Is this why veganism could be doomed to fail?
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Today's video is discussing one of the most important issues related to animal farming - agricultural subsidies. Yet, even though subsidies are so important, most people have no idea of the influence they have. So when and why did these subsidies start? What impact have they had? And is there any hope for a shift towards a plant-based system while governments and agribusinesses continue to support our current subsidy protocols?
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Do you think this is an absolute scandal and importantly, why isn’t this a bigger conversation?
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Well i guess even for Politicians that would like to change this, the blowback by the media and public and especially the more conservative part public will be career killing. Here in Germany Right Wing Politicians are already talking about how the Green Party wants to take away your schnitzel. It's a political hornet nest. People love their schnitzels and even though a ban on schnitzel was never a proposition, it gets gobbled up by this part of the voting population. I think the best way to go would be to gradually change how the subsidies work to make farmers move to vegetables and ingredients for vegan alternatives for meat and dairy. Death by thousands cuts
Thank you Ed
Great video as always Ed , i always look forward to seeing them , keep up the good work bro.
Animal subsidies must GO AWAY NOW (just like new fossil fuel extractions)!
so many lies, so much bullshit. i dont believe that you believe that meat is inferior to plants as a food source. you may choose to eat plants out of misplaced empathy and worship of false gods but there is no way you think its better for you.
If plants were subsidized as animal products are, you would be getting like a kilo (or two pounds) of potatoes for 10 cents, a kilo of tomatoes for 20 cents, a kilo of blueberries for 30 cents, and etc. That system would be much better.
Im up for that future
Let's make it happen! I'm down :)
No, it wouldn't. It would bring more factory farming, chemical use and soil degradation. Just exactly the same you see with subsidized animal husbandry. The way to go is to stop subsidies completely and encourage proper farming methods. Sure, the cost of food would go up, but so would the quality.
That said, none of that is ever going to happen because selling crap in packages is a trillion dollar business and the consumer wants cheap food so there's enough money for all the useless stuff people love to spend money on.
@@uweschroeder I totally agree. Never-ending subsidies result in inefficiency. Subsidies only make sense as a short term solution during a period of change. Any industry receiving subsidy must plan how to be viable in the free market. Then consumers really have the power to affect the supply chains. The status quo is pathetic, because even though I don't buy milk, the government is taxing me to pay for that milk (which I am morally opposed to) so that the dairy industry is protected from my boycott/protest by the government.
I also think it is easy to convey to non-vegans the injustice of such a subsidy system -- if someone wants to buy beef, then it is unreasonable for him to force a vegan to pay for this meat. Thus, I think it is possible for both vegans and non-vegans to oppose subsidies, which is necessary in a democracy.
All farmland in the uk gets the same amount of subsidy per hectare.
No matter if that parcel of land is used for grazing livestock growing cereals, growing fruit or vegetables. It makes no difference.
As a vegan, I pay for meat production against my will and believes. The system is broken and needs to be changed.
Maybe there's a way to work out what proportion of one's tax is going to these subsidies, give the money to animal welfare charities/green campaigners/vegan campaigners instead, then write it off against tax.
thats actually a good idea! @@JohnMoseley
Ya that's why I stopped paying taxes. That and I'm not supporting military campaigns. And I'm just not paying taxes cause fuck that, I'm not a slave
"The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample size, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with and obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness." Dr. Richard Horton, Editor-in-chief, The LANCET
Occam's Razor: the simplest answer is likely to be the correct answer.
Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
Wortman's Razor: never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by corruption
@@junglejarred6366fk yea. Delusional Americans think they're free. But they don't even get to decide what their tax. Money goes to. Even if they woke up from their delusions and eternal sleep and stupidity. And tried to demand their "leaders" to use taxes how the people want, all that'd happen is the media talking chit about them, forcing the insecure people to be afraid of "not fitting in", and this alone will make 50% of the population stop the demand, and the rest will just get gunned down by some US military. There is no freedom. They know the people if they could determine where taxes go. The military spending would be cut by like 100 times, and other things that benefit the people would all go up. They can't control happy people, only people who are insecure or have no options and struggle to get by. Crime would end also if we can allocate taxes to help the 99%, but unfortunately the 1% get 99% of the money despite the fact they have enough for lifetimes
As a lazy (see: clinically depressed) home cook, it's much harder to overcook tofu or beans than meat. Also, it's significantly less of a biohazard than raw chicken if you're feeling too drained to deep clean every single surface you touched after handling it. Side bonus of vegan food I don't see enough people talking about: no bone shard or rubbery gristle.
And no greasy pots, stove tops and counters
Or the layer of scuzz/grease that you have to scrape off the surface of your leftovers before warming them up. 🤢 I don’t miss that.
