I think that's one I watched last year, but I saw it on a different RUclips channel. it was called The Trans Train, if I remember correctly, and was in 4 parts. If it's that one, it's excellent. Thanks for posting this video too.
People should also be aware of the pharmaceutal agenda here, look at money given from puberty blocking company to UK policitical parties. There is a financial insentive to encourage irreversible changes to childrens bodies during confusing periods like puberty.
Of course trans "women" don't understand why women don't want men in their bathrooms. Seems that it's a different life experience to feel like a woman and to actually be one.
@@mysticheathen3455 every cell of a human body carries the biological sex. That is just how it is. Transwomen are transwomen. That is completely respectable state of being.
They do, that’s the problem…I used to work for a well regarded public institution and you could NOT question the trans agenda there without getting into serious social or professional trouble, it’s such a mess.
Trans ideology aside, I'm so proud of Kathleen Stock. There she was, moments after being profoundly offended and on the edge of tears she stood in front of a hostile crowd and defended offense. She is a hero.
@@turnipsociety706… maybe are you on the autism spectrum? Either way, It might help you to look up what turn of phrase, idioms, metaphors and other styles/manners of speech. It will help you understand other human beings better & might help your social skills.
Dr Gina- no one wants to take away trans rights. We want WOMEN'S rights preserved. We don't want OUR rights taken away, but they have been. We want them back!
There is no such thing as trans rights - they have exactly the same rights as anyone else and SHOULD. Anything outside fo regular human rights is a privilege. They want privileges and we are not willing to give those to them.
@@insidiousmischka problem is that trans people ave been using the correct gender sace for decades and legally so for a decade and the numbers don't show it has had any detrimental effect on women either physically or emotionally. THe number that has risen is the amount of domestic abuse and as during relationships hat happened its almost if that systemic
This is nonsense from beginning to end. The laws re. definition of sex have changed significantly in various parts of the world over the last decade, and so has the ‘trans’ landscape. Further, there are many, many examples of how males identifying into the female sex and our spaces has adversely affected us - ranging from heightened fear and loss of privacy, to loss of opportunity/awards, to sexual assault and murder. Please don’t EVER think you can speak over and for females, especially with these lies which make it clear you’ve done not a modicum of research.
Ah, so referring to women as “chest feeders” and “uterus bearers” and stripping us of our rights to privacy, safety and dignity is fine, but debating the issue of gender ideology is “dehumanizing”. Right. Got it. 👌🏽
Professor stock is a very balanced voice. She absolutely shows people trans or otherwise that we need to be able to listen. Believe me I’m a gay man and I’m 53. And I have heard some of the worst homophobic…transphobic hate over my years. This intellectual well educated lady is far from transphobic.
so much agree with your comment and the need to listen. there is an anchor holding some people back, in regards to being able to listen and its crucial role in this entire debate. there is a necessity to be able to be objective, and not be driven with a great entitled gusto, by personal wounding from past experience.
I have a science PhD so I'm not some 'uneducated provincial' or whatever. I'm a woman because I'm female. That's all there is to it. I don't feel like a woman or a man. But I know I'm a woman because my body is female. My sex is an essential part of my experience as a human not only in society but also the individual, physical experience of being a female human. I will not accept any male in female-only spaces/services because this takes away my rights as a female and that of every other female (52% of the population). I'm not willing to give up my rights as a female.
@@annab704 idk where those weirdos get the notion that it’s a “feeling” at all. And so many people just believe them without questioning it. It’s so incredibly sexist to even describe womanhood as a “feeling” in the first place. These men think that having an interest in stereotypically feminine things means they know what it “feels like” to be a woman. It’s absurd and offensive to all women.
Kass really exemplifies the ideology. All I see a bloke denouncing a woman as a witch. That courageous woman then stands up and makes her learned argument.
But first he lied and played a role to win her trust. To ultimately sell her and her trust for applause. You can see it on his face. Look carefully. He tries, but he can't hide it. He doesn't care about trans people, he only cares about himself and his image. But everything he did was one of the cheapest psychopath tricks. pathetic.
Exactly! A man calling a woman a witch. Typical misogyny!! And rich! I thought a university was a place to share ideas, and to challenge people who have a different opinion to theirs. Why not challenge people as opposed to cancelling them. Its preposterous. Its outrageous. And sad this is what the world has come to. I cant understand people getting all passionate about issues, but debate it. Dont cancel them. And REAL WOMAN, if i can use that term arent allowed to call themselves woman! But a trans woman can. I dont get it.
A rich, white, incredibly privileged MAN at the poshest university in the world, claiming to be oppressed by a middle-aged gay woman who was hounded out of a low-paying academic job. The world has gone nuts.
As a trans guy I don’t claim a fake 3rd gender and I wouldn’t ask anyone to do the same. The identity-obsessed don’t belong under my flag they belong in a therapist’s office🏳️⚧️🇨🇦
What a shockingly spiteful betrayal for Kathleen to be publicly stabbed in the back by that Kaz? person at the Oxford Union and how smug the look he gavd his allies as he sat down. Such a lack of integrity will be noted and remembered by many.
They are vermin. Cowards. Arseholes. Respect for MS STOCK! A man calling a woman a witch. Men telling woman what they can and cant do with their bodies. No uterus. No say. Idiots.
Purleeeeeease that idiot went into that room having already predicted that if he disrespected and snarled at Kathleen, his little friends who haven’t even begun to have a taste of the real world, would clap their hands for him….that was the smugness written all over his face. He brought nothing useful whatsoever to the debate, he’s so unsure of the points he’s making (not that there were any) he read the whole thing word for word off a script. Ah well, give it a few years and he’ll cringe his ass off the way we all do when we’ve made complete tools of ourselves.
I've noticed that the "non-binary" nonsense is overwhelmingly concentrated among privileged, upper-middle class white kids who otherwise wouldn't have a claim to being "special", and (most importantly) wouldn't be able to compete in the "who's most oppressed" Olympics. But claim you're non-binary or "gender fluid" and a spolit, coddled straight white kid becomes an oppressed minority who gets lots of attention.
Kazz showed his true colors with his smug demeanor and weak character - reminded me of a slithering sort of demented non trustworthy type, the sort you can’t count on - doesn’t matter what he calls himself he’ll always be remembered for an act of classlessness and cowardice - brava, beautiful job exemplifying exactly the character of you and your ilk. The community in general very much share the quality of a tempestuous squalling toddler you know, as they are ought to do when not given their way. Narcissistic in the same way as well. These aren’t adults from a mental development pov, perhaps prepubescent teens or pre teens - and that is generous. In terms of having a conversation… you know, were these ideologues not so radical and dogmatic - I mean there is no rational discussion to be had with them - perhaps they’d be better off, although one cannot have meaningful dialogue with someone who refuses to concede reality, may as well try and convince a creationist that man never rode atop t-rex. I feel bostrom’s simulation hypothesis must be correct and it must be that we are in some variation of an ancestor simulation whereby the ones living outside the machine, or rather, our posterity, have disabled certain parameters such as common sense and the ability of a beyond minuscule segment of the population to have such an inordinate outcome on our culture. Madness, utter madness. I am beyond grateful for those who possess the courage, conviction, and character of Professor Stock - she and other rational, decent human beings are slowly yet surely turning the tide of insanity, correcting this unattended list which those of a sane disposition are beginning to right. It ought to have been addressed ages ago and we as a society never ought to have remained silent when people began to value the subjective over objective demonstrable reality. Another group the trans radicals bring to mind - flat earthers… I mean exact same kind of reaction when presented with incontestable factually based reality -
This is what annoys me, trans need to advocate for their own spaces, get those toilets, get those help centres. Women need and deserve their own spaces, etc, and commandeering them because you identify as a woman is wrong and it puts women at risk. Would we allow a man who identifies as a child to take up residence in day care, a kindergarten, playgroups, primary schools, to use their toilets and change rooms. It's preposterous to even consider except, when it comes to women. Their rights are steamrolled in favour of the identified.
@@piiinkDeluxe exactly. They want to use women and girls to validate their “womanhood”. Even at the expense of our safety and our dignity. These are nothing but misogynistic males.
There’s only one side here that’s incapable of rational debate. It’s the side that believes there should be no debate, no questions. The side that relies on circular arguments and contradicts itself.
Exactly. A university is there for intellectual minds debating issues in the world. You go there to learn and increase your minds. This militant aggression is so ridiculous. Challenge the people. Dont glue yourself to a floor and shout out stopping others who want to be there to listen and debate. The philosophy of, I dotn agree. Im offended. Im going to cancel you is counter productive. It means, my opinion counts and yours doesnt. Stopping someone with a different opinion. The irony of it all! And it makes the undecided, become more anti. Not what they should be out to do. Its wrong.
Yea, but they still are wrestling with a difficult truth. They are a big problem, but the other side doesn't have the full story either. We just don't know what the meaning of gender is in the modern world.
The use of the term 'hate' is the most worrying aspect of this. A cursory look at history would put the word 'hate' into better context. Disagreement is not hate.
@@nomoresunforever3695 the meaning of “gender” was clear originally as a feature of grammar. It became confused as a euphemism for sex when applied to people. There’s no “mystery” at all to “gender”. Just look at the history. The solution is to get rid of the word “gender”. There’s only biological sex (the “biological” is superfluous) and sex-based stereotypes. Nothing mysterious about it. The Holy Trinity is also a mystery… because it’s a nonsense concept. I don’t stay up late trying to figure it out.
Kathleen Stock is speaking about defending women’s rights and biological reality. She’s awesome simply for speaking about facts within an environment of the mentally ill. Academia has been captured by children who’ve been tricked and give little consideration to the ideas they hold.
The big corporate & big pharma huge lobbies, with infinite money made loads of youngsters become violent sheep. Please check Jennifer Bilek’s work on where the money comes from. Mind blowing
@Isabella Morin for this staunch progressive. I do not understand how this is like candy in a child's hand for big pharma. One of the lefts enemies and honestly the whole world. Salvating for all those youths wanting hormones and the longevity of thw demand for such hormones.
Conversion therapy is definitely back-- but not in the way these people have been trained to recognise it in the past. There's a new form of conversion therapy-- in fact there a few versions of it underneath the 'trans rights medical treatment pathway'. It's crickets though. Nobody has the guts to call it and discuss it. And frankly, I don't blame 'em. I don't fancy a cup of piss in my face either. That our voices of authority have allowed mentally underdeveloped, immature college kids to rule the roost BY FORCE is utterly shameful. They've colonised every political, cultural and educational institution going. The final straw for me was comedy being totally destroyed. Even laughing has been ruined. The only laughs I really see in our society these days involve ridicule, lampooning, satire and other mean spirited pot-shots at adversaries coming from a shrill tribal culture war paradigm. Has anybody else noticed this? Aside from that, all the censoring and fear of saying the wrong thing has sucked general joy and humour out of most attempts at comedy and laughing. I'm tired of the mean humour. Bolshy, spoiled, enormously indulged hormonal activists telling the world what's what have always been around, every generation. The difference this time around is the violence, the persistence, the overreach and the jaw-dropping way alleged adults have been taken in by this immature truly bad thinking. That's the difference. There's a collective experience of psychosis going on and it's a horror show to watch then realise I'm at the mercy of, unable to escape or click grown adults out of it.
"Heroines" fighting the wrong people since it's not trans people taking away women's rights but religious and political fundamentalists. But I know that it's easier to fight against people who are already marginalized and stigmatized instead of fighting against those in power. Very brave indeed.
