Why Age of Ultron Worked and The Avengers Didn't | One v One
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- In honor of Marvel's Avengers Endgame, the plan was simple: go back and investigate why 2012's The Avengers is superior to Avengers Age of Ultron. The only problem is that it turned out that Ultron is a much stronger movie compared to the original, despite the Internet's general opinion. In today's episode of Film Perfection, let's dive into previous era of the MCU and see what are the key differences between Ultron and the original Avengers.
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Very excited to see Endgame. We'll see what happens with Thanos and which Avenger dies in Endgame. Iron Man and Captain America might not both make it, maybe not Thor either. Probably some are coming back with some time stone action or something related to Ant-man. We'll see what the Avengers Endgame ending is. Not sure if there will be a new villain like Galactus or something.
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Marvel's The Avengers
Marvel Studios delivers the ultimate comic-book film, which ties together such characters as Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.), Captain America (Chris Evans), The Hulk (Mark Ruffalo), and Thor (Chris Hemsworth) for a big-screen franchise team-up like no other. Taking center stage this time is Nick Fury (played once again by the note-perfect Samuel L. Jackson), leader of the peacekeeping agency known as S.H.I.E.L.D. Fury, along with former Russian spy Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson), recruits a super team to combat Thor's ever-deceptive brother Loki (Tom Hiddleston) after he brainwashes ace archer Hawkeye (Jeremy Renner) while stealing a cosmic cube from an underground base. Thus the heroes must learn to work together alongside outlaw scientist Bruce Banner (Ruffalo), who can track down the artifact's gamma signals when he's not hulking out into a giant green monster. Show runner Joss Whedon (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Firefly) adapted and helmed the script by Zak Penn.
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Avengers: Age of Ultron
This sequel to the smash-hit comic-book epic The Avengers finds the iconic superhero team dealing with a threat of their own making: a sentient robot called Ultron (voice of James Spader), who was originally designed as part of a peacekeeping program. Since the events of the last film, Captain America (Chris Evans), Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.), the Hulk (Mark Ruffalo), Thor (Chris Hemsworth), Hawkeye (Jeremy Renner), and Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson) have been working to take down various cells of a secret society of villains known as HYDRA. Their zeal to make the world a better, safer place inspires Tony Stark, genius billionaire and alter ego of Iron Man, to create Ultron in order to respond to additional threats that the Avengers aren't able to handle. Ultron, unfortunately, takes this directive way too seriously -- he believes that world peace can only be achieved by exterminating humanity, and he'll stop at nothing to accomplish this goal. The battle between the Avengers and Ultron is further complicated by the appearance of superpowered siblings Quicksilver (Aaron Taylor-Johnson) and Scarlet Witch (Elizabeth Olsen), who ally themselves with the homicidal android. Samuel L. Jackson and Cobie Smulders co-star as, respectively, S.H.I.E.L.D. operatives Nick Fury and Maria Hill. Joss Whedon, writer and director of the previous Avengers movie, returns in both capacities here. 
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“The city is flying. The city is flying, we’re fighting an army of angry robots, and I have a bow and arrow.” - My favourite line in the entire MCU
None of this makes sense
Good summary of how a normal "dude", like Hawkeye very much is, would feel during such a monumental, sci-fi level event. Because I'm no good with arrows, or guns, I'd be hiding in a cellar, sucking my thumb, just waiting to die. Age of Ultron really helped establish how good of a character Clint Barton actually was in the bigger picture.
The way the line was delivered was perfect
Yeah
I love that line
Loki's motivation in "The Avengers" is that he's Luigi.
Greetings my fellow toad
And Mario is Thor.
Actually Mario is Stark. Dig the stache
@@sephandremanticore5438 it's. . .a-me. . . MARIO.
It's basicly luigi become Mr.L like in paper mario
Finally, another person who believes Age of Ultron is underrated.
You should get better friends
i agree
Off Hawkeyes one line to scarlet witch its one of my favorite marvel movies haha
It is severely underrated
I have been saying this for years and literally just talked to my brother about this, Ultron was demonized because people expected it and hyped it up to be something it isn’t which is not how you go into a movie. Too much anticipation, expectation, and investigation into what you think a movie is going to be before you watch will psychologically set you up to be disappointed which is what happened to a lot of people viewing Ultron. I have always thought this movie was discernibly better than Avengers but I could understand why people liked Avengers more even though I’m not one of those people. I digress this was another good video by Filmento.
15:34 I love how he always says “Malekith”, but then shows a picture of Ronan. Made me giggle. Never gets old
Ah yes, malekith, everyone’s favorite villain-wait a second that’s not him
Yeah, a running joke. Only funny because it's true :-)
@@Peterski, indeed. Even though I am aware that this is a running joke (now more than at the time I first made the comment, as I've grown to consume more content of this channel), it still makes me giggle every time, hahaha.
@@Flasa same here :-)
I'm only listening to this video while working. It made me Alt+Tab when he said that Malekith is one of the best MCU villains.
I read the title about 5 times because i thought i was reading it wrong lmao
I know right, why age of Ultron worked and avengers didn't, wtf
Haha same here
Same
same
FR, me too. WTF?
The only reason age of ultron is better because captain america ripped a block of wood into 2
YES
And because fury asked Tony not to give life to a tractor
Also he lifted mjolnir
@Marinebattleships 1 no shit
@@seanli8756 where?
Two things that go in Avengers 1’s favor are -
1. The freshness of the idea of bringing multiple superhero’s in one film - first mover advantage.
2. Lots of Iconic shots in Avengers 1. How many iconic shots can you remember off the top of your head from Age of Ultron - recall value once you leave the theatre is very high for avengers 1.
It also has a much clearer and more streamlined story. Age of Ultron also takes a long time to process. But yeah Age of Ultron > Avengers.
@@Exonorm27 yeah man, avengers > avengers, although i've always been an avengers fan
@@whitegradient5182 lmao take a moment to reread what you just posted thanks for making me laugh I’ve been having a bad day 😁
That's because It Is the first time they united, i bet you don't remember much iconic shots from infinity war and endgame too
Infinity war - Thor entering the Wakanda battle. Thanos Snap
Endgame - Natasha and Hawkeye fighting to die instead of the other, Cap with Mjolnir, Any scene with Fat Thor, the entire battle royale, she is not alone, captain Marvel enters the battle, Iron man snap.
"With a very comedic, light-hearted villan."
Meanwhile in What if...
*Ultron cuts thanos in half*
Bruh
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
That's very family friendly. I cut my siblings in half everyday.
@@theirongiants You're an "Ultron" in real life than 😁🤣
" Ultron" the favorite dialogue ♥ for me the thing doesn't kill it just make you stronger 💪 really underrated flick of MCU. Now a days God bless 🙌 phase 5 & 6 how 🤔 boring 😴 shit they've prepared for us
"and Malekith"
**shows a Picture of Ronan**
Got the joke man.
Took me like 10 seconds before I started laughing, cause I was so confused.
@Brale its sarcasm how both ronan and malekith character is so forgetable that sometimes you neither forget them or thinking they are the same guy since their motivation literally same
It's not even the first time he's done it lol
@@kkaaz6128 Sure but Ronan is purposefully a satire on one dimensional villains.
Could’ve been an accident, probably WAS intentional. I kind of liked Ronan, though. He could have been better performed, but I think the way the way he was written made him an excellent foil to Peter Quill. In Guardians 1, Quill is an overgrown manchild. He listens to the same playlist from when he was a kid, plays a badass ladies man and angles for a profit on a planet-burning macguffin. Ronan is kind of the same, but he’s more of an emo drama queen. From the moment he emerges from a pit of blood ranting about the death of his father and his father’s father, it’s clear that he’s not in touch with reality. He lives on a throne in what we now know from Captain Marvel is essentially his old bomber ship, taking orders from a space terrorist so he can burn a planet just because he’s been at war with it for so long he may not even know the original reason anymore. He’s not doing it to protect his world or any belief system, he’s looking for personal satisfaction. Quill was too, until he met the people who would become the Guardians and become the family he needed.
“Keep your friends rich, and your enemies rich, then wait you find out which is which.”
-Tony/Ultron
Tony said it first;)
@@solvemproblerstudios5889 when?
CreosRealian Not in the actual films, it’s just that as soon as Ultron says it, Klaue says “Tony Stark used to say that... You ARE one of his” Ultron proceeds to rage quit on Klaue by cutting off his arm.
