JP, his pastors and NCC congregation should give heed to Brother - Rev. George Ong's rebuke, correction, instructions he has been doing with patience, based on 2Tim 4:2-5. Or jp's teaching will lead many couples and younger generation to damnation. That church needs preachers like Paul washer, Voddie Baucham, Zac Poonen and of course Rev. George Ong.
Yes listening to the preachers you listed will open your eyes to the shallowness, falsity and heresy in jp's teachings. Its incredible that so many in NCC are still so blinded and gullible.
False prophesy, false healing, false teaching. We all should earnestly pray that God takes away this thorn within this generation. Nothing is impossible for the Lord. All glory to Him.
NCC also broke the rule of not officiating weddings if couples who have been living together before marriage. Glenn and Jamie did that and yet NCC made an exception for them.
@@sg1965sg shame on Tis leadership! Members or church goers who choose to be there are as equally responsible for their choice n decision. They are not exempted in their accountability before our Lord.
Recently, there is a news article by CBS News about a couple of members of Gateway Church in Texas, USA, launching a class action lawsuit against Gateway Church over the misuse of financial tithes which the church claims that they have placed aside 15% of tithes for global mission fields. According to the lawsuit, the church members are not satisfied with the church’s use of the tithes as a financial report revealed that less than 15% were used for global missions and the members want a refund of their money as the ex head pastor of Gateway Church, Robert Morris, did mention members can ask for their money back if they feel the church is misusing it. Given that Robert Morris has been pushing his congregation to heavily tithe to Gateway Church, similar to JP, I wonder how much percentage of tithes has been placed aside for NCC’s mission trips to the ASEAN 3rd world countries and how much percentage has been misused for non-church related purposes. If a financial audit were to discover about the misuse of funds in NCC, NCC could have a greater scandal than CHC.
By all standards, NCC with over $100 million in annual income, is very rich and influential with a small percentage spent on missions and charities. What happen to the rest of the money? And for JP ministry to spent huge sums broadcasting his sermons by buying airtime over many countries at primetime slots likely. That could explain his huge following online. Where does that money come from?
Good question. Collecting tithes for selfish purpose can be like a pyramid scheme that will keep getting members (and money) without accountability to anyone. For example (just an assumption, ok?), let's say a person "Mr. P" has convinced all his family members, relatives, and friends to keep investing 10% of their income into his fantastic 'bitcoin' project that can make money and promise high returns, but nobody bothers what and how he is going to do it. So, after convincing them that his scheme is a win-win or 'huat-huat' scenario where those invested more and earlier at top will always benefit more, more and more 'tithing' investors are recruited everyday. Do you know that Mr. P didn't need to come up with a single cent and yet he could generate some amount of returns for everybody at the top (without even investing in anything) by using the money from the new members to pay those at the top? And as more and more people invested, he could make it appear to be more and more convincing too. So, like any pyramid schemes, he could ensure that those at the top who invested more and earlier would always get more as promised. So, first month, he started with 2 members who gave 1/10 each. But if subsequently each one of them could get another 2 members to join them, it will work like as shown below, until in the end, he might have 30,000 people: -------------------------------------------------- Mr. P v 1/10 1/10 v v 1/10 1/10 1/10 1/10 v v v v ... (30,000 have given 1/10) ... -------------------------------------------------- So, can you see how much money he can collect if he has 30,000 people who believe in such a scheme. I know that your imagination is running wild now, but please do not try it and think that it can be done easily. Normally, people, institution, or community who can do it must be bound by law to account for it in the way it is collected, used, or put into investments. However, when there is no accountability and the people think that "Mr. P" has no need to give accountability to anyone, do you know what will happen? The money could be so much that you can buy a rocket to send to the moon. Common sense tells you that, if you do not want to pay tax, just spend everything on luxurious items, go for exclusive holidays, fly in business class, employ Holywood image consultants, give generous honorariums to DJs who can entertain in the company D&Ds, seminars, or functions, .. etc .. And if these still cannot spend everything, buy a mall or casino. Well, these are just my wild imagination if I were the MD of such a 'cash rich' company. But what if I were the pastor of a church?
