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Only Jesus should be thanked and glorified in all our healings and testimonies. Something wrong when a pastor demands to be thanked and glorified as well. This is typical of a cult leader. Jesus doesn't share His glory with any man

Well said! I once asked a close friend and business associate of many years on what he thinks of JP-without telling him who is JP -....after looking and listening to a short clip i given him, his immediate instinctive reply was :" this fellow cannot be trusted". Sometimes worldly people can recognised a fake or false preacher instinctively better than most church goers who dont study the bible.

For JP supposedly moving in the Spirit and proclaiming healing with his anointing over his church for over twenty years, the blind walked, the deaf see and the crippled hear. That is the story of his anointing.

@@jamesteo9165 Will a pastor under the anointing be telling half truth and twists the bible verses. By the way do you notice he never pray before he preach. Even his good friend Brian Houston did pray before he preaches.

Agreed, its nauseating looking at the way he is trying to prove himself. Very uncomfortable watching it.

​@@Mel-jp7fh-i6uhe always claim that he is good looking.

​@leeclement4705 Lucifer still thinks he's the best looking creature. Both the same narcissistic nature.

@@leeclement4705 Regular botox...to keep his look. Vanity of Vanities.

@@leeclement4705 Ya, my sister used to say that he likes to boost about his "good look".

By all standards, NCC with over $100 million in annual income, is very rich and influential with a small percentage spent on missions and charities. What happen to the rest of the money? And for JP ministry to spent huge sums broadcasting his sermons by buying airtime over many countries at primetime slots likely. That could explain his huge following online. Where does that money come from?

Good question. Collecting tithes for selfish purpose can be like a pyramid scheme that will keep getting members (and money) without accountability to anyone. For example (just an assumption, ok?), let's say a person "Mr. P" has convinced all his family members, relatives, and friends to keep investing 10% of their income into his fantastic 'bitcoin' project that can make money and promise high returns, but nobody bothers what and how he is going to do it. So, after convincing them that his scheme is a win-win or 'huat-huat' scenario where those invested more and earlier at top will always benefit more, more and more 'tithing' investors are recruited everyday. Do you know that Mr. P didn't need to come up with a single cent and yet he could generate some amount of returns for everybody at the top (without even investing in anything) by using the money from the new members to pay those at the top? And as more and more people invested, he could make it appear to be more and more convincing too. So, like any pyramid schemes, he could ensure that those at the top who invested more and earlier would always get more as promised. So, first month, he started with 2 members who gave 1/10 each. But if subsequently each one of them could get another 2 members to join them, it will work like as shown below, until in the end, he might have 30,000 people: -------------------------------------------------- Mr. P v 1/10 1/10 v v 1/10 1/10 1/10 1/10 v v v v ... (30,000 have given 1/10) ... -------------------------------------------------- So, can you see how much money he can collect if he has 30,000 people who believe in such a scheme. I know that your imagination is running wild now, but please do not try it and think that it can be done easily. Normally, people, institution, or community who can do it must be bound by law to account for it in the way it is collected, used, or put into investments. However, when there is no accountability and the people think that "Mr. P" has no need to give accountability to anyone, do you know what will happen? The money could be so much that you can buy a rocket to send to the moon. Common sense tells you that, if you do not want to pay tax, just spend everything on luxurious items, go for exclusive holidays, fly in business class, employ Holywood image consultants, give generous honorariums to DJs who can entertain in the company D&Ds, seminars, or functions, .. etc .. And if these still cannot spend everything, buy a mall or casino. Well, these are just my wild imagination if I were the MD of such a 'cash rich' company. But what if I were the pastor of a church?

Frankly speaking, I don’t trust the way NCC handles the tithes when I found out the Star performing arts allowed a drag show to be performed in 2023, months after the repeal of 377A. The same stage used for praise and worship on Sunday used for a drag show. I can’t believe that a place of worship was rented out for something that is satanic. Also, I noticed that neither JP nor any leader in NCC did put a strong emphasis on sticking to the biblical scriptures views against homosexuality and the LGBT after the repel was made. Compared to NCC, many Anglican, Methodist, and other traditional churches in Singapore have reassured their congregations about their standing against the sins of the LGBT as stated in the scriptures. Where’s the fear of the lord in NCC? I’ve heard there are some members of NCC who are hidden closeted LGBT.