Lazy vegan here too
Corporate Vegan: _Tell me how I can support BIG OIL and the worst parts of capitalism without directly doing so_
Logical Consumer: *Become vegan, Base your diet on mono-cultured crops, eat highly processed "fake meat", Totally ignore the displacement of animals & the the BILLIONS of death of Birds and rodents (mice, rabbits, squirrels, etc) by pesticide induced suffocation. Ignore the energy required for these industries to work. From the minerals gathered to make the packaging to the production, processing, transportation, more processing, more transportation of vegan goods.*
Best way to support the earth and your neighbors... by local & cook at home.
THIS! I don't have to worry about cross contamination or salmonella. It's pretty awesome.
Tofu and lentils (my main staples ) are much much cheaper. Even if we go by calorie or protein or quantity 🤷
Soaked/home-cooked lentils bought in bulk are not only the cheapest but the TASTIEST. People have no idea what they're missing when they buy canned legumes sitting in nasty liquid & aluminum.
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Love lentils, they're so good, even on their own.
@@harveyplantharvester1502 yes. I've been buying them for years. Not just because they are cheap, they are so versatile and amazing. Always have cooked lentils in my fridge to toss into salads, soups or to make a stew.
I'd love to see Ed go into politics. Everything he says makes so much sense. Ed for Prime Minister! 👍
Politics is a waste of time without proportional representation. He's better off outside of that.
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Politicians are not suppose to make sense so unfortunately Ed would not make a good politician.
that is what i was thinking when I finished to see the video. We need Ed
Vegan Party would get my vote.
You really don't need stuff like mock meat to be vegan. You have the basics- lentils, vegetables and spices. There are so many recipies with just these
Exactly! Beans, tofu, tempeh and seitan. You don't have to rely on fancy expensive vegan burgers.
Exactly! I spend very little on food despite being vegan, just spending on these plant foods.
It’s still worth creating demand for vegan meat products. For many people it might be difficult to simply give up meat, so it helps to have an alternative. Also, if more demand is created, more likely will there be new players in the market and that will create competition which will bring prices down.
I agree, as I eat tater tots and faux nuggies like a complete glutton
Arguments against this fact that I heard: I have IBS and this made it worse, This is just boring and doesn't taste good, I don't have time to be soaking beans or learning how to cook a lentil, whatever that is... Trying to address each one, I was overwhelmed with "reason" after reason why each of my points don't work or apply to their situation.
Eating animal products also causes pandemics, antibiotic resistance, foodbourne disease/illness aka food poisoning.. the list goes on.
Nope it does not
We humans have eaten meat
Since the beginning of time
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Chef here, all those points apply to intense battery farming, that have animals living in extreme close quarters with an over reliance on antibiotics, food bourne disease/illness applies to vegetables too, improperly cleaned and prepared food can cause food poisoning regardless whether it's meat or not, such as improperly cooked or stored rice.
The vast majority of people would prefer high quality, healthy, ethically sourced meat, so maybe you vegans should push for more ethical farming practices and not outright bans
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 We aren't welfarists, we're vegans who live by the vegan philosophy of reducing harm as much as possible. Explain to me how to ethically kill someone. Please let me know because as far as I know, the animal has to be killed, there's no other way around it. Taking a life from someone who doesn't want to die is always cruel and inhumane. Your "healthy" meat products contribute to heart disease the most. Stop making excuses and just let go of meat already. You cling to meat like it's a drug.
@@Dave-if5qj Of course, but industry farming is a very, very recent development, and responsible for the problems described by @The40yearoldVegan
Love this ed, you are saving the earth!
ABSOLUTELLY YES
Absolutely no
@@Dave-if5qj give a reason why
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@@nuqithey never can
Thankfully going WFPB+Vegan actually made my groceries cheaper than they've ever been. Sticking to natural whole foods avoids the overpriced processed Vegan alternatives.
It is unrealistic though to expect that a WFPB diet will become mainstream.
The vegan processed stuff is a once-in-a-while treat for many plant based eaters. And everybody knows it's highly processed and therefore not healthy.
I buy when these products are close to expiring date and have a 30%/50% or 70% off sticker.
Had a very decent Gordon Bleu last week with creamy melted cheese and the taste was very close to these from french fries shops who use factory products. But it hit the nostalgia spot and that's something very nice.
But now it's pumpkin and mushroom and soup season so I get my basic ingredients pretty cheap and the meals I cook are very healthy.
Till the next meat alternative comes along.
@@robsengahay5614 The key to making WFPB and minimally processed foods appealing on a wide scale is to take advantage of ethnic cuisines that have used delicious ingredients like miso, kimchi, gochujang, etc. Whole foods like mushrooms also have the savory umami flavor that most people get from eating meat and cheese. Nutritional yeast and pasta sauce are other great, inexpensive sources of umami. Spices from Indian cuisine and others help too.
