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Thanks for the kind words. Will work even better with an integrated mast, I'm going down that route myself when I can.. DW and prone - A question I ask myself - what would be the advantage of having the drive on a DW board over a small prone board for DW? I guess only if you wanted to paddle home in emergency? Otherwise you only need a prone board, no? mike@ktwo.surf if you are interested in a board - next production window we have is august.

Tried to reply but don’t think it went through. I would like to order one of these board How much is the cost delivered to Huntington Beach CA? Is it only one side available? If so fine. What size you recommend?

@@WesternStatesMetalRoofing Think the mail is here - should have a reply in your inbox?

Thanks for the kind words, best wishes for the season ahead!

The inserts are bonded in, so they don't come loose, but the threaded bar that I use is removable from the insert and if you don't put it in tight it does unscrew every time - thread lock sorts that. The core of all my boards is eps, so it's sealed with a 3mm layer of pvc and then glassed over, then sealed again. Reception perfect and totally sealed -

Warm up the router my friend. I dont have an issue with the battery - when you gun it the drive is in the water and cooled by the water - as soon as you are up and the case is in the air - you are pottering on 60%. The battery is a bit warmer than charging but not by much... No reliability issues in 50-60 batteries cycles yet... I chopped into a 25lt (4'x17") phazer just before this weekend to see if I could get it up - rocker not ideal and the board is tiny. It worked. Smaller boards are pretty immense to ride. I found a new rocker on one of our development boards that is a massive step forward, so that will help us bring the size down further. With regards to boards - this foil assist genre is completely different to normal board needs and wants. Closer to high level prone than wing I'd say.

@@ktwo-surf love it..thanks for input. let the routing begin!

ps - any thoughts on creation of blunt nose cone?

@@rnetsch you could fill in the voids with foam and attach with velcro, we tried, but it's a faff. ultimately thinner battery, thinner box, better handling - we are working on a custom setup that has the components built into the board. Hopefully weight will drop, battery energy density is better with cutting edge cells, I would like to get the board as thin as a single row of molicell, but it's a packaging headache :-/

@@ktwo-surf curious on your AK Phaser...I happen to have the 65ltr 5-2 (for wing) and have been using it for FD. It's good! Thinking the 47ltr 5-0 would be better tho, esp with less width. Any chance you've ridden that one?

well aware... and that is another side project ;-)

Time is the fire in which we burn, which is why I think I'll only do one set of these so I can get back out on the water!!! 🤣

Thanks James, it's good fun cracking all this stuff open. Lee and I are also working on a side project that you probably heard about - more along the lines of what you have done. It's going to be fun seeing how that turns out!

Hi Rich - send me a mail; mike@ktwo.surf the inserts in the inset are bonded in one position - so you have to keep it in one place - after all the inset doesn't want to be so big you have inch long gaps in either end.. inserts are placed according to your mast heads - most are 165x90, some smaller, some larger, but all 90mm apart.

Sweet. Cape town will be an awesome spot for this - so many spots. Should keep the toothie creatures away too ;-) Clinton and I have already been chatting.. 🙂

Received my Foil Drive and took it for my first flat water session today. It works perfectly! I used it with Clintons AK Nomad 55L 5’8” and AK Tracer 1300. 78cm ak taper lock mast, 20cm cable. I cant wait to take it into the ocean! Ive ordered my own 55L Nomad and some Plasma foils and plan to recess the battery as you have done. 👍

@@haldanemartin3642 good on you. Warm up the router 🙂 I just routed a box in a 25lt phazer to see if it would work and it's crazy when up.

Very true on the definitions, but it's air on the prop either way and stopping as much as you can makes it quieter and more efficient. It's not a massive difference, but it all helps, and I hate the noise it makes.. like a nice quiet ride :-)

Very cool. I’m thinking of printing up a new motor mount now that has the plate built in and covers the wire custom to my preferred mast.