If I were the pastor of such a church, I will keep preaching the health and wealth gospel and that I am a type of king David who will encourage all those who are qualified to be my *'3D ARMY'* (quoted from 1Sa 22:2), and that I will dress like a king, speak like a king, and prophesy like a king and .. etc, to show that (under the sound of my voice) I have the anointing to heal and save more people every Sunday (when I call out their sicknesses).

Right. The Message puts James 2:21-24 very clearly: Wasn’t our ancestor Abraham “made right with God by works” when he placed his son Isaac on the sacrificial altar? Isn’t it obvious that faith and works are yoked partners, that faith expresses itself in works? That the works are “works of faith”? The full meaning of “believe” in the Scripture sentence, “Abraham believed God and was set right with God,” includes his action. It’s that weave of believing and acting that got Abraham named “God’s friend.” Is it not evident that a person is made right with God not by a barren faith but by faith fruitful in works?

Like father (Satan), like son (JP)

Only those who read the Bible . The Bible is God and only His sheep hear His Voice. I must say a big thank you to these platform it keeps me busy checking the Bible.

​@@leeclement4705 Check up some good Bible commentaries too. They may help to deepen your understanding. You will realise that JP teaching is full of half-truths and distortions that serve his own purpose.

@@achakvenn On Sunday 13th Oct 2024, JP asks his congregation to meditate on Bible verses. Well, I would say that if the congregation really do it more sheep will leave NCC. He does not know what the Word of God is all about because I can testify that the more, I meditate the better I am in knowing the cleansing power of the Word because the Word is God.

@@tanjason2640 when there was a time on a Sunday and the church had big slogans “grace revolution” all round the premises. I was asking what REVOLUTION? We ought to be preaching and following JESUS and He alone be magnified. I started to feel something is wrong here. I was then serving. I kept asking is Tis teaching and Jp and pastors preaching nonsense or fairy tale? Surely surely a keen spirit following after our Lord, I left NCC. All praises to Him. I have escaped from the snare of the Fowler!

Another slogan is the 'Benjamin Generation'. Did Jesus or Paul or any of the apostles teach that? Did they ever mention those two words? Why Benjamin Generation? Because its an ever growing catch for him. The young are relatively Bible-ignorant and easy targets of his heretical teachings, and they will be rich sources of fertilisers for the building's bank accounts.

By the way Ps Benjamin has left NCC. He was a close friend of JP and his inner circle. Does it signify the passing of the Benjamin generation? Ps Benjamin was once the youth pastor and commanded a strong following among the youths. Some of the pastors were mentor by him under his youth ministry. What were the reasons for his leaving, does anyone know? Could he have disagree strongly with some of JP teachings.

​@jamesteo9165 Pastor Benjamin is currently in a leadership position in Kingdomcity church. Not sure if this church is affiliate to NCC.

Rem there is a Pastor Joe Purcell Jr last time, Joscelin Yeo's husband. He also stepped down.

Yes listening to the preachers you listed will open your eyes to the shallowness, falsity and heresy in jp's teachings. Its incredible that so many in NCC are still so blinded and gullible.

He pretended very well when he said to the congregation know them by their fruit. He acted as if his fruit is good and others' fruit is bad. His congregation must have believed that his fruit is good while he hides the ugly facts from them.

I am concerned about those young children at Rock Kidz. They are already indoctrinated by the many wrong teachings at such a young age. What sort of lifestyle will they embrace when they become adults? I can only think of the unholy and unrighteous fruits being produce in many of their lives. Their favourite book might even be "Live The Let Go Life" instead of the Holy Bible.