I don't expect it to become mainstream, but it is much easier than people say it is. @@robsengahay5614
I can't really afford most of them nowadays. Of course WFPB is healthier, but the main appeal to me was saving money.@@CordeliaWagner
Even with the *massive* and destructive animal agriculture subsidies, plant based diets *STILL* cost 33-40% less than those that contain meat and dairy. - Lancet Health and Veganuary
Yes. The ever credible Lancet
@@HiddenHandMedia The Oxford study (published in Lancet Health) used food prices from the World Bank’s International Comparison Program. ✌️
You can also speak to my cousins about the massive and destructive plant agriculture subsidies for their orchard and vegetable farms. It's a racket all around.
However, if the free market ruled, food prices wouldn't be rising, they'd be horrendous.
only if you don't factor in nutritional content. 1 single liver will have more nutrition than your entire meal plan for a day
The place where plant food is truly cheaper is in calories alone. ie. carbs and fats
@@Mallchad And let's not forget the vitamin B12 problem.
In my case, I take a required megadose of vitamin B2 as well for a neurological issue--synthetic since 24,000% isn't common in any food--but it's another one that's much easier to get from meats.
The fish oil my doctor has me taking...well...and the CoQ10...um....
There's a whole list of nutrients, including aminos, that are exclusive to or more common in, meat products.
(Yes, there are plenty that are in plant products. Not the point as I eat a balanced diet).
It has been, I would argue, an even bigger disaster here in the US than in Britain. A damn shame.
Or globally, if already, if not, do not allow and any of it?
In most countries, including my country of origin (India), meat is by default more expensive than vegetarian food, because the subsidies are prioritized towards food grains and vegetables, which is the staple diet (even people who eat meat, eat more of rice and bread and veggies and meat is one of the smaller ingredients in the plate).
In India, while eating out you could easily compare that Meat based dishes were more expensive than vegetarian dishes. So, it was bizarre for me when I heard that in the west, vegetarian food is more expensive than non-vegetarian food.
Of course, that's another point that even in the west it actually is not more expensive, but is actually just a consumer perception.
Potatoes are dirt cheap, bread is not expensive either, and neither are vegetables, beans, rice, fruits, cereals, etc. You can go into the supermarket and see for yourself that the meat aisle is more expensive than the other ones. I live in the US now so I can speak from experience. And the better quality you want your meat to be, the more expensive it gets.
PS: India is literally the best country to be vegan or vegetarian in. You wouldn't even know you're not eating meat anymore, and you're not gonna miss it in the least bit. There's so much variety of vegan and vegetarian food you can't even imagine. All of it tasty AF!!!!! I think this is common knowledge at this point but I still want to stress it.
It's not very bizarre if you consider that growing seasons are longer if you live closer to the equator.
@@hybridwafer I think with the global economy being so closely interconnected, we have come far beyond micro economy model of growing and consuming local food. It's more about economic priorities.
Yet the US government will demand we take action on climate change. Everyone knows how bad Animal Agriculture is for not only animals but our environment. They are Rounding up wild horses to make way for more cattle. From what I’ve seen meat, eggs and dairy are expensive right now. Tofu is really cheap, most fresh fruits and vegetables are along with canned and frozen ones are too. It depends what you buy.
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People are good at green washing.
The US government should incentivize regenerative animal farming. Better for the animals and environment. People don’t have to stop eating meat to “save” the planet. Ruminant animals have always been here. They are NOT the problem.
@@residentjessok stop eating meat to save animals. Oh your a troll. Get a hobby
Stay away from canned fruit
Ed, as an academic with a world-class ranked university, I can only ‘ditto’ the other responses to this outstanding piece - a short, well researched ‘documentary’ by you and your talented team. Factual information such as this is ‘gold’ to our vegan social movement.
I am heading a Vegan Enthusiast Group through the Emeritus College of a leading Canadian university. This group is leaning on it Climate Change Group to address ‘factory farming’ in its position and action statements - to date they have not even considered, yet alone addressed it!! Shocking! But to follow Dr. Joy’s advice - no shaming - our goal is the same and we need to work together.
Ed we need you and George Monbiot here to raise awareness within the university community. I was delighted, Ed, to have received the Plant-based Universities Open Letter from your emails the other day, just before a major Emeritus College retreat. Arrived just at the right time as did the Nature article you cited in Part 3 on transforming subsidies.
Upward and onward,
Professor-Elizabeth
A message, for both you & Mel, from the 'invisible belief system':
’1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. 3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. ’ - Genesis 9:1-3 (KJV)
Hi Professor,
Thanks for what you are doing.
Not sure if you have heard of Dr. Faraz Harsini,if you havent i highly recommend that you get in touch with him.
There is a great interview with him on Debug Your Brain's channel.
Make Every College Vegan?! | An Interview w/ Dr. Faraz Harsini
ruclips.net/video/1Z0etwc3bP8/видео.html
He is the main person behind Allied Scholars for Animal Protection.