Frankly speaking, I don’t trust the way NCC handles the tithes when I found out the Star performing arts allowed a drag show to be performed in 2023, months after the repeal of 377A. The same stage used for praise and worship on Sunday used for a drag show. I can’t believe that a place of worship was rented out for something that is satanic. Also, I noticed that neither JP nor any leader in NCC did put a strong emphasis on sticking to the biblical scriptures views against homosexuality and the LGBT after the repel was made. Compared to NCC, many Anglican, Methodist, and other traditional churches in Singapore have reassured their congregations about their standing against the sins of the LGBT as stated in the scriptures. Where’s the fear of the lord in NCC? I’ve heard there are some members of NCC who are hidden closeted LGBT.
If I were the pastor of such a church, I will keep preaching the health and wealth gospel and that I am a type of king David who will encourage all those who are qualified to be my *'3D ARMY'* (quoted from 1Sa 22:2), and that I will dress like a king, speak like a king, and prophesy like a king and .. etc, to show that (under the sound of my voice) I have the anointing to heal and save more people every Sunday (when I call out their sicknesses).
@jamesteo9165 you are correct. What NCC gives away to charities and other organisations is nothing compared to the amounts they save or invest in. Who are the ones who benefit or have access to the extra funds that they save or invest? Not forgetting Grace Revolution Church as well as Joseph Prince Int'l Ministry
Amen. Indeed Joseph Prince has been considered as the 'prince of grace' by many sinners and believers. Why? It's because he is a 'prince' who gives you many '2nd chance', including marriages. So, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know why there are still many people flocking to NCC even though they know that he is a false prophet of grace.
Actually, Joseph Prince fully knows the power of 'grace' or '2nd chance', or else he would not preach grace so radically that it becomes a 'hyper grace' that goes against the law of God and repentance (both of which are the fundamental doctrine of Christ). So, he doesn't really care if people label him as the 'prince of grace' or 'false prophet of grace'. He knows that as long as he preaches 'grace' or '2nd chance', he will get *'99.9%'* of those who are divorced, abused in their childhood, plagued by mental issues of condemnation, addicted to some kind of sexual sins, and etc. I am not against those who are victimized by sins or evil men, neither do I have discrimination against them; however, I will ask them, If you were in one of those category of sins, won't you think that there will be *'99.9%'* likelihood that you will go to NCC. That's why Joseph Prince boasted a number of times and proudly preached about his *'3D ARMY'* who will 'fight for righteousness' in the name of 'grace' revolution. Actually, he knew for sure that his *'3D ARMY'* would 'do anything' to justify him or defend him like they defended king David in the Bible. Yes, king David did have the so-called *'3D ARMY'* of the distressed, in debt, and discontented: 1Sa 22:2 KJV And every one that was in distress, and every one that was in debt, and every one that was discontented, gathered themselves unto him; and he became a captain over them: and there were with him about four hundred men. I will tell them, Today, there is no more king David. If you think that you are still one of those *'3D ARMY'*, please continue to fight the true battle of righteousness by living out the righteousness of God in a true church. Don't just have the false hope of fighting for a 'false prince', 'false David', or 'false Joseph' who will do nothing for you when you are supposed to give an account of yourselves to the Lord. If you really search your heart now, you would realize that you are not fighting for the 'prince' in NCC, you are fighting only for your old 'self' - which is 'self-justification', 'self-glorification', and 'self-delusion'. If you are honest enough to ask yourselves this question: "Is Joseph Prince preaching the true Jesus who can judge and save?" You will know the answer yourselves, and you will know that IT IS TIME to leave him, leave your very old 'self', and move on to find the true peace of life in the Word of God.
@@michellechuah37 So those people or their families who were harmed by JP teachings, esp the HC, should not judge and should not have written their testimonies? They should just keep quiet and not expose the danger of JP teachings and warn others ? What do you think?
@@michellechuah37 📖1 Corinthians 5:12 AMP [12] For what business is it of mine to judge outsiders (non-believers)? Do you not judge those who are within the church [to protect the church as the situation requires]? J. Thayer comments that "the proper meaning of "judge" 2919 (krínō) is to pick out (choose) by separating" (as also used in Homer, Herodotus, Aeschyl., Xenophon, Plato). 2919 /krínō ("distinguish, judge") typically refers to making a determination of right or wrong (innocence or guilt), especially on an official (legal) standard. We only judge (2919 /krínō) accurately by intelligent comparison and contrast based on God's word, i.e. to approve (prefer) what is correct and reject what is inferior (wrong).