@@dasnixblix4846 you are right, it's not the trans people that want to put trans women in women's sporting categories, women's changing rooms, women's bathrooms etc it's trans activists that push for these things, activists who believe equality means taking away from those who 'took from them' first but that's revenge not equality. Inherently, a trans woman will never understand the fear and anxiety biological women feel when having to share intimate spaces with men, it is so innate it's impossible to explain this to a biological man because fellow men don't make them feel that way. Trans women even after being on estrogen are far stronger than average biological woman and I think trans women know this as it is a biological fact. There are also those trans women that enjoy the feeling of making biological women feel scared or anxious to share intimate spaces together.
Ah yes, because "religious and political fundamentalists" are also attempting to co-opt and redefine the very meaning of "'woman", rendering it essentially meaningless. What utter rubbish. By gutting the word "woman" of any meaning, society says to actual biological females: you are nothing
I am a trans woman and I think this is a war on terminologies and refusing to accept we fit a different category within the human spectrum. Trans people are trans people. Trans women are not women. I don’t consider myself as a women, I am trans
It is so frustrating for all of us, as the number of Trans activists is actually quite small. But the most vocal of them have a lot of power and MONEY, which they use to start law suits. Some of these people have very controversial beliefs. Dr Stock gets some criticism because she is happy to use pronouns and call people their new names. I also would do that as a courtesy, but I expect the same courtesy when it comes to calling myself a woman, a mother and so on. I don't identify with the term ciswoman. I am quite old now and was definitely more of an ally when things were how they were 10, 15 years ago before people started aggressively demanding the rest of us jump through hoops.
@@medwayhospitalprotest it is very sad what’s happening and that we cannot come together. Surely the government could take a better lead but the problem is that most government parties are driven by their own beliefs. I think the solution would be to develop spaces for trans people. Trans women should not go to male toilets (that would be ridiculous) and because we are being pushed away from female toilets, then the solution is to have more genderless/accessible toilets. I don’t know what other solution can be, but gender dysphoria is real and it is not pleasant to have this disorder
Very well said. I think it's fine to say trans 'woman' there is a qualifier. As a man I do not like the qualifier 'cis', I'm a man. If the loudest voice in the trans community/activism was yours, there would be broad agreement from everybody. Good luck to you.
I'm gay and I'm soooo relieved that many people who are like me are speaking out against these outrageous issues. The pronoun hysteria, the rabid attempts to control other people's language and thoughts, the involvement of children-all these nonsense has to stop.
I agree with you. I grew up as a gay kid and all I ever wanted was to assimilate into society, not ask society to change for me. Now, as an adult, I am sickened at what these “activists” have done. They desecrated the pride flag, ruined the public imagine of all people that fall into the spectrum they created, and expect people to believe in their delusion or they’re labeled a bigot! Stop the madness!
Channel 4 and their wokewashing is beyond tedious. None of the real issues for women was explored unlike the extremely entitled middle class men. The editing around proff Stock coming to terms with her sexual orientation wasn't missed either. Her and my sexuality demands nothing but to be treated the same way as everyone else and not to be discriminated against in the provision of jobs and services. To the programme maker I'd ask this.... should I as a disabled woman be allowed to requeast female only intimate care and if so do you think its acceptable for the NHS to lie about who is female?
The problem is they wanted more and more and more. It’s not enough for us to just “accept” them. Now they want access to women’s sports, women’s spaces, women’s health care, women’s language, women’s awards, women’s scholarships… there is no end to their wants. The fact is biology matters. I should not have to be exposed to a male body in a female change room. I don’t want little girls exposed to that either. I am not a menstruator, a birthing parent or a chest feeder. I am a woman.
@@L_Martin Good point. That issue affects everyone: women obviously, but also men and transgender. There are many transgender people who know what their biological sex is, and that they can't 'be' something else just by 'identifying' as that thing. It's the irrationality of trans-ideology, and the sinister way it's being promoted by governments, that is causing conflict.
@@marioskublan7273 they pretended to be other side, sat down with her, broke bread with her and when push came to shove they stood up and denounced her in a way that was not representative of who she is. Lying and manipulating is abusive, his intentions were to humiliate her and by her reaction you could see she was very hurt by it, that was his intention all along
They missed a giant part of the story by largely focussing on old fashioned genuinely dysphoric male transsexuals who aren’t actually the cause of the problems (although I know Julie Bindel would disagree). It’s the wholesale redefinition of gender and the concept of self ID that allows a tidal wave of AGP men identifying into being trans for their own sexual purposes that are the heart of this issue. Although perhaps the hilariously pretentious Cass and his chums show the absurdity of the new supposed gender categories.
& the part on the endoctrination of children (thus the social contagion) funded by very powerful lobbies. Jennifer Bilek’s enquiries on the « follow the money » pattern is very enlightening and quite creepy I must say.
Very true. The term “transgender” is now used as an umbrella term to include dysphoric homosexual transsexuals, AGPs, drag queens, and what used to be referred to as fetishistic cross dressers. I don’t know if the majority of people who agree with the trans position actually know that the vast majority of “transwomen” are heterosexual males who retain their male genitalia. The homosexual transsexuals is the minority now. Those were the ones who posed much less of a danger to women and girls. I still don’t agree with them being in women’s spaces, but it’s less unreasonable than what’s going on now.
@@dewilew2137 you sound about my age and yes, most men who transitioned in those days were gay. A drag queen was a gay man who did a particular type of humour, sang a few songs and took it all off at the end of the night. This was usually in a pub or gay bar, for adults, and there was no sexual titilation involved because it was not about that at all. It was comedy. Back in the day men who wore women's clothes as a fetish were called Transvestites. The distinction is actually very important.
The sickest part is that these people want to sacrifice the women who will get attacked and assaulted by these "few bad apples" just to feel better about themselves, just to feel validated. Because without external validation they're nothing.
Katy Jon Want comes across as a very nice person but they've been socialised as male and don't understand the needs of women or the concept of safeguarding. To keep risk low (and also ensure privacy etc) we have to exclude 100% males and that unfortunately includes transwomen.
Women get attacked and assaulted by their husbands/boyfriends by the thousands, daily. I don't think trans women in public bathrooms are the treat you think they are. Most women are MURDERED at home.
This notion that the younger generation is majority in favour of seld ID is a claim that needs to be questioned. I have three teenaged kids and all of them scoff at the trans movement. So do their friends.
@@AF-gd7fh it is a privelidged minority that wants to speak for the world and they think they have moral upper hand 3:31 white person holding Black Trans sign 3:37 white person holding Black Trans sign, these are people using any buzzword to push their agenda.
@@Adulthumanfemale84 can you name single way women are discriminated against in the law, or a single culturally accepted sexist practice? Just one example
The feminists are one of the 2 main groups pushing trans ideology, along with LGBT. They are the woke left. Much of trans gender ideology comes from various feminist gender theories. Gender theories were adopted and adapted by the LGBT movement. Also, feminists have had a controlling voice in media, politics and universities for several decades now, up until around 5 years ago when trans ideology was unleashed. Women in media and politics have been barking demands at society for decades, its only the trans debate where women (and everyone else) are silenced.
@@jumblyman exactly what I thought. They're so incredibly boring and cringey. I did some stuff when I was young and when I remember it I cringe. Imagine being this embarrassing and having to remember it 😂. I have to say all the bearded ladies were very feminine. I just can't take them seriously when they say they "feel" like a man. I've seen feminine men and they were not that feminine.
Cass reminds me of a young Boris Johnson. Not even kidding. Privileged, plum in the mouth, shock of blonde hair, chubby, ridiculous opinions, smug self satisfaction.
@@jumblyman It's not a given that he will ever have to grow up - mommy and daddy have probably made sure he's well taken care of while he bombastically lectures and cancels people who outclass him in every category.
The poise and intelligence with which Stock responds to Kass' hostility made me go out and buy Stock's book immediately. The more her opponents sound like Kass, the better they make her look.
People like Kass make me realize how oppressive and narcissistic many trans-activists are. They demand that everyone view the world exactly like they do, and if not they reserve the right to insult, lie, manipulate, attack and call abhorrent. They have no consideration for anyone else's views, or anyone else's rights but their own. The world is a much better place with reasonable people like Stock and Katy Went in it to counter oppression of the extremes.
"Saying that trans women are women is not like saying grass is green or rain is wet" Perfect... The clue is in the fact that the prefix "trans" is necessary. Imagine someone saying that a plastic flower is a real flower. Sure it's a "real" flower... made of plastic. A real PLASTIC flower. Arguing that the complex biological processes that make up a real flower (its complex interdependence with the environment, with pollinating insects, with other plants, with the soil, with the very air we breath) is just a minor detail is INSANE. The superficial shape of the flower itself is the minor detail. It's the complex interdependent processes that make it a real flower.
You know, plastic surgery is getting to a point that soon there won't be a way to tell who is a trans woman and who isn't. It's already the case with a lot of transman. If it looks like a duck, it's a duck.
@@StLinhvcgo87 Sure, but at that point we're not talking about transgenderism or postgenderism, we're talking about transhumanism and posthumanism. That's a whole different kettle of philosophical fish.
@@judithpetree6329 Well I'll do the next best thing and just give myself a like just for you and I hope you have a lovely day. Beyond that, spread the message. It's a simple one that seems to be unheard of in some social circles.
@@nellkellino-miller7673, yes, there is an all-out war on those of us who still have enough sense and courage to speak the truth and they will not be successful in shutting me up.
Those young people are so naive in their enthusiasm. Not everyone is "nice". Having worked with both victims and perpetrators I am really worried for the safety of women, when "self-identified women" are let into womens spaces. Some people are predatory. Some people are opportunists. Women need safeguards.
I think that the entitlement displayed by Kass when they attempted to derail the debate is something that's deeply ingrained when one is raised as a boy, whether they like it or not. When you're pretty much encouraged to speak up as a rule in a way that girls aren't, you eventually grow accustomed to being listened to and feel entitled to be heard (which isn't in itself a bad thing; I wish more girls could be raised with that confidence). I've ultimately not got anything against people who identify as trans or non-binary, but it sometimes seems like they want to pretend that they're exempt from being guilty of any sexist behaviour and ignore the real dynamics that exist between males and females in our society. And that just isn't how the world works. Social justice warriors used to encourage people to "check their privilege" but it seems a lot of people in the newer movements have let that notion quietly slip away, which is convenient because they seem to mostly be populated by white upper-middle class students.
A lot of young people are entitled in general - a lot of girls are like this now. Standing up for yourself is good, but you need the self awareness to go along with it.
Excellent comment. Spot on. History will not be kind to this time of double speak and thought policing. I support the rights of all people and I refute this ideology that takes pride in #no debate.
I have yet to hear anyone ever explain what rights trans people are denied. It’s just ‘we don’t have rights like you’ without justification. Victim card where there’s no victim.
@@user-vv8bc4ps2k There’s no denial of rights in your nice post and thank you for the reply. NHS is poor service for all, it’s not a trans thing. People die of neglect in the chocked up system. Bullying is endemic also and not an issue solely for trans. King Charles was bullied at school so bad he threaten to have his tormentors killed when he became king. Transphobia is a junk term used for any disagreement of the false ideology and used even when it’s not a personal attack of someone. It’s basically a self straw man manipulation tool of censorship for said ideology. You may want to look at how islamaphobia is used in the same way. Suicide stats don’t agree with your words and I’m against the playing of it by people to manipulate the system to get irreversible ‘treatments’ for their body dysphoria. Many detrans (regret) people still have suicidal tendencies. It’s basically a myth. As for employment I think you only have the trans community to blame. Staff shouting at customers for the crime of misgendering, campaigning at work and being disruptive and even men calling in sick while on their period. I’d personally not deal with someone who had pronoun badges due to misgendering is now essential a hate crime even when it’s done in innocence or ignorance. Transgender people force themselves into the womens changing rooms while still a fully functioning male while denying women in sports a fair chance due to the differences in M and F body function. Most people DO understand but the trans community is misinformed and often violent to get those false narrative across.
