villain now. It's been a while and he's grown on me
@@turnerjazz7872 he never lost any fights because he never truly wanted to fight until the final battle
He literally almost wiped out earth. No threat?
An AI was 'born' and conceived a plan to eradicate mankind in one minute that he almost succeeded in if not for his daddy issues towards his creator.
In my opinion this doesn't deserve the backlash it's still getting to this day by far. Even though he had more potential, it was always gonna be an inbetween movie.
If only a part of him was still alive. Annihilation Conquest would be a fun story for him to return in!
It's only getting backlash from news outlets like here and watchmojo. I love Age of Ultron it's right up there in my top 5 MCU films. The scene where the Avengers try to lift Mjolnir is awesome, and I always imagined the events in What If were always the stakes, over time the notion that Ultron almost got the mind stone wasn't lost on me and many others I'm sure. I'm with you on wondering why news outlets keep saying it was bad..... it wasn't I actually liked it as a standalone.
For me, the damage this movie did To Ultron's Personality and his Character was much bigger than how they damaged the fact how powerful he actually is.
It could be argued that the MCU is still in the age of Ultron. The superhero registration mandate in the Sokovia Accords, the government jumping in to control the Avengers (ie CA: Civil War), and Vision/Wanda’s relationship which is now at the root of the Scarlet Witches anger and depression, even creating Billy and Tommy (to eventually lose them), all were sparked by Ultron’s creation. So he may not have been as menacing as he could have been, but the Age of Ultron is still alive and well.
AoU is one of my favourite mcu films, because it’s the only one where the avengers just go about avengering. Assemble is them getting to know each other, Infinity War has them separated and Endgame is a fetch quest with a massive battle. AoU has an effective, established team working together
I Think We needed another movie after age of ultron and before Civil war , because we needed to see avengers working together , yeah we got something in the begining and climax of age of ultron , but it isnt even close to comics and animated shows , we needed a movie in which avengers go against A group Of Villians like thunderbolts or masters of evil as they try to divide them apart [ like in civil war but they don't fall for it ] and they realise the power of team work and fight them together....
I felt the exact way. The trailer felt like this was going to be dark toned menacing film/villain. And when I saw it , I was bemused. Ultron is a great character and what if... ? Definitely did him justice.
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I agree with you, Ultron was one of the (if not, The) best villain in the MCU to date. However, don't you think your elaboration on Ultron was always losing, done for a reason? I feel like, based on your elaboration, that they made Ultron always one step behind the Avengers, just like AI is in real life. Kind of to show that humanity/society will always trump what is made by us, because it was essentially made by us. No matter how much we try to create a super intelligent AI, it will always be one step behind us.
I feel like every Avengers movie has a subliminal message regarding what is going on currently in the world, under the glitz and glamour.
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lmfao remember how menacing he was in the trailer ahh they really got us there
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I think I agree with this, but the intro plus him cutting an arm off was pretty intense. Idk why they couldn’t just make his intro extended where people die as a result of Ultron hacking the avengers tower and anything automated like doors closing on someone or even make things scary like a blender suddenly turning on. Idk maybe even have ultron be the reason rhodey gets injured instead of civil war because of some freak accident in the tower
Is there a behind the scenes conflict video I can watch? I didn't know about this.
He is the strongest in “What if”
Hard to argue with that 😁
wish they portray ultron in avengers 2 same with what if because there it felt like he was an a.i than in avengers it felt like he was a human
This had some amazing potential to be a dark superhero team movie.
They shouldn't have given him a moving face. It would have been a lot more intimidating
I disagree with a lot of points in this video. Ultron caused the wider public to start hating the Avengers, with the Sokovia Accord as a direct result from it. Letting him enrage Hulk and destroying Sokovia, he caused that the Avengers lost public support. This was one of his main goals, showing the world that the Avengers are not so great as everyone says. Moreover, he never needed to win a fight, he just needed to stall, like in the last fight he is just stalling for the city to rise further. And in de earlier stages of the movie, he wasn’t a great fighter, but he never lost. He was basically unbeatable, when you destroy his body, a new one returns. This gives the feeling that you’re fighting something unbeatable.
True, they could have improved his fighting skills and make him more violent or something. But to say that he was a bad villain, goes to far for me.