Today in his Sunday's preaching (as waited expectantly by many who are also waiting for him to call out their sicknesses), Joseph Prince preaches a fantastic message on the meditation of God's law to prosper yourselves and possess things (of this world). Wow, that's very scriptural based on Mat 6:33-34, Psalms 1:1-2, Joshua 1:8, and Proverbs. However, please think if he thinks that *LAW KILLS* and those who bring back the law are 'angel of light', will he sincerely teach you to meditate on the law of God to do the law of God? ruclips.net/video/kpcsqucEUWU/видео.html No, I don't think so. He will teach you to meditate or confess the law more like the Pharisees or hypocrites who make use of the law to *PROSPER* themselves. Like what I have said, a preacher of *DOUBLE-TALK* (thinking that his 'talk' is an effective 'damage control' to minimize the 'damage' he has done to the Word of God) will only prove or expose himself as a greater hypocrite than the Pharisees or teachers of laws.
I stopped attending NCC. Was there in David Pawson’s teachings then. The people listening to JP’s erroneous teachings should be woken up. The ‘ Grace Revolution’ is heretical. Full stop.
@@tanjason2640 when there was a time on a Sunday and the church had big slogans “grace revolution” all round the premises. I was asking what REVOLUTION? We ought to be preaching and following JESUS and He alone be magnified. I started to feel something is wrong here. I was then serving. I kept asking is Tis teaching and Jp and pastors preaching nonsense or fairy tale? Surely surely a keen spirit following after our Lord, I left NCC. All praises to Him. I have escaped from the snare of the Fowler!
Another slogan is the 'Benjamin Generation'. Did Jesus or Paul or any of the apostles teach that? Did they ever mention those two words? Why Benjamin Generation? Because its an ever growing catch for him. The young are relatively Bible-ignorant and easy targets of his heretical teachings, and they will be rich sources of fertilisers for the building's bank accounts.
By the way Ps Benjamin has left NCC. He was a close friend of JP and his inner circle. Does it signify the passing of the Benjamin generation? Ps Benjamin was once the youth pastor and commanded a strong following among the youths. Some of the pastors were mentor by him under his youth ministry. What were the reasons for his leaving, does anyone know? Could he have disagree strongly with some of JP teachings.
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JP, his pastors and NCC congregation should give heed to Brother - Rev. George Ong's rebuke, correction, instructions he has been doing with patience, based on 2Tim 4:2-5. Or jp's teaching will lead many couples and younger generation to damnation. That church needs preachers like Paul washer, Voddie Baucham, Zac Poonen and of course Rev. George Ong.
Yes listening to the preachers you listed will open your eyes to the shallowness, falsity and heresy in jp's teachings. Its incredible that so many in NCC are still so blinded and gullible.
False prophesy, false healing, false teaching. We all should earnestly pray that God takes away this thorn within this generation. Nothing is impossible for the Lord. All glory to Him.
NCC also broke the rule of not officiating weddings if couples who have been living together before marriage. Glenn and Jamie did that and yet NCC made an exception for them.
@@sg1965sg shame on Tis leadership! Members or church goers who choose to be there are as equally responsible for their choice n decision. They are not exempted in their accountability before our Lord.
Recently, there is a news article by CBS News about a couple of members of Gateway Church in Texas, USA, launching a class action lawsuit against Gateway Church over the misuse of financial tithes which the church claims that they have placed aside 15% of tithes for global mission fields. According to the lawsuit, the church members are not satisfied with the church’s use of the tithes as a financial report revealed that less than 15% were used for global missions and the members want a refund of their money as the ex head pastor of Gateway Church, Robert Morris, did mention members can ask for their money back if they feel the church is misusing it.
Given that Robert Morris has been pushing his congregation to heavily tithe to Gateway Church, similar to JP, I wonder how much percentage of tithes has been placed aside for NCC’s mission trips to the ASEAN 3rd world countries and how much percentage has been misused for non-church related purposes. If a financial audit were to discover about the misuse of funds in NCC, NCC could have a greater scandal than CHC.
By all standards, NCC with over $100 million in annual income, is very rich and influential with a small percentage spent on missions and charities. What happen to the rest of the money?
And for JP ministry to spent huge sums broadcasting his sermons by buying airtime over many countries at primetime slots likely. That could explain his huge following online. Where does that money come from?
Good question. Collecting tithes for selfish purpose can be like a pyramid scheme that will keep getting members (and money) without accountability to anyone. For example (just an assumption, ok?), let's say a person "Mr. P" has convinced all his family members, relatives, and friends to keep investing 10% of their income into his fantastic 'bitcoin' project that can make money and promise high returns, but nobody bothers what and how he is going to do it. So, after convincing them that his scheme is a win-win or 'huat-huat' scenario where those invested more and earlier at top will always benefit more, more and more 'tithing' investors are recruited everyday. Do you know that Mr. P didn't need to come up with a single cent and yet he could generate some amount of returns for everybody at the top (without even investing in anything) by using the money from the new members to pay those at the top? And as more and more people invested, he could make it appear to be more and more convincing too. So, like any pyramid schemes, he could ensure that those at the top who invested more and earlier would always get more as promised.