Humans are omnivores. This fact alone voids veganism.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034"Having multiple options voids the ethical position of choosing the options that cause the least amount of suffering."
- you (thinking you said something profound), 2023
There is nothing profound about biological fact. Can you dig it?@@blueberryoatmeal4009
Wow, Ed. This video was amazing. The future of plant-based food sounds amazing. It just needs the support it deserves.
Yep, what a shame Ed ignored the EU End the Slaughter Age initiative when it needed 1mil signatures and his outreach could have helped reach more people. I only came across it by accident when looking into if such things existed. Sent it to Eds team, they didn't care enough to give it one single shout out. It only got to 900k. It is a very lenghty, complicated legal process and I don't know when we get a chance to sign another one. big, big loss for the animals. breaks my heart. Joey Carbstrong ignored it too. big shame.
@@austejaz2624 They ignored it or they just didn't see your email on time? Ed and Joey are very busy men. As we can see from these presentation-based videos crammed with information and editing. Not to mention the hundreds of comments/ responses from the public.
You need more reach Ed.
450k subs is great but your passion and knowledge is undeniable. Humanity needs you on the world stage.
It’s so wrong that some people can’t afford healthy plant foods with good variety (let alone fresh produce) but can afford to eat animal products at every meal :// governments shouldn’t be choosing this for us, especially when it’s not in our best interest
I’m on a low income but I can still manage vegan with no issues. Thanks for the video it was very insightful and I appreciate the time it must take to research all this.
Same, I earn below national average and still eat a predominantly wholefood plant based diet. I love it!
I got a pretty decent paying job, I can afford to sample lots of different animals
are you gay.. wanna meet? ❤😻😻
@vkb6352 😂..job.. of course you do. Ma & Pa not charging you rent?
@thunderingox6963
Nah unlike vegans who are poor I own property
*2023..............Year of the Vegan Activist!* 🏆
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That would be 1976.....I think.
@@Woodworm20-iy7cq
1676
why 1676?
With the price of food as it is right now, we could use this immediately. So many more people are using food banks right now because of the cost of food.
Regardless of the financial gymnastics, paying an extra few bucks costs less than an animal's entire existence and the cost of a good person's conscience.
It’s hard when you live paycheck to paycheck. I usually just go for whole foods, fruits/veggies when I’m really tight on money. Vegan cheeses/meats are luxury items that I’ll only buy if they’re on sale & I can afford it.
why not going after shareholders, is never consumers fault as there smoothed by factory lies
No
@@Bla-fh8fq Thanks. I'll add you to my next "No" video I plan on doing 😆
@NoInjusticeLastsForever add all you want, make all the "videos" you feel needed
Not gonna change a damn thing
But as long as it makes you feel better
The land used for animal grassing could be used to grow citrus fruits,
built houses on or been returned to Nature. What a waist!
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You can grow citrus in the UK?
@@FuelXno you can't. The person probably speak of USA
Definitely a cardinal video to be referred to in the future. An "I told you so" to go down in history.
THIS. NEEDS. TO. GET. VIRAL. #masterpiece
😂😂😂😂😂 not really
"The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample size, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with and obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness." Dr. Richard Horton, Editor-in-chief, The LANCET
Occam's Razor: the simplest answer is likely to be the correct answer.
Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
Wortman's Razor: never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by corruption
So, which is it? I never thought you were stupid and the alternative...if the shoe fits 🤡
It absolutely is. He could not have worded this better
@@drewoliver2016
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"Gros-venor" is actually pronounced Groves-ner or Grove-nor. Otherwise this is spot-on. I have experience of the agricultural industry. The rich are paid public money simply for owning land, and possibly carrying out economically inefficient agricultural practices. Now that subsidies are being cut due to Brexit, poorer farmers are having to diversify into glamping, electricity generation, carbon offsetting, etc. Dairy and beef farming is being economised on zero-graze mega farms or replaced with lower-welfare, cheaper imports. The rich will remain rich, as they never actually needed the subsidy cash in the first place. Poorer farmers are leaving the industry. As tax payers, we're constantly lining the pockets of people who already enjoy vastly excessive wealth.
This video was amazing. I can see the piece on who the majority of subsidies are going to making just about anyone upset. I don’t think many people know how these subsidies are being dished out. They’re not going to the small local farmer down the road.
The work you are putting in and your contribution to making the world a better place for coming generations deserves to be remembered in history books.
The animal ag industry also gets subsidies for marketing. One year that I looked it up the dairy industry in the US had 50 million dollars in marketing subsidies.
Good stuff
Great video, well said Ed.🌱🌍🌅🍀
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What a great video! I'm excited to see the future of precision fermentation. I imagine we'll be able to create some cool food products with bacterial protein.