Technically tony but we only heard ultron say it
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One of the biggest problems with Ultron was the character design of his dynamic mouth & "lips". Kinda like the masked Dafoe in Spider-Man 1, the emoting would have been more menacing behind a static face., as Ultron appears in the comics.
but he wasn't trying to be ultra menacing in the trailers, just funny and comedic villain overall so that's not much of a problem but a huge character direction change.
You're right. Plus the CG at the time (even today) doesnt really work for a robot to have lips and a face with surfaces that move like organic muscles and skin. It makes it look like wonky cgi
@@Gadget-Walkmen have you SEEN the trailers? It promises a SUPER dark movie like The Batman. A SUPER dark villain. Compare that to what we got.
@@ethanweimer-kopf6907 I know. I’m not denying that but he was still over charismatic dark in the film in his own way.
yea
I liked that "Good talk" joke, its one of the few times Tony actually jokes with the villains and RDJs delivery was on point
also makes sense, Tony is arrogant so making fun of them is in character.
Few? Tony always jokes with villains
it's the henchman's "No it wasn't" that doesn't fit
@@CorelUser tbh yeah it doesnt fit but it was still funny
Age Of Ultron wasn't perfect by any mean, but god damn were people harsh on this movie.
Because it was just another avengers-saves-the world type of film again, the only difference is they made it more complicated and worse by making ultron weak, shoe horning a setup for infinity war, having a forgettable score and having too many unecessary quips.
@@fatezero8662 "forgettable score" *Watches the final fight again* Sure thing, bud.
@@fatezero8662 I feel all of what you said on endgame
@@fatezero8662 Ultron wasn't weak, his whole thing set up thru the film is he's all about quantity over quality, that's set up very early in the film.
@@fatezero8662 Shoehorning a setup was one scene and while I agree it's bad if a film is bad for u because one scene mad u sad ur kind of pathetic.
“Filmento, you just started a war!”
a... civil war
Don't matter you all still need to watch the whole thing it like star war.....
@@campkira worth it
Stand down, final warning
So that's it huh? We some kinda *s h r u g s* Captain America: Civil War?
I think the reason people THINK the movie sucks is because they want a dark uber cool ultron and he was instead an evil tony stark personality. Because of that they just immediately feel the movie is bad, judging it based on what they wanted and not on the quality of the movie itself. If you accept ultron for how he is written, he is a good villain. Then you see the rest of the good quality scenes coming from the film.
Ultron isn't the only problem with the movie:
Bad pacing
Riddled with jokes and exposition which takes away from character development
A WASTED villain that doesn't do anything to challenge the avengers
A giant commercial for phase 3
An uncomfortable romance
And Pointless scenes and characters
This all takes away from character drama that could be there and we only get a couple of moments. The movie is Ultimately a boring, bloated, unfocused mess. Such a missed opportunity.
@@trevorthornley8835 yet i can counter with saying it has serious moments too, it has big character development and arcs, and has some of the Best scenes in the entire MCU. I do agree that landing on Natasha's breasts is a bit much, but the love between the two is completely fine. Ane the story is not convoluted and is followed quite easily actually. Is it the best movie? No, but it deserves less hate than its given
Nah, this movie sucks
@@bluefiremarkii it doesn't have a story. There are good character moments unfortunately most of those don't go anywhere. The only good characters in this are vision, Scarlet witch, and Hawkeye. Everyone else was basically Tony Stark.
@@trevorthornley8835 it does have a story, which revolves around the guilt from iron man, and the manipulation of him, allowing him to create ultron. From there, the story mainly focuses on following Ultron, trying to take him down, find out what he is up to. It'd be like saying that the Avengers didn't have a story because they just got together captured loki and fought an army. A story is any sort of written fiction. Because there is a script and a plan in mind, There is a story. The only debatable thing is story quality.
Age of Ultron felt a bit more grounded than any other avengers movie IMO.
People always look at me with such surprise when I tell them that age of Ultron is my favourite avengers movie
It's a close third. IW, Civil War, then Ultron. But I only really appreciated Ultron on rewatch.
I think that's because Ultron is the only avengers villain not from space. That's why I feel thor doesnt have much to do in this movie besides setup other movies like ragnarok and infinity war.
My favorite Avengers flick too 😍
Grounded, they lifted the whole city in the air can’t get any more non grounded than that lol 😂😂😂
Dude, the visual improvement between these movies is *crazy*
Yes, I thought I was the only one who thought the visuals for Avengers 1 was equivalent to a low budget tv series
@@PikaCheeks I’m pretty sure it had to do with Josh’s way of lighting the movie probably
@@russiankodiak6849an extra 145m budget and a hell of a lot more faith in the project is probably a bigger cause
@@russiankodiak6849 To me, in the first Avengers, the characters feel really saturated, especially compared to the latest movies, and more than it should be compared to the overall saturation of the environment. It's just... off
@@P3PSI642 Yeah that’s what I’m saying
Ultron: To protect life, I have to destroy life!
Thanos: Good idea, buddy!
More like,
Ultron: To protect life, i have to destroy life!
Thanos: Whoa whoa whoa, you deranged psychopath. Half, half is better.
@@HuntKillJourney now that's more like THANOS lol
@@HuntKillJourney Half is only better till he learns that it didn't work. Then he's all for universal genocide to start over.
Thanos: Only just that I'm not just gonna destroy Earth, I'm gonna disintegrate half of the universe's population!
Ultron: Gee, You're good.
rosestar1324 I’m beginning to sense a pattern here...
I watched age of Ultron at least 5 times by now. I only watched the avengers once. The last dialogue between Vision and Ultron is unforgettable.
I actually have to watch it again, for some reason I actually didn't like it, but I was young, I should give it a watch because even though I didn't like it, I DO remember this last dialogue pretty accurately
The last dialogue with Vision is really unforgettable 👌 James Spader delivered excellent voice work, me too watched 👀 it 5 times ⏲ brother ❤
I still get chills every time Wanda comes out of that door and rips all those robots to pieces
If the sequel improved upon the original, then that means it's done its job.
This. I see a movie that built upon the first.
@@randomusermaximuss And for good reason. I assume in Avengers the characters were kind of still a bit gimmicky together. They didn't really have great purpose. I don't want to say they were not "fleshed out" because like in the video, they were, but in their solo movies. Gathering this much characters was already a big thing, so they kept things safe I assume, comedic action that ends well. Now that they knew what their were doing and what worked or not, they had a more narrow path to play with and that already is where their creative process has made things way better, just what the video explained.
@@CuT7yFlaM Avengers 2012 was great because it made a story that worked well with the characters. It had a fairly straight forward plot, so it wasn't easy to mess anything up. The only reason why you see them gimmicky is because the avengers in the comics is like a C/ B tier team. The A tier team was the xmen, but they didn't have the rights so they tried to make the avengers as cool as possible in the year 2012.
Which Age of Ultron didn’t do
Great point.
I would describe this as "Where Age of Ultron Worked and The Avengers Didn't", not "Why."
100% agreed, Avengers did work.
Yeah but absolutes are what get you clicks.
I'd one you up, Who age of Ultron worked and avengers didn't
@@vitorborges807 Only a Sith deals in absolutes!
@@vitorborges807 Do you really think Filmento is the type of RUclipsr that cares about clicks? XD
I liked age of Ultron, my biggest issues I had with it though is the low budget for a movie with my favorite Marvel villain, as well as the fact that it was a week, not an age. I'm just disappointed what they did to Ultron, making him seem more like a minor inconvenience, which why I particularly love what they did in what if. It shows the apocalyptic threat that he had the potential to be.
Low Budget? It has The Highest MCU Movie Budget
Tf you mean Low Budget?
You do know that AOU has the largest budget in the MCU (not even Endgame surpassed it) and is the 2nd most expensive movie of all time.
"With an estimated net production budget of $365 million, the film is the second most expensive film ever made."
I think the phrase they meant was "low scope"
I miss serious/stoic Thor... making him goofy like EVERYONE else (or more than depending on the movie) was such a huge mistake.
The exact reason why I don't like ragnorok and didn't go to see thor 4 in cinema, he just feels butchered
@@TY-km8hj ragnarok was god though
That's a problem with Marvel movies in general. A lot of the characters feel samey as hell now, and the tone between movies is very similar.
sardonic humor was stark's shtick. making thor more receptive to humor as he enjoys life more wasn't a bad call as him being perpetually tormented with his losses, and he did lose a lot, hampers his growth. the problem is that they apply that same humor to everyone without the justification that stark and thor had.