As a young adult who used to attend rock kids while growing up in NCC, I can share some of the doctrines taught to the children I briefly remember. From what I remember, the Sunday School teachers taught that the traditional worship through singing traditional hymns while the pipe organ is being played is boring in order for the children to fully embrace modern praise and worship music. One of the teachers also mentioned that Christians can be “crazy” as they can expect God’s blessings. There was also a time when one of the teachers shared of her experience of God’s healing by taking the Holy Communion 3 times a day like medicine. She claimed that she was fully healed. Overall, the Sunday school teachers in Rock Kids did not preach about the 10 Commandments and the fear of the lord besides preaching about God’s love and Jesus sacrifice on the cross to the children. In fact, I think the children in Rock Kids were more interested in playing Mario Kart on the Nintendo Wii and Beyblade than listening to the gospel. I have to admit that I used to be one of those kids who look forward to play Mario Kart in church than hearing the word. Now, I’m trying to look for a real church that has strong biblical doctrines and uphold the principles of marriage.

While I am against Joseph Prince on his hyper grace teachings, especially on the issue of marriage, could you clarify on how does his book “ Live The Let Go Life” contribute to the problem? From my understanding, it’s another self help book by JP that overcomes mental issues, just like Joel Osteen.

@@DonaldMike-h4f Jp must preach godly living n loving our Lord, having the fear of our Lord, the reverential awe of Him. Obey the word n Holy Spirit, be sanctified not just forgiven n justified. If the Word is not upheld n sin needs no repentance we can only let go to more stress, more broken marriages, more unruly children who do not understand the basics of Christianity. They will only follow a false gospel that leads to destruction. How fearsome can it be!!!

@@sg1965sg shame on Tis leadership! Members or church goers who choose to be there are as equally responsible for their choice n decision. They are not exempted in their accountability before our Lord.

@@WordsofGodThe a church of convenience and in agreement to decadence lifestyle.

Pls do not judge. Only God is the righteous judge.

Actually, Joseph Prince fully knows the power of 'grace' or '2nd chance', or else he would not preach grace so radically that it becomes a 'hyper grace' that goes against the law of God and repentance (both of which are the fundamental doctrine of Christ). So, he doesn't really care if people label him as the 'prince of grace' or 'false prophet of grace'. He knows that as long as he preaches 'grace' or '2nd chance', he will get *'99.9%'* of those who are divorced, abused in their childhood, plagued by mental issues of condemnation, addicted to some kind of sexual sins, and etc. I am not against those who are victimized by sins or evil men, neither do I have discrimination against them; however, I will ask them, If you were in one of those category of sins, won't you think that there will be *'99.9%'* likelihood that you will go to NCC. That's why Joseph Prince boasted a number of times and proudly preached about his *'3D ARMY'* who will 'fight for righteousness' in the name of 'grace' revolution. Actually, he knew for sure that his *'3D ARMY'* would 'do anything' to justify him or defend him like they defended king David in the Bible. Yes, king David did have the so-called *'3D ARMY'* of the distressed, in debt, and discontented: 1Sa 22:2 KJV And every one that was in distress, and every one that was in debt, and every one that was discontented, gathered themselves unto him; and he became a captain over them: and there were with him about four hundred men. I will tell them, Today, there is no more king David. If you think that you are still one of those *'3D ARMY'*, please continue to fight the true battle of righteousness by living out the righteousness of God in a true church. Don't just have the false hope of fighting for a 'false prince', 'false David', or 'false Joseph' who will do nothing for you when you are supposed to give an account of yourselves to the Lord. If you really search your heart now, you would realize that you are not fighting for the 'prince' in NCC, you are fighting only for your old 'self' - which is 'self-justification', 'self-glorification', and 'self-delusion'. If you are honest enough to ask yourselves this question: "Is Joseph Prince preaching the true Jesus who can judge and save?" You will know the answer yourselves, and you will know that IT IS TIME to leave him, leave your very old 'self', and move on to find the true peace of life in the Word of God.

​​@@michellechuah37 So those people or their families who were harmed by JP teachings, esp the HC, should not judge and should not have written their testimonies? They should just keep quiet and not expose the danger of JP teachings and warn others ? What do you think?