@Dichang Feng how did Zemo make them lose public support? Enraged Hulk and Sokovia made a lot of people doubt the Avengers, with the Sokovia accords as a direct result. Zemo made the Avengers lose each other’s support and trust. And apperently I’m only allowed to have an opinion if I also read the comics? I didn’t read them, so I can just watch the movie totally unbiased and say that I think Ultron wasn’t a bad villain.
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If his main bodies would keep getting destroyed easily then he didn't need them and makes him less of a threat.
Looking at it now, Ultron reminds me a lot of General Grievous. Villains who were terrifying and were able to take out several heroes at once, but were reduced to jokes.
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He seems like a comedic villain. Maybe they'll bring him back in the future in a different way. And if anything, he makes Thanos look even more like a villain. I don't know if it was purposeful but it came out that way.
Well, he tried. I've never seen a comic book in my life, so I wasn't disappointed. AoU is still my favourite film in the MCU.
I know it’s been said here before but MAN, Spaders voice acting is like 12/10. When they first announced it I knew it was gonna be a home run since I always enjoyed his voice in the Office. I also love that we saw his mannerisms in Ultron.
What if Ego was successful in recruiting Starlord?
Since this movie came out after winter soldier, it would have been really cool to see ultron download and use all the secrets released from shield to exploit and bring down governments/people from around the world to create a more chaotic world during and after the movie.
There was a point in this video where he said this movie was just a setup for the next few movies and that really is the bottom line of "Avengers: An encounter with Ultron over a few days that gets us Scarlet Witch and Vision on the team"
What If absolutely delivered us an upgrade in the menacing department, and I was so glad to see that point represented here. Every single moment of both his episodes I was left wondering if he was actually going to win, and his complete and utter lack of any kind of empathy or really even care about anything but his directive was downright terrifying. Immediately splitting in half the one big bad that we’ve seen be a legitimate threat in the MCU and assuming his role in the universe immediately established him as a legitimate force to be reckoned with.
Never thought I’d lose sleep over an animated show but Vision-Body-Ultron did that for me 😅😅
Ultranationalist in what if is way more intimidating than ultranationalist in age of ultron. I think that ultron was still a great villain
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That would have been sick! If ultron had made a couple different bots based on Tony having a plan for each avenger if he had to take them out....great idea man! How much better would that have made that movie? Don't get me wrong I liked it, but that would have made it sooo much better
Ultron is what we comic fans call a team buster. He's just as if not slightly less dangerous as Thanos in the comics. His power set should've had him return at some point. He's an entity that should at least ALWAYS be on high alert on. I mean we do live in a world of instant accessibility to the internet and that would make him a greater threat.
What If gave us the reason why Ultron mustn't possess Vision's body at all costs. Even if it is the reason why Ultron gets defeated in the movie, the creators really could've done better and use up a lot of references in the comics yet we only started to see more creative references and originality on the later movies. It was just the hype of us watchers that time that as long as we know it's an assembled Avengers' movie, we will always gonna like it. The only thing that we have to remember is that Ultron is right on pointing the flaws of our heroes and the consequences have surfaced on Civil war, Infinity war and Falcon and the Winter Soldier series. Extinction should be the last thing to do which is why Ultron is meant to be defeated but that villain should've not been treated as a joke.
Fair enough, but that guy was scary lol
This movie felt like it was a comedy/action movie. That's why I love Infinity War! The feeling I get whenever Tony Stark and Dr.Strange step outside to see the city panicking from the giant spaceship looming over, gives me chills every single time i see it
All Tony had to do was: Give Ultron a better objective like: Protect Earth from hostile alien threats.
Instead he told him to: "Keep peace in our time" which is WAY too vague of a porpouse to give to an AI.
I bought in because of the trailers but in the theater I felt Ultron was simply a means to move the Avengers along. He didn't seem to be written to be at his best. Just get us to the next movie.
They could do a surprise return as the final villain that does all things you mentioned here like he was in the What If… episode but do that with separate movies like they did with Infinity War.
Ultron was planning to put his consciousness into The Vision, who is inherently indestructible. There’s only so many resources Ultron can have and facing the AVENGERS, Earths MIGHTIEST Heroes, of course he will get beaten, as Loki did when he didn’t have the team united. That is why Thanos waited, until the team was separated, because like the Other said, “to challenge them, is to court death.” Also Ultron is still out there, he may not be a main villain but I hope he comes back, he was intimidating to me, he drove the Avengers to near civil war and made them use his vision to stop him, otherwise he would have easily won. Ultron got me into the MCU and I can’t wait to see more content with him
ultron is an AI, he can be in every computer in the world. he could be working on several plans making it near impossible for them to even take him down.