@@user-vv8bc4ps2k trans ideology is so messed up lesbians are called transphobic for not wanting to date biological men with full tackle that claim (identify) as female. I incidentally live in Thailand now and here it’s just ‘my name is XXXX and I’m lady on’ and that’s it. No pronouns, no guerrilla tactics they just get in with it.
Dr Stock is the most likeable and sensible academic speaking on this subject . How anyone would interpret her writings and speeches as hateful is beyond comprehension. Trans people are not threatened by women’s rights . Leave girls and women’s rights intact.
Stock is nothing but a right-wing grifter, just like Posie Parker. She's playing you while she gets rich. Notice how her views have become much more right-wing since she was 'cancelled' and became a celebrity? She's gone off the deep end, supporting conversion therapy for children, etc. History will remember her hatefulness. TERF's will never win.
Except for the fact that she's prepared to use 'preferred pronouns'. There's nothing particularly rational about that, given that it involves participating in a charade, one that has already proven dangerous for society generally, and women and children in particular.
Kass Caldecott, the entitled , smug, contemptuous bully, is a perfect example of the kind of misogyny from which women off all ages continue to need protection. What an embarrassment that person is to that person’s school, that person’s family and him or her self. The fact that that person received any applause is utterly appalling and Cambridge university has been besmirched by this lingering hate and contempt
God bless Kathleen Stock! And the other brave British women, Posie Parker, Julie Bindal, JK Rowling, Kiera Bell, the kist goes on, who are defending womens rights across the west!
Don’t use gods name to bless this abomination of women. Kathleen is a lesbian and her sexuality is just as extreme as the people she thinks are extreme. The entire lgbtqia.+ should be abolished and the leaders that protect this species-divided community jailed.
I'm a lot more on board with Kathleen Stock than Posie Parker. Posie seems to go out of her way to piss people off and cause controversy - I think Kathleen just talks sense and is unfairly maligned for it.
I don’t feel like Posie is bent on causing controversy. I think it’s because her view is a lot more hardline than Stock’s. From what I understand, she don’t seem to think there are any contexts at all we might accommodate someone who is trans-identified, whereas Stock at least entertain the idea of legal fictions.
@@wclay Hmmm, maybe. I guess I just don’t really think Posie’s stance is one you can take in good faith in the developed world in 2023. I’m sure she’s acting out in frustration and exasperation but I would say she does more harm than good.
@@swooningtree Stock isn't changing the hearts and minds of millions of people, Kellie-Jay Keen (aka Posie Parker) and especially Matt Walsh are. Walsh's brilliant documentary has had over a 100 million views in less than 24 hours.
I respect her commitment to women's rights and activism. Didn't respect her bragging about what 'a good shop lifter' she was (her words not mine) . Everyone has a past but I personally was very disappointed to see her being proud of being a thief. Appreciate her commitment to violence against women and girls thou.
14:03 Misrepresenting facts. No, Channel 4, “Being transgender” isn’t a protected characteristic under UK law. Having a Gender Recognition Certificate due to the status of undergoing medical ‘transition’ has protection under UK law, ie, a small minority of transsexuals. What does being transgender even mean? Cross dressing, transvestism, drag, fetishist, non-binary, androgenous, gender queer, pan/poly/a-sexual…etc etc; any number of nondescript, self-declared identities come under the ever-widening umbrella of ‘Trans’. Most have zero intention of undergoing ANY medical change.
@@KatyJonWent I must say very much respected your comments and that you read all the literature on the subject. I keep learning and your experience, compassion and statements really resonated. We can only find a fair and compassion way forward by talking and working together (and a bit of alcohol along the way) 👍
@@KatyJonWentI found you to be a very reasonable and fair voice throughout this documentary. It was refreshing to see genuine debate between two differing sides for a change.
Actually stats of the British government on men’s sexual violence exist. Trans identified males have a higher rate of that type of convictions than the men’s inmates population.
@@Adv18 in the study made by Michael Biggs in 2020 in the UK among 125 jailed TW, 60 were convicted for sexual offenses (27 for rape) (BBC News 2018) : that’s a 48% rate. By comparison, the rate for these convictions in the the male prisoners overall population is 19%. 4% for female (Ministry of Justice 2018). More recent stats exist but I can’t find them now. Still they show roughly the same results.
@@umwha these are the autogynephilic « trans ». They are transvestites fantasizing of themselves being women. They are heterosexual transexuals. Among them are the dangerous ones to women & girls. Plus, they pretend to be lesbians 😬
Dr Stock is a very sensible, kind and fair woman. The boy with the long hair who stood up speaking against Stock had up until that point been friendly with stock, chatting, having a drink. He then stood up and blasted her, it was strategic, sneaky, underhanded and rather cruel, a bid to disarm and wobble Stock. Indicative of many trans. righrs activists who, if they had an argument would be able to deliver it without these strategies, without their aggressive, foot stomping, chanting , loud protests. They would be able to argue their side on its own merit but they can't because their argument unlike their opponents, is not rooted in reality and fact.
19:07 Gina Gwenffrew "Its very difficult to talk about women's rights vs trans rights". That is the ENTIRE issue. When any man can say he's a woman that means the category of women doesn't exist. The reason we have women's spaces (toilets, shower rooms, prisons, refuges) is to keep women SEPARATE from men. It's as if they think these men who say they are women pose a lesser threat than any other man. The statistics show they are the same risk, if not a greater risk than any other man. Therefore, trans rights mean the abolition of women's rights.
I feel for your struggles. There is genuine freedom, eternal life, relational peace and unchanging hope for you in Jesus Christ, my friend. I was saved seven years ago today. A former drug addict, God hating, suicidal lover of darkness.
Thank you. I fully support you and your desire to live however makes you feel authentic, happy and whole. There is a lot of toxicity in this debate. I worry that it's regressive.IMO, we don't need Jesus. We need care, understanding and love.
@@GroovyBurrito Hey my friend, a question. What philosophical basis do you have when you presuppose that we should care, love and understand each other? I have that as a Christian who sees others as created in the image of God. If all we are is animals then those seemingly self evident values are void and subjective. You clearly reveal that you know God and assume people are his creatures, with objective value. Our civilisation has rejected Jesus and that is why we are plunged into darkness and chaos. The only hope is people living under the reign of the King Jesus. That is where freedom and wholeness is truly found. And i have no problem pointing people to the only hope that He is. God bless.
I always enjoy hearing the total lack of awareness of these lipstick wearing men who say they don't feel safe with other men, so demand that they men themselves come into women's spaces to make women feel unsafe. Oh the lack of any joined up thinking.
Welp. That was a LOT of hiding behind "trans men" (females). A lot of time wasted hearing from trans men, who precisely no one feels threatened by, and who this debate is not even about, in terms of the safety of women and girls, and our sports, and our spaces, etc. The debate is about males who want access to the above. The documentary did go into this, and that was good, but would have been even better to actually baldly state the facts in terms of how many MEN are currently being housed in women's pri /zons in the West, and give us the actual numbers in terms of types of cri /mes men commit vs. women, and how many of the men currently in the female estate are in there for r*, SA, or vio /,Lent offences that women almost never commit. Males in the women's estate are actually MORE LIKELY to be locked up for committing r* and SA compared to the rest of the male population. What does that tell you? I wish these facts and statistics were more commonly known, and were presented front and centre in this debate every time. I'm also left wondering when, if ever, AGP is ever going to enter the mainstream consciousness. There is massive difference between a same-s* attracted male 20:51 like him, and a straight male who gets a thrill from this. The latter has AGP. This is the specific group that the magnifying glass needs to be put over. This is the group we should be discussing. Not the female "trans men", not the hsts.
I love how after the claims from the "he/him" community activists about the "gender affirming" process actually being a super-duper regulated with all kinds of red tape to prevent people from making terrible and irrevocable mistakes, the documentary just leaves that uncontested-- as if the whisteblowing on the practices of the Tavistock clinic, and it's consequent demise, wasn't a massive scandal in the UK; as if Keira Bell (along with a growing contingent of young detransistioners) doesn't exist-- they didn't even attempt to address any of that. While I appreciate that the dialogue presented in this doc is a massive step up from what we've been subjected to for the last several years with the likes of Stonewall whispering into the ear of the BBC), it seems that now that they desperately want to take this middle-ground approach, which, while I'm receptive to that in regard to many social and poltical issues-- I'm getting really tired of this call of "but both sides! Both sides!", when *one* side is very visibly attempting to use censorship, intimidation and social coercion in order to have their aims met
You are more than a body, whether you know it or not. But not having the body you want isn’t the same thing as being born in the wrong body. That’s like saying you “should have been born rich”.
Then let them change their bodies, let people identify as they wish. Male violence is perpetuated by men, not trans women. Think of how many cis men have been serial killers vs trans women. It’s nowhere near close!
@Marianne Kane - Equipped with Strength kathleen stock literally says men can't be women, which kind of goes against the entire existence of trans people. How do you lot not get that? She acts like biological sex is all that matters, even though when we meet people we don't examine their genitals or chromosomes, we go based on their gender expression
I think the gender identity movement is essentially religious, and religion often gives permission for people to act like assholes and still believe they are doing the lord's work.
transwomen are men and transmen are women--but men and women are human beings and all human beings deserve respect and equal rights. there is no hatred in not believing that sex is mutable or assigned or socially constructed.
The way in which gender ideology activists have behaved and continue to behave towards dr Stock is abhorrent. Even if you don't agree with a single thing she says (which is basically that sex is real and immutable; oh my what a scandalous point of view...), their behaviour can never be acceptable. It's very unlikely, but hopefully there will come a day when they realize this and feel very ashamed of what they've done to her and women in similar positions.
"We are trans and cis together" What the hell is happening? Can you imagine "we are white and black together"? What about "we are boys and girls together"? That song at the end was just twilight zone levels of our woke new secular religion.
This, I was looking for someone to compare all this to religion because it truly has become one for them. It has become their whole identity and basis for morality.
There is no right way to be female or male. Surely we can agree on that? In which case why can they not be satisfied with being a male that likes wearing his hair long etc? Why is it so important they gain access to women’s spaces even when they know this will frighten women?
The amount of times I’ve seen a man dressing like a female saying he’s a woman because he wears dresses and has female friends etc. I was born female and I hate the colour pink, I was always a tomboy and I rarely do the stereotypical female things but I’m still a female. Just as men whose favourite colour is pink is still a man! My boyfriends hair and his best friends hair are both REALLY long. In a clothes shop in my town, they have a unisex open changing room, a female changing room but not a changing room for men themselves which is a bit sexist considered not all men are comfortable with their body! 🙈🙈
As a Cambridge resident, it's truly sickening to see the shame these intellectual nobodies have brought on my home. At least I can sleep in the knowledge they'll be back at home with mummy and daddy within three years. Professor Stock, I respect and applaud you. Thank you for your strength of character and intellect from the true Cambridge. 💪👏👏
I love Kathleen Stock and I am so dreadfully sorry about how she was treated. She is a gentle soul and has not deserved any of it. In fact, there are TERFs who are constantly criticising her for being too nice. Honestly, I don't feel like any needs to be nasty, its really just the case that women need to reiterate their need to be safe and to have single sex spaces. Single sex sports. Single sex prisons. Build the third spaces. I don't want these people not to exist, as they keep insisting. I don't want them dead at all, I don't think women should have to give up their rights in order to placate MEN.