​@@michellechuah37 📖1 Corinthians 5:12 AMP [12] For what business is it of mine to judge outsiders (non-believers)? Do you not judge those who are within the church [to protect the church as the situation requires]? J. Thayer comments that "the proper meaning of "judge" 2919 (krínō) is to pick out (choose) by separating" (as also used in Homer, Herodotus, Aeschyl., Xenophon, Plato). 2919 /krínō ("distinguish, judge") typically refers to making a determination of right or wrong (innocence or guilt), especially on an official (legal) standard. We only judge (2919 /krínō) accurately by intelligent comparison and contrast based on God's word, i.e. to approve (prefer) what is correct and reject what is inferior (wrong).

Good observation and good question. Why he's not proud to invite a confirmed case to give testimony publicly? It must be himself or his leaders to give testimonies of anonymous members? Something is not right. Anyway their testimonies not worth listening to.. End up glorifying JP indirectly. You would always hear 'after listening to JP's teaching, I got well, etc'.

Of course they won't give the real reason why certain pastors or leaders left NCC I'm not sure if you remember there was a Ps Keith Monterio. He was assigned to be in charge of Grace Revolution Church in the early days. Suddenly, he was removed, and now no news of him on social media at all.

There was also another elder by the name of John Lim from NCC. He also "disappeared" and later started a new church under the umbrella of City Harvest Church. Pastor Kong Hee became his mentor. He was also a millionaire businessman who foundered Altron Computer School in the 90s. He said he followed all the principles in the Book Of Proverbs and God made him into a millionaire. He gave God all the credit in prospering his business. He and his wife were very hardworking christians and John Lim used to bless NCC during its early years in ministry. JP and John Lim were very close buddies in the 90's.

There is still another businessman that I can think of. He is the founder of Kent Air group of companies. Can anyone remember the Kent Air Amusement Park in Parkway Parade in the early 90's? He was right before Olivia Lum. He was also JP "posterboy" when he was featured in the Straits Times for being the owner of a D.15 bungalow that comes with a tennis court and swimming pool in Upper East Coast Road. However, during the Asia Financial Crisis (1997) his business somehow dipped and he was later declared a bankrupt. But he was an upright businessman that happened to go down under during those difficult years. Hoped he is doing well now. A few years later our government even "force" the merger of UOB and OUB into one bank. That was how bad those times were.

Yes, these are people who had prospered and then disappeared: 1. Pastor Joshua 2. Pastor Keith Monteiro 3. Kent-Air Director 4. Hyflux Director 5. Pastor Joe 6. Pastor John Lim 7. Pastor Brian Houston (Hillsong) 8. Pastor Carl Lentz (Hillsong) 9. anymore ??? Obviously, these are people who prospered but they were not destined to reign. If you still read his book "Destined to Reign", be warned that you won't reign if you keep listening to him. Please don't stop listening to him only when you ended up becoming like those pastors or directors above.

According to my serving team leader, Pastor Josh wasn't coping well and was having issues with how the church was being run back then. It became a corporation/ business rather than a church. NCC tried to retain Pastor Josh by transferring him to a department that he is comfortable with. But Pastor Josh decided to move on.

Visuals can be convincing. He went to the extent of producing a video of the golden pipes carrying down different blessings from heaven to those who do not "worry". How unscrupulous a false preacher can be! As Paul warns, savage wolves will come who show NO mercy.

is it The New Covenant Church in Malaysia?

Well said! Not surprise because it's coming from his flesh, and other sources, not from God for sure

Wovles come in sheep clothing. The devil in the pulpit comes in Sunday suit without putting horns on his head. Now false Christs do not come in white flowing robes. One sign is they keep repeating and repeatiing now and then "I preach Christ. I put Christ at the centre". Thats the power of repetition in indoctrination- those followers in NCC are so brainwashed as to believe that no pastor preaches Christ in such a "beautiful" way like JP does. The measure of a true or false prophet is given in Deut 18:20-22 ..The Message Bible puts it clearly and simply. "But any prophet who fakes it, who claims to speak in my name something I haven’t commanded him to say, or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die.” You may be wondering among yourselves, “How can we tell the difference, whether it was God who spoke or not?” Here’s how: If what the prophet spoke in God’s name doesn’t happen, then obviously God wasn’t behind it; the prophet made it up. Forget about him."