True. All masts use a 90mm spacing between the tracks, but different brands use different distances between the front and rear. Lift for example is 165x90, AK 160x90, and axis I think is also 165x90. One of these boards in the vid was made for Lift and so we set the inserts at 165x90. Putting tracks in just addto the thickness of the things, which defeats the object of making them thin.. If you ordered one - you'd have a fair bit to specify - foil spacing - weight vs finish, preferred graphics, pads, strap inserts etc...

@@ktwo-surf Amazing answer. Let me save up a little more money after purchasing the gen2 a couple days back. GREAT product!!

For everyone else's benefit, Martin here is one of the friends who bribed me to make him one after our surf trip to Ireland. That's my foot on the hull of his brand new board 😆

mike@ktwo.surf

Anti-cavitation plate - (all outboards have them), set into a fairing to aid the water flow around the cable. Quietens the prop and stops those cavitation surges you get when the prop gets too close to the surface.. Makes a difference, not a massive one, but a difference...

@@ktwo-surfdude, you rock!

Hmm, The 90 Nomad was a fun board but at 80kg, I found the 115 better suited this shape. The additional power needed to get the 90 going meant you were in phazer territory and I like the thinner feel of the phazer for handling. So - if nomad it would have to be light and I;d be on the 115. I guess what I am saying is tghat I have 2 boards as the ultimate quiver. but - if you are only going to have one board, then I would go phazer, as personally my heart is in surfing and the phazer gives more agility on the wave. I;d sacrifice lightwind ability for that gain. This is a very personal reason though. 95kg - you'd want the 90 or 78 for stronger winds, perfect quiver for you would be 115 nomad and 78lt Phazer V4

there are rules popping up all over the place all the time. I'm lucky where I live - no stress at all. Tow boogie amuses me.. how do you classify that? It's like a sea drone, unmanned, powered craft trailing a long line! haha

bespoke build - 4'8x21"x2", 3kg, though has to go back in and remove some carbon as no reception! lol

@@ktwo-surf Front foot strap as well, I often wonder why people don't use these more.

@@brianwoodburn2050 I rode strapless last session and it’s very free, but when things get spicy the strap allows you to make mistakes and recover. It also lets you crank wide high at foils over from rail to rail faster… I do admire the elite riders when you see them charging strapless though 🙏👍⚡️

short mast is good because you are adding 5cm in the box, board - rocker is the key - a 35lt flat rocker board goes before a 65lt high rocker board... volume is not really relevant, as the drive and the foil do the lifting so the volume is for when you use neither.. 20cm motor is a good start. I use an inset board now so it's 15cm, but all usable, so get a 20 and then source an inset board later. Bigger foil to start - with reasonable span and efficiency - makes things steadier and then downsize as you get bolder! good luck!!

@@ktwo-surf Cheers Micheal, just to clarify would you recommend a high rocker first over a flatter rocker? . If you can? From a perspective of a complete novice would you state getting up on foil is sufficiently easy to learn within a relatively short period? I don't mind the struggle as I believe that's sometimes more rewarding. A friend is pushing a full Electric system but I don't feel that's for me. FYI I'm based in Blyth South Beach which looks perfect for foiling..thanks again, Andy. 👍

@@AndrewCorner-qn9lk low rocker only - like old ak phazer... full electric wont ride waves unaided - you have to keep throttle on them or they stop like a stone, and they are heavy so you cant surf properly (carve rail to rail). We are having so much fun, and we live on one of the best coasts in the UK for it...

@@ktwo-surf Cheers Mike, appreciate your advice and help..hope to see you on the waves in the future 👌

There were three of us out yesterday on the best day so far, and though we still remember the pain of handing over the cash it has faded, and we do it all over again in a heartbeat.... It may cost, but get in early and you wont regret it...

Thanks for the kind words... Honestly - you'll be buying twice, so you might as well just get a gen 2. I know they are expensive, but right now it's the only option. I paid £6000 for mine including two batteries and a fast charger, thats like $8000. Hideous I know, but I'm fresh in from two mind altering days in the waves. It's just incredible for it round here and money is a thing, but these experiences are way more important in my eyes.