It’s an unpopular opinion, but I’m glad you presented it
It's an unpopular opinion I happen to share. Ultron always struck me as the perfect AI psychopath, cold logic paired with no self-control.
Will Mehle I fell asleep during the avengers
Johnathon Haney Except he wasn’t cold or logical, he was emotional and irrational.
@@johnathonhaney8291 This video has left me very keen on the idea of an Ultron return. His fundamental motivation is pretty awesome and not at all as others have said cliched. He doesn't hate humanity because he thinks himself superior, he doesn't fear humanity pulling the plug, he doesn't hate humans for creating or trying to enslave him. He has an obsession with evolution. That's cool. If you keep three lines as fundamental to Ultron going forward "How is humanity saved if it's not allowed to evolve", "The human race will have every opportunity to improve", and "They're doomed" - then you have a character with a very unique and thought provoking perspective on the world and the future. When we imagine a human race that survives into the space age and exists thousands or millions of years into the future, we imagine them as anatomically modern humans. The entire natural order is based around life changing to fill new niches, adapt to environmental changes, and those forms of life no longer appropriate to the environment - well, as Ultron puts it: "Ask Noah". Ultron can and should make us think about whether our determination to preserve our species and our world exactly as it is, is necessarily a virtue.
Ultron in AoU fits the tone of the film and of Whedon's work. He's melodramatic and comedic, he's driven by irrational emotion, insecurity and rage. His specific plan in this film - a meteor strike to force human evolution and encourage a move towards an organic/synthetic synthesis - need not be carried over, nor his temperament. Ultron was pretty well destroyed, but as software it's very believable that he could return and have an easily justified personality shift to match whatever tone is appropriate depending on the placement in the MCU, which hero(es) are facing him, and who is directing. If he moved on to a new, more evolved plan - perhaps a more subtle one, perhaps one which doesn't involve immediate eradication of large numbers of humans or the threat of human extinction, but simply tries to remove superpowered forces coddling the human race and holding it back from achieving its potential, they could really reinforce the evolution obsession as a unique and distinct motivation, and make him a more compelling villain who still feels consistent with his first incarnation. I'd written Ultron off as a character, but the more I think about it the more I'd like to see him come back.
Hell, does he even need to be physically incarnated? An effective Ultron return could spend easily half a film with the identity of the villain unknown, as he sets plans in motion from within a computer or the internet, much like Zola in Winter Soldier - hearing that god damn awesome voice for the first time could be a truly awesome moment, because I don't think anyone would deny that James Spader did a fantastic job whatever you think of the material he was given.
@@johnathonhaney8291 See I want to Agree but Ultron Seemed extremely Emotional and Poetic. If they just gave his personality to Vision and allowed Ultron to make the same actions but without the Humor and personal Grudges then it would be a perfect Unique Villian
I'm not saying you changed my mind, but you did present a damn good argument. I'll have to go back and watch both films again to reconsider.
So...after watching it which is better.... avengers or age of Ultron???
Still no answer?? Which one is better?
@@shreyashshrestha6085 Age of Ultron definitely has its moments but overall I still enjoy Avengers a bit more.
@@rars0n Obviously it's subjective, but Age of Ultron just didn't feel as cohesive to me. It felt like an X-Men movie, not bad, but just a decent movie about a group of heroes. Avengers 2012 on the other hand came to life for me as a movie about PEOPLE who just happen to have superpowers and an alien invasion to face. The relationships among the characters felt vital and interesting and dynamic.
@@UTU49 Yeah, I agree, Age of Ultron felt less cohesive and a bit more generic. I liked the character of Ultron but it was clear that he was serving a fairly basic antagonist role and would ultimately be defeated because Avengers. Whereas the Avengers movie did a good job of bringing the characters together and growing them into a team. That's what I really admire about Marvel, they don't just introduce characters and throw them into things, they develop them into individual personalities and then give those personalities opportunities to both clash and grow.
Again, don't get me wrong, I liked Age of Ultron quite a bit, a lot more than I would have expected after listening to some other people talk about it. I thought it was a really good movie. But it didn't surpass or even match Avengers.
People often complain about the generic Marvel villain and there's legitimate criticism to be made, but I think what gets overlooked too often is that what makes the movies work so well is not the villains themselves but the characters and how they change along the way. When you can make that element of the story work effectively, you don't really need a super interesting villain, even if we all do really want one. While I believe this was said about the Ultron character in reviews as a negative, that he was another generic Marvel villain, I both agree and disagree. The voice acting was well done, James Spader did a convincing job, and the character was written funny enough to be legitimately entertaining. I really liked the personality of the Ultron character, that's something we don't often get in an antagonist. If only he had a bit more depth to his character I think the movie would have been even more interesting.
Now compare Ultron's personality to Steppenwolf's personality. It's non-existent. So yeah, I like Avengers a lot better but I still like Age of Ultron despite it's flaws, and I think it's better than it gets credit for.
This film and Spider-Man homecoming both do interesting things that play on the Villain’s monologue.
In homecoming, Vulture explains his motivations to Peter simply to distract him long enough for his wings to be ready.
When Stark asks Ultron what he intends to do with the vibranium, he satirizes monologues: “I’m glad you asked because I wanted to take this time to explain my evil plan” (attacks immediately)
Age of ultron has aged very well after Wanda vision
My one problem with Age of Ultron was that Ultron wasn't powerful enough. Other than that, it was pretty good
Also: James Spader as Ultron was perfect casting imo
Yeah that's the main thing that made Age of Ultron a lot worse than it could have been. Pretty much I felt like the movie was over the moment Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver switched sides. They were really Ultron's big power players, and Ultron himself was a pushover. I mean Captain America holds his own against Ultron. They needed to establish him as a badass, instead he comes off as more of a manipulator who gets stronger characters like SW and QS to do his work for him. I mean, why they gave him a never ending string of super weak bots is just stupid. He really needed to be using all of Ironman's suits against the team, something like the Hulkbuster that we already saw was a credible threat.
When i saw the teaser for AOU, ultron helmet i got hyped, when we got the "legendary" audios, since no one was able to record the preview trailer on comic con, i got super excited with ultron's voice as it sounded robot but menacing... then in the movie he just talks, that was a big let down, it didn't even sound as Spader to me, in some parts i was like "is that RDjr's voice?" Also i don't think it was ultron been weak the "fail" i think it was more the fact that all the avengers had their plot armor on both 1 and 2 films, no one was ever going to die or even felt threatened, and when one died we all were like "oh yeah, just because he wasn't of the main team" (Quick silver) the 2nd movie doesn't feel like anything is happening, not saying someone had to die, but there was no threat, when it ends i was just like "yup they just overcomed another villain and that was it"
sonnic1995 I thought the same thing. It sounded like Spader was doing an RDJ impression. Which does actually make sense for the movie, since Ultron’s personality comes from Tony.
Yeah he really brought the awkwardly insane killer AI vibe to ultron
Yes, ultron should havd been more menacing like whats was shown in the trailers.. but i think they reserved the big bad powerful for thanos
I *LOVED* Ultron in this movie, James Spader just nailed it and stole every moment he had the camera’s focus
@ANTHONY THOMAS yes. Ultron in this film wasn't ultron. He was dumbed down. Also it is called Age of Ultron but he is deafeted in like a weekend
Only his first and last appearances when he was actually dark instead of joking
@@aliquidgaming1068 aren't everyone in the MCU dumbed down? And did you hoped Ultron had a 2 part movie like Thanos?
@@AIIXIII0 most are. Yet Wanda is now reaching house of m powers. Cap and iron man built up to who they should be. Thor it seems is being set up to become God King Thor. Most of them come close to their Ultimate universe counter parts since that universe inspired the mcu the most. Also spoilers for wandavision if you arent caught up....