I can verify that, I was in that services. That time my frens and I were still envy them such beautiful couple. But under grace teaching, their lifestyle and ungodly choices reflect a bad testimony.

It is repentant that God can do the restoration.

Yes, the most humblest way to show respect towards God is always repentance. God honours repentance as He looks to the heart of men. King David was a murderer and he sinned but he repented eventually. God restored him because his heart was right before God. God even described King David as a man after God's heart. On the other side, we have King Saul. He was an insecured king. He was also a rebellious, disobedient and sinful king. A king full of pride and into the occult etc.... I see JP having many similar traits as King Saul. JP is a type and shadow of the modern day King Saul. I am comparing them in terms of leadership. Obviously JP is not a King. Both are rejected by God. Do you think the Holy Spirit will work with someone like JP and use him for His Glory? Are the blessings of God like healings and many others in NCC the workings of the Holy Spirit? Do you think that the Holy Spirit will share God's Glory with the RuPaul spirits on the same pulpit? In fact it will only grieve His heart. In one of the many Howard Pittman's near death experience testimonies, God specifically told him to share his testimony only to the churches that God instructed him to go to. This clearly shows that God has already started His process of the wheat and tares in the body of Christ. God has already prejudged which church belongs to Him and all the others that dont belong to Him. That means His Holy Spirit will not operate in all churches in the body of Christ. Lets not play the game of hide and seek with God anymore. Repentance is the only key to unlock God's heart towards true restoration with God. Better to be late than never.

JP claims to heal so many people but he never pick anyone to give testimonies and to give glory to God. That is freaking strange.

When Joseph Prince keeps saying that he is not a prophet and that he is just a pastor whom the Lord loves, he confidently believes and preaches that no one can call him a false prophet or associate him with a false prophet (just because he thinks that he is not a prophet?). However, after giving so much false prophecies on people, pastors, covid, sickness, prosperity, and word of God, can he really deny that? I don't think so. Do you know that a preacher, pastor, prophet, or king can sin and be removed by God even if he did not sin like a great sinner, sin with killing, cheating, committing adulteries, or sin against the Ten Commandments? Like king Saul, he can just disobey a serious God's commandment and become totally rejected by God. You might argue that disobedience is never a logical factor to be considered as a great sin that can remove a preacher, pastor, prophet, or king from his office or ministry, but the Bible is very clear about sin. A 'small' 'tiny' sin of not listening to the word of God could cost someone like king Saul greatly. Many will still argue like Joseph Prince and say, "Yes, that was a serious sin when you live under the Old Testament, but we are now under grace. We live without such law or requirement now. We are not under the law; we are under grace .." I will ask them, Are you sure you are under grace, and therefore you are not under any law to obey God? You may still twist your words and argue that you are now under: 1. only 'grace to obey God', and therefore 2. no more law to obey God If you are arguing with your argument or logic of grace that you are no longer under the law to obey God, can you tell us what is the logic of 'obeying God by grace'? Is there any Bible verse that support your logic? Do you know that when you obey God, you don't obey by grace; you obey by the word of God? And the word of God that requires obedience is definitely an instruction, a commandment, a requirement, or a law to do something. When king Saul was asked to obey God, he was not asked to obey by grace. Similarly, when the Bible or New Testament tells us to obey God today, we are not asked to obey by grace too. We still obey by the word or law of God. We still obey by the definition of God's words (the definition of what is obedience and disobedience). Please think, Why did the Bible tell us that sin is lawlessness? It is because lawlessness always refers to disobedience. When someone disobeys, he would disobey the word or law of God. This Bible definition can never be applied (or used by people like Joseph Prince) to argue that there is obedience when they just need to have grace or just need to be under grace, and therefore there is no more need for the law of God: 1Jn 3:4-5 LITV Everyone practicing sin also practices lawlessness, and *sin is lawlessness.* (5) And you know that that One was revealed that He might take away our sins, and sin is not in Him.