I just don't understand why people just want to hear what they want to hear. It's crystal clear that Kathleen doesn't want to offend anyone. She has her own concerns and she wants to talk and discuss it. the way she was frightened and it's clear in every single second of her short speech is not acceptable. Be rebellion, fight for your rights but don't stop talking and listening, otherwise you would worthless
If there is no box, why can’t a feminine man use mens washroom. Women are victims. And are smaller and more vulnerable. Called non conforming, it’s great. Not sure what bathroom? Fight for acceptance in your own.
It's interesting, isn't it, that in a discussion about the right to say things that might be offensive to others, Kass seemed to want to impose limits on what women can say, lest it might offend him and his cronies, while being blatantly offensive TO women. It's the same old sexist double standard - men can do what they want and women must do what men want - dressed up in new language.
I was deeply moved by the discussions the trans woman & the radical feminist lesbian (sorry I can’t remember their name) had together. It is exactly what we need to get out of this war. This is how grounded & respectful conversations should be held in every circumstances. Violence will never ever solve such issues. And here, the utter violence (words, acts, threats) comes from brainwashed youngsters lobbied by huge & powerful corporate interests. How sad
@@KatyJonWent thank you so much Katy for your peaceful & grounded involvement. We need more people like you to exchange reasonable thoughts and options for the sake of freedom and respect of all of us. You’re very brave and are a great inspiration. Take good care of you 🥰
14:36: “Transmen are men, transwomen are women… if you’re having a problem with that, you’ve got to really question yourself… Do you feel that your views might be considered hatred?” This is the trans activist position in nutshell - here is a proposition for which I am offering absolutely no evidence or support and which you are required to take on faith… and if you disagree, you are hateful. It’s absurd.
I don't think the people of Norwich knew their city council was up to this nonsense. Not if they knew the ramifications of saying any male that claims the right to be in women's provisions can be in them. Any male, no matter his expression, can choose to make up his identity for that moment and whatever purpose he wants to.
That’s not true. I’m a child transitioner, and I was not “groomed” into “transing” or anything I had parents that didn’t accept me and forced me into stuff that was stereotypically male. This was back in the 90s. Saying that there is “no such thing” as a trans child totally invalidates the experience I had. Which is fundamentally why both sides of this debate cannot just discuss, progress and work together. Now we are in this situation where both sides are skeptical with each other. It helps no one and instead puts two marginalised groups against each other. And who is benefitting from it? I’m not personally in support of what these so called “trans activists” are for. I think getting rid of the GRA hurts genuine trans people from medical help. However, saying that trans people don’t exist is exactly the same thing these TRA are doing by saying that all you need is to self ID. If it was that black and white, I would have picked the easier option and had a waaaaaay better experience.
The ones from Cambridge are talking total nonsense and just continued to conflate sex with sex stereotypes (gender/masculinity/femininity). No one has ever said that people fall into either being masculine or feminine, that is total nonsense.
“We set up those spaces not because all men are sexual predators ; but because enough are , women can’t tell who will or will not harm them” Why isn’t this crystal clear!
This identifying as making new generation more gender fluid absurd. Women’s Lib 70s and 80s fought for acceptance of non stereotypical sexist restrictions. Far more supportive of self expression. Needing to be categorised pretentious and absurd regression.
I’ve been thinking this for sometime. It feels like ‘womanhood’, particularly, are being fetishised. It feels like we’re rolling back years of progress on what ‘feminine’ and ‘masculine’ mean (even if we already had a long way to go). It was great to see a trans woman, on the video, who wasn’t dressed up in a dress, heels and make up, as though that’s what womanhood is.
To those trans people who say they just want to live their lives I would highly recommend that they don't scream at people that they are calling for the genocide of all trans people simply because they want to discuss the values and philosophy of gender issues.
The difference is that, if và so called “trans activist” came to give a speech, nobody would try to cancel them. That’s the issue, as far as I can see.
Hm, bit disingenuous to state that the Scottish double rapist transitioned. Nope, he slapped on a silly blonde wig, a pink puffer jacket and matching handbag. There are photos of him like this talking on the phone and you can't miss the bulge in his leggings. He's a very good example of why self ID is nuts. Pun intended!
One of the biggest concerns for me is the increasing use of high levels of illogical and uncontrolled hatred by those who engage with this topic. It won't do. It is simply uncivilised. We have now got the crazy situation where serious and responsible thinkers like Dr Stock have begun to experience levels of ad hominem vitriol, that appears to be in inverse proportion to how measured and calm their commentary has been judged to be... that's bonkers. *We must calm down, please* ! Angry people aren't sensible people - they're full of adrenaline and don't think straight !!
The ONLY important issue regarding transgenderism that people TRULY care about is the way it impacts on the exclusivity of the female domain and on the well-being of children. Anything else about it, you can fill yer boots! Incidentally, why does this issue only seem to involve white middle class people... apart from the delightful Linda Bellos?
Julie Bindel isn’t exactly from the middle classes. Kathleen Stock is right I think that this cause is part of what some of them see as their “hero journey”.
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This documentary about "trans children" from Sweden which I uploaded a while back is also worth watching.
ruclips.net/video/HPNSWjjAzDk/видео.html
I think that's one I watched last year, but I saw it on a different RUclips channel. it was called The Trans Train, if I remember correctly, and was in 4 parts. If it's that one, it's excellent.
Thanks for posting this video too.
@@SandraPenelope1000 no, it's called "Transbarnen" - which is Swedish for Trans Kids.
People should also be aware of the pharmaceutal agenda here, look at money given from puberty blocking company to UK policitical parties. There is a financial insentive to encourage irreversible changes to childrens bodies during confusing periods like puberty.
@@SandraPenelope1000 yeh i watched the trans train, the doctors were so dumb.
That swedish documentary is blocked for me, a Swede, in my own country 😂 fucking SVT = state propaganda machine.
Of course trans "women" don't understand why women don't want men in their bathrooms. Seems that it's a different life experience to feel like a woman and to actually be one.
We understand. The problem is that you are calling trans women, men.
@@mysticheathen3455 because they are.
@@mysticheathen3455 the problem is that humans cannot change sex. Even if they want to.
Get used to it.
@@mysticheathen3455 Do you think women wan't to se THE MALE penis in their locker rooms?
@@mysticheathen3455 every cell of a human body carries the biological sex. That is just how it is. Transwomen are transwomen. That is completely respectable state of being.
If they can’t cope with someone as mild as Kathleen I don’t expect they will get far in the real world.
What do you mean? She looks like a dude, she would be the first to get kicked out of a ladies bathroom!
They do, that’s the problem…I used to work for a well regarded public institution and you could NOT question the trans agenda there without getting into serious social or professional trouble, it’s such a mess.
Trans ideology aside, I'm so proud of Kathleen Stock. There she was, moments after being profoundly offended and on the edge of tears she stood in front of a hostile crowd and defended offense. She is a hero.
why are you proud? did you do anything?
@@turnipsociety706do you understand what being proud of someone means?
@@turnipsociety706… maybe are you on the autism spectrum? Either way, It might help you to look up what turn of phrase, idioms, metaphors and other styles/manners of speech. It will help you understand other human beings better & might help your social skills.
@@turnipsociety706 You idiot....You don't have to DO anything when being proud of another person. !
Kathleen Stock is a calm, stoic leader and I wholeheartedly am on her side.
A leader of butch lesbians?
@karlscher5170 A leader.
Dr Gina- no one wants to take away trans rights. We want WOMEN'S rights preserved. We don't want OUR rights taken away, but they have been. We want them back!
There is no such thing as trans rights - they have exactly the same rights as anyone else and SHOULD. Anything outside fo regular human rights is a privilege. They want privileges and we are not willing to give those to them.
@@insidiousmischka problem is that trans people ave been using the correct gender sace for decades and legally so for a decade and the numbers don't show it has had any detrimental effect on women either physically or emotionally. THe number that has risen is the amount of domestic abuse and as during relationships hat happened its almost if that systemic
This is nonsense from beginning to end. The laws re. definition of sex have changed significantly in various parts of the world over the last decade, and so has the ‘trans’ landscape. Further, there are many, many examples of how males identifying into the female sex and our spaces has adversely affected us - ranging from heightened fear and loss of privacy, to loss of opportunity/awards, to sexual assault and murder. Please don’t EVER think you can speak over and for females, especially with these lies which make it clear you’ve done not a modicum of research.
Which rights have been taken away from you by transwomen?
@@mikiafu the right to single sex spaces and the right to compete only against women in women's sports. Are you seriously asking this question?
Ah, so referring to women as “chest feeders” and “uterus bearers” and stripping us of our rights to privacy, safety and dignity is fine, but debating the issue of gender ideology is “dehumanizing”. Right. Got it. 👌🏽
I prefer period bleeders.
Don’t forget: “-assigned at birth”. 🤢
I particularly hate menstruators 🤢🤮
@@recynd77 and CIS 🤮
@@DorianPaige00 no one asked you though.
Of course trans people "exist", but so does biological reality and sometimes those two things cannot coexist in certain spaces and situations.
There is no such thing as 'transgender'
Take another upvote. We can recognize and feel empathy for trans people but we cannot upend society for their comfort.
Trans is a psychological condition.
Professor stock is a very balanced voice. She absolutely shows people trans or otherwise that we need to be able to listen. Believe me I’m a gay man and I’m 53. And I have heard some of the worst homophobic…transphobic hate over my years. This intellectual well educated lady is far from transphobic.
so much agree with your comment and the need to listen. there is an anchor holding some people back, in regards to being able to listen and its crucial role in this entire debate. there is a necessity to be able to be objective, and not be driven with a great entitled gusto, by personal wounding from past experience.
There is no such thing as 'transgender.'
@@user-ju6ud4go6b it was a good watch actually.
I think your need to get your hearing checked out if you think that is true
@@thecat5957 ?
I have a science PhD so I'm not some 'uneducated provincial' or whatever. I'm a woman because I'm female. That's all there is to it. I don't feel like a woman or a man. But I know I'm a woman because my body is female. My sex is an essential part of my experience as a human not only in society but also the individual, physical experience of being a female human. I will not accept any male in female-only spaces/services because this takes away my rights as a female and that of every other female (52% of the population). I'm not willing to give up my rights as a female.
Never have I ever met a woman named “Bill”
@E Wait till you find out Scia isn't my real name either.
💯 if someone asked what’s it feel like to be a woman I’d say no idea. I’m just female and that’s what I am.
YES!!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@@annab704 idk where those weirdos get the notion that it’s a “feeling” at all. And so many people just believe them without questioning it. It’s so incredibly sexist to even describe womanhood as a “feeling” in the first place. These men think that having an interest in stereotypically feminine things means they know what it “feels like” to be a woman. It’s absurd and offensive to all women.
Kass really exemplifies the ideology. All I see a bloke denouncing a woman as a witch. That courageous woman then stands up and makes her learned argument.
But first he lied and played a role to win her trust. To ultimately sell her and her trust for applause. You can see it on his face. Look carefully. He tries, but he can't hide it. He doesn't care about trans people, he only cares about himself and his image. But everything he did was one of the cheapest psychopath tricks. pathetic.