They have teased ultron and the grim reaper may be the two villains behind the scenes. Ultron was hinted at still being a consciousness inside vision in Endgame by Bruce Banner. Ultron was brought up by name in wandavision. Visions dead body was being worked on by sword and they could bring ultron back. This whole phase is bringing back characters from the past mcu phases. Sharon Carter is coming back. Vemmo is coming back. Sword was teased in phase 2 and 3 and finally is here. Ultron also doesn't die in the comics. In many universes he becomes so smart he figures out how magic works on a scientific level. He even scares off celestial beings like galactus from even wanting to attack earth once ultron is at his peak. He is ever evolving and learning. Id wager he is still alive and hopefully will evolve into what he should be. A being that is unpredictable because he is so many steps ahead and a machine noone can relate to
@@aliquidgaming1068 I was just reading the other comments and honestly, I'm not that familiar with Ultron. I figured, they shouldn't killed Ultron that early (I assumed he's gone until you mentioned Wandavision.) I didn't make that connection with Wandavision though. With the input I got from you and the others, I kinda want an Ultron comeback or I'm just gonna be disappointed if the character is gone. I'm just gonna pretend that AOU is infant Ultron and weak then waits for Thanos-level Ultron. Wait, how's Veemo?
Filmento is wrong about one point
He mentions Loki's motivations weren't fleshed out in avengers, and that it doesn't matter that they were fleshed out in Thor because at the moment your watching Avengers. If it wasn't a cinematic universe then he'd be right. But you can't just repeat a Villians motivations in every Separate piece of content that he appears in, Thanoss was a bad example because up to Infinity war he was just big bad Purple chair guy. He wasn't developed until Infinity war. While Loki's Story could've been handled Better it would be a waste of Screentime to show his motivations again, imagine if every Film with Iron Man Went through a "I once created weapons so now I give up my Life in service to peace" scene. It would become repetitive, you must assume the audience has seen the other films and give nods to Congratulate them without isolating the Current audience that Hasn't seen the Solo films yet
He's wrong about the entire theme of the video 🤣. Avenger's original movie is WAY better than Age of Ultron.
@@poeticdavide he didn't say aou is better. he says that some aspects of aou is better than their corresponding ones in avengers 1. the title, seemingly following a format, became a shitty clickbait
i agree with all the points he made but those points doesn't say aou is a better movie, it only says aou did some things better. obviously, avengers 1 did everything else better and that alone makes it a better movie
@@poeticdavide You've commented on every thread asserting that like your self worth is tied to Avengers being better than AOU.
Well, unfortunately, AOU is infinitely more rewatchable.
@@Monika-hw7ey Huh? looking at the title and description he is clearly saying that AOU is better.
@@bullymaguire7554 bully Maguire is right aou is wayy more enjoyable than the original
Just started the video(3:40 in so far). My biggest gripe with Ultron was the all-too-common out-of-place comedy and that he made hundreds of robot backups and didn't leave a single one in a safe place in case he lost. To be fair I haven't seen it in years and I'm a massive Ultron/Brainiac/Skynet/"PO'ed Construct" fanboy, but that's all I remember.
I always saw it as the hubris he got from Stark, if you are born on the internet, you don't think you're going to be cut off from it.
I’m sorry but “good talk” “no it wasn’t” is one of my favorite one liners in the entire series
Same
Gets me every time, along with Clint's "none of this makes sense" line
I genuinely laughed when i heard that line...
Mine is “Tony Stark built it in a cave! With a box of scraps!”
I'll do you one better, why is Ultron?
d r ill do u one beyond better why is avengers
Bere18 Random yea he does need a therapist
Why is Ultron? Tony Stark, that's why.
How is Ultron?
Ha! You quoted that one movie. Good stuff.
Very convincing. To analyze my feelings then, Avengers was an achievement, a unique moment in time doing something that's never been done before, and doing it well. The surface level feeling of the movie was perfect and gave me exactly what I wanted from it. Age of Ultron was missing the superficial elements, it was more grounded, but the magic of the first Avengers was gone so it's absence was felt that much more strongly.
Or, to let my inner child explain it. Avengers was more cool and fun, Age of Ultron was less cool and fun.
I really enjoyed Age of Ultron when it came out because I never saw any promotional material and went into it with the mcu and that alone. The story made sense to me because I had a feeling that it was foreshadowing a helluva lot of stuff and I was right. Its a good movie, The Avengers was a good movie, Age of Ultron just had a better purpose in the grand scheme of things
this guy stands for what he thinks is right? and he thinks that age of ultron and rdj's sherlock holmes are good? man u got my sub
Exactly amazing opinions all around
Wait, there are people who don't like rdj's holmes?
It's more like the first one could be enjoyed more in cinemas but the second one holds up better with re-views. His opinions are not wrong but the box-office figures proves the first one is better at mindless entertainment
aw yeah because controversial hot takes definitely don't garner clicks and attention, that's for sure.
Discombobulate
Each time I saw the “WOOPS landed on your boobs” gag in the Justice League and Ultron movies I immediately thought “is someone watching anime thinking yeah that’s funny and a great idea to put here”
And I love that
wasnt that bad in age of ultron widows line was actually funny JL was cringe af tho
He really got in there
😆
@@miceatah9359 Yep.
Age of Ultron
It came out of nowhere while in an sudden intense scene. It was a small break from the action that is thrown on screen. Hulk is a nervous guy, widow is a trained assassin. Their characters actions fit. They had budding chemistry, and the rest of the film expanded on that subplot. It felt sincere and organic. It was a hijinx that didn't feel like it pandered to a specific audience. It was just a thing that happened. Hulk apologized, and widow was more concerned on him hulking out because of the stressful situation.
Justice League
Also came out of nowhere. However flash and WW had practically no interactions besides in group settings. Flash came off as a horny teen in prior dialogue, WW never came off as a girl next door. The awkward silence after it happened just made it weird. Flash looked like he was guilty like a horny teen, WW went silent like she was ashamed. It didn't fit their characters. Flash should have apologized quickly and concernly, while WW would disregard it because strong woman wouldn't be embarrased by accidents.
They difference is the resolution of the scene. Age of Ultron addressed it quickly like a minor thing, but it had much more depth later on. Justice League felt forced, unnecessary, and didn't resolve it. Justice League basicaly pandered to a cliche trope in a cliche way, while Age of Ultron pandered to it in a subversive way. That is why one was funny and the other was cringe as shit.
So, the cuttlefish line isn't just a random joke, he's doing a bit to make fun of her. Like, "if you were any good at this, you wouldn't have to ask me what I'm afraid of" It's followed up later in the conversation.
they were both great movies. the atmosphere in the theater was amazing during the first avengers move, everyone cheering and laughing and clapping. one of if not the best movie going experiences of my life.
It benefited a lot from being the first movie to ever pull off such a crossover. I remember when I was a 7 year old in the early 90's wondering why they didn't have the Batman and Superman movies set in the same universe, like the DCAU... surprised it took Hollywood to realize how much money they were leaving on the table with the idea.
I'm not alone in the world.
I always thought Age of Ultron was flawed, but far more interesting, while Avengers was well rounded, but safe and bland.
You just summed up my feelings on both movies spectacularly.
I agree with your assessment but my biggest problem with Age of Ultron was Ultron. He lost every fight he got into with the Avengers unlike Thanos which meant there wasn’t a lot of tension.
the avengers had to play it safe as if it fucked up the mcu wouldnt even still exist
i get ur point though
It wasn’t that it was safe it just was the first team up movie, an experiment with millions of dollars, it was a risk that, if failed would have made the mcu never happen.
Same
I always loved Ultron on this movie. He's so damn funny. He's like a baby version of Tony but kind of the opposite at the same time.
Ultron as a hybrid of tonis "don't-give-a-shit" facade frim the first iron man movies and cap would have been great and i think they tried it, but instead of a cocky Tony, we got a goofball, which made him less satisfying as a character imo
“Stark is..hes a sickness!”
The fact that he was well acted made me expect more from him though. I felt like he didn’t really do anything that impressive. I remember thinking “Now he’s going to pull out his REAL trump card” when they stop him from pushing the button and he’s still smug for a second. Then they abruptly obliterate him mid sentence.
That’s why I don’t like him, Ultron is a logically driven character but yet he cracks jokes every 5 seconds showing he clearly has emotion, which he obviously does but Ultron isn’t supposed to be okay with that. In the comics it’s not as obvious that he’s actually emotionally driven. And I absolutely hate how they took a character who has literally killed the avengers in multiple continuities and turned him into a Tony stark clone
@@ryanschmidt58 also If he didnt have any emotion he wouldnt cut klaw's arm out of rage
I understood why the internal conflicts between each avenger could be more intense in Age of Ultron than in the first Avengers. Because the first movie have to do the basic character developments first. While the second one have a lot more room to play with them.