Do you know why Moses and Elijah appeared beside Jesus on the mount of transfiguration? One of the purpose is to show that we must listen to Him: Mat 17:5 KJV While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. I will ask Joseph Prince, Do you listen to Paul or Jesus? If you still listen to Jesus, how can His teaching (majority of his teaching and parables before His crucifixion) be for those who were under the law? Next, the transfiguration shows that Jesus, Moses, and Elijah were together, which means there is an important link between the Old and New covenant. It shows that Jesus did not come to abolish the Old Covenant, but to fulfil it. Moses represents the Prophet of law and Elijah represents the Prophet of repentance: one brought down God's commandments, the another called people to repentance (to obey God by the law), and Jesus came to fulfil it. In another words, *JESUS* made it possible for men to have both *LAW* and *REPENTANCE* through Him and by believing in Him (not by rejecting the law or repentance). That's why when John the Baptist came to preach repentance, he is a type of Elijah too: Mat 17:9-13 KJV And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. (10) And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? (11) And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. (12) But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. (13) Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of *John the Baptist.* So, if the 'Jesus' that Joseph Prince preaches has no *LAW* or *REPENTANCE,* how can it be the gospel of Jesus Christ? Without the link or witnesses of law and repentance, the 'gospel' of Joseph Prince will never lead people to forgiveness of sins; but to disobedience and lawlessness.

Now we know why Jesus would preach *LAW* and *REPENTANCE* because on one hand, He has judgement by *LAW* and on the other hand grace for *REPENTANCE.* He would do both: 1. 'On one hand' condemn the Pharisees as hypocrites, and 2. 'On the other hand' give grace to the sinners who repent It is a clear picture that Jesus is the true Messiah and Savior who can judge and save *at the same time* (He would love sinners and hate sin). However, do you know on what basis He condemned or judged the Pharisees as the hypocrites? Of course, God's commandments (the Ten Commandments or moral law): Mat 15:6-9 KJV And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the *COMMANDMENT* of God of none effect by your tradition. (7) Ye *HYPOCRITES,* well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, (8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. (9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Mat 23:23-25 KJV Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, *HYPOCRITES!* for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the *LAW, JUDGEMENT,* mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. (24) Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. (25) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. So, if a preacher like Joseph Prince comes to you today and preach a 'Jesus' who can only love sinners but never judge anyone, Is 'He' really the true Jesus who would judge and save? I don't think so even though Joseph Prince and his 'Jesus' has endeavored to judge the Pharisees as the hypocrites. I will ask Joseph Prince and his 'Jesus', On what basis do you condemn or accuse the Pharisees? Based on grace? Or based on lawlessness? Or based on nothing? If he still couldn't answer us, this would expose him and his 'Jesus' as fake.

Yes, someone wasn't sick.

bcos, pronounce healing on those unseen illness does not need accountability.

Yes, Leah got buried with Abraham and not Rachel. And Rachel was the one that stole her father's idols to worship in secret and she never repent by returning it. In fact, many of his sermons rarely touch even on Jesus and there are plenty of words twisting.

In facts most of time he tends to glorify the brother Joseph. He always says that Joseph is the type of Christ. Joseph's son Benjamin which he always mentioned Benjamin generation.

@@leeclement4705 true very true.

@@edmundsim6251 Yes he has the audacity to twist GOD'S word.

Is JP teaching biblical repentance ? No! His repentance no godly sorrow, no commandments broken , no deeds worthy of repentance preached ! Is he teaching biblical grace ? No ! Paul taught that he laboured more but JP grace is effortless success . Is JP preaching biblical prosperity ? No!! He talks abt tithing & getting rich . Paul talks abt the grace of giving & being content in all circumstances . Is JP preaching biblical new covenant ? No ! He taught that the law is done away with that the commandments , the big 10 no longer apply & there is no consequence of sin. Paul mentioned the commandments & it's written in our hearts . So what is JP teaching ? A contradicting message. His sermons are inconsistent as George Ong pointed out many times. Yet followers not only blindly follow but blindly defend him .