Exactly! A man calling a woman a witch. Typical misogyny!! And rich! I thought a university was a place to share ideas, and to challenge people who have a different opinion to theirs. Why not challenge people as opposed to cancelling them. Its preposterous. Its outrageous. And sad this is what the world has come to. I cant understand people getting all passionate about issues, but debate it. Dont cancel them. And REAL WOMAN, if i can use that term arent allowed to call themselves woman! But a trans woman can. I dont get it.
He looks like a loser. A tuxedo can’t change that.
Its sociopathic sophistry
A rich, white, incredibly privileged MAN at the poshest university in the world, claiming to be oppressed by a middle-aged gay woman who was hounded out of a low-paying academic job. The world has gone nuts.
I'm a GAY man and I reject this Trans/non-binary movement.
It's time to start separating LGB from TQIA+.
As a trans guy I don’t claim a fake 3rd gender and I wouldn’t ask anyone to do the same. The identity-obsessed don’t belong under my flag they belong in a therapist’s office🏳️⚧️🇨🇦
What a shockingly spiteful betrayal for Kathleen to be publicly stabbed in the back by that Kaz? person at the Oxford Union and how smug the look he gavd his allies as he sat down. Such a lack of integrity will be noted and remembered by many.
Yeh he's a maggot for that
They are vermin. Cowards. Arseholes. Respect for MS STOCK! A man calling a woman a witch. Men telling woman what they can and cant do with their bodies. No uterus. No say. Idiots.
Purleeeeeease that idiot went into that room having already predicted that if he disrespected and snarled at Kathleen, his little friends who haven’t even begun to have a taste of the real world, would clap their hands for him….that was the smugness written all over his face. He brought nothing useful whatsoever to the debate, he’s so unsure of the points he’s making (not that there were any) he read the whole thing word for word off a script. Ah well, give it a few years and he’ll cringe his ass off the way we all do when we’ve made complete tools of ourselves.
I've noticed that the "non-binary" nonsense is overwhelmingly concentrated among privileged, upper-middle class white kids who otherwise wouldn't have a claim to being "special", and (most importantly) wouldn't be able to compete in the "who's most oppressed" Olympics. But claim you're non-binary or "gender fluid" and a spolit, coddled straight white kid becomes an oppressed minority who gets lots of attention.
Kazz showed his true colors with his smug demeanor and weak character - reminded me of a slithering sort of demented non trustworthy type, the sort you can’t count on - doesn’t matter what he calls himself he’ll always be remembered for an act of classlessness and cowardice - brava, beautiful job exemplifying exactly the character of you and your ilk. The community in general very much share the quality of a tempestuous squalling toddler you know, as they are ought to do when not given their way. Narcissistic in the same way as well. These aren’t adults from a mental development pov, perhaps prepubescent teens or pre teens - and that is generous. In terms of having a conversation… you know, were these ideologues not so radical and dogmatic - I mean there is no rational discussion to be had with them - perhaps they’d be better off, although one cannot have meaningful dialogue with someone who refuses to concede reality, may as well try and convince a creationist that man never rode atop t-rex. I feel bostrom’s simulation hypothesis must be correct and it must be that we are in some variation of an ancestor simulation whereby the ones living outside the machine, or rather, our posterity, have disabled certain parameters such as common sense and the ability of a beyond minuscule segment of the population to have such an inordinate outcome on our culture. Madness, utter madness. I am beyond grateful for those who possess the courage, conviction, and character of Professor Stock - she and other rational, decent human beings are slowly yet surely turning the tide of insanity, correcting this unattended list which those of a sane disposition are beginning to right. It ought to have been addressed ages ago and we as a society never ought to have remained silent when people began to value the subjective over objective demonstrable reality. Another group the trans radicals bring to mind - flat earthers… I mean exact same kind of reaction when presented with incontestable factually based reality -
This is what annoys me, trans need to advocate for their own spaces, get those toilets, get those help centres. Women need and deserve their own spaces, etc, and commandeering them because you identify as a woman is wrong and it puts women at risk.
Would we allow a man who identifies as a child to take up residence in day care, a kindergarten, playgroups, primary schools, to use their toilets and change rooms. It's preposterous to even consider except, when it comes to women. Their rights are steamrolled in favour of the identified.
Agree.
But some are already hurt bc a third toilet would indicate hOw tHeY aRe NoT a ReAl WoMaN which they'd call tRaNsExClUsIoN
@@piiinkDeluxe exactly. They want to use women and girls to validate their “womanhood”. Even at the expense of our safety and our dignity. These are nothing but misogynistic males.
That’s a good analogy.
Probably most women would be standing beside them in support of them getting their own spaces.
@@paragoncumulus6636 yeah. Trans toilets, trans sports, trans clothes (eg. Female style fittet for male body and vice versa). Why not!? 🙂
There’s only one side here that’s incapable of rational debate. It’s the side that believes there should be no debate, no questions. The side that relies on circular arguments and contradicts itself.
I've never seen anyone on the radical side debate, they get emotional but never make a point of tangible substance.
Exactly. A university is there for intellectual minds debating issues in the world. You go there to learn and increase your minds. This militant aggression is so ridiculous. Challenge the people. Dont glue yourself to a floor and shout out stopping others who want to be there to listen and debate. The philosophy of, I dotn agree. Im offended. Im going to cancel you is counter productive. It means, my opinion counts and yours doesnt. Stopping someone with a different opinion. The irony of it all! And it makes the undecided, become more anti. Not what they should be out to do. Its wrong.
Yea, but they still are wrestling with a difficult truth. They are a big problem, but the other side doesn't have the full story either. We just don't know what the meaning of gender is in the modern world.
The use of the term 'hate' is the most worrying aspect of this. A cursory look at history would put the word 'hate' into better context. Disagreement is not hate.
@@nomoresunforever3695 the meaning of “gender” was clear originally as a feature of grammar. It became confused as a euphemism for sex when applied to people. There’s no “mystery” at all to “gender”. Just look at the history. The solution is to get rid of the word “gender”. There’s only biological sex (the “biological” is superfluous) and sex-based stereotypes. Nothing mysterious about it. The Holy Trinity is also a mystery… because it’s a nonsense concept. I don’t stay up late trying to figure it out.
Kathleen Stock is speaking about defending women’s rights and biological reality. She’s awesome simply for speaking about facts within an environment of the mentally ill. Academia has been captured by children who’ve been tricked and give little consideration to the ideas they hold.
Mental illness, cowardice, and plain stupidity.
The big corporate & big pharma huge lobbies, with infinite money made loads of youngsters become violent sheep. Please check Jennifer Bilek’s work on where the money comes from. Mind blowing
@Isabella Morin for this staunch progressive. I do not understand how this is like candy in a child's hand for big pharma. One of the lefts enemies and honestly the whole world. Salvating for all those youths wanting hormones and the longevity of thw demand for such hormones.
Conversion therapy is definitely back-- but not in the way these people have been trained to recognise it in the past. There's a new form of conversion therapy-- in fact there a few versions of it underneath the 'trans rights medical treatment pathway'. It's crickets though. Nobody has the guts to call it and discuss it. And frankly, I don't blame 'em. I don't fancy a cup of piss in my face either. That our voices of authority have allowed mentally underdeveloped, immature college kids to rule the roost BY FORCE is utterly shameful. They've colonised every political, cultural and educational institution going. The final straw for me was comedy being totally destroyed. Even laughing has been ruined. The only laughs I really see in our society these days involve ridicule, lampooning, satire and other mean spirited pot-shots at adversaries coming from a shrill tribal culture war paradigm. Has anybody else noticed this? Aside from that, all the censoring and fear of saying the wrong thing has sucked general joy and humour out of most attempts at comedy and laughing. I'm tired of the mean humour. Bolshy, spoiled, enormously indulged hormonal activists telling the world what's what have always been around, every generation. The difference this time around is the violence, the persistence, the overreach and the jaw-dropping way alleged adults have been taken in by this immature truly bad thinking. That's the difference. There's a collective experience of psychosis going on and it's a horror show to watch then realise I'm at the mercy of, unable to escape or click grown adults out of it.
@@Souxie123This is worse than the opioid scandal.
Being a woman is more than a feeling! These women speaking out for women’s rights are heroines.
and cocain3s
"Heroines" fighting the wrong people since it's not trans people taking away women's rights but religious and political fundamentalists. But I know that it's easier to fight against people who are already marginalized and stigmatized instead of fighting against those in power. Very brave indeed.
@@dasnixblix4846 you are right, it's not the trans people that want to put trans women in women's sporting categories, women's changing rooms, women's bathrooms etc it's trans activists that push for these things, activists who believe equality means taking away from those who 'took from them' first but that's revenge not equality. Inherently, a trans woman will never understand the fear and anxiety biological women feel when having to share intimate spaces with men, it is so innate it's impossible to explain this to a biological man because fellow men don't make them feel that way. Trans women even after being on estrogen are far stronger than average biological woman and I think trans women know this as it is a biological fact. There are also those trans women that enjoy the feeling of making biological women feel scared or anxious to share intimate spaces together.
Religion is the reason women don't have separate bathrooms?
Ah yes, because "religious and political fundamentalists" are also attempting to co-opt and redefine the very meaning of "'woman", rendering it essentially meaningless. What utter rubbish. By gutting the word "woman" of any meaning, society says to actual biological females: you are nothing
I am a trans woman and I think this is a war on terminologies and refusing to accept we fit a different category within the human spectrum. Trans people are trans people. Trans women are not women. I don’t consider myself as a women, I am trans
Thank you sweetheart 💓
That’s all that most of these women are saying and they’re being called transphobes for it. Or terfs. It’s so ridiculous.
It is so frustrating for all of us, as the number of Trans activists is actually quite small. But the most vocal of them have a lot of power and MONEY, which they use to start law suits. Some of these people have very controversial beliefs.
Dr Stock gets some criticism because she is happy to use pronouns and call people their new names. I also would do that as a courtesy, but I expect the same courtesy when it comes to calling myself a woman, a mother and so on. I don't identify with the term ciswoman.
I am quite old now and was definitely more of an ally when things were how they were 10, 15 years ago before people started aggressively demanding the rest of us jump through hoops.
@@medwayhospitalprotest it is very sad what’s happening and that we cannot come together. Surely the government could take a better lead but the problem is that most government parties are driven by their own beliefs. I think the solution would be to develop spaces for trans people. Trans women should not go to male toilets (that would be ridiculous) and because we are being pushed away from female toilets, then the solution is to have more genderless/accessible toilets. I don’t know what other solution can be, but gender dysphoria is real and it is not pleasant to have this disorder
Very well said. I think it's fine to say trans 'woman' there is a qualifier. As a man I do not like the qualifier 'cis', I'm a man. If the loudest voice in the trans community/activism was yours, there would be broad agreement from everybody. Good luck to you.
I'm gay and I'm soooo relieved that many people who are like me are speaking out against these outrageous issues. The pronoun hysteria, the rabid attempts to control other people's language and thoughts, the involvement of children-all these nonsense has to stop.
I agree with you. I grew up as a gay kid and all I ever wanted was to assimilate into society, not ask society to change for me. Now, as an adult, I am sickened at what these “activists” have done. They desecrated the pride flag, ruined the public imagine of all people that fall into the spectrum they created, and expect people to believe in their delusion or they’re labeled a bigot! Stop the madness!
I agree with you but I don't think it will (stop).