I feel both are great movies it’s just that Avengers was just to introduce all the characters as a team and so it’s less depth driven and more physically testing how we would take them. They continued to make them actually people because they knew the movies were actually going to do well
I feel like age of ultron is pretty underrated. I really like it's connection to the movies like endgame and infinity cuz looking back Tony's ideas were pretty accurate
I love the introduction of Vision - even the way he’s filmed just frames him as so Ethereal.
The music when he comes to life is a sensational piece of music
I wish he'd had more appearances between AoU and Infinity war, I barely cared about his sacrifice the first time but after Wandadevastating
Ultron is awesome just because the simple fact that he checked the internet for like 8 seconds and decided humanity must be deleted.
You were correct before AND you are correct now.
When you were just watching "2 marvel movies" you saw that The Avengers was better.
Now after witnessing the entire production you go back and analyze the lighting, the character development, and the impact on the later Infinity War and then you rightly conclude Age of Ultron is better
The analogy is someone who compares a flat, yet finished sketch, to the midway point of the final portrait.
Just comparing the 2, the sketch leaves you more fulfilled. But once you see the final portrait you now look back and admire all the depth and texture that midway point added!
GREAT CHANNEL
Thank you for the humor entertainment AND education!!!
2:36 I just heard the guy in the back say “no it wasn’t” after he said it was a good talk 😂😂
For the first time?
*_Avengers Age of Ultron_*_ is way more important than you thought_
*-ScreenRant,CBR,Looper, WatchMojo,WhatCulture*
I laughed hard at this one
The Holy Pentalogy of generic corporate RUclips channels that talk about pop culture
Yes because it made it clear that whedon shouldn't direct future MCU movies.
I mean They Are Kinda Correct Like For Example:Civil War wouldn't Have Happended and Vision Would Still Be Jarvis
Would love to listen to what you say but not watch a watch mojo video
15:34
"Right behind thanos and malekith"
*shows picture of ronan*
Yes, finally, someone who understands how good Age of Ultron really is
haha while I didn't think it was better, I always thought Age of Ultron was criminally underrated. You're right...it may actually be better :o
Both good movies
I like the avengers better but age of Ultron is definitely underrated
I think age of Ultron is better
same ultron is good but messed up in a few places i honestly think ultron should come back with tony gone it would be harder to fight him
I was the exact same way. Now I'll have to re-watch both (not that I'm complaining) and re-evaluate my opinions.
i didn't realise people disliked age of ultron, i fricking love that movie
Same
yeah i tought the entire fanchise was universaly praised, saw some hate for endgame in the internet too
@@nome9752 I mean I dont like endgame either
Watch avengers EMH a better version of ultron
@@nome9752
There are a few ppl that genuinely don’t like it, and then there’s edgy kids who hate everything mainstream
What i loved about the original avengers is the fear everyone has of banner turning into the hulk, they really show the monstrous side of it.
What i then loved about Avengers 2 is the fear that banner has of turning into hulk. The line "a man who runs from the fight because he knows hell win" is perfect for it"
What if in the avenger's movie when stark and thor fought they instead start in a town but because both of them don't want people getting hurt they both try to move the fight into a different area but they choose different areas so they accidentally hit each other and go nowhere. this presents both of their wants and also show how they don't understand each other
Age of Ultron is criminally underrated
It got billion dollars and it got so many child fans that’s supporting their cringy quips and jokes. What do you mean underrated? It’s justice league with 1000x better cgi Lmfaooo
Nemenis
Now I was only a little kid that called Loki “The green dude” when I first saw it, that’s still the only time I’ve seen it to this day, so I may be wrong, but I never really saw as much talk about AoU as I did the other Avengers movies.
Because MCU Ultron don't get much time. They kill potential complex villains.
It's actually the worst mcu flim
@@upon1326
The first two Thor movies would like to have a word with you
Honestly, for the longest time I thought something about the first avengers movie looked aesthetically boring, and I could never put my finger on it. Until you posted this. Great video!
Same, it also really bothered me because the first Avengers movie looked more like Agents of Shield than a proper MCU movie. Netflix' Daredevil doesn't have this issue and it's 'just' a TV show.
I always thought it was the aspect ratio.
That is stupid, age ofnultron bored me and some stupid lighting males the cgi so dawn awful, cgi in acengers 1 was better and not even close to agent of shield.
Agent of SHIELD looked like the first Avengers in its first season, but there were definite improvements in tone mapping and lighting from season 2 onwards.
My issue with Age of Ultron was that I felt that it was bogged down by its weak villain. Ultron’s motivation was understandable, but he just ended up being an evil Iron Man with an unnecessarily witty personality and disposable robot army. It wasn’t really Ultron that caused the internal conflict, but more of Wanda and her powers. He was less of his more cold and calculating self in the comics and Heroes of Tomorrow that genuinely made him menacing, and more of a dude that decided to shoot a bunch of people cause he looked at Twitter for too long
Black widow making jokes on the motorcycle was so cringe.
When she said: beep beep. I wanted to leave the cinema room
Just realized that I haven't known what loki's motivation was for taking over the earth for 7 years straight. That's a yikes.
I was asking that question year 1. Never got an actual answer.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but from watching the first Thor movie and flowing into the first Avengers, Loki just wants what Thor has.
That includes Earth. And Thanos seems to be handing it to him on a silver platter.
@@sotypme4813 Loki wants to rule, where? Earth. why? Thor loves earth, it is deeply related to Asgard and Odin and... his girlfriend and friends live there.
Why loki is invading with the help of thanos? tesseract (space stone) is on earth, loki wants earth, so, yeah.
the "why loki is invading" is pretty obvious if you watched the first thor movie.
the only question i had after thinking about this is why odin chose earth. so, apparently, odin chose the only habitable planet within his realm where the people had forgotten about Asgard and things related to it, so, you know, he couldn't be recognized and had to learn to be humble and worthy without his powers and fame.
Augusto Feltes Thank you. I don’t know how that wasn’t obvious lol wtf
You are all so wrong it's sad to read these replies. Please go and rewatch the Avengers! It is implied that Thanos has tortured Loki and will torture him more if Loki doesn't bring him the tesseract. That's why Loki attacks Earth. Bruce Banner confirms that in Infinity War: "Thanos sent Loki. The attack on New York- that's him." Thanos had tortured Loki before so Loki knew what he's capable of. And in fear of being tortured even more, he does what Thanos wants from him and goes after the tesseract. He never wanted the Earth for himself. He doesn't care about Earth. If anything he wants Asgard, but from the first Thor movie we know that what he really wanted was his father's approval and to be equal with Thor.
Here's why the second film felt like such a letdown: Hype.
Everyone enjoyed the first movie so much that people were either:
Expecting this movie to flop. So confirmation bias had them hyperfocusing on the tiniest flaws.
Expecting the greatest movie of all time. Which meant nothing short of free oral sex for all movie goers, a private island and a trillion dollars would satisfy them.
Every Avengers + Civil War was hyped just as much. I think the film felt like a let down because people were expecting a great film or experience and they got an average / good film. It's not like the masses were bagging on it like with BvS or anything. But not praising it as a great film, which is pretty fair.
Whenever someone says this, I feel like they forget that literally every Avengers movie was hyped as all get out and the only disappointed ones were Age of Ultron and Endgame. The first Avegers movie broke so many people's expectations and expectations were as high as they could possibly be.
Age of Ultron is an inbetween movie. There's a lot of focus on elements that don't partain to the movie itself, but rather set up upcoming events, specifically Civil War, Black Panther and Infinity War. These types of movies rarely ever work on their own. They need the before and after movies to feel like they belong. At the time of its release, Age of Ultron had no after movie, so it felt clunky.
@@ShadyDoorags except Endgame wasn't considered disappointing at all by the vast majority.
@@ShadyDoorags who said endgame was disappointing?
@@ShadyDoorags Who considers Endgame a disappointment? I've heard nothing but very well deserved praise for that movie.
Also, set-up movies are necessary if you're making a cinematic universe. If you don't have these movies, then you'll have a bunch of characters, concepts and conflicts that just seem to appear out of nowhere.
I absolutely love Age of Ultron. I could listen to Ultron monologue all day. And it set the stage for a lot of great Marvel moments in later movies
“How does this dude think age of ultron was better than the original?”
1:57
“Oh, that’s why.”
Cant wait for the Filmento review of Endgame
waterlegend72 me too
saaaaaame
What do you guys think? I prefered Infinity war, but endgame is still great
@@ender2034 Same. Infinity War was a more solid movie, but Endgame ended really well for the decade of films.