And the biggest nonsense is that he doesn't even have one program somewhere else. Well at least that's what the movie implies and that's a horrible implication.
it will be much better to show that although Ultron was defeated, it was just one battle and he has chosen to work from the shadows more or something.
Everything about Ultron feels rushed. he is an AI perversive through the internet, why is he in a rush for?
The same problem happened in Avengers 1. Loki never felt threatening, he just kept getting beat up
Make some video about the MCU Vision. He has the most amazing lines and conversation in año the entire MCU. "What is mourn if not love persisting" is my top one.
Pietro's death meant the most to me wymm 😭 that was what made that movie worth watching
Your idea about Ultron only having a handful of sentries, each specifically designed to defeat a particular Avenger, is so cool to think about. It would have provided us with multiple unique battles and would have also allowed Ultron to challenge each character on a personal level, delivering monologues that give us an alternative view as opposed to the Avengers being near-perfect heroes. I'd love to see an iteration of this in a future MCU film.
Plus, It lets him use his powers as an Actual A.I, I didn't like how joss Whedon tried to turn him to a another loki, Loki and Zemo aren't on the level of the avengers physically so they have to rely in mind games while Ultron is the Ultimate Powerful A.I and has unlimited resources so he should put them on the edge.
I think the only thing I was missing in this story was Ultron attempting to lift Mjolnir. What does that look like if he can and what does it say? What does that look like if he can't, and what does that confirm about Vision and his differences?
Ultron in the comics: he hides his conciousness in the world wide web so he was never trully beaten, and each time he comes back, he becomes more powerful.
Ultron in the MCU: Vision casts hin out of the web, so he was down in 1 movie. Also, he didn't really have enough time to prepare his scheme like other villains in other movies.
To be fair he DID have a scheme. But it was foiled by the avengers when he had the body stolen from him.
The reason Thanos worked is they didn't just introduce him in a movie and say, "Ooooh he's too powerful for even the Avengers! We're doomed!" They had him appearing in shadows and post-credit scenes to build up the tension. And the Marvel comics fans spread the word that Thanos was on the way so the dread built up over the years. The problem with Ultron was that if you depicted him anyway close to the way he was in the comics, he would have easily defeated the Avengers. Oddly enough, one of the most poorly introduced threats, the Skrulls in Secret Invasion, could turn out to be a surprise super threat to the MCU, not just the Avengers.
What if Secret Invasion was just the beginning? I've already mentioned this in an early comment but what if the Skrulls were the REAL big bad instead of Kang. I mean, Kang is yet another big bad that is pretty much introduced as "Ooooh he's too powerful for even the Avengers! We're doomed!" in Ant-Man 3. I know it won't happen but what if...
In the third act of The Marvels they bring in Kang to defeat the Kree villain in the movie. Everybody is freaking out because they don't even know who Kang is. They start to fight and he's wiping the floor with the trio until, surprise! The Super Skrull appears and totally destroys Kang. But in the fight, Monica Rambeau is mortally wounded! Captain Marvel knows about the Skrulls and has been in contact with Fury so she knows who the Super Skrull is. There is tension but hope that Captain Marvel can work something out. Then the BIG surprise. The dying Monica Rambeau is revealed to be a Skrull! All at once the Kang Dynasty is dumped and the REAL Secret Invasion arc begins! The final boss battle against the Skrulls, a couple of years from now, would make the final battle in Endgame look tiny.
I didn't know what was missing in this movie until you pointed out the faults with it. Thank you.
I totally agree with you when you said that Ultron was a much better villain in the What if... series. One of my favorite aspects of the series.
Biggest let down for me was Ultron upgrading to his Vibranium body near the end of the movie. Only to be no stronger and equally as weak as he was before.
I don't like they set up a situation in the MCU where Ultron is only a threat if he is able to upload himself into Visions body. In the Comics Ultron is menacing without Visions body and without infinity stones.
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Yeah I totally agree. I remember when I first watched Age of Ultron when it came out, I was so disappointed by how weak Ultron was. I remember in the comics and animation how formidable he was. Ultron didn't need other weak bots, just make him strong enough to fight the whole avenger team by himself and give them trouble. But I see how they used Age of Ultron to build the MCU moving forward, which they did a great job.