@@wanderotter4667 Oh really? Aren't people going into fits of violent outbursts simply because they've been called thw wrong pronoun?
@@wanderotter4667 Which part?
Which Kathleen? Cause I haven't seen any outburst from Professor Stock, even after she was insulted
in public.
Channel 4 and their wokewashing is beyond tedious. None of the real issues for women was explored unlike the extremely entitled middle class men. The editing around proff Stock coming to terms with her sexual orientation wasn't missed either. Her and my sexuality demands nothing but to be treated the same way as everyone else and not to be discriminated against in the provision of jobs and services. To the programme maker I'd ask this.... should I as a disabled woman be allowed to requeast female only intimate care and if so do you think its acceptable for the NHS to lie about who is female?
The problem is they wanted more and more and more. It’s not enough for us to just “accept” them. Now they want access to women’s sports, women’s spaces, women’s health care, women’s language, women’s awards, women’s scholarships… there is no end to their wants.
The fact is biology matters. I should not have to be exposed to a male body in a female change room. I don’t want little girls exposed to that either. I am not a menstruator, a birthing parent or a chest feeder. I am a woman.
The aim is to destroy the category distinctions of "man" and "woman". That is the project of "Q /weer Theory"
@@L_Martin Good point. That issue affects everyone: women obviously, but also men and transgender. There are many transgender people who know what their biological sex is, and that they can't 'be' something else just by 'identifying' as that thing. It's the irrationality of trans-ideology, and the sinister way it's being promoted by governments, that is causing conflict.
The same happened with race.
@@chrisbfreelance What are you on about?
@@chrisbfreelance so in your opinion a person can change their race? Bless your heart.
Thank you for making this available to those of us who aren't in the UK 👍
Kass's psychologically violent attack on Prof Stock neatly underlines her point that women need legal protections from abusive men.
Abusive misogynists have free reign these days as long as they target the "right" women
My favourite comment ^
Can women not Psychologically violently attack men?
Also you know your comments are extremely exaggerated. They exercised their right to free speech and they argued their case in a civil manner
@@marioskublan7273 they pretended to be other side, sat down with her, broke bread with her and when push came to shove they stood up and denounced her in a way that was not representative of who she is. Lying and manipulating is abusive, his intentions were to humiliate her and by her reaction you could see she was very hurt by it, that was his intention all along
They missed a giant part of the story by largely focussing on old fashioned genuinely dysphoric male transsexuals who aren’t actually the cause of the problems (although I know Julie Bindel would disagree). It’s the wholesale redefinition of gender and the concept of self ID that allows a tidal wave of AGP men identifying into being trans for their own sexual purposes that are the heart of this issue. Although perhaps the hilariously pretentious Cass and his chums show the absurdity of the new supposed gender categories.
& the part on the endoctrination of children (thus the social contagion) funded by very powerful lobbies.
Jennifer Bilek’s enquiries on the « follow the money » pattern is very enlightening and quite creepy I must say.
The correct term in clinical psychology for an exaggerated sense of anguish is ' mere self report.'
Very true. The term “transgender” is now used as an umbrella term to include dysphoric homosexual transsexuals, AGPs, drag queens, and what used to be referred to as fetishistic cross dressers. I don’t know if the majority of people who agree with the trans position actually know that the vast majority of “transwomen” are heterosexual males who retain their male genitalia. The homosexual transsexuals is the minority now. Those were the ones who posed much less of a danger to women and girls. I still don’t agree with them being in women’s spaces, but it’s less unreasonable than what’s going on now.
Very well said!
@@dewilew2137 you sound about my age and yes, most men who transitioned in those days were gay. A drag queen was a gay man who did a particular type of humour, sang a few songs and took it all off at the end of the night. This was usually in a pub or gay bar, for adults, and there was no sexual titilation involved because it was not about that at all. It was comedy.
Back in the day men who wore women's clothes as a fetish were called Transvestites.
The distinction is actually very important.
The sickest part is that these people want to sacrifice the women who will get attacked and assaulted by these "few bad apples" just to feel better about themselves, just to feel validated. Because without external validation they're nothing.
Yes! That's what's so sick. How can they not understand the demage they are causing by forcing this belief!
Katy Jon Want comes across as a very nice person but they've been socialised as male and don't understand the needs of women or the concept of safeguarding. To keep risk low (and also ensure privacy etc) we have to exclude 100% males and that unfortunately includes transwomen.
Women get attacked and assaulted by their husbands/boyfriends by the thousands, daily. I don't think trans women in public bathrooms are the treat you think they are.
Most women are MURDERED at home.
I think it's beyond alarming that this woman lost her job because of student protests.
we will drive you all out. And no worries. she got a new job in TEXAS. right where she belongs. Good riddance.
@@ScottytheBlueBunny you’ll lose eventually its unavoidable. all fascists lose
Did she quit or was she sacked?
@@sjewitt22 it's my understanding that she was fired as a direct result of the protests...
@@tj-8422 she quit.
Kathleen Stock is a very brave woman - huge respect.
Absolutely! Huge respect. These pathetic terrorist fuckers are idiots.
She looks like a dude though.
This notion that the younger generation is majority in favour of seld ID is a claim that needs to be questioned.
I have three teenaged kids and all of them scoff at the trans movement. So do their friends.
I think it's the privileged youngsters who support this the most.
It might be universities that encourage pro-trans attitude?
@@AF-gd7fh it is a privelidged minority that wants to speak for the world and they think they have moral upper hand 3:31 white person holding Black Trans sign 3:37 white person holding Black Trans sign, these are people using any buzzword to push their agenda.
I have a 12yo who can't stand it, and a 6yo who I had to pull from school as he was being told he was a girl by the other kids.
yeah younger zoomers mostly seem to see through it all. they laugh about their "trans phase" and generally seem over it tbh
Dr Kathleen Stock is one the most impressive and important women’s voices in this new age of misogyny.
Don’t like her
@@Adulthumanfemale84 peak
@@Adulthumanfemale84 can you name single way women are discriminated against in the law, or a single culturally accepted sexist practice? Just one example
@@locky7347 since you didnt specify location: fgm, child marriage, abortion of female babies, rpe, sa, domestic abuse etc etc
The feminists are one of the 2 main groups pushing trans ideology, along with LGBT. They are the woke left. Much of trans gender ideology comes from various feminist gender theories. Gender theories were adopted and adapted by the LGBT movement.
Also, feminists have had a controlling voice in media, politics and universities for several decades now, up until around 5 years ago when trans ideology was unleashed.
Women in media and politics have been barking demands at society for decades, its only the trans debate where women (and everyone else) are silenced.
My heart is breaking for those Cambridge they/them students. How do they endure the oppression they face while putting on a smug little brat face?
Cass makes me laugh, he will be so embarrassed when he grows up 😂
@@jumblymanOr he will remain a walking irritation forever.
@@jumblyman exactly what I thought. They're so incredibly boring and cringey. I did some stuff when I was young and when I remember it I cringe. Imagine being this embarrassing and having to remember it 😂. I have to say all the bearded ladies were very feminine. I just can't take them seriously when they say they "feel" like a man. I've seen feminine men and they were not that feminine.
Cass reminds me of a young Boris Johnson. Not even kidding. Privileged, plum in the mouth, shock of blonde hair, chubby, ridiculous opinions, smug self satisfaction.
@@jumblyman It's not a given that he will ever have to grow up - mommy and daddy have probably made sure he's well taken care of while he bombastically lectures and cancels people who outclass him in every category.
This really doesn't reflect well on Oxbridge students. The level of discussion and reasoning is abysmal, whatever their opinions.
Kathleen Stock is a force.
Thank you GB feminists! Women around the world say thank you!
Feminism is what got you here
@@DrJams No, leftism is what got us here. We should have clamped down on it years ago.
I’m a woman and I don’t thank fanatics
Transphobics are not feminists.
Kathleen is a goddess and we are very proud of her.
Sussex proud!
The poise and intelligence with which Stock responds to Kass' hostility made me go out and buy Stock's book immediately. The more her opponents sound like Kass, the better they make her look.
People like Kass make me realize how oppressive and narcissistic many trans-activists are. They demand that everyone view the world exactly like they do, and if not they reserve the right to insult, lie, manipulate, attack and call abhorrent. They have no consideration for anyone else's views, or anyone else's rights but their own. The world is a much better place with reasonable people like Stock and Katy Went in it to counter oppression of the extremes.
Deepest respect for Kathleen Stock. She is a wise and brave woman ❤ 🙌
She's amazing. So incredibly brave.
Waste of a woman you mean
@thecat5957 When you present your misogynistic, crazy thoughts like this to us normal people, it just makes you sound even more insane.
"Saying that trans women are women is not like saying grass is green or rain is wet"
Perfect... The clue is in the fact that the prefix "trans" is necessary.
Imagine someone saying that a plastic flower is a real flower. Sure it's a "real" flower... made of plastic. A real PLASTIC flower.
Arguing that the complex biological processes that make up a real flower (its complex interdependence with the environment, with pollinating insects, with other plants, with the soil, with the very air we breath) is just a minor detail is INSANE. The superficial shape of the flower itself is the minor detail. It's the complex interdependent processes that make it a real flower.
You know, plastic surgery is getting to a point that soon there won't be a way to tell who is a trans woman and who isn't. It's already the case with a lot of transman. If it looks like a duck, it's a duck.
@@StLinhvcgo87 Sure, but at that point we're not talking about transgenderism or postgenderism, we're talking about transhumanism and posthumanism. That's a whole different kettle of philosophical fish.
I wish I could like your comment more than once.
@@judithpetree6329 Well I'll do the next best thing and just give myself a like just for you and I hope you have a lovely day.
Beyond that, spread the message. It's a simple one that seems to be unheard of in some social circles.
@@nellkellino-miller7673, yes, there is an all-out war on those of us who still have enough sense and courage to speak the truth and they will not be successful in shutting me up.
Those young people are so naive in their enthusiasm. Not everyone is "nice". Having worked with both victims and perpetrators I am really worried for the safety of women, when "self-identified women" are let into womens spaces. Some people are predatory. Some people are opportunists. Women need safeguards.
I think that the entitlement displayed by Kass when they attempted to derail the debate is something that's deeply ingrained when one is raised as a boy, whether they like it or not. When you're pretty much encouraged to speak up as a rule in a way that girls aren't, you eventually grow accustomed to being listened to and feel entitled to be heard (which isn't in itself a bad thing; I wish more girls could be raised with that confidence). I've ultimately not got anything against people who identify as trans or non-binary, but it sometimes seems like they want to pretend that they're exempt from being guilty of any sexist behaviour and ignore the real dynamics that exist between males and females in our society. And that just isn't how the world works. Social justice warriors used to encourage people to "check their privilege" but it seems a lot of people in the newer movements have let that notion quietly slip away, which is convenient because they seem to mostly be populated by white upper-middle class students.
I think there's also just so much entitlement among the young trans, nonbinary etc. People
A lot of young people are entitled in general - a lot of girls are like this now. Standing up for yourself is good, but you need the self awareness to go along with it.
Excellent comment - couldn't agree more.
Excellent comment. Spot on. History will not be kind to this time of double speak and thought policing. I support the rights of all people and I refute this ideology that takes pride in #no debate.
I adore Dr Stock
I have yet to hear anyone ever explain what rights trans people are denied. It’s just ‘we don’t have rights like you’ without justification. Victim card where there’s no victim.
Exactly
The right to do and take whatever they want from whomever they want...and they basically have that already as well.