So, first month, he started with 2 members who gave 1/10 each. But if subsequently each one of them could get another 2 members to join them, it will work like as shown below, until in the end, he might have 30,000 people:
--------------------------------------------------
Mr. P
v
1/10 1/10
v v
1/10 1/10 1/10 1/10
v v v v
... (30,000 have given 1/10) ...
--------------------------------------------------
So, can you see how much money he can collect if he has 30,000 people who believe in such a scheme. I know that your imagination is running wild now, but please do not try it and think that it can be done easily. Normally, people, institution, or community who can do it must be bound by law to account for it in the way it is collected, used, or put into investments. However, when there is no accountability and the people think that "Mr. P" has no need to give accountability to anyone, do you know what will happen? The money could be so much that you can buy a rocket to send to the moon. Common sense tells you that, if you do not want to pay tax, just spend everything on luxurious items, go for exclusive holidays, fly in business class, employ Holywood image consultants, give generous honorariums to DJs who can entertain in the company D&Ds, seminars, or functions, .. etc .. And if these still cannot spend everything, buy a mall or casino. Well, these are just my wild imagination if I were the MD of such a 'cash rich' company. But what if I were the pastor of a church?
Frankly speaking, I don’t trust the way NCC handles the tithes when I found out the Star performing arts allowed a drag show to be performed in 2023, months after the repeal of 377A. The same stage used for praise and worship on Sunday used for a drag show. I can’t believe that a place of worship was rented out for something that is satanic.
Also, I noticed that neither JP nor any leader in NCC did put a strong emphasis on sticking to the biblical scriptures views against homosexuality and the LGBT after the repel was made. Compared to NCC, many Anglican, Methodist, and other traditional churches in Singapore have reassured their congregations about their standing against the sins of the LGBT as stated in the scriptures. Where’s the fear of the lord in NCC? I’ve heard there are some members of NCC who are hidden closeted LGBT.
If I were the pastor of such a church, I will keep preaching the health and wealth gospel and that I am a type of king David who will encourage all those who are qualified to be my *'3D ARMY'* (quoted from 1Sa 22:2), and that I will dress like a king, speak like a king, and prophesy like a king and .. etc, to show that (under the sound of my voice) I have the anointing to heal and save more people every Sunday (when I call out their sicknesses).
@jamesteo9165 you are correct. What NCC gives away to charities and other organisations is nothing compared to the amounts they save or invest in.
Who are the ones who benefit or have access to the extra funds that they save or invest? Not forgetting Grace Revolution Church as well as Joseph Prince Int'l Ministry
Amen. Indeed Joseph Prince has been considered as the 'prince of grace' by many sinners and believers. Why? It's because he is a 'prince' who gives you many '2nd chance', including marriages. So, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know why there are still many people flocking to NCC even though they know that he is a false prophet of grace.
@@WordsofGodThe a church of convenience and in agreement to decadence lifestyle.
Pls do not judge. Only God is the righteous judge.
Actually, Joseph Prince fully knows the power of 'grace' or '2nd chance', or else he would not preach grace so radically that it becomes a 'hyper grace' that goes against the law of God and repentance (both of which are the fundamental doctrine of Christ). So, he doesn't really care if people label him as the 'prince of grace' or 'false prophet of grace'. He knows that as long as he preaches 'grace' or '2nd chance', he will get *'99.9%'* of those who are divorced, abused in their childhood, plagued by mental issues of condemnation, addicted to some kind of sexual sins, and etc. I am not against those who are victimized by sins or evil men, neither do I have discrimination against them; however, I will ask them, If you were in one of those category of sins, won't you think that there will be *'99.9%'* likelihood that you will go to NCC.
That's why Joseph Prince boasted a number of times and proudly preached about his *'3D ARMY'* who will 'fight for righteousness' in the name of 'grace' revolution. Actually, he knew for sure that his *'3D ARMY'* would 'do anything' to justify him or defend him like they defended king David in the Bible. Yes, king David did have the so-called *'3D ARMY'* of the distressed, in debt, and discontented:
1Sa 22:2 KJV And every one that was in distress, and every one that was in debt, and every one that was discontented, gathered themselves unto him; and he became a captain over them: and there were with him about four hundred men.