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Right on Ed! We need to elect more responsible politicians who will do the right thing.
100%, but electing the right politicians requires that the right people have power to educate the people. I worry about that a lot. We are currently seeing a surge of anti-progressive fascism swaying people all over the globe. Partly because they are funded by oil billionaires who invest in massive political propaganda campaigns that direct people to vote against their own interest to fight "woke" progressivism. It's just horrible.
I and others knew government and animal agriculture are in each others pockets decades ago, it is pleasing to see and hear the detail of some of it here.
It is not just a national scandal, it is a world wide scandal
scandal? scandal is a funny word. they did it so people didnt starve, don't you think that's an important cause?
@@Mallchad hilarious, 800 million still starve because of animal farming, 80 billion farm animals being fed human edible crops, 80% plus of all farmlands used to produce meat, dairy, and eggs.
Very informative video Ed. Now I understand why a kilogram of chicken is cheaper than a kilogram of tomato here in Australia. Keep up the good work. You have given me energy and hope in educating people about why they need to go Vegan..
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I found that out ordering a vegan dinner at pollo tropical,a half chicken dinner was cheaper than a vegan ground chicken meat dinner, pushing the meat,I left a review on this and quit ordering there
Meh way to many animals to go vegan, and we have plenty of kangaroo meat to eat
insane that tomatoes are expensive, insane
huh? tomatoes are a very poor comparison, they're a very temperamental fruit that doesnt keep well and consumers dont like it when its frozen. they also bruise easily
if you said why is pumpkin more expensive (its not) then we could have a conversation
have you grown tomatoes before our of curiosity?
10/10 Finally tackling the important issues. Keep up the good level of research!
I commented on a couple of frugal blogs which advocate for buying cheap animal products that though the consumer may be able to save money by buying cheap meat and eggs, there is always a high price to be paid elsewhere - by the animals, the farmers and the environment. The bloggers deleted my comments, which was not unexpected, but still disappointing. If people are going to buy and consume cheap animal products, I feel that they should do so knowing there are hidden costs. People cannot make informed decisions if they do not know the facts about the food they eat.
I admire Ed for being able to talk so calmly about animal agriculture. I feel so angry hearing about subsidies paid to farmers involved in animal agriculture. And the EU paying farmers for owning farmland, regardless of what they do with it, is absurd!! Keep up the good work Ed!
I have wondered on this, how come the farmers are not raising these subsidiary injustices inbetween themselves? Animal vs crop agriculture I mean.
The vast majority of crop farmers are not vegan, thus they do not want to make animal farms economically unviable. So while crop farmers lobby government for more subsidies, they would not want this to come at the expense of their animal farming brethren.
Yet, when there was the End the Slaughter Age initiative on EU parliament website, calling for cancellation of animal agriculture subsidies, and we needed 1mil signatures, Ed and other influencers ignored our cries to share it. If it did reach 1mil signatures in time, the parliament would have HAD to address it. What a shame we only got to 900k and some animal rights activists (like Ed and Joey) did nothing about it
Let's make another and keep at them until so?
Never give up. We’ll done. Professor-Elizabeth
But for the animals and health and land, do not like exploitation and the precarious use of animal cells, either?
They just care about making a living off of donations for a cause they don't even believe in
❤❤❤ YES! WE CAN, SHOULD AND WILL! Thank you Ed for expressing it so clearly.
Wonderful. Beautifully written and presented. This is my comfort food. A vision for a real sustainable and ethical future
Soulfood 🥘
'we could produce the entire world's protein supply on just 420km2'
Nice
Ed, please do more public debates. Your skills are outstanding and I love how you get your ideas across without being unnecessarily combative or aggressive.
Unfortunately, I think that Joey often does more harm than good by being so confrontational. His message oftentimes gets lost when people feel personally attacked and ridiculed.
Still wishing you could go on both the Joe Rogan and Jimmy Dore shows.
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👍 Whole food plant based for the environment and health; vegan for the victims!
Lol what?!?
Is that why dinner inner plates 🍽️ across the globe are dominated by deliiiiiiiiiiiiciouuuuuuuuus Pork chops and Chicken drumsticks 😂😂😂😂😂
Excellent video! I learned a lot!
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Every person in the UK (and the US) should watch this video. So informative. Thanks, Ed!
Thank you so much for continuously putting hard work into speaking up for a kinder, healthier society. 1 comment for the algorithm
Woe that algorithm 😂😂😂 you changed the world😂😂
Yay for the whole food plant based diet. It would be wonderful if we could have vegetable subsidies. I think that this system in even worse in the USA. To be fair, sometimes plant based processed foods cost more, but we can avoid this by buying locally grown and whole seasonal plant foods If at all possible. If we can get to a place where we depend more on legumes and less on meat analogs our health and budgets will be better for it, and we won't be propping up processed food mega corporations. Perhaps all of us should plant little environmental victory gardens in whatever space we have available -- be that a garden or an urban patio. The less we support these companies with our cash and refuse to craft our diets around highly processed foods, the more control we give to our local farmers, and the less we participate in their system. I'm not saying we can't ever have a beyond burger in our diet, but I think we'll all be better off if we don't lean so heavily on convenience foods, and all the waste that comes them.......