@@ender2034 I think Endgame was better. Casual viewers will probably prefer Infinity War just because Endgame focuses so much on character developement and finishing off the stories that are ending.
Even though your points are convincing, the main problem with Ultron that most people have is that the execution is poor, whereas Avengers is simplistic enough to be engaging.
How was the execution poor? Aside from the shoehorned-in Infinity War setup, everything was perfectly adequate
Omar' Commin The characters act as if Age of Ultron was a direct sequel to the first Avengers movie. It blatantly ignores all the character development from the previous solo films. Specially regarding Captain America
@@misaeltoral508 how so?
@@misaeltoral508 Nah, it actually references his distrust of authority developed in Winter Soldier, although not in a great level
@@misaeltoral508 well, Thor didn't really develope in TDW
i must've lived under a rock....i didn't know people hated AoU,, i loved it 😭
You lived under a bottle of clorox bleach
No, it’s actually my favorite mcu film
Ultron was a mess. They misused and underdeveloped Ultron. He was a complete afterthought through the whole film and never felt like a great threat. He spent the whole film hiding and scrounging for metal. Which made the entire movie a hiding go seek adventure. While he was coming up with his ( ridiculous and obvious on how no one researched the mass or energy needed to cause mass extinction with an earth impact object.) end of the world plan. It would've been much more threatening if Ultron hacked all of Tony Stark suits and all of Shields Stark made hardware and use that against the Avengers while he carries out his work. But the movie's message was kind of all over the place. Ultron's hate for Tony is never really solidified, his reasoning for ending the world is ambiguous and they focus so much on the twins that Ultron becomes background noise. The first avengers they all learned they needed each other. Civil War actually focused on the dangers of their power. But this film was just a mad science experiment gone wrong then action scenes. They even had an opportunity to maybe show the thin line between hero and villain. Ultron was an amalgamation of three heroes. How all their goodwill and intelligence can just simply step over this thin red line and become exactly what they fight against. How whether good or bad you still believe what you're doing is good. Maybe paving the way a little bit for Thanos. Blurring the line a little bit more so you understand where Thanos is coming from. It was still better than Thor 2. lol
i disagree
Ok if the comics never existed and they basically made up ultron for the movie I bet your opinion would change
@@tonyc4612 I’ve never read the comics. All my points are storytelling points and they have nothing to do with what has been written. Which now it’s obvious you’ve never read the comics. So without knowing the context of your own comment how could you make such an assumption? 😆
15:34 “Ultron is One of the best MCU villains right behind Thanos and, of course, Malekith” 🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂
This whole video is stupid as hell lmao
lul edgiest video on the internet rn
That's where I had to do a double take... like who?? Him?? ... but why? 🤣
I think he means Ronan the Accuser. Malekith is the Villian from Thor 2. Who he shows in the vision is Ronan ?
shane rogers no he means malekith because he said it. Why would he mean Ronan you fucking twat
Me after years of saying avengers 1 is better, then watches this video: “oh my god, he’s right”
shouldn't the films convince us themselves?
@@NoahNCopeland very true, very true, but there was also the effect of clouded judgement for me, it being their first real team up and all, and watching this video helped me form an actual opinion on it instead of not thinking about it too much
@@NoahNCopeland Marketing and first ideas set impressions that go well beyond what the movie by itself will do for most people. Seeing trailers, etc, expecting one thing. If you wanted the one thing in your mind, but you get something else... Even if that something else, set aside in altverse would make you happy without those prepackaged notions, will often lead to disappointment.
This is just one way that sometimes, biases and the like, can effect how the movies shape themselves in our mind, beyond just having the movie convince us.
I think everyone though, can admit that the marketing did fail this movie. Especially with the reality of what it was.
@@NoahNCopeland You got a point, and I suspect that is because @Filmento has stated in this video what aspects are better in Age of Ultron than The Avengers, from a film-crafting standpoint, BUT, he hasn't mentioned why Age of Ultron failed to like most of the audience as The Avengers did. That would be a good topic for another video.
avengers 1 is soo overrated
Age of Ultron was actually the movie that got me into comics because of the romantic subtext between Vision and Wanda, which I learned from tumblr was INTENTIONAL subtext that was present in the comics.
I rewatched Ultron a last weekend for the first time in years, and maybe because I saw it with fresh eyes, but I thought it was much better than I remembered it being
Wow I learned more about lighting in 10 minutes than the whole rest of my life
Ive always thought why the avengers felt so strange to watch. Was so happy to figure out why. The lighting!
@@yasminelucman4827 I agree. Looks like a regular tv show.
Looks like one of those crime dramas on TV with a generic title like “FBI: Most Wanted” and mediocre acting with a stupidly unrealistic plot.
I haven't watched the Avengers in a long time but wow is it noticable when someone is talking about it. Like im not the type of person who cares too much about the CG or lightning but it is really noticable right now. It does look like a TV movie.
So basically... Age of Ultron was a great sequel.
Not quite, if it was it would have genuinely shocked the majority with how good it was the same way the first and infintiy war did, people just want to be contrarian nowadays.
@@ColorMeDoubleZ No one cares about your shit
Zezinesh Mrkusich If every film’s quality were judged by shock value and surpassed expectations, then the vast majority of marvel films and films in general are shit. That’s not a good enough reason.
@@purpleemerald5299 I mean hey you're not wrong, only a few of these 22 films are great. I never called age of ultron a bad movie, just nowhere near as tidy, well paced or impactful as the others. The status quo is barely changed at the end of this story It's a middle chapter in an epic saga, so I think it's fair to compare the impact each film had, which this film had very little of.
@@Slyarno2795 can't handle someone else having a different opinion?
I read that title and thought
“You are fighting a losing battle my friend”
Thank you for giving AoU the time of day it deserves. I personally also think this is one of the better mcu movies.
I find Age of Ultron as a whole to be much more entertaining, philosophical, and interestingly shot than Avengers. However, I find the third act of Avengers to be substantially more thought out and fun than Age of Ultron.
So in my eyes, they're about equal, but I wouldn't hesitate for a second in saying that Age of Ultron is a better film.
The third act of Ultron is really what kills it for me. I was so bored I had to check how long we still had, because we had just gotten to Sokovia. There was still AN HOUR. I had to stop then and there lol
I like Age of Ultron as well. But first Avengers movie is kinda special for me.
When i was a child, i had no idea about all those super hero teams like Justice League/Avengers/Teen Titans/Guardians of the Galaxy etc. etc.
But i always imagined how would it be if Batman and Spiderman (I also didn't knew they were in different universes DC and Marvel) worked together fighting crime and all. So when i first saw The Avengers, i was completely blown away. And even after all these years i still remember my excitement, so Avengers 2012 is my choice among those two.
Both are great, that's it.
Age of Ultron really isn't superior tho
@@alexanderkentopp3070 ADHD
Oh boy... I can see the comments coming
No u
NO U
Run for your lives
Uno
What did you expect from the comments though?
I think age of ultron aged surprisingly well. Vs other marvel movies that had a big splash at the time but over time don’t hold up as well
Now I know why i get glued to my TV whenever AoU airs and watches the full movie everytime but wasn't able to do the same with Avengers on many many occasions. Thank you for making me appreciate AoU even more than before!!
The Avengers feels like a Event
Age of Ultron feels like a movie
Infinity war and Endgame feels like both
Infinity war feels like a movie
Endgame feel like event and movie
Age of ultron feels like a sloppy mess.
I’m not sure what this observation is meant to highlight...
Endgame feels like an event only
Infinity war feels like eventful movie
Endgame feels like cinematic event
Ultron: has access to all sea ports and nukes
Also Ultron: “lift Sokovia then slam it down”
Tony made sure that Ultron didn't have access to nuclear codes anymore.
Actually Jarvis was preventing Ultron from obtaining the codes. That was cool. The concept of "The Nexus" however was pretty lame. That veered off science fiction and into fairytale lane.
if he fires nukes then it would set toxic nuclear radiation and nuclear winter all over earth and then life cannot evolve as ultron wanted. whereas acc. to his plan all the life would be wiped out but still it would be possible to start over.
He talked a lot about meteors and how much he enjoyed them early in the film. So, it was kind of symbolized, as well.
He didn't have acces to any nukes though. Jarvis didn't let him do that.