I will tell them, Today, there is no more king David. If you think that you are still one of those *'3D ARMY'*, please continue to fight the true battle of righteousness by living out the righteousness of God in a true church. Don't just have the false hope of fighting for a 'false prince', 'false David', or 'false Joseph' who will do nothing for you when you are supposed to give an account of yourselves to the Lord. If you really search your heart now, you would realize that you are not fighting for the 'prince' in NCC, you are fighting only for your old 'self' - which is 'self-justification', 'self-glorification', and 'self-delusion'. If you are honest enough to ask yourselves this question: "Is Joseph Prince preaching the true Jesus who can judge and save?" You will know the answer yourselves, and you will know that IT IS TIME to leave him, leave your very old 'self', and move on to find the true peace of life in the Word of God.
@@michellechuah37
So those people or their families who were harmed by JP teachings, esp the HC, should not judge and should not have written their testimonies? They should just keep quiet and not expose the danger of JP teachings and warn others ? What do you think?
@@michellechuah37
📖1 Corinthians 5:12 AMP
[12] For what business is it of mine to judge outsiders (non-believers)?
Do you not judge those who are within the church [to protect the church as the situation requires]?
J. Thayer comments that "the proper meaning of "judge" 2919 (krínō) is to pick out (choose) by separating" (as also used in Homer, Herodotus, Aeschyl., Xenophon, Plato).
2919 /krínō ("distinguish, judge") typically refers to making a determination of right or wrong (innocence or guilt), especially on an official (legal) standard.
We only judge (2919 /krínō) accurately by intelligent comparison and contrast based on God's word, i.e. to approve (prefer) what is correct and reject what is inferior (wrong).
This only show the kind of prophecy he is giving is fake cos he has no Revelation or no anointing from the Lord
Today in his Sunday's preaching (as waited expectantly by many who are also waiting for him to call out their sicknesses), Joseph Prince preaches a fantastic message on the meditation of God's law to prosper yourselves and possess things (of this world). Wow, that's very scriptural based on Mat 6:33-34, Psalms 1:1-2, Joshua 1:8, and Proverbs. However, please think if he thinks that *LAW KILLS* and those who bring back the law are 'angel of light', will he sincerely teach you to meditate on the law of God to do the law of God? ruclips.net/video/kpcsqucEUWU/видео.html
No, I don't think so. He will teach you to meditate or confess the law more like the Pharisees or hypocrites who make use of the law to *PROSPER* themselves. Like what I have said, a preacher of *DOUBLE-TALK* (thinking that his 'talk' is an effective 'damage control' to minimize the 'damage' he has done to the Word of God) will only prove or expose himself as a greater hypocrite than the Pharisees or teachers of laws.
Thanks for sharing this about adultery and marriage according to God's standard definition.
I stopped attending NCC. Was there in David Pawson’s teachings then. The people listening to JP’s erroneous teachings should be woken up. The ‘ Grace Revolution’ is heretical. Full stop.
@@tanjason2640 when there was a time on a Sunday and the church had big slogans “grace revolution” all round the premises. I was asking what REVOLUTION? We ought to be preaching and following JESUS and He alone be magnified. I started to feel something is wrong here. I was then serving. I kept asking is Tis teaching and Jp and pastors preaching nonsense or fairy tale? Surely surely a keen spirit following after our Lord, I left NCC. All praises to Him. I have escaped from the snare of the Fowler!
Another slogan is the 'Benjamin Generation'. Did Jesus or Paul or any of the apostles teach that? Did they ever mention those two words? Why Benjamin Generation? Because its an ever growing catch for him. The young are relatively Bible-ignorant and easy targets of his heretical teachings, and they will be rich sources of fertilisers for the building's bank accounts.
By the way Ps Benjamin has left NCC. He was a close friend of JP and his inner circle. Does it signify the passing of the Benjamin generation? Ps Benjamin was once the youth pastor and commanded a strong following among the youths. Some of the pastors were mentor by him under his youth ministry. What were the reasons for his leaving, does anyone know? Could he have disagree strongly with some of JP teachings.
@jamesteo9165 Pastor Benjamin is currently in a leadership position in Kingdomcity church. Not sure if this church is affiliate to NCC.
Rem there is a Pastor Joe Purcell Jr last time, Joscelin Yeo's husband. He also stepped down.