"The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample size, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with and obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness." Dr. Richard Horton, Editor-in-chief, The LANCET
Occam's Razor: the simplest answer is likely to be the correct answer.
Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
Wortman's Razor: never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by corruption
Well said Ed, I really wish people would take their heads out of the ground! ❤
Great stuff, Ed! Just one consideration: veganism/ecology without the conscience of class struggle is basically gardening. The real problem behind all this is capitalism, as longs as this is our mode of production, factory farming will never decrease. Vegans, we should be in the forefront of the fight for a worker's revolution ;)
yeah. foos production is very important and that is gardening. it's very difficult to scale to 8 billion though. Which was historically fertilised but livestock due to human waste issues
What a wonderfully succinct, informative and sensible description of the present situation Ed.
I thank God we have people like you who not only champion the cause but remain calm and dispassionate while laying out the indisputable facts of this greed-driven and totally unnecessary holocaust! (Yes, I used that word!)
Thank you Ed 💚
Thank you Ed for all the work you put into the research in your videos.
One of the best videos this channel has produced
Gosh I haven’t worn a vest since about aged 6
I've held off nearly a week on watching this because I sort of have a basic knowledge of this topic and the more I get depressed about it. Incredibly well put together video though
It’s wonderful to see such a well researched and thoughtful piece from you Ed. You’ve talked about this stuff before but it’s wonderful that you’re back with this damning report.
Go vegan for the animals and achieve so much more.
Hi Ed! I had tried being a vegetarian for many years now, but i ocationally had eggs or fish. Yesterday night, a fish my family adopted "Franky" passed away, we tried to save him but he was very ill, i promised him i would never again go against my own values and the love i have for him and his siblings, just wanted to share that the kindness you spread does awake our true human nature, my family and I would never go back, for us, of the animals, for the planet.
You are so kind
This man just doesn't miss. Great work as usual, Ed.
Rice and beans is always a cheap option and a much better for health and of course no animal has to suffer. We don’t need to eat mock meats and spend a fortune buying them. Just eat whole plant foods and be vegan for the animals. ❤
Rice and beans csn get boring in its own luckily we have so many varieties of animals to choose from
I love it! After watching this video I would like to invest all my energy and power into changing the broken system with some intense activism! Thank you for making such a complex topic accessible and understandable for everyone. There should be much more awareness and it should be the main topic in our conversations
Your videos are amazing. You have a way of explaining things that's truly eye-opening. I've been a very picky eater my whole life. I'm dealing with a situation and thought I'd share. I'm autistic, and trying new foods gives me a lot of anxiety. I've tried vegan and veggie options like a vegan burger and Quorn Mince, but the taste and texture didn't work for me. It made me feel nauseous. It's made me hesitant about trying more. I come from a meat-heavy diet, and that familiarity is hard to let go of. I just don't know if I'm strong enough, given these difficulties of mine. Like many people, the love for the taste of animal products and what I've been raised on makes it even harder to consider giving it up. If you or anyone else has advice on overcoming this fear of new food and textures, especially considering my autism and background, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Rishi Sunk just scrapped the meat tax proposal.
Rishi sunak is, by culture, the most British and least Indian Hindu. He's a disgrace.
Thank you Ed, wonderful video! It raised two questions in me: What can the individual person do to stimulate the government (in this case the UK government) to abolish its unethical and illogical subsidy schemes? And; Are you familiar with methods of producing alternate proteins (like precision fermentation) and could you give us an overview, discussing their pros and cons?
Thank you so much! It's the same in Germany. Well, I want to go out now and find an organisation which fights for this changes.
I've always suspected this thing of vegan food being more expensive "is a matter of economy of scale" pure BS
This is gold! Thank you, Ed!
The problem is that IF the government ever decides to shift the subsidies [paid by the taxpayers] away from meat & dairy, and stops bailing them out, there's a real good chance they'll only subsidize the GMO crops (as an incentive to farmers, who are already under threat to use terminator seeds and Monsanto pesticides etc.)
NOTE: I will now watch the rest of the video, but Ed probably won't be bringing up this point about GMOs being subsidized instead of non-GMOs.