@@user-vv8bc4ps2k what about psychotherapy for finding out the deep reasons why someone feels this way? Not just to access hormones.
@@user-vv8bc4ps2k There’s no denial of rights in your nice post and thank you for the reply.
NHS is poor service for all, it’s not a trans thing. People die of neglect in the chocked up system.
Bullying is endemic also and not an issue solely for trans. King Charles was bullied at school so bad he threaten to have his tormentors killed when he became king.
Transphobia is a junk term used for any disagreement of the false ideology and used even when it’s not a personal attack of someone. It’s basically a self straw man manipulation tool of censorship for said ideology. You may want to look at how islamaphobia is used in the same way.
Suicide stats don’t agree with your words and I’m against the playing of it by people to manipulate the system to get irreversible ‘treatments’ for their body dysphoria.
Many detrans (regret) people still have suicidal tendencies. It’s basically a myth.
As for employment I think you only have the trans community to blame.
Staff shouting at customers for the crime of misgendering, campaigning at work and being disruptive and even men calling in sick while on their period. I’d personally not deal with someone who had pronoun badges due to misgendering is now essential a hate crime even when it’s done in innocence or ignorance.
Transgender people force themselves into the womens changing rooms while still a fully functioning male while denying women in sports a fair chance due to the differences in M and F body function.
Most people DO understand but the trans community is misinformed and often violent to get those false narrative across.
@@user-vv8bc4ps2k trans ideology is so messed up lesbians are called transphobic for not wanting to date biological men with full tackle that claim (identify) as female.
I incidentally live in Thailand now and here it’s just ‘my name is XXXX and I’m lady on’ and that’s it. No pronouns, no guerrilla tactics they just get in with it.
Dr Stock is the most likeable and sensible academic speaking on this subject . How anyone would interpret her writings and speeches as hateful is beyond comprehension. Trans people are not threatened by women’s rights . Leave girls and women’s rights intact.
Stock is nothing but a right-wing grifter, just like Posie Parker. She's playing you while she gets rich. Notice how her views have become much more right-wing since she was 'cancelled' and became a celebrity? She's gone off the deep end, supporting conversion therapy for children, etc. History will remember her hatefulness. TERF's will never win.
Well. downplay suicide in a population and call trans women big hulking blokes and you might understand why ppl find her disgusting.
Dr. Stock's stance is the same stance of all rational people.
Except for the fact that she's prepared to use 'preferred pronouns'. There's nothing particularly rational about that, given that it involves participating in a charade, one that has already proven dangerous for society generally, and women and children in particular.
@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 that is a really good point.
Correct.
The world is waking up. Thank you Dr. Stock.
@@libertasdemocratiam887 yes, we know. That doesn’t mean that we can’t support and praise ALL WOMEN who are working to turn the tide.
Kass Caldecott, the entitled , smug, contemptuous bully, is a perfect example of the kind of misogyny from which women off all ages continue to need protection. What an embarrassment that person is to that person’s school, that person’s family and him or her self. The fact that that person received any applause is utterly appalling and Cambridge university has been besmirched by this lingering hate and contempt
So true. And given how many great minds have come from Cambridge it is tragedy that such a stupid debate is now being entertained.
God bless Kathleen Stock! And the other brave British women, Posie Parker, Julie Bindal, JK Rowling, Kiera Bell, the kist goes on, who are defending womens rights across the west!
Don’t use gods name to bless this abomination of women. Kathleen is a lesbian and her sexuality is just as extreme as the people she thinks are extreme. The entire lgbtqia.+ should be abolished and the leaders that protect this species-divided community jailed.
I'm a lot more on board with Kathleen Stock than Posie Parker. Posie seems to go out of her way to piss people off and cause controversy - I think Kathleen just talks sense and is unfairly maligned for it.
I don’t feel like Posie is bent on causing controversy. I think it’s because her view is a lot more hardline than Stock’s. From what I understand, she don’t seem to think there are any contexts at all we might accommodate someone who is trans-identified, whereas Stock at least entertain the idea of legal fictions.
@@wclay Hmmm, maybe. I guess I just don’t really think Posie’s stance is one you can take in good faith in the developed world in 2023. I’m sure she’s acting out in frustration and exasperation but I would say she does more harm than good.
@@swooningtree Stock isn't changing the hearts and minds of millions of people, Kellie-Jay Keen (aka Posie Parker) and especially Matt Walsh are. Walsh's brilliant documentary has had over a 100 million views in less than 24 hours.
Julie Bindel has a lifetime of grassroots activism to stand by. Anyone who disrespects that isn't worth talking to.
I respect her commitment to women's rights and activism. Didn't respect her bragging about what 'a good shop lifter' she was (her words not mine) . Everyone has a past but I personally was very disappointed to see her being proud of being a thief. Appreciate her commitment to violence against women and girls thou.
14:03 Misrepresenting facts. No, Channel 4, “Being transgender” isn’t a protected characteristic under UK law. Having a Gender Recognition Certificate due to the status of undergoing medical ‘transition’ has protection under UK law, ie, a small minority of transsexuals. What does being transgender even mean? Cross dressing, transvestism, drag, fetishist, non-binary, androgenous, gender queer, pan/poly/a-sexual…etc etc; any number of nondescript, self-declared identities come under the ever-widening umbrella of ‘Trans’. Most have zero intention of undergoing ANY medical change.
I've a lot of respect for Julie despite our differences
@@KatyJonWent I must say very much respected your comments and that you read all the literature on the subject. I keep learning and your experience, compassion and statements really resonated. We can only find a fair and compassion way forward by talking and working together (and a bit of alcohol along the way) 👍
@@KatyJonWentI found you to be a very reasonable and fair voice throughout this documentary. It was refreshing to see genuine debate between two differing sides for a change.
Thank you so much for uploading this!!! I tried to watch on Channel 4 using VPN, but to no avail. Thank you so, so much❤
Actually stats of the British government on men’s sexual violence exist. Trans identified males have a higher rate of that type of convictions than the men’s inmates population.
And most trans identified males are attracted to females
Where’s the sources for this? I’m interested in reading this
That’s a lie. Also saying trans identified males is an insult. The correct term is transgender women
@@Adv18 in the study made by Michael Biggs in 2020 in the UK among 125 jailed TW, 60 were convicted for sexual offenses (27 for rape) (BBC News 2018) : that’s a 48% rate.
By comparison, the rate for these convictions in the the male prisoners overall population is 19%. 4% for female (Ministry of Justice 2018).
More recent stats exist but I can’t find them now. Still they show roughly the same results.
@@umwha these are the autogynephilic « trans ». They are transvestites fantasizing of themselves being women. They are heterosexual transexuals. Among them are the dangerous ones to women & girls. Plus, they pretend to be lesbians 😬
Dr Stock is a very sensible, kind and fair woman.
The boy with the long hair who stood up speaking against Stock had up until that point been friendly with stock, chatting, having a drink. He then stood up and blasted her, it was strategic, sneaky, underhanded and rather cruel, a bid to disarm and wobble Stock. Indicative of many trans. righrs activists who, if they had an argument would be able to deliver it without these strategies, without their aggressive, foot stomping, chanting , loud protests. They would be able to argue their side on its own merit but they can't because their argument unlike their opponents, is not rooted in reality and fact.
19:07 Gina Gwenffrew "Its very difficult to talk about women's rights vs trans rights". That is the ENTIRE issue. When any man can say he's a woman that means the category of women doesn't exist. The reason we have women's spaces (toilets, shower rooms, prisons, refuges) is to keep women SEPARATE from men. It's as if they think these men who say they are women pose a lesser threat than any other man. The statistics show they are the same risk, if not a greater risk than any other man. Therefore, trans rights mean the abolition of women's rights.
@@jenniferthacker4055 committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/
I'm trans and I agree with the philosopher it's gone too far.
I feel for your struggles. There is genuine freedom, eternal life, relational peace and unchanging hope for you in Jesus Christ, my friend. I was saved seven years ago today. A former drug addict, God hating, suicidal lover of darkness.
Thank you. I fully support you and your desire to live however makes you feel authentic, happy and whole. There is a lot of toxicity in this debate. I worry that it's regressive.IMO, we don't need Jesus. We need care, understanding and love.
YWNBAW
@@GroovyBurrito Hey my friend, a question.
What philosophical basis do you have when you presuppose that we should care, love and understand each other? I have that as a Christian who sees others as created in the image of God. If all we are is animals then those seemingly self evident values are void and subjective. You clearly reveal that you know God and assume people are his creatures, with objective value.
Our civilisation has rejected Jesus and that is why we are plunged into darkness and chaos. The only hope is people living under the reign of the King Jesus. That is where freedom and wholeness is truly found. And i have no problem pointing people to the only hope that He is.
God bless.
I always enjoy hearing the total lack of awareness of these lipstick wearing men who say they don't feel safe with other men, so demand that they men themselves come into women's spaces to make women feel unsafe. Oh the lack of any joined up thinking.
Exactly. Using the slight of hand by 'not identifying as male' is self aggrandisement.
Welp. That was a LOT of hiding behind "trans men" (females). A lot of time wasted hearing from trans men, who precisely no one feels threatened by, and who this debate is not even about, in terms of the safety of women and girls, and our sports, and our spaces, etc.
The debate is about males who want access to the above. The documentary did go into this, and that was good, but would have been even better to actually baldly state the facts in terms of how many MEN are currently being housed in women's pri /zons in the West, and give us the actual numbers in terms of types of cri /mes men commit vs. women, and how many of the men currently in the female estate are in there for r*, SA, or vio /,Lent offences that women almost never commit.
Males in the women's estate are actually MORE LIKELY to be locked up for committing r* and SA compared to the rest of the male population. What does that tell you? I wish these facts and statistics were more commonly known, and were presented front and centre in this debate every time.
I'm also left wondering when, if ever, AGP is ever going to enter the mainstream consciousness. There is massive difference between a same-s* attracted male 20:51 like him, and a straight male who gets a thrill from this. The latter has AGP. This is the specific group that the magnifying glass needs to be put over. This is the group we should be discussing. Not the female "trans men", not the hsts.
Men don't want feminists in their spaces. It's awkward and they don't want to be accused of anything
I love how after the claims from the "he/him" community activists about the "gender affirming" process actually being a super-duper regulated with all kinds of red tape to prevent people from making terrible and irrevocable mistakes, the documentary just leaves that uncontested-- as if the whisteblowing on the practices of the Tavistock clinic, and it's consequent demise, wasn't a massive scandal in the UK; as if Keira Bell (along with a growing contingent of young detransistioners) doesn't exist-- they didn't even attempt to address any of that. While I appreciate that the dialogue presented in this doc is a massive step up from what we've been subjected to for the last several years with the likes of Stonewall whispering into the ear of the BBC), it seems that now that they desperately want to take this middle-ground approach, which, while I'm receptive to that in regard to many social and poltical issues-- I'm getting really tired of this call of "but both sides! Both sides!", when *one* side is very visibly attempting to use censorship, intimidation and social coercion in order to have their aims met
We don't HAVE bodies, we ARE bodies. No one is born in the wrong body.
You are more than a body, whether you know it or not. But not having the body you want isn’t the same thing as being born in the wrong body. That’s like saying you “should have been born rich”.
Then let them change their bodies, let people identify as they wish. Male violence is perpetuated by men, not trans women. Think of how many cis men have been serial killers vs trans women. It’s nowhere near close!
The entitlement of Kass to take over the debate in that way. He even admits it was outside of the rules of the debate
Pretentious gt
classic male behavior
Using shame and gaslighting to silence others...