Totally well said. Yesterday we had our best day ever, 3 of us on drives on an isolated spot. Mind altering. Ridden over 120km in the last 2 days and well over half that was unassisted. This thing is just next level.

I use 4'8x21x2" in this vid, new ones are 2" longer but all in the tail behind the drive as it helps counteract nose lift when starting. it's a game changer for sure!

Thanks for the kind words 🙂

Thanks for the kind words. that one was 4'8"x21x2" inset drive with a 10mm deck of pvc, through which I used 4x stainless blind T nuts that sat in the PVC. I used carbon tube bracing from the inset deck recess to the base of the hull at a 45 degree angle to stop twist. A shim of 3mm pvc was used to squeeze out the water between board and drive to aid signal - next one is 5' as I need some extra length behind the drive for a faster flatwater pickup, and majority glass construction as carbon is a signal killer :-/

@@ktwo-surf that’s excellent cheers. I am looking to have built 5’3 x 18 x2 and follow your insert design. I have a 5’3 x 19 with tracks forward. Have worked out my ideal placement. Now time to start the new board. My weight is 88kg and live the Armstrong ha 880 and 1080 foils. I look forward to your next vid.

I will, I will... Thing is, my life is not rich when it comes to time. If I want to do some exercise - it's an hours' hit class, not a full day at the beach. I can do 60 waves in an hour easy, including ALL the best waves, and you just cannot do that prone... Made me laugh - one comment was "all gain and no pain" - not wrong. Also - you'd better get some anti twitch medication as everywhere I look, everyone calls riding a foil assist prone. Not me, I've now towed the line, but everywhere I look they are coming for your sport, wanting to overwrite it's definition with something inferior 🤣 One thing is for sure - My paddle is not coming out - upping the board size to use a paddle, I just don't see the point when I can do this... I could consider riding a low volume prone board if I can get up reasonably easy, pumping ability is doable on my 880 foil and paddling is not through a line break. When I get time to try I will report back :-) You'll have to suffer the dingle video next week through gritted teeth as it was 90% foil assist 🤐

cheaper, which is a start, but would have to try one to be sure.

Ha ha, love it, and not wrong!

Hi Sir, Thanks for the kind words. Hmm, if you don't have waves then I would probably take up winging first. Foiling with nothing in your hands is harder to learn. This is a great way to get into waves that you would not be able to catch, but I'm not certain it would be the easiest entry into the world of hydrofoil. I could be wrong though! getting it up onto foil is it's trick - these days with modern high aspect gliding foils you can ride just about anything - but, waves are the best with smaller front wings..

@@ktwo-surf Thanks for the reply. Paradoxically using a wing puts me off as in a sense its a permanent assist whereas foil drive is there only to get me out and enable me to downwind or ride on small bump waves unassisted. Do you have any recommendations for wing and board? I am thinking 1400cm2 high aspect wing with a 40l 4.5-5 ft board?

@@DigitalPosion I'm not sure to be honest - when you are up you want the kit you will want to be using for the discipline, at whatever standard and conditions you have - but clearly the board is now different as you want the best handling board with the most control you can get away with.. I started on 65lt, then found a small board (15 lt) 4'8x21x2" with a flat rockert and inset drive pod that gets up as easy as the 65lt, but is like nothing on your feet - that's all I use now.. you have a lot of trial and testing ahead, but that's part of the fun - learning - advancing and getting better, and the drive lets you do this so well, it's addictive!

@@ktwo-surf cheers I better look up some used gear or this will get silly

Do you mean Slingshot as in the kite brand?

Thanks for the kind words!

Yeah, it's a lot of coin. My bill with extra battery was £6000 - $7500. It's a lot. I kind of forgot the pain of writing the cheque now, just left with the riding. A bit like childbirth (I have been assured), lol.

same price as buying a 3, 4 and 5 liter alula wings that last 1 year.

look up foildrive paul cooper.