GMO crops are banned here in the UK and I do hope it remains that way at the change over
What a fantastic video. Loved all the solutions proposed in the end
I hate that our dietary guidelines worldwide keep telling us to eat more fruits and vegetables, yet the people in power make them stupidly expensive in comparison to meat and processed foods. Why can I get a pack of pop tarts or hotdogs of less than what a cauliflower head cost ($4.60 here)? There's something awfully wrong with those prices
because you're comparing preserved good to fresh goods. the latter will be thrown away when you don't buy it and has to be factored into the cost. frozen cauliflower or canned would be much cheaper
Thank you, Ed, for this amazing video. I hope it will be seen by as many people as possible, especially by those who can really make the big change.
Fantastic video! Keep up the good work, you absolutely nailed it. WFPB vegan here
Thank you Ed for everything you do ❤
Ed, your description of the history and current problems in government subsidies worldwide was clear and understandable. The hopeful future possibilities plantwise were good to hear. Compensating farmers well for dropping animal agriculture and using their land in other ways is solution-focussed, which is now the more important action to take. In fact a range of planet damaging industries might be incentivised in this way. No one person wants to experience loss, so we have to keep that in mind as we try to change these unhealthy financial traps that they've got themselves into. Another great point, and it's for the animals. Well done.
Louder for those in the back 👏👏👏
Here in the US, Agriculture Fairness Alliance is doing INCREDIBLE work to stop subsidizing animal ag. They pay lobbyists to have a vegan voice in the government and can only do it with supporters' help!
What a waste of time. Most people who are vegans will quit veganism. Veganism should never be taken seriously as it promotes a nutrient deficient diet.
Ever heard of Monsanto?
Thank you ed for exposing the carnist cult!
Money is the grandfather of all evil.
Dead channel
That you AGAIN ARRON?? Where's the "project?" Lol
Thanks for the important dedicated and in depth video on subsidies. There was a comment on Be Smart on lab meat that said he/she was eating vegan alternative meat because it was cheaper. Some people just go by price, and even enjoy the added benefit of ethnics. There were comments there that were enthusiastic about lab meat and said they would switch over if it was a equal or cheaper price for ethnics and/or the environment. Be Smart tried the lab meat and said it tasted just like meat. Lab meat is already here.
Informative video! Especially like the section on the reorganization of subsidies.
Wow! What a wonderful video Ed 🥺 Incredibly informative & well researched. Thank you so much 💚
Homemade vegetable soup is good for you
Yes as is chicken soup
Incredible dedication and research, Ed! Thank you for the effort you put into these types of video - it really goes a long way!
Well done. Great video! Thanks for sharing this, Ed.
Hello Ed. Are you going to make a video that goes in depth about lab grown meat in the future? I think that it will be an interesting video. Great video, by the way 👍
This video is GREAT! I learned so much in just 20 minutes.❤❤❤❤❤
This is really why we need to start talking about the metacrisis... it's all systemic and interwoven. The fight for decent food systems is the same fight for participatory governance, for decent public transport, healthcare, education, and for the rights of workers within these systems. And as a huge number of agricultural workers are migrants, poorly paid migrant labour is another hidden cost of cheap food. All the different strands of the fight need to come together. We'll never fight the corrupt system if we're fragmented.
A bag of dried beans is way cheaper than the chicken, lasts way longer, and is much safer.
Thanks Ed, you’re such an inspiring person. 💜
It should be obvious how inefficient animal meat is, but we tend to over look this for our "yummy" taste. Vegan food must become the more available and be the default
@bb9a it needs to be made just as tasty as Doritos. Fortunately for us all, I've been studying.
this has not been proven. it is an assumption
if you stop throwing away unpopular cuts if meat away 1 cow can feed 2 people for a year. or more. the cow population is already into the bills. ergo. we have little need for non cow feeding agriculture. you know. like 80% of it roughly. and yes I already took into account nutrients. cow meat has everything a human needs. *everything*
of course cows eat grass not potatoes and you could out fertilizer towards plant food. if you so wish
@@Mallchad unproven and emotionally based. Go away milk drinker.
@@Mallchad There animal agriculture thing has already been proven over the years by multiple scientist over the planet. Cows don't just convert grass in to meat, they are fed a range of vegetables and grain. Their existence destroyed carbon sinks. The resources it takes for one cow to feed 2 to 3 humans for a year is not good enough, to be sustainable.
Cows technically having everything we need does not make it more sustainable than just food crops. Even if cows were 90% grass-fed, the 10% is already huge and is enough to feed humans with the nutrients they would get from the cows meat. We have to grow crops to feed cows. That's why animal agriculture needs to cut down huge areas of forests and woodlands to grow food for the animals.
The manure is a waste product, its not the basis of fertilisers that is necessary, its a way of waste management. Also we would not require as much fertiliser as we are not as much growing crops to feed those animals.