It’s not the trans issue, its the outrageous behaviour. If you want respect, give it.
0.50 seconds in "...when I know the meaning she has behind them".
I didn't know being psychic was a trans power.
Right? Projection as usual. Just because they speak in codes and euphemisms means of course everyone does 🤦♀️
Ed Balls thinks he can read other people’s minds.
@Marianne Kane - Equipped with Strength kathleen stock literally says men can't be women, which kind of goes against the entire existence of trans people. How do you lot not get that? She acts like biological sex is all that matters, even though when we meet people we don't examine their genitals or chromosomes, we go based on their gender expression
I think the gender identity movement is essentially religious, and religion often gives permission for people to act like assholes and still believe they are doing the lord's work.
transwomen are men and transmen are women--but men and women are human beings and all human beings deserve respect and equal rights. there is no hatred in not believing that sex is mutable or assigned or socially constructed.
The way in which gender ideology activists have behaved and continue to behave towards dr Stock is abhorrent. Even if you don't agree with a single thing she says (which is basically that sex is real and immutable; oh my what a scandalous point of view...), their behaviour can never be acceptable. It's very unlikely, but hopefully there will come a day when they realize this and feel very ashamed of what they've done to her and women in similar positions.
"We are trans and cis together"
What the hell is happening? Can you imagine "we are white and black together"? What about "we are boys and girls together"?
That song at the end was just twilight zone levels of our woke new secular religion.
Exactly. A church hymn, musically arranged as such. Truly creeped me out.
It was used at Harvey Milk’s funeral with the words “We are gay & straight together”
Typical of the T&Q to appropriate something from LGB culture.
This, I was looking for someone to compare all this to religion because it truly has become one for them. It has become their whole identity and basis for morality.
Thanks for uploading this. All admiration to Stock. She's a hero.
Lol. This butch lesbian TERF is gonna save your day?
@@ScottytheBlueBunny your misogyny is ugly
His attacks on Kathleen Stock show his lack of critical thinking and is a damning indictment on his character.
There is no right way to be female or male. Surely we can agree on that? In which case why can they not be satisfied with being a male that likes wearing his hair long etc? Why is it so important they gain access to women’s spaces even when they know this will frighten women?
Helcatt: It's part of the fun, the challenge and the perversion for those who are in it for the thrills (ie., mostly the straight men)
The amount of times I’ve seen a man dressing like a female saying he’s a woman because he wears dresses and has female friends etc. I was born female and I hate the colour pink, I was always a tomboy and I rarely do the stereotypical female things but I’m still a female. Just as men whose favourite colour is pink is still a man! My boyfriends hair and his best friends hair are both REALLY long. In a clothes shop in my town, they have a unisex open changing room, a female changing room but not a changing room for men themselves which is a bit sexist considered not all men are comfortable with their body! 🙈🙈
As a Cambridge resident, it's truly sickening to see the shame these intellectual nobodies have brought on my home. At least I can sleep in the knowledge they'll be back at home with mummy and daddy within three years. Professor Stock, I respect and applaud you. Thank you for your strength of character and intellect from the true Cambridge. 💪👏👏
These self righteous privileged twits are laughable!
I love Kathleen Stock and I am so dreadfully sorry about how she was treated. She is a gentle soul and has not deserved any of it. In fact, there are TERFs who are constantly criticising her for being too nice. Honestly, I don't feel like any needs to be nasty, its really just the case that women need to reiterate their need to be safe and to have single sex spaces. Single sex sports. Single sex prisons. Build the third spaces. I don't want these people not to exist, as they keep insisting. I don't want them dead at all, I don't think women should have to give up their rights in order to placate MEN.
This documentary tries to de-escalate the current toxic debate, and I like that very much.
Yes, it tries to have a happy ending but unfortunately I don't think there will be one in reality for many years.
@@medwayhospitalprotest just dont ever do anything nice for a crazy person
Kathleen Stock is a voice of reason in a sea of entitled, insane rich kids.
Well said
And self-centred rich kids
Is Kathleen Stock a woman?
@@SuperKripke are you blind and deaf?
@@SuperKripke Of course she is. A married lesbian with a very young daughter.
I just don't understand why people just want to hear what they want to hear. It's crystal clear that Kathleen doesn't want to offend anyone. She has her own concerns and she wants to talk and discuss it. the way she was frightened and it's clear in every single second of her short speech is not acceptable. Be rebellion, fight for your rights but don't stop talking and listening, otherwise you would worthless
If there is no box, why can’t a feminine man use mens washroom. Women are victims. And are smaller and more vulnerable. Called non conforming, it’s great. Not sure what bathroom? Fight for acceptance in your own.
right? Why aren't these trans-identified men demanding to be accepted into MEN'S spaces?
I was really offended by Kass’ inability to debate.
It's interesting, isn't it, that in a discussion about the right to say things that might be offensive to others, Kass seemed to want to impose limits on what women can say, lest it might offend him and his cronies, while being blatantly offensive TO women. It's the same old sexist double standard - men can do what they want and women must do what men want - dressed up in new language.
@@sarahblaquiere3121 Exactly it’s just a new form of misogyny.
The delight and euphoria in Kaz face as he verbally abused Dr Kathleen Stock tells me everything.
Yes an insecure man, telling woman what to do. And calling this woman a witch. Misogyny or what!?
@@giuseppemariocescutti-fitz5835 Spot on.
Entitled brat who never had to endure anything in his whole life.
Exactly. They make me sick.
I was deeply moved by the discussions the trans woman & the radical feminist lesbian (sorry I can’t remember their name) had together. It is exactly what we need to get out of this war.
This is how grounded & respectful conversations should be held in every circumstances.
Violence will never ever solve such issues.
And here, the utter violence (words, acts, threats) comes from brainwashed youngsters lobbied by huge & powerful corporate interests.
How sad
Linda Bellos ♥ amazing woman.
Linda and I have been friends about 15 years
@@KatyJonWent I only met her a couple of times and she was just delightful ❤ a total inspirational woman
@@KatyJonWent thank you so much Katy for your peaceful & grounded involvement.
We need more people like you to exchange reasonable thoughts and options for the sake of freedom and respect of all of us.
You’re very brave and are a great inspiration.
Take good care of you 🥰
Good grief these Transactivists are absurd. How is so little consideration or respect due to ♀️
14:36: “Transmen are men, transwomen are women… if you’re having a problem with that, you’ve got to really question yourself… Do you feel that your views might be considered hatred?” This is the trans activist position in nutshell - here is a proposition for which I am offering absolutely no evidence or support and which you are required to take on faith… and if you disagree, you are hateful.
It’s absurd.
Kathleen Stock is truly amazing. To see what she faces and yet keeps going.
"Many people can go through life without thinking about their gender at all"
Indeed 😂.
Yesterday I signed up for a new internet package since I moved and he asked do I go by miss, ms or mrs. No gender questions! It was so nice 😅
I don't think the people of Norwich knew their city council was up to this nonsense. Not if they knew the ramifications of saying any male that claims the right to be in women's provisions can be in them. Any male, no matter his expression, can choose to make up his identity for that moment and whatever purpose he wants to.
Oh some of us know & are not happy.
Kathleen Stock is a sane, brilliant, and incredible woman and I commend her for having the courage to speak up against this literal insanity.
Thank you for posting for those of us outsde the uk!
It's disgraceful that a woman of her intellect should be subjected to the malicious and ignorant judgement of spiteful little brats
Shout out to Kathleen Stock and Julie Bindel, great brave women, thanks for doing what you do!
Well done Ms Stock.
Keep up the good work
There is no such thing as a child wanting to be trans. They groom their young easily influential minds into believing a lie.
That’s not true. I’m a child transitioner, and I was not “groomed” into “transing” or anything I had parents that didn’t accept me and forced me into stuff that was stereotypically male. This was back in the 90s.
Saying that there is “no such thing” as a trans child totally invalidates the experience I had. Which is fundamentally why both sides of this debate cannot just discuss, progress and work together.
Now we are in this situation where both sides are skeptical with each other. It helps no one and instead puts two marginalised groups against each other.
And who is benefitting from it?
I’m not personally in support of what these so called “trans activists” are for. I think getting rid of the GRA hurts genuine trans people from medical help. However, saying that trans people don’t exist is exactly the same thing these TRA are doing by saying that all you need is to self ID.
If it was that black and white, I would have picked the easier option and had a waaaaaay better experience.
The ones from Cambridge are talking total nonsense and just continued to conflate sex with sex stereotypes (gender/masculinity/femininity). No one has ever said that people fall into either being masculine or feminine, that is total nonsense.
Also for me I think we had already solved those sort of issues. Oddly trans activist have more limitations attached to them than I ever did.
Kathleen Stock speaks for me!
Kathleen and Julie. Thankyou and sorry for the attacks. ♀️ standing up for ♀️s get a far rougher time than males questioning Transactivism.
“We set up those spaces not because all men are sexual predators ; but because enough are , women can’t tell who will or will not harm them”
Why isn’t this crystal clear!
This identifying as making new generation more gender fluid absurd. Women’s Lib 70s and 80s fought for acceptance of non stereotypical sexist restrictions. Far more supportive of self expression. Needing to be categorised pretentious and absurd regression.
I’ve been thinking this for sometime. It feels like ‘womanhood’, particularly, are being fetishised. It feels like we’re rolling back years of progress on what ‘feminine’ and ‘masculine’ mean (even if we already had a long way to go). It was great to see a trans woman, on the video, who wasn’t dressed up in a dress, heels and make up, as though that’s what womanhood is.
If someone is suicidal , they need mental health support not surgery.
To those trans people who say they just want to live their lives I would highly recommend that they don't scream at people that they are calling for the genocide of all trans people simply because they want to discuss the values and philosophy of gender issues.
Women are the ones who have so much to lose. Again. :(
Can we stop calling us Cis- we are not having an identity crisis and know what we are - we don’t have the issue so we are just- man or just - woman
The difference is that, if và so called “trans activist” came to give a speech, nobody would try to cancel them. That’s the issue, as far as I can see.
Kathleen is a hero
28:05 “I’m slipping under the radar” sir, that’s the manliest voice I’ve ever heard
Hm, bit disingenuous to state that the Scottish double rapist transitioned. Nope, he slapped on a silly blonde wig, a pink puffer jacket and matching handbag. There are photos of him like this talking on the phone and you can't miss the bulge in his leggings. He's a very good example of why self ID is nuts. Pun intended!
One of the biggest concerns for me is the increasing use of high levels of illogical and uncontrolled hatred by those who engage with this topic. It won't do. It is simply uncivilised. We have now got the crazy situation where serious and responsible thinkers like Dr Stock have begun to experience levels of ad hominem vitriol, that appears to be in inverse proportion to how measured and calm their commentary has been judged to be... that's bonkers. *We must calm down, please* ! Angry people aren't sensible people - they're full of adrenaline and don't think straight !!
I'm astounded at how manipulative they are! "Oh you don't agree with me? That's hate!" Yeah, right.
The ONLY important issue regarding transgenderism that people TRULY care about is the way it impacts on the exclusivity of the female domain and on the well-being of children. Anything else about it, you can fill yer boots!
Incidentally, why does this issue only seem to involve white middle class people... apart from the delightful Linda Bellos?
Normal people don't have the privilege to claim they're actually from another class of people and expect strangers to believe it.
Julie Bindel isn’t exactly from the middle classes.
Kathleen Stock is right I think that this cause is part of what some of them see as their “hero journey”.