I'm so glad you delved into Bruce and Natasha. I honestly think it could have been one of the strongest pairings of the early Avengers if it had been given the proper exploration, and if a decent amount of time had been dedicated to it. Because there was no real build up, people write it off as ridiculous, and stupid and refuse to look into why the characters might have connected with each other. It's part of why Age of Ultron is my favourite Avengers movie. Bruce Banner has never been better, despite the handful of cut scenes that would have given his character some more, much needed depth, and I love the relationship he built with Natasha.
It's so nice for someone to put it into words for what I thought about how the first avengers looked
I think this review is a little harsh on the Avengers. The Avengers was the first movie in this franchise and had to use characters that were barely developed. Thor's first movie was ok, Captain America's was ok, people didn't even know at the time that this was the same Edward Norton Hulk, black widow was a supporting character and Hawkeye was barely even in the universe. Since it was the first of it's kind the studio wouldn't know the success it would be so opted to play it safe. So the movie had mostly underdeveloped characters with no time to develop it and a limited budget compared to Age of Ultron where there was huge hype for and the characters were much better developed and loved. Age of Ultron had a lot more room overall to start with.
In terms of Loki being a bad villain I also disagree. Tom was excellent and his motivations were simple but well presented. He wants to rule and he showed that multiple times. They had to develop a good villain and although it wasn't perfect I think it was still pretty good.
I will agree a bit on the lighting that it could be better ranged in the heli carrier but like I said before I think they were forced to play it safe with a limited budget.
I do enjoy Ultron more but by no means do I think the Avengers failed.
@@anandkhorana7033 Yes it wasn't hard to tell that Norton's hulk was the same hulk but it still wasn't that known to majority of the people going to watch Avengers. The MCU was just being made at that point so post credits scenes wasn't public knowledge.
I agree that Loki wasn't given that much care but the focus of the story was more about the teaming up of superheroes and how to establish them as a real team so there was no space to develop Loki. Unlike Age of Ultron that was already established so they didn't need to take time to create the Avengers. Infinity War is a great example cause the main character was Thanos but that only worked cause all the other characters and teams had their development. Its either they keep the villain simple and develop the main characters and the team or make the villain complex and keep the main characters simple, they didn't have time to do both.
@@anandkhorana7033 You ok mate? You got angry all of a sudden.
The movie's entire story didn't depend on the villain because if it did then Avengers would've been a bad movie. Now if you have that opinion its exactly that, an opinion as Avengers did knock it out of the park commercially and critically. If you can't see the difference between this film and a cartoon filler then maybe you shouldn't be so passionate about story development.
Let me ask you this then, if Thanos wasn't the main character then who was? Thanos had a lot more screen time than anyone else. You complain about Loki being simple then when they give the villain the amount of attention you want you complain again, make up your mind. They did develop Thanos in previous films and what did they develop him as? An ultimate threat.
Also we're not talking about the comics here, we're talking about film. 2 completely different mediums for story telling both of which have their own pros and cons. Film is much more limiting than books or comics when it comes to options for storytelling.
You don't have to care what the majority thinks, I'm simply stating about what circumstances the film makers had to contend with at the time and to them majority opinion matters greatly because in the end film making is a business. You may view yourself as someone who views things at a deeper level than most and maybe you are, but it doesn't change the fact that the opinion of the majority does matter.
@@anandkhorana7033 You keep bringing up Interstellar for no reason further more you keep talking about it like you have some deep profound knowledge of it and then point out the obvious. It's true you need an antagonist but the antagonist doesn't need to be this profound deep being. Using your example with interstellar time is not some deep idealogoy that we must flesh out and develop. Time is simple, its a simple villain. Are you telling me that Interstellar was bad because it had a simple villain?
In the same vain who are you that that people should care about your opinion, and they are opinions. You don't care about any of the business aspects or mass opnion you are the edge lord without a care in the world. So before you start saying "I don't care" about this or that remember that the film makers that make blockbusters are catering to the masses, not only you. Social context does matter, human nature matters.
The screenwriters themselves say Thanos is the protangonist, the actual creators of the film you seem to try and convey some deep understanding of. Thanos is the protangonist, its not opinion its fact.
Funny you talk about how "true art is dying" because you don't like the art that is presented to you. You can rant all you want but your opinions, and they are opinions, doesn't mean anything if you can't back it up with fact. Just cause it's not deep with layers and layers of context doesn't make it any less artistic. By you trying to find the conspiracy theory in everything you fail to see how artistic simplicity can be.
"simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" - Leonardo Da Vinci
@@anandkhorana7033 Thanos is the protagonist of this story, period. You can throw your own opinion on it but Infinity War is literally the story of how Thanos acquired all the infinity stones and who is the centerpiece of that? Thanos. You simply view Thanos as the villain of this story because you simply see him as evil and use his comic book comparison to help bolster your argument, except like I said before this isn't the comics, mate. The events of Infinity War are directly driven by Thanos' actions, there is a villain in this story but Thanos isn't it. But since you wanna use comics lets use them, who is the protagonist of "The Thanos Quest"? Its the story about how Thanos got the Infinity stones, same as Infinity War. By referencing Thanos' past in the comics, which you are doing, you'd say Thanos is the villain right?
"If you can't objectively break down things properly, you have no place and no business saying you have an objective truth to say, not an opinion". Excpet you have done nothing but stated opinion this whole time without adding facts to back up your story. The only "facts" you have presented are from irrelevant topics as they do not hold any water to the main debate. You dismiss my quoting of Da Vinci without even bothering to understand why I did because it's against your opinion. If you can't objectively break down things properly, you have no place and no business saying you have an objective truth to say, not an opinion.
There is a drastic difference between AoT, OPM and HxH and Avengers. For starters, those are tv shows not movies. So they don't have the same limitations of time and animated tv shows do not have the same limitation as live action movies. How you don't understand that I do not know. If you can't objectively break down things properly, you have no place and no business saying you have an objective truth to say, not an opinion
Would you ask a mechanics opinion on brain surgery? Would you ask a soldier's opinion on architecture? Would you ask a graphic designer's opinion on physical therapy? Yet you hold a security guard's opinion on the movie over an expert in the genre like a filmmaker. To take it even further you take his opinion over the actual creators of the film. If a war vet said Spiderman would've probably been a villain cause people with power often become corrupt would you hold his opinion over Stan Lee's when he made Peter Parker. Because by your definition that war vet would have been through life thus his opinion should matter more. Context matters, expertise matters and facts matter. If you can't objectively break down things properly, you have no place and no business saying you have an objective truth to say, not an opinion.
@@anandkhorana7033 "I can't properly think of a rebuttal so I'm just gonna act like you're in the wrong even though I can't prove you're wrong and act like you're the one who can't understand even though my own logic has been proven flawed. Oh I gotta make sure I throw an empty insult at him in the end". There I fixed it for you. Enjoy your hike :)
"Was a good talk"
"No it wasnt..."
lmao
The only thing that made it was the no it wasn’t in my opinion 😂😂😂
@@pocketfulloposeys7525 Yeah i joss whedon's cringey forced jokes in AoU and Justice league.
I have always thought this was the case. Thanks for the technical breakdown.
i like the idea of not knowing the motivation until the characters learn as well, gives me the thought/illusion of witnessing the reveal first hand
The thing with Ultron isn't that his motivation isn't fleshed out, but that it's cliche. "Eliminating humanity because they're an inferior and destructive race" is exactly the first thing that comes to mind when writing an evil robot. He made many interesting philosophical points throughout the movie, but when he revealed that it all summed up to this it was disappointing.
Also, he became a joke in the third act. I get that the movie is supposed to be humorous instead of dark, but when you're trying to build an antagonist that must be taken seriously as a major threat, *maybe* don't make him take so many easy blows from half the Avengers in their final battle just for the sake of making jokes.
This this this this. Sorry Filmento, gotta disagree with you on this vid.
Isn't that basically the same problem in Avengers tho? Loki wants to rule humanity because they're inferior to the gods, sure Thanos is behind it all but that isnt that important until many movies later. Not to mention Loki is completely destroyed by Hulk at the end for a joke.
@@SkittlesInYourHand
Gonna be honest with you: I never understood what exactly made Loki so good in The Avengers. As Filmento already said, it certainly wasn't his motivation by itself, since it was generic (unlike in Thor). Imo it's his charisma and overblown ego that made him so much cooler to watch than any MCU villain up to that point.
When Banner says that his mind is a bag of cats we can actually see it, because Loki did feel unpredictable in the movie but still with logic behind his plans. Not always the best logic (pissing off every single one of the Avengers...), but logic nonetheless.