End of my essay😆
@@bb9a You mean in the same way that plant monocropping is unsustainible? yeah. It's about on the same scale. I don't really think it's fair to say that cows "destroy carbon sinks" because when you look at the actual scale of carbon absorbing life I think over 75% is arne microbial life is responsible for the oxygen production on Earth. Trees barely even factor in here. And anyway do you mean animal agriculture "needs" to cut down woodlands? We're pretty much already at capacity for the livestock needed to feed the world why the heck do we need more? What have such a stupid amount of farmland its not even funny. 50% of all agriculture emissions are suspected to be burning down forests which is illegal activity run with slave labour. I promise you that combined with wildfires, accidents and eqruptions completely swamps legal agriculture of all kinds.
As a side note there's no reason you could not grow more trees if that is a concern. I hear the Saharah was once a canidate tripical rainforest.
No I don't neccecarily agree 10% of grain feed for cows is enough to feed more people than the cow. The bioavailibility of nutrients in meat and dairy is so much higher than grains it makes the nutrients in grains look no better than sawdust. ie, 1% vs 50% absorption rate of iron.... Before you even get into the fact that grains is very very bad for humans and we need nutrients only found in meat to heal properly. It's not "technically" more nutrients, creatine, collegen, cobalamin, retinol does not exist in plants.
I also do believe the statistics for "calories given to a cow per kilo of meat" thing is widlly misrepresented especially if you consider in US and UK 20-35% of cows at any one time may be dairy cows and life 4-6 years where they may make food but no "meat".
I would guess you are not very familiar with farming and nutrition if you don't consider manure important for fertilizer. Plants need a lot of nutrients and anything they're missing will also make its way into the meat or plant food and lead to deffeciency problems in a population.... Industrial fertilizers only come major nutrients not the small ones. Those get lost in waste, human waste, animal waste, plant waste. It *needs* to be recycle or we'll run out of nutrients in topsoil and have major problems. As a side note, more than 40% of waste treatment biosolids is sold as fertlizer, that's how important people think it is
End of spiel :P
I had no idea how tue business side of agriculture operated. Thank you for this information. ❤ i will certainly share with people
Amazing report! Thank you for all you do and your seemingly endless energy and positive vibes.
Well done, Ed! The amount of research and evidence based information presented here is phenomenal!
There is a book written by Dr. T Colin Campbell called "Whole" that exposes these topics from an insideers POV. It's such a corrupt system!
I make my own vegan chicken (washed flour seitan) for a fraction of the price of 'real' chicken.
And just as tasty.
Me too! But I buy in gluten flour. Loads of recipes around online, and can be frozen for later use. I’m a bit old school - been vegetarian for 38 years, so very little convenience food around in my day. I recall all the ‘beyond meat’ etc. coming on the market and being absolutely shocked at where they priced it. Understandable that in a cost of living crisis people subsequently saw meat free foods as an unaffordable luxury… Quorn sausages are still good though - affordable to keep in the freezer when too lazy / disorganised to make sausages at home…!
eh. vital wheat gluten is about the same price as cheap chicken. especially if you factor into account nutrients differences. chicken has more human friendly proteins
I wont lie seitan chicken is really good when done well though and I'd prefer that to some pathetic 5g protein rice slop
@@Mallchad i don't use vital wheat gluten anymore, i wash the flour myself. More time consuming, but A LOT cheaper
Hey Ed. Could you make a video in which you debate ChatGpt about Veganism? I think it would be really interesting
Here in the USA we are on the brink of the food distribution system colapsing.
1lb of cow burger priced at over 35$
People are freaking out.
Being vegan is way way cheaper. Especially if you eat whole foods and not that fake meat like substitutes.
1 lb dry beans is $2.50
5lb rice is 4$
Fresh produce is more expensive.
25 lb of potatoes is $ 23
If you know how to shop with avoiding all the pre made packaged stuff it's not so bad.
And I'm from Washington where prices are
usually higher than other states.
My fiance and I are just two people and we spend about $600 months on groceries.
Please be vegan for the animals 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Absolutely agree
Absolutely no
The Connections (2021) [short documentary] ❤
Yes!!!!
No, i will never be vegan. Ever.
Thank You Ed !!!!!!!!!!!
Run for office Ed. We need people like you in politics
Whatsoever be the reason.... injustice is injustice so #GoVegan ❤
Ban Slaughter
Editor missed "ammount" in the initial graphic, but great vid as always!
I have noticed an overall increase of anti vegan news on my news feed everywhere. Alot of publicity like "why vegan diet is bad for you" "why is vegan diet failing" "why vegan meat is declining in sells"
But notice this, when i go to Tesco etc in center London the sales seem to be doing fine...
Have you researched which political parties or independents support this shift? In the UK, USA and Australia to start maybe?
the entire United Nations is pushing a plant based diet. much to my dismay.
I'm not sure why everybody here seems to think they're fighting a loosing battle. they already managed to convince everybody to impose 80% plant based diet on doctors and cafeterias. don't see any such 80% animal based doctor recommendations and stores