And so the puny god scene doesn't feel like a betrayal of the character, but an accurate portrayal of Loki's megalomania taking the best of him and making him land flat on his face. Even Hulk was right: he indeed had been a puny god for the whole film, and not even the humorous tone of the scene feels like a betrayal because Loki was never set up as a serious villain to begin with. A major threat, yes, but also a swashbuckler that mixed well with humor not only in this scene, but throughout the whole movie.
Ultron was set up as being a philosophical, sarcastic and tortured character. Did he make jokes along the way? Yes, a few of them, due to being derived from Stark. But that's still not nearly enough to become the butt of so many jokes in the third act, when he should have felt more serious and intimidating than ever. Hell, did you notice that the only major thing he accomplished in that battle (killing Quicksilver) wasn't even done by himself, but an Avengers quinjet he stole? After an entire movie of building an army (and himself) up, he couldn't even do something with his bare hands without Scarlet Witch being distracted or something.
@@SkittlesInYourHand Loki wants to rule Earth to spite Thor, and also made a deal with Thanos for military support to conquer Earth in exchange for the Space Stone. Which is why he said it was too late when Thor talked to him in the climax. Also Loki has delusions of grandeur. He wants the power and the ego stroke of being a ruler without the responsibility, see his Odin act in Ragnarok.
Skittle, I have to disagree. What made Loki a fantastic villain is not that he was bad for the sake of being bad. The line:
“It's the unspoken truth of humanity, that you crave subjugation. The bright lure of freedom diminishes your life's joy in a mad scramble for power, for identity. You were made to be ruled”
That is one of the most beautiful lines, although extremely evil. What he saying is that he is “burdened with the glorious purpose”. He has no intention of being their ruler, but he is doing humans a favor. It’s a much more we’ll flushed out villain than just being evil for the sake of being evil. Also, Tom H. performance is just amazing.
I love them both, but I can easily watch Avengers more than Ultron.
Funny, it's the opposite for me. Absolutely love AoU while Avengers feels like a great start of a franchise but it doesn't feel like the current avangers anymore to me.
@@merijn4440 I mean... Of course it doesn't feel like the current Avengers. There was a grand total of four movies that were meant to do any kind of world-building (maaaaybe five if you include Incredible Hulk, but that was before the idea of the MCU really even saw conception). It was literally the start of the journey for several characters. It was the establishing point for most the MCU as it is, and wasn't really a turning point for most of the characters until close to the end. Current Avengers has had a lot more time to grow and change them, as a culmination of over fifty hours of story-building.
@@DaSuDanesi oh yea definitely, it was in no way meant as a problem for original Avengers. The characters just feel a lot more fleshed out in Ultron and the villain is more interesting imo, but the story has more epicness in the original (because its the first time they come together)
@@merijn4440 I was born with the gift of liking ever movie I see for the first time for hells sake I liked CARS 2 so I find it hilarious about people fighting over movie charachters
My problem with avengers is it does look like a soap opera series than a movie and Loki's motives aren't that compelling as Ultrons...
I've actually thought of the same thing for years though. When I was a kid I found the first Avengers movie quite boring due to the constant talking and less action for half the movies' runtime. While age of Ultron was a better movie compared to the first one cause it has balance between talking and action scenes.
Well the first time I saw Ultron was in a cartoon where he was just so poverful and op and menacing that in the movie he felt small and weak compared to how I knew him before
Which was one of the my main problems
Especially after he died in just one movie where as in other media he is a constantly returning threat
Ultron was pretty much the first Marvel villain I ever knew
I always had the feeling AoU wasn't that bad, but each and every time it had been said that the Ultron from the comics were far superior as a character and a threat to The Avengers that it was in the film. But honestly, I never read anything about it before the movie, so I wasn't biased by the source material, which lead me to actually enjoy the movie. Thanks for confirm my perspective.
The reason people like Ultron better in the comic is:
1. He's a lot more menacing and threatening for the team.
2. They dont have to solve Ultron n one movie, so the relationship between the team and the villain goes over tons of comics and is built up well.
3. There's a much stronger relationship between Ultron and his creator, who was Hank Pym, and they do a lot of emphasis on how Ultron is actually exactly what Hank wanted, he just never realized how dark his desires were. They also have a great relationship between Hank and Ultron, as since Hank was Ultron's father, so Ultron often felt super abandoned and Hank didn't love him at all. Hank once used that to trick Ultron lying about loving him temporairily defeating him, until he comes back enraged, knowing that Hank hates his son.
@@goldenstatewarriors9418 That's basically ever villian in comics. Comic material is always going to dive in more with relationships philosophy and he they can do more crazy shit. Not defending to be honest I'm more of a dc fan although I still like avengers more then age of ultron but I also think you wouldnt like many of my opinions of the mcu.
@@themadclown4077 Thing about Ultron was my favorite part of him was always the twisted relationship between him and Hank. Ultron is more than just a dark reflection of Hank, he's also sometimes exactly what Hank wants to be. Ultron hates his creator, but still considers Hank his father, and the twisted times where Hank treats Ultron as a son and Ultron couldn't care less are great. Hank is a much darker character and he has parts of him that he's not proud of. The manifestation of that is Ultron. Not the overcampy goofball we see. Ultron's humor is supposed to be sick, but harshly true, not just funny and cringy.
@@deanjustdean7818 Chip Zdarsky's Daredevil is pretty mature. So's Al Ewing's Immortal Hulk. So was Spider-Man Life Story And Spectacular Spider-Man #310 both written by Chip Zdarsky.
Got to take source material into consideration when breaking down these films overall in my opinion. I say this about anything. If the movie was about a historical figure or mythology I'd say the same. Especially if you're breaking down the story.
Most people I feel are now more knowledgeable about the comics and not just fans of the comics if that makes sense. Like yeah a lot of MCU fans habe read the comics but more haven't. But I'd argue more people now are more knowledgeable about the comic lore without having read them. Ultron is one of the most formidable and dangerous threats the avengers ever face. In this film he is comical. His film is also named age of ultron yet he is drafted in about a weekend.
Lastly these films have to take their source material into consideration to appeal to both fans and new comers. So making it in the traditional way movies are made wouldn't work. Loki in comics is ambiguous in what he does. His plans shouldn't be known and take issues to reveal, just like they did in the films. Thats why I say with films that take their inspiration from source material you have to also break them down while also acknowledging the comics. Otherwise your not doing it in full and in my opinion handicapped.
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jarvis best waifu
man i miss jarvis and with the new endgame out where we learn jarvis was his butler and kinda best friend god D:
I like Jarvis better but we had to move on and I don’t mind Friday
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@@SimaoRodrigues... Aifu?
One of my favorite Filmento Marvel Videos.
*reads title*
“These are confusing times”
Wait....a video defending Age of Ultron and saying it's superior then The Avengers?!? I'M SO HAPPY THAT I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE!
I personally disagree. Aren’t opinions great? We can have different ones and still be friendly with one another.
@@kingdangoz1771 naw. let's fight. :P
I've always felt Age of Ultron got disproportionately ragged on, so I appreciate this vid.
For the record I was disagreeing with the other comment under the main comment, not the main comment itself.
@@kingdangoz1771 So you'd say the Age of Ultron final battle is better? I'd say I favor the one in The Avengers, but perhaps that's largely nostalgia. I'm curious, what's your case for AoU's finale?
I think Avengers was more set pieces clashing at once, and AoU was one giant set piece imploding that imo had more emotion behind it. That’s mainly what sealed it for me.
Adding to the point at 5:45, the discussion started out cold as in from a cold problem to a warmer tone, or a solution to a problem. Problem being Bruce Banner or Hulk always being needed for fights or wars or conflicts to a solution which is what potentially Ultron could have been. Or on a more zoomed out perspective, Avenger's required in every conflict to having a 'suit of armor' around the world, so to speak. Please comment if anyone sees it differently, or if I missed to look much deeper into the scene. :)
Avengers 2012 feels like a crossover episode, an amazing one of course, but Age of Ultron feels like a Movie
I personally prefer the Avengers, but Ultron is still good movie.
Jambo The Knight i prefer endgame
@@emanuelii3102 yeah me too actually lmao
@@emanuelii3102 Endgame was trash
@@emanuelii3102 I actually prefer ultron over avengers, because there's a lot more happening there.
@@emanuelii3102 IW was way better.